Many people said it was likely to happen and indeed it has. Vivek Ramaswamy has now overtaken Ron DeSantis to become the top loser to Donald Trump in the GOP primary race. According to a Kaplan Strategies poll [LINK HERE] Ron DeSantis has now dropped to third place in the presidential preference polling.
KAPLAN – “Vivek Ramaswamy, biotech investor, has made significant strides in his political journey, tying with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in the latest national GOP poll. Both candidates claimed the support of 12 percent of likely GOP voters, coming second to President Donald Trump, who maintains a dominant 48 percent lead.
Doug Kaplan, founder of Kaplan Strategies, the firm that conducted the poll, highlights the rising popularity of Ramaswamy in the face of nine competitors. “Ramaswamy outperformed six other hopefuls by more than double, marking a significant surprise in this poll,” Kaplan comments.
While DeSantis remains a top-tier candidate amongst non-Trump choices, he now shares this status with Ramaswamy. The reactions of these camps in the face of this new dynamic are anticipated with interest.
Despite DeSantis’ favorable rating of 59 percent amongst GOP voters, Kaplan suggests that Ramaswamy may have the potential for a higher ceiling, as he is less well-known amongst Republican voters, with a 27 percent Uncertain rate.
Meanwhile, the poll underscores the unwavering support President Trump holds within the GOP, despite the crowded field challenging him. Trump boasts a combined 69 percent favorability rating, leaving little room for uncertainty.” (MORE)
A tested populist is leading the pack by a mile.
The dude in second place has zero name recognition and experience..
Cough, cough.. what does this imply about the establishment and their losers that are continually forced upon us?
The “Highest” of the “establishment losers” is their no name globalist plant that is having trouble with sunlight being shown by the people, but not the majority of the 5 corporate media companies and affiliates of the Establishment which do not seem to be looking very hard at the moment.
Want to see who Vivek really is. Ask him if the election was stolen? There’s a reason no one in the media asks him that.
No need to ask Vivek anything. He’s another Ted Cruz; i.e, he’s not a natural born citizen. Therefore, he’s not constitutionally eligible to become president or vice president. And, there’s a reason no one in the media asks him about that, too…
Pray to God that Trump does not choose Vivek as his running mate; because, there are many of us who will not vote for a ticket that is in violation of the Constitution no matter how badly we wish Trump to be president.
What’s your evidence to back this up?
Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
We don’t know when his father was naturalized, so the question isn’t exactly settled just yet.
But, we do know when he was NOT naturalized and other pertinent facts…
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Vivek was born in Cincinnati, OH to Indian immigrant parents. He is a natural born US citizen.
That’s a tricky question Value, as I understand it. In the case of Obama, even if he was born in Hawaii, his father was a British subject at the time, being from Kenya, so that made Barack ineligible. Natural born status is conveyed by the father, but not the mother.
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In the natural state it IS NECESSARY that a ‘father’ exists such that reproduction occurs.
In the natural state it IS ESSENTIAL that a ‘mother’ exists such that a baby is born.
Which part of that natural born configuration did the father not need the mother?
I am too brain dead at the moment to pull up the standards used in the day, but it was indeed in the day of our Founders the understanding that it was the father who conveyed citizenship.
Now many regard it as both parents, except the clowns that say Obama’s Commie Mommy was enough.
Today many here are saying it’s soil alone, which is somewhat disconcerting to me, I would have hoped that Treepers would be fully studied up on the matter after the Obama debacle, and on a thread regarding another person out of the blue with questionable cultural and political origins no less.
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What you are trying to describe (and of course, being the time period that the Constitution was written) is the idea that ‘men’ could claim an edict as ‘so’ — in other words, man-made law.
Natural law is no respector of man-made laws.
Would you pay a toll to enter onto a bridge that had a huge portion of it knocked out by an earthquake?
Vattel’s Law of Nations is the reference volume familiar to the Founders that I couldn’t remember.
If we are to change the understanding of the day we should be willing to seek an Amendment to do so, though, of course, the countless obfustications and mendacities foisted upon us to overcome this obstacle to power are already almost insurmountable so that’s quite a faint hope.
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Again.
Man’s treatise.
Not necessarily conforming to nature’s calling . . .
We are dealing however with the Constitution as drafted and intended.
Natural Law most certainly influenced them, but this term was derived from Vattel’s Law of Nations, while not referenced in the Constitution explicitly, because they didn’t realize they would have generations forgetting, or pretending to forget, their intentions, this is a substantially definitive explanation of their intent.
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As Anonymous II explained, Vattel had ‘parents’ in the plural, referenced.
I agree with your overall conclusions on this issue — but I just do not understand why ‘fatherhood’ only would come into the equation of natural born for a very intelligent person.
Our founders knew women were essential, and even mentioned same in the DofI, by referencing how we are all created equal — via the mating of a man AND a woman . . .
Today, this distinction (the natural order) is being totally bombarded with ridiculous ideas — originating in a human’s head, and NOT how reality has created naturally — that two men can be declared the parents of a child.
You KNOW that nature could not make that so, only an edict by man-made law can claim that as ‘legal’ . . .
At one time CITIZENSHIP was conveyed by the father. However, the status of being a NATURAL BORN citizen has ALWAYS been conveyed by the citizenship of both the father and the mother, PLUS having been born in the same country both parents are citizens of.
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Vattel’s Law of Nations was hugely influential on the writers of the US Constitution, He was a Swiss Political Thinker and Writer of the time and his works were widely read. One of the few mistakes made by the writers of the Constitution was not defining explicitly the term ” Natural Born Citizen”. It came from Vattel and means being born on that countries soil of parents who are citizens at the time of birth. Later in the 1800’s there was a court case which sought to define the term. But at the time of the writing of the Constitution they just assumed everyone knew what they meant because Vattel was so popular among political circles.
John McCain was born on a US Naval Base in the Canal Zone. Before he ran for President he got a court ruling that he was a “Natural Born Citizen” because the Naval Base was owned and controlled by the US so it was US “soil”. McCain’s parents chose a hospital on the Naval Base because his father was stationed in the Canal Zone at the time and they wanted no question as to their son’s citizenship. Even today many military wives go back to the states to have their babies so there is no question of their child’s citizenship. If what I have read is correct Vivek was born in Cincinnati Ohio and both his parents were US citizens at the time . According to Vattel both parents must be citizens at the time of birth. Unlike Obama whose father was a Kenyan citizen at the time of Obama’s birth regardless of where he was really born Obama was not a “Natural Born Citizen” according to Vattel and the Constitutional definition.
Appreciate all the detail, very well done. I do recall that Vattel was influential on the drafting of the Constitution but they didn’t think they needed to define it within, something that has long been exploited including in this very thread by some very determined operatives.
The link I shared, brought to my attention by another Treeper on this or earlier pages, notes the effort of one fella to figure it out, and while VR refused to respond to his queries, he did determine that his parents arrived in ’83, and he was born in ’85.
With a five year requirement before naturalization can happen, that puts him firmly outside the Natural Born window.
Here’s the story:
Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military
Maquis, I have read most of your posts on this thread and admire your patience and accurate descriptions of Natural Born Citizenship. Here’s a copy of my remarks posted elsewhere on this thread. What do you think?
This is the best explanation of Natural Born Citizen! This is how I understand it. Read the article and see if you agree.
The Constitution sets the least rigorous requirements for the Representatives b/c decisions are made by 435 members.
The requirements are tougher for Senators who have 100 people making decisions.
The toughest requirements are for the President since so much power is vested in one person.
Representatives must be age 25 and a US citizen for 7 years.
Senators must be age 30 and a US citizen for 9 years.
Presidents must be age 35 and a Natural Born Citizen.
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-elephant-in-the-constitution-that-no-one-references-when-dealing-with-the-natural-born-citizen-issue/
That article is correct, Ma’am, hang onto it, I will save it for future use as well, much appreciated.
He references Publius Hulda who is a very strong Constitutional scholar whom I heartily recommend to all on this subject as well as that of the Convention of States which is very dangerous and Treepers should seek to understand it well.
Thanks for following this argument, such as it is, we all need to understand the importance of the Framers’ decision and be able to recognize the efforts made to obfuscate their intent.
At one time CITIZENSHIP was conveyed by the father. However, the status of being a NATURAL BORN citizen has ALWAYS been conveyed by the citizenship of both the father and the mother, PLUS having been born in the same country both parents are citizens of.
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
At one time CITIZENSHIP was conveyed by the father. However, the status of being a NATURAL BORN citizen has ALWAYS been conveyed by the citizenship of both the father and the mother, PLUS having been born in the same country both parents are citizens of.
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Only if his parents were fully naturalized citizens when he was born.
You’re conflating “Natural Born” with “Native Born”
4 SUPREME COURT CASES DEFINE4 ‘NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'(Updated May 25, 2012) >> Four Winds 10 – Truth Winds
He’s only natural born if both his parents were naturalized prior to his birth. Were they? We don’t know.
My guess is no, they weren’t. To the best of my knowledge tho, he was 100% raised in this country which is better than Cruz.
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
What kind of proof do you have of such a claim….and please don’t say ‘because he didn’t answer the question from some obscure tweet’.
You’re correct, there is much more to it than the fact that he has failed to answer questions about this topic; although, that in and of itself raises still more questions and doubt….
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
He was born IN the US. It doesn’t matter if his parents were citizens or not at the time. Any child born in US territory is a natural born citizen and eligible to run for president.
No, not correct, the parents have to be subjects of America, not subjects of any other country.
You seem to believe that any anchor bay will do. That’s simply not the case.
Slight correction: Citizens, not subjects.
I know you know that, but you know how it is, gotta assert our separation from the monarchy and all that.
There is a very strong argument that birthright citizenship should not be extended to the children of illegal immigrants.
You could almost certainly get a majority of MAGA to agree to that proposition. Courts might even be inclined to uphold a law making such a change to the rules around citizenship.
But there is zero chance of garnering support for revoking birthright citizenship for the US-born children of legal immigrants. Even among MAGA, this is a minority view that does not have strong traction.
However, that’s not what anyone is attempting here.
Immigrate in ’83, birth scion in ’85, not enough time to have become naturalized, we needn’t throw up false barriers as he already has one.
Naturally, the interpretation of the Fourteenth to empower Birth Tourism and Anchor Babies is an abomination and all of MAGA supports President Trump’s intention to abolish it.
So there is some doubt regarding when Vivek’s parent(s) became naturalized citizens. It could be a case along the lines of Kamala Harris whose father did become a naturalized citizen… 5 years after her birth.
The interpretation of the 14th amendment you’re railing against goes back to 1898. This isn’t exactly recent history we’re dealing with here, and at this point it’s been the “law of the land” in the US for more than half of the nation’s history.
You could go so far as to pass legislation eliminating birthright citizenship for the children of legal non-citizen immigrants, and your law would almost certainly be overturned the second it faced a constitutional challenge in court.
In fact, I would suggest the only way to restrict the legal definition of “natural born citizens” as per your desire would be to pass a new constitutional amendment explicitly spelling this out.
Spoiler alert: This won’t happen.
As previously mentioned, however, we could definitely make headway on a law (or possibly a constitutional amendment if necessary) to eliminate birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants and maybe even those in the US on temporary/visitor visas (as opposed to landed immigrants)
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‘This won’t happen.’
In fact, it cannot happen!
Because once a ‘law’ has been passed which define natural born citizen, then per the Constitution, those claiming citizenship under such a law WOULD simply be citizens . . .
Incorrect.
4 SUPREME COURT CASES DEFINE4 ‘NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'(Updated May 25, 2012) >> Four Winds 10 – Truth Winds
Re “He was born IN the US. It doesn’t matter if his parents were citizens or not at the time. Any child born in US territory is a natural born citizen and eligible to run for president.”
The status of being a NATURAL BORN citizen has ALWAYS been conveyed by the citizenship of both the father and the mother, PLUS having been born in the same country both parents are citizens of.
The “same country” refers to locations over which the U.S. government has 100% sovereignty. Currently, the only U.S. Territory meeting that requirement is the island of Palmyra which has no permanent residents and therefore moot to this discussion.
U.S military bases on foreign soil are not considered to be 100% sovereign U.S. soil because all such locations are merely leased, not owned, by our government. Therefore, the host nation always retains some sovereignty therein. For example, if a citizen of the host nation dies on such a location, said host nation has full authority to investigate.
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Incorrect. He was born in Cincinnati. He can run for President just like any other citizen born on US soil.
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Born on the soil conveys native born status.
Absent the parents both being citizens, what you are describing is a ‘law-made’ citizen . . .
The 14th Amendment conveys citizenship, not natural born citizenship.
That qualifies an individual to hold a lower federal office but not that of President.
The requirement for President is natural-born citizenship.
This can be shown by previous court rulings.
The problem is that “the powers that be” don’t care and want to run those for office who really are not NBC’s, like Obama, McCain, Cruz, Rubio, etc…
So it is not going to get properly challenged and ruled upon.
Per the Constitution, citizens can become representatives and/or senators but only NATURAL BORN CITIZENS can become president or vice president, proving there is a constitutional difference between citizens and natural born citizens.
The status of being a NATURAL BORN citizen has ALWAYS been conveyed by the citizenship of both the father and the mother, PLUS having been born in the same country both parents are citizens of.
Please read the following article: Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
George Washington wasn’t born in the USA. He was born in a British colony
In 1732 Virginia was a British Colony.
The year of 1732. Thank you for establishing that he was not born in the US as the US did not yet exist.
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Hence the provision in the Constitution re: the need to have presidents who are not natural born citizens up to the point in real life that a child who WAS a natural born citizen (e.g., birth year 1795) attained the age of 35 . . .
Exactly.
We here understand our history and civic lessons were less than stellar, but being here, we have no excuse not to be obsessively about curing our ignorance; this point that the Founders made temporary exceptions to account for the newness of our Republic is not newly revealed here, but should be no surprise to anyone either, they were smart and inspired men.
Thanks for your contribution!
Yes, they made a temporary exception for those starting this nation.
But the language they used and subsequent S.Ct rulings make it clear that Citizen and natural born Citizen are separate things.
But the PTB don’t care and want to run those for office who really are not NBC’s, like Obama, McCain, Cruz, Rubio, etc…
So it is not going to get properly challenged and ruled upon.
Doesn’t matter.
That a criminal got away with breaking a law does not nullify that law, even if those obligated to enforce it haven’t deigned to, it remains law.
Frankly, I embrace any opportunity such as this to set it right going forwards, and ultimately to set the stage for undoing the tragedy that is Obama upon our Republic.
The Perpetrators That Be must be resisted, their frauds and crimes must be prosecuted, even if it takes generations to do so.
“They” like to use language to obscure truth. It has been going on for hundreds of years.
McCain was a natural born citizen. At the time of his birth in a US Naval Hospital in the Panama Canal Zone. The Panama Canal was part of the United States. Also, US Military bases overseas and as well as US Embassy and Consulate Posts. In British Law, military and diplomatic posts overseas were considered “ENGLAND” and the children of the soldiers and diplomats were considered Natural Born.
Sorry but your understanding is incorrect.
McCain’s citizenship was later established by legislation.
That also shows he was not a natural born citizen.
Overseas military bases are not considered to be sovereign territory a la embassies and consulates. Incorrect.
Schwarzenegger could have run for President, but only if the US had annexed Austria to Statehood first.
With a time machine to arrive before his birth.
No Debra. Your understanding is incorrect.
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Keep reading, grasshopper . . .
Grasshopper? Instead of asking me why I stated you were incorrect? Figures.
Well, you are welcome for me saying you were.
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If you wanted an understanding to take place, your obfuscation as to what the misunderstanding on your part was of whatever you are disputing should have been put forth.
Failed lesson, grasshopper . . .
No Debra. Simply stating you were incorrect was sufficient.
And you thinking you are schooling someone is as foolish as it is hilarious.
Soit genti.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C5-1/ALDE_00013692/
“While the Constitution does not define natural born Citizen, commentators have opined that the Framers would have understood the term to mean someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time.9 British statutes from 1709 and 1731 expressly described children of British subjects who were born outside of Great Britain as natural born citizens and provided that they enjoyed the same rights to inheritance as children born in Great Britain.10 In addition, in the Naturalization Act of 1790, the First Congress provided that children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, . . . shall be considered as natural born citizens . . . .11 Consequently, under the principle that British common law and enactments of the First Congress are two particularly useful sources in understanding constitutional terms,12 it would appear likely that the Framers would have understood natural born citizen to encompass the children of United States citizens born overseas.13 Such an interpretation is further supported by the presidential candidacies of Senator John McCain of Arizona, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone; Governor George Romney of Massachusetts, who was born in Mexico, and Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona, who was born in Arizona before it became a state.14”
Are we against Barry Goldwater too???
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You are conflating ‘citizen at birth’ and natural born citizen.
While, yes, ALL natural born citizens ARE citizens at birth, your referenced law also delineated other categories of children who, via the Naturalization Act (a law), are ‘like’ natural born citizens, to wit, citizens at birth.
The whole set of ‘citizens at birth’ include as separate sub-sets, natural born citizens AND law-made citizens.
Article 2 says that anyone who was a natural born citizen OR a citizen of the United States at the time of its foundation is eligible.
None of this matters. Anyone running against Trump is not worthy of support. This even isn’t about Trump. It’s about fraud, corruption, and whether we still have Republic.
Yes … lets keep an American who is a good choice by any other criteria from attaining the Nation’s highest office because his parents were born in another country. Let’s punish the child for the sins of the parents. We all can see how wonderful it has been having “natural born citizens” in the White House: Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, George Bush Sr., Jimmy Carter, Sloe Joe Fizz Biden etc.
I’m for President Trump 100% but this “natural born citizen” crap needs to be changed. We’d be better off with a President Putin than almost anyone in Congress.
“… there are many of us who will not vote for a ticket that is in violation of the Constitution no matter how badly we wish Trump to be president.” AKA The “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.” plan.
Obama was not Natural Born.
He alone kinda proves the entire point about the significance and wisdom of the requirement.
His Commie Mommy alone could not convey the required status.
If anything, Obama proves just how important this is, it’s about affiliation, allegiance, affection, Obama had none, and we cannot risk such ever again.
OK … we can trade Woodrow Wilson for BronkObama.
I assure you Brother, I am all about undoing the works of the Communists and fellow travelers and their very many enablers that have done so much damage to our Republic.
Covenu, mon ami.
I do not understand why Mr. Ramaswamy is “a good choice”. Yes, he is articulate and says the right things but to me, it is what he doesn’t say that sends up red flags. Haven’t you had enough of smooth -talking candidates/politicians that end up yanking the rug out under your feet? Let’s just ignore the COTUS because the offspring is not at fault. Does that apply to the DREAMers, too?
A la Obammy the magic negro
Classy
It was the LA Times that famously called him that in his first election.
The term references a Black that is not seen as authentic thus not threatening to others and more able to be mobile in society.
Rush Limbaugh had a famous parody song about it, with Al Sharpton’s voice.
Obama was not a NBC, at least if Obama Sr was really his father.
I for one do not wish to have as President any person who was born and raised by immigrants, possibly later made citizens, who come from a country with an actively functioning caste system.
I worked with a lot of Indians in my career who were H1B visa holders or naturalized citizens. As soon as a majority of the project was Indian, or the project head was Indian, the caste system asserted itself.
IMO any person born to immigrant Indian parents had the caste system enforced on them from birth. It’s just who they are.
So no thanks Vivek, you will never be my choice for President.
“I previously worked with H1B visa holders from India and didn’t like how their behavior was shaped by the caste system from their homeland.
Consequently, I don’t like Vivek Ramaswamy and will never vote for him due to the Indian origin of his parents even though he was born and raised in the US, has been a citizen since the day he was born, and has never been an H1B visa holder.”
The first part of your argument makes sense, as any and all caste systems should be rightly condemned. The second part of your argument is where you lose me and start to show signs of severe cognitive impairment.
In the US, most people view others as individuals with their own unique character – not faceless members of uniformly homogenous racial groups who are readily interchangeable with one another. Your racially deterministic claim that Vivek Ramaswamy’s ethnic background defines his character is both un-American and un-Christian.
It should also be pointed out that there is a caste system in the US today, and deplorables occupy a position near the very bottom of the pile. This is something you may want to consider before getting on your high horse and condemning others because of structural injustices in the land where their parents were born.
In the US sheeple commit suicide by proving they aren’t racists and elect the worst of the worst.
Preach harder.
The US people aren’t racists. The overwhelming majority of MAGA aren’t racists.
But you just might be a a bit of a racist if you endorse the silly racially deterministic sentiment expressed by CirclinTheDrain.
Baloney with a side of weak sauce.
Re “Yes … lets keep an American who is a good choice by any other criteria…”
Any serious research can and will disprove your erroneous opinion of Vivek.
Obama was NOT a natural born citizen but as for all those who actually were that you mentioned, each had skeletons in their closets that MIGHT have been discovered with more research and less deception on the part of the media and others.
The three constitutionally mandated presidential requirements are the BASIC requirements, the bare minimum of standards for that office. If all other criteria is ignored, bad people will get elected and bad things will happen. Do not blame the Framers for that!
Never forget, there are sexual predators wearing priests’ robes, too… Do you blame the requirements for becoming one for the transgressions of the bad ones?
Trump will not be choosing any of the also rans. He might choosing someone who can make a real splash like LT Gov Winsome Sears, or SD Gov Kristi Noem ( areal winning governor)
Winsome Sears threw Trump under the bus shortly after the 2022 midterms.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-virginia-government-and-politics-16ffe45f485b485e0df25c4aba31d085
Sears is ineligible, born in Haiti
Jamaica, minor quibble.
The only real choice for VP is Kari Lake
The reason for KLVP is that she cannot be bullied. All the others have a “kick me DS” sign on their back. Yes even DeSantis.
NO NOEM!! She is a shill for Summit Carbon Solutions trying to RUIN FARMERS in fly over country
SUNDANCE – PLEASE SDO EXPOSE ON THIS IF YOU CAN ……..
Sundance, I would like it if you wrote about Natural Born Citizenship. Here’s are my thoughts and an interesting link from back when there was controversy over Ted Cruz’ candidacy.
This is the best explanation of Natural Born Citizen! This is how I understand it. Read the article and see if you agree.
The Constitution sets the least rigorous requirements for the Representatives b/c decisions are made by 435 members.
The requirements are tougher for Senators who have 100 people making decisions.
The toughest requirements are for the President since so much power is vested in one person.
Representatives must be age 25 and a US citizen for 7 years. (Article I, Sec. 2)
Senators must be age 30 and a US citizen for 9 years. (Article I, Sec. 3)
Presidents must be age 35 and a Natural Born Citizen. (Article II, Sec. 1)
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-elephant-in-the-constitution-that-no-one-references-when-dealing-with-the-natural-born-citizen-issue/
You would throw away your vote and decline to support President Trump if he chose Vivek Ramaswamy?!?
But you happily voted for Mike Pence as VP in 2016. He was a traitor and backstabber to MAGA from day 1, but at least his mammy and pappy weren’t immigrants!
Perhaps you should reconsider your voting priorities and criteria moving forward??? Oh, and your entire issue here is based on a inoperative and superseded interpretation of the constitution that hasn’t had any legal force since 1898…
Ramaswamy will be the same kind of sleeper snake. He’s way too slick, and I don’t like his academic or work history. Not to mention he’s not a NBC.
yeah…ok. why dont you be the only one to lose. meanwhile I will be voting Trump. period. the powers against the usa like the deep state arent following the constitution. If Trump picks him..there is a reason.
I read a “leaked” statement that Trump has chosen Keri Lake for his VP…NOW that would be great!
The Swamy has already said he is not interested. WitH that remark I would have him in any position in my admin
Speaking of Ted Cruz…this is a great article about him and NBC.
This is the best explanation of Natural Born Citizen! This is how I understand it. Read the article and see if you agree.
The Constitution sets the least rigorous requirements for the Representatives b/c decisions are made by 435 members.
The requirements are tougher for Senators who have 100 people making decisions.
The toughest requirements are for the President since so much power is vested in one person.
Representatives must be age 25 and a US citizen for 7 years.
Senators must be age 30 and a US citizen for 9 years.
Presidents must be age 35 and a Natural Born Citizen.
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/the-elephant-in-the-constitution-that-no-one-references-when-dealing-with-the-natural-born-citizen-issue/
Thanks. That is a good article except for the author’s promotion of Publius Huldah as someone worthy of following. In truth, she attempts to attribute words to Vattel that he never said.
For example, the following is a direct quote from her article linked to by the author of the article you linked to above…
“The gist of what Vattel says in Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX, at §§ 212-217, is this:
§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
In one and the same paragraph, Huldah both accurately quotes Vattel and implies he said something he did not say. Therein, she would have us believe Vattel said that in order to be a natural born citizen, “it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen.” Please note that there, Huldah completely ignores the fact that Vattel said “Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens” (meaning TWO citizens).
On the one hand, SHE is saying a natural born citizen must have only ONE parent, a father, who is a citizen and on the other hand, she’s saying Vattel said being a natural born citizen requires TWO citizen parents. BOTH cannot be true.
Because of the confusion caused by the opposing statements written by her, Huldah’s actual belief is debatable. However, the fact that such debate is made necessary by her own words makes her less than an ideal teacher of the finer points of the Constitution in general and natural born citizens in particular.
The following link is to Huldah’s article I quoted from and is the same link embedded in the article you linked to above… What Our Framers Knew: The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen” – The Washington Standard
Grievances.
Censorship.
USIC hiding Hunter laptop.
All true but absolutely NOT THE POINT.
I anticipate Vivek slowly easing into facts, because he’s smart and understands he’s blowing it for those of us not swooning at “the good things he says.” He shouldn’t be running against Trump. It’s not 2016.
Trump won his second term; anyone who is presumptuous enough to steal it from him is on the wrong team.
Is Vivek the guy they were going to use?
A lot of them are dumb, but not all of them … Vivek is Saying A Lot Of The Right Things. But he’s not clearly stating the only really important thing: FRAUD is our opponent.
True that
People at legalinsurrection won’t like that
They are all in for Ronnie
Then they’re in for a big let down.
So is Ace of Spades. I can’t understand how at this point they are still all in for rDS
Are RhonDa’s “influencers” spinning this as a positive ?
Fox News: Desantis looks to break out of crowded GOP pack?
fall out the bottom?
Jeb 2.0666 !
Just thinking if Vivek Ramaswamy is a deep plant end around against Trump. Seems a little too complex for the uniparty. But his past associations and where his dirty little hands have been does not disqualify him from at least keeping an open eye on him.
Seems exactly what they would do.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2015/08/24/the-enemy-behind-the-wire-about-that-how-brutus-killed-caesar-consultant/
👆👆👆THIS link by Libby is worth clicking on an reviewing…it’s a quick read 🙂
Thanks!!
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I can’t come up with anything in Ramaswamy’s background anywhere that even hints at MAGA. Family? Upbringing? Work history? A record of writing or talking anywhere in years past about politics? Prior hobbies or experiences? College activism? Work? Religion? (Oh wait. He’s conveniently put on his wiki page now that he was influenced by his childhood Christian piano teacher ohplease, and was valedictorian at a Catholic high school open to everyone).
Talk is cheap. WEF already brags about how many young upandcomers it has planted in governments around the world. He could say anything. And were he to be lying… oops, too late.
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I’m of the opinion that nobody in their right mind would just wake up and decide “hey I think I’ll run for president against President Trump in the primary”
As far as I’m concerned, every one of them is a GOPe splitter designed to siphon votes away from Trump. Paid to run and drop out/endorse jeb! or discountus at the proper time.
Of course I could be wrong about this guy whose name I can’t spell or pronounce, but if he was MAGA he wouldn’t be running against President Trump.
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I think I’ve spent the entire day now researching him, and best that I can come up with is that he’s promoting his own companies. It’s not that things he says are necessarily wrong (some though are), but that he’s a capitalist who thinks corporations should just stay out of social issues DEI etc. and leave them to politics. Okay I can agree with that. But it’s not a statement about what he would be content to see implemented politically via “democracy”.
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Don’t think he is running for VP and not against Trump?
He apparently said he only wants an executive position, he won’t accept VP.
Frankly, at this perilous point in our experiment in ordered liberty, I trust not a soul who would seek to be by Trump’s side by declaring against him.
Vivek is not a natural born citizen. The fact that he’s running for president despite that fact automatically excludes him from being MAGA no matter what else is in his background.
Please share any little scrap of evidence to your claim…it’s rhetorical because you can’t.
How about you provide. I’d like to see the date on his parents’ naturalization papers.
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
If he wasn’t a natural born citizen he wouldn’t be eligible to be POTUS. Thus the faked Hawaiian certificate for the Kenyan.
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Were his parents citizens or permanent residents when he was born in the U.S.? I think that does it.
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They have to have been naturalized.
Takes at least five years.
Parents got here in ’83, Vivek born in ’85, the math doesn’t work, he’s not Natural Born.
The problem with your position is that “natural born citizen” was not explicitly defined in the constitution but is commonly accepted as applying to anyone who has been born with US citizenship.
For better or worse, this has effectively applied to children of immigrants born on US soil since United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898).
You can argue the justices got it wrong 125 years ago and that the decision is constitutionally invalid. But under law, the matter is settled. At this point, you would need a constitutional amendment explicitly affirming your preferred definition for “natural born citizen” to make your wish a reality.
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Where is the evidence for that?
All. Over. This. Thread.
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Vivek and his girlfriend (now wife) were grad students watching GOP debates and rooting for Newt Gingrich. A neighbor complained that they were making too much noise so they invited him inside to learn about Newt and the GOP platform. He’s young. Registered Independent and voted for the 1st time in 2020.
I’m voting for Trump but I support Vivek crushing DeSantis in the debates and in the polls.
BTW-The WEF has scoured the internet and is illegally using photos of people like Vivek, Ivanka & Tulsi without their participation in the WEF and without their permission. Vivek has sued the WEF for this very reason.
Perhaps, but he has spoken frequently at the WEF and conducted at least one forum at Davos.
That’s far more than a passing association.
Link please proving your point.
The WEF tried to recruit Ramaswamy as a young global keaded, but he declined their offer.
They went ahead and claimed he was a member. Ramaswsmy had to sue them to have his name removed from their membership list.
There are numerous references and links throughout this thread demonstrating that despite disputing being a Young Global Leader, he did most certainly frequently speak there and at least once conducted a forum there.
Such cannot be portrayed as no relationship at all, nor can it be poopooed by claiming they pulled his picture off the internet.
So he fought to get his name off, maybe they put him there fraudulently, it does happen, but that doesn’t negate his willful interactions that he’s not telling you about because he can’t sue those events away.
Exactly. His answer regarding the WEF:
‘The World Economic Forum named me on a list of so-called young global leaders. They did it despite the fact that I turned down their award. They kept my name on that list despite the fact that I repeatedly asked them to take it off because I did not share their values. I’m an opponent of it,” Ramaswamy said.
“This is an organization that does a lot of wrong and I’ve opposed it publicly and believe it should be held accountable.”
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If he actually believes this, why would he speak there and conduct a forum there?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-faces-scrutiny-alleged/
President Trump has spoken at Davos and called Schwabby a dear friend. I watched it live.
Oh Noes.
Trump praises an enemy in public.
Never happened before.
And conveniently all this political activity started around 2020. Also, what is the source of your story?
Yeah, he’s suing WEF, but that’s just a ruse too, I’m sure. 😂😂
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Do you have a link to that lawsuit so that we can read what he is suing them for? I can’t find it. Only articles. Suing for $2500. In Cincinnati. Would that be Hamilton County Small Claims Court?
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Excellent questions!
I want to see his voting record, contributions etc.
Also referred to as OCCAMS RAZOR
Good call, Gary
Irony … Soros Scholarship recipient Vivek … strolling the streets of drug & crime infested Philly … compliments of a corrupt Soros DA.
Please tell us about all the nefarious things that PAUL Soros has ever done…or at least done before he died 10 years ago.
How about Vivek’s answer regarding George?
“Back in 2010 – by the way, this was long before George Soros had completely fallen off the deep end and gone into progressive causes, funding what I perceive as disastrous and toxic prosecutors who are soft on crime, who I’ve also railed against.”
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…So Soros only started being involved in progressive causes when he started installing DA’s? Wut???
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-faces-scrutiny-alleged/
Ja.
I think he went wrong somewhere in the Third Reich.
No. I remember around the time when Obammy was running for prez soros was bragging about how he would topple America and it wouldn’t be the first nation he wrecked.
Your comment makes no sense.
What one Soros, Paul, would help do in offering to help lift someone up, another Soros , George, is doing his utmost to drag a multitude, DOWN. Ironic.
Vivek’s behavior is textbook….to what “plants/moles” do to gain trust from Trump. Humor him….flatter him…..compliment his family and never ever say anything against the top 3 topics Trump is most passionate about. Vivek is equivalent to Pence, Pompeo, Sessions, Gen. Kelly/Milley, McMaster etc.
No need to keep your enemies closer any longer……WE SEE & DESPISE ALL OF YOU!
“No need to keep your enemies closer any longer……WE SEE & DESPISE ALL OF YOU!”
Thank you for saying what has needed to be said since forever.
Vivek came out of nowhere just like Obama. Now he is saying all the right things to “curry” favors from the MAGA supporters.
Just my opinion, but I am very leery Ramaswamy because I suspect he was sent to stealthily Ram a swampy up our keisters if we don’t watch out. Another WEF/ Globalist plant to try and take Trump out.
That’s just what I was speculating… there are some smart ones, just like the Democrats…
I’ve always been wondering what Vivek’s thing is.
At this point I have to admire whoever the overlords are, because Vivek is far more appealing than DeSantis to the reetards who cry and whimper about Trump
Did you take Basic Training at Fort Dix in 1971?
He’s just Meatball if Meatball were smart. Which he isn’t
I watch for the regime media’s disinterest in these candidates. What that suggests to me is they have Langley’s tacit approval as they are the gate keepers. Contrast that to the treatment of D.J.T. or R.F.K. and you get a sense of who is seen as a threat to the administrative state, and I suspect it’s going to get much nastier before it gets any better. I Hope I’m wrong.
I can’t believe Christie has 5%. I remember him saying in a debate and the question was about marijuana. He said the pot party would be over if he becomes president. He is lobbyist controlled all the way. AI Christie. That’s 2 letters. Lol!
He doesn’t
Christie at 5 percent? That has to be BS. Just about everybody can’t stand the guy.
He brings desserts and snacks.
He EATS desserts and snacks.
If there will be GOP debates. Vivek should ask Trump this question, “If you knew you won that election, Why did you chickened out?” Million dollar question IMHO.
He didn’t chickened out.
Judas Pence chickened out.
Brutus Pence didn’t chicken out… he did exactly what he was positioned by the Uniparty to do… stab President Trump in the back as he had been doing ever since he started the General Flynn dust up.
The Meatball paying you?
Your writing is the tell.
You’re NOT a native English speaker.
What do you want & who sent you here?
uh wut
Your question is idiotic.
But you bring up the important point:
WHY WOULD YOU RUN AGAINST THE GUY WHO WON TERM 2?
This is disqualifying.
No one should run against Trump; if they do, they’re shrieking that they’re on Team Uniparty
another example, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott!
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If you had been actually following what was going on you wouldn’t even ask that question.
Vivek is a poseur too. Don’t get your hopes up folks.
He’s not a natural born citizen. That’s all anyone needs to know about him…
Actually, he is. He was born in Cincinnati.
Natural born is a requirement that his parents were at the very least naturalized prior to his birth.
At the time the requirement was created it was in reference to the father’s status alone.
I haven’t seen evidence either way regarding his parents’ status at his birth, likely he is NB but in order to refute the contention he is not perhaps those hoping for his success will invest the effort to prove his bona-fides in this regard.
No. A natural born citizen is anyone born IN the US or on US territory. It doesn’t matter whether his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. He was born in Cincinnati, Ohio.
The reason all the pregnant illegals are coming into the US is that their children will automatically be natural born American citizens at birth.
WRONG.
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This is incorrect.
The Constitution allows Congress to decide naturalization.
This means any law passed by Congress that affords citizenship (first one was the Naturalization Act of 1790) grants a law-made citizenship.
The Constitution also provides that there WILL BE natural born citizens (in the future of the date of ratification, as none were in existence that had reached the age of 35 yet) and that that status was required for president/vp.
This is a logic exercise:
If law-made citizens AND natural born citizens comprise the overall set of citizens in these United States, AND those two sets have been differentiated as to eligibility for Congress AND eligibility for president/vp, then exactly what differentiates the two types?
In other words, one can be a law-made citizen and be eligible for Congress only, OR one can be a natural born citizen and be eligible for Congress AND president/vp.
The founders used the term natural born knowing exactly what it meant.
Query: should a Great Dane mate with a German Shepherd is the product a Great Dane?
Natural born is a biological state. If a U.S. citizen human male mates with a U.S. citizen human female WHAT ELSE COULD that child born in the U.S. be other than a natural born citizen?
If any category of citizenship, be that born in the U.S. (as has been ‘interpreted’ of the 14th Amendment), born to one citizen parent, or having gone through the naturalization process, is invoked via a law, then by the logic contained in the Constitution, that is not a natural born citizen.
Birthright citizenship for those born on US soil is granted under the constitution (as per SCOTUS interpretation) and does not require legislation.
You will need a Time Machine to take you back 125 years if you wish to overturn this long-established precedent.
Birthright citizenship is not Natural Born Citizenship.
Lacking a time machine, we surely do have a heap of mal-jurisprudence to address.
Children of immigrants born on US soil receive automatic citizenship based on the 14th amendment.
They are US citizens at birth under the constitution as decided by the Supreme Court in 1898.
The chances of revoking their citizenship and overturning this constitutional interpretations is somewhere between zero and none. This is a losing fight for those who relish losing.
Not so.
Conflate away.
You know you are misrepresenting the argument.
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Yep.
Ted Cruz tried this in 2016.
Claimed he was a citizen at birth.
I do not dispute that.
That the WHOLE set of ‘citizens at birth’ consists of BOTH those who were conferred citizenship by the Naturalization Law of 1790 AND natural born citizens seems to fine a point for non-logical people to comprehend.
Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, CA so she is eligible to be Pres or VP? No, both of her parents were in – country on student visas at the time of her birth. Her father did become a naturalized citizen, 5 years after she was born.
Yet if Joe Biden bites the dust tomorrow, Kamala Harris will be sworn in as President in the blink of an eye.
Meanwhile, you’ll be screaming into the void and crying foul based on a legal disagreement that has been settled for over a century.
The amount of energy being expended on such a useless cause is distressing to witness.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-faces-scrutiny-alleged/
When he is vetted, he will crumble, particularly if it is true that he has links to both WEF and Soros.
He’s suing the WEF, and got a fellowship from the Paul Soros Foundation.
Please enlighten us about Paul Soros, that’s makes you think it’s such a bad thing.
He’s suing the WEF like Ray Epps is suing FOX.
😂🤣
The fact that Vivek is such a hawk on China that he publicly praised Soros for calling Xi “the greatest threat to open societies” is a great cause for concern. That alone may be enough to cost him my vote should he win the nomination, the other stuff aside.
Read the Wikipedia article about his views on different topics. I know, it’s Wikipedia, but it does give quotes of his views that he has expressed.
Though he has some really good ideas, there are enough scary ones that I would be EXTREMELY reluctant to see him in the White House as president or vice president.
How does supporting an Article V Convention of the States to “create term limits for Congress”?
Supporting the ultimate Trojan Horse of a ConConCon is all I need to know to say NO.
Datavant, by Vivek R, tracking your health records. https://endpts.com/datavant-launches-covid-19-registry-to-give-researchers-real-world-evidence-on-treatments-virus-spread/
Seems everything he touches, stinks.
Just a hunch; I don’t think the American citizens want anything to do with a war in Ukraine! Their reasoning is twisted, following a decade of corruption, lying and meddling in their politics and our politicians laundering money for foreign aid. We have a ton of domestic problems and we sure aren’t believing the BS from all these politicians and their lying donor big-shots. Send your own kids and your own money for Russia and China to grind up into dog food. We believed your BS ain’t Vietnam, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan! You’re DONE !
Only Trump and Ramaswamy want to end Ukraines war; the others are beholden to their MIC donors!
” We believed your BS ain’t Vietnam, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan”
Indochina is devoid of decisive military objectives and the allocation of more than token US armed forces in Indochina would be a serious diversion of limited US capabilities
Joint Chiefs of Staff, 26 May 1954
Even had the United States attained a conclusive military decision, its cost would have exceeded any possible benefit. Vietnam was then, and remains today, a strategic backwater, and the US decision to fight there in the 1960s was driven by a doctrine of containing communism that in the 1950s was witlessly militarized and indiscriminately extended to all of Asia. Bernard Brodie observed in the early 1970s that “it is now clear what we mean by calling the United States intervention in Vietnam a failure. We mean that at least as early as the beginning of 1968 even the most favorable outcome could not remotely be worth the price we would have paid for it.
– The U.S. Army War College Quarterly – Winter 1996-1997.
It would still be a strategic Backwater now, right next to China and its quest for empire?
Vivek is not a natural born citizen. His views in Ukraine are immaterial…
“Vivek is not a natural born citizen. His views in Ukraine are immaterial…”
Why do you keep saying that, when he was born in Ohio?
Natural born refers to where his parents were born
That, and whether they were naturalized here before the birth of the person in consideration.
VR’s parents weren’t at the time of his birth.
Re “Natural born refers to where his parents were born.
That’s not accurate. Where one’s parents were born is immaterial to one being a natural born citizen. What IS important relative to being a natural born citizen is that they (BOTH parents) must be citizens of the same nation the child is.
In other words, in order to be a natural born citizen of the USA, one MUST be born on 100% U.S. sovereign soil to TWO U.S. citizen parents.
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
To hijack the thread. Every single time.
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Not that I’m a fan, but if we are to assert this as fact, might one of us provide evidence one way or the other?
Someone posted on the first page of the thread, as substantial as it gets for now, Ramaswamy has refused to respond to this researcher but the dates don’t line up for him to be even remotely possibly Natural Born:
Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military
Thanks Maquis.
Some of our visitors think that being born on the territory is all it takes. Nope.
Have to wonder if Ramasmarmy is hiring anchor babies to shill here?
I surely believe that all our newbies aren’t all on the up and up.
Derps gonna derp.
Denying the existence of long-established legal precedents that have been in place for 125 years with zero chance of being overturned seems like the pinnacle of derpery to me.
Misinterpretations and misapplications do indeed plague our Republic.
Seems the best hope is to seek to restore it.
Even if it means that citizens have the good sense to understand the intent of the Founders, their reasons for what they did, and the self-serving nature of the perversions and permutations that followed, and then make the right decisions on that basis.
The founders wisely included provisions for future generations to amend the constitution as they saw fit.
In this particular case, a constitutional amendment was ratified that addressed the issue at hand and effectively defined “natural born citizen” to include children born on US soil.
You can argue that this is a misapplication or misinterpretation of the law, but at this point it is the “law of the land” and will not be changed any time soon.
Children born on US soil or territory of US citizens. Funny how you left that out.
“Children born on US soil or territory of US citizens” is an imaginary definition that is not included anywhere in the constitution or its amendments.
“Natural born citizen” is commonly understood to mean anyone who has been born with US citizenship (as opposed to those who attained citizenship via a process of naturalization).
To be honest, I don’t even understand why this issue is such a big deal for some of you given the absolute trainwreck of repeated policy failures and America Last governance delivered by “Children born on US soil or territory of US citizens” within living memory.
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You need to read the Naturalization Act of 1790 and the follow-up in 1795.
Since the Constitution grants the authority to Congress to establish naturalization laws, and naturalization means ‘to confer citizenship’, that first Congress delineated different categories of birth situation which would give automatic citizenship, i.e., ‘citizenship at birth’ LIKE (‘such as’) a natural born citizen.
Since the Constitution also specifically mentions ‘natural born citizen’ as a distinct and separate ‘method’ of attaining citizenship (that Congress has no need to legislate because being a natural born citizen is a result of nature’s reality) there is NO LAW conceived by man that alter that.
Your last paragraph is EXACTLY the way I see it. It is pure snobbery and something I would expect Margaret Dumont to be carrying on about.
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“Effectively”?
Do you really believe that intelligent people could not articulate your premise in ‘real words’ if that was their intent?
Excellent, thanks for the history lesson regarding the three-legged stool: Father citizen at time of birth (no, in Ramaswamy’s case), Mother citizen at time of birth (no), child born in the USA (yes).
No to competing allegiances with a prospective President! (Obama should not have been president).
The three-legged stool in your imagination is not found in the constitution and holds no legal validity whatsoever.
I agree and apologize for failing to do so to begin with.
I cannot help but be impressed by Ramsswamy.
Investigate more.
Much more. Is it true Soros help pay for his education?
No.
Ramaswsmy was a PAUL and DAISY SOROS Fellowship recipient.
Ramaswamy was selected to receive funding for his law degree because they believed he would make a significant contribution to American society, culture, or their academic field. And, he did.
The funding is given to honor new American immigrants, or children of immigrants.
Paul Soros and his wife were apolitical and Paul is referred to as the invisible Soros. He founded an international engineering company which designs and develops bulk handling and port facilities. The company operates in 91 countries. Paul died in 2013.
No, it’s not. It was a fellowship from the Paul Soros Foundation, a guy that does ten years ago.
Chocolate cake does that to me…
Yes, he stands out in a room occupied by 30pence, Krispie Kream, Nimrata, and “Tool Time” Timmy.
Vivek is not a natural born citizen.
No true. He was born in Cincinnati.
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That makes him a native Ohioan, at best . . .
You need to learn the three-legged stool of “Natural Born Citizenship” — a requirement to be the U.S. President or Vice President:
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2023/07/01/vivek-ramaswamy-not-a-natural-born-citizen-of-the-united-states-not-constitutionally-eligible-to-be-president-and-commander-in-chief-of-our-military/
Born in Ohio to Indian Immigrants does not make one “natural born”. No matter how hard you or the PTB try.
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
Are you getting paid per comment about this? If so, good for you on finding such a gig, although your employer is not getting his money’s worth out of it. If not, then you are wasting your time.
I believe Jesse is attempting to steer the conversation away from us discussing all of the Vivek’s red flags—his big Pharma connections, promoting the mask and his absolutely ridiculous justification for it, his attempt at hiding his COVID work in Ohio, his WEF connections, his Soros ties…
Naw, he’s offering an objection to his candidacy that is just as valid as the ones you well note yourself.
Vivek is standing in a hole as deep as the one Rob dug for himself, he just doesn’t know we know it yet.
It’s our job to allow enough people to see that hole that he craters too.
Perhaps I am wrong…but here is my reasoning….The following is the first post on this page:
Yuge Bigly
July 20, 2023 9:22 pm
Want to see who Vivek really is. Ask him if the election was stolen? There’s a reason no one in the media asks him that.
***This is an excellent point and one Vivek can’t refute. It is DEVASTATING to his candidacy. When he first announced, this
was touched upon briefly by the GP…I posted that article then and will try to find it. ****
Jesse’s is the 2nd post…directly responding to Yuge Bigly…completely and effectively changing the conversation from this very
important point, which is never discussed on this entire page. NB citizenship is historically a hot button issue here which leads
to arguments.
Jesse T Mims
July 20, 2023 10:32 pm
Reply to Yuge Bigly
“No need to ask Vivek anything. He’s another Ted Cruz; i.e, he’s not a natural born citizen. Therefore, he’s not constitutionally eligible to become president or vice president. And, there’s a reason no one in the media asks him about that, too…
Pray to God that Trump does not choose Vivek as his running mate; because, there are many of us who will not vote for a ticket that is in violation of the Constitution no matter how badly we wish Trump to be president.”
***I don’t want Vivek anywhere near the Trump Administration, but with everything at stake, who in their right mind wouldn’t vote for Trump, for any reason?
Finally, Jesse repeats his same comment numerous times down thread, often as an off topic response to other comments. ***
Hope this wasn’t too long winded and thanks for listening ☺️
There are a lot of operatives of some sort today, I give you that!
Keep hoping, we are lost without it!
Always!
Re “I believe Jesse is attempting to steer the conversation away from us discussing all of the Vivek’s red flags”
While every negative thing you say about Vivek is 100% true and perfectly good reasons not to vote for him for president, NONE of that makes him constitutionally INeligible to serve as president. His not being a natural born citizen DOES.
In my opinion, ALL good reasons should be noted and contemplated. Reasons not relative to his constitutional eligibility were already represented at the time I made my first comment about NBC. To the best of my knowledge at the time, no one had mentioned constitutional eligibility. Why do you have a problem with having a constitutional reason mentioned?
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
That’s at least the 5th time you said that on this page alone. Provide some proof or give it a rest.
If he’s not natural born, then he isn’t eligible. I doubt he’s running and just hoping nobody finds out.
Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military
Ok, then why is he spending all this money running? What’s his angle if he’s not even eligible?
Ask him, he’s the one trying to con us all.
Yes he is NB.
Read the article Maquis linked to…
Please read the article at the following link… Vivek Ramaswamy NOT a “natural born Citizen” of the United States to Constitutional Standards – NOT Constitutionally Eligible to Be President and Commander-in-Chief of Our Military – CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog (wordpress.com)
I think we are two of the few on this site who actually like Ramaswamy.
He is a breath if fresh air, and does not spew Republican talking points and platitudes ad nauseum.
In my opinion, he reminds me of a young Trump.
Ramaswamy is very intelligent, articulate, holds a degree in biology and law, owns several companies, has worked for a hedge fund, is an accomplished pianist and was a junior national tennis player.
His resume is outstanding and more varied than most of the other presidential candidates.
He is an outsider like Trump, and has no billionaire donors funding him.
I would love to see Trump and Ramaswamy being the last two men standing after the debates. The GOP elites will be apoplectic!
Saw this coming when YOU first showed up not so long ago.
I’ve had my eye on you, salesman.
I have been reading and posting for here for several years. And for the record, I am not a salesman.
What’s wrong with salesmen?
Does not President Trump make deals that often include sales?
The road to Making America Great Again does not include denigrating business or free market capitalism (which distinctly differs from the state capitalism/corporatism we currently have)
I agree. And the natural born citizen concern is a red herring. Whether people like it or not, when Kamala wa sworn in, natural born citizen now includes anyone born in the US, as well as other cases where you are born with citizenship not requiring naturalization.
Kamala ain’t PRESIDENT, now is she?
Natural born has to do with the loyalties of the PARENTS.
AND what does that have to do with the loyalties of their children? The ONLY thing I can see about being a “natural born citizen” is it gives some people bragging rights to something they never earned the same as being born into wealth and maybe they can drink from a tea cup with their pinky sticking out.
It’s snobbery, pure and simple. The law needs to be changed. It’s immoral.
Hardly.
C’mon, you know if it was properly abided we’d never have this Obama Fourth Term.
The nation is teetering on the edge of Communist chaos and folks are disputing the one wise tradition of our forefathers that would have spared us this grief?
Whoever was behind BroncObama surely had alternative Quislings in mind?
The law does not actually need to be changed, as there is no legal force behind the arguments being presented here.
Even if the framers intended for the presidency only to be attained by children of US citizens, the wording they used is “natural born citizen” which implies those born with US citizenship.
Ever since the 14th amendment (and its interpretation by SCOTUS 125 years ago), this has included the children of immigrants born on US soil. Perhaps those pushing the exclusionary definition believe the founders mistake was that they included a mechanism for adopting constitutional amendments in the first place???
The Founders made a distinction unique to the Presidency alone, they damn well intended it.
If it was bastardized and distorted by generations after then challenges will need to be made, but there is no doubt of the Founders’ intent nor most especially the rationale behind it..
Conflating anchor babies with Natural Born Citizenship is not serving your man’s cause.
Please cite where in the constitution it defines natural born citizen this way?
For the record, the 14th amendment (and its judicial interpretations) has every bit of legal force as any other part of the constitution.
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Not if her ‘credentials’ were ‘lifted’ . . .
Itr is only a red herring insomuch that the PTB don’t care and want to run those who are not NBC’s, like McCain, Cruz, Rubio, Obama, etc …
So it is never going to get a proper hearing beforte the Court.
Yale…Harvard…Lawyer…Interned for Goldman Sachs…Ties to Big Pharma…How exactly is he an outsider???
He may indeed be a creature of the establishment.
Or he may be a decent person who, having experienced life inside the establishment, rejected the corrupting influence and turned against it.
DJT is proof positive that the latter option is possible.
Yup, and his interest in developing lipid nano-particle technology for mRNA vaccines is impressive too/s
https://www.biospace.com/article/another-notch-on-the-belt-as-ramaswamy-launches-genevant/
Somebody needs to ask him questions about C19 vaccine injuries.
Yeah, that’s all we need, more mRNA.
Everyone admires his articulation.
He should not be running against Trump.
He’s beginning to leave a trail of slime, like Chris Wray
Please define trail of slime?
I wish I could see the look on your face were Trump to pick Ramaswamy as his VP.
Hey Sundance, I’m very curious why no one is concerned that Ramaswamy is ineligible to be president as he’s not a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by our Constitution?! His parents appear to not have been U.S. citizens when he was born on American soil
Why have you not brought that up?!
No one wants to touch it. Both cartels of Congress, the US Supreme Court and the media pulled all the stops to ensure Obama’s two terms set a precedent to nullify Article 2 Section 1.
How else could they ensure a steady stream US presidents loyal only to multinational interests?
But it would be so helpful if Sundance would educate the uninformed!
We need to undo that fraudulent precedent.
We need to Erase Zero.
Everything he did, every thing he touched, to include his illegally installed puppet Biden.
That The Perpetrators That Be allowed a non-eligible person to become President does not make that the new standard, non-Constitutional is non-Constitutional, we strike down laws all the time on that basis, we must do the same for America’s first Non-Natural Born IslamoCommie President.
Should we get to that juncture, all Trump needs to do is hire Leo Donofrio.
Could you share a bit more? I see his name online associated with Arizona, but would appreciate the benefit of your insights, I haven’t seen this before.
Donofrio was a lawyer turned professional poker player. In 2008, he perchance noticed the New Jersey SoS put a green card holder (Roger Calero) on the Presidential ballot. He then saw that neither McCain (jus soli) not Obama (jus sanquinis) were Natural Born Citizens. He did extensive legal research of the founder’s intent and the legal meaning of NBC in those times.
He filed a lawsuit against the NJ SoS and was instantly pulled into a complex legal underground of collusion and sabotage coordinated between the state courts, the Supreme Court clerks and the Obama/Soros attack machine.
Donofrio’s case was clear. John Roberts made sure it never saw the light of day.
One thing he made very clear is that Obama’s disqualification was jus sanuguis, not jus soli. His father was verifiably not a US citizen. Soros’ legal team produced the fake birth certificates and a conspiracy theory as a jus sanquinis distraction.
Oh, that’s good, thanks!
They wouldn’t have fought that fight, nor so dirtily, if they didn’t fear the consequences.
Yet we have so many here denying it matters and distorting the Founders’ intent and misrepresenting everything that has come since.
Feel free to engage, no bag limit!
100% dead on accurate .
Obama had one natural citizen parent.
It wasn’t enough.
Current understanding is it takes two Citizen parents, born or naturalized, prior to the child’s birth.
In the days of our Founders the understanding was that citizenship followed the father, as noted in Vattel’s Law of Nations, and in that sense Obama fails as well; his Commie Mommy wasn’t enough.
“Current understanding is it takes two Citizen parents, born or naturalized, prior to the child’s birth.”
The number of people who believe this is a vanishingly small minority, even among MAGA.
You are conveniently ignoring the 14th amendment and the relevant SCOTUS interpretation that has held the force of constitutional law for well over a century.
You are fighting a battle that is long over, much like a Japanese holdout on a remote island several decades after the end of WW2 (or a Covid cultist still wearing masks and pushing vaccines in 2023).
Fine.
I fight.
The Fourteenth does not create Natural Born Citizens.
The Founders noted and required a distinction that they put in the Constitution uniquely for the role of President and if that distinction and understanding has been stolen away I am not obligated to reverence the perversions thereof whilst I have argument and breath to resist them.
We labor under perversions and distortions and every assertion you make has Constitutional Scholars arguing against it.
MAGA has a lot of work before it, a Restoration to effect, and some understandings of what was intended and what was lost, and stolen, are in order for us to make correct decisions independent of compromised authorities; for example, we can recognize that this character oughtn’t be eligible, and deal with it.
I doubt MAGA is gonna suck it up just because corruption has entered our Constitutional house, we can simply understand and act appropriately.
You recognize that there are plenty of constitutional scholars, including those who are every bit as conservative/MAGA as you, who disagree with the interpretation you are putting forward.
Of course, the only constitutional scholars who actually matter in this debate are the nine justices on SCOTUS. I’m not sure any of them would agree with you on this issue.
They have all been bought and sold. NBC is dead simple. Maquis is spot on. All those mudding the waters profit from multinational control of the office of US president.
2012 election was stolen outright by use of the HAMMER.
Did Joe Biden Use THE HAMMER to Steal the Election?
https://newswithviews.com/did-joe-biden-use-the-hammer-to-steal-the-election/
There is an avalanche of US super elite native natural born citizens that have occupied the US Government and have done everything possible on God’s Green Earth to show loyalty to multinational interests. You think anyone worries about keeping up that steady stream that has turned into a torrent?
I wonder how many Congressional Medal of Honor winners weren’t eligible to run for President of the United States because their dad was born in Italy, Poland, Mexico or Jamaica.
Are you proud of that?
“Hey Sundance, I’m very curious why no one is concerned that Ramaswamy is ineligible to be president as he’s not a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by our Constitution?!”
Political Office Requirement The phrase “natural-born citizen” appears in the U.S. Constitution. In order to become the President or Vice President of the United States, a person must be a natural-born citizen. This “Natural-Born Citizen Clause” is located in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution.
The constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. One can be a citizen while not being a “natural born” citizen if, for example, that person gained citizenship through the process of naturalization.
Under the 14th Amendment’s Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.
(that’s probably the reason he isn’t bringing it up: because it’s simply not true….)
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Let us not conflate ‘citizen at birth’ as garnered via a man-made edict, vs. natural born citizen, a biological reality construct . . .
Natural Born Citizen was a precise and vital legal definition at the time of America’s founding. It meant that the person was born of parents who both were legal citizens and was born on the sovereign soil of that nation.
The Supreme Court has long since held that anyone born on US soil, or to a parent who is a US citizen is “natural born”, i.e. has citizenship by birthright. In Lynch v Clarke (1884), the court said the following:
“Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.”
And further on:
“Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen. It is surprising that there has been no judicial decision upon this question.”
You are attempting to adopt requirements of the President that have never been required.
Not so.
Obama was permitted through substantial weaponization of the process to avoid the question, but the requirement stands and was violated by Obama, which in nowise negates the requirement.
There are plenty of folks seeking to eliminate this requirement via simple say so, but such is not so.
There are two types of citizens: (1) natural born citizens; and (2) naturalized citizens.
The Supreme Court long ago ruled that the children of immigrants born on US soil are citizens by birth (e.g. natural born citizens) under the 14th amendment and that they do not need to apply for citizenship or undergo any process of naturalization.
This remains the law today and represents the operative interpretation of the US constitution. Pretending otherwise is nothing more than fantasy.
Born on US soil is not Natural Born.
You’ve demonstrated more than enough intelligence to indicate you know these are not the same.
Bad faith argument, over and over.
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The definition of ‘naturalization’ is ‘to confer citizenship’.
The Congress (Constitutionally charged with ‘Naturalization’ laws) did, in 1790 and further clarified in 1795, give rise to various situations whereby a person became a ‘citizen at birth’, but they (many of the same men that ratified the Constitution) distinguished between being a citizen at birth LIKE a natural born citizen (naturally a citizen at birth), and all those delineations which, by man’s law, a child could be born a citizen.
What may be the source of confusion for you is the word ‘naturalization’ which in today’s parlance, refers to the PROCESS immigrants to this country go through to attain citizenship.
That the first Congress set forth a Naturalization Law — that does not require the ‘naturalization process’ we use today — for certain categories of people to attain citizenship needs to be understood for you to gain complete understanding.
He is a natural born citizen. He was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, which is certainly US territory. It doesn’t matter what the status of his parents were at the time.
Actually, it does.
The distinction of Natural Born was put into the Constitution for a reason, to try to avoid strained or feigned allegiances.
It is commonly understood to be of two citizen parents, born here or naturalized, on American soil.
In the day it actually followed the citizenship of the father, but we don’t follow such patriarchal notions now.
It appears that his parents arrived here only a couple of years before his birth, impossible for them to have been naturalized by then, hence, not Natural Born.
Well, when you can get the entire obummer presidency overturned, I will concede your point.
Meanwhile, I’m going with the assumption that no court is going to officially declare this guy ineligible.
It is possible to know that Maquis is not wrong and also recognize that no court will take such a case up for “lack of standing” because they can not show a harm (as interpreted by the courts).
But simply dismissing his argument as you have done, in my opinion, just shows ignorance.
Marquis is incorrect.
“Natural born citizen” implies citizenship by birth.
Congress could pass legislation tomorrow that explicitly defined “natural born citizen” as only the child of two US citizens, and the law would be swiftly overturned at the first constitutional challenge.
The reason for this is that birthright citizenship for those born on US soil to legal immigrants is established under constitutional interpretation and not simple legislation.
Conflating anchor babies with Natural Born citizens is silly, Birthright Citizenship was always an incorrect scam and it is in the beginning stages of being reversed.
Do you resist such corrections and clarifications?
Or does the current fiasco suit your desires and intentions just fine?
You are incorrect again and apparently arguing from of point of ignorance.
While there are rulings determining individuals were citizens, the Court has never made a ruling as to what is a natural born citizen. So there could be no “swift” overturning.
And if the S.Ct were so inclined they could certainly recognize and follow the original intent and how it was accepted in the past, just as there is nothing stopping them from not following their own precedence and making up new crap to accept how it is now being understood.
Let me provide you some case law to show you why I say you are incorrect and arguing from a point of ignorance.
In Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) the Court acknowledges the following.
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens.”
While this Court did point out where such information could be found and that there were two groups, one of which there are doubts, it, nor any other S.Ct since has decided what the term means.
We also know from Marbury v. Madison | 5 U.S. 137 (1803) the following.
“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to be without effect, and therefore such construction is inadmissible unless the words require it.”
The Constitution requires a natural-born Citizen for that of President vs just citizen for the lower offices. The two don’t mean the same and can’t mean the same.
And “citizen” is already defined by the 14th Amendment. So natural-born Citizen meaning the same as 14th’s “citizen” is impermissible.
And we know exactly what the language used in the 14th means because it was explained by the framer of it in the Official Congressional record. When questioned Senator Trumbull made it clear that the language used meant. As he stated; “The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’
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What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”
Under that language, simply being born here does not make someone a citizen, let alone a natural-born Citizen.
For those who do not understand. If a country has a law conferring citizenship upon the children of it’s citizens regardless of their place of birth, such a child born in the US would be born “owing an allegence” to that other country and therefore would not be a citizen under the 14th.
Such a child born here of parents owing said allegiance to another power, not having forged a new one here, would, indeed, owe the same allegiance as their parents.
Nice work!
“Not having forged a new one here” Where did you get this from?
That was a reference to the process of naturalization.
When immigrants complete this process, meeting the requirements set by Congress, they have a new allegiance, to the US, forged by the naturalization process which is intended to be rigorous to a degree that it is not uncommon for naturalized citizens to be much more aware of the structure and function of our government that most born here.
Forged is my turn of phrase, nothing more, but it references something once held sacred and powerful, so I feel it entirely appropriate.
I confirmed your statement that a child born to parents owing allegiance elsewhere owes that same allegiance, only adding the unless proviso that parents that had become American citizens through naturalization could then confer that upon their children born here afterwards.
My undersdtanding is that providing information that confirms what has been said – is confirmation and is different from simple agreement with what has been said.
I wonder if that is just me or if others have that same understanding? Things That Make You Go Hmmmm….
And yes, it was your turn of phrase, which (as written) can be shown to be incorrect by a simple thought exercise regarding dual citizenship. Which is why I asked you were you got it from – to spur further discourse.
You’re over thinking it.
lol Not at all.
If maquis is right, then obummer was never president. It doesn’t appear that anyone with any power to enforce anything shares his opinion that “natural born” means more than he was born here and has been a citizen since birth. So it’s really a moot point.
If Maquis is right? Nothing you said makes him incorrect.
The powers that be not fighting doesn’t change the reality of what is being argued.
The arguments are correct and you can not refute them.
That is one aspect, and is completely separate from the lack of enforcement.
My point is, unless you have an army of judges in your pocket including 5 sc justices all ready to rule to your interpretation of “natural born” then it’s a moot argument. I don’t see it happening especially after 8 years of obama.
As I told you – separate aspects. Or if you really didn’t understand that, those are separate issues. Whether or not enforcement can or will happen is irrelevant in regards to whether the arguments made are correct, let alone if the subject should be discussed.
In this case, the arguments are correct and you can not show that they aren’t and someone who isn’t qualified is running which makes it more than ripe for discussio0n.
Point? Are you consistent in this behavior across all subjects, or only when others come along and show what you said is incorrect?
Somehow I am sure it is the latter.
And Fyi; when someone presents information showing what something means, or when someone presents existing record showing that it can’t mean something, that’s not interpretation.
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I postulate that Obama purposefully obfuscated his true biological parentage in order for this exact argument to be waged.
We really have no TRUTHFUL representation of whether he is or is not a natural born citizen. By his words (a known liar) his status was that of a non-natural born citizen.
But the American people supposedly voting him as president, operating under the word of Nanzi Pelosi who said he was a natural born citizen, but revealing the proof of that (his birth certificate) would be too embarrassing to the family . . .
Hence, if people believed her and voted for him in good faith, only to then have him produce a phony representation of his birth which showed he was not a natural born citizen, this whole mess is upon us now.
My question: if people purposefully voted for Obama based on KNOWING his citizenship status may not confer eligibility, didn’t they vote to do away with our Constitution?
Your assumption would be correct.
The fight to exclude US-born children of legal immigrants from becoming President is a losing battle.
Like DJT, I prefer winners.
There is not a fight to exclude US born children of legal immigrants, that is a false assertion and if you are to retain the credibility you might have by citing jurisprudence that supports your position you might want to consider not distorting the arguments that are being made against it.
There is a naturalization process required for immigrants to accomplish before they can produce children that are Natural Born Citizens capable of pursuing the Presidency.
Vivek Ramaswamy’s parents did not complete that, they could not have, it takes five years at best, the two years later child is ineligible.
Misrepresenting our assertions is bad faith argument, sometimes called lying, but I’m feeling generous and will go with bad faith for now.
Vivek Ramaswamy was born in the USA, and I have seen zero evidence of strained or foreign allegiances (unlike Joe Biden or the Clintons who easily meet your deficient and legally invalid definition for “natural born citizens”).
I will gladly eat crow if I’m wrong, but at this point in time I’d suggest Vivek Ramaswamy has probably contributed more the America than you.
Now you are asking me to suggest you eat something much less pleasant than crow but I’ll refrain.
Nevertheless, I can say that now you are just being nasty and rude.
I entirely agree that immigrants and those who have undergone a process of naturalization to attain citizenship are not eligible to be president under the constitution. I understand why this restriction was included by the founders and broadly agree with it’s intent.
I strongly disagree that US-born children of legal immigrants should be subject to the same restrictions, as they have citizenship at birth without ever undergoing a process of naturalization. In fact, it is you who is being nasty and rude by calling their loyalty and allegiance into question. They are every bit as American as your children.
For what it’s worth, most of the people trying to throw President Trump in jail are “natural born citizens” as per your bogus definition. In the current environment, there is virtually no correlation between having two US citizen parents and having an affinity or allegiance to America. Perhaps I would have more respect for your arcane theories if there was any indication that they had a connection with reality.
You are ignoring a great deal of history.
The child of naturalized parents is a Natural Born Citizen.
Born before and they are not, they are Americans, but not Natural Born, I am not inventing that, the Founders arranged that.
There’s nothing arcane or bogus here other than your willful conflations and obfuscations and now out right lies.
The Founders were not concerned about your feelings and your ability to cast aspersions when they established a very rationale way to attempt to ensure that our Republic was not unduly influenced by foreign intrigue and divided loyalties.
Once upon a time America was led by wise men that understood the ways of the world and they knew the importance of affiliation, of allegiance, of affection; they knew and respected that cultures varying, that parents imparted their culture, unavoidably for goodness sake, why would anyone have to explain such a thing here, and they wanted to ensure they were at least here long enough to have become Americans in more of a sense than the dust upon their shoes.
At this point your argument has devolved into nothing but bad faith.
I am painfully aware of the nature of our corrupted government and tangled and abused jurisprudence, I recognize the unlikelihood of correcting them much less enforcing the original intent, but that the perversions are accepted and stand as law despite their contradictions of our Founder’s intent does not make them honorable nor defensible and I am not in the business of pretending.
The same wise men also decided that people living in slavery should continue to do just that. These same wise men also wouldn’t allow women to vote. It doesn’t seem like such a stretch for these types of wise men to also exclude other legal citizens from attaining the highest office in the land. I see a pattern here.
Your commentary doesn’t change the fact that they were wise men as described.
I’m inclined at present to suspect that Vivek is just really good at the con game. His stating the other day that he has no interest in serving in a Trump cabinet was….interesting.
He’s not MAGA
If you’re running for an office it would sort of undue your commitment to backers, large and small, to say you’ll settle for something less.
We are wasting energy exposing Vivek and casting aspersions against him.
He will never be president
The point here is that he can challenge the big money on RDS and demonstrates that Ron does not have any game
He’s second string. Having to put him in the game so early is exposing just how weak the GOPe con game is.
Exposing the depth and breadth of the Uniparty’s collusion with media and Wall Street to control our elections is never a waste of time.
Coming in at 700+ comments to change the direction of the conversation is not going to work.
Too many shills writing ESL English here. Treepers might consider using code name: Ramasmarmy. OK, back to your regularly scheduled program.
This guy has the smell of Kenyan 2.0 all over him.
Agree.
Have been looking at his FEC political contributions. As of 2020, his contributions are to Republican PACS and candidates. Not much before that which is surprising.
In 2016 Ramaswamy did contribute to a Democrat candidate for Congress.
His Harvard business partner Stephen Travis May who now runs Datavant, has contributed 4 times to Vivek’s campaign in 2023.
But as recently as 2021 and 2022 and before that May has ONLY contributed to Democrat PACS and Democrat candidates. He’s shooting money over to Vivek.
We need to know who Rama voted for in 2020. We need to know who he voted for in 2008 2012 and 2016.
Of course, not one Republican should be challenging Trump. Notice the cadaver only has one challenger Kennedy and the Left is destroying him.
Ramaswamy can wait 10 years and prove he’s really a conservative. Why is he even running now? Something really smells about this.
I would like to see those casting shade on Vivek Ramaswamy back up with facts and references.
He may be a really good candidate find and it would be a shame to knock him down from ignorance and prejudice and being jaded (although understandable).
Remember how Trump was treated?
In a recent interview, Tucker Carlson asked him about J6. VR gave a very smooth response, that the protests were caused by — wait for it — intense pent-up frustration over the Covid lockdowns. Absolutely nothing was said about the STOLEN ELECTION. Absolutely nothing was said about Epps and other plants. Nothing was said about Roseanne Boyle, who had her head kicked in by a DC cop.
The frustration was not over lockdowns. It was over Everyman’s sacred vote being stolen.
Did VR actually say what I wrote? Not exactly, but that was my take-away from the interview, and how a voter hears what is said — or more significantly, what is NOT said — is what matters.
The person casting shade is VR himself. He doesn’t need my help.
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So true because no one, especially anyone in their late 70s, will die or have a debilitating accident or illness, if they reach their late 70s. It’s unheard of!
You proud of making fun of someone who tries to join in the conversation despite English being their 2nd language?
Well, Boog, I really don’t like being pitched over and over for something I don’t want or need.
The hard sell on here by those who in the process murder our language gets my back up.
I HAVE A CANDIDATE, AND I”M NOT GOING TO CONSIDER ANY OTHERS!
OUR MAGA LION, Donald Trump has had a 7 year trial by fire and came out unscathed.
By comparison, this Vivek Ramamama is a virtual unknown.
It bugs me to have a flock of ESL folks show up out of nowhere to pitch this dude.
It’s an observation STEW, two things in common: Newbies trying to sell me with broken english. OK, Pal?
And Admin WTH? why did you yank my comment?
Read pages 1 and 2.
That’s been done at length in the comments here. Please explain why you support Vivek running against Trump and MAGA?
The primaries serve more than one function. It gives the voters a chance to see how ALL the candidates perform, and not just the front runner. I want to see the interaction between my hero and first choice, President Trump, and the others. There could be a pitched battle of ideas between President Trump and another Republican candidate where the 2 men come to love and respect the other. Maybe a loyal opponent will win President Trump’s heart and be chosen as his VP candidate.
Just to be clear: I don’t want the anointing of a King. That is exactly what Democrat primaries have become. I want Independents and Democrats to see President Trump in action in these debates. I want other Republicans to see how their preferred candidates stand up to MAGA ideas and principles. I want to see other Republican candidates running but terming it as “against” President Trump and MAGA? Maybe another candidate has a better idea or strategy for MAGA policy? Shouldn’t we listen?
President Trump could have a heart attack tomorrow. We need to screen for alternatives.
Agreed
Vivek isn’t even the point – it’s about how g_damn poor the foisted candidate is performing
Vivek is our friend
Just from what we’ve read tonight, Vivek is soon to be foisted by his own petard.
Totally agree. Many comments regarding Ramaswamy in this post are inaccurate, not backed up with links to credible sources, and malign a presidential candidate whose resume far exceeds the resumes of most of the other candidates.
Ramaswamy must be seen as having credibility with some voters considering his poll numbers have been steadily increasing.
I do not think he will be President, but he is an outsider like Trump, and a breath of fresh air. The debates should be very interesting.
WTF!?
Like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope that one is well archived.
For once, George Soros said something that was true.
George don’t take kindly to anyone messin’ with his Open Societies.
And that is true, too. George dislikes anyone challenging him.
WTF is right .
If Mr. & Mrs. Xi immigrated to the USA and had a baby while living in Ohio, would that offspring be eligible to become POTUS when he/she attained the age of 35? No. Their offspring would not be a Natural Born Citizen because his parents had not become naturalized citizens at the time of that child’s birth. IMO, the most important reason we have the NBC requirement is to prevent being ruled by people whose primary allegiance is to a foreign country instead of the USA.
Actually in this poll they are only tied at 12%. Hopefully Vivek will overtake RD & knock him out of the top spot on the GOP debate stage. Pence hasn’t qualified to be on the stage. He was pleading for donations last Sunday at the CUFI event. I’m shocked that Chrispy Cream has enough unique donors to qualify. My guess is that libs from every state donated to his campaign just to watch him attack Trump.
Vivek’s got my vote.
Not only because of the things he says and has accomplished , but because of the lies that people are saying about him.
There is no connection between him and George Soros. He received a fellowship from the Paul Soros Foundation. Paul’s FBI file is slim, but his one concern was being shipped back to communism, because he felt they would kill him for being pro-capitalism.
Vivek’s only connection to the WEF is that he’s suing them for falsely using his name and image.
But when people have to create lies about such things…yeah, tells you a lot.
They could never fake a big fight like that, could they?
There are things to like about him and things that are certainly questionable. His idea of the president assuming more powers to rule by executive order is questionable. He served on the Ohio Covid-19 Response team.
But then you can read more of his Big Pharma involvement and his views about government on Wikipedia which has taken quotes from him. The fact is that he says he is opposed to corporate ESG requirements, but in practice he implements them in his company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Ramaswamy
Never ever trust Wikipedia with anything political . There might be some real quotes but Wiki will always add a lot of complete fabrications . Google will also NEVER EVER LINK to truth telling websites if it is politically related .
Wikipedia Founder Confesses: ‘We Are Democrat Propaganda’
Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger has confessed that the site has now become ‘pure Democrat propaganda.
Sanger co-founded Wikipedia with Jimmy Wales in 2001. It was originally set-up to be impartial and free from censorship.
During the interview, Sanger admitted that while the online encyclopedia began with good intentions it is now just another tool to parrot left-wing talking points and censor those who challenge the mainstream narrative.
Sanger explained how Wikipedia now serves not just to skew information, but to viciously demonize anyone on the right or anyone deemed to be a “contrarian.”
https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/wikipedia-founder-confesses-we-are-democrat-propaganda/
Hey, sounds like another ESL commenter dispatched here in a coordinated Vivek push.
We’re onto ya.
Lots of incoming tonight. 😜 we must be over the target..
No doubt! Talk about astro-turfing. Already has his vote? I don’t think there has been ANYONE here ever changing their vote or even thinking about anyone else after DeSantimonious was outed by Sundance last year. I had a difficult time with the sudden turn about then after all the pro articles about him, but after the donor list started coming in among other things, it told the rest of the story.
Yes, lets try to shame and humiliate English as a 2nd language speakers.
President Trump will always have my vote, even if I have to write in his name because he’s not on the ballot. I’m done with all these fakers or people rising out of nowhere.
“Vivek’s only connection to the WEF is that he’s suing them for falsely using his name and image.”
You don’t even ask yourself, even for a millisecond, why the WEF would do that? They just picked him out at random perhaps? You haven’t had the slightest curiosity whatsoever why he would sue them over it … just before declaring his candidacy? You never thought of looking up his past activities with the WEF, including attending Davos meetings and even moderating a session as recently as 2019?
So the first smooth talker that comes along has ‘got your vote’. My advice, trust nothing anymore, learn, analyze, and ask tough questions.
If I had a chance to attend a Davos meeting I’d be there in a heartbeat. If I had a chance to attend a WEF leadership course, I would be there tomorrow.
I have the backbone to keep my beliefs while all those around me bend in the breeze. I know enough of my Country’s real history to not be swayed and above all else, I want to know what’s being taught and discussed.
I am sure not everyone who attends these meetings and courses comes away brainwashed.
I don’t see President Putin trying to return Russia to communism. There are about a half dozen former Nazi Party members who are considered “Righteous Among the Nations” in Israel.
Oh my goodness, Ronnie D will be sooo disappointed to have lost your vote.
The entire media has been lying non-stop about OUR MAGA LION for years on end.
Donald Trump is the only MAGA candidate.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Bye-now. “Bret”
I LOLed at your first line. Nice.
All these “poll” articles seem to have the same plot: “Look how amazing this guy is! He has X percentage of the vote which is double last week; he’s about to overtake Trump!” And when you read further down in the article it comes out that Trump’s percentage is X + 50 or 60.
They are fighting over crumbs, and we are getting the play by play as the rodents tussle about.
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Check out Ramaswamy’s book, Woke, Inc. on amazon. I guess this book was promotional for his alternate investment fund to BlackRock / Vanguard / State Street. You can “look inside”. Not posting the link because it creates an unnecessary image. On page 8, he was ashamed of the “rioters” on Jan 6, 2021. His issues with identity politics don’t seem ideological but more about that this has nothing to do with business so he stepped down from the company he founded and turned it over to his woke CFO…
Misc. more, from internet search:
Together, Vivek and Apoorva have been involved in various philanthropic endeavors. They have donated significant amounts of money to charitable causes, including the Alzheimer’s Drug Discovery Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union. They have also been active in promoting diversity and inclusion in the medical profession, advocating for greater representation of women and people of color.
https://www.ghgossip.com/vivek-ramaswamy-wife-meet-apoorva-tewari/
Out! They all suck except President Trump.
Pure economics, Trump favors cheap fossil fuels and the rest are UniParty focusing on Gaia(green is their Judas and they don’t understand it).
I think Ron’s extreme awkwardness is due to his not being able to sell the establishment ‘lie’. But here is his donors:
https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/07/12/exc-desantis-fundraiser-is-uniparty-neo-con-who-supported-bush-ryan-rahm-emanuel/
Come on Sundance, if DeSwampass shrinks anymore he won’t be able to do the rides at Disney.
So many new names commenting on this article tonight.
It opened up a golden opportunity for the deep state to push the narrative for someone other than Trump.
That was not Sundance’ intention but opportunity is how the organized crime syndicate operates.
The super dooper Artificially Intelligent Machines musta got wind of disparaging remarks.
Otherwise known as Truth.
As Sundance says, they think the American people are STUPID. We know policy and platforms and we look into backgrounds. They think a few commenters suddenly talking about voting for Vivek are going to change any real person’s mind. That stuff doesn’t work. I didn’t even know how popular Trump was in 2016 when I voted for him in the primary, I was sick to death of the Republicans not doing a damn thing about any of the important issues and President Trump addressed them all. It was my middle finger.
He is a better talker/campaigner than any of the rest of the assclowns.
Yeah, Kenyan 2.0
These uniparty masterminds are nothing if not unoriginal. This is just the Obama script playing over again. Little brown feller, bright and shiny as a button, spouting lots of things that you like to hear. Don’t ever forget that biotech startups are the new book deals. When was the last time any of them actually put out a game changing product that made your life better? But boy there’s a lot of money made there, huh? They don’t care if he wins. They just want you to knowing who he is. He’s super young. They can play that card for a long time if we don’t expose him now. Tucker could have crushed him, and chose not to. Plenty of time
Oh my, your 3rd sentence is unbelievably racist.
Political correctness is a way to control.
Calling something racist needs to go by the wayside to gain back our freedom.
🤦♂️
Have you not noticed how selecting such minorities is used to both stifle criticism and to stimulate the Pavlovian impulse of many to signal their virtue in and effort to negate all the accusations of racism thrown against them for so long?
and by USING people like that, minorities or otherwise,
the “selectors” clearly demonstrate the disgusting disregard they have
for anyone but themselves.
elitist is the most abhorrent “-ist” by far.
elitist is the most abhorrent “-ist” by far.
That merits a BOOM my friend!
All the ugliest -ists come at the hands of elitists.
Bazinga!
Wow, I am perplexed by the comments here, many of which are derogatory to Vivek Ramaswamy.
DeSantis is very disliked as a candidate on this site.
Now, a lesser known presidential contender has tied DeSantis in a poll, may eventually surpass DeSantis, and people here are having conniptions about it.
This does not make sense. Ramaswamy will not become President, so why the angst?
I prefer to look at what Ramaswamy has to offer as a candidate and consider him based on his merits, instead of besmirching his character.
I don’t see anybody here besmirching his character. Most everyone is saying he’s a complete unknown and talk is cheap.
He is a complete unknown, but would not be if people listened to his many interviews and did some research on him.
Ramaswamy’s interview with Jordan Peterson is very informative, as was his recent interview with Tucker, when Tucker interviewed most of the republican candidates.
F*** him. He’s as fake as a $3 bill. He will probably copy president Trump and say I will use my own money to campaign, I don’t need donors. Well no kidding. He got his money up front. He wants to open the floodgates for Indian immigration. Nope. He doesn’t really want to knock down the transvestite thing. He doesn’t think we’re mad because the election was stolen. He has some batshit crazy theory he told Tucker the other day. Are those the ideas you think he has to offer? I’ll see if I can find the Tucker thing.
I think you need another beer.
Go give yourself a swirlie.
Like I wrote earlier Sparky, saw you a mile away.
If you were a “long time reader/Poster” as you state you would not be perplexed at all.
Saw you trying to spark kinetics when you first showed up, now this shit.
You are an outsider. Who is OK with FIBBING.
You don’t like Ramaswamy because he wasn’t born to the right people. You don’t like English as a 2nd language speakers. You consider commenter that have not been here as long as you an “outsider”.
I don’t think President Trump would like you. He married a foreign woman!!! NO … that’s wrong. He married TWO foreign women!
In my opinion, Vivek is fake. He mouths things he believes will garner support, but he doesn’t exude them from his pores. He doesn’t bleed MAGA.
Now maybe time may prove me wrong, but collectively people on this site have a very finely tuned sense of smell, and we see these sorts of things.
It truly looks like a freak show…………..One more freakiest than the next.
Truth!
I’m not buying into the Ramaswamy hype nor am I buying the RFK hopium, although RFK does some deep dives on issues that are admirable.
What alarms me here is that while the Meatball is tanking, PDJT is tapering off too. Is Ramaswamy the Meatball Plan B? I see him everywhere. Even “influencers” who aren’t strictly political in their content are focusing on him. I see him as another Trojan Horse.
I think he’s been on WarRoom with Bannon or I saw a clip of it during that Turning Point thing last weekend. Bannon better not keep showcasing him, we can’t be this stupid.
Nice try. “What alarms me here is that while the Meatball is tanking, PDJT is tapering off too..”. We are not “concerned” and Trump is not tapering.
What do you mean by “nice try?” You seem suspicious.
You seem
suspiciousobservant.Vivek says mostly the right things but I have learned to be extremely wary especially of people running for office .
The democrats and Biden have made it a practice to lie lie and lie some more about their real intentions and say anything and everything to make sure you get elected . That’s the goal, once you’re in then you switch and implement the real agenda .
Why is swami even running agaisnt an essentially sitting president?
He doesnt deserve any respect from Trump supporters.
We shouldn’t have primaries? President Trump will win more supporters when he shows the World the Right stuff in the debates. Weren’t we all better off by Dr. Ben Carson running “against” President Trump? The Republican debates will catch the attention of Democrats, Independents and RINOs who will undoubtedly learn the MSM has done nothing but lie about him and MAGA.
Lawyer Robert Barnes had a discussion on a podcast recently. He went over the Constitution, history of terms used in the constitution, all the legal precedence cases, etc and said Vivek is absolutely a Natural Born Citizen.
Vivek is likable but a
traditional-establishment-election loser. His desire to end the depth of education is a classic establishment ploy to tickle our ears while eliminating the suburban female vote from GOP contention thus helping the uniparty get their sock puppet elected.
The second pic is real, did CNN really air the first Trump is Godzilla graphic?
No.
Not yet . . .
😈
I love Godzilla! During the first “Roseanne” sitcom, there was always a foot tall Godzilla action figure behind the couch on the buffet.
President Trump, soaring like an eagle above the pack!
Vivek is Harvard and Yale, I am tired of those people.
Ainsley and Hannity deserve each other.
Add to it — he’s a lawyer! Lawyers are good at talking out of both sides of their mouths…case in point: Ron DeSantis! No loyalty except to their client(s)!
Where do Vivek, Ron, and Tim’s votes go during the general ? Any analysis on that question?
20% of Rob’s vote acknowledged they’d vote for Biden over him.
So I would assume a similar percentage for the new and shiny ABT (Anybody But Trump).
From the Gateway Pundit:
GOP Presidential Candidate Vivek Ramaswamy Responds to Scrutiny Over Alleged Ties to Soros, WEF, and Controversial Partnership with NIH for Centralized COVID-19 Patient Surveillance Database (VIDEO)
hare krishna
hare krishna
krishna krishna
hare hare
Ramaswamy
Ramaswamy
swamy swamy
rama rama
Culture Counts.
We got folks telling us dropping a kid on our soil destines him for the Presidency.
I think not, and we are fools to ignore the society and culture of the parents that formed a man that would rule us.
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You would think that true descendants of slaves would be the most voracious about countering anchor babies.
Slaves were granted emancipation AND also, citizenship.
Hence, THEIR CHILDREN born in these United States at that point in the history of our country, WERE natural born citizens, eligible to be president!
But, the new class of slaves trafficked into this country, NEED TO BE EMANCIPATED if they want the same outcome . . .
Odd that Tucker didn’t ask Vivek if the 2020 election was stolen. And even odder that DeSantis came out of the interview as having performed well. Haven’t heard much from Tucker since the Tate interview.
”Likely Republican voters” are 33 1/3% of the electorate. Fetterman and Harvey Weinstein can beat Trump with the independents. ANY other Republican candidate can win the independent vote. Please explain to me how Trump can beat any Democrat or any Republican (if Trump runs as an independent) with the independent vote. Democrat win equals a one party dictatorship run 100% from Washington.
Isn’t he Hindu?
Careful, some don’t want us to ask what that might signify and the ramifications thereof.
You know, the usual shame people into silence routine, despite the fact that Culture Counts.
I am concerned about his Soros connection. He says it was George’s brother who gave the money for the scholarship he got but …..
Well Vivek is a populist. And I think the appeal of RFK Jr. emanates from that same place. I love that Vivek is here and predicted a few months ago his rise. Full disclosure I have friends that know him personally who have provided some insight into his personal characteristics. To me, he underscores for these self-interested morons that Trump is not their problem, he is merely its symptom. They continue to delude or perhaps pretend to be deluded that he somehow pulled Vulcan mind-meld on us, as opposed to the reality of his descent down that escalator. In reality many of us saw a person who could not be corrupted by money at the same time a person who deeply loves this country. A refreshingly powerful combination at this time of decline in our Constitutional Republic. And so while I would prefer our resurgence of Jacksonian populism to be more stealth, in light of the lawfare at work I think Vivek’s rise is a shot across the bow to the corruptocons who relish a world order where they have the illusion that they, and they only will prosper. So I celebrate the 37 year old Vivek at the same time all of my cards are on the 70 something Trump. There must be a future, even in light of the importance of the present.
Omg Chris Christy beat Pence… 🤣🤣🤣
How is “America is not my concern” Pence at 4%?
Forget birth right augments, after Obama this needs to be taken to court. I am more concerned about him being a WEF plant. There was info out there when he first announced he was running and they were keeping it under wraps. Plus, he stated he wanted more immigration – just like his parents! So more immigration from India is what he would get through.
I am a newbie. Vivek Ramaswamy received advanced degree funding from Soros, has received public recognition from WEF since 2018. He probably is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Beware!
You catch on quick! 😉
All true, but allow the candidate to respond to those charges:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-faces-scrutiny-alleged/
While we need Trump, we also need others who are honest brokers too. We need an army of ’em. Let’s not be hasty with our judgments until we’ve thoroughly vetted them all.
Nice try
You mean like JUDASpence, Ryan, Sessions, Cassidy, DeSantis and ALL the other back-stabbing RINOS ??
One thing those listed have in common. All career politicians. I recommend you read the link above. If I remember correctly “fake news “ tied Trump to Soros while he was running in 2016. The enemy will lie to destroy good candidates they can not control. Vivek refused membership into the WEF. When they refused to remove him from the list, he sued them . Stated early on he did not agree with their agenda. So the WEF is no fan of Vivek’s.
Totally agree with your logic. Trump cannot right the country alone.
He will need help from some very bright people whose careers did not rise via the swamp.
Just no Ivy Leaguers.
Even Tom Cotton is Ivy League.
DeSantis is Ivy League.
Like Mittens with his Binders of Women, give me Binders of posible Cabinet and Administration Public Servants, NONE OF WHOME have any connection with Ivy League indoctrination
…. Donald Trump himself is Ivy League
Well, that excludes Ramaswampy.
Again… Yale, Harvard…Interned at Goldman Sachs…
Wrong.
Ramaswamy, unlike other WEF Devotees, has published a detailed statement of his through rejection of everyone and all this related to the WEF. Son of immigrants, aspirations to attend law school, it was Paul Soros’s non-profit fund established to donate to high achievement-low income students. George Soros takes the ‘money buys people’ to a kingship level. Most have never heard of Paul Soros.
Ramaswamy is NOT aligned with Soros’ or the WEF. Ramaswamy is suing the WEF as we speak because they published him as a member and will not take it down.
credentials: Breitbart website
who is speaking in the first person: Vivek Ramaswamy
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/19/vivek-ramaswamy-announces-lawsuit-world-economic-forum/
Nice try
You sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
Ramaswamy is smart, but so was Obama. We now have the worst Collectivist national healthcare system of all, because of Obama. And that took some real doing.
Ramaswamy is brilliant. Obama was not. What you are trying to equate makes no sense.
I see a fast talking opportunist who launches into his list of prepared talking points, which has never equated with brilliance to me. But he is smart and prepares himself for all contingencies he might face, which is similar to Obama’s. Ramaswamy knows his target market for the votes he needs, and it will shift around as the needs dictate. The comparison with the con artist Obama and his Obamacare legislation was a poor example of what can happen when we get conned by power seekers. I have been doing the tap dance with my medical advisor, who claims to be a doctor, and that is why I made an analogy that doesn’t seem to fit in this discussion. I can do better and I hope you get a sense of what I was thinking from this reply.
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You can’t just be named to WEF Young Leaders. You have to be nominated (not a secret) by an alumnus, give them reams of personal information, and go through a competitive and extensive screening process that includes an interview.
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outhouse counsel, your musings put NY Slimes and Washington Most to shame.
The WEF saw his potential. They wanted to own him. He refused their invitation. Now they will attempt to destroy him with lies. Do not fall for it.
If he is so against the WEF, why did he speak there and conduct a forum there?
Thank you. The kneejerk WEF!!! crap is wearing thin on me. The ol’ let’s cut off our noses to spite our faces logic. I want to see what he’s about, and so far, I am favorable, and Trump hinted that he is,too. I am 110% Trump, but he’s only got another 4 years….it’s going to a take a team to keep MAGA going once he retires.
Yep.
Vivek is also being bankrolled by Lex Wexner from Ohio. I think I read this on ToreSays in her Telegram channel. She should know because she ran for Secretary of State in Ohio 2020 election. Which LaRose, current SOS, screwed her over. So that he could win.
Link please because I can’t find one regarding Lex Wexner funding Ramaswamy.
Ramaswamy is funding his campaign with mainly his own money. 15 million thus far.
40% of his 65,000 unique donors are from first time Republican donors.
He is not being bankrolled by any billionaires.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4099716-ramaswamys-second-quarter-haul-includes-5-million-in-self-donated-funds/
Who cares.
I do. If it dispels false or tainted gossip, or confirms it, I care. Trump’s not going to be around forever, and MAGA needs fuel in the form of new blood to keep it going.
His funding came from businessman PAUL AND DAISY SOROS FELLOWSHIP, not George. Honestly, please do some research before you spread wrong information.
Who cares!
You think like a lynch mob member. Some of us care about justice.
I guess it would be a good idea to find out who PAUL AND DAISY SOROS are and be sure they aren’t related to the old boy George Soros. I had never even heard Ramaswamy’s name before he decided to run for President, and it sounds like you are more informed on this guy, so hang in there and keep digging.
Paul and George are brothers.
https://www.pdsoros.org/ – Paul was older brother of George. Came to America with little to no money and made it big as he lived out the American Dream. No evidence that his younger brother had any influence whatsoever.
You are a DeSantis hack. Vivek had nothing to do with WEF. He received a scholarship from Soros’ brother, not George Soros. But continue spreading your lies to mislead people.