Lawyers representing the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) and lawyers representing President Trump have presented their list of candidates for Special Master to review documents seized from Mar-a-Lago. [8-page pdf Here]
The DOJ-NSD has listed their candidates including:
♦ The Honorable Barbara S. Jones (ret.) – retired judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, partner in Bracewell LLP, and special master in In re: in the Matter of Search Warrants Executed on April 28, 2021 and In the Matter of Search Warrants Executed on April 9, 2018.
♦ The Honorable Thomas B. Griffith (ret.) – retired Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, special counsel in Hunton Andrews Kurth LLP, and Lecturer on Law at Harvard Law School.
President Trump lawyers have listed their candidates including:
♦ The Honorable Raymond J. Dearie (ret.) – former Chief Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York, served on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, formerly the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York.
♦ Paul Huck, Jr.—founder, The Huck Law Firm, former Jones Day partner, former General Counsel to the Governor, former Deputy Attorney General for the State of Florida.
The majority of the remaining filing lists the agreements of both the DOJ-NSD and Trump lawyers, as well as points of disagreement for how the special master process should continue. The position of the DOJ-NSD is the special master should not review any documents they deem classified or vital to national security, regardless of whether they contain markings or not. The DOJ just doesn’t want anyone to review what they are calling “classified documents.”
President Trump’s lawyers contend the special master should review all of the documents, regardless of DOJ-NSD definitions, and make an independent determination as to the validity of the DOJ-NSD claims, as well as consideration for ‘executive privilege.’
Plaintiff believes the Government’s objection to the Special Master reviewing documents they deem classified is misplaced. First, the Government’s position incorrectly presumes the outcome — that their separation of these documents is inviolable. Second, their stance wrongly assumes that if a document has a classification marking, it remains classified in perpetuity. Third, the Government continues to ignore the significance of the Presidential Records Act (“PRA”). If any seized document is a Presidential record, Plaintiff has an absolute right of access to it while access by others, including those in the executive branch, has specified limitations. Thus, President Trump (and/or his designee) cannot be denied access to those documents, which in this matter gives legal authorization to the Special Master to engage in first-hand review. (filing source)
At the heart of the matter, we find ourselves back in the original place we were in 2017, when we first began discussing the relationship between the DOJ-NSD and the FISA Court surrounding the issue of the Carter Page FISA application.
The DOJ-NSD is an agency within the DOJ that views themselves as beyond any apparatus that would conduct oversight. This is the entire reason why the DOJ National Security Division refused to accept any inspector general oversight from formation until 2020. In essence, the DOJ-NSD quantifies everything they do as vital to the interests of national security, and therefore beyond the reach of any outside entity to review or audit their work.
Using the national security angle, just as the FISA court is a star chamber within the judicial branch seemingly omnipotent and without a counterbalancing check on their power, so too is the DOJ-NSD a star chamber within the executive branch. The DOJ-NSD makes determinations and then says, as in the example of the Trump documents, these things are what we say they are – and you have no standing to question us.
Both the FISA court and the DOJ-NSD operate in the realm of omnipotent power and internal definitions, and the legislative branch doesn’t do anything about it; worse yet, the legislative branch defers to the arbitrary determinations of both.
Within this corrupted and bastardized system, you find the FISC and DOJ-NSD are two of the four pillars that construct the unspoken Fourth Branch of Government. The other two are the Dept of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Few people have yet to grasp what takes place, and fewer still will admit it exists. Yet, the outlines of the political operations that take place within this fourth branch surface frequently.
Bloomberg is just reporting; FBI is monitoring websites, etc. for Trump supporters protest violence (???!!!) WTH?
Here’s the link:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-09/mar-a-lago-search-spurred-us-alert-on-risk-of-anti-fbi-violence?leadSource=uverify%20wall
Intimidation tactic. Yes, advocating violence is a prosecutable offence.
No MAGA person would advocate for violence, its against the Constitution, the rule if law, and everything MAGA stands for.
Abolishing the FBI, Defunding the FBI, dismantling the 4th branch thru peaceful means, however are perfectly legal, AND in accordance with Making America Great Again.
Let em monitor all they want,…and a big mickey salute, to them.
Exactly!
It matters not a whit to the FBI and DOJ that the actions of those resisting fascism are ‘perfectly legal’. You say ‘bring it on’; the government’s henchmen say ‘the process is the punishment’.
And the “Patriot” act says they can do with you want they want
Good luck solving the problems by sitting down with murders, pedophiles and the like. When you are done discussing your plans with the genocidal and homicidal psychopaths that we call government, I’m sure you’ll be satisfied.
They are coming for you and your aged parents. Sheep to the slaughter.
Trolls are on the troll, Dutch.
And:
Yes and praise the Lord!
Gee Patience, sad how you denigrate those who state an accurate assessment of the scum one calls “government”.
“Advocating Violence is a prosecutable Offense” ?????
Not if you are a Democrat politician or member of the 4th branch it isn’t.
This should be no surprise at all to anyone that is familiar with Edward Snowden arc.
That is for private communications. Everything on social media would be in a “public” snooping class in and of itself. Such as in Facebook has an outgoing report to intelligence agencies about conversations that might catch their interest.
I am talking about online communications in general, not particular to any whimsical interest of the day from the intelligence agencies..
Nowadays you are probably safer sending a letter, as at least that has some kind of protections from being opened.
My understanding is that almost any postal letter can be read, using technical means that do not involve opening the envelope.
I wouldn’t trust the Post Office with anything. They are on video stuffing the drop boxes! One van was there 5-6 times delivering dozens of “ballots”. By law; you are only allowed to deliver your own and others in your household. But the law never stops criminals!
Ever notice the bar code printed on the bottom of the envelop by the post office?
They track where you mail your letters and create networks of your relationships.
Hahahaha. My ‘relationships’ are my creditors. I only mail bills.
When you’ve lived long enough, all your relationships are medical people.
Yes. I haven’t yet changed em service to encrypted from the monster monopoly, so I am very careful when sending info to anyone. Also on text. Hoping Erik Prince’s venture into alternative smart phones is successful & affordable.
The Gateway Pundit also carries this information.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/exclusive-chris-wray-put-fbi-high-alert-scouring-gateway-pundit-finding-one-tasteless-comment-following-mar-lago-raid/
Bottom line is not to foment violence and Be Prepared.
Violence is the preferred method of the spoiled progressives. In days gone by, it was known as a temper tantrum or hissy fit. MAGA followers do thei protesting peacefully.
Exactly WHY do they anticipate trouble? Ha!
Of course, it is because
they know
that they
have exposed themselves
to be the scum
that they are
– to millions of good Americans.
What a gang of unAmerican
Creeps!
Posted several times but here it is again;
Hey, any feebs or doj scum reading this, piss off
Hey, Chrissy Wray, like Steve Bannon always says: Suck on this.
When they can’t find anything they’ll gladly make some up or use their Panty Raiders to trap more
Talk about projection.
The FBI needs to be monitoring itself.
Trump supporters are not violent.
We don ‘t advocate violence.
We don’t infiltrate organizations with bogus bad actors.
We don’t fake kidnapping governors.
We don’t murder innocent, unarmed people who assemble to express their Right to free speech.
We don’t use social media to suppress alternate viewpoints.
We don’t abuse our power hounding and tormenting those who disagree with us with law fare and the court systems.
We have never blown a mother to death who was holding her baby in her arms.
We have never gunned down a female veteran without being investigated and then extolling our virtue in an interview on television.
Which federal agencies have done all of the above?
The same agency that spits on the Constitution and their purpose of protecting American citizens.
The same agency that labels good, law abiding. people as terrorists.
Projection Projection Projection
Shame on Wray and the rest of the fbi!
Shame on the Capitol police.
What about entrapment don’t both agencies understand?
Look in the mirror if you wish to vilify someone.
You are terrorizing the very people you should be protecting just because you don’t like who they vote for!
That means we are at war.
Sadly as we know from the Sharyl Attkisson computer intrusion case, the FBI has a history of planting electronic evidence and using that as justification to launch formal investigations. As Sundance has pointed out many times, the illegal surveillance by the FBI of the NSA Bulk Collection database (FISA) continues to this day.
Corruption is a persistent theme in the comments on this thread, as on so many others over the years. Is the FBI corrupt? Of course. Is the DOJ corrupt? Duh. Every single agency or department in this or any other government is corrupt by its very nature.
And it doesn’t stop with governments. Every well run department in the universities at which i taught for 40 years was corrupt. Every corporation of consequence on this planet is corrupt.
And let’s not exclude outfits that at first blush we might consider above the fray from accusations of corruption as well. Do you remember that, on 01 January, 1998, the American Diabetes Association had the ceiling for an 8 hour glucose fasting test at 140, only to reduce it that summer to 126? Does ten percent sound like the result of rigorous scientific inquiry? Now fast forward to 2003, when the ADA accepted the recommendation of an advisory panel and lowered it again, to 100. Ever wonder how such panelists are earning their income? Do you think that the ADA has been the only governing body in the health care industry to lower numbers, and withal create a larger pool of individuals at risk?
The common denominator is the budgetary process. A good definition of a fool is an individual who runs his or her department in keeping with its annual budget allocation. To the contrary, you want to exhaust it as fast as possible, and then scream to the powers in charge that you need more money! More! More! It should go without saying that no responsible manager would ever fail to spend every dollar in the budget; to live within one’s means and return unused departmental funds to the general pool isn’t foolish … it’s insane.
The human universe is predatory by nature. More responsibilities mean a bigger budget, so do whatever you can to poach on your neighbors. Manufacture crises at every turn, but never, never resolve them. As long as a crisis is ongoing, your budget will swell, and swell some more. And the number of new hires in your department will also just keep going up and up and up. How often do governments shrink in size and scope of responsibility?
There is a reason why governments so often meet violent deaths.
You’re looking at it.
Which is why Congress last passed a budget when? Continuing resolution = continued corruption
The last Congressional Budget was passed in 2007.
Interesting. Wasn’t OBummer in charge for 8 years directly thereafter?
BINGO! Same applies to the “increase” in Autism diagnosis, Covid Deaths, and just about EVERYTHING else the corrupt politicians and burrow-craps have access to.
“The Trump candidates are a joke”.
Source: an anonymous armchair asking readers to just trust him.
Response: 😂😂😂😂😘 Thanks for the ” joke”.
SDNY and DC Circuit. The 2 most liberal jurisdictions in the US. Where fairness and Justice go to die!
Liberal my ass — Gestapo.
The Democratic Party is now authoritarian.
It has always been foundationally authoritarian, it’s just that now they are comfortable allowing this to show.
I’m not sure it’s out of comfort as much as it out of necessity.
I think you misspelled “tyrannical”?
“Authoritarian”. Is that another politically correct word describing communism ?
Seriously,this is a farce ,just declare it is and tell them their lawsuit is a farce .
Trump has enough volunteers for a large security force to keep the Feds away
Enough is enough
Tell them You don’t buy into their farce investigation
Star Chamber – definition:
“The term star chamber refers pejoratively to any secret or closed meeting held by a judicial or executive body, or to a court proceeding that seems grossly unfair or that is used to persecute an individual.”
It derives from a biased UK court run by the king … the courtroom had stars on the ceiling.
Michael Douglas starred in the movie by the same name, where judges had a hit man on call who took out criminals who escaped by technicalities.
By discussing which of these might be Special Master aren’t we advancing this case before understanding the legality and process of the raid itself?
I mean didn’t Obama declare millions of documents his?
What Special Master was appointed there?
Supposedly Obama moved millions of documents to a Chicago warehouse under the “authority” and administration of National Archives.
I’m positive they checked everything. sarc /
Supposedly, those 30 million documents were to be digitalized for his library which hasn’t been built yet. That process has never been done & it cost taxpayers $2 million per year to warehouse them. They wouldn’t need that warehouse space if those records were digitalized. Why were they ever allowed to leave DC where the Archives already has space for such items? Does make you wonder how many people over the years have accessed those files for whatever reason.
This quagmire they’ve created to consume time, money and taint POTUS is working just as they have planned.
DeSantis is GOPe not MAGA.
Who is MAGA heir beyond POTUS? Is there an heir?
Maybe Kari Lake.
I can only imagine the revelations that might have been made had PDJT nominated a genuine swamp enemy to AG, FBI and CIA. Yes we know the story, McConnell would block but he can’t block everyone. Trump might have slayed the beast if he’d had a real MAGA team, like what he campaigned on, instead of all of the statist operators he brought in.
He wants a do-over for 2024. Perhaps he now knows who to listen to, and who not to. There will be legitimate debates in the 2024 primaries about these old choices, and he needs to explain publicly why those corrupt statists were nominated… I’d love to hear it.
The corrupting of the DS had to be exposed?
Greg, my thoughts exactly.
The DOJ wants to select a Hanging Judge to hear a case presented by their selected Hanging Prosecutor to their selected Hanging Jury and they demand that the defendant be denied due process. If any Citizen dares to complain they demand that the Citizen share the same fate.
Their goal is to destroy our Constitutional Republic and our Bill of Rights.
The powers that be are pushing this nefarious plan because they fear the Citizens of the USA.
Stalinist or Nazi People’s Court is what we are seeing
Take a hard, long look at these twitter-vids from the streets of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The same Democrats who are destroying Donald Trump are destroying the American way of life. Democrats deserve what they’ve got coming:
https://notthebee.com/article/philadelphia-has-fallen-just-look-at-these-videos-showing-the-current-state-of-the-city
I drove through Philly in May. It’s probably worse than most people think. I was glad when we got out of there and back on the road!
I recently discovered those videos. Horrifying. After watching several, l was struck with the thought that the city is irretrievable. Too much to reverse. How would one even go about starting to fix all those people? Very shocking, and sad. I wonder how many American cities are the same. I bet San Francisco is even worse.
The issue is National Security. The People have the utmost need to know about the coup against Trump. It’s the People’s National Security that is at stake. The role of government is always secondary to the People, for without the People, government will not and can not exist. The governmental actions before, during, and now after Trump was is office must be examined.
DOJ has and is obstructing justice and is threatening the very People who it exists for. These threats against the People and their Republic are and have been turned into acts of war. Make no mistake, this is war perpetrated by our government through obfuscation and transmogrification of law.
We can counter this threat without resorting to armed conflict through various means including nonviolent action – the choice of MLK, Gandhi, and others. The presence and weight of the Public must be employed – massively – in a peaceful and calm way.
Those within government can also expose the elements who have and continue to make war upon the People including themselves.
Eric, regarding “violence”, why are the American wars of “violence”, i.e. Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan and now this Deep State involvement with Ukraine acceptable to you ? But, for American Patriots to use violence to defend against the tyranny of the corrupt fedgov currently ensconced (illegally) in D.C., is abhorrent to you ?
Sometimes, violence IS the answer.
I don’t trust either of those DOJ recommendations. One is a huge Democrat donor, and the other is a Biden appointment on a presidential commission.
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Biden DOJ Pushes For Judge To Appoint Dem Donor As Special Master
Excerpt:
President Joe Biden’s Justice Department (DOJ) is proposing that a federal judge appoint a Democratic donor and former judge to serve as special master in the Trump Mar-a-Lago investigation.
The DOJ recommended in a Friday filing that the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida appoint Barbara Jones as special master — an appointee who oversees litigation and makes court recommendations. Jones, a retired judge in the Southern District of New York, has donated thousands to Democratic causes, records show.
–snip–
The DOJ also proposed the court possibly appoint Thomas B. Griffith special master. Griffith, a former judge appointed by President George W. Bush, was tapped by Biden in 2021 to be on his newly made U.S. Supreme Court Presidential Commission — which makes proposals to the court on how it should operate.
https://yournews.com/2022/09/10/2411389/biden-doj-pushes-for-judge-to-appoint-dem-donor-as/
the DOJ picked the same corrupt judge they used to approve the raids on Rudy Giuliani and Victoria Toensing’s homes. Judge Barbara Jones was also involved in the James O’Keefe Search Warrant Case. As you may recall — the Stasi-FBI took all of Rudy’s electronics except for the Hunter Biden Laptop hard drive that he offered them. Retired leftist Judge Barbara Jones, appointed by Bill Clinton, was chosen by the DOJ as their candidate for Special Master.
Thomas Griffith was a signatory of the following: https://lostnotstolen.org/
Funny, they cared not one wit when antifa was burring a federal court building in Portland, not to mention all the private businesses burned!
Do you know what’s funny about all these raids? The DOJ raids the top guy first, then raids all the underlings. Shouldn’t this be the other way around???
the problem with most in the judicial system is they are almost all politically corrupt against this country and the rule of true law.
BTW, you think DeSantis can weather the storm that would be coming for him? Only a fool would run for president in America.
Suprised the Trump team picked someone who has connections to the corrupt southern district of NY. Hopefully this Huck guy gets picked.
Without knowing anything about Trumps pick, it sounds very strategic, perhaps making it harder for the DOJ to object? Not that they won’t object but it might make it harder to defend an objection with the judge.
The United States Constitution is dead. Long dead. Killed over many decades by the scum of the legislative branch with massive, destructive support by the judicial branch.
There is no fixing the criminal behemoth known as the USA.
Everything is classified, because they say so. It’s gaslighting; it’s BS.
Any of the Special Masters could be vetted and issued Top Secret Security Clearance. We had Secret Clearance in College some 50 years ago for a research project; and it was BS even back then. You’d read through a Secret document, and then say… “what in earth is secret about that?”
This was my question too. If they already have a lower level security clearance it seems an easy thing to give them a higher one. The issue then becomes, who is responsible for approving security clearances? not to mention the time it would take. They can drag their feet like they always do.
This is all about keeping the swamp untouchable by the American public for the evil deeds that they have done.
Yes. There is only one way the swamp is going to be held accountable. It’s not going to be Trump doing it, because … haven’t any of you figured it out yet? … he’s either not going to be allowed to run or they’re going to cheat cheat cheat at the ballot box. So if they’re going to be held accountable, WE will have to do it and it will take real sacrifice.
Quote – The position of the DOJ-NSD is the special master should not review any documents they deem classified or vital to national security, regardless of whether they contain markings or not.
i.e. the DOGT (Department of Get Trump) believes it should be able to study (and leak) everything before the special master determines what they can look at.
The DoJ got to look at all the documents seized. The Special Master should, likewise, get to look at all the documents received.
Which prompts me to ask the question: why would I believe anything a special master who is on a list from the DoJ says any more than I would believe anything the DoJ says? Answer: I wouldn’t. We’ve already heard from the DoJ. Of what value is hearing from the DoJ’s
special masterdummy? Their special master will merely parrot what has already come forth, so it would be a worthless exercise to select one of their choices. Kind of like doing a recount of 500,000 votes after an election by simply recounting the votes already counted without any determination as to those that were fraudulent so they could be tossed out.Three of the four suggestions are from NY, why? This happened in Fla! Yeah, I know all the legal powerful are in NY & DC & the FBI’s were from there, but that doesn’t make it right! Why not choose someone from a fly-over state, that would seem to be less prejudice?
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-candidate-special-master-review-232849899.html
“In a filing Monday evening that marked a rare moment of consensus in the case, the Justice Department said Dearie, along with its two other candidates, retired Judge Barbara S. Jones and retired Judge Thomas B. Griffith would be acceptable.”
Beware! I think Trump made a mistake in suggesting Dearie as a candidate.