Not wanting to put too much credibility behind any Newsweek report; however, the claims within the article mirror what we have suspected all along. [Article Here]
Essentially, the nub of the article states the DOJ claim to “retrieve federal documents” was a cover story so the FBI could retrieve evidence Trump took from DC showing his Russiagate targeting. This is called “throwing a bag over it.”
Newsweek – The FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago last Monday was specifically intended to recover Donald Trump’s personal “stash” of hidden documents, two high-level U.S. intelligence officials tell Newsweek.
To justify the unprecedented raid on a former president’s residence and protect the source who revealed the existence of Trump’s private hoard, agents went into Trump’s residence on the pretext that they were seeking all government documents, says one official who has been involved in the investigation. But the true target was this private stash, which Justice Department officials feared Donald Trump might weaponize.
“They collected everything that rightfully belonged to the U.S. government but the true target was these documents that Trump had been collecting since early in his administration,” says the source, who was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive issues.
The sought-after documents deal with a variety of intelligence matters of interest to the former president, the officials suggest—including material that Trump apparently thought would exonerate him of any claims of Russian collusion in 2016 or any other election-related charges. (read more)
In a lengthy four-part series, what is described in the Newsweek article essentially tracks with our own review.
In Part One we outlined the background of the modern Deep State {Go Deep}. In Part Two we outlined the specifics of how President Trump was targeted by political operatives using tools created by the DC system {Go Deep}. In Part Three we outlined how and why President Trump was blocked from releasing documents {Go Deep}. In Part Four we outlined the specifics of what documents likely existed in Mar-a-Lago {Go Deep}.
Take out the leftist slant intended to make President Trump look like he did something wrong, and the Newsweek article sounds mostly accurate.
[ READ CTH PERSPECTIVE HERE ]
Sundance have you found anything in your investigations about FBI Strzock actually being CIA? And that may be the document they were searching for?
A more important question to me is:
Does PresTrump have duplicate copies of the Russiagate documents?
(perhaps scanned and backed up on electronic media)
Or has FBI hoofed it back to DC with the sole and only versions?
I’ve been wondering that the entire time. Hope he has an external hard drive or something- or a lawyer has it. Maybe the best papers were kept in a security deposit box. 🤣 would be so 007 of Trump.
What you put in a box is a note that says, “Busted.” Then you talk with one and only one other trusted person about the box in a place you think they wired.
You could do that, but prefer SD’s Mickey Mouse middle finger pic
President Trump left office on January 20, 2021. GSA shipped the documents when?
President Trump’s RICO case was filed on March 24, 2022. No attorney would take a case w/o having their own set of evidence. My guess???
thx, WSB, that’s a solid line of reasoning
if so, they better be running off additional copies to furnish back to PresTrump, because if they’re the President’s attorney, they can count on getting hit too
like they went after the one attorney who had handled something about PresTrump’s taxes, remember?
it was during the period where they were trying frantically to get a copy of PresTrump’s tax returns, maybe ahead of the 2020 election
Indeed, nim! Yet it would be very difficult at this point to raid an attorney/client privilege file.
Which attorney? I am not certain, but do docs need to be retained by the same attorney on a particular case? What fun that would be!!! hundreds!!!! Where to look?
If the docs were declassified prior to 1/20/21, PT’s attorneys have them. We have no idea if these ARE copies or not, yet I know of no attorneys who would file a case w/o secured evidence.
And there should be a notorized inventory, receipt, of the docs, IMHO.
PS Give the docs to an attorney working over a neighbor’s dog bite of a Mar-a-Lago staff member, and then you have a wonderful
RABBIT HOLE!!!
PPS PT does not need the docs.
Good point.
That is my experience.
don’t forget the possible application of whistle blower statutes. If necessary, PDJT could claim he had evidence of massive fraud etc. Assumedly, as a President, he would not need to follow any formal processes to be deemed a whistle blower.
related question:
Did PresTrump have a trusted personal archivist on staff, doing nothing but duplicating and archiving documents for the President’s singular possession?
I always thought he should have a dedicated staffer who would peruse Treehouse every day and work up brief bulleted summaries of the content
Don Jr’s staff might have been a good place for such a person, if Don Jr was truly a close aide to his father
“Hey, Dad, you gotta watch out for this …”
They made so many copies I got one in my mail box and threw it away thinking it was just more junk mail.
now THAT’S funny, Fang
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
HA! I had to edit THIS!!!! Puddy…queen of typos!!!
Yes, I have seen, based on DJT responding within an hour after one of Sundances posts, that someone from PDJT’s inner circle is lurking here.
HI, DON!:-)
thx, Dutch, that’s reassuring
nim…PT has STAFF!!
That could be requested in 24 hours and be completed!
I am a novice, nim. Yet could PT put docs in a trust for another entity?
Are there any other Shakespearean opponents here tonight to weigh in??
Evidence collected across his presidency requires a chain of custody.
Too many copies of documents raises questions of authenticity, and increases the risk of leaks, imo.
My guess:
It’s already in the National Archives in a hyper secure, hyper secret place. It was archived in realtime.
Imagine a video recording of the Comey WH meeting that resulted in the memos that Comey illegally leaked.
Ha! Are they scared???
I do not think that would be in a Smithsonian display! I understand your wisdom.
Yet, PT’s attorneys should have everything they need after the National Archives already has the docs.
PT knows as well, IMHO.
When I say National Archives, I mean an archive that is within the recognized sovereign jurisdiction of the US archives. Likely militarily protected.
Or legal access to it?
PS Do not trust The National Archives. Obama weaponized it early on in his regime.
Reread the memos and imagine that Corney was the one under investigation.
I bet our VSG has many, many copies in many safe places
Ok, what has more copies, the thumbdrives the FBI was looking for at MAL, or Hunters laptop?
😂
Hunter’s whore.
Trump thru down the Gauntlet with his suit. And neutered FBI/DOJ – all the stuff he Declassified!!!, even unredacted, is fine to copy now. Let them challenge his sole presidential authority to declassify. It will go to the supreme court and become precedent – just destroyed the “silo” games for future Presidents!! Put it out their in a suit, or trial for the public to see. Check mate.
This will be the conundrum. Everything was already declassified until the idiots realized what PT did this March by filing a RICO suit. RICO suits are SERIOUS!
Then they panicked. But too late, IMHO.
Oh, and President Trump filed this in the Southern District of Florida. Why?
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas!!!!!!! Supreme Court Jurisdiction!!!!
❤️
Wait until thevpeople see what they were hiding behind classification.
He’s not worried. He’s trolling the Dims of NY-12. Read his endorsements of Goldman, Nadler, and Maloney. Hilarious.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/17/trump-endorses-dan-goldman-and-carolyn-maloney/
I wonder if he has Fauci’s unredacted emails.
My immediate thought on this very point is that President Trump would have back up copies of these items, the issue is having the original in terms of law makes the original more valid . I would think that Trump knows very well the value of having back up copies, but being copies rather the original documents would allow valid questions on their authenticity.
It could be that all these items taken could be merely copies with the originals being stored in a much more secure location. Trump would know these documents would be sought after by the swamp, and he just seems too savvy to hold them in a location like his home.
I think this is where Space Force comes in the picture. Trump has the originals in a retrievable space capsule orbiting the earth.
… like pulling a frozen Dr Evil back down from orbit, yes?
Wasn’t there some ramblings about the Death Star?
He would NOT have the originals.
The govt is behind private industry in terms of computers, but not THAT far.
The system the FBI uses for 302’s, for instance.
Any had written documents are either scanned in or typed out on a computer.
The ‘documents’ as described by Sundance are probably ALL digitalised and it is digitalised images PDJT would have.
Sure, DOCUMENTS like wills, trusts, contracts you need the originals for court, ….however in a court case involving documents and with a dispute as to validity, it is not incumbent on the party to prove they are genuine.
It is incumbent on the party alleging they are false, to prove it.
Cause you can’t prove a negative.
So, PDJT submits the documents. Hillarys lawyers claim they are false.
PDJT’s lawyers say “prove it”.
They say “we can’t”.
The documents are admitted as evidence.
Copies with seals and / or stamps can work
I suspect MOST of the documents, being from various depts of the Fed gov. were, at some point prior to PDJT obtaining copies of them, in electronic form.
Either they originated as paper documents, such as hand written notes, (302’s?) that were ‘scanned’ into digital form, or they were written on a computer, and so digital from the outset.
That being the case, thecterm “documents” is a little deceptive, it seems to me.
A thumbdrive could contain digital images of all the material Sundance outlined, I imagine.
Since he declassified these images of documents (cause he certainly didn’t get the originals, which the Govt retained) I don’t know why he couldn’t have made copies of them.
And I don’t know why these digital images would be any less valid as evidence in his court case just because they are copies.
So, hard to fathom why a VSG like PDJT would NOT have made copies.
And, perhaps this explains them going thru melanias wardrobe, when they couldn’t find the material (thumbdrive?) where they expected it.
THANKS TO ALL for your thoughtful and incisive answers on this issue, I’ve copied them all into a topical file that I keep
–NIMRODMAN
Thanks for the great question! And answers.
Boom! That’s what I want to know!
Question. Would it be illegal to make copies? Or, are unclassified documents (assuming they are all unclassified) okay to copy?
Unclassified is fine as long as it’s not NOFORN/ SBU in which case there are some restrictions on handling.
Electronic records are treated the same as analog but with the use of metadata to authenticate them and there are systems that “tag” documents with their classification. They will alert if someone tries lowering the classification outside proper channels.
Thanks!
Great question.
What is the format of these documents? Hard copies? Electronic? Are any reports transmitted electronically as email attachments? Storage devices? Hillary had a server.
He has boxes and only a few banker boxes (hardcopy documents) and bins.
Hoping whatever was taken were copies and that the originals are safely in a different location; something about only originals being allowed as evidence unless copies are verified is running in the back of my mind.
I raised this issue twice in other posts. I’m certain he has copies, he’s an intelligent man. And that’s why he declassified them. He knew Justice and the FBI would want them back. Now, who to trust in his entourage? That would be his sons.
The FBI is just so stuck between a rock and a hard place. It’s a beautiful thing.
I saw on Gateway that this would show CIA spying on us Citizens and that he couldn’t be fired from FBI if he was actually CIA.
Why couldn’t Stroczk work for both agencies at the same time? I have never heard of a rule against that. If that’s the case, he could have been fired by the FBI while working for the CIA. Also, I think I read that his father was a deep state CIA asset as well.
Strzok? He’s probably a dual FSB and CCP mole — and should be executed twice for treason, just to be sure.
Out: The Manchurian Candidate.
In: The Smirkinian Candidate.
This reminds me of L. Frank Baum’s punishment for anyone cutting fronds from the palm trees in the palace garden of the Emerald City.
It was to be “killed seven times, and afterwards imprisoned for life.”
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Grandma, that is certainly part of it. The individual FIB defendants want to be removed from the lawsuit and to be substituted with the “United States”. That would only be proper if these individuals were properly acting within the scope of their official duties and not abusing their positions to commit ultra vires torts (and, just my opinion, crimes).
So Strzock being CIA would make his behaviors a no-no and subject him to personal liability.
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Pretty sure Strzok was a special hybrid CIA/FBI officer which I read was created by Congress.
Also a human/asshole hybrid created habit.
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Yeah… well… yes and CIA is embedded in agencies all over the government (and elsewhere) in “dual role”… but they usually DO the “dual role” in full, and TGP was pondering: where’s evidence of him applying to, qualifying as a FIB?
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“hybrid CIA/FBI” “created by Congress”
Rings a bell, Gipper, I remember reading that explanation
numerous politicians are CIA: it’s an open secret of sorts. Some new congressmen, class of 2018, proudly flaunted their intel credentials. We are supposed to believe that they cease working for agency after being elected?!
Was it Conducted *Without Warrant ?
No – just with a warrant so general and open-ended and non-specific that it was essentially “without a warrant”
gnomesayin’ ?
At my next Dungeons & Dragons game, I am going to play a gnome character (if that is allowed in 5th edition) and name him “Whatimsayinn” . His main weapon or power will be making “annoying talk” that causes 3 hit points in damage to those who don’t know what his sayin’ and cannot roll a saving throw > 4.
I read the tweet as referring to the original surveillance conducted inside Mar a Lago, the tape of which was ostensibly covered by the general warrant. Did they have a warrant to conduct that original surveillance?
The DOJ just wants to see what Trump has on his security tape.
Newsweek copied/stole CTH research.
I’m sure this has been Asked and Answered (as Jen Psaki would say) but why would documents matter when flash drives and “cloud” files, etc exist????
I do know full well, that cloud documents can be altered. That can be done regardless.
Speaking on this subject, on the Timcase IRL show today, Derek Harvey talked about having PAPER documents.
Again, someone can alter those, or alter the virtual file and click Print anytime, anywhere.
Not really. The forensic work done during the audits, and going back to Obummers Birth certificate leads me to think it is very difficult to alter or forge documents, paper or digital, in such a way that it can survive rigorous examination.
they start talking about underlying Spygate documents that Radcliffe and Trump wanted declassified at around 1:14:20
Sundance authorized anyone to use his material for any purpose. He gave the world his full permission. Newsweek is spreading the word.
Unwittingly?
I believe the phrase is “Not wittingly”, WSB
Clapper said that I recall.
yes, I was making a sideways allusion to Clapper
Normally the lawyers call witnesses to authenticate documents. This was done in the Alex Jones trial.
Again, this ties in to Trump’s lawsuit in June against the Russia gate conspirators.
Still no one, definitive thing I can point to, to absolutely confirm this was a DJT trap, but definetly nothing to definitively refute it, either.
I am surprised that they are, as Sundance says actually stating essentially the truth of the matter.
I think Erics statement that “when they opened the safe, it was empty”, as well as the storyline that they had a ‘tip’ as to the location, but spent 9 hrs and went into areas beyond the warrant (living space, malanias undies) etc. are indications they didn’t find what they were looking for.
Also, I think I just figured it out; THEY put out the story, via ‘statements from officials not authorised’ that there was a mole, and it was based on statements from this mole, that they had probable cause, and now they don’t want to release the application.
I don’t think there was any mole, cause otherwise WHY would they expose the existence of a mole???
He was BUGGED, and it was based on a bugged conversation that they believed they knew the location of the material.
And, HE knows it, they know he knows it, he knows they know he knows it, but they don’t want it publically known that they bugged him.
And I am more confident than ever that he set a trap, they stepped in it, and they did NOT get the “documents” they were
trying to get.
And he STILL has all 9 hrs of the videos, from multiple cameras, of 30 agents searching fruitlessly and with increasing frustration, and not in any way engaging in any unprofessional or innappropriate conduct.
Like a bullet, loaded and pointing at them, and with his finger on the trigger,…
Premature to say “Well done, you Very Special Genius!”? Perhaps,…
Yes!
“I think Erics statement that “when they opened the safe, it was empty”, as well as the storyline that they had a ‘tip’ as to the location, but spent 9 hrs and went into areas beyond the warrant (living space, malanias undies) etc. are indications they didn’t find what they were looking for.”
i keep thinking about Erics comment too. It reminds me of the few days after Jan 6th when we were told Trump offered National Guard but it was refused by Pelosi. The Sergeant of Arms confirmed he asked Pelosi twice and she turned them down. He then resigned. Someone else resigned.. Chief of Capitol Police? Yet, after those first few days all the disappeared from all MSM and social media. I kept telling people about it and most didn’t know about it. Course, now it’s well known.
Erics comment reminds me of that.
Although, since their excuse for the raid had to do with classified documents, and they know they were in the safe from their visit in June, why wouldn’t they leak to the state media they were missing?
Obviously they weren’t after the documents they saw in June, but if they were not in the safe with the special lock they told Trump to put on it, you would think they would like that scenario. They could twist that into something nefarious.
Unless, they were somehow returned already. Now THAT would be embarrassing for DOJ. lol
All that thinking out loud, I have a hard time thinking Trump had any Russia, Russia, Russia documents at Mar ALargo.
It always seemed to me the Chief was a pro who was left out of the loop while a cadre of rogue Pelosi officers did their crimes. That would explain why he was thrown under the bus.
Agree 200%. I think He studied the Sussman case and used the same playbook in reverse. I.e. send a mole to give a fake tip to ray and trigger a reaction. Total trap.
Why was a safe cracker hired? Protocol or something else?
Newsweek has been pro hard left for a while now .
All those old rags are owned by China now. Time is another.
Right, and one only needs to look at the comments to see it more clearly.
Didn’t read this entire thread and don’t know if this has already been mentioned, but the author of this piece – William M. Arkin – isn’t just some hack, has been around for a while and is certainly in a position to be in receipt of credible information from the intelligence community. There’s a lot out there about him, but I’ll just post his Wikipedia entry for an overview.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Arkin
The only solution is to print out a large-type copy of Article I section 8 and insist that every line in the next budget map 1:1 to one of the 17 things that “Congress shall have power to…” do. No match, zero the line. Bring the entire government back to its Constitutional limits. When government employees who are suddenly unemployed sue for damages, the answer must be “Yup, you’re right, but there’s no money to pay your award, your back salary, or your pension. Sorry.”
That’s what I call “an inflation reduction act”.
All the info is likely stored up in a space cloud. Trump knew they would be coming. He is 50 steps ahead of them.
It has a real meaning too; “It would take something out of this World”.
If it’s true that they found his safe empty, then PDJT prepared for their raid.
With all the wealth it took Mrs. Post to build Mar-a -Lago in 1927 and the millions infused into it by Trump since 1985, I bet there are a bunch of well-concealed safes that maybe Trump even forgot about or that Mrs. Post never told anyone about before her death.
The incredible shrinking Merrick Garland
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/08/the_incredible_shrinking_merrick_garland.html
Someone at newsweek visits this site… obviously..
The Intel community reads this little blog. Both friendly and opposition for different reasons.
Unfortunately they don’t just read, or lurk.
They TRY to exert influence, not that they get very far, lol.
They are claiming to have a source from inside the FBI investigation. Journalism is a mess, but their standards generally require them to obtain verifiable proof from the source that they are who they claim to be. So we’ll see, but they are putting this story out there not as CTH research, but as somebody inside the FBI making the claim.
We cannot rule out that Newsweek printed this to help the FBI know it has a mole inside the FBI.
WHERE have YOU been?
The journalistic standard you describe last applied when Chris Steele was desperately trying to earn the advance Hillary had paid him, so he didn’t get arkanicided.
Trying to get the press to write about his dossier, and they all took a pass, but told him “if you can get the FBI to start an investigation, and we can confirm they have, THEN we will write about it.
A little while later, can’t recall who wrotexan op-ed, saying the media had an obligation to drop any such journalistic standards, in order to “get Trump”.
And they all jumped ship, and haven’t looked back.
It was really a matter of trying to appear legitimate, as opposed to not worrying about appearances.
Relax. I was just pointing out an important relevant point: Newsweek claims it has a source inside the investigation. That’s actually pretty important and could be what gives the story legs.
Yep, in academia that person is guilty of plagiarism. Disgraceful, but the word is out.
I don’t think they got what they were looking for. I also believe that they rifled through Melania’s wardrobe to rile Trump up and humiliate them. Didn’t work. They know their stupid childish games. They wanted revenge and to make her feel violated by their pawing through her personal things. Sickos.
She was violated. I was horrified when i read they went through her clothes. And they wanted to violate her because they are disgusting excuses for human beings.
They wanted Melania to feel violated and intimidated on the hope she will prevent Trump from running for President again.
Indeed
If you ask me, all of NYC is nothing but pigs to go along with DC.
I felt that the FBI did not get what they were looking for when they put out a subpoena for Mar a Lago security footage for 60 days prior to the raid. Either they had information that something was there from and it wasn’t or they just want to see how badly they behaved while inside Mar a Lago, for the camera.
If I was Pres Trump or anyone close to him, the first thing that I would do was to sweep the whole area for bugs, listening devices, receivers of any sort including microwave, and computers that were left on premise. I would not put it past the feds to plant something incriminating or to listen in on conversations.
The first thing I would do is get private security.
Yea. Remember the picture of the two people with machine guns in front of Mara Logo. One of them had Secret Service written on her tee shirt.
Um … there IS a Secret Service detail onsite to protect the President, no?
I don’t see how that’s a revelation
If I was to guess, the SS did not like the crap that the FIBs and DOJ were doing. Someone high up had to give the command or the SS agents might have let a few rounds out.
article I read said FBI notified Secret Service “at the Director level”
so you’re right, it would have been sent down the chain
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A good thought. But private security is not necessarily not subject to persuasion and bribery by the feds coupled with money. I would tend to trust the secret service more.
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“x-ray” the walls. Use the same technology used at airports.
IMHO,
There was no mole, it WAS a listening device, and thats whats in the application for the warrant.
If you find such a device, the stupid thing to do is deactivate it.
A) then they know you know, and B) they will plant another one.
The smart thing to do, and it doesn’t take a VSG to figure it out, is leave it, and use it to feed them disinfo.
Like, for instance where you are stashing your ‘document’ trove.
As for the undies, I think thats an indication they didn’t find what they were looking for, where they expected to find it, and so expanded their search.
Also indicates perviness.
Sounds plausible.
These Two Amendments Are Trump’s Friend Right Now
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/08/these_two_amendments_are_trumps_friend_right_now.html
The FBI is Trump’s best friend right now. They’ve created a deluge of donations to his PAC. They’ve help create landslide victories for Trump-endorsed candidates. Even that old hag in in AK is at risk now.
And the FBI is the gift that keeps on giving. First we find out they got a very-publicly-Trump-hating judge to sign the warrant. That warrant gets quashed, and the public gets red pilled about corrupt judges. “Obama judges” that John Roberts lied and said don’t exist.
The initial lie – which absolutely nobody believed – was that this was over a dispute with the National Archives. The statues here aren’t even criminal statutes.
Then the “nuclear secrets” fallback lie didn’t survive. They couldn’t say what the documents were, let alone why they waited months to get them. So much for the desperate emergency operation to secure critical documents lie.
Now they’ve got problems with their next fallback lie: Trump had classified information. But they’ve run into a wall of highly public announcements by Trump that he declassified a ton of stuff in 2020 and early 2021. So that’s an obvious lie.
If the FBI wanted to utterly discredit itself, while simultaneously proving Trump is right about them, and creating a public firestorm demanding the entire organization be disbanded…this is the right way to do it.
The courts are just as corrupt as the FBI. See also: judges Reinhardt, Emit Sullivan, and John Roberts.
Our job is to keep melting down Congress. The more we squeeze them, the more the FBI will be squeezed to confess.
Daddy T stashed the docs somewhere in the White House and had his staff wheel out boxes of blank pages labeled ‘Russia Hoax’ on his last day. The FIB has been trying to find those boxes of blank paper ever since. 😆
Hahaha. LOL
I suppose the 5th Amendment means nothing to these mindless automatons. Double jeopardy? This is the fourth or fifth time these lunatics are seeking to bring Trump up on the bogus Russiagate. But the people now see through this ploy and will have nothing to do with it. The democrats will suffer a tremendous rebuke of their crapola this November, but the will not cede power which will throw this country into a really uncivil war.
I’ll wait for the videos to be released.
Because of this raid Trumps civil suit against the Clinton Crime Family will probably get tossed with prejudice. Our enemies never miss a trick and always seem to have an endless number of ace cards up their sleeves.
As always, if this turns out to be true, everything ties back to Hillary Clinton.
What does she have on these people that they may have, allegedly, committed crimes to protect her, thereby putting themselves and their careers in jeopardy?
Not only the Clintons, they are protecting themselves at this point. They are all up to their necks in corruption.
And don’t forget the “beloved” Obama. The left might be able to blow it off if Clinton got busted, but Obama? That would really get to even the most hardcore leftist base I would think.
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GHWBush/CIA and the Clintons already were sympatico long before 1992. Who is the big boss of both is the question. I strongly suspect that we get fed a lot of theater.
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If I had to guess she greased the skids with Clinton Cash. Albeit now she has a few Leftist billionaires running that operation, some slide cash, while others give magazine cover deals, modeling deals, book deal, etc. to certain famous leftist mouthpieces…. all the while she still delegates most of it behind the scenes. She has the power to retire people in the upper echelon of the agencies. Usually she will tap a leftist leaning company to hire them, Walmart has stepped up to the plate for her a few times….. offering executive jobs in order to shift around the top dogs in both DOJ and FBI. That’s how they get the stranglehold over the agencies.
there is no question that is what it is about.
The FBI were looking for something. What that is exactly I don’t think we know. Russiagate documents are a convenient cover but I would never trust anything published in corporate media. This piece may be a distraction from the real cause.
They didn’t need to raid MAL to charge him with a crime, the DOJ and FBI are great at fabricating flimsy charges.
Allege parallel construction and demand that the affidavit disprove it.
ooooh — I like the way you think
That’s an excellent idea. Never heard of this tactic before but hopefully Trump’s lawyers might consider it.
Trump is smart, he has copies!
Will Cain’s thoughts and intv with Tulsi Gabbard (who, btw, makes stronger statements than Mike Pence).
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Newsweek: The FBI took Russia collusion documents that possibly exaggerated Trump
https://rumble.com/v1gdti5-newsweek-the-fbi-took-russia-collusion-documents-that-possibly-exaggerated-.html
It’s almost like Americans want the abuse. We just bend over and let the corrupt Leftists have their way with us. We don’t even struggle.
For me, I have been enjoying the desperation and panic some of these people find themselves. Every one of them is alone with many others. Can you imagine them being asked by their wives and kids, “Daddy, you are not involved in any of this stuff are you”? …. “Naw, not at all but if I were aunt Hillary would have my back”.
Yet another in a long line of “Compare and Contrast”
In the closing days of the Obama admin. the Presidential Daily Breifing was DECLASSIFIED and widely disseminated, to “keep Trump from destroying/covering up” the info.
Names were unmasked and leaked to the press.
At the end of the Trump adnin, PDJT declassified information which he believed showed Government employees engaged in a massive series of crimes.
He kept it “to himself” and did NOT disseminate it widely, nor ‘leak it’ to the press.
Compare and Contrast is an interesting device,…
The Gateway Pundit top article today was about how Peter “Captain of No Bias” Strzok was maybe NOT a real FBI deputy director for counterintelligence at all, but a CIA agent the WHOLE TIME! No evidence he went to basic FBI training at Quantico. A photo of him a White House meeting during the Bubba Era with James Brady and others as participants or guests. In the article, TGP produced a copy of a letter that was signed by Strzok using a very unusual position title under his signature that looked more CIA than FBI.
Sundance had made reports about this earlier but posited that he was an informal “liason” between the 2 agencies and had wanted to be a super spy like he was a super-lover. Remember Sundance’s article about how Brennan presented Strzok with a coin or a medal of appreciation?
As Creepy Loveragent has been piping up and making noise in the last week at CNN and on Twatter, maybe it would be good to finally solve his employment history “discrepancy”. Heck, maybe the few journalists on our side should approach his jilted wife, Melissa Hodgens of the SEC, and have her finally blab about her cheating charlatan hubby-wubby. (because you know Durham isn’t looking all that hard at things)
The Trump RICO lawsuit seems to imply otherwise
“The Defendant, Peter Strzok (hereinafter “Strzok”), is a resident of the United States, and is sui juris. At all relevant times, Strzok was an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”
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What’s the meaning in this sentence of “agent”? 🙂
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good question
why wouldn’t “employee” suffice in that context ?
I think Durham runs across all kinds of interesting things during his day. By the end of the day, he just shrugs, goes home and jacks-off. What else can there be about Durham?….anyone know?
Double agent? Playing the DC game while collecting evidence for the good guys?
Sigh. A girl can wish.
If other CIA agents are like him, I fear they are all perverted.
Trump had the authority to declassified the documents. Declassified means Declassified. If there aren’t hundreds of thumb drives with copies of the Declassified documents on them, then Trump is an idiot.
Well, that tells me everyone and their brother has a copy.
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Sounds like they took CTH research and spun it…. Trump “hoarded” a “stash” and etc.
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I have never felt so sick and sad and angry as on Monday, August 8. I couldn’t even function that evening to get anything done. It was beyond belief that they were targeting Trump again when the DOJ and FBI are the ones who are the lawless and corrupt criminals.
The Obamunists plan to have a Grand Jury indict President Trump on grounds of Seditious Conspiracy to overturn the election. They may actually suspect, as some on the right have hopefully suggested, that President Trump has put together a Government in Exile, just waiting for the right time to effect a coup. If so, then they were likely looking for evidence of this hypothetical plot.
They won’t find it, of course, but they might well find records of discussions or meetings that could be construed as ‘evidence’ of such a plot. Who knows? They might even find a ‘dossier’!
In any case, they want to have an indictment and a trial, which they likely believe will prevent President Trump from running in 2024. It would doubtless stop the Republican Party from funding his campaign, but Mr Trump has his own fund-raising operation, as well as his own personal funds, so we can expect the emergence of a new ‘party’ organization, the ‘America-First Republicans’, or something. Two years is plenty of time to make sure it gets on the ballot in all 50 States.
So I suspect this ridiculous panty-raid and ensuing indictment and trial will work to the great advantage of the America-First MAGA movement, coalescing it behind the 45th and soon-to-be 47th President of the United States.
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Excellent! From now on I will be calling it the Panty Raid!
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The Mar a Lago FBI Panty Raid of 2022
I’ve seen it elsewhere, but by now I reckon it’s Public Domain. Live it down, FIBbers!
Ron Paul Says Abolish the FBI, Don’t Just Review and Reform It
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2022/august/12/ron-paul-says-abolish-the-fbi-don-t-just-review-and-reform-it/ (video at link)
After the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raid and seizure at Donald Trump’s home this week, there has been much talk, including from United States Congress members, about holding hearings concerning the FBI and implementing reforms of the FBI.
One former Congress member, though, says such actions do not go far enough. Ron Paul, who served in the House of Representatives as a Republican from Texas for over 20 years during which he twice sought the Republican presidential nomination, says that what is needed is the abolition of the FBI.
Dr. Paul does NOT support investigations/commissions, he says those are just fake reforms, often they make things worse–he’s seen enough of those in his career. Also in the interview, he says the CIA was involved in JFK’s assassination.
Ron Paul does not fool around. He goes where many fear to tread.
The FBI is a criminal and terrorist organization which needs to be prosecuted under RICO.
DC archivist Fierero said he saw someone following Trump as he left the White House. That bothered him so instead of going thru channels he contacted DOJ in violation of his own directive. On his whim alone. Not political (sarc).
She’s lying.
That was someone carrying a white box.
Did Newsweek plagiarise Sundances 4 part article, then add a lefty slant to it?
I’m wondering
Don’t think so. The guy who wrote the piece for Newsweek has been around a long time and has an extensive background with US intelligence. Someone on the inside is apparently feeding him info.
Didn’t SD give permission a few days ago for his research to be freely copied and shared? Might Newsweek have known that and used it to their advantage?
I’m looking at this raid more like an inquiry to what evidence, President Trump might have on the crimes the deep state has committed.
They need to start making documents that defend the actions they took.
So, it’s not about a single document it’s about deflecting what’s possibly coming in the future.
This is why from here on out it is going to be so much fun. Have you ever kicked a very docile looking fire-ant hill?
Not so much an inquiry. They KNOW what he has….Meadows sent it back to be redacted. They want to throw the “ongoing criminal investigation” blanket over it so Trump cannot make public or use it.
I wonder how that impacts Durham, tho I did see he filed some stuff indicating he will be using “classfied” info in the Danchenko trial
Considering the whole Russian Collusion thing was a provable hoax, the only evidence Trump might be holding could only be incriminating to the American Gestapo and/or Democrat KGB (err.. I mean the FBI and DOJ). The deep state is in desperation mode.
FBlie lawyer lisa page examines DJTs “stash”
😁😂🤣
Could it be that the target was information about the bugging of the Oval Office and the Green Room just before Trump took Office. This could only be done with the knowledge of Obama, as he was using the office during these days. It could be the FBI is trying to save Obama rather than harming Trump
I’ve been waiting waiting waiting for years now for more information on
“We found gold in those walls !”
The first domino could be the documents that confirm the following. What will they do to prevent it.
Their Double Agent knew the Russia Hoax was a lie before it started. Therefore, Brennan and Comey knew and approved before July 2016, when Peter Strzok opened a counterintel investigation into Trump’s camp dubbed “Crossfire Hurricane”. It follows, everything down stream must be tainted.
Patel reminds us, were subpoenaed by the Intel Committee long ago but never turned over. These make it clear that Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok knew — before Crossfire Hurricane was opened — that the Trump-Russia story was full of lies paid for by the DNC and Hillary’s campaign.
https://stream.org/michael-sussmann-on-trial-day-1/
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Sundance wrote
“All of this context outlines the extent to which the FBI/CIA was openly involved in constructing a political operation that eventually settled upon anyone in candidate Donald Trump’s orbit. The international operations of the Intelligence Branch were directed by the FBI/CIA; and the domestic operations were coordinated by Peter Strzok operating with a foot in both agencies. [Strzok gets CIA service coin]
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/12/the-surveillance-and-political-spying-operations-highlighted-by-john-durham-are-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/#more-227462“
President Trump is so brilliant compared to the Deep state. After the friendly investigation in June, I bet he went thru everything, got backups and removed most.
I bet he has Russiagate evidence and it is elsewhere.
Trump is also cunning enough to set up a “leak” and they thought they had a mole. lol.
Agree. He also has casino surveillance technology and could have watched and Listened to agent’s conversations in his storeroom. Before (in June) and during raid. Unbeknownst to the criminals.
If this Newsweek story is true, which it seems to be, then my guess after reading some of the comments in this thread is that the DOJ is too late. Trump knows they spy on him and knew they would come for the docs at some stage. So Trump probably has distributed multiple paper copies to his lawyers, along with his order proving declassification of these documents, and that they are all scanned and on multiple thumb drives in a variety of physical locations with a number of people. My guess is that Trump assumes any computer he has will be compromised, any physical store he has can be threatened and any electronic transmission of these docs will be intercepted.
Bongino had dinner with Trump after the raid and Bongino reckons Trump is fired up and ready for the fight. Why did the deep state act now? My guess is that they are worried Trump will use these documents public in the midterms. If so, the DOJ will want to know what docs Trump has and they will want an order from a court to force Trump to return every copy he has of the documents including advising them of every person he gave a copy to. The problem is Trump can fight such an order in court to slow them down and he may have already submitted the documents to another court in his RICO case along with his document that proves he declassified all these documents. I assume the RICO case court will be loathe to let to a DC court stop it using evidence it has already accepted unless that court is its immediate superior or SCOTUS.
I think we should assume: 1. Trump has multiple copies of the docs, 2. Trump intends to use them in multiple ways, 3. Trump knows when and how he is going to use them, and 4. Trump has probably forced the Deep State to lay claim to the documents in a DC court which might play into Trump’s hands because in order to get the docs they have to tell Trump what the docs are and Trump will be able to tell everyone what documents the DOJ want.
Maybe Trump has goaded the DOJ into the raid by telling people he intends to make the docs public during the mid term campaign knowing that this would get back to the DOJ and force them to act rashly. But Trump would presumably do that only if he has already and secretly deployed the document – possibly in his RICO case and wants to force the DOJ out into the open.
If Trump has already submitted these docs in the RICO case then Trump has a great narrative – the DOJ wants documents that are currently being used as evidence of the DOJ unlawful behaviour, so the raid was to purely to cover up the DOJ’s crimes. The raid was the DOJ acting unlawfully to cover up its previous unlawful behaviour. That would be a very strong line to run and put the DOJ and FBI on the back foot – probably just in time to be questioned by a post mid term GOP majority House oversight committee.
If this scenario is right then the questioning would go on for years and frame the next Presidential election – it would be THE Presidential election issue.
I think the DOJ acted rashly, and perhaps even desperately in this matter. I suspect we are about to find out why fairly soon. I hope it is in response to a move by Trump and that Trump was ready for this eventuality and has his countermove ready to go and that the countermove is devastating.
Actual flushed the Secret Police rats out into the open with his RICO suit against the Obama/Clinton Syndicate. Brilliant.
All this “National Security” horseshit is just to keep it within the National Security Division by the same old Obama Trash who ran the last hundred Trump Frame-Ups. There is zero accountability at DOJ and less-than-zero at the NSD.
They stopped touching their own wives’ panties years ago IYKWIMAITYD.
Well said!
Kash Patel / Truth Social
https://truthsocial.com/@Kash/posts/108841405255541827
Join in CIA
If that was their plan then they are s**t out of luck. Their botched raid did Trump more good than the papers ever could have. Let them make their Russia claims, no one will ever believe them again. People will recognise it for what it is another try at stopping Trump!
Join in CIA to all this
Basic thought…
I do not know if this photo is legit…
If it is, President Trump and I are horrified!
Where are the White House uniform, coded and identified BOXES???!!! Holy crap, if this is the way boxes actually leave the WH, then this is the way they are delivered!!! LOL!!! PT, have at it!
This looks like a Washington DC dumpster fire. Well, no, this is probably lowly staff, so do not panic!
We expect the transfer to be more like this.
Yet, no chain of custody?
If the DODGe needs anything, just. GO. AWAY.
Only the FBI would be naive enough to think that Trump only kept a single copy of the evidence he has against them.
And filmed them confiscating it
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Trump Got’em – Huge Concerns About Peter Strzok Working for the CIA Are Likely at the Heart of Mar-a-Lago RAID
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/breaking-exclusive-trump-gotem-huge-concerns-peter-strzok-working-cia-likely-heart-mar-lago-raid/
Excerpt:
Sidney Powell was on Hannity last night on FOX News after the breaking news that her client, General Michael Flynn, had his case dismissed by the DOJ earlier in the day.
Powell shared:
This was a deliberate, malevolent, concerted effort to destroy an honest man and thereby get to the President of the United States to destroy him. There’s no doubt about it whatsoever. I would encourage people to read the actual documents themselves.
The governments own reports, the agents own notes, they’re all attached as exhibits to the government’s filing today and our filings in the last 10 days or so. It’s important for people to see it for themselves, the actual evidence in the government’s own handwriting and documents….
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Could Peter Strzok have worked for both the FBI and CIA, or only one entity? If that entity was the CIA, how could Peter Strzok have been fired from the FBI if he never worked for the FBI?
These are HUGE questions. Did the Deep State lie to President Trump when they claimed they fired Peter Strzok from the FBI because he never worked for the FBI? How could he have been fired from the FBI if he worked for the CIA?
Because strock was loaned to the cia as part of a joint task force. He was an fbi liaison to the cia. Worked double duty.
The one bit of interesting info in that article is a theory on the insurance policy I had never heard…..that it was getting rid of Flynn.
Apparently Strzok opened Crossfire Razor(?..Flynn) the day after the insurance text
I used the Treehouse search box at upper right and searched for “Strzok FBI/CIA” and came up with an old article or two about his dual affiliation
“FBI Agent Peter Strzok, was working as a bridge between the CIA and FBI counterintelligence operations.”
“However, there is an aspect to the domestic U.S. operation that also bears the fingerprints of the international intelligence apparatus; only this time, due to the restrictive laws on targets inside the U.S., the CIA aspect is less prominent. This is where FBI Agent Peter Strzok working for both agencies was important.
“Remember, it’s clear in the text messages Strzok had a working relationship with what he called their “sister agency”, the CIA. Additionally, former CIA Director John Brennan has admitted Strzok helped write the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) which outlines the Russia narrative; and Peter Strzok wrote the July 31st, 2016, “Electronic Communication” that originated FBI operation “Crossfire Hurricane.” Strzok immediately used that EC to travel to London to debrief allied intelligence officials connected to the Australian Ambassador to the U.K, Alexander Downer.
“In short, Peter Strzok acted as a bridge between the CIA and the FBI. The perfect type of FBI career agent for the Intelligence Branch and CIA Director John Brennan to utilize.”
Disinformation Panels, Corrupt FBI Activity, Govt Control over Speech in Social Media, The J6 Propaganda Effort, it is One Long Continuum
In the comments section:
WHITEFRANK
Strzok is third generation CIA. Calling him “FBI” when the FBI as it was has no longer even existed for decades is almost deliberately misleading.
The Gipper Lives
He was literally a hybrid FBI/CIA agent.
Invisigoth
CIA embeds their people in every agency. Would love to know why Strzok texted he received a CIA challenge coin.
The Most Corrupt FBI Agent in U.S. History Attempts to Divert Attention – Rachael Maddow Interviews Peter Strzok
Actually, there’s a bunch of articles outside treehouse, a search on duck duck for “Strzok CIA coin” brings back hits that include
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/fbis-strzok-father-worked-in-africa-for-companies-linked-to-funded-by-cia/
But I also recall Sundance writing specifically about Strzok’s dual FBI/CIA joint identity and this tidbit that
TheGipperLives mentioned on page 3 of the comments here
“Pretty sure Strzok was a special hybrid CIA/FBI officer which I read was created by Congress.”
But with simple searching I can’t find the article where Sundance wrote about that
Maybe Sundance will remember and retrieve, if it aids current discussion
They say the coverup is always worse than the crime. If true, may the criminals behind this travesty of justice rot in prison.
Overthrowing the the US Government is not a small crime.
All this death and destruction never needed to happen.
As the facts/truth keep coming out this looks to be more and more like treason.
What the hell is really going on?
People are starting to recognize it as treason. The “Bad Guys” have known it all along. It is why they are desperate and in panic. They are literally fighting for their lives. Hillary didn’t say “nooses” for no reason.
Whose actions are you referencing? Is your “death and destruction” a reference to Covid? Is your “overthrowing of the government” a reference to Crossfire Hurricane?
I ask because your comment could also have been written by Liz Cheney or Adam Schiff! Hence, I don’t know if I can agree or not!
Try reading the article.
Reeeeeee
What’s going on is they’re continuing with their project to gut the American government they’ve captured in their coup. Trump has to die or be imprisoned before the coast is clear for these traitors.
The “round-heads” had the same debate over King Charles I in the British Civil War. After they captured the King, the argument was to have the Monarch reformed or kill him after a trial for treason. Cromwell chose the later and used military force to “guide” Parliament’s vote. New England’s Puritans were prominently present is that travesty. Pride’s Purge is upon us.
“Let’s go Brandon!”
“What is going on?”
WE are fans at a Chamionship playoff football game, being played on old fashioned grass.
The night before the game, a thunderstorm rolled in and soaked the field.
So, within 5 minutes of the first kick-off, the players were so covered in mud even they had difficulty telling each other apart by uniform color, to say nothing of the crowd in the bleachers (us) or the announce up above.
But thats o.k. because in the morning a pea soup thick fog rolled in so thick most of the time we can’t see our hand in front of our face.
Occasionally it clears a little, and we actually get to see the players briefly, not that we can make much of that.
What about the announcer, you ask?(Media)
He’s been bribed by the opposing team (as have the refs) and so you can’t believe anything he says.
Oh, and if our team loses?
We all DIE
THATS whats going on.
So, sit down, snuggle in your blanket, and watch, er try to watch,..er experience the game of the millenium.
This is the actions of a cadre of soulless Swamp zombies, such as Merrick Garland, Joetato Biden and countless Deep State operatives of the ruling class. Not concerned with party affiliation, their goal is the acquisition and exercise of raw power. Some want to ‘fundamentally transform the Inited States of America’ into a neo-Communist state, some want to burn it all down, and all of them want to get rich. My belief is that their biggest fear is that Trump will retake the White House and, instead of ‘draining the Swamp’ will instead carpet bomb it into the Stone Age.
Go Donald!
The Great Reset of course or have you been living under a rock all this time. Pay more attention.
Well it appears some snivel servant saw something, heresay, and reported it to the Stasi FBI and DOJ who leaked the allegations to the media who wrote an article then the sleaze from the FBI and DOJ got a warrant based on heresay evidence via the media again? So it’s the whole Russia Russia again, the corrupt leak a fake story about Trump, they use said story to frame him for some fake crime and then use the fake crime to get a warrant. It worked the first couple of times, why change their third world crime book when the swamp loves some dirty cops and lawyers?