Something about this story just doesn’t pass the proverbial sniff test.
It is 1,300 straight line miles from Yemen to Israel; add in the Red Sea path claimed, and you add another approximately 200 miles. So, the claim is around 1,500 +/- miles.
The Raytheon built Tomahawk cruise missile, with GPS enabling, some of the most advanced cruise missile tech in the world, has a max targeting distance of 1,000 miles [LINK]. How the hell did Yemen get missiles and drones capable of flying 1,500 targeted miles?
Additionally, if Yemen had this level of missile technology available, the Houthi rebels would have flown them at Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, over the past decade during their war.
Now that I have shared that context, look carefully at how the statements are worded (emphasis mine).
(VIA ABC) – The USS Carney, a Navy destroyer in the Red Sea, on Thursday shot down multiple missiles launched by Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen that the Pentagon said were potentially headed toward targets in Israel.
The ship intercepted three land attack cruise missiles and about eight drones, Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said at a press briefing.
The preliminary U.S. assessment was that the USS Carney was not the target of any of the Houthi missiles or drones.
Information about the engagements was still being processed, Ryder said. “We cannot say for certain what these missiles and drones were targeting but they were launched from Yemen heading north along the Red Sea potentially to targets in Israel.
It’s unclear from where the Houthi militia’s missiles were fired but they were headed in a northerly direction, an official said.
The incident occurred during the early evening hours Thursday local time and the missiles were taken down over water, not land, the Pentagon said.
The missiles fired by the Houthis were engaged by SM2 missiles carried aboard the USS Carney, an official said. (read more)
[Source]
On the afternoon before pudding brain gives his national address on the Israeli war, the Pentagon is reporting on a fleet of missiles and drones, eleven in total, flying from Yemen to Israel, thereby exceeding the capacity of U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile systems by 50%. 👀 You buying this?
…Oh, AND they collectively would have flown over Egypt to arrive in Israel if not intercepted.
Sorry, I don’t mean to sound like a conspiracy nut, but this just doesn’t add up. This sounds like the seeds of an expanded war narrative to me.
In combination with the ‘couched’ Pentagon statement, Suspicious Cat remains, well, suspicious.
Look how devious Biden’s administration is:
Joe Biden Eases Oil and Gas Sanctions on Top Iran Ally Venezuela, Likely Funding Hamas
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/10/19/joe-biden-eases-oil-and-gas-sanctions-on-top-iran-ally-venezuela-likely-funding-hamas/
As Pres Trump said-now take their oil! Intercept their tankers on the way to Iran and TAKE THE OIL!
Israeli military has ‘green light’ to move into Gaza: official (nypost.com)
Just drill and develop our own oil. Quit pushing for Moar Wars.
Most people do not realize that we buy oil from Maduro. In fact Venezuelas oil exports has jumped 25% this year.
A lot of that is sour crude, i.e. relatively high levels of Sulphur comparatively to other grades.
Take a guess as to which refineries are tuned for that formulation?
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/tight-market-sour-crude-oil-squeeze-us-gulf-coast-refiners-2023-05-12/
You’ve got it.
If the war takes off in the Middle East and Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz where do you expect the United States refiners to source Crude? The lifting of sanctions on PDVSA yesterday was a wise move.
well we have a safe buffer in the strategic reserve…. oh never mind.
If you gas up at Citgo, you’re buying Venezuelan oil.
Texas coastal refineries are designed for crappy crude oil. If no Keystone pipeline, then Venezuela is the next big source.
Right along with their insurgent exports to the USA. I can burn the oil and gas, but the insurgents would gum up the engine.
Joe needs chaos and stable gas prices to hold his power. Winning!
Not to mention how deviant the Biden Administration
Had to turn the tv off. The resident idiot is spewing too much garbage.
Never turned the trash on. Can’t stand the Demented Fraud or his prepared for public consumption bull shit. There is exactly zero this sheet for brains could drool that means anything authentic. All scripted to drive a narrative that is false in total.
Same here.
Read this line
“On the afternoon before pudding brain gives his national address on the Israeli war, the Pentagon is reporting on a fleet of missiles and drones, eleven in total, flying from Yemen to Israel, thereby exceeding the capacity of U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile systems by 50%. https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f440.svg You buying this?”
First thing I thought when I heard about this “shoot down” ……Yemen is a long way from Israel. And some Hooti “rebels” have that kind of weaponry? These are people that poop in the streets! They can run long range missiles and drones?uh huh.
It looks to me that the more sensible interpretation is that the missiles were aimed at the destroyer.
Would that be the ballistic equivalent of swatting flies?
I think you’re on the right track. Maybe I sound like a conspiracy nut, but I think it’s most likely they had some CIA op fly some Walmart drones toward the destroyer from the closest sh!thole country so they could create a narrative. These scumbags will do ANYTHING to get us into a war. ANYTHING. One thing that gives me hope is that the DS appears soooo desperate with the stunts they’re pulling. That’s a good thing because it means they’re losing control. It’s also a very bad thing because cornered animals are extremely dangerous. May God have mercy on our country and forgive us for ever letting these evil monsters have the power to cause this destruction.
Sundance, Sundance, Sundance….. don’t you KNOW that the brilliant Yemen rocket scientists (Middle East MIT Satellite Campus) figured out a way to daisy-chain the cruise missiles together? Kind of like the Tesla Semi caravan mode. The first missile is towing the other two behind (nano particle Kevlar thread tow lines) as well has creating a super-cavitation reduced turbulence corridor that the others can draft through. As it runs out of fuel the second missile’s engine engages, the first drops into the sea, and then it tows the third missile, and so on and so forth. So each only has to travel 500 miles and collectively they can make the trip.
“TEAMWORK! “ALOHA SNACKBAR!!!!”
* I heard about it on CNN and through the Associated Press so IT MUST BE TRUE.
May I “copy“ your post over to Truth Social? This us the most intelligent explanation I’ve read?
Isn’t it a shame what we’ve come to…I don’t trust our military leaders, our intel leaders, our illegitimate adderal ladden president or his stand ins, I don’t trust one member of the Stalinist Democrat Party, only a handful of the Trotskyite Republican Party, few of our media, none of our education, and now hardly any of the food in the grocery stores. But that’s not all. I don’t trust that this president, as weak and senile as he is, didn’t have help making sure that he and Iran went against Israel and planned this with Hamas. That’s how little I trust this administration, all their agencies and the executive, legislative and judicial branches are all filled with Marxists and fascists.
The really sad thing is that we can’t even get our fellow citizens off their butts to fight for this country. They won’t even write letters or call these so-called reps that think we’re just the unwashed masses and they can do as they damn well please. Where are the men with chests and the women behind them?
God help us. God help Israel.
1000 up votes.
And I up that to 2000
The thing is you can write letters and make calls all day, but the guy at the other end is usually a low level staffer that picks from a myriad of form letters covering any topic and sends it to you. As far as a conversation, you get a check mark against your topic and receive said form letter anyway. That’s what passes for representation these days.
The check mark for the topic is infuriating!
The sad part is 70% of American idiots still believe the BS the government shovels out.
Too busy watching Netflix to realize the real world is far more interesting.
Just wait till the ‘real world’ comes and bites them in the a$$.
Excellent catch Sundance. Yet another reminder – as if we needed one – never to accept the State Media narrative, especially on the first pass.
I’m guessing we’ll learn the true origination and destination before a week is out. But never an apology or an oopsie from the Regime.
“This sounds like the seeds of an expanded war narrative to me.”
Yes, this one has been pretty obvious since the “worst security failure since 9/11”. Weird that we haven’t heard of anyone being fired or even resigning for that egregious security failure. Team Obama/Biden are still full speed ahead to WWIII starting with Iran now that the attempt in Ukraine failed. And their plan is that America loses WWIII.
Just look up Iranian cruise missiles. Who sponsors the Houthis? All it takes is GPS coordinates and rudimentary flight software.
I did … The Hoveyzeh … Operational range 1,350 km (839 miles) … any more guesses ?
Various sites give Russian cruise missiles with that range. (I have seen up to 3000 km.)
But that would be much less likely than Iran giving them missiles.
So Yemen as trying to sink one of our battleships? Only explanation.
Or nothing was fired to begin with and the Americans are lying.
Miya: Yup. Some variation of “didn’t happen.”
Nitpicky I know, but technically the US hasn’t fielded battleships since last century… they’re all museum ships now. Today’s navy is destroyers, cruisers, and carriers. (“Warship” would be a generic term for any naval combat vessel.)
I am interested in how they knew they missiles weren’t targeting the ships (and how they identified them as cruise missiles, for that matter).
I am more curious about how we detected and shot them all down.
Drones are supposedly hard to detect. At least that is what is claimed in Ukraine.
And cruise missiles fly low.
Ship based detection systems aren’t going to see them until it is line of sight, which is very close for a low flying object.
Old battleships and cruisers used to have spotter planes to ‘see’ at long range.
But, they could have been detected by some airborne system or satellite system with time to spare.
Then what anti missile system did the destroyer employ? Reliably taking out cruise missiles is a good thing. Might have been a serious breach of classified capability to announce that we can do so.
Correction the article said we used SM-2 missiles. And we have already publicly announced using them to shoot down our cruise missiles.
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/standard-missile-2-sm-2-us/?cf-view
“Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said at a press briefing.”
“The ship intercepted three land attack cruise missiles and about eight drones, Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said at a press briefing.”
If Ryder hadn’t made that statement, did the incident in fact actually happen?
Footage shows Israeli army obliterate Hezbollah targets as fear of new conflict erupts
The dramatic video shows Israeli missile strikes blowing Hezbollah military targets high into the sky as tensions surge on the Lebanon border.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1825865/israeli-missile-strikes-hezbollah-lebanon-border-hamas-iran
Hezbollah is also hammering IDF hard. Taking out an EW installation and 10 tanks among other targets
https://southfront.press/hezbollah-hamas-launch-more-attacks-against-israel-from-southern-lebanon-video-photos/
Tonkin Gulf Resolution II incoming.
Iran threatens to unleash terrorists on Israel and says multi-front war is ‘inevitable’
Iranian foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian warned Israel that Iran’s terrorist proxies in the region would intervene unless Israel surrenders.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1825944/Iran-threatens-terrorists-Israel-war
It has been obvious for some time that the ONLY chance Biden believes he has to retain his regime is with war. Ukraine isn’t cutting it. More chaos, more war and Joe thinks it will be, finally and absolutely, rally round the leader time. The moron looking for a landing field in the ME is beyond parody. This “major address” by a doddering fool is another page from a bad satire. If anyone cannot see the federal govt for what it has become they are high, crazy, or a democrat, but I repeat myself.
Secession is the only solution and not a very good one. Keep drinking
These fools aren’t even good at deductive reasoning.
The renegade choomers have seeded the country with clowns and traitors.
Gulf of Tonkin redeux
Why does the US need an excuse to engage Iranian areas of influence?
the “US” is pro-Iran right now.
I think the United States military could be thoroughly defeated in battle and the federal government would NEVER ADMIT IT.
We might someday wake up to foreigners in full control of our entire country and we peasants were never told about it.
Biden and his band of traitors are Hitler still looking at maps in the bunker in Berlin with Soviet troops just down the street.
or counting their kickback money with the dem and GOPe congresscritters, in a Swiss bunker, wondering where to spend it?
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Enough said.
Again, something not right.
Michael Jaco reports the sound of the explosion at the hospital was from a US JDAM (a bomb) and not an Hamas Missile and it appeared to have been targeted. He compares it to the sound and size of the explosion of the Hamas missiles on the first day by showing video clips from Israeli News Live.org (Steven Ben-Nun).
Telegram was playing similar videos last night. Channel I was in was convinced the Americans did it to stir up the mideast for the war they need.
yeah a US JDAM … that makes a crater less than 2 feet deep … right …
Air burst mode.
JDAM…MK 83 and GBU 32
Does have air burst mode.
Good article to read
https://sonar21.com/more-evidence-and-more-confusion-surrounding-blast-outside-of-al-ahli-hospital-as-israels-pr-campaign-falters/
👆👆
Just remember that every single party involved in this affair has a long established record of being Liars. The U.S. in particular is famous for using false allegations of military clashes at sea to justify wars.
Gulf of Tonkin building in the Med.
If the Navy intercepted anything headed north from Yemen over the Red Sea, it was more likely headed towards Saudi Arabia. The general is speculating that they were headed towards Israel. SA has oil terminals in the Red Sea, and Jeddah is a substantial oil and container shipping port, also on the Red Sea.
Eilat
There IS satellite imagery of Exactly where, when and -ow anything is fire off on this Planet! There is NO need to “speculate!” The narrative of “we think” and “maybe” missiles being fired from Yemen Houties at Israel” is pure BS!
Yemen and SA share a border. And there is no direct line of fire from Yemen to Israel that does not cross over SA.
There are places where the missiles could cross the Red Sea before crossing over SA.
The only way to avoid SA is to use cruise missiles that can follow predetermined paths and later turn to cross over some other country. Such as Egypt.
Your oil targets do make sense, except SA made detente with Iran and peace with the Iran backed Yemeni.
Suspicious Cat much smarter than any “govt agency.” They’ve had Tokyo Rose spewing nonsense for so long, they expect the masses to just buy the lies nonstop………..
Kept scrolling looking for Cat. Smart cute Cat.
Once again Last Refuge nails it.
Thank you!
Well right next to Yemen is Oman and the Chinese have been practicing naval drills with the Omanis.
Could have something to do with whatever our government is trying not to tell us.
https://www.pressreader.com/hong-kong/south-china-morning-post-6150/20231020/281732684157898
Interesting theory. Chinese firing missiles at nothing in the middle of the ocean to measure the effectiveness of US anti-missile defence?
not an Ocean … its the Red Sea and not a place you use for target practice …
While Obama rolls on the floor laughing and snorting at his choice to install Biden and Cumela. Can’t get rid of one without making the situation even worse and there is NO THIRD choice in sight.
“Of course we can fight 2 wars at the same time! We’re the United States of America for God’s sake”
What would get the United States attacked and end up in a WW3?
A PRESIDENT’S SHOW OF A WEAK MIND AND WEAK RESOLVE!!
It’s obvious We need President Trump to take HIS legitimate place as President, NOW!
This IS the National Emergency we all feared would come! People, it’s knocking at the door!
In this crucial moment, I believe, President Trump NEEDS to be Speaker of the House!
Biden and Harris should be militarily or constitutionally removed from office due to the PERIL to national security from having either of them governing this nation “at a time of WAR!”
Biden and Harris are UNFIT TO SERVE in this capacity!
Biden/Harris would represent and signal to our enemies, within and without Our borders the WEAKEST HAND WE COULD EVER BE HOLDING AT THIS VERY DANGEROUS AND PERILOUS TIME!!!
President Trump is the STRONGEST show of force we desperately need at this MOMENT! He could PREVENT an escalation to WW3 or something like the at;
Has anyone asked the Yemeni Houti’s who they were aiming at?
“The missiles were not aimed at the ship”. I Think most know what that means.
American bases were attacked in Syria today, and yesterday in Iraq.
A false flag “Gulf of Tonkin event” is not needed. Seems America is under attack all over the Middle East. Possible fronts opening up all over. Iran and friends are attempting to spread the US jelly very thin. Big question remains. Is the US prepared for this?
No.
Shot down missiles and drones? Are you sure they weren’t aimed at the ship?
It’s strange indeed. Frankly, I believe exactly zero that comes from our *.gov, but…
Both Ivan and China and maybe India have cruise missiles that either definitely do have the range or probably/might have the range if heading for a land target such as Israel, as the mil now says (destination not hardware). There are a lot of Ivan and Chinese brands. Ukraine’s cruise type was captured a long time ago and the Chinese sorta copied some features and made it pretty damn good.
China *.mil has been all over Yemen lately, so….
But, they would probably be pretty stupid using that stuff above because chunks of the missile would be identified, as they do in Ukraine. It’s a given that the people in Yemen have room temperature IQs, but the brain trust running Yemen probably knows the manufacturer/country would be busted. That’s how Ivan’s intel picks up on the NATO hardware identity and where it is and where it came from. Next thing ya know some NATO warehouse in Ukraine goes boom from a top end Kalibr hit.
Ya’ll know there’s always a camera (from a crew member) rolling on these ships when they fire ordinance…when I see the footage I’ll start believing maybe 0.001% of the story.
nobody fields a 1,200 mile cruise missile … some tactical ballistic missiles can go that far …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Shahed_136
Agree
Range up to 1600 miles..
Would not be surprised if they have increased the range and we just don’t know about it.
🤷♀️💁
Now…whether or not the story is true…well-that’s another subject.
Technology has been moving at such a rapid pace since the Russian-Ukrainian conflict..it is mind boggling.
A number of Jewish $B are rescinding/canceling their endowments to the Ivy League over their collective, rampant antisemitism.
They may need to consider endowing 🇮🇱 defense or they can turn out the lights on their way out.
Can you say, “Tokin Gulf?”
Can you say PEARL HARBOR off the coast of GAZA! Didn’t Biden send 3 of our 4 Carrier Strike groups to the Gaza coastline to “defend” something against someone?
2000+ mile range
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshkat_(missile)
not deployed and certainly not given to Yemeni rebels
Iran builds them.
Iran has been smuggling arms/munitions to Yemen.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-navy-siezes-weapons-iran-yemen-war-houthi-rebels-arabian-sea/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/2/uk-navy-intercepts-iran-missiles-likely-headed-for-yemen
Question is…. What made it through that was not caught?
“This sounds like the seeds of an expanded war narrative to me.”
That’s how it’s being received on social media, too. There’s talk of “multiple US assets being targeted” as a sign that the war is expanding.
My test is this: Have they repeatedly lied about things they knew would very likely be proved to be lies in short order? Then there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t lie about something that is near-impossible to prove to be lies.
That just leaves us with motive.
Good hunting ,arrive yesterday and shoot down stuff today???
The Pentagon needs a new script. This was used in the Gulf of Tonkin incident to start Vietnam War.
“About” 8 drones? How do you NOT know exactly how many drones you took down?
Math is racist! The military is Inclusive now. The official is probably a minority tranny. Let’s not get too technical. We wouldn’t want to offend anyone by expecting precise information.
yeah, but you gots ta get the vernacular right
“Math bees all raycisssssss an’ sheeeeeeeit”
Good chance to try out some larger missiles, whether China, NKorea or Iranian manufacture.
Any of the three have reasons for live fire experiments.
YEP’per… SKETCHY ( And STRETCHY ) at BEST.
May i BUY a ” GULF of TONKIN Incident ” for 200 Please Admiral ” the Vacuum ” Kirby ?
( Oh, and i See that the Navy ALREADY HAS The YOGA MATS Installed on the Fore Deck around that ” cute ” BANG BANG ! )
-” That’s NOT a Gun, THIS IS A GUN ! “
oh and anyone still claiming an air burst JDAM was used in Gaza … a 2000-lb bomb will carve a crater 50 feet across and 16 feet deep … and an air burst would have taken out all the hospital windows (none broken) taken out the solar panels on the roof (untouched) and left ALL of the cars in the parking lot as flattened hulks (most where burned but intact and still in the place they where parked) … and we can see from the videos it was a ground impact explosion … so no airburst JDAMS …
Think Thermobaric. Then the pieces come together.
Thermobaric would have blown out all the windows as well.
where are the USNavy ships? in the Red Sea [itself 1000 miles long]
“The USS Carney shot down North Vietnamese missiles in the Gulf of Tonkin …”
Deep State – A: “Oh wait, that one’s been used already.”
Deep State – B: “Yeah but folks – especially Democrats and the media – don’t know history and have the attention span of an ant. They’ll buy it.”
Deep State – A: “True that. Ship it. Internally, let’s call it “Narrative Flying Bull.”
Another “Gulf of Tonkin” redoing imo. but with much less fanfare. The Pantygone should have had the USSA Navy being Attacked.Perhaps Next Week???
genearly.substack.com
Joe and the Chinese Spy Balloons II: Yemeni Missiles
“and about eight drones”
I call bullshit!
United States military knows exactly how many “targets” they shoot down.
BRAVO SIERRA
Try this one on for size:
Pentagon knows the Houthis REALLY shot those armaments at the US ships …
… but doesn’t want to admit that publicly
… because, logically, that would require the US to move to a war-time footing against Yemen
… who is backed / supplied by Iran
… whom the Biden/Obama Admin are still committed to playing kissy-face with
… because they wanna
Anyone?
1,000%
addendum:
… because ValJar and her pet Barky wanna
First thing I thought of.
Exactly. US ships would NOT shoot down missiles/drones that were not threatening the ships themselves. Makes no sense.
What you sat makes makes a lot of since. Sounds a lot like a couple of Destroyers operating in the Tonkin Gulf in 1964 to me. I wasn’t there at the time but did lift a couple of San Miguels one night on liberty in Olongapo, PI a couple years later with a couple fellow white hats who claimed to be on watch aboard the US Destroyer USS Maddox that night. They said the incident was all a load of crap. They saw nothing. Their sister Can Turner Joy reported sighting but the Joy’s APS 40 (search radar) was acting up that night and the Maddox could not confirm anything the Joy reported. Weather was bad overcast, rain, heavy seas. It can get nasty in the Gulf.
But it was good enough to get President Johnson his Tonkin Gulf resolution, a war and 60,000 of my generation killed. Hey it worked once!
I do not like this development.
Killed 8 of my best friends! NEVER FORGET
Don’t forget the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty!
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11/phillip-f-nelson/the-truth-of-why-lbj-wanted-the-uss-liberty-to-sink-getting-israel-to-help-ensure-his-reelection/
Thank You my friend, the same old facade being pulled off…and History repeats…
OK except I am unfamiliar with the APS-40 radar. There is an SPS-40 radar but that is an air search radar. It’s clear from the report that detection of torpedo boats was with surface search radar SPS-10. The report also claims radar “lock” on target with fire control radar SPG-52.
Or shot them at Saudi Arabia??
Not just because they wanna. Obama is still trying to bring about the final Caliphate.
and the destruction of our culture so he can rebuild it as per Saulinsky.
Agreed.
6 billion should cover the cost of a few more tomahawk-ish missiles.
You win the Internet for a day.