Unfortunately, as expected the death toll in the Crocus City Hall theater attack has doubled. Russian authorities now put the death toll at 140, with hundreds more injured. The death toll is still expected to continue climbing as rescue workers continue working to find bodies amid the rubble.
This story is a matrix of horror and terrorism. The originators and the motive behind the attack presents as a network of extremely sketchy actors. Do not rush to judgement. Allow the data to surface. Expanded discussion after the facts as presented.
The four terrorist gunmen responsible for the attack were tracked as they fled Moscow and captured in the Bryansk Region of Russia. They were traveling by car southeast away from Moscow toward the border with Ukraine. According to interrogation video {LINK} two of the suspects claimed to be from Tajikistan and were recruited by an unidentified entity in Turkey to carry out the attack.
The claim is they were living in a hostel near north Moscow and were paid $5,000 each (500,000 rubles) to carry out the attack. They were provided the weapons in the Moscow suburb, with instructions to drive southeast to Ukraine for safe harbor after the attack. If accurate and/or truthful, each of these elements creates a datapoint for the Russian intelligence apparatus to identify the source.
The fact that they were captured alive, indicates the people/entity who organized and directed their terror mission wanted them to be captured alive. The fact they were instructed to head to Ukraine, indicates the people/entity who organized their terror mission wanted them to be intercepted en route to Ukraine.
In an address to the country on Saturday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said 11 people had been arrested, including four gunmen suspected of carrying out the attack. President Putin linked what he called a “barbaric terrorist attack” to Ukraine in a carefully worded statement released Saturday. President Putin expressed deep condolences and declared Sunday a National Day of Mourning for those lost.
The terrorists, he said, had “tried to hide and move towards Ukraine, where, according to preliminary data, a window was prepared for them on the Ukrainian side to cross the border.” The Russian President vowed to hold those responsible for the “barbaric terrorist act” to account.
“All the perpetrators, organisers and those who ordered this crime will be justly and inevitably punished. Whoever they are, whoever is guiding them,” Putin said.
“We will identify and punish everyone who stands behind the terrorists, who prepared this atrocity, this strike against Russia, against our people.”
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Unfortunately, there are a myriad of mutually aligned interests who would benefit by provoking Russia into the type of retaliation that can provide them benefit. That’s why we should wait to assemble more information.
The primary geopolitical players who might organize and benefit from the terror attack would be, USA, Ukraine, Turkey and Israel, or a combination therein. Each nation has an independent motive that aligns with the larger objective to draw Russia into a bigger conflict with the “West.”
Whoever told the terrorists to seek safe harbor in Ukraine, wanted to give Russian President Putin the publicly pressuring impression that Ukraine was involved. This is a big datapoint that must be overlaid against the interests of those who organized the attack.
While the Muslim Brotherhood does not like Vladimir Putin at all, the organizer of this attack was not likely to be ISIS-K as the media keep saying.
Keep watching.
CIA and 51 current and former intelligence officers say this story is Russian disinformation.
And the Russians blew up their own Nordstream.
Nuland….
Because of course it is.
https://rumble.com/v4l1cm9-last-month-victoria-nuland-promised-russia-would-face-nasty-surprises-this-.html
Nudelman will never truly “retire”, not as long as she is still breathing. Creating chaos is just too damn much fun.
None of this miscreants will stop, recant, back down, or negotiate, so long as they are breathing.
Wjich actually makes the only answer, both obvious and easy, because they are responsible by leaving us no other choice but to render them,…NOT breathing.
Putin said ‘retribution and oblivion’. Likely one then the other, a nasty combo.
As was pointed put by RG and BK below.
Ty dutch for the compliment about Yugoslavia, second one I got from one of my peers here. I am honored.
seems to be a major problem theses days…psychopathic lack of remorse,guilt or empathy vs our christian heritage
The West in all its guises…from the CIA to NATO… have been jabbing their fingers in Putin’s chest for two years, goading him to strike so Article V can be invoked.
He hasn’t obliged them.
Frustrated and increasingly unhinged, they’ve decided, I believe, to throw all their chips on the table.
I mean, what is life to them?
Nothing…
Betsy,
Maybe my favorite meme EVER from this conflict! 🤣…..my next favorite was :
https://twitter.com/AndrewChesnut1/status/1497728066877112325/photo/1
re: Why Ukranians were handing out sunflower seeds to Russian soldiers (in the beginning)
In the beginning, yes, Clayton. Powerful in so many ways. Even more so in hindsight as the Ukrainian losses mount up.
Or as a commenter on Zerohedge said…
Pharaoh Biden won’t be happy until every first born Ukrainian is dead.
Oh boy…
So I must add also that I saw a small video of Russian soldiers cornering a Ukrainian one. When they were right on top of this soldier, they discovered it was a woman…
A PREGNANT woman, cowering, crying, and fearful.
The shock in the voices of the Russians was unmistakable.
So it seems Pharaoh Biden wants the mothers of the first born to come as well.
Repugnant, inhumane, and just pure evil.
If Nuland and Power were not around, we could at least have six months of ease.
Part of me, WSB, wonders if this government isn’t trying stage a “national emergency” here. November 5 isn’t that far away.
Are they that desperate?
Yes, Bet, they are that desperate.
Desperation is a reaction to fear of losing control.
And we all suffer when they’re desperate.
For those paying attention, BK, there is the odor of it most certainly. Events are overtaking their plans and agenda…hat tip to Lord Macmillan.
Their hubris is going to cost us all.
Great reminder Bet.
And Putins crazy as a bedbug,…and has brain cancer,…and is just not avery nice person, so THERE!,…OH, and he poisoned Navalny!
does he do mean tweets?
The media/propaganda arm of the DC regime have been increasingly hyperbolic. In the end their headlines sound like a bad unbelievable script for some B movie. The Daily Mail has been the absolute worst.
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And we should listen to you because…?
I think you forgot to put the /sarc/.
Good one, you caught me!
Can you imagine the amount of torture that Russians are applying to these assassins. They would have been better off killing themselves. Remember what they always say: Never poke the BEAR. One thing about Putin, he always plays it cool. He won’t do anything until he has all the answers. And if the USA was involved which I am sure they were, you can expect major scenarios like what happened in Russia to happen here.
If that’s the case, I hope it’s D.C.
Do you think most Americans would be upset of a Russian coordinated terror attack on D.C. killed off half the shakers and movers in Congress and Biden’s Administration (since they all love living there in $multi-million mansions, that’s where they’ll be on most weekends)?
Hmm, I think most Americans would probably be upset that his attack only took out HALF of them.
This is a very weird time, when American patriots who have served and/or fought for this country, would think of such an attack as a “cleansing moment” for the USA’s government, rather than an attack upon this country’s heart and soul (i.e. “… our DEMOCRACY is under attack”) since the Communist, Constitution hating Democrats and half of elected Republicans (you know, the thoroughly corrupt ones, not the run of the milk, just narcissistic and self-interested onces) might be gone, and American might once again, have the opportunity to be free.
The best way to tell if such an attack is coming? Well, everyone and his brother in the CIA/FBI/DHS will be fleeing D.C. as quickly as possible, with the elected politicians right on their tails. It’ll kind of be like the sea withdrawing from shore before the Tsunami hits.
or the UN?(sarc)
That works too!
Take ’em alive unless you do not need to.
Jack Posobiec said they would almost strip them bare, put them in the forest for the cold to take care of them.
I heard him. He was likely being polite. There are many more things they will do to them. They won’t be so kind as to let these perps fall gently asleep in the forest, on their way to heavily justice. (Put another way, they may eventually get their 72 pretty virgins, but they won’t be going there with any equipment left to utilize their charms.)
That is exactly what the war mongering fools who are pushing for WWIII want him to do and when he does not fall for it they will stage their own ” terrorist attack ” and blame it on Russia. Geez I hope I am wrong but it seems they have the WWIII agenda on fast forward
My bet is the CIA was involved…
Most likely the dupes who carried out the attack don’t know the actual identities of whoever hired them. They only know who their employers were posing as. They probably were fed an elaborately constructed story about who the masterminds were, none of which is true.
Excellent point on the terrorists being fed false information as to who is responsible.
One said ‘the preacher’ was the one who contacted him. That was all he knew. He was known because he had attended a program.
I see no rags, and thats part of the problem, isn’t it?
i disagree. isis fighters are proud muslims WANTING to die for the cause. would never submitt to being captured imho. and plus, its ramadan..but what do i know? nothing actually
Heed the call to wait for more information.
There are so many questions/oddities with the attack that point to layers of obfuscation.
Just a few:
1) Jihadis would use the people as hostages to prolong the terror event then burn it all down and join Allah. They shot, started a fire and ran.
2) The ‘run for Ukraine’ is odd in that they ran with the same car they arrived in and were all together – very poor tradecraft – are we even sure they are the same guys and not just some simpletons paid to take the fall?
3) No mention of Allah Akbar? Along with not planning on joining Allah, these guys just do not seem to fit the Jihadi terrorist profile – they just appear to come from the correct geography.
4) Who exactly in ISIS-K claim responsibility……..and why to US intel???
There are many unanswered questions. The first in MHO would be to prove that the guys ‘captured’ are the ones who actually carried out the deed.
Dead men tell no tales, so the fact that they are alive after such a horrific act is because that is part of the plan/deception.
The type of muzlim terrorists they have in Russia aren’t exactly like the iran / iraq / saudi terrorists who scream akbar and blow themselves up. Look at the brothers who did the Boston marathon bombings. Different mentality of evil.
Your questions/oddities demonstrate this is not like the Chechen attack on the Moscow theater in 2002 or the Beslan school in 2004. Of course, we had the dubious “the Chechen’s did it” when Nemtsov was assassinated in 2015. Funny, the assassins were reportedly paid $250,000 to kill Nemtsov and these alleged Tajiks only got 20k?
The shooters could be from ISIS, but that does not mean ISIS concocted the event.
One can never be certain that anything we see coming out of Moscow, much like DC, is the truth. I am confident, however, the Russians will act with extreme prejudice against every supporter, friend and family member of the perpetrators. I recall in the 1980s in Beirut when groups in Lebanon were seizing Western hostages several Russians were taken. The Sovs quickly rounded up two dozen Lebanese “fighters,” put a bullet in the head of one of them, and tossed his body in the middle of a main Beirut street with a sign pinned to the body reading “One a day.” Their hostages were returned immediately.
I have a sense there has been a change ………..Crocus has changed things.
Obfuscation/fog-of-war/deniability/miss-direction……….the SMO mentality has been discarded.
Pepe says uniformed French, Polish and Germany troops are now south of Kiev (https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/03/23/its-war-real-meat-grinder-starts-now/ ).
A 1980’s Soviet “One a day” body Rx……..could potential turn into a one a day 2024 nuke Rx.
Whatever the 2024 Rx may be, there will be blood and turmoil……….
Retribution? That word stands out.
You caught that too, I see.
He knows who did it…As do other real world leaders. 🙂
We have seen a lot of ISSIS fighters thru the years. These do NOT look like them. Anyway it’s always a riddle who perpetrates these operations . Nothing is ever as it looks nor how the media portray it. The sheeple are already in their pens with ISIS did it but This little puzzle will take some time to figure out. Bad s___t is ramping up rapidly.
Tajik muslims look more Russian kind of like Chechyns
Wouldn’t ISIS have blown themselves up?
More than likely, yes.
CYA.
If Ukraine is as destroyed as it is said to be, and IF they have lost so many people to this war as is reported, is it conceivable that Ukrainians mounted this attack as retribution? And it was aided and abetted by entities that could use it for their own purposes? Sundance gives good advice. Wait and see. Then evaluate.
If you make an accusation such as this “The primary geopolitical players who might organize and benefit from the terror attack would be, USA, Ukraine, Turkey and Israel, or a combination therein. Each nation has an independent motive that aligns with the larger objective to draw Russia into a bigger conflict with the ‘West.’ ” you should explain why, aside from Ukraine, would be in the interest of USA, Turkey or Israel, to draw Russia into a direct conflict with the “West”.
If you can’t see it, you must be blind.
Yeah, if you need to ask, ,….you need to spend time in the archives,…
Would be amazed if one time instead of snark the OP offered their reasoning to counter Sundance.
Then invite debate.
I respect my host and respect his views. I did not ask for a debate, I asked for an explanation. There was neither sarcasm or snark in my question, it was an honest query regarding a very serious problem. That nobody has even attempted to answer it except for Martyj is an answer itself, and a rather depressing one.
To bring about war (the endless wars) to bring about chaos and to BBB in a new world nazi order.
Because our economy is on the precipice of collapse, along with the dollar, and along with it the federal debt-including the several hundred trillion in government employee pensions. The govt is spending $27 billion per day right now, that’s $6 trillion per year. The situation can either collapse on its own, or be a controlled collapse so that the imperial class can run off with what assets remain. What’s the best way to do that? Get the populace embroiled in a war with the world’s biggest bogeyman.
And along with the monetary collapse due to debt they can bring in the CBDC.
I’ll give you two possibilities
the WEF and the British pilgrims society, the puppet masters aka “the globalists”. Possibilities nothing more.
Russia stands in their way, and they are big mad.
Well the US is obvious since Ukraine is their puppet state fighting the US’ proxy war against Russia.
Lurk more.
MH did ask a moderately naive question but I did not detect snark or sarcasm. Question was met with ridicule and snark – Martyj’s thoughts were articulate, thoughtful and friendly, seems many are quick to denigrate anyone who questions Sundance. Peace and MAGA
One reason may be to feed the military industrial complex.
Thank you for the update, continuing condolences for those lost and prayers for those injured and I’ll continue my posit from the last thread… It appears they’re from where I figured and I continue to maintain they had help and it came from the Central Intelligence Agency, of course through intermediaries and assets. 🙂
Another possibility: Let’s not leave the PeeRC out of the equation. If Russia and the USA/West rip each other to pieces, who benefits? I still contend the ChiComs may have done the Nordstream , for the same reasons. Certainly they know a guy, who knows a guy, for such odd jobs.
…and make it look like the USA did it.
Too easy.
Do they allow waterboarding in Russia?
I think they go straight to using the board and skip the water.
I would not want to be a prisoner there after slaughtering innocents, and I’m a little baffled that they let themselves be taken alive.
They don’t look like the sharpest patsies on the block.
”Five……THOUSAND…..dollars….!”
ALL…..in the SAME getaway car……?
Lee Harvey Oswald notwithstanding (as we may never definitively know) as an archetype,
I’d say these were impressionable stooges…..patsies…. Not unlike your lost and not too bright, Antifa or blm cult followers…. that needed to feel somehow more important or consequential than their lives up to that point would otherwise make them feel……
They didn’t die at the scene because they never planned to…… this was not a religious calling….they were NOT Jihadists…..nor would I guess even STRICT Muslims ….
These look like desperate lost tools of a greater evil. And contrary to what many are bloviating about, our deep state does NOT want to trigger a nuclear exchange in our CURRENT reprehensible and EMBARRASSINGLY WEAK defensive and economic current state…….We already got WAY OUT OVER OUR SKIIS once, in this f@€k!ng STUPID PROXY WAR with the Nordstream botched abortion….
But THAT had a YUGE economic incentive with no deplorable collateral sacrificial human debt associated with it…..
…… Sooooo…..I ask, who would benefit from the U.S. APPEARING to have OUR fingerprints on this …..?
Asking for a friend…….
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Needed the Intel.
Information is invaluable.
They played it right.
So unjihadi of them to not go down in virgin glory!
Yes and it’s the electrically enhanced kind as well …
Red is positive. Black is ground. Place in areas to get truth!
That’s good
Lol.
I’m guessing they have far more inventive ways to extract information.
‘Old school is the best school “ was what good Ol’ Beria (the Soviet secret head ) use to say back in the day , before he got the chop himself from Stalin ..
This…….
was one…….
https://t.me/intelslava/56482
Tajikistan, huh?
Where has news about that popped up in the recent past? 👀
Just sayin.
Narratives pushing ISIS did it in 3, 2, ….
It’s a known Muslim extremist Republic in Russia and their people are flooding Russia, attacking and abusing he Russian natives.
Tajikistan is not in “Russia.”
It is an independent country.
However, it was part of the former Soviet Union.
And as far as flooding Russia with their people, what are your sources?
Because I don’t believe for a split second, Russia would allow that.
BK, there you go again, interjecting facts, and even worse accurate geography, to distract from a great narrative! /sarc
To be fair – it was part of Tsarist imperial Russia when conquered from Mongol overlord rulers in 1890s and then part of the Soviet Union after Russian Revolution in 1917 – and only declared itself an Independent country , like other break aways on the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1990s
it had always been a restive area and their were periodic moslem/jiadist type revolts there that were put down by the Tsarist troops – Stalin kicked them pretty hard with purges and gulag expulsions
Not on my bucket list ….
Not happening.
If this has an iota of truth to it, I can hear the MSM now, preaching to their sheeple audience about how the Russian gov is “ethnic cleansing” the area you speak of. The MSM will not mention any of the 140, (maybe more), Russians killed or injured this attack, all they will be preaching is how Russia is retaliating!!!
BTW, where is slojoe in condemning this atrocity?
Narrative shift to pushing Russia for black flagging themselves took 14 minutes. 👀
Remembering Sundance’s thread about Moldova.
Still in the offing I’m guessing.
There’s already stuff going on there per European alt media.
Something the other day mentioned the government is screwing with the ethnic Russians over in that area Russia still controls.
My guess is a takeover and use for transit into Ukraine for that 3 country assembly of troops massing in Poland.
If that happens, Russia will unleash hell on that reported 300,000 man force.
Sundance’s March 2023 thread on Moldova…one year ago.
He had another earlier this year but the archives did not bring it up.
Nevertheless…
So sorry, BK…forgot to post the link.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=Moldova
Seems Moldova had limited strategic value other than a river port. So sad – my heart breaks for the common folk who just want to live a simple, peaceful life.
Couple of my favorite YouTube channels are Pavlov from Ukraine and the other is Natasha a young village girl is from Russia – reminds me a bit of my early raising on a poor s central Kentucky farm – make it last or do without – a couple of hard working young families that shows modern is maybe easier but is it better – time will tell
When Vladimir Putin vows Retribution, I’d believe him.
Things are growing worse and more dangerous by the day- by the hour !!
I know, I pray that our sophomoric State Department, or IC, wasn’t involved.
Due to the regression in intelligence and talent, they’re getting in way over their heads.
They seem to have not just forgot, but actually abandoned the whole concept of COVERT,…I mean that parting statement from Nuland,…c’mon man they WANT credit, …
Well, when we were attacked by mostly Saudis on 9/11 we went after Iraq and Afghanistan, so using that precedent, Putin might well retaliate against anyone he’d care to for this attack carried out by Turks.
The big difference here is Russia’s attackers are alive and talking. We got the Patriot Act after 9/11, let’s see what the Russians will do.
Should have read thru before posting, great comment
Aren’t the Russians partnered up with the Turks for equipment, or oil, gas or something????
Yes, I thought that Erdogon and Putin were on amicable terms? Turkey brokered the peace deal that Boris blew-up!
Why would Turkey want to kill Russians and antagonize Putin for no reason!
Turkey, the US, and Russia are in Syria. Russia legally, US and Turkey illegally.
Remember that Turkey promised to keep the Azov militias who were released in a prisoner exchange between Russia and Ukraine. They were to keep them for the duration of the conflict, but Turkey released them. Erdogan plays his own game.
I used to say the US should have went to the Orthodox Christian Serbs for anti-Jihadist IC mercenary training, but they couldn’t because the jihadists are theirs
And hustled whole tents full of Saudi royals out of Palm Beach and back to their desert paradise.
Since ‘Merica has interfered in nations for multiple decades and even done so much harm to its own citizens, seems like a no brainer.
👉5 e y e s 👀 I C continue with this nonstop aggressive intrusion with their globalist Tyranny 👈
😳Hard to track 👣 their nefarious manipulations but the stench is familiar(Nordstream pipeline?)🤔
+ 1.
You sir, have nailed it!
There is not enough money in the world that I would take to murder 140+ innocent people. Yet people, governments, and corporations do it frequently and do not lose a night’s sleep.
Normal, well adjusted people do not seek power. I present to you Nuland. Oh and pudgy boy with the twin. Noone normal.
It’s hard for me to fathom how a man can get to that place.
When one chooses not to worship and obey God above all else, they are freely opening and I would say inviting Satan to guide their lives. Thus, Satan gladly directs their conscious acts and thoughts. They may not be losing sleep now but they certainly will be condemned to eternal perdition for their continued wickedness and transgressions against God.
The men who carried this out filmed their massacre. Before their arrest they managed to “boast” online about killing defenseless people and mercilessly mock people who were already dead – while they were driving to the Ukrainian border to receive a reward. I refuse to watch it or post a link to it.
That’s some of the same things Hamas did in Israel, seems to be a jihadi MO
Latent psychopathy is almost a prerequisite being a successful corporate CEO.
Gosh, those wacky CIA guys are at it again. What are we goimng to do with them.
C I A? I hope not.
Your tax dollars at work?
Again?
Now THATS HOPIUM!
Last Month, Victoria Nuland Promised Russia Would Face ‘Nasty Surprises’ This Year (rumble.com)
Now we see why Nuland just fled her post like a Norwegian Wharf Rat off a sinking ship of State after vowing “asymmetric warfare” and “nasty surprises”. She promised to blow up NordStream, too, and delivered. Adm. Kirby warned of concerts and shopping malls in what was a thinly-bearded admission of guilt.
The CIA just installed a new top general in Kiev with a history of terrorism. And handed him a pile of our money. No wonder Langley NEEDS to blame ISIS. Flagger, please.
Congratulations also to the House of Representatives: $60 Billion Dollars for poorly-disguised Terrorist Attacks in Moscow–Good Job, Congress! Way to Stand with Your Nazi Allies!
Rest in the Vine: Obama Was Sent to London by His Bankster Owners to Discuss
the CIA’s Upcoming Terrorist Attack in Moscow with Britain’s Installed Puppet Leader
We use to play the game where’s Waldo, now we wonder where’s Obama.
Excellent, and let us not forget that the filth in israel threatened Russia recently ; and that israel and US co-manage isis in the mideast, particularly in Syria n Iraq.
Que bono,…who benefits?
Now if only Putin’s retribution were to take out TPTB, wouldn’t that be glorious. I don’t doubt they’re ultimately behind this evil attack against Russian citizens enjoying life. The satanic PTB can’t stand faith in Jesus Christ or happy people. If you think about it you’ll know it’s true. Sadly we have many satanists in our country, many as wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Four years now I’ve been saying that the GPS coordinates for Davos, and the dates of the WEF picnics there, are public information.
Me, too. If we rrally had James Bond type, he would set offan avalanche that would bury the whole town, or something.
So much killing for so little. Poor people probably. Whoever paid them to do this has no regard for life either of the shooters or the victims. Strange thing is, there are so many that could be named. Sad, very sad.
So they used Tajiks instead of Chechens- the reason -because the latter fight to the death ? Suspending judgement … on all fronts ..
“Claimed” to be.
What if I told you that Tajikistan allowed a whole bunch of Afghan refugees into their country some time back and one of those four countries SD named contributed donations for that to happen? 👀
I’m sure they are performing a DNA as we speak – I know the CIA gang is here in full force – but I’ll wait until the Russians get the results back from Ancestery .com …
Don’t these guys look and sound like the ones recruited by the FBI to do the Assasination of Queen Whitmer, Govenor of Michigan?
Same play book…
The Russians will get the information they want out of them, one way or another. It is not farfetched to think that this was a Ukranian sponsored attack, although I wouldn’t think they’d want them showing up in their back yard. Interesting times.
That should be “deadly” times.
Must be Nuland’s parting gift before she officially steps down.
I would not be surprised however it probably will never be proven.
If she was involved she better have protection 24/7 because the Ruskies will get to her.
I doubt she has stepped down form her activities but rather moved on to another cover location.
Only 500K rubles to become mass murderers? These fellows work cheap. And they aren’t going to be living in the Russian prision system for decades like the mass murderers here.
I wonder how long they thought about the implications of their actions before they rushed in? Fools.
No pity from me.
And, don’t forget Russia benefits as well. Just like Putin did when he instigated the apartment bombing and blamed the Chechens and then launched the assault on Chechnya. Sacrificing innocents to benefit Mother Russia and consolidate public opinion and righteous indignation can be a powerful tool.
Nobody has ever defended their MOTHERLAND like the Russians.
It’s good common sense to give these incidents 7-10 days to gain perspective, whether it be an international incident or a mass shooting in the US (3 or more killed, which more often than not happens in Chicago every weekend).
I’m sure of one thing, though. The Russians will deal with them way more effectively than we would.
The Russians do not “fool around” when it comes to dealing with terrorists.
The do more than what we are told the US & other countries do where they use “2-3 skips” of communications to wiretap.
No, I understand the Russians to use the 2-3 skips idea but with the families & friends of the terrorists to be eliminated & none will see another tomorrow.
Go against the Russians to terrorize & they will eliminate ALL of your family & friends is how I am understanding it.
Making sure that no one can tell the tale of what was done & brag on it or persuade those families & friends to “avenge”.
If they are “not there anymore” , no one will take up their cause to terrorize.
“ALL CONJECTURE”, of course.
I can’t imagine anyone being so ruthless & “efficient” in dealing with terrorist. (<< heh heh oh yes I can, I was using S/ . )
All I can imagine is that those who say they don’t “negotiate” with terrorists… Do….
Except the Russians…
I would not want to be a friend or family of those “terrorists’…
Nope…
I agree 100%. Time will bring perspective.
I still keep thinking of Obama in London. For some reason Obama and his friends want war with Russia. Maximum chaos to destroy the system to BBB. Re-creating society in the beasts image.
Follow the money. Those four expensive known properties don’t pay for themselves. Apparently they also have (had?) one in Ann Arbor’s toniest neighborhood for the younger brat so she could go to law school before she bailed for California. We can bet they’re not renting one bedroom apartments for the two girls in LA.
When they went down the path of attacking with Bio-Weapons, city-burning and Stolen Elections, this Government of Occupation committed itself to committing ever-greater and greater crimes, like the tightening swirl of a toilet flushing.
The Number One job for the #ObamaSyndicate now is to cling to power somehow and avoid federal prison or worse.
This chaos must fit in somehow to that wicked scheme.
$$$$$$
Obama is intellectually and physically lazy. He is just a messenger boy/Puppet the same as Biden is. He isn’t pulling strings, he is just passing on orders from his handlers.
This smells a lot like 9/11 and the recent Gaza attacks. Everyone’s hair was on fire in US intel before the 9/11 attacks as the attackers were living in US hotels using credit cards in their own names but the FBI did not use the proprietary software it had for tracking credit cards , so the last chance to stop the attacks was lost.
Israel’s neighbours were warning it that an attack was imminent but the Mossad the premier intel agent in the world knew nothing. Russia was warned about a possible attack and not only did nothing it has no intel of it’s own? Russian intel is non existent. Prior to the war and during the war they have been wrong, wrong and wrong again leading many in Russia to suspect that Russian intel has been severely compromised by Langley. Obviously this is good for Putin , this will enable full mobilisation and widening of the war which is needed. Just as the US government got the American and five eyes people behind it after 9/11 all of the Russian people and Russia’s allies will rally behind Putin and support whatever he wants , perfect.
Usually when offering that much baloney it is sliced into smaller paragraphs.
Where’s your Captain Picard meme with his hand on his forehead?
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣
The good captain was not on deck to witness this dreck.
Yeah, gags otherwise, and with a strong gag reflex, I tend to upchuck.
So, Russia is losing, because their intel is hopelessly outclassed by,…(turn my head soI don’t splash all over my phone)
LANGLEY,….RIIIIIGHT!
Remember when terrorist killed the school children and burned it to the ground. Think it was some
Islamic terrorist organization -maybe the same . How a small group of men could destroy and kill so many.911 God help this broken world
My money is on the guy behind our “tough guy”in the WH with the funny shoes via an alphabet agency that begins with C and ends in A.
Glad you are back and hopefully safe from your travels Sundance.
Posobiec’s take on this for what it is worth
umble.com/v4l1cm9-last-month-victoria-nuland-promised-russia-would-face-nasty-surprises-this-.html
A different perspective , yes ,. Could be .? Maybe the “employers “ whomever they are ( hire cheap /what did they expect ) were hoping the Russian Spetsnaz ( the Russian Special Forces guys with the cool blue and white lined undershirts – think original Red Dawn Movie with late /great Patrick Swayze) would have done as expected /hoped and put about 3000 or so bullet holes in that car? IDK
They learned with Oswald, not to plan or count on it.
These guys were caught, because the people behind it intended for them to get caught, otherwise they would have insured otherwise.
If your going to poke the bear, in order to provoke it into responding by attacking you, its importantyhat it know you were the one that poked it.
Not going debate it —I got all that yesterday -know the drill …
Poso running cover for his MIC employers.
Strange happenings, for sure.best to wait for more details
Didn’t Victoria Nuland promise some actions coming soon?
Part of her & the war criminal Neocons Overseas Toys for Jihadists airdrop program
They also accidentally met and partied with them, with representatives of both wings of the Uniparty posing for pics with ISIS leaders,…accidentally.
“All the perpetrators, organizers and those who ordered this crime will be justly and inevitably punished. Whoever they are, whoever is guiding them,” Putin said.
“We will identify and punish everyone who stands behind the terrorists, who prepared this atrocity, this strike against Russia, against our people.”
Putin knows who was responsible for the killing of his people, and he knows that the US government was involved. biden and associates got their war, because Putin is coming.
Whatever he does, I hope he does it to DC as well.
Intelligence gold catching them breathing and able to talk.
Those behind this, wanted them caught. Look at Nulands words, they are poking the bear, to try to provoke a responce, just like Mueller team did with PDJT, trying to get him to fire them.
THEY are desperate, they have reached the end of their rope and REALLY need Putin to come thru for them, NOW.
Hopefully, just as PDJT resisted the temptation to fire Mueller team, despite the provocation, Putin will resist giving them what they desperately need, a provocation to a wider war.
FJB
Too many will not understand the significance of this display by the Emirates.
Erdogan is a slithery creature, a co b ra at his core.
The Saudis are part of B RICS, so they will defend their fried a n d economic partner.
The economic cleaving that Sundance alludes to, is becoming a political and a war time cleaving.
At a time, when the military is looking for recruits, and is alluding to involuntary drafts!
A black swan event could e an external attack-unexpected, along with a planned internal terrorist type infrastructure attack. They have millions at their service via government give phones-who hold the names and umbers of those phones? DHS-mayorkas. Or they could wait util after the election. Ad of course, illegals can carry guns but we cannot.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/breaking-biden-regime-launches-federal-gun-grab-operation
That ought to keep the election at bay and spread chaos. The ability to sow evil by these psychopaths is uncanny. They must be getting their directions and power from hell itself!
Lord help us.
Hi friend, they are more slithery than most know. With Saudi Arabia vying with them for who is the most slitherine of the Middle East chess pieces
So true and thank you, Colkitto.
These are evil times.
People wander how can these people be so evil. I worked, decades ago, with a guy who was an abortionist for PP. He also had a private practice. He’d kill a baby, likely moving when prodded under ultrasound guidance, and later would claim that he did not fish nor hunt because he did not want “to kill anything”. no joke. He really thought that the moving baby was not a living thing/ person-because… he thought so. Relativism at its core. We define reality. Until it bites us in the butt.
Whoever can do that-kill an unborn term baby-will justify the killing of anyone, under any circumstances.
Have a blessed Holy Week and let’s pray for His grace to permeate the whole Creation.
So, an Islamic country (UAE) stands with Russia.
Well that just doesn’t fit the “ISIS did it” narrative coming out of the US IC controlled, does it?
🤔
I wonder what the UAE is really saying here?
“IC controlled MSM”
The MarxMerdia is an integral part of the Derp State.
It must be destroyed along with that Derp State.
marxmerdia : – ))
Black, just mentioned above that, many will not understand the significance of the Emirates and this display; and you give them a very very big clue.
I wonder too, other than, we support Russia, and hinting that it wasn’t ISIS.
ISIS-K is a CIA invention.
Andy McCarthy: The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist, National Review
Glenn Greenwald: THE FAKE TERROR THREAT USED TO JUSTIFY BOMBING SYRIA, The Intercept
ISIS-K is an invention of those who invented the CIA.
ISIS. Egyptian Goddess.
K ->
11th letter of the Alphabet.
1 1
1+1 Media
owned by Kolomoisky, finder of the Azov battalion, dual Ukrainian and Israeli national.
Elon Musk knows. He tweeted. 1 + 1 about 2 years ago.
Human sacrifice to awakened ancient God (i.e. Demon) by Ukrainian priestess:
https://twitter.com/pilotmsv/status/1513131559834079234/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1513131559834079234¤tTweetUser=pilotmsv
“Welcome to Hell. ”
These people are sick.
Innocent blood is something they enjoy.
Is that priestess ethnic Ukrainian? 👀
Most ethnic Ukrainians are Eastern Orthodox.
An actress.
Fitting companion for an actor / comedian.
But who wrote the script?
And
Who is writing the script?
Don’t forget the Communists in Russia who would benefit too.
And those across their own southern border!
What communists in Russia?
And don’t forget to try to deflect from Sundance’s analysis.
It seems to be more Islamoterrorism, but I am going to wait for more information.
It also seems like ISIS is resurging under FJB’s watch.
What a piece of shyte our president.
If Putin is vowing retribution, God help those involved.
Have seen multiple comparisons on other sites today comparing this to 7 Oct. I doubt the Russians will behave like Israel has.
Behave? Do tell, what is the proper etiquette to employ after an enemy rapes and kills more than a thousand of your fellow citizens?
God bless the innocent Russians and the families that have lost loved ones.
The Palestinians knew Israel was coming with the all fire and brimstone of Old Testament retaliation.
When Russia gets their revenge, I doubt the people who planned this will see it coming. They’ll likely be hit when they’re not expecting it, in places they didn’t expect to be reached.
I’m not knocking Israel or their reaction (in case you don’t know, I have family there). I’m simply pointing out that I think the way the two countries handle terrorists will very different.
I stand corrected. I interpreted the word “behave” as disingenuous. I am just thoroughly fed up with the pro-Hamas cadre in this country.
I pray there are no American fingerprints on this horrible event in Russia. I would be surprised to find out there aren’t.
I apologize for not being more clear in my choice of words.
For background, I’m a dual US citizen and English has not always been my primary language. I refer to the terrorists in the Levant almost exclusively as “Hamassholes.” I’m Orthodox, with a degree that focused heavily on Russian and eastern Asian history and politics, so watching Russia and Putin’s movements in that context has fascinated me.
I am with you entirely in your prayers for the victims and the hope that the US wasn’t involved.
Nice to meet you.
I don’t think Russia will worry about enemy collateral damage.
I’m pretty sure Miya wasn’t saying anything negative about Israel’s response. I think they were implying that Israel has actually acted with some restraint, under the circumstances… and that Russia/Putin very likely will NOT. Once Vlad figures out who the bad guys are, they’re gonna regret ever being born.
I spent weeks worrying and praying for my family. Every time I got the notification of bombs in their neighborhood I prayed they made it to shelter in time. Their homes were damaged, a car was totaled, and a friend needed stitches from shrapnel wounds.
They weren’t even in the worst of it. I hate Hamas and everything they stand for. Israel has shown enormous restraint considering they could have leveled the whole region. I really don’t see Russia acting the same way.
Thanks for the confirmation… I was pretty sure that’s what you meant. Prayers for your relatives in Israel.
Appreciate that. They need all the prayers they can get.
We’ll see. If it really was Tajikistan involved, will Putin level it?
I doubt it. He’ll go for the head of the snake.
Russia is giving the west a pointed example of the rule of law. A country identifies and arrests the people involved alive and able to talk, questions them, gets witness information, collects evidence at the scene and video evidence for a trial in the future.
I mean, they also allegedly cut off one of the terrorists ears and stuffed it in his mouth when he wouldn’t answer them, but I understand what you mean and don’t disagree.
They get ish done. And I’m not so squishy as to think we need to treat monsters gently because some law tells us to.
They have not yet identified the entity who arranged it. If they identify Ukraine don’t expect them to worry about civilian collateral damage or not bomb because civilians might be killed
OMG. I want Israel to survive and thrive. The IDF must exterminate Hamas. You are on the other side-the side of the terrorists, I guess.
I wish you had explained what you meant by “behave” before I posted. I apologize.
I’m more than a little skeptical of this story.
These gunmen were listening to an Oman on the internet and then they were recruited to kill infidels.
This online recruitment of four random men who may or may not know how to use weapons that were waiting for them is already hard to believe and then they are sent to a large mall with a concert venue inside where they had no clue where they might be going or if there were armed guards waiting when they arrived since they had never been there before.
After the incredibly small chance any of that happened these four random untrained internet hires are so successful in their objective that I would think an elite special forces unit had been there.
I’ll be waiting for the updated version of this story.
Do, almost like these guys are,…oh I don’t know,…PATSIES or something?
Expendable assets.
An analysis of the early videos of the attack, indicated that these men were well trained. They were organized, coordinated with each other well, knew how to handle the weapons and grenades, reloading smoothly, knew where they were going and targeted individuals, didn’t just spray bullets randomly. They knew where and how to exit.
They weren’t just random people.
Exactly! These weren’t just some people who answered an anonymous email to kill like the one testified during interrogation.
They were well trained and had worked together for a long time, and they knew the layout of the building they attacked.
Plus even more telling to me was the total disregard for innocent lives when they massacred their victims.
Those men the Russians were interrogating are not the shooters in my opinion
Hillary Clinton emails leak: Wikileaks documents claim Democratic nominee ‘thinks Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund Isis’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-leak-wikileaks-saudi-arabia-qatar-isis-podesta-latest-a7355466.html
Turkey is a NATO member, for them to be funding terrorist groups ISIS & Al-‘Qaeda’ who were told did the 9/11 terror attack is high treason to America & Americans, and NATO itself. (Saudi Arabia, UAE also, but they are not NATO members)
““The Turks were great friends,” he notes, adding that he recently spent considerable time with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and they have “a great relationship.” Ditto the Saudis and the Emiratis. But when it came to Syria and the effort to bring down President Bashar Assad there, those allies’ policies wound up helping to arm and build allies of al Qaeda and eventually the terrorist “Islamic State.””
““What were they doing?” Biden asked rhetorically. “They were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens, thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad — except that the people who were being supplied were al Nusra and al Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.””
VP Biden Apologizes for Telling Truth About Turkey, Saudi and ISIS
https://www.thedailybeast.com/vp-biden-apologizes-for-telling-truth-about-turkey-saudi-and-isis
USA CIA was working with Turkey and saudi
CYA? SMH.
Worried she and John might get out bid?
US/ukraine
The pictured men do not appear to be muzzlies.. they look like they have been under fed most their life.. the hair cuts a fresh along with the face fuzz.. I do know they did not operate the firearms previously shown without extensive training .. the spin really smells
They supposedly used Kalashnikov AK variants of some kind. You know the favorite firearm of every untrained peasant army for the last 65 years. Have you ever seen some of the AKs being used in Africa?
War hostages?
Released to do a job for their freedom, and a thousand virgins and 500k rubles would be waiting for them in Ukraine?
Although I heard you can’t spend rubles there, so what’s up with that?
Sundance, you have given me the gift of patience. The ability to step back and wait for the dust to settle before
making conclusions. I’m sure God actually gave it to me but you are the one that brought it out and for that I thank
you.
This is one of those times.
The 48 hr rule applies to everything.
With the limited information we have at this time, putting a number of recent events together, my current best speculation is that the US folks who deal directly with Ukraine have become increasingly fed up with their Ukraine counterparts, particularly with their direct attacks inside Russia. There are also noises about there being ISIS fighters in Ukraine to fight Russians. WTF?
Sounds like we got wind of some kind of public attack inside Moscow being planned by some rogue operatives inside Ukraine (perhaps some ISIS fighters there organizing it) and tried to get word out without outright naming them and giving them up. Nuland disagreed, thought they should be complelely exposed, and quit when the gutless decision was made by others to not expose all of it.
The geniuses in the Obama 3 regime having gotten in bed with snakes and now don’t know how to extricate themselves. Let’s see, no overall game plan, no clearly expressed objectives, no end game plan, what could possibly go wrong when you have no idea what “right” should look like? Only solution now, after this mess, is to walk away from Ukraine entirely and give it all over to Russia to sort out.
I don’t buy the “bait Russia into WW3” theory. No one would ever approve that.
Yes, there have been Islamic extremists in Ukraine for a good while. Here is one:
https://www.counterextremism.com/extremists/abdul-hakim-al-shishani
The march towards World War III continues as planned. Did anyone think naming it “The Great Reset” entailed a painless process?
Looks like the powers-that-be want to ensure the Ukraine fiasco continues no matter who is president for the next four years.
I’m thinking someone (guess who;) is purposely pushing Russia towards China hoping Europe remains a vassal for American interests.
Presidential election years are…becoming increasingly tiresome and dangerous affairs. I guess this is the result of the easy energy economics underpinning Western economies and banking systems falling apart.
Captured alive.
It is most likely that Putin’s interrogators will elicit all the info they need to figure out who was behind this terror attack. Putin’s interrogators don’t have any Bill of Rights preventing them from using whatever techniques they think will provoke answers.
If the videos I saw earlier are real, the terrorists will likely tell them anything they want to know. Shooting people for $5k might be worth it to a monster, but I don’t think that’s enough to cover physical interrogation.
A lot can be obtained from skillfil interrogation, without using torture, and these guys may have given up what they know fairly easily.
After all, if they were dedicated, they wouldn’t have allowed themselves to be taken alive.
Torture elicits responses that the recipient perceives that the torturer wants to hear.
There are others (many) effective means to illicit the truth.
Former 97E MOS.
One can only hope they are able to identify every individual involved from top to bottom. And that each of them meets justice.
“The primary geopolitical players who might organize and benefit from the terror attack would be, USA, Ukraine, Turkey and Israel, or a combination therein. “
Whatever one may think of the leaders of these four counties (Biden, Zelensky, Erdogan and Netanyahu), I really doubt that any of them would be so utterly depraved as to order this ISIS (and Hamas) like inhuman massacre of what is likely over 150 innocent men, women and children. Or even to have might have organized this.
Of course, it is very believable that ISIS would do it given their record and their instruction manual, the “Holy Qur’an” as David Petraeus called it.
I suppose I may be in big trouble now, with a few of the commenters here, for straying of the reservation … again.
After months (Sept 2022), there does not seem to be a rush by coward$ to brag claim credit (i.e. being ‘investigated’, obfuscated ) for sabotaging the underwater, russia to germany, nordstream gas line that harmed energy supply for people, polluted the environment etc. and selfishly created an energy shortage, harming industries, to motivate an alternative energy supply (by guess whom would $elfishly benefit ____ – at huge costs). The cowards went into hiding…
That sort of nefarious thinking is troublesome… (not loving thy neighbors)
Are there common denominator(s) with other mass terror events?
hmmm…
But, people can connect the dots of info. people know.
The Lord knows all about false accusations from people… Lent etc…
Despite the crowds of miss blamers,
some People also learned and knew the truth, in real time – and their (and others) strength, faith grew over time. It is written, by many, in different ways, pointing to same underlying truth….
Love thy neighbors
Yeah, you are. The naivete is pretty astoundong, really.
See Globullusts are the newest itetation of the age old scourge of Conmunism, and in this iteration it is a bastardised combo of Marxism with Fascism.
So, Corporatism with Golbal dominance, one world government that dissolves national distinctions.
Such people inhabit positions in intel, military etc. of MANY goverents, while having no loyaltyto any country.
And they would have no problem ordering this, and keeping their countries leader in the dark.
JP,
I tend to agree with your gut assessment that this doesn’t feel like the work of a global power…it seems too crude, logistically amateurish and morally reprehensible….. compared to say Prigozhins plane, or Nordstream or any number or falling oligarchs ….. (or Covid or the clot shot hoax….which were REALLY WELL DONE)
Soooo to me this kind of thing is fueled more often than not, by pure evil and/or boundless hatred (and a good pinch of mental illness)
….so, of the “big 4”only ….. my money is on Ukraine but not necessarily Zelensky….. maybe his new mad dog “meat grinder” General making an executive decision to shake things up going all “asymmetrical” or maybe even a UKRANIAN OLIGARCH….or some autonomous “others” …..THERE ARE TOO MANY MISANTHROPIC DERANGED suspects to count…..
SO like you, (I’m assuming here)…..and like SD…..We wait and see…..
The claim that US State Dept. personnel in Moscow were warned that a concert hall was possibly going to be attacked in Moscow makes this “surprise” attack stink.
Also, the idea that State Dept. personnel were warned and the Russians somehow didn’t know they had been warned also stinks. I doubt the Russians needed Hillary’s unsecured basement server to read the messages of State Departments that in the past have been criminally incompetent in the handling of classified materials and keeping secrets.
It’s almost like this was allowed to happen to provide the justification for a brutal Russian counterattack just as I suspect the “surprise” Hamas attack in Israel was allowed to happen although in that case I agree with the likely goal of justifying the once and for all destruction of the enemies of Israel (to include Iran before they get nukes) who claim that not just Jews, but Israel itself has no right to exist and regularly act upon that… and I’m not even Jewish.
Sometimes your enemies are right. From the CCP’s rag:
Was US war on terror a front for geopolitical goals?
by Andrew Korybko
2021-09-22
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202109/22/WS614aa1a6a310cdd39bc6ab6b.html
“Andrew Korybko is a Moscow-based American political analyst.”
You may be right. Maybe this was a moment for the FJB clown show to change course and justify Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine. We are living in amateur hour after all.
….sigh. Russia didn’t just read a warning on the State Department’s website.
US National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said the US government had “shared this information with Russian authorities in accordance with its longstanding ‘duty to warn’ policy.” From CNN article.
I fully expect that Russia will investigate this thoroughly and will be able to name all the people involved.