For those who have followed the deep weeds of republican political games and schemes, the DeSantis flights from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard had a specific familiarity to them.
The transfer of Venezuelan migrants, illegal alien border crossers, from Texas to Massachusetts via Florida taxpayers and Ron DeSantis was/is, well, something republican strategist Lee Atwater would have come up with. The protege’ to Atwater is a person more familiar to modern republican followers, Karl Rove. Yes, the migrant transfer operation held all the political benefits of something very Rovian in its construct.
Take an issue like border security, central to the majority of republicans, add an element of targeted benefit and overlay an establishment playbook carried out by shadow constructs giving plausible deniability to the central planners in the backroom, and you get this type of operation. However, there’s always a risk of taking things just too far and losing control. An investigative article in the Miami Herald today has the elements of a looming backlash that needs to be avoided by the principle.
The Miami Herald is a notoriously left-wing super narrative machine, but when it comes to using their investigative resources to target a vulnerability in their opposition, they are akin to the New York Times in the sharpness of their attack. If the story as outlined in the Miami Herald is even remotely accurate, the thirsty people behind DeSantis may have just set themselves up for a problem and created an ‘own goal‘ scenario.
Investigators are now picking up the first scent of blood in the water created by short-sighted DeSantis operators. According to the lengthy outline, a contractor with intent to carry out the DeSantis operation has been identified by the media; she is known as “Perla.” The outline of the operation now changes the national narrative, at least that’s the goal of the Herald, from Rovian political strategy into DeSantis using vulnerable migrants as political pawns.
Miami Herald – […] Ultimately, the migrants interviewed by the Herald were the butt of the joke. They thought they were going somewhere. Five days before she knocked on the door of their motel rooms, the woman, who never told them her name, had recruited the migrants to join a secret operation to transport asylum-seekers out of Texas. She had approached them outside San Antonio’s migrant resource center and said she worked for an organization that she did not name.
[…] The week before, contractors working for DeSantis, including a woman known only as “Perla,” had organized two charter flights to Martha’s Vineyard, the Massachusetts island, as part of a taxpayer-funded program to remove “unauthorized aliens” from Florida.
[…] DeSantis has said he’s recruiting migrants in Texas for the flights because it’s easier to find them traveling together at the border than spread out in his own state. Critics called it a cruel stunt — and a misuse of taxpayer money — aimed at promoting a governor expected to run for president.
[…] DeSantis’ office did not immediately respond Wednesday when asked if the state of Florida was behind the latest recruiting efforts, or whether it had arranged the planned charter flight from San Antonio to Delaware that never happened. When shown photos of various recruiters, migrants from the Martha’s Vineyard flights and the group that thought they were destined for Delaware both recognized one image, of an unidentified woman with black hair.
[…] Christina Pushaw, the DeSantis campaign’s rapid response director, would write on Twitter that news of the Delaware flight was “disinformation.” (Like the governor’s office, the DeSantis campaign did not respond to a request for comment.) After the flight was canceled, the recruiters organized a bus to take Escalona and most of the others back from La Quinta to the San Antonio migrant resource center. But some migrants were never told about the bus. They were stranded at the remote hotel roughly 10 miles from the resource center, where migrants can get aid and shelter for a maximum of three days.
[…] All of the migrants interviewed by the Herald told similar stories. They were recruited by a woman in a black vehicle driving around the migrant resource center and then taken to La Quinta to wait. Although the destination was uncertain, the plan appealed to people who had no resources after making the long journey north from Venezuela.
[…] There were conditions to staying at La Quinta as part of the program. The recruiters warned him not to give out any information or talk about what they were doing. It still would have been worth it, he said, had he gotten to a state that provided more resources to migrants. He just wanted to work, and the woman’s offer seemed to promise that opportunity. (In reality, asylum seekers are not allowed to work immediately, although they have legal status in the United States.) Deiker José’s plan vanished the moment the flight was canceled. “I want to cry because I feel hopeless. I have nothing. How do I work? How do I survive?” he said. (read more)
There is a fine line between making a political point and being viewed as exploiting the desperation of vulnerable migrants.
I have no doubt the Rovian people behind the DeSantis campaign saw an opportunity to score major national points, and when combined with the ferocity of the Pushaw eastern European mindset there was likely an echo-chambered snark-filled joy of willingness in the plan.
However, if you do not see how this has the likelihood to be viewed as tenuously ridiculing by the larger Latino community in Florida, you likely don’t recognize when a joke turns into the bloom falling from the ruse.
Overlay Florida taxpayer money being used to fund the DeSantis national political game and, well, you already see the grins in the Lawfare crowd.
Bye-Bye to 2022 and possibly the Governors Mansion
Oh please 😆
That 2nd idea of yours would not be good for our country.
I got no problem with it, or DeSantis. If we cannot accept people who are clearly on our side, what kind of movement are we?
A movement without GOPe and without backstabbers.
If he’s not smart enough to see how he’s being manipulated, is he really on our side?
Ron must be immune to slime if he’s being “handled” by Rove…….
Good point.
Here’s your problem: the same can be said about so many of DJT’s nominations, advisors, heck, Jared!
I don’t mind the attacks on DeSantis. What is nettlesome is the hypocrisy.
“manipulated”? Being made not to speak isn’t isn’t exactly the result of subliminal suggestion. He took money and now he does what he’s told.
After my awakening to the reality of our government and media completely manipulating everything I have become pessimistic to any politician to be on our side. After realizing the breadth and scale of control over almost all levels, the pantomime and Kabuki theater put out for consumption makes me lean even harder to the one person that has shown they cannot be bought, Mr Trump. There is no way I can look at today’s political landscape and tell who is really on our side. So in that sense less is better until proven otherwise. Too many have been there to help only to try and slip a noose around out heads.
I accept everyone who is on “our side.” DeSantis is not.
‘The bloom is off the ruse…’ 🙂
Great line, SD!
“Dos Equis” aka “XX” aka “de-santi-s” aka “double-crosser”
Let winning the 2022 Florida governorship be his “swan song.”
So, he’s either delusional in thinking he can win the MAGA vote or he is being manipulated big time. Either way, it’s not good for him. He should have stuck with being the Governor of Florida, something he was good at that requires less work than being POTUS.
With all due respect to our amazing host, don’t we have to be REALISTIC and have at least one eye on the long game? Sun Tzu, anyone? DeSantis would be far better than ANY of the dems we now have, though not as good as our best conservatives. We have to pick our battles and, as such, should save our limited ammo for situations where it would be most effective. IMHO, 100% MAGA should not be a litmus test. We can do smarter. Only the once-a-century Trump outsider made it through without owing anyone. Everyone else, and I mean everyone, has to get somewhat dirty just to move up the political pecking order. It’s called realpolitik.
The type of movement that doesn’t get excited about a neocon in MAGA clothing.
A shrinking movement.
There’s MAGA and there’s GOP.
Two totally different political philosophies, two different sides.
So RD is taken out this easily. Ron The Raccisss repeated infinitely by the MSM.
Why do you still believe a word of what they say in the leftist media?
Citations and direct source attribution are merited in all media. It’s not the narrative that is a problem, it’s the facts.
As the target of the other side of this argument, I have a different perspective. Facts don’t change, just because I dislike them. There is enough factual information, with citation, within the outline to give it credibility.
The Miami Herald has never published a legitimate story. They are to the left of the NYT. People in FL dont have a problem with any of this, they are tired of illegals coming over, specially with the latest economic chaos.
We had planeloads of illegals landing in Jacksonville courtesy of Biden and have illegals spread throughout Florida. I’m not comfortable with using my Florida Tax $’s to roundup illegals in Texas. This is a blatant “Star Search” to score political points.
Everything is played in the Democommunist’s home stadium and by their rules when Biden’s border crimes number in the millions, nothing to see there.
I believe sundance is pointing out Team DeSantis got scared, scrapped the next phase of this stunt, and came up with the explanation it was “punking” the media.
If that is the case, it reinforces the larger point(s) sundance is raising about this whole situation.
Why is he wasting resources and energy on punking the media. If that’s true, then he is totally unserious.
Thank you, Sundance.
I still don’t buy the explanation for coming to San Antonio to find some. Lol
Why not the Jacksonville, FL.center?
(by the way, we are not a border town, as DeSantis said. El Paso, McAllen , Brownsville, etc. are on the border. Why San Antonio?)
Exactly!
Yessss! Plus SA is nowhere near the border.
Awww, the poor illegals, the lawbreakers, were left stranded at a hotel?
for shame.
boo hoo
/sarc/
It makes one wonder how many hotels they were stranded in on their way to the US.
Left at a hotel…oh, the humanity. Just bloody go back where you came from, and there won’t be a problem. They’re all “victims” whenever it suits.
I would agree that the political point on this can’t be made more than once or twice before there are diminishing returns.
However, this needed to happen to take the political initiative and put Democrats and their pet RINOS on the defensive with regard to immigration policy.
The base loves it, and sometimes that’s enough.
We win not by making political points but by solving problems.
Since when?
Puhleez 😒
And he thought he was the cats meow , the Latina does not like being used as a floor mat.
No the ones that voted for Ron DeSantis, and President Trump
Do you have any idea how many black people vote Republican, only to have their vote stolen? Historically, Democrats have focused most of their fraud on predominately black areas.
Pull the trigger ?
When I first heard of the flights I did think about those migrants, what plans for afterwards. Yes they are illegal and have broken the law. But to fly them to a cold climate and leave them there, with approaching winter and Christmas seemed to me to be cruel. However, aren’t the churches or their fronts set up to look after them, and being well paid to do so by the Government? There is that aspect that hasn’t been discussed. Migrants are being bussed everywhere by the Biden government, so there must be structure to support them.
And it’s OK to fly them into red states and just abandon them there? Many of the red states are cold too.
Here in Greenbay lots of latins call the frozen tundra home. Enough said.
Been in the Minneapolis airport in the last 10 or 12 years?
Being flown in and dropped off in the middle of the night in a colder climate than you’re used to seems to have worked out pretty well for the Somali’s.
They are illegal aliens period. They need to be shipped back to the Country they came from. Where do you think those churches are getting money to take care of illegals? WE THE TAXPAYERS. If you are so concerned, then you take them
in and provide for all their needs.
Yes, their home countries where they belong are not cold. I agree that it is unseemly to use them as political pawns, but if they hadn’t followed the well-trodden path of illegal alien invasion they wouldn’t be. The moral solution is to send them ALL home, and bring to justice the marxists and globalists who engineered their invasion for their disparate purposes.
I do not think Latinos in the military freeze to death any more than anyone else.
The many NGOs have been relocating these illegal aliens to northern States for over 10 years. The aliens don’t mind, as they are given more benefits than the actual citizens of those States.
“Yes they are illegal and have broken the law.”
Yes. They are.
No. The burden should not fall to church, or the taxpayer.
Churches and taxpaper dollars should be spent on our citizens – not Ukrainians, Venezuelans, etc. USA no longer has the money to support ourselves – given the endless debt – much less the rest of the world, including illegal aliens.
Given the pending food shortages, we need to feed our citizens FIRST!!!!!
What migrants? Do you mean illegal aliens?
Karl Rove should have never been listened to 22 years ago, much less today. He’s like a football coach that has a great play for the first play of the game, then no playbook afterwards. Almost like he’s really playing for the other team…
Rove is way smarter in his own mind than in reality.
rowwweee is “Often wrong, but never in doubt.”
Yeah I thinks he plays for the other team just like Miss Lindsey and Timmy
Did anyone read Roves name in the article? Rove is not on our side but I don’t see anything tying him to this.
I stopped paying any attention to Karl Rove back in 2012 when he pinky swore on his white board every night on Hannity that Mitt Romney was going to win over Barack Obama. He is a grifting hack who will say anything to get a little air time to promote himself. Same goes for Dick Morris.
Someone had to run the country, W certainly couldn’t do it.
And he keeps using that same play again and again
Maybe, the Democrats orchestrated this Martha’s Vineyard situation. However, regardless of who orchestrated it, there should be more of it. However, first identify every small town that has been hammered by the Biden illegal alien flights. There have to be hundreds of flights and dozens upon dozens of red state towns involved. Then put the information on the internet and indicate that social justice requires more flights to blue towns and cities. Don’t get cold feet because some leftwing newspaper tries to intimidate or create a false narrative. Frankly, don’t be reactive as that is a losing position when dealing with the left. Go on the offensive.
The only people who care about these ILLEGALS are the D RATS who right now are pushing for them to be allowed to vote. To me this article by the Miami Herald was put out to put a halt to what DeSantis did and I hope he doesn’t but I am afraid the Herald was successful.
Who cares?
They are illegals and MV is a sanctuary city.
The Left is trying to create a straw man.
Except he wouldn’t have done it.
Well, unless he were returning them to Mexico. Otherwise, I agree.
Exactly. First of all, they weren’t being let in when he was President, and if any got in, he wasn’t shuttling them around the country. He was trying to keep them from moving throughout the country where they just melt into the population.
He wasn’t letting them in in these kinds of numbers in the first place. No need to shuttle them all around.
Excellent point
That is just not true. Kushner was not in favor of unlimited illegals entering into the country.
PDJT did the best he could while the GOPe, who are now advising and funding DeSantis blocked the wall from being built.
That’s how you know what DeSantis did was just a publicity stunt – his funders are not in favor of shutting down illegal immigration and actually are in favor of amnesty.
They only care about how they can use the issue to get voters worked up.
Right. Jared gave Trump a lot of bad advice. Who does he think he is anyway? Some mastermind.
I don’t like or trust mr kushner. I see him in a satanic way……..just a gut feeling of mine……not sure why I think this way, as I have prayed for guidance on it many times, but it gnaws at me, Pray and keep praying,,,,,,god knows and sees all.
President Donald J Trump built A WALL to keep them from getting into the USA. He also arranged “Stay In Mexico” were the “migrant dreamers” had to wait until it was their turn to see a judge. President Trump also shipped many of these “poor people just looking for a better life” back to their countries. These countries did not want them back but he threatened to withhold $$$ from them if they didn’t.
So, with those facts in mind, IF Trump had done what RDS did, then he would have sent them to a snobby white enclave that was in a city that had access to social services, hotels, Catholic Charities, and such. He would have partnered with the usual “pro-illegal” groups and let them know that a BUS LOAD (not a plane full) of illegals are headed their way so they could be greeted with Teddy Bears and sandwiches.
I merely pointed out to you that PDJT was tough on illegal immigration. The point was the ATTITUDE. Donald Trump is not governor of Florida but if he were, he would not be dawdling around with stunts. He would send bus loads of illegals out from Florida. He would lower the hammer on those “middle of the night” flights full of illegals. He would make it difficult for all of the Catholic Charity type human traffickers: investigate their books, make them have detailed records for everyone that they encounter, advocate for legislation tightening the nooses around their necks, and come up with a system that these “charities” shoulder a lot of the burden of the cost of bringing these people into the community. He would punish employers who hired these illegals. He would fight this injustice to American taxpayers from all directions.
Donald Trump is a DOER. He fixes problems and fights to get things done. Ron seems to be a little less motivated to do so.
And yet…HRC is yet to be locked up.
Retired Magistrate here: If DeSantis keeps this up he won’t have to concern himself about being Governor of Florida; Crist will win. Sometimes you can just be too cute for your own good.
NOOOOOO!!!! DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN! NO DEMOCRATS PLEASE! I’ll take a stupid rino over an evil democrat period!!!
Agree, DeSantis got ahead of his skis and did a face plant. He should stick to running for one office at a time.
Crist will never win LEGITIMATELY but the chances he wins is very high .
FL is close to 50/50, or is that TX?
neither….last polling numbers show both Gov races as +4 R at least
WOW….Thank You for stating these comments. My feelings, too. DeSantis has said nothing but putting out a tweet about the raid on MAL. What a way to stand for the man, President Trump, who endorsed him. DeSantis wouldn’t be Governor, if not
for Trump’s endorsement. Every Governor can do an EO and kick the FBI out of their State. Certain Law Enforcement has authority over the FBI in each State. Nobody, stood up and took any action for President Trump. The Governor must know about search warrants in their States. Did DeSantis know about the search warrant on MAL?
If he didn’t, he sure isn’t in the loop.
Hogwash
My thoughts too. He’s gotten ahead of himself. Getting too big for his britches. He’s forgetting the “First Things First” principle.
Really think that, at the end of the day, this will be a net positive. The hypocrisy of the Dem’s & leftists (I repeat myself) is just too intense, and there are many more people who are applauding the move than not.
Sundance, it is also really seems like you are committed to stopping the Florida governor.
You left off part of the sentence: ….”also really seems like you are committed to stopping the Florida governor from destroying the MAGA coalition”.
Yes. Correct.
I mean no disrespect. I am only now realizing that the Treehouse is MAGA, full stop.
Yes, I am a little slow on the uptake.
In my opinion, Sundance is about truth.
Truth has no agenda.
Our goal is MAGA. President Trump was our chosen tool.
And he chose us for his MAGA agender.
hopefully you also realize the difference between republican and rino
and also supposed conservatives and MAGA.
There is a graphic that is posted periodically here with this text:
YOU CONSERVATIVE ‘PUNDITS STILL DON’T GET IT:
TRUMP ISN’T (just) OUR CANDIDATE. HE’S OUR MURDER WEAPON.
AND THE GOP IS OUR VICTIM.
..WE GOOD. NOW?
BLOGOSPHERE TALKING HEAD
“They” are after us he just stands in the way.
Why wouldn’t we be full MAGA/America First?
Why aren’t you?
Geez.
That’s all you can come up with.
Why aren’t you was the question. Seems you answered it.
Just to be clear: Making America Great Again is about destroying everyone who is not 100% aboard with the full agenda? There is no room for common goals but differing opinions on how to get there?
DeSantis can undercut DJT by running in the general election. Preemptive strikes are nice to contemplate but all the use cases need to be thoroughly examined.
Anything that detracts from the 100% goal of AMERICA First/ MAGA takes one on a different course, often a ME FIRST course, such as the course I would say RdS is on, which is divisive.
It is quite a learning curve to be able to see the strings on the marionettes;
stick with it because eventually it gets to the point where we cannot unsee the strings. And that’s all good because then we can easily see the real MAGA candidates and not the RINO’s hiding behind their MAGA masks.
The Treehouse is about facts. Truth.
The true ‘American Way’. Love of country, not money or K street donors that are from globalist corporations.
MAGA, if you will recall, is about “The forgotten men and women” of this country.
It is about “Liberty for All”.
About being able to assemble, freely…and speak one’s mind. Without fear of being targeted for ‘wrong thought or wrong speak’.
It is about “The Rule of Law”
The Bill of Rights.
It is about maintaining our Republic (“if you can keep it”).
Or Reclaiming it.
Sundance, are you against RDS governorship of FL?
What is the alternative?
I guess you’re new here or you don’t read all the posts. He addressed this point.
Recall how Mitch McConnell ended the Tea Party
And how!!! Never again!
Hypocrisy is in the eyes and ears of the beholder. The left and liberals see very different things.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/22/atwater-styled-shenanigans-surface-in-desantis-national-political-campaign/#comment-9206921
While Lee Atwater was known for his willing foray into very negative mud yucking campaign tactics, he was a piker compared to the DemoCommunists.
This almost smells of a setup, designed to ensnare DeSantis rather than elevate him.
If both Trump and DeSantis are “taken out” by 2024, then who ?
I have no idea nor any suggestions at this time..
I’m not working for or supportive of the RINO-infested GOPe.
I’m 100% Trump/MAGA.
I’m with YOU….
🙂
Count me in til the end of the train ride.
🙂
Kari Lake.
I like Kari Lake, but foreign and national economic policy would be a weakness. She’s never worked on an international level in government or business yet.
Nicki Haley
You forgot the ” \s “part .😂
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I was hoping the States would take the Federalism lead. They did it with respect to abortion and look what happened!
They need to keep pushing the envelope.
California has been using Federalism for decades, very successfully.
OTOH, I still stand by my original reaction to the Martha’s Vineyard Operation in that it was tactically brilliant way to expose NATIONALLY the blatant hypocrisy of the Leftwing elitists who have accused President Trump for 6 years of being insensitive towards and even harmful to “migrants” (illegal aliens).
DeSantis should continue to attack the Left – and the Miami Herald for their participation – in their trying to divert the national public’s attention away from their gaping hypocrisy and political vulnerability that was exposed by the MV operation as evidenced by (for all to see) the MV people’s and Massachusetts Governor’s alarmist and extreme, military-led response.
so the foolish DeSantis man falls into the pit and does not gain any wit
What if the illegals had chartered a plane in Mexico to take them Martha’s Vinyard? Landing anywhere or walking across the border without proper protocol is illegal. Desantis just took illegals that were here already and shipped them north. Since there have not been more flites it’s a political stunt.
especially since he contracted the flights to depart from TX….from what I understand they had a layover in FL to give the appearance of legality but how can state funds be used to transport illegals INTO the state then OUT of the state to comply with the wishes of RDS’s no dumping policy?……isn’t that essentially the same as a Dimm/commie where they CREATE the problem so they can they “solve” it?
Florida residents might not like it so much when they fine out that their tax $$ are being used to shuttle illegals from Texas to other states.
Why are they paying for it? I guess DeSantis is okay with his state’s taxpayers footing the bill for his gamesmanship.
Absolutely, as I mention in my comment below.
If DeSantis were serious about this, he would have gathered those up arriving at the airport in Jacksonville and put them on another plane out immediately.
Why would FL taxpayers be any more happy with this waste than any other political gimmick, especially when there are illegals in the state that are being ignored?
i’m a florida resident, and I don’t mind one little bit
were I still in FL I would prefer RDS use state funds to fly illegals the feds had ALREADY dumped in the state to MA then to grab some from TX…..Abbott has been shipping them by bus out of state for MONTHS…..why in the world did RDS choose for his first foray into the illegal transfer to move some in ANOTHER state first?
It’s like he wanted to upstage Abbott too.
So, this doesn’t boil down to the principle in play – the hypocrisy of sanctuaries – but the dollars being spent.
Got it.
But why not the illegals that have invaded Florida, then?
Do you want Florida to be flooded with Illegal Aliens like Texas. I don’t. The Communist Regime, unless, stopped, will just keep bringing them in the US. They are the new voters.
Yea. Those darn Cubans who vote Republican!
They put it into the State budget.
Florida spending money to move illegals out of Texas – great stewardship.
Sure don’t want you on my team.
Pretty sure we’re already on different teams.
To remove illegals from Fl, not from Texas.
All US taxpayers are paying for the Biden reign to do that already.
Fine by me (a FL resident)! Greater assurance that they don’t route through FL at all!
Illegals were not in his State, on Florida soil, as he took the Florida taxpayers’ money to go to Texas to get them! Last I checked ( just a second, carry the 1) that is called…trafficking.
That is why he isl egally vulnerable having done the stunt.
Don’t believe for a minute that Gov. Abbott of Texas wasn’t in on this.
Abbott is not part of this. He is much too savvy.
Human trafficking is the trade of humans for the purpose of forced labour, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others
If these are truly “undocumented” immigrants, then chances are, they would never be let on a plane in Mexico without a passport and visa.
Also MV airport is domestic, not international, they don’t accept flights from outside the country because there’s no international terminal to process them into the country.
I know, it’s jacked up. @#$%, I can’t even get my wife a visa, and she owns property where we live, has kids, money, assets, works for the government as a Sr. nurse, had a return flight booked, doesn’t even want to move to the US and the DoS ( embassy ) won’t let her even have a tourist visa for a couple weeks, for whatever reason.
She said the guy she interviewed with at the embassy didn’t even look at her paperwork. This was what prompted me to relocate overseas sometime back.
Yet, someone with no papers, no assets, no money, no job can walk across the Rio Grande and get treated like gold and stay in the US for as long as they choose, all on the taxpayer dime.
Uhm. I think you are missing some very important facts:
1) Biden has been flying illegal aliens all over the country as Obama did. They direct the DHS to direct the TSA to let them through
2) DeSantis hired charter flights, not commercial air travel
Without constant comparison of the major crimes of Biden regarding the border versus the relatively minor DeSantis shenanigans we will never win.
The power of the press is only applied against Republicans it seems.
The power of the press is only applied against Republicans.
FIFY.
The never-Trumpers are thrilled that it appears DeSantis is going to run in 2024 by his “bold” adoption of PDJT’s positions.
None of these things is not PDJT’s long held position.
Well according to Ben Shapiro He is polling more favorable than DJT in Florida now. Hmmmm. Wonder if thats the reason DeSantis did nothing about the Dominion machines in Florida?
After the Michelle Fields and Ben Shapiro stunt during 2016, why would anybody believe anything Ben Shapiro said about or against Trump.
Ben Shapiro is GOPe and has no problem lying.
Wish I. could remember who posted the recent poll that said DJT was favored by 71%. RDS was way under 10; I think he was 4%.
That was the CPAC poll.
Thank you Phillip for that verification!
Or ERIC.. maybe you just have to have the party key to open the Dominion vault of votes.
What are some issues that DeSantis has his own unique positions on?
GOPe-controlled candidates are not permitted to have unique positions.
CRT and grooming in schools. Jared would never in a million years let Trump do anything on those issues.
That issue was a huge winner for him. Not sure why he has moved out of that lane. Being against the public school indoctrination is a perfect issue for getting reelected governor.
Wonder shy he moved on to all of these national ones?
And Jared was not running the show. That is a never-Trump talking point.
If I recall correctly, DeSantis’ strong statements against grooming preceded his “debutante debut” by the GOPe after the PDJT raid. So did Ron’s firing of Soros backed prosecutor (or was it an AG?).
“All the good times are past and gone, all the good times are o’er…”
He has to check with his owners on that.
Those poor Venezuelans being exploited by ferocious Eastern Europeans!
Ted Cruz 2.0?
That looks like a DESANTIS blowup doll.
It’s an old show horse trick. They put ginger in their armpits to make them carry their
tailsarms that way.why do these men look like their suits are too small
I hope he looks like that because he has a bullet-proof vest on.
bingo!
This is what I was trying to say last week. Being across the bay, I just smelled a big rat and it’s babies , over the MV hoopla.
So. I guess, I need to get over being “flagged”, by a hit and run poster. Last Friday.
I told myself I was done here, at CTH. Going back to lurker status.
But, this type of coverage, you provide. I feel humbled to admit, well let my favorite band, express:
Don’t let insults or flags bother you.
Stay true to yourself and stick with us.
We need varying opinions.
Glad you posted.
Lolli,
Thank you. You are always so kind.
I am messy and passionate, at times.
Hey, I get it. I see red, and steam comes out of my ears. (Scotch-Irish, clanGregor)
Thats when you will not see me post. 😂 (A lot of lurking lately. Haha)
There is so much garbage going on in my family, my church, my community, my state, country and world.
I could just scream that the architects, are just so cunning.
Not winning but stealth.
The war has been won, the battle must be fought.
The garbage is everywhere as you say. Hard to watch.
Regarding flags. I think a moderator said a comment has to be flagge around 5 times for them to consider it serious. The flag is right by the edit button and gets mistakenly hit by people.
Scotch-Irish here too. My late mother, (nee Elliott) said “The Elliotts were a border clan.”
Passion is good.
Ditto as Lolli. When I was new to CTH I didn’t know how it worked or what the flag was for. I flagged someone by mistake, I think and even did it accidentally to myself!. Post your views. Some here respond far too easily with snarks and insults. That’s on them and reflects them. Make like Teflon. There may be more lurkers out there that agree with you.
Ma Kettle, the red flag I may be at fault. Reading using a tablet, scrolling through sometimes the pen or fingers are to slow and the red flag shows up.
Especially, since I usually read through the comments. Like to learn new things.
Same problem here. I use a tablet and can’t even scroll through the comments without leaving a trail of red flags.
I go back and remove it from each one, just hoping it’s not staying there permanently.
I apologize to everyone, because I don’t ever intend to flag ANYONE regardless of what they’ve said.
I don’t care. As Sundance has said many times you either believe in your message or you don’t. Quite playing their game by their rules. FFS. So irritating how weak conservatives are….
Take a look around, the only people still standing after the leftists attack are the ones who believe in their message and don’t care what the Leftist media has to say. They refused to take a knee, the best thing DeSanris can do is send more. Send a whole lot more.
But from his own state.
Saying Rove’s name six times throughout this article is a vain attempt to smear Gov DeSantis as his ally and the kind of made up guilt by imaginary association we see from leftist rags, like the Miami Herald, also employed in this fruitless jihad, against the most effective republican governor in the country.
He probably shouldn’t have gotten in bed with him, then.
He didn’t. Rove doesn’t support DeSantis.
What? Rove has NOTHING to do with this. Read more carefully and you’ll find Sundance is INSINUATING every part of that fantasy solely to push a narrative that somehow Gov DeSantis is a bad person owned by “them’
Rove = GOPe = Never-Trumpers.
The association with Griffin is worse than any Rove-ian behind-the-curtain plans.
Sundance repeatedly through the years has proven he’s one of those who sees behind-the-curtain kind of guy.
I also don’t like that DeSantis has associated himself with someone recently involved in corrupt Ukraine politics.
What’s wrong with hiring an American.
It’s part of the rules here to be specific and type out names so it’s understood who is being spoken about. It’s obvious that Governor DeSantis is not MAGA. If, to you, that is a vain attempt to smear Governor DeSantis, you have smearing and light shedding exposure confused.
Best to give the border jumpers a ticket to fly back, with a note saying, ‘America is about to go to war, do you really want to be here’, and if there is no war, be ready to be forced to go back to your home country.
As always, Border Jumpers, there is a legal way to come to America, ask the millions that have done just that, came here legally.
These pictures of the border jumpers are not ones of poverty nor starvation or signs of physical abuse by the country they left behind. I personally am fed-up seeing this free loaders show up at Americas front door and breaking in!
My concern is who is # 3 when we & the left take out De Santis.Donald is in my age group,late seventies.average age for white males to die is 78.i’m in great shape & i think Trump is also.Seen too many at my age get sick, 1 year later gone.Again who is # 3.
My problem with DeSantis is his lack of MAGA creds.
He doesn’t believe the 2020 election was stolen. He certainly won’t say it!
He needs to back off his obvious maneuvering to be the 2024 nominee.
It’s unbecoming, and off-putting to Trump supporters, who he will need down the road since he obviously has national ambitions.
DeSantis is trying to increase small contributors. I got 4 emails from him in 2 days and unsubscribed. How did I get subscribed? No idea.
DeSantis is America’s Governor, and he will win in a landslide.
Let him run & Trump proclaim what a great governor he is but still not maga enough for the national stage. Trump,i think i could work with a great governor & maybe support him in the future.Think Sundance is in Florida & may know more then his followers.
It seems he’s been a good governor for Florida. I hope he does win re-election.
He’s running for governor?
Who knew.
Good.
Sending 20 illegals from Florida to Martha’s Vineyard.
Stupid.
Sending 20 illegals from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard using Florida taxpayer’s money. 🙄
Architect my ass. Anything that clown builds is destined to collapse. The stunt raised eyebrows but was never the way to end the crisis. Build that big beautiful wall. Stay in Mexico. Deportations. Massive deportation.
That’s a good point that should be brought up more. Finishing the wall.
What’s the end point of this? To just fly illegal aliens around the country on the taxpayers dime while those same taxpayers can’t afford to drive much other than for work and groceries?
Or is there some plan at the end of this? Given the lack of follow-up after this flight to MV, it looks more like a stunt and less like a plan to fix it permanently.
Where was this fight 2 years ago?
“DeSantis has said he’s recruiting migrants in Texas for the flights because it’s easier to find them traveling together at the border than spread out in his own state.”
Until I see otherwise, I will take this as fact, and I take back and apologize for my prior comments applauding DeSantis for this.
If I were a taxpayer in Florida, I would be extremely PI$$ED OFF at this. Until reading this, I understood these illegal aliens were being gathered in Florida since POTATUS has sent 70 midnight flights of them to Jacksonville alone. I would have no problem with my taxes being used to remove them from my state.
That they were gathered in one state and flown anywhere so the governor of another state can get headlines is blatant fraud on their citizens. Not only are they paying for this fraud, but they are also paying for the illegals still in their state that DeSantis is ignoring.
This is how he ends up in hot water. It really was just a stunt to get DeSantis national headlines at the Florida taxpayers expense.
San Antonio is not on the border.
El Paso is. Brownsville is. McAllen is. He didn’t go to any border.
They were at the center in San Antonio.
Why didn’t he just go to the center in Jacksonville Florida to find 20 ?
What a bunch of bs.
Wasted a lot of money. I can’t believe he couldn’t find any inFlorida.
Border officials secretly sent 70 planes of migrants to Florida: DeSantis office
https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/desantis-office-claims-border-officials-secretly-sent-70-planes-of-migrants-to-florida/
DeSantis has said he’s recruiting migrants in Texas for the flights because it’s easier to find them traveling together at the border than spread out in his own state.”
So his reason is he couldn’t find any illegals in Florida?? 😖
Wait so now we are bashing Desantis because the illegal immigrants had to stay in a hotel a little longer, and we are calling it ” exploiting the desperation of desperate migrants”, not the left us, all because we believe that in presidential primary race 2 years from now Desantis might run against Trump.
Read the article. DeSantis operatives lured the migrants to the hotel, promised to fly them to Delaware, then abandoned the plan when the legality of using Florida taxpayer funds surfaced in the scheme.
The migrants were used as pawns by DeSantis, then abandoned.
And yeah, now he is facing the legal consequences.
Exactly. That’s why Bexar Co Sheriff got involved.
Do you want Christ to win, or what ?
Christ won over death,
Could be human trafficking.
And Charlie Crist is doing cartwheels.
Lured? Puuuhlease
It brought the most attention in the last two years to one of the biggest problems facing America and pointed out the hypocrisy of the left, are we mad that happened or are we just mad that Desantis is getting credit for it.
Words like lured, exploited migrants and abandoned, honestly this comes right out of the lib playbook when they were talking about Trump and the border.
There is not a single person I know in the United States that is not aware of the illegal immigration issue on the Southern Border or the hypocrisy of the Left when it comes to dealing with such issues.
He did nothing more than bring attention to something everyone already knew about.
he manipulated the situation to garner headlines for circumstances he has been railing about for over 6 months but had done NOTHING to that point….he may have broken state law by misuse of state funds the way he did the transfer as well
You say this is Rovian but Rove would never approve of shedding light on our immigration problem. He and his ilk love illegals – keeps COGS and OpEx low at large corporations such as Koch Industries.
Sundance, you’re brilliant and we surely do appreciate your insightful analyses. That said, “cold anger” does not apply yet to DeSantis. You’re gun jumping. I wholeheartedly believe to keep our leaders honest (including President Trump and Governor DeSantis) but let’s not eat our own this much this early.
I will never vote for any candidate endorsed/supported by Karl Rove, any of the Bush Boys, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, The Club for Growth, unions or establishment RINOs. Never!
at BEST you can give a modicum of credit to Rove “the architect” for W’s 2000 win but even that is questionable……since then he has been nothing but a loser
Only the SCOTUS gets credit for Bush 43’s win in 2000. Bush didn’t motivate enough voters to get a good margin over Gore.
Meanwhile, on Martha’s Vineyard, the scene unfolds:
Lyin’ and Vain
(TTTO: Fire and Rain) – a parody song for Martha’s Vineyard hypocrites – by MrE
Woke up this morning, with a mob on my lawn
Suntanned, from taco* land, and singing taco* songs
So I turned on the sprinklers ‘cuz I want them all gone
There must be another place we can send them to
I’ve been lyin’ and I’ve been vain
I got phony ways – I’m a fraud who just pretends
Like the virtue sign that claims I’ll be a friend
I just called up the guard to deport you again
Won’t you look down upon me, Jesus (Hay-soos)
You’ve got to help me cleanse the (is)land
There’s tents on the beach and they’re here to stay
Can’t let just anyone play on our sand
Down at the Yacht Club – what would they say
I’ve been lyin’ and I’ve been vain
I got phony ways – I’m a fraud who just pretends
Like the virtue sign that claims I’ll be a friend
I just called up the guard to deport you again
* (Jill “Breakfast Taco” Biden)
The tx. gov (and fed govt/)
has been bussing people from the border into the U.S. interior for months – and the media did not hype it.
But rd does something similar, to some vineyard, and the media raises a stink for a week?
( did someone prime the media before hand, to preplanned, raise the stink for a week … (untold because rd was previously making inroads with the gop-e, whom would rather have a longer term gop-e club member get the gop-e nod (while helping to undercut gop dt, rd etc.)? )
The games people play….
It sounds like a song – with a message for all of us
(avoid the wooden nickel offers)
[ not going to spend the rest of my life, being played…. ]
Exactly right.
it’s not that i dislike deSantis, i dislike that he’s selling out.
that makes me ultimately doubt his benefit to main street america. the chips will fall where they fall… my hands do not drop them.
vote (or not) accordingly
RD said he took volunteers. Gave them brochures with all the stuff available in sanctuary cities and they gladly accepted.
Miami is overrun by illegals almost as bad as some border towns. All the illegal Cubans make their way here, along with Venezuelans and others. Same goes for Orlando, Fl and Tampa.
If it was a stunt….good. it exposed the hypocrisy. There is more being said about the hypocrites in Martha’s Vinyard than there is about the “poor migrants”.
Imo…screw them. They broke the law. Many of them paid THIUSANDS OF DOLLARS to be smuggled into the country and endured MUCH MORE HARDSHIP on their trek to the US than they will ever face in any city in this country.
Except when it backfires because he used Florida resources to move illegals in another state around for publicity.
Exactly. It’s my biggest question. Why did he come to San Antonio?
I am sure Florida has a few illegals.
Well then….I wondered why Jared Kushner came out with remarks somewhat condemning the Martha’s Vineyard transfer stating that these migrants are after all human beings and shouldn’t be used as pawns….
Hmmmm…..you think that statement was pre approved by Trump?????
Yes
DeSantis was using them as pawns. Trump did not use people as pawns.
“However, if you do not see how this has the likelihood to be viewed as tenuously ridiculing by the larger Latino community in Florida, you likely don’t recognize when a joke turns into the bloom falling from the ruse.”
I must have lost my vision sometime during the night.
He getting caught with his hands in the taco jar.
Ugh. as bad as the gossip from the Daily Mail…… “could have”, “may have”, “very Rovian”, “smacks of”, “reminds me of”………. you all know nothing…. you are just smearing the guy with suppositions for executing a genius plan to shove immigration hypocrisy in the Democrat Party’s face and give them a black eye, because it wasn’t Trump who did it..
Sundance – howie Carr was the brains behind Martha’s Vineyard. Howie is one of the most however American pies in the country and he tells the story as a night out a year ago with Desantis and Desantis mentioned first he wanted to bus illegals to some places to draw attention to the crisis. Howie pipped up and declared if you really want to rouse the media and the left….send them to Martha’s Vineyard. He talked about this on his radio show the day after Desantis did it, you can find in any podcast app, likely sept 7 or 8th if the 6th was the day Desantis plane landed. Thinking not Rove ….although I follow you on Desantis being a stooge for GOPe, time will tell.
Honest, not however
I’ve liked Howie for years but he recently supported the RINO candidate in the blueMA primary rather than the solid PDJT-endorsed candidate, with which I did not agree (and neither did many on the ground here).
This post of yours is very interesting to me. Howie relocated to Florida sometime in the past couple of years…
If Howie is now buddies with DeSantis, that could explain why he embraced the Plastic Fantastic RINO Chris Doughty instead of Geoff Diehl.
And absolutely, the Vineyard as the location for the stunt is exactly like Howie’s style.
Am I misunderstanding this?
That photo of the woman, Perla, is an image of a man. That is not a woman.
I have little sympathy for the illegal immigrants because they came here knowing that they were breaking our laws by doing so. You have no right to expect the best treatment when you enter our country as a criminal.
Then there’s the narrative that DeSantis was “cruel” for sending the illegals to Martha’s Vineyard. It was only “cruel” because the Martha’s Vineyard residents had them driven out by the National Guard in less than 48 hours. Imagine how this would have looked for DeSantis if Martha’s Vineyard had graciously welcomed the illegal immigrants like the sanctuary community they claim they are.
Lee Atwater really was a vicious S.O.B.
I liked him.
There is only ONE person who doesn’t pull “stunts” for attention, who is the real deal. President Trump.
He tried to solve problems.
^^^This^^^ President Trump simply had to stick with the facts and tell the truth, not one stunt had to be used whether during his campaigns or during his time in the White House, and even now, afterward, PDJT is still sticking to the plain facts – a complete 180 from what politicians do. He simply keeps it real.
How hang on a minute. During the 2016 campaign, he pulled a REALLY good one. He had the media assembled for hours surrounded by Trump wine and everything else getting free advertisements waiting for his announcement about Obama’s birth certificate.
How quickly people forget. That was a brilliant stunt.
today’s American are Really something is wrong.Because
most American has NO back bone to stand for only country and save The America,
OR, maybe they had already achieved their objective which is to ram though an amnesty program, which has always been next on their list.
IN case you haven’t heard, that is what a lot of the DIMs are saying in their ads.
“I’m for border security, but we need to fix our broken immigration system.” Blah, blah, blah.
NOPE! We just need to follow the LAWS and not let any of them in in the 1st place. The reason we have immigration laws is to NOT be overwhelmed. Amewricans are SICK & TIRED of being overwhelmed at the border and everywhere else across the country.
Dimm/commies have been FOR border security since Simpson-Mazzoli….just ask them…..oops they forgot the part about border security after they got their amnesty
These are not asylum seekers they are illegal aliens who came here illegally and I’m sick and tired of all these so-called refugee agencies who are making billions of dollars feeding on this trough.
Just like the media (which didn’t create PRESIDENT TRUMP.) The media can’t destroy him.
BUT, What Carl Rove creates, Carl Rove can control or destroy at a time convenient to Carl Rove.
So TRUE!