The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled in favor of the U.S. Dept of Justice, National Security Division, and blocked the lower court order instructing the Special Master to review the DOJ claimed, “classified documents.” [pdf Ruling Here]
Essentially the order of the appellate court is based on the DOJ calling the material “classified” and “vital to national security”, and the court’s determination they have no authority to question the decision of the executive branch when it comes to matters of national security.
The court (judicial branch) openly states they defer to the DOJ (executive branch) as to any/all claims of harm to national security that may be caused by a review of documents the DOJ-NSD determine, on their own authority, to be identified as classified (sensitive, secret or top-secret).
Therefore, if the DOJ states sharing the “classified documents” with a special master may harm national security, the court must accept that position without challenge.
The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals is doing what the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) does with the DOJ-NSD and any matters defined by the originating Main Justice officials as “national security.” The 11th Circuit is deferring to the DOJ.
The DOJ is granted legal benefit of the doubt on all matters of national security, which puts the DOJ-NSD in ultimate control over the star chamber they operate.
In the post 9-11 surveillance state, this approach by the DOJ-NSD is a pillar holding the Fourth Branch of Government in place, as we have outlined. The other pillars are (2) the Dept of Homeland Security, (3) the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and (4) the secret FISA Court system.
All four pillars maintain an omnipotent fourth branch of government that operates entirely without oversight. As you can see in the 11th Circuit Court ruling, there is no check or balance in the post 9-11 national security state.
The only way to deconstruct this post-constitutional construct is to deconstruct the four pillars.
Eliminate the Dept of Homeland Security.
Eliminate the Office of the Director of National Intelligence
Eliminate the DOJ National Security Division
Eliminate the FISA Court.
Take down the pillars that hold up the fourth branch of government and the Omnipotent surveillance state is removed.
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PS. People made fun of my prior suggestion for how President Trump could have declassified those documents. Perhaps now the ‘smart set’ people will see why my method, while unorthodox, was the best way.
~Reminder Here ~
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Wall Street Silver
@WallStreetSilv
Putin talking about nukes and saying “I’m not bluffing”
(Video linked in tweet)…
Oh sorry…posted in wrong thread. I wondered where it went. Mean culpa.
So if we post on the wrong thread and apologize, but our post stays up, then we have accomplished what we apparently set out to do….AD min, where are YOU? If the posting rules can be diverted because of an apology, what does that say about the rules?
Karen, is this ‘you’?
LOL
Get over yourself. Don’t you have more important things to worry about?
Babs get a grip,
After I refresh the page, I am unable to edit or remove my posts. Are you able to remove your posts after you have refreshed or reloaded the page? Please test that with your comment above as I may have been doing it wrong all of this time.
Personally, it’s good to see an apology for what I see as a minor transgression.
Yes, with a prompt and genuine apology. Fine with me.
“accord substantial weight to an agency’s affidavit”
Ironically, it’s the “agency’s affidavit” that is a big part of the problem.
so the court will “defer” to an Executive Agency
but not to the Chief Executive of ALL the “Executive Agencies”
funny, that
Apparently, during the illegal Mar-a-Lago raid, the doj and the f**packed up things that they had not anticipated would be at Mar-a-Lago and certainly didn’t want the public to know about.
As the post-raid events unfold, it appears what they did was open the lid to the deep state’s own “Pandora’s Box.” It may not be related to the “classified” documents at all.
Thus the mad, scramble to stop the review process by the special master and the “Lady Justice” Judge in Florida.
The doj and f** may ask for “a do-over” and to return all of the things they took back to President Trump.
The ol’ “let’s just forget the whole thing.” We don’t need any review of the items because they have all been returned to President Trump.
Was the whole thing just bad luck for the doj and the f** or a trap set by the most excellent “rope-a-doper” President Trump?
Perhaps just another prime example of the President Trump’s Boomerang effect on his attackers.
“Let’s go Brandon!”
What makes you think your theory is correct?
What makes you think it’s wrong?
Theory=freedom of speech, as are all questions. Answers not required.
I simply wanted to know what gave him that impression.
Well, it could be the fact that they are trying their darn seat to make sure no one sees what they took.
Did you read the ruling?
(1) Trump failed to allege the Richey factor test prong 1 – callous disregard for his rights.
(2) Trump failed to produce his standing declassification order.
(3) Lastly, Trump failed to allege the pretext, connection, and cover up of the illegal Crossfire Hurricane operation into the court record.
On three bases alone it seems reasonable to conclude Trump is playing checkers.
that’s pretty damning
to my feeble mind, at least
Yeah a general warrant is not a callous disregard for rights.
Yes. I can’t think of a good reason not to have done 2 and 3.
All Trump had to do was declare the documents as unclassified and have a witness – Patel witnessed
To tell you the truth DOJ made it worst because everyone is talking about Biden Admin. Continues To Conceal Declassified Crossfire Hurricane Records now.
I agree, and posted more or less the same thing a little after your comment… total Own Goal by everybody involved on the Government side, IMO.
Team Trump strategy should be to keep this thing in The Courts for as long as possible.
02.15.2022
Biden Admin. Continues To Conceal Declassified Crossfire Hurricane RecordsGrassley, Johnson push for transparency more than a year after President Trump ordered disclosure of DOJ activityWASHINGTON – More than a year after then-President Trump directed details of the government’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation to be declassified, the Justice Department continues to hide those important records. Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Ranking Member Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) today are calling on the department to promptly comply with the declassification directive.
“We remain concerned that over one year from the date then-President Trump directed the Justice Department to declassify certain Crossfire Hurricane records the Justice Department has not only failed to declassify a single page, the Department has failed to identify for Congress records that it knows with certainty to be covered by the declassification directive.,” the senators wrote in a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland.
I’m pretty sure that is the agreement both parties made together.
This is the ultimate political Roadrunner vs Wylie E Coyote show.
The only losers are the chaft that both sides want gone and the audience that’s convinced it’s real.
I hope Judicial Watch is submitting FOIA requests for these declassified documents. 🙂
With regard to your “PS” comment, Sundance….by all means, tell that to Barack Hussein Obama. Please!!
Just leak the damn things. Shoe on other foot we’d be reading the book about it.
Leak it all, then blame it on the FBI.
After the DOJ/FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, thought it would be a good time for a leak.
Where are those documents? Apparently somewhere in the DOJ system. 🙄
So yes, blame the DOJ/FBI.
When asked if PTrump would show the videos of the raid:
President Trump said he didn’t want to target the fbi people who would be in the video. He thinks he could be blamed for what happens to any who are targeted./harmed. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Blur the FBI faces and release.
Stop talking Mr. President and start doing.
Leak it now and Trump will not be in any authorizes position to protect and defend himself. It should not be redacted as well. Leak it after the midterms or even better when he is Pres in 2024. The time must be right with plenty of momentum behind us. His biggest concern now is to hang on and make it to 2024. We all know it is bs but the deep state runs deep and anything is possible. It becomes clearer each day that they want to entice the American public into doing something stupid when they eventually lock up Trump through deep state appointments. They know what America’s reaction will be and they know it is all false accusations. Trump needs all the help he can get right now but through clever tactics and honest friends. They must disqualify Trump close to midterms or then before 2024. Most Democrats wants to be in power forever and it is clearly showing through their actions. (add on edit) and they only need a little more time to accomplish that.
But why the rope-a-dope? Why didn’t Trump’s attorneys put an ellegation into the court record that he declassified XYZ doc? He didn’t even allege it, much less show he actually declassfied it? (I’m not doubting that Trump did in fact declassify XYZ doc). I just don’t understand why he didn’t present that defense?
Whom could it be leaked to that would actually publish it?
Good question. Start with: CTH, InfoWars, Diana West, Canadian Free Press, WikiLeaks, Sharyl Atkisson, Lara Logan, Maria Bartiromo, RT, and that Aussie news outfit not afraid to call out Biden.
See who actually goes public with the verifiable documentation.
I don’t blame any of them for not wanting to handle this hot potato.
Really need a Daniel Ellsberg type within the DOJ/4th Branch that will release the information knowing full well they will go to jail. Seth Rich may have been that person.
So, Trump is screwed then. He surrounds himself with bad advisors and all too often takes their advice, including bad legal advice. There is a reason The Republican Party is called The Stupid Party.
Sundance for President?
Yes, Trump is screwed. People don’t like it or choose to refute it but the total abuse of power by Biden to destroy Trump is happening
The only thing Biden can destroy is a bowl of Tapioca with Peach Slices.
And the DOJ/FBI are fighting a multi-front war at this point… Trump, Congress in January, and a minor Mutiny.
Biden can also destroy his adult diapers on a continual basis!
It is time for some extra strength Charmin again!
On a serious note— why are these agencies trying so hard to conceal what we already know?
They are corrupt and obviously the law does not — will not apply to them.
Beause that “we” you refer to is only a small minority of the population, and the majority of the population don’t seem to care.
They’ve only admitted to what they’ve allowed to be released. Keep in mind that they continue to hide most of the Page/Stzok texts, the original Flynn 302, the unredacted second Rosenstein scope memo, etc.. The USA in Missouri forced the release of more materials they didn’t want releases, specifically, how they framed Gen. Flynn.
It’s what you don’t know, and they key connective tissue they’ve redacted, that they’re concealing. (which must be pretty bad)
The public does not have full knowledge of their corruption, which they’ve been able to contain to “far right” (lol) websites and out of the mainstream media. They’d like to keep it that way.
I agree with others that conservatives are not allowed to use the justice system. It will only be weaponized against us. Trump, if he made copies, should release everything. Announce his intention to run in 2024. And state that his #1 goal is to arrest, prosecute, and hang the corrupt agents and lawyers involved.
I share your view. Except, in regard to the last paragraph, I can’t fathom the ‘getting elected’ implications of releasing the docs and vowing to prosecute the institution. I suspect that would alarm middle of the road people. I think they’d buy into the notion that he’s trying to destroy our ‘wonderful’ institutions, they wouldn’t vote for him, he’d lose the election, and DOJ would win.
It seems to me he has to get elected first…and then release/prosecute.
I agree that you have to word it in a way that doesn’t turn people off. But the campaign add could read like this:
“This is FBI Agent (insert name here). He allowed Team USA gymnasts to be raped by the team physician for a year. When confronted by investigators, he lied and falsified evidence. He was not prosecuted and was allowed to retire with a full pension. This is Deputy US Attorney (insert name here). He exposed himself sexually to another employee and forced himself of the employee. He lied about it. He was not prosecuted. This is FBI Agent Peter Strzok. He falsified search warrants to wire tap the phones of a political candidate. He was fired for lying to the FBI, but was not prosecuted. This is DOJ lawyer Eric Clinesmith. He falsified the evidence for the illegal warrant, and got a slap on the wrist. This is former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She maintained an illegal server in her house where she stored classified data. Her aides all got immunity, even after destroying evidence and smashing cell phones. Nobody was prosecuted.
Do you think if you falsified evidence, lied to investigators, or committed crimes like these that the DOJ and FBI would let YOU slide? Of course not!
Our Justice Department is corrupt. The FBI is corrupt. We must find the people responsible and reform these agencies because they turn a blind eye to their own crimes, while inventing crimes against their enemies.”
Trump is great as a MAGA President. He needs to run as the anti-corruption candidate. Only somebody the establishment hates can do this.
Because it will expose the FBI “sources and methods” as the real crimes and that it’s been that way for quite a while.
The Church Commission didn’t solve any problems; in some ways made it worse by establishing the FISC.
GW Bush exploited 9-11 to get the Patriot Act. Obama-Holder exploited the Patriot Act to get the DOJ-NSD.
I seriously doubt Trump was the only one Team Obama spied on in 2015/2016. Senator Rand Paul and Dr. Ben Carson were also against the TPP trade deal and globalism in general so start with them.
Then there is the run of the mill graft and corruption. A FISA warrant with the two hop rule can generate a lot of insider trading if attached to the right person.
But POTUS doesn;t want to release the video footage cuz the
FBI asked him NOT TO..Cuz it would endanger the FBI guys lives?
Really, so they are trying to and may yet succeed in destroying
his life , company and family, but he wants to be nice and not
get the FBI agents in trouble?
But is this the same court that was to decide if the Special Master
was even needed cuz it looks like they are gonna let that stand..
If Pres. Trump releases the videos, and some lower echelon agent is targeted, then who will be blamed for that? President Trump of course. The corrupt fbi has shown what they are capable of doing and wouldn’t stop at harming their own agents so they could blame it on PTrump. They are despicable.
I think the government has crossed the rubicon expecting to remain safe and cozy while they weaponize their police powers to target their enemies…
Possibly a white hat somewhere in the vid?
I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion.
Won’t PDJT appeal en banc?
Appeal has to go to SCOTUS now. No appeal of a stay allowed en banc by 11th Circuit as far as I know. Hopefully Clarence Thomas will stay the 11th’s ruling, allowing the Special Master to review ALL documents.
IMO, Thomas already wrote up his response days ago anticipating this.
I’m pretty sure the district judge has a right to request an en banc review of an interlocutory appeal of their ruling.
That’s exactly what happened with corrupt DC Emmet Sullivan in his illegal persecution of Michael Flynn.
Sullivan was overruled by the three judge appeal panel , but then requested an en banc review …. And then was affirmed by the full panel of corrupt DC military industrial national security complex Democratic judges
Hence his wife being forced to testify to the illegal J6 panel. I suspect that’ll be in his mind as well.
I hope you are right.
United States Court of Appeals
Eleventh Circuit
Rules_Bookmark_AUG22.pdf
Page 149/216
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11th Cir. R. 35-4 Matters Not Considered En Banc. A petition for rehearing en banc tendered with respect to any of the following orders will not be considered by the court en banc, but will be referred as a motion for reconsideration to the judge or panel that entered the order sought to be reheard:
(a) Administrative or interim orders, including but not limited to orders ruling on requests for the following relief: stay or injunction pending appeal; appointment of counsel; leave to appeal in forma pauperis; and, permission to appeal when an appeal is within the court’s discretion.
(b) Any order dismissing an appeal that is not published including, but not limited to, dismissal for failure to prosecute or because an appeal is frivolous.
https://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/courtdocs/clk/Rules_Bookmark_AUG22.pdf
Thank you. Disappointing.
thank you
Everything that was stated in the -reminder here- is true. President Trump had a chance to save the nation but did not release the evidence the American people needed to see.
President Trump still could release the documents and should. NOW!!
Let the cards fall where they may.
Trump is going to be toast now.
Trump can still make America Great Again.
Release the evidence you still have against the deepstate mr President.
MAGA has your back if you do.
If you don’t America is toast also.
The appeals process hasn’t been completed yet, so don’t rush things.
“Trump is screwed.
“Trump is toast.”
The woodwork is heaving again.
Giuliani has stated Trump purposely hasn’t released them for the good of the country. Rudy wanted them released!
Do not underestimate the violence they could visit on Trump and his family if extreme actions are taken.
This country does not survive intact to 2024
Freedom is clinically dead at this point.
If you read Institute for Justice’s cases (defending the little guy), you’d realize that freedom has been an illusion for countless years. When you are violated and have to sue to get your rights recognized, that is not freedom at all.
Yes, the Pillars of Support are the targets – http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/OSNC.pdf
Why doesn’t Judge Aileen Cannon request an “en banc” review from the 11th circuit?
Though a 3-judge panel overruled her special master appointment, she has the power to request a re-review of the ruling with all TWELVE judges.
Why not? We all know why.
Because she is probably as corrupt as Raymond Dearie and all the others.
Because we all know this system is so rotten and corrupt anyway, that only God can save us now.
The Department of Injustice took the President’s Last Will and Testament. How would any American like that?
They likely want to know who gets what so later they can go after them..
My thought exactly.
As well as kitchen items.
But no, there was no callous disregard for rights. /s
Chickenshits! SC must vacate this order immediately. There is no particular reason that a court should defer to the executive.
Win the House and Senate, Trump becomes speaker. Remove McTurtle as Senate Majority Leader, replace with Scott. Impeach FJB and Kameltoe. Trump becomes President. Deconstruct the Deepstate. Jail Deepstate morons as evidence is collected and await their trials. Free J6 political prisoners.
Curious. If that happened, could Trump run for another term in 2024? IOW, would a presidential term of less than 2years count as a full term?
Hey, I had that dream too!
Bill Mitchell
@mitchellvii
In case you missed it, appeals courts in America are CONSTANTLY getting it wrong. This Trump case goes to SCOTUS.
To make a long story short, it seems this appeals court decision on the “classified documents” gives the DOJ full power to police itself. Considering the DOJ is the MOST corrupt organization in America, that’s a bad idea.
Posted on 1:48 AM · Sep 22nd, 2022
https://gettr.com/post/p1rqb8befcb
It is terrible to see how far we (all over the western realms) have fallen during the last couple of decades. See this court television drama that was aired in the mid-80s (Rumpole of the Bailey). Rumpole, the aged defence lawyer, is examining a witness from the Special Branch, who is less than forthcoming. The prosecutor is objecting to Rumpole’s line of questions. This concerns the “security of the Realm” and cannot be discussed. Note the response by Rumpole and the Hon. Judge. (scroll to 30:30 and following).
Rumpole: Despite what my learned colleague may think, these proceedings do not take place behind the Iron Curtain. We are in England, M’lady, breathing English air, and the Special Branch is not the KGB. It is simply a widely troubled department of the “Bureau of Bill” (police department).
The US Constitution has been amended to contain only the following sentence. “The Central Government can do anything it pleases. You tax paying peons can do nothing about it. The phrase ‘tax paying peons’ includes former presidents.”
I just read Sundance’s suggestion from 2020 on how Trump should have declassified all of this information and I just wish that Trump had been taking advice from Sundance back then instead of the people that he surrounded himself with who were either really stupid or if smart did not have Trump’s interests in mind.
That is EXACTLY what Trump should have done! Had Trump done what Sundance suggested he would not be dealing with today’s nonsense but more importantly the course of his presidency would have been much different and better. He probably would be president now but he took advice from the worst possible people (Sean Hannity, Lindsey Graham, his daughter and son-in-law to name a few).
I note from Sundance’s 2020 post that the director of communications was Alyssa Farrah. Today Farrah is the “conservative” panelist on The View. Last week she said she would like to see either Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney run for president in 2024. Sadly she was typical of most of the people inside the Trump White House.
Wow. So the material is now whatever they say it is.
The Courts are nothing but full of Clowns in black robes now…Boomers
Don’t agree on this on especially since it is unprecedented, but there are plenty of precedents on the court deferring national security matters.
Another heavy blow against our Republic. The Imperial Capitol loves its star chamber – so much power concentrated into the hands of a few corrupt individuals. No wonder our elected leaders are afraid to challenge them.
Succession or leave this tyranny.
FUBAR!!!
Thank you, Sundance, and thank you for the reminder as well. After reviewing it, I remember it and thought it “clever” at the time, now I see that it may have been the only way to do it.
I sure wish you could be an advisor to President Trump.
Failing that, now what?
We have judges who do not know what the Constitution says
They know what it says and means.
They couldn’t care less.
I am disheartened that we have such bad judges. I do not believe that they are mistaken, I believe they are answering to the new power structure outlined by SD. Here’s why; as in all these actions against Trump, the claims are all predicated on the premise that Trump is / was NOT the elected President. Despite their mental pathologies, Trump, perhaps more than any President since Reagan, truly is the man chosen by the people. We The People elected him because he promised to oppose the ruling class on our behalf. No President in recent history was more clearly the choice of the people to confront the oligarchic rule of the vermin. As Lincoln once argued, I do not believe the nation can continue half-slave and half free, it will become either all the one, or all the other. The surveillance state has made clear that it will violently reduce our status to slaves. We resist at risk of all the violence it can muster against us. “Dark Brandon” in all his occult glory, is their hero.
As Nimrodman succinctly put it here, where is the logic of unnamed unelected functionaries with an obvious political motive being accorded the status of possessing all the authority of the Executive Branch, while the elected President is afforded none? The Constitution is perverted and the People are not qualified to hold an opinion here is the message of the 11th Circuit. The People are represented by the President, not the hyper partisan scumbags burrowed into agencies.
To do so will require a specific brand of insistence. Men with guns will not turn and walk away simply because they are told to.
So now what? Appealed to entire circuit? Supreme court? Trump team has to show Dearie why documents are not classified? What is next step in this legal game?
This appears to fly in face of precedent already established over presidential authority to declassify documents.
Personally, I think it’s tome for Trump to go full scorched earth. Let’s start seeing leaks.
One could venture that if this does make it to the SC and it is ruled in PDJT favor the howling for packing the unfair court will be loader than ever.
And there may well be another leak …(sarcasm)
I take no joy in saying, I told you so.
I knew the Special Master would never see those documents, just like I know we aren’t voting ourselves out of this. The Ruling Class means to destroy Trump–along with 75 million of his supporters. The sad thing is that by the time enough of these supporters finally grasps that reality, it’ll be too late.
The time to resist is not when you’re in the cattle car.
Unfortunately, I must concur.
The import of the 11th circuit’s ruling is exactly what Sundance said: “The DOJ is granted legal benefit of the doubt on all matters of national security, which puts the DOJ-NSD in ultimate control over the star chamber they operate.”
DOJ’s successful appeal over the head of the district judge (to whom they issued a deadline for compliance) illustrates their utter contempt for any obstacles placed in their way. The Star Chamber writes and produces its own script, thank you very much.
‘Attorney General’ Beria-Garland now has carte blanche to neutralize enemies of the Party and State, which now are seamlessly merged. Welcome to the DPRA – the Democratic Peoples Republic of America, ruled forevermore by the Institutional Democratic Peoples Party. Are you in compliance, comrade?
The doj’s claims of harming NatSec & the court’s ruling do not make sense in light of the fact that the appointed “special master” is a former fisa court judge.
Circular logic…
It only means the 11th circuit is another swamp creatures.
DNI head John Radcliffe saw thousands of classified documents related to RussiaGate.
“They were no more top secret or involved real sources and methods than your children’s creative writing assignment.”
So, it is by this standard the Court hereby abolishes itself to the whim of the non-existent Fourth Branch of government.
Ratcliffe’s another one who makes these broad statement without any specifics. He’s no better than the “rank and file” FIB who were sooooo enraged over Hillary’s crimes but did absolutely ZILCH about it.
He specifically pointed out the Michael Cohen in Prague story, the Danchenko lie in the Steele dossier were among the documents marked classified
“PS. People made fun of my prior suggestion for how President Trump should have declassified those documents. Perhaps now the ‘smart set’ people see why my method, while unorthodox, was the best way.”
What was Sundance’s suggestion?
Good morning.
This was right after Sundance’s PS. The “reminder here” link.
From 2020.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2020/10/11/heres-how-president-trump-can-declassify-documents-around-the-authorization-process/
Thank you.
So, why not appoint an independent Special Master who holds the appropriate security clearances?
Or does DOJ say that they alone have the authority to determine whether someone holds the appropriate clearances?
Fox watching the henhouse.
I’m beginning to believe this Trump vs DOJ /IC thing is, and always has been, nothing more than intentionally scripted agitprop theater.
A show for the masses…
Somehow, my spidey sense is that Trump did declassify the documents, but the backup docs to the declassifications are in the hands of Biden’s thugs and not Trump’s now.
At thus point, if you’re on a jury and the prosecution is relying on evidence obtained by the FBI, you have to vote not guilty.
LOL. Didn’t see that coming!
Oh by the way………Your honor, we have determined that your bank accounts are classified. Good Luck!
How about we just eliminate the bureaucratic state and send the entire Federal government packing….
FIRE EVERYONE.
You know this “case” is so off the charts in politically going after a former President of an opposing party ( who without question they hate) – and the appeals court relying on text book precedents to authorize what DOJ can do in the name of Supposed National Security , when the Person they are accusing ( trying to railroad ) was the Head of National Security, just doesn’t make a lot of sense , but that’s just me . This is an instance of unparalleled first impression as they say.
Yeah – and the NEA and DOE and … and… and…
Once you give them an inch, they take a mile and you’ll NEVER get it back. The DOD showed much more mercy on ISIS than than would on us “domestic terrorists”.
Have you heard of the 41 y/o leftist who ran over and killed an 18 y/o because he was a Republican.? BECAUSE he was a Republican…
That raises the question: Who watches the watchmen?
The days of deferring to the DOJ about anything are long gone. The Russian Collusion hoax wasn’t just political gamesmanship. It was a soft coup.
I agree that the pillars need to be taken down. When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary…
Judge Cannon doesn’t think the doj should get a pass.
A statement from Judge Aileen Cannon’s ruling:
“It is also true, of course, that evenhanded procedure does not demand unquestioning trust in the determinations of the Department of Justice.”
I have followed this closely and have read the various court filings. There is something that is not clear to me.
Does Trump and his legal team even know for sure specifically which documents marked as classified the FBI took? It seems that the inventories that have been released are general, not specific.
I’m trying to think of a reason why Trump’s side has not given evidence that Trump did declassify the documents. Is it because they don’t know specifically what documents are in question? It seems they could point to a standing order or a specific memo or something for at least some of the documents. Trump has mentioned a standing order in at least one interview but such a thing has not been alleged in a court filing. So….why not?
If Trump declassified the crossfire Hurricane docs, for example, why can’t Trump just release them to the public himself?
I understand that if the documents are incriminating to the DOJ/FBI they would want to keep them buried. This ruling allows them to keep the docs out of the hands of the special master, and unless they indict and Trump gets discovery, they can keep the docs out of his hands (I think) because they are ‘evidence in an ongoing investigation’.
What am I missing?
A possibility, PDJT and team probably know 90 – 99.999% of what was taken but have no way of knowing what Lawfare has since post dated, pre dated, inserted, deleted on and on. PDJT may not want to give Lawfare cover of “ Trump just said he declassified all 100 documents” and PJDT not knowing what he doesn’t know. Just one scenario. Never know for sure WHO is one/two moves ahead
Trump will never get justice and will be imprisoned
The ~reminder “for how President Trump should have declassified those documents” is worth a read. (Link for “Reminder Here” at the bottom of the article.) … TheConservativeTreehouse was able to see into our Country’s future.
Prescient!
Wish he had done just that Sundance.
here’s another “conclusion” The DoJ/NSD and FBI can do WHATEVER they want with impunity and without oversight as long as they “claim” its a matter of national security. The flaw in this scheme is horrendously obvious.
Proof that even the judiciary system has been infiltrated by the enemy!
Anyone here remember the Whitehouse.gov webpage? I wouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole now
BUT when Sundance posted his “unorthodox but best way” to expose the “documents” to full sunshine
I cut and pasted the method SD devised and sent them to President Trump (and still the real President) via the webpage. It took several minutes because the “comment” section would only take so many characters.
I did get responses from several of the “statements” I’d previously sent to the site but I never received a response
for this one, only that it was received.
I wonder if he ever was aware of it?
The special master has ALL of the clearance and “need to know” in this matter. This was a FISA judge for crying out loud — one of the most trusted and well-vetted people with judicial experience in the whole USA. There is absolutely NO ONE more qualified to serve as special master.
It should be as obvious to others as it is to us here at the Treehouse that the DOJ/FBI are panicking and terrified of what will come of these documents.
In a way, I would be really disappointed if they “did the right thing” by announcing their retirement and surrendering to authorities. It would keep the news cycle shorter and less painful and would likely disappear almost completely before the 2024 election. “Mr Trump, the bad apples have been rooted out. Why are you still talking about this?”
But they won’t… based on their behavior, this is truly “do or die” in the most literal sense. The forces behind these people must be very, very powerful.
They are powerful because money is power and trillions of $$$ make them more powerful. Sundance has exposed their
game and they are not happy campers knowing that a wee bit of society are on to their game.
It truly is a do or die situation, just like the first Revolution. Either obey the King or be hung.
There is no middle ground…..sorry Quakers.
This is really somethin. The commie left worked themselves into a progressive lather when the military establishment kept their creepy programs, like MK Ultra, secret through classification. I think we all remember those brave Democrat seekers-of-truth in the Church commission conducting investigations and bringing light to darkness supported by Katharine Graham at the Washington Post, of course.
But oh how the worm has turned! We now have the justice — i.e., “just us” — purveying left categorizing all of their vile schemes and petty evil as — wait for it — “classified.” Indeed, corrupt and mendacious commie operatives like John Brennan, through their early internship at Langley, VA — oh the memories! — have learned to use phrases like “protecting sources and methods.” Remember everybody, if we don’t protect those sources and methods, then people will die! Of course what 0’Bama’s dear Democrats are protecting are the lies, payoff schemes, and pay-to-play protection rackets that St. Hillary of Illinois, Arkancide — oops! — Arkansas, New York, and the DC Swamp (talk about grifting!) has spent a lifetime learning, practicing, and perfecting. And of course here we are, redefining boys and girls and Democrat corruption as “national security.” Suppose this makes if you presuppose that l’etat c’est 0’Bama, which the Democrats surely do. Also some Democrat may get prosecuted for corruption, which for leftists is equivalent to “dying” because Enemedia praise and political power are their sick “gods.”
Any idea how many sources were suddenly lost (killed or threatened into silence) and methods compromised because of Hillary’s mishandling of classified information???? Where was the concern for “sources and methods” then DOJ/FBI????????? (Spit and a middle finger to all of you at DOJ/FBI–and the whole intel community while I’m at it…..)
Dems’ concern for “sources and methods,” “national security,” and “women’s issues” is certainly selective… PEOPLE WILL DIE!!!
As many as 30 CIA operatives were killed in China 2010-2012 when Clinton was using that illegal server.
Excellent point.
Somehow the Right has to transcend its endless ‘sneering at the hypocrisy of it all’ & graduate from editorialization to winning a battle or two.
Media counter-pointing is fine provided it galvanizes action. Brighteon and its alt-commentariat is not a solution. Shipping a few immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard is a media stunt, even though viewing the spectacle feels exhilarating, as though a decisive victory has been logged.
There’s storming the Bastille and then there’s endlessly talking about storming the Bastille. In this media-saturated age (and given the Right’s free-market penchant for monetizing even our most profound woes), have people lost sight of the difference?
The “Right” has talked the talk until they realized it was too late to do more than talk about the evil … so they joined it.
When a Crime Syndicate controls the US government, which seems is obviously the case now, of course ANY evidence of criminal activity by the players in power will be labeled “Classified Information” by them. Conveniently they have also hired Durham to be conducting his Crossfire Hurricane “criminal investigation” in Perpetuity, so “We can’t comment on an active case,” can also be used as another one of their gas-lighting narratives.
The situation unfolding regarding the materials the FBI confiscated from President Trump’s home STINKS to high Heaven. The process itself seems to be illegal, otherwise why would they be trying to cover up what’s in the documents leading up to the raid so hard? If they wanted to restore public trust they would be eager to be transparent. The answer is THEY DON”T CARE ONE IOTA what the public thinks. This is all about keeping themselves and their handlers out of prison and trying to destroy their Overlords’ political opposition.
Now that the FBI is not obligated to full disclosure of what they took to a third party they have a prime opportunity to plant whatever they want to hit their target. It’s been reported this happens a lot or the threat of this has been used as a device to intimidate people to do what they want. Trump reported the FBI even stole items from his kitchen. WTH? Did Guido need a new juicer for himself or what? This agency NEEDS TO GO. With every breath left in our national body, we need to demand the FBI be defunded and their job duties assigned elsewhere. Otherwise with partisan crooks like these in charge of “law enforcement” how is the US any different than Russia or Communist China? I sure wish Trump would release the video footage of what the FBI did to his home so the whole world can see Biden and his Gestapo FBI for who they are. The staged photo shoot of the documents in disarray for the FBI press release was the icing on the cake. What a crock. What a pack of miscreants. It’s shocking that the FBI has sunk so low.