There are three basic options for this response from RFK Jr. (1) He really is not that intelligent, and doesn’t know of what he speaks. (2) He knows the full background context and is pretending not to know. (3) He’s working on behalf of an alternate interest.
The reason is simple, the last reauthorization of the FISA-702 process took place in December/January of 2017/2018. At the time of the issue you might remember the intense debate that encompassed what was called the “Nunes memo”.
The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Chairman Devin Nunes had written a memo outlining the contents of the FISA application used against Carter Page. The Intelligence Community wanted to keep the information about the FISA application hidden from public review.
Devin Nunes’ memo was designated “Top Secret Compartmented Intelligence” (TSCI) by those who wanted it to remain hidden. Nunes was asking President Trump to use his declassification authority to remove the classified status, so that the American people could read how the DOJ, CIA, FBI and ODNI constructed a fraudulent FISA application to conduct political surveillance on Donald Trump.
Keep in mind, on March 17, 2017, SSCI Vice Chairman Mark Warner leaked a full and unredacted copy of the FISA application to the media. Three days later, on March 20th, FBI Director James Comey admitted during public testimony that Donald Trump was the subject of an active counterintelligence investigation.
Warner and Comey were running an operation using DC media to get the momentum they needed for a Special Counsel investigation. The SC investigation was needed to cover up the activity of the DOJ, FBI, NSD, ODNI and SSCI during the 2016 election cycle. Every element of the intelligence apparatus in DC was opposed to the efforts of Nunes and Trump to expose the unlawful targeting effort.
To get the Nunes memo declassified, both President Trump and Devin Nunes used the leverage of FISA-702 reauthorization to force the IC to declassify it. If the ODNI, FBI and DOJ did not agree to declassify the memo and make it public, then 702 would be allowed to expire, and the IC would lose their currency.
It worked. The DNI, FBI and DOJ acquiesced to the memo declassification. Then they worked diligently to undermine it.
That’s how they roll.
The FBI is to America in 2024, what the Soviet FSB was to Russia in 1984. A fully weaponized government inversion is underway within the United States.
Either Robert Kennedy Jr. is clueless (doubtful), or he’s pretending not to know what DC does with their power (likely).
Yes, there is a lot of irony within his pretenses. Then again, he’s a Kennedy.
I’ll take all 3 options!
Cheryl Hines.
‘Nuf said.
RFK Jr is heading towards Teddy Kennedy territory IMHO
best buddies with Biden, founding father of the replacement invasion and the kind of guy who leaves his date to slowly drown for 12 hours while he sits around with his clan working out how to spin and cover-up
well, fisa DOES have a foreign intelligence purpose, right?
it’s in the frikkin’ title, innit?
how ’bout we keep it as a foreign intelligence tool, as intended
and declassify and PROSECUTE and IMPRISON anyone who mis-uses it for domestic spying?
that’s an impossibility?
sorry for being all — like — LOGICAL an’ sheeeeeeeeeeit
it’s a weakness of mine, I know …
Num, don’t confuse DS with steenking logic.
That’s Nim. Grrr
Poor Ole Bobby.
Pretty soon, the veneer covering his real mission will be ripped open for all to see.
There will be splodey heads all over the place when that happens.
Will be a glorious day to behold.
I keep bouncing back and forth, on Musk, Tucker and Jr.
They are red-pilling, but behind us,…or they were intentionally deployed as “anti-Trump” weopons, using truth to build credibility, so that they could then use that credibility to lure the unwary away from “Trump”.
And in the second explanation, you can add RDS, the first to self-implode.
Admittedly, its easy to say, hard to do to “love what they SAY, without eloping with the messenger”, …
Is this what your talking about, perchance?
For me, Bobby and Elon not so hard, Tucker is the challenge!
But, the enemy figures each erodes SOME of PDJT’s support, and the effect is cumulative…
Add “vivek” to that list, dutchman.
In SERE training, it is taught (or was), that to survive interrogation coerced from torture, to answer questions truthfully on anything that is known, or can be readily corroborated through open sources, and if need be, anything that’s not but is at the time “not actionable” (value to the enemy has passed) to survive and gain your captors’ trust.
Discern and reconcile.
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Bravissimo on this analogy!
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yup. NO need to say more… Is there. 😉
Agree, I think Tucker is part of the party, familial ties to CIA. But he seems genuine in his patriotism.
Thank you Sundance.
It’s a long, long trail and it is easy to lose the sequence of events.
Trail leads back to 1913.
Not too hard to see that the love of money(power)
is the root of all evil.
Trust God. Fear not.
Trail actually leads further back…..to Benjamin Disraeli scheming and eventually breaking up the League of the Three Emperors (Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Russia) that had combined to stem communism back in the late 19th century.
Can you recommend some good reading on that subject?
Communism was conceived in Bavaria by Adam Weishaupt the very year of our Founding.
I am fascinated by the teasing out of threads of this very real Conspiracy against all Creation.
You and Duke are both right.
It was conceived in earnest in 1775-76.
Hegel (think Colkitto) developed it further, then on to Marx & Engels who immigrated to England.
Disraeli was political plant that ascended to Prime Minister of Great Britain.
The same ‘City’ actors that financed Marx et al, also assisted Disraeli.
While the City financed and manipulated the US into a civil war with the ultimate goal of infiltrating our banking system, they were involved in the dimunation of the continental empires using the captured British empire to assist with the operation.
Exactly.
Yet I’ve read some statements of the Founders referencing Utopian schemes, as if they were already familiar with Communism, before it could even have been promulgated let alone understood on this side of the pond.
So I keep looking back to precedent before precedent . . .
Utopianism has to have been a thing before Weishaupt conceived Communism then . . .
Was Puritanism a precursor? They famously almost completely perished from their brief communal foray . . .
I think the Puritans were just misguided.
More likely developed from positions being advanced by Jesuits before they were banned at the time AND Baruch Spinoza.
But Weishaupt had metaphysical / occult influence which drove the first overt acts of a long range institutionalized ‘international’ conspiracy.
Well, he was raised by Jesuits, he got his secret society understandings from them.
I have to dig in more on that fellow, I have little data on his occult influences.
I presume that stems at least in part from the Bavarian Lodge?
Consider that every monastery (including what are often called convents) are at heart communist societies. And most records of western history were kept in the monasteries.
Pretty good read:
https://www.realnewsandhistory.com/disraeli/
Hat Tip!
That is s fine analysis of how the Great conspiracy progressed.
Nice summation.
Both correct. But it goes back much further. The important part is “who” not necessarily when…
Agreed. “They” were once called the Red Knights.
The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Not all evil. That’s the proper passage. Surely, you can think of a plethora of evil sins that are not rooted in money. Sorry, but that misquote really bothers me.
Yes… 1 Timothy 6:10 ..
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Thank you Chris K, I never realized this till now
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The entire political class in DC are all corrupt, or they wouldnt be there.
That is pretty much all there is to say, in one sentence.
PDJT is the only one I trust. That being said, what SD told us 2 weeks ago about no one around PDJT wanting SD anywhere near him, only reinforces my outlook, and I do wonder, if PDJT reads SD’s stuff, ( which I truly believe he has/does ), why he would not want someone like SD in his circle?
Its been bugging me since SD told us that.
Make it make sense!
Unless you are well schooled by years of experience on the lifestyle of living in the swamp “on the bayou” you are unlikely to survive.
Sundance can accomplish far more, where he is than he could accomplish in DC.
Oh, I dont disagree there at all.
I just find it odd, that whomever, doesnt want to have him speak to SD. If it were me, he would be the 1st guy Id hire!
I am a DC native. It’s a clique that dates to grade 7 for many of the DC Rehoboth Beach crowd. There’s tremendous posturing and lack of raw talent.
Consider Martin O’Malley as an archetype. Unfortunately he’s now the Social Security Commissioner and I believe he would have no problem withholding our Social Security payments and giving the funds to Illegal Aliens. He’s as much a part of the system as anyone could be.
https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/12/martin-omalley-confirmed-social-security-commissioner/392860/
This is insulting to America. They gave him the job because the SSA campus in West Baltimore is convenient to his Baltimore home. They’re still grooming him.
I would like to disclose more information but need to be able to speak face to face.
OMG. O’Malley is the SSA Commissioner??? I live in MD and did not know that. I do not read the leftwing Baltimore Sun (since the 1980s) so that’s probably why. O’Malley always was a corrupt moron and useful idiot for the Left, which explains his appointment.
Follow the wife (and the father in law) His father in law would have been politically powerful right around the time of Nancy Pelosi’s father being mayor of Baltimore, no?
It’s generational.
As always.
O’Malley’s father was AUSAG for Washington DC from 1957 to 1962, so that would put him in the same time frame as former Baltimore Mayor Tommy D’Alesandro Jr. (Pelosi’s father) who was Mayor from 1947 to 1959.
But they’re all Democrats, part of the Maryland Machine that has run this state for decades despite once having a viable Republican Party that was favored by all of the rural counties.
“what SD told us 2 weeks ago about no one around PDJT wanting SD anywhere near him”
Where was that? Was it in one of the daily presidential/open threads? I usually at least skim the headlines and I didn’t come across that information. TIA
I recall it as well though can’t remember if it was here or on his Twitter.
SD said Melania visits here. Regardless, the Mueller farce wasn’t just to hide the crimes of the IC, it was to whitewash and destroy all evidence of the kenyan’s criminal corruption
It was here because I saw it.
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It was in the AMA
It was here, someone asked him if he ever spoke to PDJT, his answer was, hell no! His circle dont want him anywhere near PDJT.
Who in Trump’s circle controls who he sees and speaks to?
I think it was in the “Ask me any question” article.
I read a lot of the comments and Sundance’s answers but evidently not that one in the “Ask me any question” post.
That was part of the Ask him any questions dialogue with Treepers. Sundance was replying to a question regarding his proximity to Trump
I missed that too.
It was in the AMA.
It does not matter. Does it?
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Let me repeat.
It does not matter.
Some times… Reading between the lines helps, even if there is nothing there to read.
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GOD Bless~!
Not a word on US media other than epochtimes on Iran’s Ayattola’s orders to strike Israel. Hezbollah declares the start of operations against Israel! Drones are armed and headed to Israel, Israeli are in shelters, power is out in Tel Aviv and Netanya. Iranian news agencies report the disruption of the defense radars of the Israeli army by the Hanzala hacking group. Second wave of drones have been launched and now over Iraqi air space. This is war for Israel and it’s not looking good at this point.
I follow this independent Iranian news organization and they are reporting minute by minute.
Off topic
No it is not.
Yeah, it is. This post is about RFK and FISA, not the situation in the ME with Israel and Iran.
Do you think Devin Nunes will be in Trump’s administration and involved in prosecuting the dirty cops?
He’ll still need someone to run Truth Social . . .
I suspect PDJT will be relying on that, he’s a communicator after all.
How about the roots of Communism?
I don’t know enough to know – but the ‘bargain” that S describes doesn’t sound right /seems like a poor exchange – one memo released in exchange for an extension of a whole Statute with its array of deceitful tools – ?
And so the memo was released and then attacked as S says… and its release really didn’t change history very much so to speak …? But they got the FISA authorization though – IDK Sounds off ?
Not even going there with RFK – don’t care what he says …
Much like the progressive enemy inflicted small wounds on the country over time to get where they are today, I look at the deal as perhaps the first of many hairline cracks to be inflicted on the 4th branch’s foundation.
I wish!
Nycjoe,
Given that they were going to authorise anyway, and continue to exploit whether authorised or not, and recalling that AT THE TIME the Nunes Memo was “a big F’ing DEAL!” I find Sundances explanation highly credible.
One of the major challenges we face, is looking at events of the recent (post escalator ride) past, and recalling the way they were percieved AT THE TIME, rather than the way we view them NOW.
Pay your money take your choice -could be – IDK myself , Don’t think memo was a BFD ( I believed PDJT ) – but memories vary …anyway …
Example of memories varying – you say “ Given that they were going to authorize anyway …” /
But Sundance above says PDJT /Nunes “ used the leverage of FISA 702 reauthorization to force declassification…” if they (IC etc ) DIDN’T “ 702 would be ALLOWED to expire” …
there is a difference in yours and S recollections/perceptions- For you- it was going to pass anyway so PDJT made the best of a bad bargain and got something ..
Sundance seems to say the reauthorization was not a given ( veto whatever ?) and got the green light from PDJT for reauthorization BECAUSE IC agreed to declassify ..
Interestingly, today Bannon has a weekend show detailing ‘coups in america’ (see the link at CFP). His guests cover JFK and Nixon. In both cases, the deep state (including the military in JFK’s case) were the primary players.
Everything we see now (IC collusion, Congressional treason, and lawfare) have already been done 50-60 years ago.
If he doesn’t cover how the I/C, MSM, DNC and RNC colluded to politically assasinate Goldwater, even as they literalky assasinated JFK, then he is only telling 1/2 the story.
Covid vaccine
Probably Covid itself
RFK Jr is not that obtuse. He knows who killed his father and uncle. He is either afraid they will kill him ( no SS protection from Biden) or they have had “the talk” with him.
He’s fighting for survival and compromised
He is far better off without SS protection, as De Beckers organisation is the best, and the SS was in on the killing of his relatives (they pretty much HAD to be).
MAYBE an issue could be made, of who PAYS for the Security, and certainly Joe’s people are appearing chicken sh*t by refusing to pay.
That family name is a bane on this country
It was John Kennedy who said that a democracy depends on an open marketplace of ideas where the people get to decide what is true and what is false, what is right and what is wrong. It was also John Kennedy who said he wished he could splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and cast it to the winds. He also kept the MIC from starting WWIII.
He would not even recognize today’s Democrat Party leaders as members of his own party. Or even as fellow Americans. He would think they were a bunch of Nazis. And he would be right.
Well said
“Either Robert Kennedy Jr is clueless (doubtful), or he’s pretending not to know what DC does with their power (likely).”
RFK Jr.: “Maybe he shouldn’t have signed the reauthorization last time then”
At the risk of stepping outside the line, I can not see, without any kind of compulsion, exactly how A follows from B. I would have to be pretending if I said I did. But then, I guess I never was all that desirous of saying whatever I thought would be popular.
Hey Bobby Jr they used many of these type tactics to KILL YOUR UNCLE AND YOUR FATHER!!! I can understand you FEIGNING IGNORANCE because you don’t want to end up six feet under! 🪦
I see that Nunes appears to have said that in mid-2019. Has he had enough proof since then that no one should trust the FBI or DOJ for generations to come? I’d say so.
Go away rfk. You don’t have a chance sir. We see thru you!
I read this as a politicking gimmick. Kennedy is hoping to hoover up the votes of 100% of the NeverTrumpers along with the 1-2 lonely Americans who have 2nd thoughts about voting for President Trump a third time.
Why a gimmick? It’s a legitimate political issue from the perspective of a legitimate political opponent.
There is an also a lot of pretending in the House: PEOPLE WILL DIE IF WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE IS NOT REAUTHORIZED! There were 86 Republicans that voted against the Biggs amendment that would have required warrants to wiretap American citizens. The one-vote margin makes me suspicious that other Republicans could have been called upon to defeat the amendment if necessary. A one-vote margin maximizes the number of Republicans that can hide their Decepticon nature.
“FISA” is simply a shell-game pretending to be judicial process. The “judges” can only hear one side and cannot verify anything. The accused doesn’t even know. So, they pull out the rubber stamp and that’s it. Nothing else they can do. 🤷♂️
They’ve caught the fblie & doj lying about their “applications” many times & the sheer volume of “unauthorized” illegal searches is akin to an avalanche.
They all know it’s a farce & they continue on as if it’s remotely legal.
They’re “all in” & equally culpable in whole thing.
And, all but one judge looked the other way…
Two thumbs up on Nunes’ quote.
Sadly none of them ever went to jail., unless you count CNN, and other MSM venues jail.
Trump has hit Kennedy hard as of late. Kennedy reciprocating. Should be an interesting rally speech tonight. Lots to cover.
Here is a possibility:
RFK, Jr is basically a Democrat even if at present the Dems won’t have him. It is conceivable, if something extremely untoward should happen to the Dems’ present ringer before the Democrat convention and they are left with Kamala, things might change; but that is highly hypothetical.
There is no such animal as a democrat or republican at any federal level; there is only the Uniparty and the pretend theater.
Break the blinders of the game played out on the DC stage.
The reason is simple, the last reauthorization of the FISA-702 process took place in December/January of 2017/2018
To get the Nunes memo declassified, both President Trump and Devin Nunes used the leverage of FISA-702 reauthorization to force the IC to declassify it. If the ODNI, FBI and DOJ did not agree to declassify the memo and make it public, then 702 would be allowed to expire, and the IC would lose their currency.
Wait… what?
Is this the next Carter Page?
FBI Interrogated Trump’s Valet Driver without Trump’s Knowledge – And Turned Ambush Interview Into Perjury Trap: Court Docs
You know they are spying on him….and probably never stopped.
BTW, Im sure if you asked many Americans about the FISA court system, you would get the deer in the headlights look.
Thank you for exposing that whole treasonous episode, Sundance, I learned much during those years.
You can replace a D behind your name but you can’t remove a D from your heritage.
Well, President shouldn’t have signed the reauthorization of the FISA Law!
How can anyone disagree with that fact? Obviously, the people who advised President Trump were not acting in his or our’s best interest. President Trump knew that the FBI was working against him and using the FISA Law to spy on him. Why would he allow it to continue?
I think you are wrong here. Trump did reauthorize it despite it being used against him. And Trump also never released the full JFK assassination files. Listen I Voted trump twice but Kennedy is clearly a better choice for independents. He won’t be in it so Trump it is
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Just to add a hopeful thought. FIB are not an independently Congressionally-authorized agency or department of the executive branch (as is the CIA), but merely an executive-branch creation of an investigative division of the DOJ. Perhaps we can figure out a way how to clip their wings, dilute and scatter them into discrete specialized functions, or get rid of them entirely.
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He really should t have signed the reaurthorization
RFK Jr’s FISA presser photo
Why not declassify the memo _and_ allow the FISA to expire at the same time?
I never understood that….
Despite RFK knowing or not knowing, is the question that he posed of “If he [Trump] dislikes it, why did Trump sign a FISA extension into law” still a valid one?
Wouldnt we want to know an answer to that? (Ironically, we the plebs probably wont get the answer. The irony being the FISA stuff is about information dredging for **answers** outside of the limit of the agencies mandates — they get YOUR answers and privacy (to be used against you).. you the People do not get an answer)
Disputing RFK as a credible source of the question, as to then not have to answer the question, is kind of familar. The ole “Discredit the source”.
I have no doubt that in this FISA extension case America would not be better off with Trump than with Biden. It will be the same policy.
The dialog and anger and indignation is just a pantomime. Action of the matter is major Republicans and Democrats happily jumped on-board and voted FOR the bill. Case closed.
In two years we can see if Trump will sign the extension. I would put a wager on that we’ll see the exact same result.
Apparently you did not read the post by SD. Can we assume you are not real?
ALL leftist are either Stupid, and/or Ignorant, and/or Evil. Think about what a leftist says and their actions, and they will fit one or all of the categories. Junior fits. Pick one or all.
The FIB is in constant CYA mode..day after day after day…
President Trump did not need the leverage of passage of 702 reauthorization to get the IC to declassify the Nunes Memo or anything. President Trump himself had declassification authority as it is now being asserted. And the 2018 702 reauthorization vote in the House was 256-164 and in the Senate was 65-34, so not enough to override a veto.
See my comment above, Sundance’s tidy scenario /bargain / leverage theory just seems off –
Kennedy is a FILTHY LIBERAL.
He loves the People who killed his Dad and his Uncle. What a complete POS Human he is.
No more explanation is need than this: He’s a Kennedy!
I thought the POTUS had plenary authority to declassify anything he wants to declassify. Why would declassifying the Nunes memo require logrolling between Congress and the IC?
Wisconsin:
US Congressmen from Wisconsin who voted to allow the federal govt (FISA) to spy on each of us without any warrant:
Congressman Glenn Grothman
Congressman Bryan Steil
traitor Congressman Mike Gallagher
So you can be spied on right now, all done in secret, behind sealed doors, and you won’t even know it.
Plus, the congressmen carved out an exception for themselves! FISA can’t do it to them because they are congressmen, its in the law Biden will sign soon. And guess what – all three above support the future election of Roger Roth. Roth is running for the seat coward “US Marine” Gallagher abandoned.
Don’t let the slick brochures or ads sway you to voting for Roger Roth – confirmed he is a bigger RINO than Gallagher.
From Roth’s website: “Politicians in Washington, DC, have become too powerful. I’m running to return the power to taxpayers and get America back on track.” -ROGER ROTH.
This is a complete lie where they do polling to ask what citizens are concerned about, then they slick it up in fancy packaging to trick you into thinking he is on your side….just like traitor Gallagher did. see critical 5 chapters of Jeff O’Donnell’s movie exposing massive election fraud by the voting machines, links in my tweet below, Jeff is right on target one major way of how it was done, is still happening.
Peter Bernegger
Independent Journalist, exposing election fraud.
There are three basic options for this response from RFK Jr.
(1) He really is not that intelligent, and doesn’t know of what he speaks.
(2) He knows the full background context and is pretending not to know.
(3) He’s working on behalf of an alternate interest.
Aren’t we kinda overthinking it a bit . Kennedy’s response seems fair to me . I read sd’ s post and well…maybe Trump shouldn’t have reauthorized FISA . Sd’s having an explanation for trumps reasoning (whether true or not ) doesn’t mean Trump made the right decision.
Just seems like an excuse to bash Kennedy
Nunes’ statement is a little off-target: It’s not that we can’t find a Republican to trust the FIB or the DOJ.
The actual problem is that Americans can’t find a Republican on Capitol Hill that we can trust!
TS/SCI = Top Secret / Special Compartmented Information
When you talk about “silos” in DC, the “compartmented” aspect of clearances is a key tool. Beyond SCI, there are additional silos. SCI info is further compartmented using additional codes. Nothing is labeled “TS/SCI”. It’s labeled “TS/silo” where the silo is the sub compartment.
Of course, big picture, nothing in the Nunes Memo was classified information. None of it. Recall they claimed “people will die” if that memo was declassified. Classic example of using security classifications to conceal illegal or embarrassing information…which is a violation of government policies and in some cases is illegal.
I remember laughing out loud when I read the Nunes memo. Nothing was classified, so why was it marked?
Because what Strzok/Page were doing was ILLEGAL.
All 4 of those in the picture deserve to be tried for treason and receive the ultimate penalty.
RFK Jr. is a complete willing sock puppet of The Deep State.
All in for the climate scam, all in for DEI, all in for the globalist agenda.
He’s as evil as as Biden and the rest of the dem traitors.
The worst womanizer to ever seek the office.
Contemptible human being.
By this logic, then shouldn’t he be pro covid vax and pro big pharma?
She knows.
The Soviet Union then collapsed under Reagan’s pressure only 5 years later.
The CCP is putting pressure on us now.
I guess everybody has the right to be an idiot in America, but RFK jr. really gets his moneys worth.
Just one other thing: In the Soviet Union in 1984, the FSB was called the KGB. They not only spied, but a ran a vast system of prisons called gulags (some were, and I guess still are, above the Arctic Circle) to detain, torture and kill opponents of the regime, though sometimes dissidents were imprisoned in mental hospitals because their views were considered a deviation from the party line; therefore they were considered mentally “sick.”
They are all ‘D & R’ Democrat’s now. I left the discuss platform. Everything is corrupt. Only God can help us now.
I don’t find it so offensive. Maybe he hasn’t considered the reason why it was reauthorized. Pretense because he’s a Kennedy? Perhaps it’s pretentious to assume the two are always synonymous, SD. I’d submit that JFK, by today’s standards, was more conservative than the majority of today’s so-called conservatives.
They will kill Trump before FISA gets killed.
The worst kind of Nostradooming.
Shameful and disgusting.
Trying to scenario play: What would have likely happened if DT did not sign the ReAuth in 17/18? The SC would have been appointed so-wie-so.
RFK annoys me the same way as Rino Ron did. Eventually he’ll be unmasked.
Wasn’t Kash Patel Devin Nunes’ assistant who helped Devin investigate and publish the bad acts of the agencies and actors nvolved?