Yes, it’s true, according to the information contained in the Jack Smith indictment of President Donald John Trump, The Conservative Treehouse likely holds similar “classified documents” as outlined in the case by the special prosecutor.
Once you understand how, you then understand one of the most overlooked nonsensical aspects to the insufferable DOJ and FBI case that has been pushed in the media for the past year.
The indictment accuses President Trump of withholding documents containing “classified markings,” a very specifically deployed obtuse wording intended to create the implication of something nefarious where nothing nefarious exists. It is entirely possible for a person, any person, especially a person who follows the news, to possess documents containing “classified markings.”
There is a big difference between a classified document and a document containing classified markings. As an example, anyone who has looked at the Carter Page FISA application, made public in July 2018, has reviewed a document containing “classified markings.” When a document is declassified, they do not remove the markings.
You might think this is a one-off use of the “documents with classification markings” lingo, but it’s not. This language is the underpinning of the entire DOJ/FBI framework that predicated the raid on Mar-a-Lago. Specifically, neither NARA nor the DOJ-NSD requested President Trump or his team to return Classified Documents. The DOJ demanded the return of any documents that contained “classified markings.” [SEE BELOW]
Because the verbiage is so intentionally obtuse (ie. Lawfare), a fulsome production in compliance with this DOJ demand would include any newspaper or magazine articles that had a picture of the Carter Page FISA application, or any printed online article that might contain the same or similar elements. There is a big difference between asking for a classified document return, and asking for a return of documents that contain “classified markings.” [Example from CTH, below left]
As a result, it is entirely possible, I would say almost certain, that President Trump -and his legal team- returned every document that contained classified information but may have omitted documents that retained “classified markings”. There’s the spirit of compliance, and the letter of absolute compliance when contrast against a very granular interpretation of the request.
It is obvious from the demand, the DOJ/FBI were casting a wide net on the compliance side, knowing that amid hundreds-of-thousands of presidential documents and records, there would be obscure documents with classified markings that had nothing to do with national security. Thus, the “classified markings” establishes a Lawfare compliance tactic.
It will be interesting to see how this nonsense progresses. It becomes easier to call it nonsense, when you simply accept the approach being used. If the DOJ-NSD, FBI, Special Counsel or NARA were genuinely interested in ‘national security issues’, they would not be playing obtuse word games in order to structure court filings simply for media narrative engineering and propaganda purposes.
Again, all of these insufferable pretending elements simply create more avenues for smart legal minds to highlight to the court. The judges can see through this nonsense, and their action or lack thereof becomes part of showcasing their own agenda. Fortunately Judge Cannon has a very solid background on the Mar-a-Lago documents case. She wouldn’t need to have this stuff pointed out to her; she has already experienced it.
In the interim, for your own conversational points with friends and family, simply draw their attention to the difference between Classified Documents and documents containing “classified markings,” eventually everyone except the rabid orange-man-bad moonbats will figure out the games being played.
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ps. My advice would be to hire this guy and let him have fun with it.
The Smith Dossier! I was just looking up Dubelier the other day, not sure where he works now.
Dubelier is listed on this website for NY bar listings: iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney services
You can search for his contact info, which is:
[email protected]
202-488-8094
Sundance. Does that mean we are all subversives?
Does that mean that people are going to read CTH and you get in trouble?
You mean, more trouble than we’re all in now? Oh, Nooooooooo
“Right Wing Website”, you say! Dare it not be so!
Insurgents … isn’t that what Nancy Pelosi called us?
Deplorable Insurgents…I may have to update my CTH name…
Nope.
We’re DEPLORABLES, and proud of it!
The woman who staged the J6 coup? That Nancy, per chance?
Wicked, wicked, woman…
The Wicked Witch of California.
Looks like a cross between Pelousy and Liz Cheney to me.
Gotta be E. Jean Carroll aka Eugene Carroll, the charlatan who’s been suing DJT for sexual assault.
No, Kenji means “Nanzi”, that Nancy.
Gleefully YES!!!!
If the judge is a fraud, there will be a lot of effort in pretending not to notice obvious things.
Its just another tick tock operation… They want to sideline Trump, much the way they did during his presidency while using the Media to try and influence the independent voting mob with fake news. However, dont let that effort fool you because these tactics just make Trump even more popular. The medias job is to simply spread the 24/7 narrative that the fraudulent election results are because of this.
I’ll wait by the front door for the F.B.I. to arrive. The documents with classified markings I used to line the bird cage have finally landed me in hot water. Pray for me boys.
ROFLOL!!! Don’t insult the bird droppings with those classified marked documents, Mike.
Maybe they will come for the bird? They are in his cage.
I come for Sundance’s insight, but I read the comments for posts like this.
Om mani padme hom.
🙂
Mike in a Truck: I’m sorry, but, I do not know any such “Mike in a Truck.” Never heard of the guy. That is, if this “Mike” is a guy. Never can tell for sure, these day.
More importantly, what are the pronouns for this “Mike in a Truck” whom we have never met on CTH? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gripes, the BIRDS ARE NOW D.O.A.
Destruction of Evidence.
Sundance NEVER disappoints .
Best sentence ever:
“If the DOJ-NSD, FBI, Special Counsel or NARA were genuinely interested in ‘national security issues’, they would not be playing obtuse word games in order to structure court filings simply for media narrative engineering and propaganda purposes.”
They don’t care about facts or evidence. The process is the punishment and the enemy MSM will have swamp gas to yammer on about 24/7…”their dark masters demand it”. …to put up and keep the hypnotized gazing at their screens, saying “yes master.” .
But the truth is that they have less and less hypnotized gazing at their networks. More and more people are joining Maga because of their constant harassment of Trump.
No doubt. That’s awesome.
The constant harassment of Trump and the way he fights back is winning people over. He does not give up.
He told Hillary this afternoon she lost her crooked nickname because she is no longer relevant. Ouch!
Crooked Joe has the crown now.
All this nonsense is also costing Trump a lot of money.
THAT’S why we MUST ALL support him!!!
“Swamp gas to yammer on about”. 😄
If i recall, the punishment for treason is execution.
I wonder how many of the swamp creatures will be executed after the swamp is drained.
Oh, make my day! And I don’t think Our Lord looks too kindly on traitors.
D C no longer has enough LAMP POSTS for all of those that have actually EARNED it !
I for 1 prefer heads on pikes on the White House lawn 😊
So, a document marked “Unclassified” that is 50 years old still bears “classified markings” because Unclassified is a level of classification.
And, if you had a copy of a Procurement Bid Request from 1970 for office furniture that is marked “Procurement Sensitive”, but the contracting action was cancelled, you’d still be in possession of a document with “classified markings” because “Procurement Sensitive” is a level of document classification.
These people are trying to create crimes, not find them.
That is exactly how I read it.
What am I missing?
It is similar to them saying, “Mr. Smith was found in a hotel room with a woman who is not his wife.”
(It was Mr. Smith’s mother)
So, if Mr. Smith was found with a woman,not his wife, in a Hotel room, and Mr Smith is Jack Smith, a federal prosecutor, then was Jack Smith engaged in illegal conjugation? Just asking. I mean if Jack was in a hotel room, with a woman who isn’t his wife, then isn’t he guilty of something? And if he knew it was Mr Smith’s mother, at the time, was his Mother, then isn’t that a crime? Oh, the good old days when Men were Men, Women were Women, Children were valued, God was Honored, Law was respected, sheep weren’t nervous, child molesters/murderers hung on a rope, traitors were hung, Govt feared the people, and I was safe as a citizen from the oppressors who think I don’t know where they live. Funny that. Well, it isn’t 2024.9 yet, so we’ve got a lot of drama to play out. Already made my choice. Trump.
BINGO!!! And we need to spread THIS info far and wide, ESPECIALLY to normies just beginning to awaken.
Just starting to awaken ? Not normies.
Send it to Turley, McCarthy, and Dershowitz.
Similarly, a classified cover sheet attached or perhaps laying on a document may be construed as a violation. They did this in the photo of the stacks of coversheets spread out on the floor. The media ran fast on just this. Absolute BS.
Show me the crime and I will find the man
Just like Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria.
Yes, and I recall reading a blog by a retired federal prosecutor who said many times a folder/a cover has many “classification” still on it as it got passed around and “re-classified” over the months and years.
Eric Dubelier a lawyer who mocks the system with quotes, in other words ridiculing the opposition. An article from:
https://apnews.com/article/north-america-ap-top-news-elections-courts-movies-5ac2a1bf5d464663bdd8f40a7c14efb8
Gives an indication of this.
I know a little bit more about Eric, thanks to Sundance
Regards
Climate Heretic
Both NY bar assn. and Wash. DC bar assn have Dubelier registered online and his contact info is public.
I can’t find him listed with reed smith llc. Strange!
Ah, yes. The one Russian company that fought back, so the feds dropped the case.
Does that mean we can all expect a knock at the door with men in black
Yeah, give up your 1st Amendment Right because a installed puppet administration will send some gay jackboots after you.
This is why I enjoy linking to https://bidencrimes.com/
Branden hates that stuff.
FJB
Does it have to be gay ones, Mass? Can I opt for heterosexual men, so that I can get a good rub down that doesn’t violate my religion?
Never thought being an insurrectionist would be a goal of a single Christian Mom… yet here we are!
What a bunch of ejits.
Best I can do is communist
Heh!
Curiosity killed the cat.
Memes brought him back.
If (U) appears in the document, it is “a document with classification markings.”
I’m a former president of the United States. FU
How’s that for a defense?
Works for all the other former presidents.
Nice! I like it!
Like it, like it, yes I do!
Bravo!
There is a time limit on many documents. One can go to the government archives, make a search on a topic, find documents both ancient and modern that once had classified markings up to and including Top Secret; one can copy them using an Archives xerox, and use them later on in writing a book, essay, etc. I should thinkk that “classification markings” per se is legally meaningless.
Thank you, Sundance for all that you do to inform us.
Without Sundance, we would be lost and very depressed. Sundance is my pick-up pill of the day, my booster.
Because of democrat policies our nation is being overrun with illegal aliens that are comforted and given free phones, education, healthcare and much more. Because of democrat policies our jail are being emptied of cop killers, murderers, felons, rapists and child molesters. Because of democrats Antifa and BLM burn and loot with little or no opposition. Because of democrats a former President is endlessly persecuted for deeds he did not commit, but which they have themselves done. Because of democrats our elections are no longer verifiable and ballot harvesting is approved. Because of democrats our nation, it’s culture, it’s constitution are disregarded to advance the globalist agenda. Because of democrats peace loving, country loving white peoples are targeted as domestic terrorists and deplorables. Because of democrats the nations DOJ, FBI, CIA and all its agencies have been politicized. The democrats two biggest complicit partners are the corporate media and the Republican Party leaders. When will this bubble burst? This is unsustainable.
No shit Sherlock. Sad but true.
Not real democrats; it’s the mafia. Thugs and bullies of an organized global crime syndicate have infiltrated and weaponized all law enforcement entities. Ultimate goal is to siphon off our treasury.
Was discussed in Dinish D’Souza movie about Hillary.
We all seem to be neutralized, incapable of action.
Amazing to see it all play out!
Remember Brenda Snipes, Supervisor of Elections, in Broward Cty FL who cheated during 2018 elections and was called out? She ended up resigning. We need to see more of that. Much more. Plus prosecutions.
And the left want people to believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans voted for this .
NOBODY voted for this .
Potato – Pahtato – A bunch of devious bastards, are they not???!!!
POTATUS
“The Process is the Punishment”…indeed!As long as the narrative provides fodder The Media, then from their corrupt position- mission accomplished! Any “convictions” , however unlikely, are cherries and icing.
Solution is more sunlight (let it shine Sundance!) that forces the corrupt and/or cowardly to have to take action beyond lip service…
The SS and the Gestapo became very aggressive as WWII began going against the Nazis.
These are nasty demonic fascist, anything goes.
Just read an accusation about an intentional water leak from a pool into the server room at Mar-A-Lago. And boxes of documents hidden from the original search.
That sounds like grasping at straws. But is there anything to it?
Why is the case being heard if it is as weak as it seems on the surface?
Thanks
To sway public opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
And, if you read the whole article, no documents were hurt.
The original warrant was so broadly drawn as to be unconstitutional.
Reminds me of Hillary continually crowing that she ‘never sent nor received any document marked classified.’ Of course she didn’t because government document classifications are confidential, secret, or top secret. Another play on what your definition of ‘is’ is.
Maybe Judge Cannon should be sent this story.
I’m not a betting man.
I am, however, a speculating man……
And I will speculate that it is not out of the ballpark that she would be spied upon for such events to occur.
After all, the FBI spied on candidate Trump, President Trump, and various sitting members in Congress, did they not?
Oh, I’m sure the FBI didn’t use the term spying, but isn’t that what it was……and perhaps still is?
When Trump came out and said that he was being spied upon in 2016, at one point, Jeanne Shaheen (Dem NH) was on TV asking Wray if “they” were spying on Trump. Wray, with a straight face replied, (I wouldn’t call it spying.”
I will never forget it, partly because I despise Jeanne Shaheen; both she and Wray looked so smug during that TV segment, it was disgusting.
His weasel wording became apparent, and in a hurry.
I believe that they’ll work to get her off the case.
Or about a million friend of the court letters asking the prosecution to be held in contempt and jailed.
Most definitely! And also sent to all of Trump’s Defense Attorneys.
Replaced.
The big question is this…if Trump surrenders, he’ll end up like the J6ers, Roger Stone or Mike Flynn. There is no one in DC who isn’t a Democrat and they’ll see to it, no matter the laws, that he is found guilty. And I’m not impressed with his attorneys either.
I was not impressed with his attorneys at all. They seemed very weak and stupid and compliant. I hope he gets better help on these criminal charges.
If he surrenders, he’ll likely end up like Epstein.
My advice to him is to flee to a country with no extradition treaty with the U.S. (does Greenland qualify?) and campaign remotely. I mean, if we could be assured that he’d be safe in prison a la Nelson Mandela, having him overcome the margin of fraud and win from jail would be epic … but at this point, we’re more corrupt than any third world sh*thole.
Out: #OrangeManBad.
In: #OrangeMandelaBad.
What the heck is the matter with you and Kelleigh Nelson??? POTUS Trump does not run, he does not hide, he does NOT surrender. Your posts speak volumes about the both of you; pathetic ….
President Trump does not give up. He does NOT surrender. Get lost, troll.
Any trial regarding these so called “classified documents” will be held in Florida, not DC. Could still happen, but not as likely!
This case is to be tried in Florida.
So far this is what I have seen.
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DOJ decides which docs cannot be viewed and uses that as an excuse to gets rid of special master and install Jack Smith
DOJ decides which docs are classified (not necessarily the same docs that cannot be viewed)
DOJ breaks law by leaking to media
DOJ breaks law by bribing attorney for defense
DOJ forces Trump’s attorney’s to be removed
DOJ transcripts to media are altered from original (see Sperry)
DOJ threatens witness if he does not turn on Trump.
Main steam media is silent on DOJ abuses
BINGO, Freedom ring. Most likely this entire prosecution, er, persecution will be dragged out for numerous months. The LSM will be rabidly accusing Trump… that’s what they do.
In the end, I expect justice to prevail, like it eventually did in the Mueller Russian hoax, impeachment #1 and impeachment #2.
Then it is up to us and Trump media to call out the DOJ & their henchmen & set the record straight, just like SD does! We can all make as much noise as they can! Alternative Media is becoming more popular every day!
Whistling Jack Smith’s 1967 catchy tune was a worldwide smash. Today, Jack Smith’s remake is called “I Am Kaiser Joe’s Batman”. He whistles it out of his Trump-hating sphincter. Watch the video:
My download directory is full of documents marked classified. They are all over the internet. Once they are declassified that’s where they go.
Same for me. My downloads are in Chyna by now, alone with all the OMP records, Equifax records, and all my voting records.
Must be why I gove a Chinese voice mail from Shanghai last month (true).
Lol I’ve gotten those too. I then asked my kids, “why the heck does Xi keep calling me!?”
You got a call too? Whew! Thanks for telling me. I’m feeling a little better! LOL
What the heck??? Are you peeps getting these calls because your profiles are out there all over the place?
I am a senior citizen and guard my privacy with my life. I don’t get calls from”XI.” I get some random calls from Bots looking to sell me something, but I do not respond.
C’mon, MaineCoon. I also live in Maine. I never got a call from “XI” or any other foreign operative. And I do not know anybody else that did get such calls.
Are you and CM-TX just joshing??? If so, ignore my response of 7:39 p.m.
However, I must say that we are in a very serious time, considering that the DS Cabal is trying to imprison our best and only hope for the Country as we know/knew it, DJT.
You can tell it’s a weissman production by the completely tortured legal analysis and asinine conclusions. 🙄
Also thought of dubelier. Legend.
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Per Sundance’s suggestion, Eric A. Dubelier should be retained.
If not retained, I suggest he file an Amicus Curai brief with all Treepers submitting affidavits attesting we too have the same or similar documents of interest with classified markings admittedly obtained via the Right Wing Website called The Conservative Treehouse.
I admit I have stacks of boxes, some leaning or tipped over, in my garage and closets. It’s a bad look, lock me up. I’ll spare you the pictures.
The Court Listener is guilty of distributing documents with classified markings. Everyone who has downloaded the indictment should be added to the list of defendants [raises hand].
You can’t be serious… 🤦♀️
It is not even “classified markings“, rather it is “classification markings” and the latter would also include a marking that says “not classified“!
let me get this straight: you support obstructing the Department of JustUS?
I do, and I’m tired of pretending that I don’t
WE DO NOT FLINCH
God Bless America
I am posting a link to documents with classified markings.
This is not a joke.
The case against President Trump and the people pushing it is a joke, but these documents with classified markings still on them are no joke.
https://83rdinfdivdocs.org/documents/329th/AAR/AAR_329_JUL1944.pdf
Yes, these documents INDISPUTABLY have classified markings on them.
If President Trump had these documents he would be guilty, according to the DOJ and FBI, of holding documents with classified markings.
The law does *NOT* “apply equally to all”, and the DOJ and FBI are *PROVING* it with their case against President Trump.
If the President has any document, no matter how it is marked, it is not classified. If he took it with him when ge left office, it is his property. A federal court made that decision in the Clinton soc drawer case, and it was never challenged.
Damn the narrative torpedoes.
Full Speed Ahead!
Is the biggest tell being overlooked in this whole theater that Billy doughnuts Barr told us of this inditement almost down to the minute? We know he has a vested interest in kneecapping President Trump!
We’re gonna need a Give. Send. Go. account to help get Sundance high-priced attorneys and eventually out of jail!
Or maybe President Trump can foot the bill as a generous gratuity for Sundance’s support and influence on his behalf …
/only half-joking
Best lawyer wins.
Like I said in the past, this is an attack on the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments. Soon the 1st and 2nd will be gone. Since we support the 45612, we are the 45612 club.
That zip code is a pretty red district in Ohio. It is Portmans district, but we are focusing on the attacks on the Amendments.
Just a thought.
Well done! Excellent headline!
Thank you, Sundance!
Here is something to ponder, I think:
what about framed covers of “Time” magazine with Donald Trump on the cover?
Why were those confiscated?
adding insult to injury?
it’s a known tactic of the night police.
also..eventually President Trump sues for the return of his personal priviledges documents.
the DOJ returns table magazines.
adds insult to injury.
the thing about corrupt people with power is that they do not stop.
UNLESS THEY ARE MADE TO STOP
God Bless America
Why did they take his passport & medical records? Because they could! They later were made to return some of the stuff they had taken!
Hmm…, Jack is steeped in some really bad schiff .
He must be a practicing flunkystudent of Obamboozler’s (plagerized)
-“Just Words”.
I think Eric A. Dubelier is the one that called Mueller‘s Bluff and won. When Mueller was trying to frame all of the Russians this guy called his bluff and said see you in court. Weissman and Mueller could not believe. They didn’t think anyone would fight it and this guy did so it was dropped.
Certainly was not what Rosie expected.
“Ahoy CTH….Prepare to be boarded!”
Signed, All three letter agencies.
HEE HEE HEE🤣
I don’t believe for a minute that dude Sharkinfl has ever been a marine or is anything he says he is . He’s a basement dwelling liberal .
I don’t have a clue who the Sharkinfl dude is but I’ll take your word on him. I’m laughing about SD’s comment. It struck me as quite funny!
Sundance!!! You resorting to click-bait….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good catch, Sundance! I do believe it was intentional that they wrote “classification markings” instead of naming the classifications, e.g., (TS) Top Secret.
(U) Unclassified is a classification marking. See page 5 of this document. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/FOIA/Authorized%20Classification%20and%20Control%20Markings%20Register%20V1.2.pdf
Lost in the shuffle. NSA/nsd all has the originals – digital. PJT has copies!!!! Nothing was taken , let alone illegally
“they” are afraid of what PDJT had/has.
Thanks Sundance!
Your article made my day.
What about the fact that ALL of these documents are generated by computers? Don’t the agencies already have copies of everything anyway?
Meanwhile, Sundance is killing it! (not literally of course)
Missed your comment cause I didn’t scroll down
Exactly
But they have the originals. Trump has copies
The Sword of Sundance!
I pray that Judge Aileen Cannon and every one of Trump’s Defense Attorneys read this post. And act accordingly.
SD, hope you can reach out to these people and shed light and truth. God bless you all.
The question I have is do your any other treeper know if President Trump has this info?