The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day.
This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
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Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
It appears that most of the explosive sentiments revolve around H1B visas in the tech sector issued to Indian workers specifically. Apparently, the friendships, networks and teams attached to the sector of computer engineering carry with them an emotional component. I guess that should not be a surprise considering this is essentially a peer-to-peer wagon circling, in defense of the H1B visa problems in the tech sector.
As said before, it always appeared the MAGA alignment with Silicon Valley would not be an issue until the interests of the billionaire tech team came into conflict with the MAGA base. I did not anticipate the fracture being so fast, nor did I anticipate immigration would be the trigger. However, H1B visa issuance is apparently a key part of the Silicon Valley business model.
That said, several pragmatic aspects of the discussion are now being lost amid a very toxic shouting match that has begun. President Trump and JD Vance are, perhaps understandably, staying very quiet at the moment. However, that silence is soon to be impossible as both sides of a very divisive issue are going to eventually demand President Trump to weigh in.
I will try to cut through some of the toxic noise so that we can discuss the larger issues.
Theo Wold provides some context:
“I led the drafting of legislation in the Trump ‘45 White House to create a new legal immigration framework. I saw firsthand what happens when ANY visa reform is proposed: executives from the biggest multinationals and lobbyists from all kinds of industries are banging on the door, demanding to keep what they have.
What they have is a tangled morass of visa classes that are carve-outs, handouts, and special favors to particular industries, bought and paid for through decades of lobbying feckless members of Congress and presidential administrations. Industries lobby for the foreign workers they claim to “need,” and then they get a visa class carve-out, which they protect (and seek to expand) at all costs.
And there are enormous costs for our nation – costs that fall on the American worker with devastating consequences. The statistics bear that out: job gains go to foreign-born workers while American workers post net job losses.
I also know this firsthand because I grew up a working-class kid, watching my father (and by extension, our family) suffer from unfair foreign labor competition.
For too long, Americans have been largely unaware of the source of these problems because the policies are designed to be too complicated and are made largely invisible to public scrutiny. I’m glad the right is having an open debate about legal immigration. It is past time.
To be clear, the difference between O1Bs and H1Bs matters in this debate, for example, because these visas are intended to accomplish very different goals and are entirely different in scale, BUT both visa classes are rife with abuse. (Plenty of Reggaeton stars and anti-American athletes enter the U.S. on O-1 visas.) Essentially ALL visa classes are abused. Again, that’s because these things exist to serve special interests on one side of the labor market (and it’s not the side of the American worker).
The debate can’t be confined to a single industry – it’s about Big Tech, Big Ag, tourism and hospitality, transportation (airlines, trucking), the media & sports entertainment complex (yes, the NFL and MLB have their own special visa classes and their own special treatment by DHS and State) and many many others. They all want special visas to import cheap and convenient foreign labor. Even the roofing industry is now seeking its own special visa class. And all of these special classes get expanded over time, allowing the American worker to be flooded with foreign competitors for no reason other than labor savings for employers.
I, like many Americans, voted for a sealed border and an immigration moratorium. Americans need to retake control of our immigration system — how many are coming in, for what reasons, and for how long. One question absent from our current system: how does this individual immigrant benefit the American nation and her people? No more blanket exemptions or economic rationales. Immigration is a regime-based question, as both Hamilton and Jefferson wrote on extensively, and our system should reflect that Americans must also demand meaningful investment in assimilation and integration requirements for legal immigrants here already.’ (Source)
Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it. Within the tech industry the use of H1B is positioned as vital for their success.
As can be noted by the extreme position on the pro-H1B side of the discussion, they view this debate as a zero-sum contest. The position of Musk and the Silicon Valley tech group is that if the H1B process is stopped, American technological advancements will immediately cease to exist.
When it is pointed out that Silicon Valley discriminates against white Americans with engineering degrees and or skills, Silicon Valley shouts back the same arguments as the DEI promoters Musk claims to abhor. Musk and the tech group immediately use the Alinsky attack method (isolate, ridicule, marginalize) against anyone who speaks forcefully against their interests. The Musk allies and influencers then pile on. It is something remarkable to watch happen.
Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse. The decision by the Silicon Valley network to dismiss this problem because they want to sustain their current business operations is not going to end well unless some cooler heads immediately intercede.
Nicole Shanahan, Robert F Kennedy’s former running mate – and also a Silicon Valley network influencer, puts it this way:
“Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.
Here’s why:
To keep pace with global competitors like China and India, we need Americans ready to tackle the challenging jobs in these fields. We have them, but often our STEM grads turn their noses up at these entry-level, low-paying coding positions after investing in a costly education.
So why are immigrants from India, China, and elsewhere so eager for these jobs? It’s not because they’re glamorous or because these roles don’t exist back home. And definitely not because they offer high salaries. There’s something else driving this…
The undeniable proof that the United States is the single greatest nation on earth is that people from every corner of the globe dream of coming here—not to China or India—but America.
I take issue with some of the discourse I’ve read online today suggesting “lazy American culture” is the main driver for why we need to continue the H-1B program. Let’s be real: tech companies getting massive breaks on cheap labor at the expense of the American way of life is predatory.
Blaming our culture for why American STEM grads won’t take underpaying jobs is ridiculous and insulting.
The system we’ve constructed with H-1B visas, whether we like it or not, incentivizes people to come here and serve as essentially indentured servants for Big Tech, taking on the tough, grueling jobs that few here in America are excited to perform at the current suppressed salaries.
In return, if you’re good at your job, you’re then put on a fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.
I’m reminded of this famous line by our second President, John Adams: “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
Just because our kids have the “right” to chase artistic dreams like music and painting, doesn’t mean we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to displace them in math-intensive careers. It’s a two-fold issue: both our education and immigration policies are broken. Instead of tackling these complex issues head-on, Big Tech monopolies and tech VCs are looking for the fastest way to outcompete globally and become industry giants. It’s paid off—look at the insane valuations of these companies!
We can’t entirely blame them for this approach—it’s been the industry norm for 40 years—but we can insist they seek out the tough, lasting solutions. No more temporary fixes.
I was asked if teaching American kids coding from a younger age would make them want these coding jobs. My response? No, it won’t. These jobs aren’t fun, people.
But, do I think removing the incentive of attaining legal status would reduce the volume of foreign applicants? Absolutely.
And, guess what? That might finally force Big Tech to look for workers right here at home (and pay them a competitive wage). Americans expect fair pay, which means these companies would have to start sharing their wealth rather than hoarding it.
Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness—we shouldn’t keep rewarding an industry that has curtailed free speech and American values. After Trump’s recent victory, the everyday worker feels empowered like never before. They won’t surrender that power, and frankly, it’s not right to imply they should.
There are numerous ways to improve our immigration system while safeguarding the American labor force (and I say “force” because it truly is capable, creative, and powerful).
Here are two straightforward steps to start the process:
1. Immigration policy must be designed to protect the American way of life and its workforce. Singapore’s work permit program, which they designed in the ’90s, was built from this standard and could provide good inspiration. They use a modern-day designation system to manage the influx of labor across various sectors.
⁃ Employers face levies (essentially fees that employers have to pay for each foreign worker they hire. It’s a way to manage the number of foreign workers coming in by making it more expensive to employ them, encouraging companies to also look for talent locally).
⁃ There are Dependency Ceilings, which essentially limit the number of foreign workers based on the local workforce—this is KEY.
⁃ They impose restrictions on the countries from which workers can come.
⁃ Permits are diversified across industries to ensure balance.
2. Special economic zones are amazing and can transform local tech job markets. Hiring locally is going to be critical for making sure Americans are taking key tech industry roles AND able to support their families.
If we really want to lift America to heights unseen in generations—not just talk about it, but actually do it—then we can’t continue to stick to outdated strategies that have harmed Americans. We owe it to ourselves and our communities to aim higher and do better.” (source)
As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.
In essence, the Silicon Valley network represented by Elon Musk team, does not connect in the same way to the important priorities of middle America. The technocrats are, well, Technocrats.
Watching this debate unfold is quite remarkable.


I think Musk believes he bought America
Unfortunately so does Trump
Well what would we be without his shtty electric cars?/sarc
Nicole Shanahan does a very good job describing this issue. She should take the lead on reforming the situation. Trump should bring her in.
Yes-she is thoughtful on the subject
I see that Musk’s extensive intellect does not extend to his vocabulary. His words describe who he is more than anything else!
How about this Elon: By their fruits ye shall know them! You are rapidly exposing who you are, and who you are not! Your words are quite revealing!
I receive a lot of “junk” email from Trump, Vance, and others, but one recent email from Vance caught my attention. It specifically said that American workers will have priority. I wish I had kept that email to post the exact wording, but Trump/Vance knows that the average American does NOT want foreign workers coming in and taking good jobs.
I for one hope that the MAGA debate over how to manage legal immigration in the United States goes on for months. It should provide a nice distraction for the media to focus on while we are deporting millions of illegal aliens from this country.
Flashback: Musk Is In Over His Head
“Last week the EU asked us to censor some Americans – citing no law that had been broken, simply saying that certain users were posting “propaganda” – and we told them to pound sand.”
https://news.gab.com/2022/12/musk-is-in-over-his-head/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/darren-beattie-warns-war-room-h-1b-visas/
Mr Musk’s + some others obsessive refusal to acknowledge fairly uncomplicated reasoning is starting to piss me off…
I’m going to post some links to the best effort I’ve made to try to adjust the focus more on reality (at least as I see it).
https://x.com/iggyb70/status/1873165579689050569?s=61
https://x.com/iggyb70/status/1873161891968651339?s=61
https://x.com/iggyb70/status/1873172976285434034?s=61
Very well said…
How the Gupta Brothers Bought a Country
https://openthemagazine.com/features/dispatch/how-the-gupta-brothers-bought-a-country/
I’ve known about the hostility by the Federal and to some extent State Government against White males. I was boxed out of many jobs where I was the better more qualifed candidate, at that time before the Kalergi Replacement invasion,it was by White females who were ‘educated” but lacked the work experience which White males like myself most certainly had. We had the education & experience, but wrong gender. Part of this was to get White women working and not being part of the Traditional family unit, and thus lowering birthrates which is the main goal for liberal-marxist-luciferian Tranny,Homosexual brainwashing. The government hates us and is genociding us.

Enoch Powell seemed to understand the Globalist-India mafia. Look what the Gupta crime family is doing to South Africa, read the story of Eskom for what they want to do fully do here.
Yep
Hey couz. I’ve known this most of life. No finer example than the story of Rhodesia.
Cheers my friend
One of these days we need to go on a Mozambique tangent. It always gets lost to history.
China backed terrorist “Sir” Robert Mugabe was tipped off by the UK traitor running the Rhodesia Intelligence agency (ironic no?) before the Rhodesian Hawker-Hunter jet was able to bomb his location, as liquidating Mugabe was part of the terrorist clean up operation.
Operation Dingo: Attack on New Farm (the Rhodesian Bush War, 1977)
Well trumps bs answer, knowing the asshole musk was extremely disrespectful and called his followers names, people who have supported him for 9 years through thick and thin and this rich boy man comes with 1/4 billion and we are choppped liver
Trump really disappointed me, I have come back down to earth and now I fear the illeagals are going to be here forever
Oh he’ll get the thugs amd
Murderers, but not all the 30 millions
Even Homan has been speaking differently
Trump didn’t disappoint me in the least. He knows what he’s doing and he will MAGA.
Time will tell what Trump will actually – do.
I can predict – if he Doesn’t take the fight to the Woke Institutions + DC + Corporate Corruption this time – we’ll skin him alive…
This has never been about Trump at its core – the Tea Party core.
He only has 4 years of eligibility to get the fight going…
It’s now or step aside to let someone else who’s willing do it…
Speculating that PDJT should “step aside to let someone else who’s willing to do it” do it?
“It” == “take the fight to Woke Institutions + DC + Corporate Corruption”
Source: someone who’s been in a Rip Van Winkle coma or Eyes Wide Shut blind for the past 9+ years?
Reality Check:
There is no one else, nor will there ever be another someone else, who is both willing AND able to do what PDJT has been successfully already doing, and plans to continue doing, until he’s succeeded.
Whether he succeeds or not will ultimately depend on whether enough people who are still sitting on the sidelines being Screen World VIEWERs aka reality disconnected Trump critics become threat aware enough to start being REAL WORLD helping-President-Trump- succeed- 24/7 DOERS.
The core =/= PDJT, The core == “The Tea Party”
😂 Welcome, padawan.
Hopefully recovery from pride blindness happens asap.😘
Don’t count on JD… he’s a long time Elon buddy.
Try to remember that Musk took criticism of outsiders personally.
I read Musk has Asperger’s.
I had an American Coworker in Saudi Arabia who had that.
I’m sure some of this is related to that. They can’t read a room well…
” They can’t read a room well…”
That would be the understatement of the year. However, that doesn’t excuse or change the reality that he has let slip the mask and exposed his core views on yet another subject to the masses. Those who know his background aren’t surprised in the least though…
Actor Dan Aykroyd has that same condition. He never blew up at anyone, not even when acting! I guess Elon truly is a special kind of special.
No we are not the slightest bit surprised.
I don’t care. His a– burger better get literate, real quick!
Then maybe Musk should govern himself according to his personal limits and not be in a situation where he destroys stuff because he can’t control his temper or his filthy mouth. Just a thought.
President Trump has to deal with reality not dreams. He needed the Musk endorsement and money to win otherwise we’d have Kamala for the next eight years. End of the argument!
Reality is that the election is over and PDJT is THE President, not Musk’s servant boy.
Yes he did and the real Trump supporters understand this
Musk needs US, we do not need HIM. And to prove it… He goes on and on about “winning the race” and “meritocracy”… Well, who does he think will get these prized Indians if we don’t? NO other country has an immigration system so broken, corrupted, and over-abused as ours! So it isn’t like China will get them if we don’t. And Russia’s too cold for Indians. So who’s left that we must keep from getting them before we do? Iran? Without Syria, Iran’s plans are _cooked_. North Korea? LOL… be serious!
No, Musk needs us to need them, and that’s it. Again, he needs us, we don’t need him and never did.
Not true.
Exactly. He was all about keeping the facially tattooed (obvious gang members) from getting in, but those who clearly had no legit asylum claim were nonetheless given their day in court with liberal immigration judges (not always, but far from uncommon). And the ones already here, he did little about. It will be the same this time, too. He’ll deport the obvious, but won’t look at the rest as criminals, even though they could’ve entered legally when they came (Biden’s policy didn’t forbid them from legal entry) and are, therefore, criminals! He’ll deport that relative handful, call it “doing great things for America” and his cult will eat it up.
I don’t recall your Treehouse postings over the last 8 years.
Have I missed something?
Personal I wants and wishes versus President Trumps Americas survival needs promises.
Confusing these two very different things typically does lead to a temporary bout of “really disappointed” feels and sometimes even spoiled brat Veruka Salt, temper tantrums that blames Daddy making them feel bad rather than themselves.
Most, sooner or later, live, reflect, learn and improve. Sadly, some never do.
Hopefully, at least CTH readers will avoid the fate of being in the latter category; especially when it really matters like NOW.
hopefully helpful REMINDER:
Its just T minus 21 DAYS until PDJTs Inauguration Day and the official kick off of the destructively deadly NWO PsyWarfare Storm season.
And how does this help MAGA?
If we can’t force the GOPe to represent us, why did we vote in the 1st place?
Are you satisfied with a Uniparty – because you at least feel like you are on a “winning” team…?
This is EXACTLY how we won the Cold War then pissed the victory away by disengaging…
I agree with you 100% CR, but I worry PDJT did a deal that got him across the finish line that brought us to this.
Exactly! Trump winning came at a price and part of the price was the H1B Visa Program.
Otherwise, we’d be looking at Kamala Harris for the next eight years and President Trump would be looking at the rest of his life in federal prison!
So this election wasn’t about saving the country, but keeping Trump out of jail.
If he would be willing to sell out the common man he has so long stated he is in support of on such a monumental issue, then he isn’t a fraction of the man he was thought to be. It would also indicate that his “room reading” ability is as poor or worse than Elon’s.
I have serious mixed feelings my friend. I’m still MAGA and PDJT all the way though. I can remember what the GOPe did to Pat Buchanan in 1996. Let’s see how this shakes out.
Can understand that CK. We all have those things we quietly contain – both thoughts and sensations, hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.
A toast to the best. Slainte!
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https://x.com/iggyb70/status/1873113155770913081?s=61
I just found out from one of my friends I grew up with, that a whole bunch of people we went to grammar & High school have all recently died of Cancer. One was a Jewish girl of Serbian ancestry who I knew since 5th grade. Another was one who played Center on my football team. It was quite shocking to hear the number that have died in the past 3-4 years.
Yeah, it doesn’t get easier from here…
Even if the Shots stopped today – the next few years are going to reveal the truth more + more…
Other people were correct – we were able to Beat the Cheat — but that was D-Day, not V-Day….
Going along to get along isn’t an option anymore…
Sorry to hear of your news my friend. Prays up.
Ty mate. People I knew as kids, had many a good time over the years with.
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https://x.com/iggyb70/status/1872935030684631426?s=61
Perhaps during a highly charged PsyWar battle like this one, when encountering a President Trump ally who’s under attack, a different and perhaps ultimately wiser approach would be to dispassionately observe them, seeking to better understand them , rather than trying to persuade them during the heat of battle that their attackers may have a some valid points? (pun intended)
As the OT bible famously pointed out, “for everything there is a time and season”.
Perhaps, when encountering someone who is obviously being destructively affected during this PsyWar Storm Season, it may not be the right season or time for trying to persuade them about anything?
We all respect Elon, and the man’s right on schedule moving in the right direction. But he’s still emerging from a very materialistic time in a man’s life. Nothing can form a blind-spot like an Economic Interest – it’s absolutely hypnotizing – I would submit the extremely impolitic timing in the pursuit of this agenda item as proof of that.
As Elon moves into a more spiritually oriented time in a man’s life he will learn all of the sobering lessons in Ecclesiastes. And the metaphor of “The Great Whore Babylon.” All Countries are destroyed by letting money decide their actions – and this Country is about halfway down that road even as we speak.
MAGA is about the Heart & Soul of a Nation – not the bottom line on a spread-sheet. I would point out that Big Government along with its favorite son Big Tech haven’t exactly been a winning combination. They’ve left us in ruins.
There’s only one way for a Country to be Great – it has to be fair to its citizens and not interfere with their God given Freedom.
“MAGA is about the Heart & Soul of a Nation – not the bottom line on a spread-sheet.”
And that’s an issue of long vs short term perspective and leaders of big corporation tend to be short-term thinkers.
Speak for yourself – there is zero respect from many of us…
BS about Elon. He like most of those in the tech idiocy spectrum are narcissist.
Sasha Stone has a good point on this — right now before President Trump is even inaugurated is not the time to split the MAGA movement. We need to trust and support the Gray Champion we just elected.
https://open.substack.com/pub/sashastone/p/a-real-maga-civil-war-or-sabotage?r=o78eq&utm_medium=ios
Tell that to Elon and Vivek. They’re the ones running their mouths off on Twitter calling Americans too “retarded” and lazy to be employable. This mess is 100% on them, not us.
And Trump now unfortunately
Yeah, I’m pissed
Judging by Trumps reaction. I do not think his team has informed him about the H1B fraud that is going on in this country.
He does not know possibly.
Agreed. Until last week Elon and Vivek were flawless in their public statements. They stepped into a giant dog pile on the H1-B abuse issue. They had better get some empathic advice from American citizens who have suffered major career disruption because of H1-B abuse. Our MAGA movement is full of such victims.
BS- I’m not expecting anything more now from the Trump admin then how far can Americans bend over and keep on taking it. Done with them ALL!!
It also shows that they are most definitely NOT MAGA…so to jettison them now isn’t a splintering.
David,
Sometimes, Americans (of which I am one) forget just how important our country is to the rest of the world.
It is not an exaggeration, and has nothing to do with arrogance. The rest of the “Western” world is relying on
us to get our *bleep* together and put pressure on their governments to follow along.
They are just as thrilled that DJT won the election as we are.
They really need our leadership. Too bad that Vivek and Elon are so myopic.
Sacha Stone is correct — but is is too late to bring this up?
There does not appear to be a lot of Trust in President Trump in the MAGA base.
That’s evident right here. What is the plan? Take back your Vote? Doubtful that works.
I have no clear idea of what President Trump is thinking, who he is listening to, where he finds his base.
I do KNOW – that when those who supposedly support him and are supposedly his base are nothing but critical about his Cabinet Choices AND his Family – they are not likely to be listened to.
JD Vance as VP — Disastrous, untrustworthy
Don Jr — Disastrous, untrustworthy
Elon Musk-Vivek and DOGE …. HORRIBLE
Marco Rubio, SOS – HORRIBLE
Pam Bondi – HORRIBLE
and so it goes, one after another — nothing but complaints
Is it likely (be honest now) – that the Trump Family and President listens and follows this site?
It honestly would surprise me if he did.
I voted for President Trump, the Election is over. I don’t take back my Vote and I have to TRUST that he will make the best decisions he can … in spite of the actions of those who want him to fail.
Sorry, but “right here” is significantly small compared to the MAGA base.
That’s true.
I can say that in my own extended circle there is not a single person who isn’t livid over this…with it all focused on Twiddle Dee and Tweedle Dumb.
We don’t want him to fail, quite the opposite, but we want him to support the American First agenda
Period
Part of winning will mean compromise on some things.
Remember what happened to JFK, RFK and what almost happened to DJT.
So that allows him to lie to everyone that supported him
On some things there is not any compromise.
Wrongo Joe-
There is no way to conflate compromise with winning.
I, personally, would choose a loss over becoming compromised.
Truth is truth. He’s a big boy, he has shown he can handle it.
Reality though is that at the moment this really has nothing directly to do with PDJT – and everything to do about Vivek and Musk.
BS. He did this to himself. Trump could have come out and said, we will train American citizens for these tech jobs, if we don’t have enough, we can supplement with the best in each nation
It I support America first
He didn’t come close to saying that
Agreed…Trump better do some back peddling real quick. Right now he is completely going back on his previous statements on the program. Doesn’t he have any clue on what he has said on public record on this issue. It’s been posted on this site. I agree with his original statements. It’s a scam to bring in cheap workers and undercut American wages.
Over the course of many years, I expected Republican officeholders to fix the border and illegal immigration. They said they were going to. When they didn’t, I actually thought they would get to it when they had taken care of higher-priority things. I didn’t complain, because I figured that would just give more power to their opponents.
It took me much longer than it should have to understand what was going on. So I am not receptive to hearing “it’s not the right time” about this related issue.
This whole H1B kerfuffle may have been seeded by anti-Trump people. I don’t care. Mr. Trump has made a lot of proposals to MAGA. It would be good if he would fold this issue in and tell us what he intends.
President Elect Trump made these comments today.
President-elect Trump appeared to agree with Elon Musk in support of H-1B visas for skilled workers in the U.S., as the right spars on the ongoing immigration debate.
“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump told the New York Post Saturday.
Trump said that he recognizes the visas on his properties, saying, “I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program.”
Incomplete, passing comment without context on a gotcha question. His full viewpoint as previously stated – which stands until he directly himself contradicts it with a personal and full statement.
What I saw was not reported in 2016, it was as of today.
Published December 28, 2024 3:48pm EST
trump-says-he-believer-h-1b-visas-skilled-migrant-workers-right-spars-immigration-report
Do you mean that FUX NEWS did this story today using the statement from March 13, 2016?
I’m aware of when it was purported to be said and by whom. It’s to what my comments were directed about.
The creation of DOGE came as a surprise. So did the appointment of Musk. People voted for Trump, not Musk. Musk’s done nothing but cause rancor and division. Fire him.
I believe Musk just called us the ‘r’ word.
I continue to watch for Trump to weigh in on this. Or Stephen Miller. Or JD Vance. Their silence is feeling like a betrayal at this point. Watching Elon glued to the hip of Trump is very weird and unsettling. No one voted for Elon.
We voted for America/Americans first and we mean it. Maybe Trump should get people around him who love America and Americans, people who’ve been with him from the beginning, not these fair weather friend grifters looking to cash in. Trump needs to stop believing everyone has to love him, because they don’t and won’t. He’s hosting at Mar a Lago all the people who censored the base who fought for him. Trump made a lot of BIG promises and he made them over and over and over again. We are watching.
Stephen Miller has posted on X and it’s on one of the past pages saying President Trump is America First and only American First.
Then he needs to denounce Musk’s hate filled anti-American tantrums.
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No he doesn’t.
Sometimes when someone is making an ass of himself, or just a minor mistake, you let him keep going without direction and see where it goes.
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the issue I have is that President Trump has allowed very special and considerable powers delegated to Elon Musk. It’s disingenuous and problematic to allow the mad man to continue to spew anti american sentiment.
that’s how this feels to me.
God Bless America
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He will have no independent powers. First, Trump isn’t in office yet. And when he is, Musk and co. will not be able to do anything of significance that Trump doesn’t approve of. All of it is essentially of the information gathering, strategy, plan drafting, legal opinion gathering, and advisory variety, where actions such as eliminating positions or closing agencies ultimately will require Trump’s signatures on EOs.
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No , he does not.
Absolutely!!!
Past post from Miller. Crickets now…
Now’s the time President Trump will be talking to Elon, Alex Jones had his back yesterday, I’m sure they were hoping he would just chill out. No such luck. People probably never disagree with Elon, he’s probably not use to it. Personally I like the man, I like the way he treats his Mother.
She wouldn’t like that post by the way, Elon!
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Trump has to deal-make. That includes deciding what can and cannot be granted as dispensation to Big Tech in return for what they are willing to do. That includes where helpful stroking egos and being friendly.
Surely you and others did not think that all these formerly Democrat-ass-licking contract-getting corporate-welfare getting billionaires were… working for free in the interests of MAGA the First Amendment mom apple pie and George Washington out of the goodness of their hearts?
I have been saying for months here since his takeover of twitter that Elon Musk will do what is good for Elon Musk. Too many people want to believe in, are desperate to have, heroes. That doesn’t mean Musk is a villain. He’s not. In fact our capitalist system is built upon men doing what is in their interests. We constrain it where there is fraud, criminality, or public harm.
As for Trump: the BEST thing that can be done right now is for MAGA to keep complaining and Trump to keep assessing the strength of the positions on all sides. That gives Trump, when he needs it, more bargaining power while still keeping the techies on our side to the extent he can. They are tools for Trump — and us; what are they offering and what will it cost us. Let it ride on. It’s information. No one has “betrayed” you. Trump isn’t even in office yet.
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Great comment full of common sense.
What deals need to be made with people who have ulterior motives which serve them at the expense of the values put forth by Trump?
I realize he hung onto his Big Beautiful Door thing throughout his campaign – i saw that clearly and I see it now.
I just think the visas aren’t offering anything positive to America and we need to pause immigration. Trump received push back every time he leaned towards legal immigration so it’s not a sentiment he’s unfamiliar with.
There’s a common understanding that donating to a campaign means that, should the campaigner win, those who donated the most should be given concessions even if those concessions go against the preferences of other donors.
I realize that’s standard operating procedure but that doesn’t mean it should continue.
Who should Trump side with if he cannot make a decision that suits all of us?
In this case there is a fairly wide distinction between one side and another- one is pro America and the other is not.
I’m waiting for him to choose a path and make it clear what that path is rather than make wishy-washy statements while others speak for him…
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Why do you believe that Donald Trump has to make any decision rightnowdammit? He’s not yet in office. This issue is not even on any table.
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I do think he has a responsibility to respond to what is obviously a contentious issue.
If it was just a little online spat it’d be one thing but this isn’t just about H1B, it’s also about whiny tantrum boy and snotty Indian saying Americans suck and acting like we owe them something.
Actually… yeah. That’s why I’m pissed off and why i think Trump should respond to what’s going on.
Someone mentioned Mike Rowe earlier on – i second that motion. Ditch those two egomaniacs and bring in Mike.
If you actually think that he can allow this fire to rage unabated until he is in office, then you are deep into pretending. Does he need to do it this minute – no, but he likely can’t let it go past Monday at the latest and the longer he delays, the more damage is done.
You should remember an important point. Good will, trust, and support are built up over time and earned. However it can all be destroyed, even irreparably, in a relatively short period of time. PDJT should understand this, as he operates on the principle in regards to loyalty. If he actually has any desire to solve any of the problems faced by the nation, he has a limited time frame to address this.
“Surely you and others did not think that all these formerly Democrat-ass-licking contract-getting corporate-welfare getting billionaires were… working for free?”
That’s exactly the price we paid for winning, Folks! Look at the alternatives if we lost!
PDJT expects loyalty and he gives loyalty in return. Trust him.
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Yes.
And but he also doesn’t expect altruism, but to deal with offers, demands, counteroffers, counterdemands, differing interests and needs and wants, differing points of view, emotional and even irrational positions of all kinds… i.e. a negotiation.
What ALWAYS has to come first is information-gathering. Smart negotiators don’t immediately give the other side of the table their bottom line. Or their position at all.
How about, yes, some trust in that smarter man we chose to represent us?
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Stephen Miller just sent a thinly-veiled warning to the America Last tech faction….
https://revolver.news/2024/12/stephen-miller-just-sent-a-thinly-veiled-warning-to-the-america-last-tech-faction/
JD Vance can NOT say anything. He has an Indian wife and if he stays quite he might survive this but if he says the wrong thing his career is over before it even started.
In ’28 all DeSantis has to say is he opposed H1B and Vance supported H1B.
This discussion has revealed the TECHNOCRATS. 5D chess?
Let me me see if I got thus straight:
1) Musk immigrated ton these uSA. Has he stated why?
2) Sets up shop in California – and he thinks he is smart?
3) Musk says he must bring other immigrants to succeed.
4) Ends up moving shop to Texas – well, seems he is not a total imbecile.
5) Why did Musk not setup shop in India and spare us the cost of those immigrants?
Cause India won’t give him the billions us taxpayers do
Bannon’s WarRoom
@Bannons_WarRoom • 57m
Bannon: @ElonMusk, you’re calling the MAGA movement racist? How dare you. The coalition is building—Black and Hispanic families, and now you want to play the racism card? You think we’re going to tolerate that? We’re not. And I don’t care how big a check you wrote.
Elon is a globalist.
Tech bros: “There’s a shortage of talent. We need more workers! More H-1Bs!”
Professor of Computer Science at UC Berkeley: “My perfect GPA students are contacting me worried because they are getting zero job offers.”
https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1872773432573854044
Oops.
Well, maybe the folks who run UC Berkeley ought to complain and lobby to eliminate the H1B Visa Program.
Frankly, they haven’t been on our side yet so they can fight their own battles!
Do you think it might have anything to do with the fact that they are UC Berkeley graduates?
If you had a pool of applicants with equal GPA, one from UGA in Athens, GA and the other from UC Berkeley, in Bezerkely, CA, who would you choose?
(replace x dot com with twitter dot com to embed it)
Furthermore, American employers pay payroll tax (Have to match Social Security + Medicare deductions for every one of their employees to send to the Fed) and American workers bet taxed by Federal/State gov’ts between 35-50% of their income. I doubt if these foreign workers get taxed [to death].
Visa holders are not subject to withholding taxes, and their employers do not have to pay matching payroll taxes, SS, Medicare, on them either.
Hire all Americans that will take the job first. Don’t just assume no one wants the job. Many Americans need the job!
Or, just don’t let any company have more than 10% of H-1B workers!
Exactly. Make H-1B work for America in a way that works for all.
Elon is flipping out because he’s being isolated and targeted. Keep it up!
He’s obviously got self control issues. He’s dangerous,
This anti-American argument made by Elon and Vivek (they of course will never admit to that description) has sadly removed my support for them.
Instead of proposing immediate changes to public & private education curriculums and standards from kindergarten upwards they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and go for the short term profit.
That’s not MAGA in the least.
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When did you think that Musk and Ramaswamy were motivated by their patriotic roots in America’s history and ideology and not what it is about America that is and has been good for them?
Even when it’s sincere and heartfelt, even believed to be “altruistic”, people who are rational will tend to do what is in their and their families’ interests first as they perceive those interests.
Everything is a negotiation: what do you want and what are you offering.
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agreed. he is a genius…but not a complete boy. His success has altered his world view to that of a simple minded opportunist who does not believe in making any investments in the one country that made all of his successes possible. huh…
noting: just days ago, Elon remarked “concerning” related to how makenzie Scott (sp?) was giving away money to different charities. (Makenzie is former spouse of Jeff bezos, whom was awarded substantial billions in the divorce settlement). Now, for the record, I don’t have a point of reference about the charities to which she donates to comment, but I am finding myself curious why Elon seems to find charity from this woman “concerning”.. Could it be that in his genius state of “absolute logic” he feels that that giving..the act of selfless charity is stupid and irrational. I think we AGAIN seeing the true mind and nature of Elon Musk. A simple opportunists. The same kind of person who really believes that human beings are not good enough and need to have transhuman bio-machines attached to their brains. you know, so they think like Elon does.
God Bless America
Cannot comment on Mackenzie Scott donations since I have no background on her. Jeff Bezos to me is total scum.
I cannot argue against Elon’s tenacity towards achieving a never-before-achieved technical objective; he’s demonstrated that he has that quality in spades.
IMHO he has a narrow focus on his objectives that can be a positive attribute in cutting out “noise” and naysayers, but it’s also a negative attribute when he ignores related issues that a majority of clear-thinking patriotic Americans, including President Trump have voiced this concern (keeping Americans First) for at least a few decades.
I think Sundance has observed & assessed this issue pretty accurately, in his article.
Yes, Sundance has again demonstrated his keen analysis without favor…even if this resulted in some pretty emotional bursting from the seams here at CTH.
GOOD. We must never be still as our nation is being resized. WE have the power to make this country and who will lead it …as long as we understand how to evaluate things properly and fairly. Sundance has done a yeoman’s works here developing this story and not being stupidly carefully to hurt any sensitive feelings.
we are not snowflakes…we are at the very tip edge of the spear and looking first around the corners. we see things that other only react to. we have developed the ability to predict rather well and to spot cheats, thieves, dishonesty and otherwise nefarious actors.
I am please with this article. It means we are correct to remain skeptical.
there is just too much riding on the outcomes of these next 4 years of this war to surrender the one thing we all can do:
speak out loud when our interests are being attacked.
I for one, denounce Elon musk for attacking the enterprise of the American Worker. It’s a disingenuous argument he is making, obfuscating the clear benefit his companies enjoy by favoring cheap foreign labor, and it is unacceptable to make those argument with a direct threat that cannot be waved away as just some emotional breakdown.
I take your word Elon. you want to fight over this.
challenge accepted.
you will lose…and big.
God Bless America
How does that go now?
The difference between Elon Musk and God is that God doesn’t think He is Elon Musk.
Make sure and read the following. Enoch Powell made some very applicable and prophetic statements regarding Asia, and using the Black Civil Rights movement to mask it, against Heritage Brits, much like the same thing happening against Heritage Americans.
India: It’s Worse Than You Think
https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/
And make no mistake about it-given the opportunity, it will happen here. Vivek is embodiment of the attitude.
Enoch Powell really had this nailed down decades ago. He and his fellow patriots were muzzled and straightjacketed by the UK’s version of Newt Uniparty McConnell, a pedophile UK Conservative party leader by the name of “Eddie” Heath.
If Gary Glitter had a twin in the UK government it would be Heath.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1872844870626492808
I hope everyone takes a moment to take Charlie Kirk’s advice on this. Especially since there’s now reason to believe at least Elon and Vivek TRULY have our restored greatness at heart.
How could they as they have openly expressed contempt for actual Americans. We’re lazy, stupid, racists who raise bad children.
No they didn’t.
Yes they did. They posted it for all to see.
Oh please, stop with the histrionics.
You need a dictionary if you think that comment qualifies as histrionic.
I would be careful with taking too much advice from Charlie Kirk or Turning Point USA. There is more than anecdotal evidence of ties to the Republican wing of the Uniparty.
Charlie has argued FOR H1B visas and unfettered immigration in the past…
How stupid. Did somebody hack Elons account? No. Those are his words. That is his attitude. And Vivek thinks America is mediocre unlike India.
And it really pisses me off because they are an immigrant and a first generation American and they came here for fks sake. We didn’t go to their homeland they came here. And now they act like everywhere else is better. Especially where Vivek’s family left. Then go there you fkng tech holes. Leave. Why did you come here you ungreatful little btchs?
Except Charlie Kirk is one of them.
He was an avid RDS supporter.
I agree w Charlie…
Let’s take a breath, get to Jan. 21 & begin the back & forth needed to restore our country. Disagreements spark debate & from debate solutions are found. It’s early, let’s give it some time. Relax, breathe everyone…
F Charlie. No breather, no quarter. This issue and the statements made by Frick and Frack too important.
Stop the gaslighting! No “Leftist” forced Elon Musk to call us “retarded” and make unhinged rants like the one Sundance screenshotted. No “Leftist” forced Vivek to call Americans too stupid and lazy to be employable. This mess is 100% on Elon and Vivek, not us. We are not peasants who have to sit there and nod quietly while Elon and Vivek insult us. We are allowed to defend ourselves and our Country.
Again, we are at fault. We burned the dinner and are the battered MAGA spouses. It’s our fault we spoke up for American workers. So, we get called names and verbally beaten up.
Musk and Rama have power and control issues.
Charle just told us he is one of them
opps
I don’t know about you, but someone who tells me to take a big step back and fu*k myself in the face, then follows up with a declaration of war on Americans who disagree and want a conversation about H1b abuse, does not have anything in their heart.
Elon Musk is a liar and a fraud. Always has been, always will be.
Mrs. “Free Speech” Ellon.
Elon, not acceptable.
You’re behaving emotionally. Take the weekend off!
Who are you to tell this person what to think and do?
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Shut down by HB1 visa employees and/or their coded algorithms?
Let it play out. Give them rope. They are hurting themselves right now.
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Oops.
MAN, YOU GUYS ARE HOT TONIGHT !!
It ‘s been said many times, and in many ways– no, not Merry Christmas!
What I say, and many others say is , “I did not vote for Elon or Vivek.”
My country and fellow citizens have my support.
So, back acha, Elon. The hell with your profit margins. Don’t sign on as America First, and then let loose a foul-mouthed tantrum when we do not bend to your will.
America First is for the people, not the oligarchs.
Why is India such a backwards dump if it’s filled with such hard working geniuses?
Why didn’t he start his company in India?
Before Ghandi dressed up in a sheet and paraded around as a mystic he was a lawyer in South Africa.
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The unpolitically-correct response is that India is only a dump in the overpopulated lower classes. Remember the ingrained caste system.
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Somehow, through some sort of tricky “logistics,” it’s exclusively and undeniably whiteys fault.
Whitey must sacrifice.
Whitey must pay.
Sit down and shut up whitey!
The simple truth is that they are mediocre, but in great numbers.
This is a repeat of the late 90’s going into Y2K, the eve of the internet explosion due to hardware and speed; fiber’s line speed, network processors, memory cost, and gui interfaces to the web. All that work plus Y2K gave the American tech worker choices, and a much higher wage. Silicon valley didn’t like that. Owners and CSuite do not like giving more. The phrase “leaving money on the table” signifies a very cut throat card game. That period saw CEOs and owners lobby DC to place restrictions on American workers. It’s easy to see why Capitalism spurs communism. Profits are never enough. Why settle for $1.5M when one can squeeze out another half mil?
Corp America does not like meritocracy nor innovation.
If Musk believed what he says about no patents etc, then he would be the same about white American males. Which is the issue. A white male outperforms everyone almost all of the time. And they challenge management by calling BS to alot of the fluffy BS “programs” management proposes. Which is a substitute for pay. Why pay when you can implement a thank you program for less cost including a consultant. Those costs get written off too. Say “thank you” by giving bonuses.
Corp America, like the military, and the government, love communism. They just don’t like to utter that word in public. It makes them known to be exactly what they are.
The root of this entire problem is money, fairly distributed. The H1B law states that H1B employees must be paid the same rate as an American in the same job at the same skill level. American (that’s American) companies are widely abusing that rule with impunity and with no consequences. There are other systemic problems with the H1B program but it would go a long way towards fixing it if that weren’t true. Since it’s expensive and difficult to police all the companies in the U.S., let’s just put a tariff on every H1B in the U.S. that moves their salary to match the local rates. The companies who hire H1B’s will complain that the tariff is too high, those being screwed by the current H1B system will complain it’s too low. But then we’re discussing tactics, not the overall strategy of the program itself. I really don’t care what Elon or Vivek think about American culture. Let’s just concentrate on fixing a system that is openly being abused.
Along with that, I don’t think we should hesitate to let President Trump know when we think he’s wrong. That’s why it’s called a Republic! No one is perfect…
Its not just about the money, or even primarily about the money.
If you are an employer, you would rather have an illegal alien or H1b worker, than an American citisen, every time., even at the same pay.
Why? Because the illegal or H1b worker is goung to be more compliant, and isn’t going to file a case with the Equal Opportunity Employment people, or OSHA, etc.
They will be there first thing in the morning, when you come in to open up, they will gladly work overtime, weekends, holidays,…and will NEVER say “No, thats not my job.”
And, they will never give notice, telling you they have a better offer,…unless you want to match it ?
They are COMPLIANT, and cause you less headaches,….difference between an employee and a slave, really.
I’ve brought this up before, but when former VA Democrat Senator Jim Webb brought the subject of Affirmative Action being used to promote immigrants from India,Pakistan,China,Mexico, etc over Heritage American White & Black people, it caused huge consternation at the 2016 Democrat Primaries. I was enthusiastic that he had the courage to point out the hypocrisy of it and how it was twisted by the Liberal-Marxists from helping American Blacks, to helping immigrants discriminate against White & Blacks as a Federal Government law.
A lot of H1B workers are hidden behind software consulting companies. Your local American company hired a consulting company to install new databases. The consultants are on your site but are not your employees. They are H1B hires by the consulting company.
Inform yourself.
https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-total-cap-history-from-1990-to-current-year/
85,000 per year. This is a minuscule amount of people (a lot with master degrees) allowed in every year when compared to illegal immigration.
We only have ourselves to blame for having our “not even worth crap” education system. We reap what we sow.
We either hire these people now or we lose our technical leadership.
And, they are Visas after all, not citizenship.
THINK!
We will never catch up to India if we don’t bring in more H1Bs!!!
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We have to beat China by making America India!
I have indoor plumbing.
I’m already caught up and passing on the inside curve.
Who wants to study to be an engineer if they can’t make a decent living at it? The continual unfair competition from H1Bs discourages those in the USA who might otherwise become engineers.
Yes. THINK!
When facts are provided, THINK. How many years are those 85,000 allowed to stay? How many overstay? How many are extended? How many other types of visas are available for other areas of employment other than H1B’s? Same questions as above for those types of visas.
Once you answer those questions and THINK about them, then you might think about coming here to lecture about how great these programs are and we should just shut up.
Read this article, then take your own advice.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/12/28/h-1b-uproar-obscures-vast-workforce-other-white-collar-migrants/
BS
Bannon tells the spoiled little brat how it is…
Truth – it’s a scam.
Just like his WEF BFBs – a feudal system.
Bannon is an idiot. That is why Trump sent him packing from his first administration.
Excellent rebuttal there Sparky. All hail the king of logic!!
Are we in trouble with Trump? https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/28/president-elect-donald-trump-i-have-always-been-in-favor-of-h-1b-visas/
No, No, President Trump’s taking care of this business right now.
Only if you didn’t know that Trump has always been in favor of h1b visas. Here’s his statement from 2016 again:
March 03, 2016
“Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.”
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-donald-j-trump-position-visas
He really doesn’t remember this?
How convenient
If you accept he was the lesser of two evils, it’s not too bad.
Good post! Theo and Nicole are spot on.
It would really help if we (stupid Gov) didn’t GIVE tax credits to any & every employer who hires refugees, immigrants and visa holders et. al.
That right there would end a lot of this hiring of outside as opposed to American workers.
Wonder why every major hotel-resort chain has few Americans working in them-massive tax credits-
Wonder why every credit card or bank or customer service job is being held by a non-English first language speaking person? Massive tax credits-etc etc etc. on & on.
Those tax credits incentivize employers to hire non-American because they benefit from it…our country not so much.
I’m glad to see this addressed I just hope it doesn’t split our MAGA path forward.
JMO.
It’s Saturday night, ….. time to give it a rest …..
President Trump stated that MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, means hiring Americans, not foreigners, and building your plant in the USA, not Mexico, etc.
He is bringing jobs back to America to put Americans to work just like he did in his first term.
He is deporting illegal foreigners in America, just like he said. That will include illegals crossing the border illegally and foreign students or workers here illegally.
He is for legal immigration….. that includes a system of normal visas and temporary worker visas that don’t replace American jobs.
President Trump owns his campaign, his administration and the promises he has made across America in all of his rallies. All of his appointees serve at his will and must support his administration, including E&V.
On 11/5/24, President Trump’s MAGA / America First movement beat the globalist / communist democrat administration like a dirty rug. They lost big time.
As one of their last rear-guard-actions, they jumped on this E/V, no pun intended, dustup with all of the trolls they could muster……witness the CTH comment count of over 2,000, with hours to go.
What started out as an honest disagreement of opinion has mushroomed into a full blown intelligence agencies PsyOps against President Trump’s MAGA / America First movement.
It’s Saturday night, ….. time to give it a rest ….. and pop that IA PsyOps balloon, letting it fall back into the swamp.
Rip It Up
Elvis Presley
Elon and Vivek need to “give it a rest,” not us. The intelligence agencies didn’t force Elon to call us “retarded”, “racist,” and make that unhinged rant that Sundance screenshotted. The intelligence agencies didn’t force Vivek to call Americans too stupid and lazy to be employable. Elon and Vivek are 100% to blame for this mess with their disdainful tone. The only psy-op I see here are accounts telling us to shut up and quietly endure the insults coming from Elon and Vivek.
Compulsive Gardener.
Thanks for your comment.
This is a free country, you say what you want, when you want and where you want.
Have a great MAGA DAY.
Exactly-this is no harmless discussion among friends blown out of proportion. HB1 is a trip wire to the entire destructive web of immigration scams whose effect is/will be a reverse rust belt-with the same people being hurt and displaced. EM and VR have told us where they stand, what they stand for and what they will pursue- believe them.
Dont try to make any sense, because posters like this one below, will tell you that you must be mad, or sad, like them.
Dont be calm and objective. You must be angry!!!
😉 ..lol.
Then he’s a fool and is just slowing down the inevitable collapse of the US or us all living under a dictatorship.
I’ll give it a rest when I’m good and damn ready.
If you feel the need to go play by all means do so. But don’t tell the rest of us talky time is over because some cactus fool said so.
The irony is that while the tech guys are calling for workers who have superior education and ability to do these jobs, many public-school systems, including the ones in the heart of the tech industry like Seattle, WA, are pushing to eliminate advanced programs, because they don’t want anyone to stand out and make the other students feel bad.
I taught in an inner-city school system that had an advanced program which enabled kids of many different economic, social or racial groups to excel and go on to become doctors, lawyers, accountants, even engineers or whatever type of job they chose. It was a great program.
In their argument for H1B, Elon and Vivek could have acknowledged the harm American schools have caused the younger generation. They could have said, “We know the failing schools have let America down, but Trump will help get those students caught up. In the meantime, we have critical jobs that need to be filled.”
What Elon and Vivek chose instead is to smugly call us all “retarded,” blamed American sitcoms, and told us Americans are too stupid and lazy to be employed. They blamed us for our own government abuse and systemic discrimination. Their disrespectful tone is incredible revealing.
Their tone is the same as Liberals.
Vivek truly believes he and other Indians are superior to white and black Americans. We are beneath him.
Hi all. This site appears to be targeted due to subject matter. Do not despair or be discouraged. Trump is our President. He spoke on March
This site has been targeted due to subject matter. Don’t despair or be discouraged. Trump is President.
H1B hackers busy at work.
Pray. Stay focused.
Lots of angry new posters, or purists, that dont want to hear a calm or thoughtful response.
They want the place locked down, no one in, and everyone out. Or else!…lol… 😉
Evening Bob. Can’t say I don’t listen to thoughtful responses, but in regards to the purist aspect of your comment…
If by purist you mean someone who stands by their core beliefs and ideals and that won’t be swayed or compromise on critical issues to their nation or people – then sign me up.
Well then. In the immortal words of Lloyd Bridges, it looks like I definitely picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue. Fun being back in the Treehouse on the auspicious occasion of the great hb1 kerfuffle. Sundance, I’ll be hitting the donation button shortly to pay for my bandwidth lol
The ship is heading into a mine field!
Where is the Captain ?
Trump spoke with megyn Kelly in March 2016 on this very matter.
I believe Trump is just Punting the Ball, to give him a little time to digest what is going on. And it is the right move. Let it play out, and then after prayer and mediation respond to Elon and his “friends”. It seems like Elon took heavy duty drugs and “freaked out” and acted like a fool. Probably has a hangover today. 🙂
Trump is more even tempered since he doesn’t do drugs and alcohol.
Trump has this, and things like this happen all the time. Be ready for the roller-coaster ride for the next 4 years. I’m just glad I don’t have to deal with Elon. He is like a ticking time bomb. 🙂
p.s. as a joke … Does Elon want to go to MARS to get away from stupid humans. 🙂
rich,
You made some good points… President Trump has this… the E/V kerfuffle is just a bump in the road to MAGA.
The treasonous intelligence agencies fielding their last lineup of trolls are facing their VDC Day (Victory over DC) in less than a month.
Their treasonous past leaves no doubt that their future is dim as Constitutional law and order returns to the Executive Branch.
They’d best lawyer up before all the DC lawyers are either in jail or already committed to other traitors.
Trump came out in favor of Musk on this.
So, Trump gets shot, turns into a wuss and:
no more retribution
allows Vivek and Musk to insult us
continues H1B visa program
invites TechBro’s into White House to plot the surveillance state
Give me back the old Trump.
Reagan backed off a lot of stuff when he got shot. I’ve assumed Trump felt he had to make deals with tech guys and billionaires to get back in the Whitehouse, and figured it was worth it.
Who could blame him as he was facing prison and never-ending lawfare. He also is an older Boomer who believes a lot of things because of it. Things like the US needs foreign tech workers to stay competitive. As long as immigration is legal it’s not a problem without thought to who is coming, that we are overfull in terms of infrastructure, we don’t assimilate anymore, culture matters, etc.
I don’t think Trump’s position has changed at all. His stance on immigration and Americans first couldn’t be more bedrock solid – more than any other man in America … and not just saying it but moving mountains to actually do something about it.
Right on, Joe Dan
Trump is one of the original oligarchs.
ted kaczynski’s manifesto is concerned with the harm of a technological/industrial effect that would send social order and humanity into ruin.
He was both a mad man, but also someone who was not incorrect about what happens in the future when technocrats gain power over the lives of those who do not have the same kind of reciprocal powers and influence.
He warned that this devolution into the industrial state would happen because “the public” (*uninformed to the dangers of shifts in power to a small concentrated segment of society) would not understand the risks and threats and would welcome the new conveniences. However, as this power becomes more concentrated to a smaller and smaller number of people who control this power, fewer conveniences would develop compared to the increase in losses of more privacy, security and even simple human rights would occur. And unless halted, a human being would be reduced to nothing more than a number…not even recognized as a human being…but as some inefficient incapable resistance to some higher or more important goal.
Ted made his last significant contribution to this debate and argument by promising to stop the bombing if his manifesto was published. He held his end of the bargain when it was published.
Ted believed, as only a mad man could imagine it, that the ONLY WAY TO FORCE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA TO PUBLISH A WARNING ABOUT TECHNOCRATS was to kill people and then use that as a form of leverage in exchange for publishing that warning.
As so, today, we are reminded by the very words of Ted “the unibomber”…be warned about the path that technology and the technocrats that control it have in mind. They consider you LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE CHEAP LABOR THEY HIRE OUT OF INDIA TO WRITE CRAP CODE>
note: please, I do NOT encourage anyone to assume that I respect or advocate anything that Ted did …and certainly his murderous agenda to create public attention is unacceptable. But there is a truth that he believed in and there is sufficient evidence to believe that in 1995 he has a very clear idea of the consequences of what kind of world that we would have to navigate against the agenda of some very unsavory and godless anti-human technocrats who only have one aim: to becomes God’s.
be warned.
Elon is not your friend..
President Trump must realize this and soon and cut these people from his rails and stop giving them any more power…they will eff it up…guaranteed.
God Bless America
“We give up a piece of ourselves whenever we adjust to conform to society’s standards. That, and we’re too plugged in. We’re letting technology take over our lives, willingly.”
Ty regitiger.
The name “palantir” is also more than ironic if one knows Middle Earth lore and the background to Oxford around the time of Lewis & Tolkien were there
He was right. And his madness was not organic – he was experimented on with psychedelics.
Mk-Ultra like Whitey Bulger,Steve Flemmi, and Charles Manson?
this^^….most people make the mistake of translating champion as king. trump is our champion in this moment in time …we are the kings of our own destiny..the white horses that are we the people.
if a man says he gives up on maga because President Trump isn’t satisfactory, he does not understand MAGA AT ALL>
Long Soldier,
God Bless America
Suandance, to be fair, we need the data on salaries paid to the imports v salaries paid to native Americans.
I suggest you read through the entire thread and quit expecting to be spoon fed answers.
“Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it.”
THIS is what annoyed me the most. Those supposedly on our own side quickly saying anyone against whatever Ramaswamy said was just racism. Seriously? Why use such a leftist tactic so quickly? Is it because you know you cannot argue the facts in the face of years of known abuse of these programs? Even after evidence comes out showing what Trump did to force the TVA to reinstate Americans who were fired over H1B’s?
Many might agree that H1B visas can be helpful to resolve shortages, but don’t blow smoke up my azz and tell me entire companies forcing American employees to train their foreign replacements or lose their severance is NOT ABUSE!
While you’re at it, explain how DOGE became the Department of Getting Entry!
How about a tariff on “importing” foreign workers? Basic American doctrine – if it’s ok for steel, aluminum, and other commodities, why not labor?
I said, in other posts, that if these people they want to import are so danged important to the advancement of anything of any significance, the governments of their own country wouldn’t even let us know they existed. India is on a quest to become a world power, so, naturally, they would want to keep these best and brightest and would either not let them leave or would demand an appropriate sum for letting them go.
You can see where this could become like a tariff on them.
That said, I don’t like the idea. Human life is not a commodity, to be traded like, as you said, steel, aluminum, etc. Better to just say yes or no (mostly the latter, seeing as how this isn’t 1800-1900 anymore).
I would add one more step to Nicole Shanahan’s thoughtful list: the company hiring an H1-B visa holder MUST pay for all of that holder’s green card and citizenship applications and legal fees. This will help ensure that labor cost is not the driving factor in the company’s hiring decision, and it will promote the H1-B holder’s acculturation into our American way of life.
My approval rating of Elon Musk just dropped from 92 to just under 1, simply from reading this one statement. That was nasty and uncalled for.
The histrionics over this issue is unbelievable. The MAGA movement has now turned on its Lord and Savior, Donald Trump.
Treehouse commenters have turned on Trump and others in his administration. Some of the comments are disgusting.
Trump approves of H-1B visas. He said so in 2016 in an interview with Megyn Kelly.
The deep state, the Left and the Democrats are trying to drive a wedge between Trump and Musk. They are trying to create divisiveness in the MAGA movement.
People need to calm down and think logically instead of getting your knickers twisted.
You are being played.
Seems like Musk is driving the wedge all by himself.
For what seems like the umteenth time:
Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, DJT is our President. Got it?
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Musk means nothing. We voted for Trump. Musk has by his own doing become a millstone, get rid of him.
I don’t want to speak for anyone else here but my Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ not Donald Trump.
It’s not so much the stance on visas that bothers me (though it does) it’s the attitude these pricks have about America and its actual citizens.
That’s what I want Trump to address more than the visa issue
I would expect him to make a stand for us – that he hasn’t done so says something about him.
He has lost my respect – it’s that simple.
Policy issues are one thing but having people trash talk Americans while advocating (forcefully) for the replacement of American workers is deserving of commentary from the president-elect who gave them a role to supposedly make America great again.
Like it or not he’s choosing a side, and he doesn’t seem to be choosing the people who voted for him, and instead choosing the exact same type of people we voted for him to keep out of our government.
Still waiting to see what he has to add but I suspect he’s more interested in not offending the billionaire dipshits than he is the working class he claims to support.
We’ll see…
I doubt Trump will reply-he has Gates coming to Mar Largo.
The choke hold will be complete. We MAGA must bust it up.