The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day.
This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
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Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
It appears that most of the explosive sentiments revolve around H1B visas in the tech sector issued to Indian workers specifically. Apparently, the friendships, networks and teams attached to the sector of computer engineering carry with them an emotional component. I guess that should not be a surprise considering this is essentially a peer-to-peer wagon circling, in defense of the H1B visa problems in the tech sector.
As said before, it always appeared the MAGA alignment with Silicon Valley would not be an issue until the interests of the billionaire tech team came into conflict with the MAGA base. I did not anticipate the fracture being so fast, nor did I anticipate immigration would be the trigger. However, H1B visa issuance is apparently a key part of the Silicon Valley business model.
That said, several pragmatic aspects of the discussion are now being lost amid a very toxic shouting match that has begun. President Trump and JD Vance are, perhaps understandably, staying very quiet at the moment. However, that silence is soon to be impossible as both sides of a very divisive issue are going to eventually demand President Trump to weigh in.
I will try to cut through some of the toxic noise so that we can discuss the larger issues.
Theo Wold provides some context:
“I led the drafting of legislation in the Trump ‘45 White House to create a new legal immigration framework. I saw firsthand what happens when ANY visa reform is proposed: executives from the biggest multinationals and lobbyists from all kinds of industries are banging on the door, demanding to keep what they have.
What they have is a tangled morass of visa classes that are carve-outs, handouts, and special favors to particular industries, bought and paid for through decades of lobbying feckless members of Congress and presidential administrations. Industries lobby for the foreign workers they claim to “need,” and then they get a visa class carve-out, which they protect (and seek to expand) at all costs.
And there are enormous costs for our nation – costs that fall on the American worker with devastating consequences. The statistics bear that out: job gains go to foreign-born workers while American workers post net job losses.
I also know this firsthand because I grew up a working-class kid, watching my father (and by extension, our family) suffer from unfair foreign labor competition.
For too long, Americans have been largely unaware of the source of these problems because the policies are designed to be too complicated and are made largely invisible to public scrutiny. I’m glad the right is having an open debate about legal immigration. It is past time.
To be clear, the difference between O1Bs and H1Bs matters in this debate, for example, because these visas are intended to accomplish very different goals and are entirely different in scale, BUT both visa classes are rife with abuse. (Plenty of Reggaeton stars and anti-American athletes enter the U.S. on O-1 visas.) Essentially ALL visa classes are abused. Again, that’s because these things exist to serve special interests on one side of the labor market (and it’s not the side of the American worker).
The debate can’t be confined to a single industry – it’s about Big Tech, Big Ag, tourism and hospitality, transportation (airlines, trucking), the media & sports entertainment complex (yes, the NFL and MLB have their own special visa classes and their own special treatment by DHS and State) and many many others. They all want special visas to import cheap and convenient foreign labor. Even the roofing industry is now seeking its own special visa class. And all of these special classes get expanded over time, allowing the American worker to be flooded with foreign competitors for no reason other than labor savings for employers.
I, like many Americans, voted for a sealed border and an immigration moratorium. Americans need to retake control of our immigration system — how many are coming in, for what reasons, and for how long. One question absent from our current system: how does this individual immigrant benefit the American nation and her people? No more blanket exemptions or economic rationales. Immigration is a regime-based question, as both Hamilton and Jefferson wrote on extensively, and our system should reflect that Americans must also demand meaningful investment in assimilation and integration requirements for legal immigrants here already.’ (Source)
Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it. Within the tech industry the use of H1B is positioned as vital for their success.
As can be noted by the extreme position on the pro-H1B side of the discussion, they view this debate as a zero-sum contest. The position of Musk and the Silicon Valley tech group is that if the H1B process is stopped, American technological advancements will immediately cease to exist.
When it is pointed out that Silicon Valley discriminates against white Americans with engineering degrees and or skills, Silicon Valley shouts back the same arguments as the DEI promoters Musk claims to abhor. Musk and the tech group immediately use the Alinsky attack method (isolate, ridicule, marginalize) against anyone who speaks forcefully against their interests. The Musk allies and influencers then pile on. It is something remarkable to watch happen.
Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse. The decision by the Silicon Valley network to dismiss this problem because they want to sustain their current business operations is not going to end well unless some cooler heads immediately intercede.
Nicole Shanahan, Robert F Kennedy’s former running mate – and also a Silicon Valley network influencer, puts it this way:
“Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.
Here’s why:
To keep pace with global competitors like China and India, we need Americans ready to tackle the challenging jobs in these fields. We have them, but often our STEM grads turn their noses up at these entry-level, low-paying coding positions after investing in a costly education.
So why are immigrants from India, China, and elsewhere so eager for these jobs? It’s not because they’re glamorous or because these roles don’t exist back home. And definitely not because they offer high salaries. There’s something else driving this…
The undeniable proof that the United States is the single greatest nation on earth is that people from every corner of the globe dream of coming here—not to China or India—but America.
I take issue with some of the discourse I’ve read online today suggesting “lazy American culture” is the main driver for why we need to continue the H-1B program. Let’s be real: tech companies getting massive breaks on cheap labor at the expense of the American way of life is predatory.
Blaming our culture for why American STEM grads won’t take underpaying jobs is ridiculous and insulting.
The system we’ve constructed with H-1B visas, whether we like it or not, incentivizes people to come here and serve as essentially indentured servants for Big Tech, taking on the tough, grueling jobs that few here in America are excited to perform at the current suppressed salaries.
In return, if you’re good at your job, you’re then put on a fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.
I’m reminded of this famous line by our second President, John Adams: “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
Just because our kids have the “right” to chase artistic dreams like music and painting, doesn’t mean we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to displace them in math-intensive careers. It’s a two-fold issue: both our education and immigration policies are broken. Instead of tackling these complex issues head-on, Big Tech monopolies and tech VCs are looking for the fastest way to outcompete globally and become industry giants. It’s paid off—look at the insane valuations of these companies!
We can’t entirely blame them for this approach—it’s been the industry norm for 40 years—but we can insist they seek out the tough, lasting solutions. No more temporary fixes.
I was asked if teaching American kids coding from a younger age would make them want these coding jobs. My response? No, it won’t. These jobs aren’t fun, people.
But, do I think removing the incentive of attaining legal status would reduce the volume of foreign applicants? Absolutely.
And, guess what? That might finally force Big Tech to look for workers right here at home (and pay them a competitive wage). Americans expect fair pay, which means these companies would have to start sharing their wealth rather than hoarding it.
Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness—we shouldn’t keep rewarding an industry that has curtailed free speech and American values. After Trump’s recent victory, the everyday worker feels empowered like never before. They won’t surrender that power, and frankly, it’s not right to imply they should.
There are numerous ways to improve our immigration system while safeguarding the American labor force (and I say “force” because it truly is capable, creative, and powerful).
Here are two straightforward steps to start the process:
1. Immigration policy must be designed to protect the American way of life and its workforce. Singapore’s work permit program, which they designed in the ’90s, was built from this standard and could provide good inspiration. They use a modern-day designation system to manage the influx of labor across various sectors.
⁃ Employers face levies (essentially fees that employers have to pay for each foreign worker they hire. It’s a way to manage the number of foreign workers coming in by making it more expensive to employ them, encouraging companies to also look for talent locally).
⁃ There are Dependency Ceilings, which essentially limit the number of foreign workers based on the local workforce—this is KEY.
⁃ They impose restrictions on the countries from which workers can come.
⁃ Permits are diversified across industries to ensure balance.
2. Special economic zones are amazing and can transform local tech job markets. Hiring locally is going to be critical for making sure Americans are taking key tech industry roles AND able to support their families.
If we really want to lift America to heights unseen in generations—not just talk about it, but actually do it—then we can’t continue to stick to outdated strategies that have harmed Americans. We owe it to ourselves and our communities to aim higher and do better.” (source)
As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.
In essence, the Silicon Valley network represented by Elon Musk team, does not connect in the same way to the important priorities of middle America. The technocrats are, well, Technocrats.
Watching this debate unfold is quite remarkable.


Obamacare, SS, and other federal add on’s make American workers more expensive.
I had a wonderful company making lots of money. My wife worked with me for years as our company grew.
I got chronically ill and my wife specifically went out and got a job that had the best healthcare insurance.
Not more than a half year later Obamacare was passed and no matter what anyone says nothing was better.
This is the elephant in the room. More people are touching the medical funds that are meant for our health
but less care is being provided.
Think of Obamacare as Sundance thinks about the federal government.
Everything is siloed!
I believe that Our President will try to fix the real problem and not the surface issue.
This company that my wife still works for is exactly one of the biggest user of this program.
The visa program has people from other countries who are exactly what America needs.
But 92% of them are not!
Raise your glasses and toast your new President, Elon Musk. The fat cats who made trillions at the expense of highly skilled, educated American citizens are now your overlords.
Shame on Donald Trump.
That’s arrant nonsense.
Those highly skilled, educated people did not have the creative vision and skill to acquire the capital and innovate successful companies.
Shame on leveraging a legitimate argument into areas that are completely orthogonal.
Then again, very few, I guess, are immune from their own form of propaganda.
One can’t help but laugh at times – many on this board sound themes the implications of which are indistinguishable from what one has to endure on left leaning sites.
Believing that low-wage, indentured servants are more creative than American workers is insulting.
Do better.
The argument that the H1B visas program is somehow displacing all of the american workers had some credence 20 and 40 years ago.
But with the leftist universities, the dumbing down of our education system, the ABJECT failure of our education system to anything other than promote gender studies, this argument has lost a LOT of credence. A lot of credence.
So where does the US stand in the rankings of the best students worldwide. Not so great.
This is a generational thing that will require generations to fix. If we do NOT fix our educational systems, there just is not way to continue leading the world in cutting edge technologies without importing the best and brightest, it just cannot happen.
We can pay more for products, we can force businesses to manufacture here, but we can not say, “americans are better at everything technologically” than the rest of the world.
That would not be in alignment with a common sense party. Which the republicans MUST be.
Two takes I liked:
https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1873362142860361746
https://x.com/Cernovich/status/1873223258528727545
How the issue resolves itself will be revealing; will we find some common ground and reform the program or go scorched earth before the innauguration and give Upchuck Schumer and his flying monkeys a lifebuoy when they’re floundering?
Let’s find common ground is my vote.
I call BS. H1B is a Globalist’s trick.
H1B is not about ‘unglamorous coding jobs’.
The ‘unglamorous coding jobs’ are already outsourced to corporate offices or subcontractors in foreign countries.
H1B may have been used to staff low-level Silicon Valley jobs in the 90’s and early 00’s, but since all the big techs setup shops in India and China, the H1B’s are no longer used that way.
H1B is the virus that big techs (which are actually multi-nationals) use for global staffing. It is the mechanism to commoditize and mobilize labor rather than investing in local/regional labor or the development of said labor. It obliterates sovereignty of borders, workers rights, community and culture.
Anyhow, how long before the ‘unglamorous coding jobs’ are extinct when everybody is learning to AI? AI is capable of coding.
Just thinking … USA star high school athletes (football, baseball, basketball, golf, swimmers, etc) are awarded full-ride scholarships to apply their strengths resulting in marked improvement inc economic & branding/goodwill for the athlete & higher education entity. The NCAA allows athletes now to earn $$/amenities during their higher ed phase of life.
What formal joint Public Sector & industry-specific programs exist to build USA citizen tech, service, & manufacturing skills? What research exists today analyzes the impact of these prorgrams … & defines the program shortfalls?? Define the problems, build the skill growth program with strategic/joint objectives of governments (Fed/State/Local) & industries, give USA citizens priority/advantage over Visa hires. Who owns this USA strategy today …. right now it’s probably bogged down in bureaucracy. SIMPLIFY & CLEAN IT UP via MAGA mandate!!
Respectfully, I disagree with your interpretation. This seems like another scripted event (supposedly reflecting incompetence), whose purpose will be evident (and obvious) only in retrospect. With his string of nearly uninterrupted victories, Trump has earned my benefit of the doubt across the board. I presume everything–even ‘mistakes’–are deliberate until compelling proof says otherwise.
Some insight I hope will contribute to the discussion.
Video Industy
While not in Silicon Valley or the “tech companies” I come from an adjacent and maybe more niche industry of broadcasting- video products that acquire, process, condition and distribute signal from “glass to glass” (i.e. cameras to screens). Been seeing the same trend for years, despite TV being invented here and USA dominating the market in all aspects and innovation for decades in everything from analog to digital, SD to HD to UHD, digital rights management, ad insertion etc etc… it is slowly dying for companies in the USA while video usage and demand is higher than ever. Good luck finding a vendor to buy and have support for a solution that is USA based- it is all UK, France, Canada and Israel.
Companies struggle to compete with the subscription model and subsidies that SaaS providers in the like AWS, Azure and GCP can offer and afford to float while starving out smaller companies…even if not cheaper long term an executive can make a splash by showing savings in converting on premise equipment to “the cloud” that essentially just convert large periodic CapEx investments to smaller but ongoing OpEx expenditures and get a pat on the back.
Hidden in this is the loss of years of talent and experience in changing your infrastructure: from data center and associated techs, server management, operators, internal/external support functions and so on are all slowly forced to be replaced with automation, observability, programs to make all this “cloud” integration work. And it is constantly changing. Additionally, you have now gone from a relative secure closed network within your own datacenter to a public space. Bring in more teams of cyber security and related software engineers for that too. So instead of boots on ground connecting a cable and physically watching the video for quality, there are now teams of laptop based workers to continual try to integrate, validate and make it all work.
This of course brings a stream of H1-B, J-1 and other types of visa resources. Some are great, especially those from university that have degrees specializing in things like compression. We actually have zero education programs in this country at all for the broadcasting field. Use to be ex-military communication and HAM radio types predominantly but slowly see that dry up as age out. Some old orgs like SBE are out there but are on last gasp / not current enough. There is validity to concerns around education- I think my field is great example of what should be a new vocational or trade school degree. Mostly on the job with some sort of apprenticeship, maybe even unionized (much as I hate to type that). But what definitely happens know is everyone bounces around for more pay as move more into “Dev ops” roles that are now the main career path if want to grow technically… except for the visa holders that are left holding bag of crap work due to being more or less indentured servants.
To come back to main point, the inorganic push and urgency to unilaterally move everything to the cloud at all costs was not a natural or technically sound business decision other than in some small cases (like database backups or temporary disaster recovery workflows), but rather one that came from business and executive leaders with little to no actual experience in the industry and instead seems more like a directive they were sold by the obvious benefiters (AWS, Microsoft, Google) or in some hubris in order to chase after the excitement of being “in” with big tech folks despite zero actual need or true improvement to. It is a problem- we need tech leadership that don’t chase the trends and don’t screw American workers to fulfill their quotas and for falling for the sales pitch of outsourcing their infrastructure from on premise with a plethora of vendors and technology to choose from, to a single SaaS provider that now has them locked in for monthly subscription.
Tax Code
It is not just ignorant leadership (that’s likely at any company) as once it fails decisions well go back to what worked. Likewise it is not just our visa / immigration /education systems to blame for creating the incentives to hinder American workers… the tax code needs to take its fair share of fault.
Not well known, but there was a section in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that did not go into affect until 2022 since it was deemed complex and likely to need reform. So the can was kicked and big surprise congress did dick-all so it went into effect. Section 174 creates a huge tax burden for tech companies as all software developers are now deemed research and experimental expenditures and required to be amortized as expenses over 5yrs domestic and 15yrs if foreign.
This means a company making 1million in revenue but with 1milliion in “salary” for software development… before 2022 would have net zero, but now would have to pay 200k in taxes. This is an absolutely killer for tech startups.
https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/section-174/
https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/posts/tax-and-accounting/section-174-expenditures/
All those tech layoffs last 2yrs were not necessarily due just to bad economy and inflation, they were looking at huge tax burdens as IRS now sees their software development people the same a capital expenses like servers. Many companies likely moved their headquarters out of USA to another country to avoid. I am not a tax expert, but I suspect H1B could be used as a workaround to make your software developers a different categorization than R&E. Thus the H1-B becomes even more incentivizing for unpatriotic/unethical/bottom-dollar minded employers. Not only paying lower in salaries, getting more hours, guarantee that they can’t leave… get an additional tax break on top of it.
Bottom line- everything the US government legislates seems to continually put American workers last. Companies outsource all they can, and now bring in foreign talent to squeeze out any competitive pay and benefits to the native worker that does cost more… but not just out of greed. It truly does cost a lot to live here thanks to continuous bad policy and laws from our DC political class. And we shouldn’t be shamed for or called “entitled” or “lazy” for wanting good pay, only 40hrs a week, benefits and maybe even equity in the companies we work for so that we can provide for our families and live our best life outside of work as well. This is what we hope our MAGA movement our victory at the last election will bring an end to.
I saw the fracture coming when, on the day of the vote that Johnson was expected to carry for the proposed funding in Congress as he had Trump had discussed, then Elon jumps in and says “not so fast..no, no, no” (sotospeak). I don’t think anyone expected Elon to become the president before Trump was sworn in. I saw that crack coming and then the whole world at the behest of Elon, jumped on Johnson wishing him to be banished from the speakership. Now he is the enemy rather than the best friend Trump had in Congress. Something’s not right here with High Tech & MAGA. It is fractured.
Who did 99% of the Tech Bros vote for in 2020? All I need to know.
All the straight white American men were purged from Silicon Valley in the 1980s through the 2010s.
Othewise, I’ll relocate in India with all my tech stars and start a SpaceY(not).
I can’t wait to see what the connections to the 200+ colleges in Canada that are now being investigated for money laundering and human trafficking of persons from India into the H1-B program across the border into Silicon Valley.
Feels like someone is hiding something and are seriously defending this for multiple reasons.
The vaseline and kneepads are over U. S. Government. This abuse of American Citizens in taking our money is done. Burn the entire bitch down.
I got a bachelor’s in computer science a decade ago and I never got a job in the field because it’s unfashionable among Silicon Valley elites to hire Straight White American Men.
I would kill to get an entry level job, but they don’t exist for people like me. I’m not diverse enough.
Some of Vivek’s wonderful super talented imports…
(h/t Clarion)
(another h/t)