Abandoned by his father to a troubled single mother; eventually raised by grandparents. He is then recruited from an Ivy league law school by shadow figures, a specific billionaire and a network of interests. He changes his name, writes a book about his life story, and with the support of the aforementioned – who eventually pays for the assembly of a strategic campaign influence network, becomes a Senator for 2 years before being quickly elevated into position in the White House.
Many people reading that paragraph would be familiar with the life story of Barack Hussien Obama. However, that paragraph also explains the right-side version of the exact same storyline, James David Vance. It’s a mirror.
On one side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the left. On the other side of the UniParty mirror we have an emotionally constructed political figure for the right. Each person, each emotional narrative, carrying the specific nuances to appeal to their wing of the UniParty audience. However, both are following the same playbook.
It started with a conversation several weeks ago. Who is JD Vance and where did he come from?
How does a person without any baseline in politics, not a council member, not a mayor, not a state rep – or state senate, governor etc., become a U.S. Senator and then quickly get into the White House?
What I was told sounded eerily familiar.
JD Vance was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio (August 2, 1984). He then changed his name to James David Bowman. He then changed his name to James David Hamel. Eventually, in 2014, notably after Yale Law School (class of 2013) and after marrying his wife Usha, now age 30, he changed his name to write a book.
It was 2014, that’s when JD Vance was born.
Vance’s book, Hillbilly Elegy was published by Rupert Murdoch’s publishing house, Harper Collins in 2016. The book was made into a Netflix movie, [Reed Hastings] created by Imagine Entertainment and directed by Ron Howard (2020). However, the interesting background on JD Vance goes back to Yale, and the Obamaesque tap on the shoulder that comes from a billionaire most are familiar with, Peter Thiel.
Thiel first recruited Vance into his circle while Vance was still a student at Yale Law School. Shortly thereafter, Vance joined Thiel’s investment firm Mithril Capital, where he worked for two years before joining Revolution Ventures. Vance played a major role in Revolution’s “Rise of the Rest” seed fund whose major investors included Amazon’s Jeff Bezos. {Citation}
JD Vance then launched his own venture capital firm Narya Capital in 2020, using startup money from both Peter Thiel and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.
From this timeline we can see how JD Vance went from no money (student loans) in 2013, to big money in 2020. Everything came via Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt, but mostly Thiel.
To understand JD Vance as an Ohio senator, the inflection points in 2013 and the subsequent relationship with billionaire Peter Thiel (Palantir Technologies) from 2013 to now, becomes important.
Billionaires Eric Schmidt and Peter Thiel are key members of the steering committee of the controversial, closed-door and overtly globalist Bilderberg conference. Newsweek once called Schmidt and Thiel the two most influential figures at Bilderberg.
Peter Thiel’s company Palantir Tech is the driving force of a global surveillance system using artificial intelligence (AI). Palantir has massive contract interests in US military and intelligence communities.
Keep in mind, Palantir is the current company creating the tech mechanisms for the U.S government to conduct foreign and domestic surveillance. The actual technology needed by the Deep State to advance their interests, is provided by Peter Thiel. {Citation}
According to the popular narrative, JD Vance opposes the Intelligence Community deep surveillance state, while simultaneously being the political front for the interests of Peter Thiel and Palantir Technology? This doesn’t reconcile.
Peter Thiel was the money and network behind the 2022 Ohio senate race between JD Vance and Tim Ryan. It was Peter Thiel who took JD Vance to meet President Trump in Mar-a-Lago to get the needed endorsement to launch Vance into the U.S. Senate. Without Thiel there is no Senator JD Vance.
It is also important to remember that prior to 2018; prior to Peter Thiel becoming aligned with the FBI as a confidential human source, and prior to Vance needing the Trump endorsement; JD Vance was a staunch never-Trumper.
JD Vance went from calling President Trump “a literal Hitler,” to appreciating Trump’s incredible leadership, a remarkable shift in opinion. To his strategic credit, Peter Thiel was successful in gaining both the endorsement and the outcome of the 2022 Ohio senate race.
Within the Thiel network you will note the aligned interests of another key financial friend and big federal contractor, Elon Musk. Together, Musk and Thiel form the core of a very wealthy group of modern tech political influence agents, including another Yale Law School graduate and JD Vance supporter, Vivek Ramaswamy.
JD Vance even named one of his three children Vivek; suffice to say, they are close.
What you have read so far is the background of how one billionaire, Thiel, deeply enmeshed in the surveillance state creates the process to construct a political tool useful for the retention of his interests. A few dozen millions are a worthy investment if the investment creates and supports the objectives of the billionaire (Palantir Technology).
Unfortunately, this approach also diminishes the Trump policy objective intended to eliminate the IC deep state.
As an outcome of a control network in 2006 Senator Barack Obama was successfully installed. As an outcome of a control network in 2022 Senator JD Vance was successfully installed. Both Barry Sotero (Obama) and James Bowman (Vance) are mirror images of each other; the playbooks used to create both are identical.
We have exhaustively outlined the UniParty operation in Washington DC. What was once a radical concept and controversial, is now accepted as factual. Additionally, we have outlined the how the Fourth Branch of Government was created under Obama. What was once conspiracy theory is now accepted as the truth.
Once you understand how both wings of the UniParty operate you can then see how the system of silo creation, retention and protection works.
The Obama network ultimately led to the modern IC surveillance state. The Vance network now appears to be positioned to retain it.
Like an abuser toward the abused, our ideological enemy uses our virtues of love and trust as weapons. We are in an abusive relationship with government.
♦ ALL IS NOT LOST – In everything that happens, the geopolitical power players -including the Intelligence Community- have what are called “strategic interests.” Meaning, they plan out their future position based on current events (data), pathways and predictions.
Some of these power structures are, putting it mildly, not good. In fact, they are eroding liberty, freedom and making us serfs. We feel it daily.
In order to best weaken them and/or make them more vulnerable, you put them into a position where they cannot strategize the future because they cannot confirm a data point in their pathway.
Having a known 2028 U.S. presidential nominee gives them the ability to plan for it. They are able to make moves to get beyond the 2024 to 2028 challenges they face; they look toward who they will be faced with as an opponent in ’28.
From that position, they conduct enemy operations against Trump’s strategy…. they essentially plan to outlast him, ignore him, put on a mask when they talk to him etc.
President Trump, making it known who will be the ’28 nominee actually gives his opposition power. Essentially makes Trump’s position less strong.
Had Trump selected a “one-term” running mate (I don’t care who it would have been), the opposition would not know what to expect in 2028. They are then forced to focus every day on what Trump is doing now. That opposition cannot look forward (proactive), they are forced to react. They are kept vulnerable.
Do you want your enemies planning, or do you want them reacting to the unknown variables?
Do you want them focused on your attack, or do you want them brushing you off as irrelevant in the longer term?
Do you want them on their heels each day/week as they try to figure out what you are doing…. or do you want them to know the destination ahead, regardless of the daily or weekly policy moves?
By selecting a VP nominee that will be the 2028 presidential nominee (what 90% of short-sighted people wanted), Trump can give greater power to the ideological enemy.
For the next four years, the deep state at home and geopolitical enemy abroad, must not know what they will face in the future.
From that position of potential vulnerability, they are forced to focus on daily events and counterstrategies, while unable -by design- to compromise the future opponent.
I never resign Trump to a failed position, as long as there is a way to turn a necessary decision into a winning and more powerful position.
The problem of Peter Thiel, his network and the potential problem JD Vance represents can be dealt with.
President Donald J Trump makes it very well known, and constantly reminds people for 3 years, that if JD Vance sucks, flinches, is inept or doesn’t follow orders, then JD Vance doesn’t get the 2028 endorsement. Thankfully, I saw the first indications of this last night during President Trump’s acceptance speech at the RNC Convention.
For Trump supporters and all supporters of the goal to deconstruct the worst and most toxic elements of the Deep State, we must support that tenuous 2028 endorsement message. After all, we are expecting Vance to uphold actionable policies against the interests of his benefactors.
Those benefactors and the aligned Vance influence network includes Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg, Vivek Ramaswamy and of course, many more.
I don’t care about anything that happened prior to that 2013 inflection point, the tap on the shoulder at Yale. James Donald Bowman, aka JD Vance’s background construct as lived or as sold is irrelevant to me. We do not have the time to be emotionally attached to any individual. We need actionable results.
We are not going to be battered conservatives, pushed yet again into the position of Charlie Brown to Lucy’s deep state, ‘trust the plan‘ football. The trust account of the American electorate is bankrupt. Corruption is running amok.
The threat to JD Vance’s political career must be actual, loud and repeated often to keep the toxic IC and domestic Silo operators guessing. While simultaneously, every righteous attack takes down a small IC silo segment like a bite out of an elephant.
We accept that this approach is going to make Peter Thiel, JD Vance and the entire Thiel/Musk network quite unhappy.
Tough!
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If Trump took the bullet Vance and Youngkin would be running the GOp today. Headless MAga would be wedged from the police (they allowed Trump to get shot) and no we would be heading into global civil war
You know who else Vance reminds me of?
Abe Limcoln
What better person to run the Global Civil War than a fake redneck corporate lawyer backed by Palantir and Carlye Group
I believe Vance had not been formally named as Trump’s running mate before the shooting. Correct me if I am wrong.
Ergo Vance would be one of a group of many without any special powers.
Correct. They would have picked RDS or Haley as ‘they’ originally planked.
Wasn’t it convenient that Haley got a last minute invitation to the convention just before the attempt on Trump?
I don’t agree with this. Yes, Trump has made poor personnel choices in the past and this could turn out to be as well but…. no way Trump would have chosen DeDouche or Nimrod-a as running mate if no attempt on life. Who is the “They” you refer to?
RNC
BK, didn’t notice I was replying to you. I generally agree with and enjoy your posts. I would have been a little more polite.
I do believe PDJT & his close circle of associates wanna to restore Constitutional Republic which ended 1871..current actors in my view are temporally…my feeling Vance too..road to restore CR since nov.1963 been bloody with attempts on life of presidents and killing JFK…. many commenters are dissapointed ..understable but VSGPDJT got to do it Machiavelli way…which is very “twisted” if he want achievement-CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC…..real currency(silver backed as JFK wanted) ..no more war/color etc….
That’s what I’m hoping for also.
Wow! You’re right! Abe Lincoln was put in by the oligarchs of that day to keep the South from developing its own manufacturing economy using the same playbook of what the British did to America before and during the Revolutionary War. Mel Gibson’s movie “The Patriot” depicts the brutal tactics used by that awful Brit who burned the civilian settlers out. Sherman did the exact same thing. Lincoln was inaugurated in March. He was in office less that 6 weeks before he provoked the Ft. Sumper incident. His handlers told him it would be a short war. They didn’t count on southern grit and determination. Sad that so many died and suffered bc of corporate greed. Then the cover-up by rewriting history to blame the South.
Conversely, the GOP was founded as the anti-slavery party. Thank God Almighty.
Racine Wisconsin, birthplace of the Republican Party.
When will we learn the facts about Racine?
Patience, patience, patience
Meantime:
Fight, fight, fight!!!!
Y’all ignorant ones need to get it through your head that no cracker, ridge- runner or hillbilly is going to get up off of his front porch and go fight and die for a handful of plantation owners. Northern oligarchs pushed that war on the South to keep the South a subjugated supplier of raw materials to the northern factories. God forbid that the South should start their own point of use manufacturing.
Slavery was a ginned up ruse used by the paid for northern media to keep the conflict going bc the northern public was tired of the war and wanted it stopped.
Actually, the worst of the republicans ruled Congress with an iron hand and were called the radical republicans. Their actions were so vicious and cause so much unnecessary suffering in the South. After the war, they were the number one reason why so many southerners were democrats for over a century. It was people’s belief and trust in the outlier, Ronald Reagan, and the moral decay and decline of the democrat party that started to turn the tide back towards the republican party that we have today. It’s like the republican and democrat parties met in midstream, swapped out their demons and moved on.
That’s a pretty fair assessment. The back door tax tariff on cheaper, better quality goods to the South to subsidize Northern interests was another factor.
Yeah, like cotton which the slaves produced. I get that there were other reasons for the war, but the South provided a huge reason for the war by keeping the institution of slavery.
I understand the concept of people defending their own states, but slavery had to end.
Naah. It’s entertaining!
Good Will Hunting relocated to a different war – for us “ignorant ones”.
The South owned slaves. The North did not. The South was rich due to slavery. Any idiot can see that fact.
75-80% of Southern whites did not own slaves.
The overwhelming majority of the wealth was concentrated in a small percentage of slave owners.
Slavery also caused a disparate impact on non-slave holding whites economically by causing an unfair advantage in employment or business success having to compete with slave owners and their enslaved labor.
Yet, those same non slave holding whites fought against the North.
Why?
History is a lot different than what academic teaches sometimes and is always written by the Victor’s.
And you’re calling someone an idiot??
BK, wasn’t the percentage of white non slave owners higher?
I’m not sure it was higher, porbably much lower, but IIRC my studies, it did exist and there were Indians (native Americans) and Free Blacks that also owned slaves, but I think they’re percentages were lower.
And for a time, existed in small quantities up North before the Revolution.
Also, relatively unknown, was that besides indentured inservitude for white immigrants, that it was legal for whites to be enslaved for a brief period of time until sometime in the late 1600s / early 1700s until a case in the Virgina colony outlawed it. But I don’t think the numbers were significant nor can I remember off the top of my head the year and name of the legal case.
Contrary to what is promoted about the Emancipation Proclamation, slavery was not legally outlawed until the 13th Amendment. And even after the EP, slavery was still legal in Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware until the 13th was passed.
Not to mention that the North used White immigrant children for slave wages . And the history of how Southern Whites were treated by Blacks after the Civil War is never discussed and banned from academia.
Yes, during Reconstruction with and backed by Northern capertbagers.
Funny you should bring that up.
I’m originally from mid state Georgia and the county I grew up in was rural until I became a young adult.
While there were many prominent local families in the 3-4 country area from where I was from, almost all of the richest and most powerful (bankers, judges) were from carpetbagger ancestry. The majority of their surnames did not exist in those counties or the surrounding areas until the 1870 or 1880 censuses.
Ahh, ok. Interesting. Civil war buff and always thought the extreme focus on slavery as the sole issue for War was wrong. Just read biography on Stonewall. And Constitutionally the South had the legal right to secede.
Cheers
If you want to see a contemporary view from someone living at the time from the South, a journalist named E A Pollard wrote a book at the conclusion of the Civil War called the Lost Cause.
It is literally where the phrase came from.
The first 20-25% of the book is the historical, legal, political, economic and cultural elements that led to the war.
It is well cited from the time and is an eye opener.
Not some modern day academic trying to explain their view and spin one way or the other, but an eye witness journalist from that era.
I will check it out. Thx
Thank you for having a brain.
For the glory of Southern culture!
O, I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old times there are not forgotten
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land where I was born in
Early on one frosty mornin’
Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
Chorus:
O, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I’ll take my stand
To live and die in Dixie
|: Away, away, away down south in Dixie! 😐
Better than believing Elon the Magnificent if a white hat!
All of the Northern states had legal slavery twenty years before the Revolution. Most of them gradually phased it out by 1810.
Your history lesson of the day.
Oh, yes the North did.
I get that there was other reasons, but for God’s sake, people were not meant to own other people. Lincoln prayer that the Union was on the side of God, I believe they were.
Well….you know…..99% of Germans did not participate in running concentration camps. Even though it was policy of the German state.
Somehow, I believe the logical property (universality) of a moral principle has been lost in this discussion. Percentages, in such a discussion, are a distractor – at least for we ignorant ones.
Multiple factors led to the Civil War (economic, religious, abolitionist, etc.). Lest anyone forget, before Lincoln was inaugurated, seven Southern states seceded to form the Confederacy.
I am willing to buy into the idea that historical reconstruction has been a prominent feature of much historical analysis; that the South was more complex, in its ideas, than “slavery good”. That said, I won’t fall for the con part of Confederacy that the South was just another innocent culture forced to submit to Colonialist subjugation by really mean, profit at all costs, capitalist industrialists – which is the jist of the message here.
Slavery was an issue with longer standing than the immediate years leading into the Civil War. The founding fathers recognized it as a problem but nevertheless had to negotiate the matter out of Constitutional considerations in order to achieve buy-in from the Southern States (for the creation of the Union/Republic). It was inherent in the Declaration of Independence and the principles underlying the Constitution that slavery was eventually going to have to be ended. Abolitionism, States’ nullification rights, etc., were prominent features of the political landscape for many years leading into the Civil War.
I think people are saying that there were factors other than just slavery as the root cause for the Civil War. You’ve noted this I see. Very well written post. I disagree with what you call the “jist of the messages.”
Perhaps there is a degree of frustration that shows because we have all been force fed the accepted truth in biased history books. North Good, South really really really bad.
One. Thanks for a temperate, balanced response!
Two. Not trying to be argumentative and will let it go after this (i.e., there are bigger Deep State fish to fry): “Northern oligarchs pushed that war on the South to keep the South a subjugated supplier of raw materials to the northern factories.” That’s basically what Colonialism is. It’s a declarative that Colonialism was the prime (and only) mover for the Civil War. That simply isn’t accurate.
In the event, the Pretty Please post was in response to a claim about the birth of the Republican Party – the discussion kinda drifted off from there.
It is interesting, however, where his discussion leads in respect to the current political and cultural predicament, is it not?
Federalism and States’ rights.
Secession.
My head hurts! The political magnetic poles have shifted 180 degrees!
Nice chat sir. Enjoy your weekend.
The South were agricultural producers and don’t believe they were going to develop a similar manufacturing economy as the North. Abe Lincoln was elected President long before Sherman’s march to the sea , which was done to ensure the South was not going to rebel again.
False.
Lincoln’s second election victory in 1864 in Novemeber was in doubt until Sherman conquered Atlanta with the signature battle of Jonesboro at the end of August / early Septmeber 1864. The March to the Sea began around November 1864 and ended with a “Christmas gift” of the city of Savannah in 1864.
Victory in Atlanta secured the election of Lincoln in 1864 as a large percentage of Northerners wanted to end the war and were supporting McClellan’s presidential campaign.
Sherman then turned north and swept thru South Carolina towards Columbia destroying everything is sight as bad as or worse than the Georgia countryside.
I can see that with the second election. It did end the war quicker.
How can you call it rebellion when the South used the constitutionally approved way to secede from the union. So who was the actual aggressor here? The north.
“The War of Northern Aggression”. My family was Union with Union soldiers and I’m from a long line of Republicans and my grandmother had a big picture of Lincoln in her photo album. We considered it a rebellion. My great-great grandmother had to hide her horse in the woods during Morgan’s Raid in Ohio.
Moreover, if it was only a rebellion and not a ‘recognized’ polity, then why did those states have to be “readmitted” into the Union?
Another little factoid, a Northern state threatened to secede circa 1814, Massachusetts I believe, and the other states were like ‘OK, go ahead.’
Funny how that’s never mentioned.
OMG. The South owned human beings and treated them like animals.
The northern capitalists ran horrible factories that were not heaven sent.
And were being subsidized by tariffs on products being imported by the South due to the quality and limited quantity of desired or needed products.
A backdoor tax on one region to subsidize crony capitalism in another.
Read The South Was Right, by James Ronald Kennedy and Walter Donald Kennedy. It is on its 3rd edition. It really opened my eyes. Many, many footnotes. I have passed this to countless people, and they have been amazed at what has been taught about the CW is untrue.
Got the first edition on my book shelf.
But, thanks.
This message came too late to probably be read by you or G’s Mom but I really enjoy conversations about this topic. With folks who understand that the South wasn’t without cause for seceding. Only every blue moon does it happen.
You might find this interesting. Reading a book about the war and it described the rebel yell. Well, I had a thought and googled rebel yell. Found a recording made 50 or so years after war at commemoration ceremony for Confederate veterans. The MC got these old timers to do the yell. Man, if these 100 graybeards barking and yipping didn’t make the hair standup on the back of your neck. Imagine what it must have been like to have a brigade of 20 to 30 year olds charging at you and making this sound. Cheers
Two books to read now, thanks
They still run horrible factories.
No doubt, but would you rather be literally owned by a person or work in crappy factory.
The Northern States were horribly discriminatory against blacks. They may have been ‘free’ in word but ….
Don’t let your focus on one truth blind you to the intricacies of the whole story.
The north treated the people who worked in their factories, including the children, worse than animals.
That’s irrefutably accurate. Yup, capitalism, which is inextricably linked to government based on individual choice/freedom (relative to all alternatives), can be exceedingly damaging when unbounded. The bounding piece of the equation can go too far as well – life’s a ….. One avenue MAGA is working diligently to repair.
But who was it that eventually responded (legislatively) to the egregious conditions for working class/immigrants in NYC? Who led the battle in the late 19th and early 20th century to shape anti-trust law? Who responded to negligent Northern based oligarchs/monopolists constructing dams (for their country club no less) known to have weaknesses that inevitably burst and killed thousands?
In which part of our American world was segregation pushed as a piece of actual political platforms? Where were the racially motivated lynchings most prominent throughout the 20th century? In which states did the KKK form partnerships with police departments and governors in opposition to the civil rights movement? We know the history. We know force had to be used to clean up that mess.
Northern tier states? Was there tacit/actual racism? H*** yes. But as a matter of public policy it was attacked. That battle still persists – large Northern urban areas anyone? Bueller?
The problem with Northern states (and states like CA, OR that fall under the same political umbrella) is not in addressing important social issues. The problem with Northern states is that in so doing a virulent form of Progressivism/Socialism has taken root that has unbalanced the intended Constitutional relationships between the individual and government; between individual sovereignty and government control; between centralized/authoritarian rule and Article 1, Section 8. Between observing the Constitution and subverting it.
If the discussion here leads to moral equivocation, count me out. Problems occur in all walks of life. What matters is what is done about it. Is it Constitutional? Who acts? What is done? Are the solutions better (in a moral and Constitutional sense) than status quo ante? If not better, are they corrected? Do they ultimately derive from the Will of the People within the context of how our gov’t is set up? The doing part counts most. That’s why PDJT, warts and all, is loved by millions; supported by millions more.
What is the history behind the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments?
The South was morally culpable before, during and after the Civil War. It did not lead the march after the Civil War toward civil rights for all. It did not act until forced. That is the seminal difference morally.
Oh that’s alright because oligarchs or something/s.
A corollary to that concept.
I once had a business friend who told a mutual friend that that was how he felt about me. I said nothing.
I am now watching his empire crumble, for he never recognized his real enemy lived inside his own skin.
My perspective is there is little hope for the world to NOT be transformed by globalization. Trump, to me, offers a big break pedal. A way to approach the changes that are occurring in our country in a thoughtful way. Too many of our citizens are falling on the wrong side of this change and are feeling the pressure. If you follow the left, it is full steam ahead without any thought of what happens to our unique culture and the glaring reality of a diminished lifestyle. I choose the brake pedal.
The Bible states very clearly that it is coming, so why would you doubt it?
And, by the way, if you haven’t read Revelation, let me assure you that you DO NOT want to be a citizen of that global government. Trust Jesus TODAY to save you from hell on Earth and hell for eternity.
I’m not religious, but I agree with the Bible passage that says, and I paraphrase, Satan rules the world. Why? Because Satanic evil is a major part of human nature and is victorious FAR too often.
If you believe that Satan rules the world, as predicted in the Bible, maybe you should take a look at what else the Bible has to say.
God is sovereign. This is part of his plan and everything is coming closer to perfection – God even uses evil man’s free will to enact His ultimate will. All thing work together for his glory.
there is little hope for the world to NOT be transformed by globalization
Agree 100%.
Trump, to me, offers a big break pedal.
A temporary one, assuming he’s actually elected. They’re lining up the Biden/Harris replacements (Newsom/???) now courtesy of their planned early debate trap allowing the “great reveal” to their gaslit rank and file of the actual senility of Biden and the resulting green light to their MSM lapdogs to do the same. As Sundance has said, they only need to get within a poll figure range allowing a credible win via the steal.
But a temporary brake pedal or, as I call him, Speed Bump Trump is better than none.
Here’s what would be required for permanent political change for the better which will never happen even with a collapse due to our dumbed down political idiocracy that can’t even spell “Constitution” let alone know what’s in it or know how it has already been compromised:
Only a Collapse and Total Reboot Can Fix Our Bloated Government System
NOVEMBER 14, 2016
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tony-corvo/2016/11/14/only-a-collapse-and-total-reboot-can-fix-our-bloated-government-system-n48938
Excerpt:
Conservatives keep voting for candidates thinking that they will fix the bugs, but let’s look at what this approach would take. In one form or another we will have to:
1) Elect at least a generation of conservative supermajorities in both chambers of congress. They have to be supermajorities because parliamentary rules allow for political minority actions to stop simple majority legislation.
2) We will have to elect a string of conservative presidents to work with the conservative congresses. We can’t have activist presidents who govern by executive actions in order to bypass congress.
3) True constitutionalists must be nominated and approved to the Supreme Court.
4) Conservatives will have to control at least 37 state legislatures, because sooner or later we will need to make constitutional amendments.
Winston, number four is unnecessary. The Constitution and the original ten Amendments are all that are needed. Every Amendment after the tenth has been a burden upon the citizenry and placed yokes around our necks.
…steps off soapbox…
“Every Amendment after the tenth has been a burden upon the citizenry and placed yokes around our necks.”
Which proves why #4 is necessary. The only way to remove a bad amendment is to pass another one that repeals it.
Yep… and i think that somehow they would need to find a way to get the dark money out of the system. The elite wealth have the financial power beyond belief. Unfortunately the types of people that seek political power are susceptible to being corrupted. No country that has reached the level of corruption that our country is at can likely come out of it.
What a brilliant idea – give the WEF and globalists EXACTLY that which they so fervently desire, a complete collapse and reset. An idea so stupid as to be beyond description and one which ignores those who would drive the structure of what would come afterwards as well as the chaos and damage it would bring, much like those who pine for a constitutional convention of states as has been pushed by Soros.
Corporate Globalization is solely for consolidating power into the hands of the few.
Look at the Dem. Party. It is all about the power from Division.
Considering that the Universalists’s plan is to depopulate the planet by 90% before 2030, I’ll take the brakes route, too.
Yikes
Per Sundance’s comments this morning “From that position, they conduct enemy operations against Trump’s strategy…. they essentially plan to outlast him, ignore him, put on a mask when they talk to him etc.”
Yep, that is what the people behind the curtain have been doing for years. The people behind the Uni-Party are all about controlling the political power structure so they can continue to feather their nests.
This isn’t anything new, but it is getting increasingly worse and likely will continue to do so.
I still don’t really KNOW who the “they” actually are.
“They” are comprised primarily of multigenerational bloodlines of families which stretch back centuries.
Word has it that “The Hidden Hand” was finally caught by NSA …. the “We Have It ALL” folks ……
God is OBVIOUSLY in control, and be assured at the Divinity has NO handlers
That was always in the cards when what one sees is a 78 year old man.
The real take-away here, if anyone is interested, is why weren’t the next phalanx of Trump/MAGA leadership for America identified, groomed, and empowered years ago? Who shoulders that responsibility?
This near fatal assassination 13 August has finally surfaced a huge, huge, huge failing. From where I sit the failing remains in place. Nothing has changed when viewed from that perspective. Leadership needs to nip this one in the bud pronto. Tackle the problem before it grows more visible to all parties.
Is it really the “virtues of love and trust” they use against people or is it purposeful obtuseness, willful ignorance, and a need to vitue signal?
It seems to me that anyone paying attention to politics would realize you don’t get to run for senate let alone get elected unless you are compromised. The parties control who gets on the ballot and a senate seat can cost a billion dollars.
Vance going straight to the senate is so obviously wrong that you have to be willfully ignorant not to see it.
I stated that Vance was a phony and was attacked on CTH because he was a marine – how is it possible to still fall for that given what Milley, Kelly, Vindman, etc. did to Trump? It isn’t possible unless you need to signal some sort of right-wing virtue.
I’d also put forth (something I said about Obama for years): Why in a country of over 200 million people would a person with the troubled family background/personal life be elevated to president? It may sound cruel but people with family histories like Obama, Vance, Bill Clinton have a lot of emotional baggage that doesn’t need to be in the Whitehouse or in charge of the nuclear football.
Ask yourself if you would want you daughter to marry someone with Obama’s family and life story or Vance’s or Clinton’s – I would not as they are not a good bet and have some questionable relatives so why are you going to let them in the Whitehouse?
It is a clear indictment of that failed reasoning to believe people are condemned by their parents, hobbled by circumstances, not of their choosing, and cannot rise above and be better people.
You are wrong.
They are broken and vulnerable and don’t have a solid sense of confidence and self…they are therefore easily manipulated…and they are vulnerable to anyone who provides this to them…money and fame are excellent tools in this regard.
Exceptions prove the rule.
“Infiltration” works both ways
Are you lumping Dr. Ben Carson into the phony pot? I thought we conservatives want to lift everyone up – so if you have a poor background you’re suspect?
Ben Carson comes from a good mother – it has nothing to do with income or family wealth. But people with lots of Mama’s boyfriends, stepdaddies, and parental abandonment have serious trauma.
If you are going to have one president or VP out of 250 million people why them?
I’d put forth that it’s strange how similar the grooming stories are for BO, Bill and Vance. How was fatherless, poor, hick Billy Clinton sitting next to blue-blooded George H W Bush as a teenager?
A little on the snobbish side, right?
No honest about how parents bad decisions affect children.
And realistic enough to know that the “we came over on the Mayflower” Bushes would never be innocently dining with a 17 year old, poor kid from Arkansas that goes on to one day be president and BFFs with George Jr. Life isn’t a fairytale and certainly not when Papa Bush was the chief spook.
And Trump is too clueless to know this?
He trusted Sessions, Barr, and Pence.
It’s not beyond the realm of possibility to think he IS too clueless to recognize another Judas.
I totally agree!
So why in the hell isn’t he reading what has been called the best, truly smart conservative hangout – THIS SITE?
And, pray tell, how do you factually know that he doesn’t read this forum? Indeed, it’s possible he actually actively participates!
Think “6 ways from Sunday.”
Hmm, let’s count.
Backstabbing personnel.
Liberal family.
Porn stars.
Liberal judges.
Deep State SS.
Wannabe assassins.
He’s had his six and is still standing. Shame these globalist assholes can’t give him a break.
He brought them from out from the dark corners where they were hidden from the general public ….. and he thrust them into the light …. directly into the CENTER STAGE where they and their evil deeds are illuminated for all to see
Fair Point. But. Trump had yet to experience the sewer know as Washington, D.C.
Jesus trusted Judas. Are you saying the Jesus is a moron like Trump?
Jesus didn’t trust Judas. He told him to his face that he would betray him.
Jesus had a job to do and did it, after asking his father to take the cup away.
It wasn’t idiocy, it was loyalty to God’s plan with the knowledge that his actions would save souls from Hell.
Trump is not on the same level.
Jesus knew that Judas was a snake and still let him in. So, perhaps PDJT KNOWS about Vance and still let him in.
He brought them CENTER STAGE to educate the snoozing public
The scarry part…How did they push this high, fast one past PDJT? Unless there is something else in play in PT’s mind. At this point, I have no idea.
Trump is not our saviour….no one at the federal level is or can be at this point. We must promote States Rights. We must promote “nullification” as per the U.S. Constitution. The States must nullify any/all unconstitutional federal laws.
We need to get back to the Constitution….and enforce it at the state level.
From a MAGA perspective, I would call Vance our 2020 Biden. Use him for one term, then get rid of him. Happy to get the knives out before Thanksgiving.
And who is up and coming that is 100% MAGA ?
That is what we have to decide. MAGA post Trump.
If we believe that but by the grace of God our President Trump is alive today after the assassin’s bullet missed and by extension his every step is protected by angels of the Lord, how does that comport with JD Vance being a Judas, a demon like Mike Thirty Pence?
1) Is President Trump stupid?
2) Is President Trump an installed distraction while they usher in the Great Reset?
3) Or, to get the RNC to back your candidacy you have to accept their number two, like a GHW Bush with Reagan or Pence?
4) Or is God in control?
Answer: #4 with a little #3 mixed in.
The RNC/DNC with their TV shows like The Republican National Convention is completely scripted hooey to sell their pre-scripted uniparty narratives…fraud.
That being said, last night in President Trump’s acceptance speech he stated clearly that the “green” initiatives are fraud and went directly at EV’s Electric Vehicles all as boondoggles killing off the auto industry in America and stated “Drill Baby Drill” (Sarah Palin) how does that line up with a Carbon Tax?
Do I trust JD Vance? …about as far as I can spit. Do I trust President Trump? …with every fiber of my being?
“If not President Trump then who?”
Well said
I’ll take #3 exclusively.
Bow to The Blob as the brilliant Mike Benz calls it which is the ACTUAL GOVERNMENT or you will suffer, as dear Chuck has said, “Six ways from Sunday.”
Which then directly supports my Speed Bump Trump comment above.
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God is always in control. What he allows is only for his glory. Read the book of Job.
As for Vance. Sundance’s analysis is the first real outline of Vance I have read. I will trust God and not man. I have trust Trump has a plan, because there is no way he got this far with the amount of attacks to not see deep into Vance. Keeping your enemies close is about all I can read about Vance. If we think Vance is a snake then I would suppose Trump will think in the same way. But God only knows.
Lastly, I agree with Sundance, if they are off balance every day for 4 years they will get more and more demonstrative. I will be real and think the swamp can be drained, but there is still a mucky muddy bottom that creatures can still slither though. Lest you move a mountain and drop it into the swamp the Evil One will still slither about.
Matthew 21:21-22 NKJV
So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done. [22] And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
#4 is the ultimate reality.
Reagan said something similar on reigning in the deficit. “If not now, then when…… If not us, then who?”
We’ve got the guy we all wanted; we almost lost him a week ago. Get behind him, the battle is now.
We march with what we’ve got, not what we wish we had.
Nothing is perfect.
DJT would never sell us out, because to do so he’d have to sell himself out, and that will never happen.
Sundance,
When they announced Vance, I think I read in one of your X posts, in a reply to someone else, that you promised yourself you would wait until Friday to say anything.
I’d been looking forward to this post and I can understand not posting this during the convention (rain on the parade etc.) but my question is why not post this prior to the convention and VP announcement? (If you did post pieces of this previously and I missed it, I apologize.)
I’m not criticizing, I’m just curious about the thought process you went through and I’m sure you had a good reason.
Thanks.
He did several rundowns on the “frontrunners” to the VP pick prior to the announcement.
I think a lot of people held back when Trump said his pick would not be someone spoken about in media and that it would surprise. Frankly I found that disingenuous, since Vance WAS openly discussed as a frontrunner and the only surprise was that he picked a globalist choice.
Thanks, I’ll go back and search for those. I just don’t remember this much detail about Vance.
My memory really isn’t what it used to be which in all honesty has me starting to get a little concerned. (Result of age or something worse?)
If you like herbs, increase sage and rosemary in your diet. Ashwagandha is good too for stress and cognitive function. 🙂
Thanks!
I went back and looked…the original post Sundance made for potentials was wiped and replaced with Vance as the choice.
“globalist choice”? You need to try reading stuff from places other than this site. Vance was opposed by the globalists.
“Senator J.D. Vance is both a staunch critic of the aid to Ukraine and more isolationist than Donald Trump, writes the Welt Editorial Board”
https://rmx.news/article/trumps-vp-pick-is-bad-for-europe-and-germany-warns-top-german-newspaper-welt/
Sundance provides some good content, but is excessively paranoid. The list of people he trusts seems to start and end with Trump himself. I’ve even seen him writing negative stuff about Steve Bannon .. who is currently in jail for his support for Trump.
Absolutely no one makes the meteoric jump from political nobody to VP nominee without globalist help in less than five years.
Trump made the meteoric jump from political nobody to President in less than three years. Clearly the globalists were pulling strings to get him in!
In case you missed it, we already know the identity of the shadowy figure who raised up Vance. The one who backed him as Senator and then selected him as VP. That person is Donald Trump.
Wow, that’s a tremendously bad take.
Trump had political ties for decades before he came down the escalator.
So now you are saying Trump was an insider and not an outsider? An insider in the same sense as Vance is? You’re just flailing at this point.
I disagree
Trump was always a Somebody
SD knows what he’s doing ……. oH yes he does……. and so …..obviously that Bannon creep is obviously up to no good if SD sez so!
Agree. This would have been a useful piece prior to the convention.
Thanks!
Stop playing the game, I quit voting. Don’t give credence to their corrupt system.
Nah, just don’t expect miracles when you do…
Keep your friends close and enemies closer…
I don’t think that holds water any longer. Too many obviously bad picks…not enough true America Firsters chosen
Good point, so much to ponder. Glad we have CTH and Sundance to keep our eyes open.
PDJT is noted for never giving up on the ideals he believes in, our country, and its people. He truly cherishes this nation and its citizens. It’s wise for those who it applies to consider taking that stance too.
It’s understandable to read how much emotion and concern is within our Treehouse given all that has transpired the past month. The unknown is daunting; it carries so much consequence for us, and for our kids and grandkids. The survival of our civil society and the country is at stake. And our freedoms guaranteed by a Constitution signed by a brave group of 56 men 248 years ago are trampled on at will by those who seek to control all of us.
I read the “Mirror” with concern too. Let us hope and pray that our President and a truly trusted and uncorruptuble staff around him will play their own tunes to defeat Mr. Vance and other snakes in the grass; or better yet, fully emasculate their power to do dirty deeds like Pence performed along with key members of his staff.
He can’t do it alone. We’re going to have to do our part at city and state levels too. It took decades for the country to get to this point. It will take a lot of hard toil for some years to get it back. He’s our weapon. I support him.
Like many of you my back is up after all this; years of frustration after watching my country turn into something that is anathema to most everything I believe and was taught. I served 27 yers to protect it. I just pray each day I won’t be too old to do something about it.
Somewhere back in time someone said, “If you think you can’t, you won’t.” They were talking about being beaten in the mind before you got out of the starting blocks on any meaningful endeavor.
Take heart, keep praying, and stay focused on the mission.
…or he’s just a man who dragged himself out of poverty, actually loves his wife, by any account is wicked smart, served our country as a Marine, got his law degree (who cares who paid his way or not?), wrote a very good book about his life as a way to expose the plight of an area and its people that I am familiar…then decides to go into public service, becoming a Senator (no small feat). But let’s trash the guy and pick apart his life. Not fair. Heck, I like DeSantis, who by anyone’s measure is a great Governor…yet there are people who live in Florida that hate the guy, to which I ask, “Then who?” Crickets.
Comparison’s to The Kenyan Born Lightbringer – who is a poseur and bum (let alone a Manchurian Communist) – is not helpful at this point. Let’s see what Vance does first before trashing the man. BTW, people change their names all the time, especially this one who struggled with his weird personal history most of us have no idea its affect and a desire to remake oneself. Don’t really care, the name is not the measure of the man. Plus, I’m banking on the fact that PDJT isn’t an idiot, he never makes the same mistake twice, and has more visibility than most of his VP choice.
Is Vance perfect? No one is. Moses wasn’t. Can’t please everyone, but PDJT did have to pick someone that closely fits the need at this time.
Oh, and Tuesday “those with nothing better to do” were commenting about the mans beard as if that were “something”. Talk about asinine and unserious.
So much of this stuff is on the level of high school mean girls:
Picking on his wife for not closing her eyes during a prayer to God
Vance’s beard
Vance stood up at an awkward moment
His first major speech when the eyes of the world was upon him left them displeased
He smiled too much or not enough
Did you see his wife blah, blah, blah?? (mean girl style)
Implying that being of a non Christian faith with brown skin is akin to being Satanic (no wonder Rs have the reputation of being racists)
Without knowing anything about his wife’s personality, proclaiming that she is as awful as Dr Jill
This is what happens when people start trashing others based upon innuendo, dislike of the other person, and the need to just pile on and feel good about themselves.
Much of this discussion has devolved to mean girl high school group bullying. No proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Just being mean to destroy another human being. Maybe we should take the Vances and throw a tray of food at them or shove their faces into a locker.
Spot on.
I have not seen one bit of proof that Vance and his wife are Satan incarnate or even corrupt.
Do they own a mansion in Martha’s Vineyard yet?
Do the corrupt RINOs despise him?
OR:
Does Team Trump now have an insider in the Office of VP in Don Jr who can keep an eye on Vance?
Is Team Trump setting up Vance and his corrupt handlers by putting him in the Executive Branch where they will be monitored and evidence gathered?
If the parallels to Obama’s life and Vance’s life is all there is then I would vote “not guilty”. Not enough. But it is enough to suppress votes for Trump in November.
The needs of the time are to make sure the rust belt votes in high enough percentages. Every new real voter takes a name away from the cheaters.
You want to get people who see themselves in Hillbilly Elegy to vote for the first time? Make JD Vance VP.
The Trump clan were center stage last night..
Everything in politics is strategic for the time.
Some people are very short sighted and would rather destroy or severely damage the MAGA movement rather than just be polite and get PDJT over the finish line.
There is a time and a season in which to do things. Now is not the time to damage the MAGA-Trump brand.
I read an Op-Ed after the announcement the Vance story line appeals to disaffected predominantly white voters in the Rust Belt and his Veep acceptance speech was quite heavy in highlighting his Rust Belt roots.
I appreciate this post, mostly for the fact that we’re allowed to critique our thoughts toward President Trump’s picks and not get slammed with “You’re not a supporter of Trump if you don’t trust who he chooses and you think you’re smarter than Trump!” Sick of that crap.
We all lived through the hell of all the traitors in President Trump’s first term.
It’s understandable that people are a bit paranoid, considering how often Trump (and by extension us) were stabbed in the back by people supposedly on our team.
But paranoia will destroy ya. It’s a destructive way of thinking. You can imagine any dark thoughts you like if you put your mind to it.
Patience is a virtue..I’m in wait and see mode…for now. The minutia is just noise in the machine trying to distract from the goal. I’m more focused on how a Wet Noodle 20 yo managed to know which 2/12 pitch roof to climb on because he was given instructions (guessing…but we’ll never know I suppose, TPTB are falling all over themselves in damage control…because they did not kill the king (small ‘k’).
I read a report he had scoped the place out days before, here is this, supposedly his phone geolocation, and we know who is “investigating”.
But who will pay for this? He’s dead (perfect in a conspiracy…not assuming there is one…but still smells fishier than a week old dead carp on the road side), Ms. Cheatle (perfect name for a nudge) is dodging everything like a football tossed on frozen ground, and next Monday is some sort of “bloviators demanding answers” hearing, that will go nowhere. On and on.
Getting PDJT safely and winningly past Nov. 5th is the immediate goal. And The Dems literally have nothing to offer except more misery and poverty…things Vance manged to lift himself out of with the help of a sympathetic and tough as leather grandmother. That, to me, is American, and something to champion, not denigrate.
I agree, let’s get him in the White House, priority number 1.
Cheatle is out of there day 1. I hope they will be able to investigate.
This likely reaches a lot higher than the SS head.
On the flip side, I still can’t wrap my mind around the idea that someone/some organization in the gov’t would plan to assassinate a Presidential candidate. Someone or some organization is either really frightened by impending accountability; or, they/it are cold calculators who have acted with impunity in the past and believe past is prologue.
As well….who is watching the Biden admin from here to Nov?
Desperate times…desperate measures seems to be their operating philosophy.
Thank you for this. I’m optimistic and perhaps naive. I see Vance as the American dream success story. Maybe God has His hand in this too.
Well reasoned. I was given a hand by many. Of those, some had expectations, most not. And along the way I helped others, most of whom did not know they were helped.
I wouldn’t write off J.D. at this stage. Watch what he does. Then soberly decide.
If the “IC” is anything like the rest of the Washington Blob, perhaps granting it omnipotence is a bit of a stretch.
In a lot of ways IC are like monkeys in cages of their own makings.
Like the Marketing of “AI”. Constantly asking infantile questions, compiling stuff I can compile in my head, gathering up Terabits of useless “data” not information.
Give Vance a Chance. He seems the antithesis of an Obama.
In retrospect, we’ve all been given a hand up by some in our lives, that opportunity, that mentor, etc. I was taught to do the same. If not Vance, then who? We need young energetic blood, and PDJT knows this is necessary going forward to maintain “the vision”. Otherwise we can speculate at every point on the spectrum, and that gains nothing but distraction from the goal.
Once a marine, ALWAYS a marine.
“Infiltration’ works both ways
Also can’t separate out the God-Country-Core-Self” honor mentality.
I agree. Until proven otherwise.
The issue here has been who Vance’s backers are, and to a lesser degree, his associations. I think there is room for concern. I also think that guilt by association can become dangerous when it overrides all other considerations. It wouldn’t succeed in any court environment, conceding this is the court of American opinion and not an actual judicial office.
Hmmm. Trust but verify. Takes time. Have a plan ready for immediate action when the evidence becomes concrete.
Just as I posted this a news memo flashes on my computer screen: individual arrested for threatening to kill Trump and Vance. What kind of country are we living in? We all need to keep our cool.
I guess I am a pollyanna, but I really like JD and his wife. He seemed genuine to me and seems to hold the same views as Trump and is young and energetic and can carry the movement along into the future. I came away from watching the convention feeling hopeful and positive about the election. I know the dems will pull something else diabolical…but i feel the groundswell of positivity around Trump and the MAGA movement. I am going with that right now.
Met a prominent pastor once, my wife started the church with him and knew him well as a younger 20-something…40 years later heard “the stories” (ugly crap) from a distance and thought, “Nah”. When I met him (twice) I immediately knew his detractors were lying. Those reading into Vance’s life from a distance yet having never him in person are okay to do so, but I reserve the right to rely on those who actually know him and see him daily…like our next President (who by any account isn’t stupid and knows what he’s doing). Have to rely on something or one will rely on nothing.
There is a very interesting article at THE STREAM, here is a long excerpt:
Spiritual WarfareBut Christians who love Vance and who know something about “spiritual warfare” will be concerned that the senator who was later baptized in a Catholic Church was blessed by a Hindu pundit, and had the names of Hindu deities chanted over him when he married Usha in a Hindu wedding ceremony.
They will also wonder if the children are being brought up as Christians or as Hindus, and if Usha continues to practice Hindu rituals and worship idols of her deities in the Vance household. When asked in which faith they raised their children, Usha said that there were several things she and J.D. agreed on regarding parenting “and the answer really is, we just talk a lot.”
The evidence seems to point toward Usha being a practicing Hindu. In a Fox News interview, Vance credited her for supporting him in his search for his Christian faith.
“I was never baptized,” he said. “I was raised Christian but never baptized. I was first baptized in 2018. Usha was raised non-Christian. She is actually not Christian. But I remember when I started to reengage with my faith, Usha was very supportive.”
When Usha was asked why she was so supportive, she replied, “I did grow up in a religious household. My parents are Hindu. That is one of the reasons why they made such good parents. That made them very good people. And I think I have seen the power of that in my own life. And I knew that JD was searching for something. This just felt right for him.”
God works in strange and wondrous ways. Usha did JD a huge favor by encouraging him to find his faith in Christ. Surely we can pray that JD will return the favor and help Usha discover and know with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height of Christ’s love for her?
You know why I am hopeful? Because I never ever thought I’d see so many Hindus turn to Christ in my lifetime. The Chilukuris come from a village near Hyderabad, and today Hyderabad has the largest church in India.
More than 300,000 Christians, most of them converts from Hinduism, worship God in Hyderabad’s Calvary Temple — a church that was planted by Pastor Satish Kumar, himself a Hindu convert, in 2005. “It’s a time for India to reach the lost not only within the country but across the globe,” says Kumar. “It’s my passion, my burden, that before I die, I want to see every Indian hear the Gospel and know the Savior.”
Three thousand new believers are added to the church each month. Nothing is impossible with God. As St. Paul reminds us: “He is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.”
Let’s pray for Usha, for JD, and for their three children!
https://stream.org/mr-catholic-and-mrs-hindu-j-d-vance/
“Growing up as a Christian” makes you a Christian about as much as going to MacDonald’s makes you a hamburger. God does not have any grandchildren; He has CHILDREN.
I pray that God will use the attacks of the DS to bring the Vance family to repentance and acceptance of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Recall the kings in the Old Testament who were ALWAYS lead astray by the unbelieving women in their lives (Soloman is the perfect example).
Well, at least one of those two was actually born in this country.
I choose prayer, ‘without ceasing’.
Thanks Sundance for bringing out the “personal life story” of JD Vance… Yikes.. ..
btw I seemed to have reduced my gullibility a little bit after reading your website.. when I first read the story I knew instinctively that you are trying to point the similarities with the Obama story but I just didn’t know who… I am not going even go near the multiple name changes… That is Not normal or healthy
They really do think that American conservatives are a bunch of suckers don’t they?
The Deep State literally had its own acting school .. but how do these guys scout the prospective candidates?
I am still amazed at how they have groomed total no bodys like Obama, Clooney, Butterboy.. and JD Vance
How do they do it ?
Sundance, thanks for explaining JD’s deep state connections. Something we will have to watch out for . I think we all agree this was not the best choice.
I have to take some issue with the name changes. Perhaps you were just pointing out the similarities to Barry. I can understand a person not wanting the name of their father if that father abandoned them. I think it would be more correct to say his mother and step-father changed his name to James David Hamel, since he was quite young.
He changed his name to Vance his maternal Grandfather’s name. We should not hold this against JD.
I believe Trump is making some deals to ensure we make it “to big to rig”. Getting our guy back in the oval office is job one. As Willie Brown said, the VP job in most cases is a dead end for those wanting the big office.
In my lifetime only Nixon, Ford and the resident have achieved this with only Nixon legitimately being elected.
So to be clear, JD dropped his step-father’s surname and took his maternal Grandfather’s name. HE changed his name once.
Do not forgot the ultimate traitor, GHW Bush.
Yeah, I forgot the new world order dude.
You forgot Bush #1, who was elected by Reagan’s constituency.
The emerging table of contents (in a developing effort at understanding “the big picture”) :
One. Big money, really big money, owns our political “staffing” processes. These people/interests build (or seek out) constructs (personal histories) over 10 or more years (maybe a lifetime) to serve as pawns. They do this to manage the pool of public office seekers. In theory (and practice) this also extends into all branches of control (e.g., the bureaucracy). Prospective Manchurian candidates are abundant and willing to be compromised. Personal histories are shape shifted to fit the target political/cultural segment – they sell what they think you will buy.
Two. The intent is to ensure that control structures installed over time achieve permanence while also advancing the interests of the conspirators and shielding them from accountability. The long-term interests, other than wealth aggrandizement, are flexible. In fact, there may be none at all. The stratagem is managed/maintained until the entire system implodes – that’s implicit in what some have posted on this board.
Three. Ultimately, the controllers unify around the structures (not the ideology). Ideology is just another mass that creates enough gravity to suck in witless voters, malcontents, intentionally mis-informed citizens, a fractured society – a vast, but disposable, servant class (which includes artists, media, intellectuals, teachers, doctors, electricians, plumbers, etc. – and us). Marxists, fascists, right wing, left wing, capitalists, socialists, communists – all fungible depending on the vortex need of the day needed to ensure continuity of the control structures.
Four. The Deep State identity seems to shift, but in practical terms, it is the moniker for the Command and Control (C2) elements in the United States.This is important – one needs to identify the center of gravity after all. There has been a degree of incompleteness in articulating the actors (and their top down relationships; we have pieces) IMO. Precision is needed if a viable response strategy is ever to be adopted. If Deep State C2 elements, that is one avenue. If the entire constellation of domestic and international interests that is an entirely different scope of operations.
Five. Beyond the Deep State the true master class (sometimes labelled “elites”) can be the global reach/consortium of IC, global business, WEF (i.e., fascist business), international bankers, foreign nations (e.g., China, Iran, but not Russia according to some), combinations of all of the above. The actual top branches of the conspiratorial tree never seem consistently identified in my mind. The separation of Deep State from master class seems logical to me, but I concede this can be debated. It may be dual hatted. The dichotomy is useful, IMO, for designing, evaluating, timing and implementing effective responses.
Why all the effort to condense/organize? It’s a starting point for narrowing the aperture to the essential. Not a validated truth. I think, bluntly, that we are voiding into the wind more often than anyone is prepared to admit. There’s a ratcheting almost every day, a churning over sometimes unconnected events and believed facts; a lot of shaky inference immediately generalized to certain fact. Is the Deep State/Master Class really that thorough/capable? Emotional responses that cover the gamut from counter-revolution to abject surrender populate many sub-threads. I see contradictory points-of-view once one starts the process of discovering “well, how would this actually work?”
My take: the problem, after nearly ten years of circumscribing the threat(s), is that there aint no coherent battle plan. Other than Dutchman’s ground up strategy (which I think is very viable – if time consuming), I feel like there is nothing to grab on to when it comes to actionable, long-term strategy and planning. If one stands back, a big chunk of all of this seems reactionary – constantly one step behind. Huge amounts of time/print are wasted arguing over whose vision is accurate, who is privileged enough to have ownership of the authoritative “facts”. It’s a self-licking ice cream cone that ends up accomplishing exactly what the DS seeks: division, lack of focus, lack of direction; Internal friction.
The hour is late. I, for one, am weary of being bombarded by the latest probe of the day. I’m losing energy over the constant fencing. Are we trapped in a sine wave complicated by overlapping harmonics? That is no place to live one’s best life. My guess is that eventually, people are going to adopt one of the worst of the available options – tuning it all out as self-protection to manage all the stresses.
The Table of Contents metaphor is really intended to demonstrate that the threat is much more complex. Complexity, however, presents many vulnerabilities. Exploitable vulnerabilities in the structures, in the Deep State C2, in the master class – and in the minds of that conceptual servant class.
I don’t see a grand plan. Which means, of course, that I see myself as a follower (for better or for worse). Trust has to transition into purposeful action at some point. That point is fast approaching.
Excellent post.
Thanks.
What a great thread. I’m checking out of this one.
Sundance, you are scaring me.
Dr. Peter Navarro Explains “Special Kinship With JD” Over The Issue Of Globalism
By Bannons War Room
18 Jul 2024
https://rumble.com/v57gb7p-dr.-peter-navarro-explains-special-kinship-with-jd-over-the-issue-of-global.html
Two Laine, thanks for the link.
I agree totally with Navarro. Vance has changed as a result of his experiences. He became the best Senator on Ukraine (actually opposing funding) as a result of his experience fighting in our endless wars. He became the best Senator on manufacturing as a result of growing up among those hurt by factories moving abroad:
https://rumble.com/v57gb7p-dr.-peter-navarro-explains-special-kinship-with-jd-over-the-issue-of-global.html
Hmmm. Does that mean Peter Navarro, who went to jail rather than lie about and betray President Trump – is a deep state globalist now? Asking for a friend.
His bio father was out of the picture by the time he was 1 yr old. Mom changed his name to erase the bio dad and the new husband adopted JD, changing his surname. That marriage didn’t last all that long and there was a string of men after. Since Mamaw and Papaw Vance had the most loving familial relationship with JD, it makes sense he would take that name as his “real” name.
The Obama comparison is disturbing as is the idea that JD is representing those who would enslave us all.
Spot on. Proves anything can be made to look like anything and mostly depends on one’s optics (aka perspective).
Thank you for the clarification. Prior to your post, I was thinking that Vance must be a real ‘wacko’.
I would compare Vance to Alexander Hamilton, not to Obama. Like Hamilton, Vance grew up in a broken family and ended up being raised by relatives. But Hamilton’s energy, industry, intelligence and enthusiasm led to others taking him under their wings and advancing his career. He eventually became George Washington’s right hand man during both the Revolutionary War and Washington’s presidency.
A man who changes his name so often and many ways gets flagged by the US government as suspicious.
We should be doing the same.
Name changing is not as rare among “white trash”as among some other cultures, though.
Are you saying JD is “white trash”?
Concerning the Vance connection to AI. This is a ship that has already left the dock. We would be naïve to think it is not part of our future. As such perhaps we should consider that a connection to the developers is a plus, not a negative.
Actually, I don’t think Obama is the mirror of Vance (BTW, JD he took his mother’s maiden name of Vance). Lots of unanswered questions about Obama, particularly how he went from being a screw-up at an obscure California college to ivy-league Columbia and then to Harvard Law Review without ever publishing anything. Plus, all Obama’s academic records are locked up at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Lots of questions, few answers. Meanwhile, Vance is an open book. You can track his progress from high school to the Marines to graduating at Ohio State in two years to Yale Law, where because he was a stellar law student he was recruited by Thiel. This is not unusual (having gone to law school myself). The recruitment process is part of the law school routine and typically takes place during the second year. So big differences between the two. I always felt there was an invisible force behind Obama. Vance’s is front and center, not hiding anything.
Get Bannon out of Fing jail, because he needs to be in that WH for the next 4 damn years with DJT.
I think Bannon likes JD Vance.
What is the IC’s role in the upcoming theft of the 2024 presidential election?
The theft in 2024 is registering phantom voters using addresses such as the local Walmart, 7-11, empty warehouse, UPS mailbox centers or empty vacant lots as the ‘residential address’ of the ‘voter’. 90 days before election the voter rolls are locked down and will include phantom voters using commercial and non-residential addresses if not taken off the rolls. A good site that has video’s and explanation of this is https://omega4america.substack.com/. Our group is a small group in our county but we have been able to have 400 phantom voter addresses taken off the voter rolls due to the fact they were using the local homeless charity offices as their residence, i.e. 400 ‘voters’ using a commercial 3 room building as their ‘residence’ which is illegal. Multiply this in the hundreds of thousand across the country and one can imagine what they are doing. The https://omega4america.substack.com/ outlines how they are using fractal technology to uncover this, while the RNC is clueless, and illustrates ways we can try to clean up our local voter rolls before August 5. 90 days before an election voter rolls are locked down and can’t be changed, so August 5 is the date before which these phantom voters must be removed.
Speaking of tough, Sundance has been as tenacious as a pit bull in not letting go of this.
I truly admire the way SD wrote that.
Clever, insightful and spot on.
James Donald Bowman: What can be, unburdened by what has been.
This is the deep dive information I didn’t have, but it substantiates my gut that he was not my first choice, Dr. Carson was.
I posted this week exactly what Sundance just said, that we don’t have to accept him as the nominee in 2028 if he screws up. I kind of wish this information had been posted, at least the concept of having a one term VP who would not be running in 2028, discussed and shared with team Trump. Maybe it was or maybe Team Trump considered that aspect. I would hope President Trump did.
How did I not know that he had changed his name multiple times?
This article is hard to read and put a real damper on things for at least for me. It gives me the deep dive facts that I did not have. I had the surface information, but this information is bad.
Thank you for posting the truth, Sundance. At least I have it now.
A few years ago when DeSantis was the soup de jour for conservative sites and their readers and before coming here…. At the time it was maybe 60/40, 70/30 split on who could better lead the country in 2024 election…. Trump/Dedouche
I would comment that I didn’t completely trust DeSantis. Give examples why of course and then cue the vitriol.
3 2 1 go. If any here comment on other ‘conservative’ sites. Drop some of this knowledge and see what happens…
Peace
Looks more like innuendo than knowledge.
Sorry, are you saying the facts SD told about JDV are innuendo? You’re free to interpret them any way you want..
Facts provide knowledge. This back story about JDV is knowledge most didn’t have..
See, I’m slow. I think you’re being disagreeable but …. Wth, we should probably get this knowledge censored…. don’t want to be a spreader of the dreaded INNU virus.
I thought about Sundance article yesterday where he mentioned the push via Vance for a carbon tax.
President Trump put an end to that idea last night when he said we wouldn’t be participating in the Green New Scam.
That provided me a breath of fresh air…at least for a minute.
There are too many of us. We don’t need to support Vance in 2028 unless he performs for us.
I still don’t understand how Vance was supposed to be a life insurance policy for President Trump.
If they assassinated him, the Deep State could keep moving onward.
This is UGLY.
We all knew in advance that Green/Climate Change driven energy agenda was an axiomatic No Go for Trump. That changes the whole probability calculus for near versus far term threats/priorities.
Why all the emotional gymnastics by so many? Why so much self-inflicted damage?
How does an effective, cohesive front take shape if there is this constant churn over the latest news cycle?
“We’re up.”
“No. We’re down.”
“Trump was delivered and protected by God.”
“No. Trump can’t divine friend from foe.”
This is no way to fight a multi-dimensional war.
If Vance is another Deep State captive, so what? All this energy and hate expended on Vance. It’s like watching a recycled comedy script over and over and over.
The dang problem is not the repeated appearance of DS captives, it’s implementing a solution that breaks the cycle. All I read and hear is “See, I told you. Stop beating up on my fragile ego. I am a purveyor of truth.” What? It’s about being right? How about the solution. Many of us don’t care about after the fact correctness based on I-Net research conducted the day after too late.
How far forward has the ball been moved?
Get Trump re-elected. That’s the priority from here through to Nov.
Use Sundance and his connections/political archaeology as a beacon.
Figure out how to un(fill in the blank) some of this. Support those people on the deck plates actually getting things done (e.g., Dutchman. I am sure there are others on this board I am not aware of).
The Wolverines fought back. The Wolverines, at the least, had tactics and targets.
I keep getting reminded of the trench scene in Apocalypse Now. “Who is in charge here? Aint you?”
Uh
I’m not seeing a victory against the bad guys anywhere soon in this piece.
Are we sure that most of us aren’t deceived and believing feel good hopeium in spite of reality?
I think the right and the left are hopelessly delusional.
Well, to MAGA voters who don’t know these things about JDV then it could be hopeium( nice word, btw).
Even with this confirmation/knowledge today I had still had dreams of the sugar plum fairy, Santa’s sleigh and JDV beating the ever loving crap out KH in a debate last night
On the plus side, J.D. Vance has an insider’s knowledge of the game that few on the outside will ever see.
Keep the pressure up and he will be of the people.
Mr. Mata Hari (AKA: PDJT) has to bring the silly valley asuras and devils to CENTER STAGE
Waaaaaay tooooo many Americans are transfixed in juvenile adoration of the nouveau riche billionaires of our time.
They just be exposed.
Not emulated
They must be exposed.
Not adored
CTH insight… nothing quite like it…
There are two D parties at war for control of their party: the blue collar old school Democrats and the “looney left”. There are two R parties at war for control of their party: the wealthy war-mongering fat cats, and the MAGA majority. Would it be a stretch then to believe there are at least two globalist factions at war for control of that arena? There’s no reason to think the globalists like each other or support each other.
I was one of the people who, based on what I saw, thought that Vance would make a decent VP.
In my own defense, I was constantly calling to widen the circle and look outside of DC.
Back when I read Hillbilly Elegy, which was quite some time after all the media fuss, there was one part of it that gave me pause, in my estimation of Vance as someone who was suited to the job of getting our country out of the mess it is in; and I can’t refresh my memory as to what it was because you can’t lay your hands on the book in the library. I’m not about to buy it.
It was with regard to his time in the Ivy League. My sense was that he was way too comfortable with that crowd and that system.
Nothing wrong with Ivy League attendance or having positive feelings about it, but it was something more than that.
He was dazzled by Yale and the process by which the “elite” are selected in this country. I remember the impression I got reading his book that he seemed almost hypnotized by the power that he saw around him at Yale. He was an outsider, but it was very clear that he wanted to work his way into that clique and stay there. He’s a bright guy, and was a good student, but his modest background left him wholly unprepared for the seduction that a power center like Yale holds. He fell right in.
I remember back in 2016, Peter Thiel was a big Trump donor and supporter, I believe he even spoke at the convention, and was considered a good guy by us. What happened between then and now? The whole AI technology that even President Trump mentioned last night, that would take a lot of power?
No way in hell would President Trump agree to “carbon taxes”. He was totally against it before, and doesn’t accept Climate Change either. I think Elon Musk is proposing them because he wants to sell electric cars.
At the end of the day all things hidden come to light and the test probed who is friend and who is foe, Trump have probed he is a man of stature with merit to be a hero, a legend, all the traitors that want to surround him are small and belittle, shameful to be in their midst.
Sundance, I would suspect DJT knows all this.
He has always used his own detectives for many things, including having them investigate Obama and the birth certificate mystery.
I hope his ego is not so large that Vance can easily get him to believe “Yeah, I hated you but then watched you and fell in love with you.”
I think something else is more likely that he knows a lot about Vance but figured he needed MI, WI, PA and Vance gave him a chance. I’m not so sure Vance’s campaigning style will mean much, though.
I also feel Trump understood you have to please in some way the very people out to undermine him or he’d have no shot at all at winning. I’ve already noticed a softening of press coverage of Trump, no doubt due to the influence of Thiel and his camp of Silicon Valley friends.
Frankly, as depressed as I am about the situation, I have another that bothers me equally, article I read about how GOP efforts to compete with Dems in the ballot harvesting race is not going to matter:
Until all voter rolls are cleaned AND we vote in person with ID, nothing will matter when it comes to the LEFT cheating and cheating huge. We’re such patsies.
https://omega4america.substack.com/p/the-democratization-of-fraud-how
I share your concerns on the voter rolls.
I recently posted a thought that Anonymous could act as a modern day ‘Sons of Liberty’ in one major stroke.
Before the BALLOTS are sent out, all these Secretary of State offices have their voter rolls hacked and all data on the servers and cloud is gone, backups history.
All those ‘newcomers’ that merely needed to exist are gone. No violence. Just the erasure of those the IC planned to make a Trump victory doubtful.
Then Anonymous would go down in history as saving democracy when we have to show up to vote with an ID.
Is anyone else following the left’s plan to steal the election? I’ve been trying to get someone (AZ state legislators who claim to be strong on election integrity, et. al.) to bring this out in the open for a year now. Crickets! I don’t have the connections. Maybe someone here does. If you haven’t already done so, please check out the videos and info here: https://substack.com/@omega4america
It will curl your toes and raise your blood pressure! I’m no techy, but this makes total sense to me.
“The Obama network ultimately led to the modern IC surveillance state. The Vance network now appears to be positioned to retain it.” – Sundance
The deep state gets most of its power from “the modern IC surveillance state”! If that can be destroyed then the deep state becomes weaken to a point where it can be destroyed. The deep state can’t let that happen! The flip side of Sundance’s The Mirror is what if something happens to President Trump and JD Vance becomes President then President Trump is out of the picture and he has no say in the 2028 nominee? It seems to me that President Trump has put a bigger 🎯 on his back selecting JD Vance? Would a President JD Vance carry on President Trump’s MAGA and America First policies and his effort to destroy the deep state? I doubt it, it would be just lip service to us We The MAGA People. Billionaire’s money changes everything in politics and they know it! Is JD Vance an honorable man? I don’t know? To me JD Vance is no different than Meatball DeSantis, before he was disastrously talked into running for President, a status quo keeper! JD Vance’s handlers are little different from DeSantis’ handlers! I pray I’m wrong but we’re dealing with evil in the deep state! JD Vance will prove himself worthy of President Trump’s selection or he will fail that’s up to him. Come 2028 if Vance fails to me there is Rep Byron Donald and Rep Harriet M. Hageman and others may rise up as well to carry on the mantle of President Trump!!! Difficult dangerous days ahead! JMO. Godspeed President Trump and Sundance!
This is why I seriously suspect that “Infiltration” is a distinct possibility….. in other words, that there truly is no such thing as a FORMER marine, and thus all the right filthy riche elites are up in arms — absolutely horrifyingly angry, horrified that JD Vance is now in a potential position of power.
Why?
Cuz he actually ain’t one of them.
It’s just like back in 2015 when the entire fan club of all those close buddies of Mr. Mata Hari (AKA: PDJT) came out in screaming maniacal hissy fit tantrum denouncing The Donald.
Talk about dramatic theater!!!!!
And it’s happening again.
Now.
Against JD.
And a similar overblown negative reaction to Usha, as previously occurred to Melania.
Lotsa strange coincidences, hey?
Once a marine, always a marine…….
Very interesting. Thanks for the write up.
“The trust account of the American electorate is bankrupt.”
Fact check: True
I’m still voting Trump. My reasons are this: I don’t want my grandsons forcibly drafted into WWIII. I want our financial situation resolved and if that is not possible, at least bettered. I want the borders closed and the illegals deported. I want safety and security and prosperity to return to America. If that is not God’s plan for our lives, then I pray for a REVIVAL in America that is so great and so powerful that the demons flee.
2036 brings us…
Barry O’Vance: “Dreams of My Hillbilly Father”
…while another publisher across town will be promoting a Hunter Biden offspring’s book, Are You My Daddy?
SD very well stated overview of the JD Vance projections and countervailing options for PDJT. The only way to move forward is once PDJT is back in office is to rapidly n boldly remove the top 20% of the non-elected officials in CIADOJFBI… This MOAB is needed to get everyone’s attention and start moving the rats into disarray. This is the part where everyone needs to start living their best lives. All pretending aside.
Sorry to mention this, Sundance, but you are paraphrasing the words of Rachel Maddow here:
https://x.com/JayCaruso/status/1813895838172942841
Notice that President Trump did not say the name of the “Speaker” of the House,
-but emphasized
his presence.
Republican majority in both house and senate is key;
-as legislation is the goal.
Priming a path
for paving
a more permanent structure
-that cannot easily be changed
after President Trump’s next term ends.
I also recall a couple /few rallies ago
President Trump said that the VP is not really that important.
Of course, that seeming flippant statement was made in reference to who he would choose.
I thought at the time -and still think, it was a more significant and meaningful message.
In 2016 or maybe earlier, I stated that the best strategy for the globalist interests to continue would be to lay low until Trump’s time in office passes. I’m not what we would call “an original thinker.” So I’m reasonably sure other people of the day had the same notion. Clearly the globalist interests did not agree with my theoretical recommendations and they went all out in countless unprecedented ways to destroy Trump.
Trump survived their attempt on his life. And I feel like this selection of “Sha-Dee Vance“was a negotiated installment to at least allow Trump to gain power again.
Are they REALLY going to allow Trump to destroy the deep state? I don’t see how they can allow that because the deep state is critically important to the long-term planning of the globablists. Can the deep state agree to be fired and yet others remain and lay low under orders? Maybe.
I guess we’ll know more as the Republican legislators attempt to go back to “business as usual.”
PDJT made a couple of really enlightening comments last night. He stated that things should be done “Before” he takes office. ie. warning shots.. No green crap… warning shot, not spending money on foreign problems warning shot, not mentioning Speaker by name warning shot…. Reading the tea leaves doesn’t take an original thinker attitude. Trust in God that He has this! Peace