First, some context: ♦ A trillion dollars is one-thousand billions. ♦ A trillion seconds is 31,709 years. ♦ The last federal budget that went through regular order was signed into law in September of 2007. ♦ Today is December 23rd. ♦ Obamacare was passed in the Senate December 23, 2009.
Today, the Democrat controlled House of Representatives has just passed the Senate constructed $1.7 trillion omnibus spending bill. The massive spending bill now blocks the incoming Republican congress from impeding the Biden agenda and heads directly to the installed occupant of the White House for signature.
Most of the House republicans who voted to approve the spending bill are retiring, they include: Liz Cheney (WY), Rodney Davis (IL), Brian Fitzpatrick (AL), Jaime Herrera Beutler (WA), Chris Jacobs (NY), John Katko (NY), Adam Kinzinger (IL), Fred Upton (MI), and Steve Womack (AR).
The 2022 Omnibus bill includes $45 billion for Ukraine in addition to changes in election laws intended to block the American people from interfering in the legislative business of Washington DC in the future.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi celebrated the House passage calling the bill “truly a package for the people,” where people are defined as those who live and congregate in Washington DC to indulge themselves at taxpayers’ expense. There is no larger disconnect.
Speaker Pelosi continued by saying, “members have planes to catch, gifts to wrap, carols to sing, religious services to attend to,” she said, adding that the time reminded her of an English song: “Christmas is coming, goose is getting fat, please put a penny in the old man’s hat.” No, I’m not making that up – she said that.
WASHINGTON DC – The House on Friday approved a mammoth $1.7 trillion funding package, capping a chaotic week as party leaders dashed to avoid a shutdown and an intensifying winter storm just days before Christmas.
It passed on a 225-201 vote, with one Democrat, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), voting present. Nine Republicans, most of whom are leaving after this Congress, voted for the bill, while one Democrat voted against it: New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. (read more)
I think we all know what comes next…..
Too pissed to comment
I’m not just pissed, I know I’ll start more arguments if I open up here, so don’t say what I really want to say. Maybe not even pissed, just maybe afraid to ask what I wanted to.
After reading what Sundance had to say, it is probably best I don’t go any further, but I want it known that I do believe as most here seem to believe. Decided that even tho I’m way beyond the age for not getting the poke, I’ve done enough reading to decide that even tho I have a couple of the “bad” things; diabetes and high blood pressure, I refuse to even consider the poke. I’m looking at those few that I know who took the shot, and even a son who says he didn’t (but he was a know for not being truthful) who have either gotten really sick or died. It is confusing to me, but I still will not bet the poke. I morn for all those who have gone on before me and just hope I go before
Mr. biden kills any (or many more.) but I am tired of fighting for what I do believe.
The lying, old drunken junkie, Paulie “Dahmer” Pelosi’s wife, lied about the song, here it is by The Laurie Berkner Band:
May God help us all. These people are out of control.
My thought exactly.
Those who signed onto that monstrosity deserve a cruel fate.
We’ve witnessed an entire governmental class turn aside after gain. Creating institutional bribery and turning Justice up-side down. It’s all about the money they’re printing for themselves.
All the schizophrenic, dangerous, and strange behavior is a natural off-shoot of the immense amount of pretending that is required for such selfishness.
“Ancient apocalypse” we are all connected to this world and one another. I just assume God built in a fail safe trigger, what is our purpose? These people who are so “enlightened” need to look at that instead of killing off the population. It’s not comical but when you see the stupidity of all this satanism makes you wonder. Satan was thrown from heaven! Tell me how he would have any good ideas yet they believe his lies knowing he offers damnation for eternity.
God puts up with a lot.
How much Porkulus funding is hidden in this abominable Bill to help steal the 2024 election?
Can’t the 2023 Republican House find clever ways to reduce spending in specific areas or even reverse some of the Omnibus Budget items even though the Senate and Biden wouldn’t support it? That is if this Republican House majority are united enough and 10 or so sleeper sellouts don’t suddenly appear to take over from unhinged Liz Cheney and crybaby Kinzinger.
President Trump found ways to go around Congress by raiding some departments to acquire wall funding. There must be a clever character somewhere that can find ways to cut some of the Dem pork.
Speaking of porkus, don’t you know we need an Obama trail in the worst way? Can’t remember the cost that was mentioned, but do know there just aren’t enough walking paces for the rest of the walking people to use, so we need to build another for Michelle, since we have so much extra money laying around lately.\sarcasm
Heretic! Michelle is ROYALTY!
Eleven million to take our guns, transvestite museums, Ozero walking trail like the one used during the depression to create jobs. Every American could have a huge BarBQ and there would still be pork left over! What are we thinking to let these people have this much control over our lives?
Pelosi’s let-them-eat-cake statement is not really borne of arrogance, although she is arrogant, or bald-faced corruption, although she is certainly corrupt. It is a tactic, a savvy political tactic. She/they (Davos) are playing an old song, the lyrics to which are essentially “Abandon all hope ye who enter here.” This is meant to be a morale killer and to divide their opponents so that we stay home, back off, and bitch and fight amongst each other.
To put things in perspective, the CARES Act, signed by Trump, was 2.2 trillion, and the omnibus budget bills of 20 and 21 were about 1.5 trillion each, which would, I think, make the monetized debt for 2020 at least 3.7 trillion. In other words, these vandals are, if I’m not mistaken, printing and devaluing the currency quite a bit less this year than they got away with in 2020. The FED is now forced to monetize another spending bill, so the bottom line is that the pattern of overspending to cheapen the dollar hasn’t ended yet. But why would it? Why would these people do anything other than what they’ve been doing when they have their last chance to grease their palms and do Davos’ bidding.
Money is still being poured into the system at an unprecedented rate. This won’t curtail until the effective Interest Rate equals the effective Inflation Rate. The spread is much larger than anything we ever saw in the 70’s, that’s the direct consequence of the massive issue of FIAT MONEY (Fake Money). It’s very important for people to understand the deviousness of “Modern Monetary Theory.” I pick it as the main culprit of all our problems because it keeps the crooks in business so to speak. There’s never any day of reckoning. For example, if you don’t have Quantitative Easing you don’t have Joe Biden to begin with. Quantitative Easing is the source of all their power and control. They can buy people off through all levels of society wherever they need the influence. Advertising for example, is the largest Subsidized Industry in the United States – look what that’s done to the media.
I bet the Oil Companies were subsidized for shutting down their operations as another example – anything it takes for them to get what they think they want is what they’ll do with Easy Money.
Just as the airlines fell in line very quickly.
Val1: What’s Keith Richards doing there, on the upper right?
That’s that ugly lady, Rosalie DeLorio or something like that. She always looks like a bag lady. But you prolly already knew that.
Sge probably stinks of urine and mothballs.
Delaura…Always the Hag.
And they keep electing this wench!
“Electing” and installing are now synonyms.
That’s Ron Wood.
lolz! bro
Looks more like Ronnie Wood from that angle.
I thought that was Elvis
With our Patriot missile is my bet.
Sending a million dollar missile after an old sleigh? Waste of resources.
And the war mongers shall inherit Hell.
I wonder if he got the jab.
Aisle trolls, every one!
This is why they don’t want a private, prudent, frugal citizen in charge.
I feel terrible. I voted or this guy not once but twice. “ The Honaroble John Cornyn”.
I can move anywhere I want but, I choose stay where I am just to vote against this senator in 2024.
John Cornyn doesn’t represent the values of Texas. Why is he still in the Senate?
All I can say is Happy Shwanza everyone
Thanks Nancy 🤬
There is no way back from where we are now to balanced coequal branches of a government elected for and by the people. We’re done.
“You know, I know this steak doesn’t exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss.” – Cypher, The Matrix
I believe I’m beginning to appreciate Cypher’s perspective.
Cypher became black pilled after he got to deal with the real world. Hard not to disagree with him after all of these years later.
There are 290 comments before mine, and I doubt I would disagree with any of them.
Kev got a bad haircut. Look at the picture below. Also I saw him on Fox last night and it was sticking up everywhere. His hair usually looks very nice.
Why couldn’t the put a list of the RINO’s…don’t need all the journalists filler….just the facts
They are all RINO’S Every single one of them, not just those whos’ names are always put in print as RINO. Meantime, I’m waiting for the huge amount of laughter from my DEMANDS.
Not Rinos.
Uniparty(R), or Uniparty(D)
Everything is rigged.
These Republicans had the opportunity to slow down the Build Back Better/World Economic Forum agenda, and didn’t. That’s the Modern Uniparty selling us down the Davos river. Time for a Convention of States, as provided by The United States Constitution, Article 5.
Republicans are afraid to fight. AND…they don’t really believe they are any different than the “other side” is.
Wise up…. If they won’t obey both the letter and spirit of the law now, they won’t obey it then.
Don’t let anyone tamper with the Constitution! They don’t follow it as is! That Rick Santorum is involved tells you all you need to know about CoS.
Not a good idea. The last thing we need is an opportunity for the totalitarians to tear apart the constitution, as they certainly would. State sovereignty, the Tenth Amendment, and working locally to block the feds is a much safer plan. DeSantis showed us what can be done by a strong governor.
What comes next?
Sundance, I wish that you’d described a $Trillion as 1 Million piles of
$1 Million. The term 1 Million has bern used so much where no one thinks of how much money it really is. It is the reason we have terms “Ga-jillion” and “zillion.” Very few people understand the compounding that occurs between Million, Billion, Trillion, Quadrillion and so on.
$1,700,000,000,000.00
US Taxpayer blood money.
He did right by me: 1 trillion seconds is approximately 37,000 years. Globally, nations have chalked up more than $313 T in debt. 313 x 37,000……..
Just count the zeroes and when you get tired, start over.
Oh My Heavens; were none of them wearing masks? May Fuc**i forgive them all.
Been wondering what would happen; besides humungus laughter; if I was to ‘demand’ something I want (not need) like some or most of these so called big wigs (think they are) demand.
The Godless Democrats have to go home for Christmas. That’s rich.
In their own words, “Home for Xmas.”
Omnibus includes 12 hidden gun grabs.
Massive 14.1% ATF Budget Increase to Facilitate Biden’s Pistol Ban
50% Increase for ATF’s NTC Budget to Maintain the Illegal Near-Billion Record Gun Registry
$700+ Million in Funding Available to Bribe States to Pass “Red Flag” Gun Confiscation Laws
Directing VA Medical Centers to Utilize Confiscation Orders on Vulnerable Veterans
Department of Education to Push “Safe Storage” of Parents’ Firearms
Funding for VA to Maintain “Gun Storage Maps” to Keep Tabs on Where Veterans Keep Guns
New Annual Compensation for Families of Deceased ATF Agents Could be an Indication of Upcoming Gun Confiscation
Gun Control Earmarks for “Orchid Healing Circles” and More!
Dickey Violations Galore While CDC Suppresses Self-Defense Statistics
Programs Discouraging Women from Exercising their Second Amendment Rights
Anti-Gun “Community Violence Intervention” Initiatives
“Violent Anti-Government Ideology” and “Domestic Radicalization Research”
How can a spending bill originate in the Senate?? They have to raise revenue for the spending somewhere. This would have to be a House bill.
They do what they did with ACA, the Senate takes a House bill and changes everything but the bill number and then sends it back to the House. Then they claim it originated in the House even if the original House bill wasn’t a spending bill.
I didn’t hear that they had refilled a shell bill. And pulling that underhanded scheme in a lame duck session …
There’s just not even anything left to say about this stuff. We are clearly at the end of the line.
That’s how they did ACA, changed everything but the bill#. Not sure about this bill though.
here’s the history
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2617/all-actions?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22H.R.+2617%22%2C%22H.R.%22%2C%222617%22%5D%7D&s=3&r=4
Thanks. I know that they slimed BarkyCare through with this underhanded trick. I just figured that if they puled a stunt like this at least someone would have reported how despicable an act it was (triply despicable, being in a lame duck session).
Frankly, I don’t see how the courts ever let this crap through, anyway. If the House submits a bill with spending and the Senate adds ay amendments that cause more spending then the Senate is CLEARLY violating the Constitution and being the originators of that extra spending. So, they can hollow out a House bill and put other stuff in it, but the Senate clearly should be restricted to the same amount of spending as the House bill had, since NO SPENDING can originate in the Senate. This is clearly how the Constitution sets things out.
I hate when people break the law and think they are being all clever when it’s clear that even a 4th grader can see that what they are doing is against the law – the Supreme Law, in this case.
and the bill
https:// www appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/JRQ121922.PDF
Thanks.
It takes a real dirtbag to use a lame duck Congress to pass legislation that will have effects past the current session. There is little more immoral and pathetic than that. Every GOPer who signed onto this deal is a lowlife scumbag.
Frankly, I don’t think there’s any hope left for this nation.
The 226 lawmakers who used Pelosi’s proxy policy to skip $1.7T spending bill vote
https://nypost.com/2022/12/23/these-lawmakers-sent-proxies-for-1-7t-spending-bill-vote/
This is a big show. Everyone of the assholes in DC are grifting the American people under the guise of supporting a two bit whore. Nothing the lying sack of shit Zelensky had to say is real. What a sad state of affairs when the strongest nation on earth is taken over by grifters and thieves.
Charlie Kirk said that the $$ for walls in the ME, without ANY border laws for us, is their huge F-U to us, for presuming that our elected “representatives” would actually vote for us, instead of themselves.
One BIG . MIDDLE. FINGER TO THE PLEBES.
Needs vigilante justice. There is no law anymore…Why pretend?
Star Chamber
Of Course the Doofus Stooge of that FILTHY LIBERAL McConnell,The “honourable Tim Scott” voted No…thus avoiding tough questions when he “runs” to be the first ( Non Gay Jug Eared Kenyan ) Black Man ever elected Fake President. The Black Nicki Haley.
The Biden crime syndicate exists only to bust out the Fed, bankrupt you & your children and replace you with illegals.
It’s too bad for them. They KNOW that what they’re doing is illegal, and UNWANTED by our citizens. Gimmee, gimmee, gringo!
Let ’em freeze, along with their spawn. Grifters.
I’m sure Jesus would want small children to die of exposure too, Missy. Merry Christmas.
RINO Rodney Davis rightfully lost his primary race to the MAGA Mary Miller.
It looks like Davis became a Central and Southern Illinois version of Adam Kinzinger who is from Northern Illinois.
We are not obligated to render aid to illegal immigrants who are trespassing in and invading our country.
Hear, hear!
Let’s all support Ronna “Romney” McDaniel for another term at the RNC so she can orchestrate some more losses for the Republicans, aka RINOS. This parrot beak is the swamp. Do not send one penny to this organization, who sells your information to everyone under the sun that floods your inbox begging for money. Republicans don’t have the gonads to use the same tactics as the DemoRats to defeat them at their own game. There are some warriors among the ranks like Jim Jordan, Chip Roy and others, but there is not enough to defeat the entrenched like McCarthy, who is hooked at the hip with Big Tech. Look who voted for the 1.7 or is it 1.85 trillion dollar package. Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton? What the hell were they thinking. Now, they come on TV with no credibility.
Rubio has had no credibility since he started serving as part of the gang of 8. Gang is right!
I have read several sources that say that the Senate Bill could have been stopped by a brave Senator or two. Is this really true?
Looking forward to the day all these traitor RINOs lose, they are investigated and jailed. If there truely is a Revolution, then jail will the safest place for these traitors.
Yes. The filibuster still exists. Four stood up for Rand Paul’s lugging the 4k pages. Rick Scott was there. Two more.
Scum, scum, scum!
Seeing as the US is doomed, let’s get it over with.
These folks “govern”
They no longer “represent”
Those in Congress were meant to openly debate on the floor the budget. Arguing within a budget, where monies should be spent. And if they were truly looking out for our interests they would reserve some monies for a rainy day fund.
Instead, they raise monies for their Parties and get in front of cameras or Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc.
These people are sooo far off the rails and yet they are not held in account by our media?
The First Amendment was defined for this purpose.
They are building a prison for themselves! It’s almost complete. Yes, they may not actually be confined inside prison walls, or maybe not shipped off to Gitmo; although I pray that every single one of these bastards end up there! Yes…the day is almost here where they will not be able to walk down the street or show their evil face in public for fear of not just rebuke, but outright anger, hate, disgust….and yes they will probably feel threatened due to the environment they have created. All by their own doing. And we’ll deserved. I know there are still a minority out there that pretend to be the majority that back the swamp and don’t see the through the lies and illusions these rats have created. But, that’s the minority. The rats are going to have to deal with the majority that have awakened. Maybe it would be beneficial for them to take some of that money they have stolen from us and move to a country that will have their back and protect them…like frickin
China!
First African Nation Jumps On The ‘Arm Ukraine’ Bandwagon With Sale Of Over 100 Tanks
DEC 24, 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-african-nation-jumps-arm-ukraine-bandwagon-sale-over-100-tanks
The United States and the Netherlands are set to buy dozens of T-72 tanks from Morocco and then forward the weapons on to Ukraine, in a deal negotiated in secret between Washington and Rabat. Notably, the move marks a deviation from Morocco’s neutral stance toward the conflict with Russia.
Under the agreement, the US and the Netherlands will buy 90 T-72B Main Battle Tanks for $95 million, and there is an option to add 30 tanks to the sale next year. Rabat will provide spare parts, and the tanks will be upgraded by Excalibur, a Czech military contractor.
Sen. Lindsey Graham: Someone Must “Take Out” Putin For War To End
DEC 23, 2022
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sen-lindsey-graham-someone-must-take-out-putin-war-end
Senator Lindsey Graham this week repeated his call for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be assassinated, telling Fox News in a live interview that the Ukraine war will only end if someone “takes Putin out”.
“How does this war end? When Russia breaks, and they take Putin out. Anything short of that, the war’s gonna continue,” Graham said on Wednesday’s America Reports on Fox.
Someone needs to take YOU out of office, twinkle toes.
Voting really works right, right?
We are doomed my friends. Our government is corrupt through and through down to the state level. I fear for my grandchildren’s futures.
DOOMED is the correct word. We are 2nd/3rd class citz. Get or step out of order, see what happens…
And, like clockwork, Lindsay VOTES Yea and runs to Fox TO COMPLAIN about Biden and sends out a Tweet.
In a perfect world today, he would be flogged, along with ALL the members of Congress.
There’s NO USA support any longer.
WE don’t give Natl Guard members their checks but send $BILLIONS to Ukraine (that has been corrupt since McCain days decades ago. It’s where USA pols go to get kickbacks and WHY their financial statements spike into the $millions while in office).
The govt doesn’t govern, TOO BUSY CONTROLLING….EVERY aspect of American life. It has destroyed healthcare with COVID/vaxx, education system with wokeness/racial injustice/racism, the military to the point we are likely not able to stave off any foreign attacks and unless you are the woke-est of the woke, why are you in the military. Workplace is nothing more than Div and Inclusion factories weeding out white, male, heterosexuals, the govt workforce is a glutton of trans, binary, LBTQUWXY, in every agency and division, including the WH. Every abc agency is a FORCE to destroy ordinary American citiz for not being ‘obedient’. The crooks (Clinton’s, Holder, Obamas, McCain, Comey, et als WALK FREE from open, deliberate crimes); yet J6 ‘supposedly criminals’ were arrested just yesterday……2Y after the fact, more arrests were made yesterday and those jailed have no representation, speedy trails and YET I HEAR NOBODY speaking up or out in their favor.
Face it, Az, Nv, Mich, Pa, Wisc, Ga are blue states based on last 2 elections. 2024 will be a repeat of what we saw in 2020 and 2022. HOW can it be turned around? I don’t see any top of the ticket republican winning ever again. 2022 and lost senate again and have small majority in house when I FULLY EXPECTED a rout and major majorities in Congress.
If you are far left, dem, fascist/communist-leaning, radical leftist and support dems, you can avoid any crime/action possible. IF you are conservative, most likely to be arrested for most anything or everything and you will rot in jail.
And we have 18 or more republicans on capitol hill and more on any given day that will not fight and will be complicit and cross the aisle as needed to give Pelosi, Schumer, Biden any and everthing wanted. Biden has MORE success than Trump did and whatever republican numbers are needed, those are the numbers readily available for support.
That Z comes to this country and addresses congress and dubbed as Winston Churchill and EVERY member of congress, save 4-5, stand, roar and cheer has shown me we will never return to any level of normalcy or win ever again.
There are a few republicans that try to make a diff, but leadership (mcconnell, mccarthy, mcdaniel) ain’t budging. mccarthy had his ukraine lapel pin on and was a clapping seal.
dems fight, scratch, lie, steal, deceive and likely kill if needed. Whatever it takes to destroy our society, norms, culture. And the republican party gripes, complains, talks tough and runs to Fox, Hannity, Levin and INgraham and really are mad and really are disgusted and are led around by dems by their nose rings.
Anyone watch Tucker the past 3 nights. He’s perfectly laid it out. He showed how we have been led down a path of destruction since bho days and the past 2Y we are on the fast track. Every coming back? I don’t think so. There’s NO FIGHT or nobody TO FIGHT against the establishment, the govt. And IF you did, you would be promptly jailed and there would be NO interaction or help from anyone….period.
We’ve listened/watched Fox and listened to the Hannity’s, Ingraham’s, Levin’s and even Rush when living, THINKING we would or could win and we’ve lost ground all the time, but in our minds, we couldn’t accept we were only fooling ourselves.
And Trump’s personal TR’s were released. NEVER has any POTUS had their TR’s released? And WHO spoke out or against? Other than citizens? NOBODY. Think any pols worried about their TR’s being released? Nope, cause they ain’t complaining. Complain and you’ll see their TR’s ‘released’. Recall Harry Reid saying Romney pd no taxes, which was a lie, but how did he know? This is one crooked govt, top to bottom and like any other corrupt govt, never going to change. Gets worse, but never better or never changes. Biden and Co have ANOTHER 2Y…what will America look like in 2Y??
The entire govt (in its entirety) has shown the Trump family (children as well) WHAT will occur if you dare run or challenge dems. Maxine Waters told the world several yrs back. bho has pulled together a database…..(what exactly do you think it on that database and likely aided by Holder? Phone records, cell calls, texts, emails…likely ALL and more). He can DESTROY anyone and probably has, including all pols, SCOTUS, judges, et als.
Some one here suggested the flag be inverted for protest and we said not yet, the red wave will fix things. It is time to show our disdain for the uniparty and to be labeled as insurrectionists. They can’t blame all of us! Fly old glory upside down like the state of the union.
Interesting how these supposed “patriots” decided to give the finger to the people who put them in power on their way out the door.
Before that was all that time waiting for the GOP to overturn Obamacare like they “promised”.
Unless there are two, Brian Fitzpatrick is from PA
Mitch Peking McConnell is treachery incarnate. Has there ever been a more duplictous blackhearted villain in the Republican Party? This devious turkey has the appearance of an accountant and the soul of a viper. He speaks in a monotone drone with marbles in his mouth in such a way that it induces a coma. He is the banality of Evil realized. He undermined Trump at every turn he could. He deceives and destroys.
Has Peking Mitch ever found a spending bill he couldn’t support? He spends our money as if no one actually has to pay these insurmountable debts. Of course, the intent is to drive the Nation into utter nakruptcy and financial ruin. He and his merry band of RINO blackguards are intent on destroying our country so billions of illegal aliens can rampage through our streets, raping and pillaging.
Peking McConnell takes his orders from Chairman Xi through his handler, Elaine “Fang-Fang” Chao. He is bought and paid for by the CCP. A man who was discovered on the garbage heap and enriched through dirty Chinese Yen.
Ole crow Mitch delivers a death blow to America on the way out the door – insurmountable debt and funding the the radical DemoNazi Party which greases every Leftist shibboleth conceived by Karl Marx & co.
Mitch McConnell needs to be tried for treason and dispatched on his way to the Ninth Ring of Hell. Dante put treachery in the lowest circle of Hell because he thought of it as the worst of all sins… the most deliberate and calculated. Doesn’t that describe Peking McConnell perfectly? He sold out his Party, the American people, and America.
Satan has secured Mitch his place in Hell…
What stands out to me is that most of the house voted via proxy, meaning they were already home, cozy & warm! If they had been required to actually be present to vote, as should be this vote would probably have been delayed due to bad weather & might have never been passed! Seems
Mother Nature tried to lend us a helping hand but thanks to Nasty Nancy, even she was thwarted!
THIS passage of this bill is now the sole reason McCarthy should not become speaker, at whatever cost. Supposedly, he is the leader of the house, that makes him de facto one of the most powerful republicans. If he’s an effective leader, he should’ve been able to prevent this—supposedly he says he didn’t want it. So, either he’s an ineffective leader—or a liar. Either is a disqualification. Let’s elect someone that doesn’t want to run for it, like maybe Jim Jordan. The precedent has been set—remember when that piece of Shit Ryan became speaker, he said he didn’t want it and was still elected.