Just when you think the merge of medical science and technology couldn’t get more dangerous, a Swedish company called Epicenter steps forward to take electronic tracking to new heights of alarm.
You might think the concept of rice-sized microchip implants, for COVID vaccination passports, would be met with a resounding nope. Unfortunately, it seems there are many who are willing to embrace the idea. The Daily Mail has an article about the process {link}, which includes the following:
(Daily Mail) – […] Epicenter, a Stockholm-based startup, unveiled a new way of carrying around a COVID vaccine passport – in a microchip implanted under your skin. The implant can be read by any device using the near-field communication (NFC) protocol – technology used for contactless payments and keyless entry systems.
In a video shared by Epicenter, Hannes Sjöblad, chief distribution officer, has the chip in his arm and simply waves a smartphone over it to pull up his vaccination status. (read more)
From the perspective of personal liberty and privacy, there is no part of this that could possibly have a good long-term outcome. The vaccine passport concept alone is a massive intrusion into privacy and freedom. An implant to facilitate or streamline the process? Heck no!
As we previously noted, the architects of the Build Back Better society (WEF) are guiding various governments on ways to create efficient registration and compliance systems, ie. ways that permit citizens to prove their vaccinated and compliant status. However, as these discussions are taking place, perhaps it is prudent to pause and think very carefully.

Setting aside the issue of microchipping for a moment, right now, as you are reading this, under the guise of enhancing your safety, the U.S. Federal Government is in discussions with the medical community, multinational corporations and employers of citizens to create a more efficient process for you to register your vaccine compliance.
We know their conversation under the terminology of a COVID Passport. The current goal is to make a system for us to show and prove our authorized work status, which, as you know, is based on your obedience to a mandated vaccine.
Beta tests are being conducted in various nations, each with different perspectives and constitutional limitations, based on pesky archaic rules and laws that govern freedom.
For the western, or for lack of a better word ‘democratic‘ outlook, Australia, New Zealand and Europe are leading the way with their technological system of vaccination check points and registered state/national vaccination status tied to your registration identification.
New York City has recently joined the vaccine checkpoint process, as their city requires the vaccine to enter all private businesses.
The Australian electronic checkpoints are essentially gateways where QR codes are being scanned from the cell phones of the compliant vaccinated citizen. Yes comrades, there’s an App for that.
Currently, the vaccine status scans are registered by happy compliance workers, greeters at the entry to the business or venue. Indeed, the WalMart greeter has a new gadget to scan your phone prior to allowing you custody of a shopping cart.
In restaurants, the host or hostess has a similar compliance scanner to check you in prior to seating or a reservation confirmation.
It’s simple and fun. You pull up your QR code on your cell phone (aka portable transponder and registration device), using the registration App, and your phone is scanned delivering a green check response to confirm your correct vaccination status and authorized entry.
The Australian government, at both a federal and state level, is working closely with Big Tech companies (thirsting for the national contract) to evaluate the best universal process that can be deployed nationwide.
As noted by all six Premiers in the states down under, hardware (scanners) and software (registration) systems are all being tested to find the most comprehensive/convenient portable units to settle upon. Meanwhile in the U.S., cities like Los Angeles and New York await the beta test conclusion before deploying their own version of the same process.
In Europe, they are also testing their vaccine checkpoint and registration processes known as the EU “Green Pass.”
The “Green Pass” is a similar technological system that gives a vaccinated and registered citizen access to all the venues and locations previously locked down while the COVID-19 virus was being mitigated. What would have been called a “vast right-wing conspiracy theory” 24 months ago, is now a COVID passport process well underway.
As with all things in our rapid technological era, you do not have to squint to see the horizon and accept that eventually this process will automate, and there will be a gadget or scanning gateway automatically granting you access without a person needing to stand there and scan each cell phone QR code individually.
The automated process just makes sense. You are well aware your cell phone already transmits an electronic beacon enabling your Uber or Lyft driver access to your location at the push of a touchscreen button, another convenient App on your phone. So, why wouldn’t the gateways just accept this same recognizable transmission as registration of your vaccine compliant arrival at the coffee shop?
The automated version is far easier and way cooler than having to reach into your pocket or purse and pulling up that pesky QR code on the screen. Smiles everyone, the partnership between Big Tech and Big Government is always there to make your transit more streamline and seamless. Heck, you won’t even notice the electronic receiver mounted at the entry. Give it a few weeks and you won’t remember the reason you were laughing at Alex Jones any more than you remember why you are taking off your shoes at the airport.
However, as this process is created, it is worth considering that you are being quietly changed from an individual person to a product. Some are starting to worry in the beta test:
[…] “you must become an object with attributes sitting in a database. Instead of roaming around anonymously making all sorts of transactions without the government’s knowledge, Australians find themselves passing through ‘gates’. …
All product-based systems have these gates to control the flow of stock and weed out errors. It is how computers see things. The more gates, the more clarity.
You are updating the government like a parcel pings Australia Post on its way to a customer. If a fault is found, automatic alerts are issued, and you are stopped from proceeding. In New South Wales, this comes in the form of a big red ‘X’ on the myGov vaccine passport app (if you managed to link your Medicare account without smashing the phone to bits).
Gate-keeping systems have been adapted from retail and transformed into human-based crowd solutions to micromanage millions of lives with the same ruthless efficiency as barcodes tracking stock. There is no nuance or humanity in this soulless digital age. Barcodes are binary. Good – bad. Citizen or dissident.
Even if you have all the required government attributes to pass through the gates – two vaccines, six boosters, and a lifelong subscription to Microsoft – something could go wrong. If your data fails the scan, you’ll slip into digital purgatory and become an error message. (read more)
It could be problematic if your status fails to register correctly, or if the system identifies some form of alternate lifestyle non-compliance that will block you from entry. Then again, that’s what beta tests are for, working out all these techno bugs and stuff. Not to worry…. move along….
Then again… “For those in the privileged class allowed to shop, take note of Covid signs which encourage cashless transactions under the guise of ‘health’. Messaging around cards being ‘safer’ will increase until the Treasury tries to remove cash entirely, almost certainly with public approval.”
Wait, now we are squinting at that familiar image on the horizon because we know those who control things have been talking about a cashless society for quite a while.
We also know that data is considered a major commodity all by itself. Why do you think every system you encounter in the modern era requires your phone number even when you are not registering for anything. It, meaning you, us, are all getting linked into this modern registration system that is defining our status. We also know that system operators buy and sell our registered status amid various retail and technology systems.
Yeah, that opaque shadow is getting a little clearer now.
Perhaps you attempt to purchase dog food and get denied entry into Pet Smart because you didn’t renew the car registration. Or perhaps you are blocked from entry because you forgot to change the oil on the leased vehicle you drive, and Toyota has this weird agreement with some retail consortium. You head to the oil change place that conveniently pops up in the citizen compliance App –it’s only two blocks away– they clear the alert after they do the oil change, and you are gateway compliant again.
Missed your booster shot? We’re sorry citizen, your bank account is frozen until your compliance is restored… please proceed to the nearest vaccination office as displayed conveniently on your cell phone screen to open access to all further gates (checkpoints)…. tap to continue!
Earlier today, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki confirmed the definition of “fully vaccinated” is an arbitrary determination by some opaque panel within the bureaucracy of the U.S. healthcare industry. Being vaccinated is no longer being “fully vaccinated”, as the booster shots are soon to become part of the mandate. WATCH:
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It seems transparently obvious where this is heading:

We gave them a warning.
We gave them ” meme war ”
They did not listen……………..
Cry Havoc
Let’s Slip the dogs of war. Great poem and song by GBH
G.B.H. – War dogs
Shakespeare’s version wasn’t so bad either.
Hair metal band in the 80’s? I don’t recall that group.
Pink Floyd had a song by the name “Dogs of War”
Saw the Momentary lapse Of Reason tour in the US with a friend of mine who recently died (non-Covid)
hardcore punk from Britain. Mix of Punk & Metal.
loose the dogs…
Funny you should say that. FJB just got himself a new puppy that more than likely will bite too.
Dogs don’t like Biden
Major got offended when biden tried to get him in the shower with him. He had to make do with Major since daughter Ashley is all grown up now. So Major went rogue and broke biden’s foot and they had to send him to doggie heaven
That poor puppy. It costs about $5,000+ to professionally train a German Shepherd Dog for protection.
And worth every penny. They are great dogs.
Yes they are. Smart, Loyal, and Fierce
Some of these fools in Sweden were chipping themselves to get into places of work a few years back, cuz they were too lazy to carry a key/remember a code.
sunnydaze: I remember that. Chipping their hands to buy food.
Yes!
To buy food at Amazon shops!
That may have been in Seattle, tho?
Can’t remember.
Lefty Lunatics will fall for this world over.
You might go to the trouble of getting your nifty new vaccine-pass implant, only to find it’s been disabled because they’ve mandated yet another booster and consider you no longer – ahem – ‘fully vaccinated’ until you get it
Three Jab World: Boosterless French over-65s See Covid Passes Disabled
“Vaccinated French over-65s who have not yet received a booster vaccine will begin having their Covid passes disabled.”
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They shot one into James Bond’s forearm in Casino Royale (the remake with Daniel Craig). The beach scene in the Bahamas after his prior night’s paramour turned up dead.
Q could track his whereabouts, little blinking red light on a computer screen
Or was it M ?
I once went to the gas station to get 15 gallons of off road diesel for my tractor and then filled my pickup with gas. Darn if the credit card company didn’t freeze my card because they somehow thought getting diesel and gas at the same time was strange. I had to call and explain what I did for them to activate it again.
Filling up my motorhome’s 80 gal tank can be a real pain in the ass due to CC limitations !
OOOPS your chip says you only get 5 gal this week.
If you had stopped to buy some fertilizer before heading to the gas station, 20 FBI agents would have shown up.
/s
Not just, I’m J and J, did it cos I have to go to Paris for work (and seeing the conditions I felt it was sanitary to do so). My pass is no longer valid (Dec 15). I don’t really care for restaurants etc. Probably will never go to another major concert. However, they are now floating making boosters mandatory for work IN GENERAL. So having their shot isn’t enough now. You need 4 monthly updates.
Interestingly both bosses’ union and workers union agree (doesn’t happen often) this is a bad idea.
Best of luck, Esperanza.
Unbelievable.
Unfortunately no, been calling it for years.
Mark…Beast…
Yep.
Revelation 14:9 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
I realize that there will be (are) many antichrists and false prophets. Too many to count tight now, but Bergoglio and Fauci are near the tops of my lists. Wake up folks, we’re already in what’s called the “end times”. Make sure you choose wisely! Only God saves.
How hard is this to see?WEF pushing the One World Government from which emerges the anti-christ, and oh what a shocker, a mark needed to buy or sell.
I don’t see how it could be any more obvious. In addition to chips, Andrew Yang during the Death Party primaries suggested a digital barcode tattoo, placed on the hand of course, which could be waved over a scanner to indicate vaccination status. Probably social credit score as well and all other personal information. The tattoo would need to be resistant to deteriorating in sunlight so it would contain the enzyme luciferase for that purpose. It was developed at MIT with funding from Gates
Tattooed on the arm /sarc
And hence the normalisation of tattoos since the 90s. For those without God, what’s one more mark on the body?
I’m beginning to wonder if Gates is the antichrist. He seems to be at the core of and funding all things evil.
I just commented elsewhere in this thread. This Christian-oriented movie from 2014 is / was prescient about chips, and what it portends after:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2512236/
It was obviously made on a budget, but I believe is worth viewing; perhaps especially by those for whom the “Christian genre” movie is not their usual fare.
Ben Garrison exposes the elephant in the room.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ben-garrison-exposes-elephant-room
…and how easy it is for them to edit your chip if you don’t please the masters in some way – you’ll simply be switched off and will no longer be able to participate in society.
This is the true purpose of the chip and anyone who does this is a fool.
I don’t care if it does land me in Federal Prison… I see a business opportunity with all this newfangled hackable technology.
“you’ll simply be switched off”
Three Jab World: Boosterless French over-65s See Covid Passes Disabled
Shocker.
We’re about 6 months into this Vaxxport bullcrap… it ain’t gonna end well for the Pfascists, I can tell you that.
I don’t plan on participating in society anyway.
Right-wing basement hackers will ruin this system. How can they scan humanity if the systems are constantly hacked? US cyber security is a joke since we’re purposely set up for everything to leak to our “allies”.
Once they roll it out they’ll be shocked when red states start having 15x the “malfunctions”.
They’ll also be shocked when Wal-Mart gets looted… by Whites. Looting – no chip required!
A few well placed rounds, at high power transmission areas, into transformers could end this quickly. Oil drains, transformer overheats and fries. Hit every transformer from multiple positions. No power, no scanning. Do that country wide and it’ll take a LONG time for them to replace all those cans…. of course people may suffer, but do we suffer under the mark or suffer for a better day?
Just sayin….
🙂
Would 12 ga. sabot rounds do the trick? Asking for a friend.
I’m sure it would, but a friend may recommend .300 win mag, .308, etc. 400-500 yards out gives a fella a chance to fight another day once the job is done as eventually there would be ringed security around high priority zones. Just something for friends to consider
I’ve been wondering if thats what the FBI/CIA steered Afghan “refugees” are going to do. Hundreds of their Garland Tx ops?
Quite possibly. Staged a FF then blame folks like us. I am not to the above mentioned point yet. I hope for a peaceful outcome, but at the same time it can’t hurt to start brainstorming the “what ifs”….
But again, I am sure some the folks crossing our border are coming for a calculated reason….
If these monsters get away with this the human race will be doomed to slavery.
WWWJD ?
what would Waylon Jennings do ?
‘ Beats all you never saw , been in trouble with the law since the day they was born ….’
( I almost feel sorry for them bastards ,,,,,, almost )
Makin their way the only way they know how….
Just some good ol’ boys, never meanin no harm…
Jungle’s a big place, lady… you could always go back there, ya know.
Yet they are for mass immigration of the third world into the West to destroy it. It’s a huge contradiction/confliction. Doesn’t make sense and I love to point this out to everyone, but especially the watermelons, they are literally tongue tied when I point this out
The goal is to clean out the free thinking middle class and replace them w/the 3rd Worlders that will do and follow what they say.
It’s part of the plan to destroy Western culture and values. But if one acknowledges this, the woke smear them as “Xenophobic”. When enough reach the “I don’t give a damn point”, that’s when the globalist will be stripped of their power. I’m an unapologetic American Nationalist…and my default is, and has been “don’t give a damn” Freedom is a choice
Yes, the Great Replacement. Afghan “evacuees”, along with Somalis and Iraquis, are being dumped here now in this 96 percent white region. The local fluff/propaganda rag says we should “welcome” them. Do we have a choice? There is a reason that Africa has such a low vaccination rate, 6 percent. They are being preserved to replace people of white Western European heritage
I’d welcome them with total isolation, refuse to speak to them, sell to them, interact with them, they do not exist. Make life so isolated and hard for these parasites that going back to the sh!thole they crawled out of is preferable. We still have freedom of association. I will not speak or interact with the newly dumped 4′ x 6′ indios from Central America that are cropping up in my bailiwick. F’em. I didn’t say it was OK for them to be imported.
The Bolsheviks have made previous dumps in Maine, Minnesota, and Michigan. I expect WVA drives them crazy, poor, white, and safe, which destroys the “economics=crime cultural marxist lie.
All the things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the non-Christian influence on our society was at the same level as 500 years ago.
(oh snap!)
So, all these eugenisists should first take care of themselves. They are excess baggage as well, no? Actually, I looked it up. Eugenisists originally wanted to breed people for desirable traits, like race horses. The idea of randomly exterminating people must come straight from Satan.
I cannot believe how quickly this has come upon us. We really do have to stop them now.
I have a cousin who has a child who is autistic, Downs, and non-verbal. That child would be at the top of these monsters’ lists of “undesirables” yet she is a blessing and a light in the family. God knows His business. These creeps better leave God’s business to God.
Kleen: Now that is true vaccine hesitancy.
For the same lack of liability shield they are hesitant to vaccinate our illegal border crossers.
That is telling. Why would they want to vax us and not them? Our replacements.
A society that can’t stop fidgeting with their iWidgets is all-in on the convenience of Cyborg Healthcare Implants.
You will own nothing… but at least you will have a free 5G Unlimited Data Plan to keep you busy.
… he proclaims, while browsing the Internet and flossing his teeth…
As I write this electric toothbrushes can be linked via Bluetooth to your “Omni”.
Beeg Brother will know if you are practicing approved dental hygiene….
I never understood what was wrong with regular toothbrushes or regular floss, or setting your own thermostat, or planning ahead and leaving a light on if you will return after dark, or manually setting your water heater, or manually checking your engine oil via dipstick. I hate this “let the computer do everything for you” laziness. I really do. It’s turning our minds to mush and making us passive and dependent. I urge everyone to break free as much as you can and to plan ahead for yourselves and your families to be self-sufficient as possible in conjunction with like-minded neighbors and family.
I have had teeth problems my entire 69 yrs and find my ultrasonic tooth brush a wonderful thing. I do not however understand why anyone would want it to talk to a cell phone.??
I’m not sure it’s laziness rather than arrested adulthood. Responsibly (adulthood) and freedom are two sides of the same coin.
In my wife’s car I must step on the brake, push a button on the shift handle, and then pull it to the reverse position if I want to go backwards.. Three deliberate acts and yet the muther@#$%ing must BEEP to notify me it’s in reverse!
This is the truth. Tech has ruined so much that was great about living, especially self-reliance and the sense of well-being that stems from it. Whether it was by design or not at the time it was being developed, it has succeeded in weakening the will of the individual. It has proven the perfect tool to bend us to the will of the collective. Many live in constant terror of disapproval by their peers in the tech hive.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. managed quite efficiently without smart technology.
Germany in the thirties methodically implemented more and more laws and rules separating the ‘pure’ from the ‘impure’ before going directly to their ‘final solution.’ All the while many never realized the depths of depravity behind each incremental step.
Seems like we’re in the midst of a post modern repeat performance, with different methods and implements to achieve a similar objective.
The Communists loved many facets of National Socialism.
“I’m not mad about his tailor.”- James Bond- “From Russia With Love”
Incremental steps is key.
I think Dave Rubin recently showed two very short powerful clips, one of Jordan Peterson and one of a 94-yr-old concentration camp survivor who each spoke about this from different perspectives.
Peterson spoke about how the left advances a little bit, and then we back up. Then they advance a bit more, and we back up. And so it goes until we find ourselves in a truly direct situation in part, of our own making, because we kept backing up.
The concentration camp survivor spoke about what you shared, about Hitler’s incremental steps that narrowed and narrowed and increasingly cut off the lives of Jews. And how at each step, Jews accommodated it, finding ways to brush it off and rationalize how life could still go on despite whatever the most recent edict was. Until…. we know the rest.
So I sometimes wonder when I hear/read people talk of the insanity in Australia or Canada or the UK, etc. And, yes, it is insane in all those places. And I talk about it as well. But look what we’ve got going on right here in the United States!
We are the proverbial frogs in the pot of boiling water as the incremental steps advance each and every day. And we back up. And we accommodate.
Beck spoke to this years ago, and hubby before that! Speaking of Jordan Peterson, 2 weeks ago, 2 men walked into our favorite Nashville honky tonk. Appeared to be father and son, very well dressed and the elder gent looked very familiar, but the younger one got my attention because he reminded me of my grandson. They sat for awhile, but I couldn’t place them and we have seen celebrities many times there. Next day, hubby sees on facebook a picture of Jordan with one of our musician friends! I was thrilled to see him well after his long and somewhat strange illness/absence.
Jordan got the death jab. Now regrets it
Peterson is past his “sell by date” if there ever was one.
Have you all been listening to the talking heads? Everyone in this sorry misAdminsitration keeps saying and their propagandists keep spouting that “It’s never going back to the normal we knew before Certificate of Vaccination IDentification-19” Why not? Who says? Let’s call their bluff. It WILL go back to normal or we will riot and burn the entire country down until it does. We have nothing to lose but our chains at this point.
WWII was a dress rehearsal
Yes but Big Tech and its allies now wield the power to accomplish these things covertly. More slow boiling of us “frogs”.
Cut off communications & logistics lines. Basic military tactics
I swear, I’ve always thought it was creepy to put these chips in dogs.
I know, a lot of people disagree w/ me on that.
But I just …..can’t.
My friend regretted it with his dog. Claimed it gave his dog cancer.
These implants could so easily be made to bring harm on command.
The original “chip” company in the 80s put out a propaganda piece stating that they were in talks with the military for just such a purpose.
Years later they reported contracts signed !
5g?
Not to mention whatever the hell is in the Vaxx.
Self-assembling neuro-lace?
Dean Koontz hasn’t put out any book since this bit started…
you are familiar with radio wave directed at crowds to control them. it heats their insides like a microwave (very simple, microwaves are set to the frequence of water, vibrate water its makes an exothermic reaction equivalent to heat)…
same principle – instead lace a target with a material you desire, and set the radio wave to that materials frequency to vibrate it to an exothermic heat).
why would you not just use microwave? because you want to make the weapon specialized so it only hurts laced farm animals, and not Animal Herders ( or Proxies)
https://4thamendmentrestored.com/f/welcome-to-animal-pharm
nanokillbot injection, or a lethal dose of fentanyl
That was probably the eternal rabies shots…
I am amazed at the list of vaccines my dog supposedly needs, despite never keeping company with other dogs (or people). I turn them all down except the initial required when a puppy, and the current rabies (since FL requires a license fee every year, and they’ll send you a letter to that effect).
Noticed how fast they got dogs off of Trifexis?
The chips move around in the body also…maybe it will be different for humans. Not.
Leftists will be told their chip isn’t moving and that’s a right-wing conspiracy theory. Pictures that document it will be called fake. Deaths will be ignored.
At no point will they wake up until they themselves are in the camps. Even then they’ll be exactly like so many before them. “There has been a mistake. I am loyal to the regime.”
in history many in the camps never woke up….
THIS THREAD IS PHENOMENAL!
Freedom as a service.
I just skimmed it–wow, lot of info and connections to unpack. Thanks for posting! Going back for a slower read now.
Wow. The connections are amazing, just like the banks. It’s all connected.
We do need to build back better but not the way THEY think.
Do we start eliminating THEM now or just wait until they eliminate US? Where’s the the line in the sand, People? This doesn’t end well.
I posted an interview w/ this guy Hannes Sjoblad a couple weeks ago that was just soooo creepy, with that permanent smirky smile on is face.
Not seeing it at the DM article. Gonna try to find it again.
Steven Speilberg. MINORITY REPORT. Thought Police. Eye Scans. Sheeple. We’re pretty much there NOW.
Why not just tattoo your vaccination registration number on the inside of your forearm? The more technology advances, the more its uses stay the same.
There must be something about these shots. …………….…. Hmmm
it sure has nothing to do with covid/flu
They must eliminate the control group to hide the cause of the side effects/feature not flaw.
Nothing Like Having Borg-Approved Implants!
“However, as this process is created, it is worth considering that you are being quietly changed from an individual person to a product.”
Yeah, tell us all about it. We strive to achieve ultimate perfection of the synthetic. Carbon-based ogano-lifeforms are weak and pathetic meat socks!
I am a meat popsicle
Dunno. I’m pretty hefty. I think I’m a meat sack.
Much to done about nothing.
Think about it. If we don’t comply they have nothing. THEY think they’re immune to alternative actions.
They think mass starvation will force the issue
I think starving Americans, in their millions, would be willing to follow ANYONE AT ALL.
The first strong, charismatic man to name names and say what should really be done about it will lead the century.
We’ve become addicted to outrage discussions. The only things I’ve seen come of most of it distortion of the facts, fear and hysteria. It’s an excellent, and IMO, often a purposeful tool used to keep us distracted and busy while they are slowly advancing and conquering.
They conquer nothing if we don’t comply. F’em. I’m set. I don’t need them. They need me and their narcissistic supply they get from torturing me and making me run around in a maze like one of Skinner’s rats. I will deprive them of that supply. Everyone should.
I agree with you Gar, all your posts the past few days, but many are complying and they have been conquering. That is just a fact. 9 days my mom has been hospitalized with COVID and will not allow me past the front desk. My daily life is outside their sphere of power until it’s not. They have conquered the medical establishment.
Oh, oldschool. I am so sorry to hear your Mom is in the hospital with covid. 9 days is a long stretch. I am keeping you in my prayers that all will be well…
Thank you so much Sarah. That is very kind of you and very much appreciated.
“Men think in herds, go mad in herds, but recover their senses one by one.” — Charles Mackay
What companies are members of the WEF?
All the big Fortune 666 big shots.
It’s less “membership”… as in an exclusive club… and more Church Of Scientology For Big Business Globalists.
<What companies are members of the WEF?>
There’s a ton…see them by clicking on first letter:
https://www.weforum.org/partners#search
Thanks bro.
I wonder if those in charge realize that’s a Red Flag. I guess not!
They’re showing four aces and smirking. They haven’t watched many Western movies.
All of the sudden movies like Elysium, Blade Runner, Gattica and Minority Report don’t seem so farfetched anymore. If you wanna participate in society you gotta get chipped. The un-chipped will be consigned to work camps outside the wall.
I’ll get chipped before I saw my shin bones in half, I can tell you that.
The Mike Judge movie “Idiocracy” for the win. Love the scene where Not Sure gets his wrist barcode tattoo.
“Un-scannable”!!!
And they thought we were tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. Very disturbing this is even entertained by anyone.
We watched What’s Up Doc? movie last night. And then later I watched Dazed and Confused. I know, not the most wholesome, but those were days long gone by when we could greet our loved ones at the airport and we could go in and out of our schools. My heart aches for those days.
Treepers, I have had Covid since the 15th and I am back sliding again. I have massive mucus production again in my nose and trying to keep it out of my chest, head swollen, low grade temp in the head, but I have suffered from bronchitis that consisted of an expiratory wheeze since 11/20 and it was never fully resolved when I got Covid. I also had my last dose of a five day course of Prednisone when I tested positive so I was immune suppressed going into this, taking the steroid at the wrong time. I started Ivermectin same day on the 15th at the .4mg/kg. Friday I got the Regen-Cov antibodies. That night I spiked a temp of 101 and felt flu like. The next day I took .6 mg/kg dose and it seemed I had gotten up over it. Sunday, I was feeling the effects of the high ivermectin dose so waited about 5-6 extra hours later that evening to take my 5th and supposedly last dose back at the .4 mg/kg. Well, that was a mistake, because later that evening same time, I started producing lots of mucus again, and into today and I am doing nasal rinses, nebulized hydrogen peroxide that I don’t even know is good for me, and have taken a 6th dose of ivermectin at .6 mg /kg again. I only have 3 more days of pills and a couple tubes of horse paste left. I am having to nebulize also with albuterol and budesonide twice a day due to the previous bronchitis with albuterol inhaler in between because I have poor expiratory output now. I am also having my husband do percussion cupping on my back to loosen whatever in my chest.
The nebulized hydrogen peroxide helped beat it back out of my nose a couple days ago but this Covid seems to be very aggressive in wanting to replicate. And I don’t know if it’s also because I had to take care of my other newly Covid teen son in his room yesterday, even thought I wore an n-95, I probably got blasted with virus. So did my husband but he is over it and so is my other older teen son. They both finished their IVM a couple days ago and also had the monoclonal antibodies same Friday. They’ve done very well. I can’t seem to conquer this and I’m very disturbed if I am going to end up being another cautionary tale. But believe me, I would have been one of those who would have either died or became maimed from the useless mRNA vaccines. And I already know from experience, if I would have suffered, they’d kick me off to psych and/or functional medicine to get metal chelation. So, no, the vaccine wouldn’t have helped me, especially if I don’t have much of an immune system apparently.
I am only putting one or two drops of food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide in 5 ml of normal saline. I don’t know what any of you all choose who have done it but I am being conservative with Dr. Brownstein’s recipe, whoever he is, as opposed to Dr. Mercola who’s got a higher concentration. Also doing nasal drops of iodine 1% per protocol via Neil Med nasal rinse. I will NOT nebulize iodine.
I am also taking NAC 2 x day, bromelain once daily, Vitamin D 4000 units daily, Vitamin C 4000 mg twice a day ( I have limited amount of liposomal), Quercetin 250 mg, now once a day (FLCCC doctors now reporting Quercetin can have drug interaction with IVM? so once a day). Zinc 50 mg twice a day, l-lysine 600 mg once daily, lactoferrin 250 mg once daily, Vitamin B12 1000 mg/day, Vitamin K2 MK-7, C0q10 with Vit E and Selenium, nigella sativa and honey, turmeric twice daily per protocol. 2 baby aspirin and melatonin 3 mg time release. I am new to melatonin so can’t do a 10 mg tablet.
Has anyone not recovered quickly after having all I have? I am worried I’m on a slide down to the hospital if I can’t get rid of this, or if this is still the bronchitis but either way, it’s come back as if I’m getting sick again starting in the nose and trying to go into my chest. My O2 sats have been 97-99% thus far.
I have inquired again a local IV infusion place for high dose IV Vit C. But they mix it in with other stuff and I am trying to find out if I can get the Vit C by itself because I can’t take niacin due to my liver but they never answered the last time.
Also, am trying to get a hold of Dr. Wagshul’s nurse practitioner. I had an appointment scheduled with him Wed the day I was positive and had to reschedule, this was for my bronchitis. But I am now seeking consult for the Covid as there is no one else for me to speak to.
Do any of you have any other ideas of where I’m lacking? Did any of you have a harder time getting over it after having all I have? How long did it take to finally work? I had stopped Airborne that has a lot of vitamins and herbs when I started ivermectin because apparently IVM has an interaction with echinacea per drugs.com. So, now I’ve ordered Vitamin A but who knows when that will arrive. I tried taking Magnesium chelated bisglycinate but I had bowel issues with that and haven’t tried again. I don’t know what else to do. I have a sensitive liver that on one test shows I have entered NASH instead of just non-alcoholic fatty liver disease so there’s no way I could take anything like wormwood or somesuch.
I’m about ready to pass out from exhaustion but if anyone has anything else that might be helpful, I’d appreciate it but I might not see it until the morning. So thank you in advance. If all you can offer is prayers, I’d appreciate that, too.
I appreciate Sundance letting me ask here.
Zpack & higher dose of IVM…? I think the protocol calls for up to 3x normal by weight for Delta. My friend did that & felt better in 2 days but still on O2, but not as bad. 🙏🏻
Thanks, Sue, I don’t know if my normal PCP will write for z-pack, especially since I got one for the bronchitis before. I am now at 3x dose. I guess those monoclonal antibodies didn’t do squat for me.
I’m no expert by any measur, but is it possible you have pneumonia?
I had COVID pneumonia and they sent me home from ER because, like you, my o2 levels were not too low. They said there was nothing they could give me, but I went home took antibiotics; 500 mg of cephalexin twice daily and when those ran out I took amoxicillin. I saw immediate results so I think it was possible I had a secondary infection in addition to the COVID pneumonia.
I have no idea how antibiotics will interact with your other treatments or if will help you. .
Praying for you Kace.
Thanks, Elle, where did you get the antibiotics if they said there was nothing they could give you?
I don’t think I have pneumonia yet but am worried about this taking hold in my lungs, it’s all proliferating in my nose right now and post nasal drip but I do sometimes have a productive cough, I am hoping I am getting it all out because when I had the expiratory wheeze, it was non-productive and my lungs were still clear then per CXR.
FWIW I take a lot of melatonin.
Melatonin Inhibits COVID-19-induced Cytokine Storm by Reversing Aerobic Glycolysis in Immune Cells: A Mechanistic Analysis
Thank you, I should up the dose then and at least do 6 mg this evening. I did know about the CD 147 pathway.
Hope it helps!
All the best. You will get through this.
Kaco, some of what you wrote is encouraging. Stay very well hydrated and try to keep the humidity level up in the house. It’s hard this time of year when it’s cold and dry. Don’t know if you have an in-line humidification system, or can, at least use a vaporizor and if you’re too weak to stand safely in the shower, to at least let it run and sit in the bathroom and breathe in the steamy air. I knew someone who got covid early who said she had to do this for 3 wks before things started to turn around. She didn’t get worse, but it took a while to get better. Hang in there, take care, and let those who love you take care of you, as well.
My second thought as well. Persistent cough & issues like yours lasting this long may warrant a chest x-ray. If your doctor doesn’t have x-ray at their office see if they will give you an order to get one performed that way you won’t sit in the ER (exposed to other sick people) for hours waiting.
I might end up going to this stand alone ER and see about a CXR today to check on it, thank you.
To all Treepers: Please check out the link below. Our family has been using fomentations for decades and I’ve seen it work extremely well on very ill patients. Please study the information to help yourself and those around you. Hydrotherapy is simple but requires a bit of effort from the one administering it. It can’t be sold to make a profit for those in medicine, so many are not aware of its benefits.
https://www.traditionalhydrotherapy.com/Techniques/F
Kaco: I’ve overcome 5 serious bladder infections in years past by using cranberry extract, garlic and mega doses of vitamin C. This happened over a 72 hour period taking 18,000 mg day 1, 24,000 mg day 2 and 14,000 mg on day 3 of Vit. C. I can’t say enough good about Vit. C. It worked for me.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you! Please look into the hydrotherapy.
Thank you very much, I will look this over. Funny enough, I just came across this video a few days ago that talks about mimicking a temperature because the study had shown, those who did not mount a good immune response in the beginning seemed to go on to develop worse Covid later. Now not my husband nor oldest son had temps throughout but they did get over it just as easily. My youngest did spike fever of about 101 also, but now he is moving past it with only two more doses of IVM for him. I had the one fever spike of 101, evening after monoclonal antibodies and that’s it.
So, the Vitamin C, you took 18K mg day one, 24K mg day 2, 14K mg day 3? What form of Vitamin C did you take? Do you have a link to the cranberry extract and garlic supplements you used?
ETA: in looking at your link (remove F at the end), is there a particular therapy you would recommend for my condition?
Thanks, I think I figured out which one you do.
https://www.traditionalhydrotherapy.com/Techniques/Fomentations.html
This is interesting, I don’t know anything about hydrotherapy, thanks for the link.
My only concrete advice would be to suggest cutting back a little, on the lyposomal vit. c.
Lyposomal means much more of what you take, actually gets into the cells, so you don’t need 8000mg/day, when taking it in lyposomal form; I would say 1-2000mg/day is plenty.
You said you have a limited supply, it will go a lot farther.
My other advice is not to freak out. Others have said it CAN be a biotch, and a feeling of impending doom is one of the symptoms. Many who have recovered have said they THOUGHT they were gonna die, and obviously didn’t.
Also, you don’t mention aspirin, to prevent the cytocine storm? Or curcumin,…
The bronchitis just before, and the immune suppresive steroids, definetly set you up for a rough time, but doesn’t mean you are DOOMED, just means you are going to have a harder time than hubby and kids.
Have confidence that you WILL survive, then let go and let God. Praying for your recovery.
kako,
One other suggestion, take it or not, up to you;
The idea starts with the fact that many infections die as a result of the patient getting a fever.
This is because the virus’s that develop to infect humans, thrive and reproduce in a dark, moist environment, at 98.6 degrees.
So, you MUST have someone to assist you (hubby?) because you are deliberately going to raise your temperature, and getting dizzy or passing out IS a possibility.
You turn up the heat, in the house, and get the bed ready with lots of blankets, electric blanket even better.
Then you get in the empty bath tub, and run the water, as hot as you can stand it, and as you get used to it, evenn making it a little hotter.
Fill the tub, till only your head isn’t submerged, and stay in it, for quite awhile, adding more hot water to kerp it hot.
When you get out is when you need the assistance. Dry off quickly, put on warm pajamas and get immediately in the bed and cover up.
I have no idea if this will work for Covid, but it works well for “common cold” which is a covid family virus, and it works for influenza as well.
Again, praying for your quick recovery.
This intervention is only reasonable within a certain temperature range. Beyond a certain range, it’s not wise to do and in fact can be quite dangerous. At that point, it’s critical to cool the body down and get the temp back into a more normal range.
Dutchman, thank you. I had posted the video above talking about this very thing.
Do you think it would work since the virus is mostly replicating in my head and nasal passages?
I am trying hard to beat it back so it doesn’t progress into the next phase.
The body is amazing and yes, fevers are useful. Unless you are running a dangerously high temp, not a fan of any extreme measures. Take some aspirin and cool clothes on forehead. Warm covers, fluids, rest. Let the body do it’s thing.
I only may have a low grade right now and it might only be atelectasis.
I feel worse all over today body wise, energy is all out, I’m also in the throes of the high dose IVM either that or the Covid spreading all over my body.
A dx of atelectasis can only be made by a doc, aided by chest xray. It would seem the IVM is not helping and could be causing more problems. We have never had enough study on vaxx, but we haven’t had enough on Hydrox, IVM either.
I would encourage you to go as natural as possible. Let your body rest and heal. At this point, there is no way to tell what is causing some of your issues. You are strong Kaco. You will get through this.
Thanks, Dutchman, it is hidden in there, two baby aspirin and the turmeric. I have a bottle of the Qunol brand liquid Turmeric.
The bad thing is, I just had an EGD last Monday before being positive, showed two ulcers and I was not supposed to take blood thinners for seven days. Well, I finally started two days ago, just two baby instead of one full strength. I don’t know what to do there.
Kaco,
What an awful time you’re having battling this illness! I was thinking of you the past couple of days because I hadn’t seen your name on any threads, especially those about covid as I know this has been a passionate interest of yours. What you’re going through sounds like a horrible ordeal – physically and mentally.
I remember you expressing a lot of anxiety about not having any medical resources if you or a family member were to contract covid, but from this post, it sounds like you have an NP. So that’s good.
And your O2 stats are excellent, so that’s also encouraging.
I would urge you not to stress yourself about the topic of vaccines. You need all your energy to fight whatever is going on in your body.
I think Elle has a good point about ruling out pneumonia. I would assume you have some health care services where someone could order a chest x-ray if you (or they) thought it would be prudent to do at this point.
As for genuine encouragement, I can tell you I knew a number of people who got covid early on and were quite ill. They were elderly and truly had a rough time. But every single one of them recovered. It was not an easy journey, but they recovered. Completely.
It seems like everyone’s journey with covid is very different, from no symptoms to severe disease and everything in between.
And you’re only a few days post diagnosis and the course can go up and down. Also, as you shared, you hit up against covid in a compromised position due to the bronchitis just prior and the steroids, so your body is having to work a bit harder to fight this virus.
It sounds as if you’re throwing the kitchen sink at this, but without a lot of medical guidance (or perhaps I’m making an erroneous assumption about that). At this point, it seems like it would be good to rule out pneumonia. If you’ve developed a secondary bacterial infection then you’ll need antibiotics.
I am praying for you, will continue to do so, and will look out for any updates and will respond if I can support you in any way.
Kaco, you went to such great lengths to be prepared and to take care of your family in the event that any or all of you contracted covid. And you’ve shared many times your struggles with anxiety. I hope and pray you can get the medical care you need right now and can find ways, even if small, to quiet your mind so you’re not in a state of panic. I know it’s easier said than done.
Rest as much as you possibly can and check in with a medical person who seems reasonably capable and kind.
Sending prayers for a quiet night, a restful night, and healing…..
Thanks, Sarah,
I hope i don’t have pneumonia, last CXR on 11/28 doctor said my lungs were “perfect” but still had the expiratory wheeze. Now it’s not so much wheezing, but have to open them up to have good air output on exhalation.
I am sleeping prone mostly so that helps.
I saw on the FLCCC site a pharmacy that has the nitazoxanide. They have on their website this:
**Warfarin, moderate-severe Asthma, active Cancer, active AIDS patients should strongly consider ordering NITAZOXANIDE in place of Ivermectin.**
I don’t have asthma but it is like it.
I don’t really have an NP yet, I have an appointment scheduled for the 28th, rescheduled from the 15th that I had with Dr. Wagshul. They said I was going to be one of his last appointments. He is going concierge and will not take insurance any more. They also said he doesn’t have hospital privileges anywhere anymore. They said his NP will be doing it now. So this is what happens when you fight to treat patients with the right medication.
It I had already had my appointment, it would have been a lot easier to do a telehealth visit after. They told me in order to be established, the first appointment has to be face to face per their policy.
I doubt I have pneumonia but I’d like to prevent it. It’s mostly mucus nasal proliferation, cloudy head, etc. just like the beginning.
Now it feels like the IVM and hydrogen peroxide nebulizer/iodine nasal rinse, is only keeping it in check but not getting over it.
I would probably have to go to the ER to get a repeat CXR, I don’t think the outpatient radiology would like me coming in there with Covid.
The thing is, the doctor knows, I’ve been on 10 days of Augmentin, then the Z-pack, then 7 days of Doxycycline, last dose was day of monoclonal antibodies. I’ve been eating an Activia with each dose, she knows that, too. But I doubt she will prescribe something because now I have Covid and they don’t prescribe anything.
Yesterday, my husband got a new furnace filter, opened windows, sprayed Lysol, trying to get the virus out of the air if that contributed to my rebound. I don’t know. We had kept some windows open but it’s starting to get cold and I guess we thought since we had treatment and two are better, we’ve kept windows shut again but I have gotten worse again.
I wanted to add, later last summer/fall, I was found to be anemic with iron deficiency, I felt better all over with less anxiety after downing a bottle of Floradix over a month or so. Hgb and iron better, but I need to take iron again but haven’t restarted.
Talk to your NP about potential concurrent fungal infection and treatment if that is a possibility (I have seen it mentioned in several studies).
I’m in Ohio but just read about some black fungal crap that has accompanied Covid. Mostly in Arkansas over here.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-deadly-black-fungus-disease-americans.html
I doubt it is that, and related also to the bronchitis I had before. But I hope I wouldn’t have to take that awful Flagyl that permanently damaged me 6 years ago.
Hi Kaco, I’ve been praying for you all day! There are actually a variety of different fungal infections that occur along with covid (and other viruses and bacteria; some are pretty benign until an antibiotic interferes with the body’s mechanism for keeping it under control). Aspergillus and Candida A are a few. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7499555/ The CDC (I am not a fan generally) has updated the site if your NP wants more information. https://www.cdc.gov/fungal/covid-fungal.html. The first MD I worked for was not US-trained, and was pretty adamant that the MD’s in the US generally are not trained to identify what he stated was roughly 20% of all infections (the rest viral or bacterial).
And he had a microscope and slides, and he used them and made sure his back office staff knew how to also. Old school, but refused to write a script unless he was pretty sure it would treat the correct illness.
Disseminated fungal infection nearly killed me in 2019. Md’s didn’t have a clue. It took many, many, hours with Dr Internet to figure out why I was dying and then demand treatment. I’m still here. So far.
That sounds terrible, how did you figure that out? Maybe I need to look into it. What were your symptoms?
Coughing, fluid in lungs, recurrent jock rash, nasty toe nails, kidney and liver not working well.
Two weeks after starting anti-fungal med I felt 90% better.
Don’t remember where but search engine ought to find it for you you can fill out a long detailed questionnaire and the AI suggests diagnoses. No one MD can remember it all but the AI does…
My wife had two bouts of pneumonia post-COVID, the first immediately, the second a month or so later. She has COPD before all this, never smoked. I’ve had excessive (and thicker) mucus, even when pollen counts are low, and no infection present. I’m a chronic sinus sufferer, treated with OTC antihistamine and pseudoephedrine every morning, sometimes benadryl at night. We’re both on C, D, Zinc, quercetin, and melatonin.
Prayers for you. Keep trying until you find what works, and stay out of hospitals!
I had gotten some Claritin to have on hand in case, I usually don’t take it. Do you think I should try it? I was concerned about thickening this mucus up but do you think it will dry up without sticking? I am on a generic mucinex max dose 1200mg ER.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7833340/#!po=34.9057
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33609497/
I also think I have chronic sinusitis. Well, a recent head CT showed a left sphenoid chronic sinus.
I think I’m going to have to try the Claritin today to stop some of this mucus proliferation in my nasal passages.
I had smoked but not during this, chewing gum now, and may have quit for good.
I will say that four or five years ago, I had a cold that also went into the chest and every morning thereafter it went away, I had phlegm in the morning so I think all the real damage is done by viruses. I don’t know if it means anything but I was never a deep inhaler, very quick puffs.
Hi Kaco, I am also praying for a speedy recovery for you, and I’m sorry you are suffering through this. I have taken Claritin D 24 for seasonal allergies for many years, and in my case it has worked miracles in clearing nasal passages and slowing the production of infected mucus. It does create a temporary uptick in blood pressure, but the benefits have greatly outweighed any side effects in my case. It also requires you remain more hydrated than normal. It is an over the counter medication, but you have to show an ID to the pharmacist to buy it as it can be used in large quantities to produce crystal meth (yes that sounds alarming, but the Claritin doses are a small controlled amount). I hope this helps.
I told my wife IF I were to be dying of “covid” I will die at home. Hospitals have tried to kill me twice and I’m not going to give them another crack at me.After all they get paid to kill you!
Kaco, I do not see OTC product in your listing that includes guaifenesin which is helpful… an expectorant of mucus in the upper airways. It helps to liquefy mucus. I assume you are replenishing your fluid intake regularly. A warm air mister is a gem many times in helping to open the upper airway passages, the bronchials. We followed Dr Peter McCullough’s protocol. Prayers…
Thank you so much, I failed to put that in there. Yes, I am on a generic Mucinex 1200 mg extended release every 12 hours. I’ve been taking it since the beginning of the bronchitis.
I had my husband install a furnace humidifier a couple weeks ago but I should run this warm mist humidifier also. Thing is, I am now downstairs because the ones that came down first were banished upstairs so I am running a humidifier in a wide open room.
I might have Dr. McCullough’s protocol, but I know I don’t have HCQ, just the quercetin.
Kaco, I apologize… we only had the Quercetin, no Hydroxychoriquine or Ivermectin. The warm air mister was a huge game changer for my adult daughter, had her use it regularly every 4hr, plus as needed. Room humidifier was not effective for her. I’ve been preaching the D3 levels to anyone that will listen (greater than 55, but reading 80-100 is best), plus all supplements. I appreciate all the other comments here… on your part of the thread.
Thank you, I have been on the low end of D levels, in the low 30s, but am taking a double dose of D now.
I have a nebulizer also, and some saline vials for inhalation that I’ve been using with the hydrogen peroxide. This is just a warm air humidifier that you get for a baby. We have a cold one, too, but I like the warm one myself when I use it. Do you have a vaporizer or something you are referring to? Like what people might use for essential oils?
Kaco, I purchased from local drug store, the one with the least parts. On Amazon it is listed as “Vicks Personal Sinus Steam Inhaler with Soft Face Mask.” We set it on table to use, breathing in through nose and opened mouth. Coughing ensued each time at the beginning but then settled out. We also added a few drops of food grade peroxide.
Thank you, nutmeg, now I can see what you use. I have a face mask also that I use with the nebulizer, not just a mouthpiece. I have been using the face mask for the normal saline with food grade hydrogen peroxide so I would think that would be the same as your Vick’s.
Kaco, I’m thinking all nebulizers are cool air. The face mask with it may help. Prayers for you. Being sick like this is fearful… do your relaxing and distracting things too.
I’m sold on this “warm air mist” device to help relax and open the airway bronchials, and sinus was a thinner mucus.
We have been giving Doxycycline 100mg BID
x 10 days and Dexamethasone (steroid) 6mg BID x 10 days. Perhaps see if your doctor would try this (if you are able to take these medications). Also OTC Plain Mucinex 600mg twice a day (BID) really seemed to help many.
I was given a Rx initially for 600 mg and I had to go out and buy the max dose 1200 mg because the 600 mg didn’t seem to cut it. But my bronchioles were pretty inflamed. Now I can cough some up but I know I have restriction without doing the albuterol and budesonide.
I just finished a course of Doxycycline for an unrelated matter that happened to follow the z-pack and that was finished last Friday, same day as monoclonal antibodies.
Thank you, I don’t know what my doctor will do to help me. I had asked for post exposure antibodies and she acted like this was so dangerous she won’t do it unless I was positive confirmed on PCR. I did home antigen test day before, I was still negative that night but next day the mucus started all over and I was positive that day and ran out and got the PCR.
I wish you luck. You seem to know all the treatments that are supposed to help. I am not sure if your Ivermectin dosage is correct. This link is helpful for that…. https://www.maximpulse.com/permethrin/ivermectin-calculating-a-dose.html
I am currently in Grenada where I can buy Ivermectin over the counter without prescription. I have taken it several times at these recommended dosages without any side effects.
Jefff
Thank you, that calculation is coming out as the .2mg/kg and I am not at .6mg/kg stronger dose.
Glad you have full access to this, wish you could mail me some, lol!
So sorry to hear this Kaco. If I understand you correctly, you have had COVID since 12/15 and your chief complaint is UPPER respiratory mucus. That’s a good thing! You may be doing too much. 6 days for an upper respiratory infection is not at all unusual. 10 days to 2 weeks is a normal course. If you were recently on a zpak, you may still have some protection (bacterial) from that course.
FWIW, I have never been a fan of “flushing” nasal passages (not a fan of enemas either). Those bodily orifices were designed to expel toxins, not shove them up where they don’t belong. Let them do their job. The Lord knew what he was doing when He created us.
If you have the latest and greatest variant (sounds like you do), it’s a nasty headcold. I worked with a wonderful doctor years ago and his words echo in my mind “there are many things we can do in medicine, but we must ask ourselves, “should we?”. With our bodies, sometimes less is best. If you are not suffering any lower respiratory issues, try a day of your vitamin boosts, hydration, listerine gargles and maybe an antihistamine. Not sure what monoclonal you received. I just learned recently there are 3 different types being used in our local hospital. The only proven effective one is in short supply and is NOT being given to all. They are, in fact, selecting the younger patients. I know this because my 93 y.o. mom is in with COVID right now and got her one dose of the much less effective one.
I hope each day brings you closer to complete recovery and back here more often. Best to you and yours.
The thing is, I am afraid this overproduction of mucus is going to drain into my chest, I am coughing stuff up and it all contains this nasty virus that wants to embed and replicate. The FLCCC doctors strongly suggest keeping the viral load down in the nasal passages, that’s why they have the betadine drops now, I think it also allows the medicine to work better but also stops it from overtaking your body and your lungs. I am not sure this is like any ordinary virus or infection to allow your body to do this. Just like how the cytokine storm is part of the body’s response but it is deadly.
Yes, right now is like a nasty headcold but I am trying desperately to keep it from getting worse.
I am really thinking about taking the claritin today. My fear about it is, this is thicker type of mucus and I don’t want it drying up and clinging to my lung tissue. I am on the generic extra strength mucinex long acting and NAC but it might cut down on the nasal production and it might enhance the IVM as one person has stated.
I got the Regeneron’s Regen-Cov. I thought that was a good one for Delta. I hear there’s only one for Omicron that’s working. The one below. I don’t believe this is Omicron because I think it’s a little early, it’s just starting to spread, although my husband and son brought it home from Florida the Saturday before.
https://www.sotrovimab.com/
I undrrstand your thinking on minimizing the viral load/fear mucus/advance to lungs, just don’t believe it works quite that way.
Our bodies make this nasty mucus as the white cells and other immune components ramp up production, attack viruses, kill them off. Upper respiratory system blows the waste out the nose, lower respiratory coughs it up and out the mouth, GI, well, that can go 2 routes. Excess mucus is not usually a bad thing. We have gone bonkers over this “viral load”. I am not a fan of antihistamines or decongestants as a rule, but on occasion they are useful. I probably would give it a try.
I encourage you to embrace the thoughts of your body’s immune system being hard at work. It’s doing it’s job to get this unwelcomed invader out. As a result, mucus, cough, headache, temp are signs, as well as fatigue. Of course you are well aware that any difficulty in breathing is another level. So be sure to move around at regular intervals and do some deep, slow breathing. Don’t overdue either one.
Thank you old school,
I am not as strong as you think, I have a lot of underlying issues. Hyperlipidemia, high triglycerides, high Rheumatoid factor that was never addressed 5 years ago, low iron, low hemoglobin, God knows what else. My doctor ordered a bunch of labs prior to figure out what else is wrong with me but I hadn’t been able to do them because of illness. I am also homozygous MTHR gene mutations C677T and A1298C whatever the heck that does to me. I have a history of POTS and then the fibroscan showed my liver has gone to NASH, showing stage 1 fibrosis. And now probably COPD from this bronchitis.
I appreciate the sentiment and the thought but I think Covid is the last virus one would want to go au natural in letting nature take its course. I would think the frontline doctors that have been treating this know how it goes with Covid and why they have constantly updated and evolved their protocols.
Good news, I got a call back this morning and am going to be hearing from one of them this afternoon and I hope and pray he can help me.
I think a lot of what oldschool said is on point and very wise.
As for things to try, I don’t think anyone can safely advise another person as to what to do. We are exchanging ideas on a blog forum. Very few of us are doctors. No one here knows you and/or has examined you. And you have underlying health issues. In my view, this all adds up to a complex array of concerns (underlying health issues, covid, and the impact of any treatment be in Rx, OTC, and/or “natural).
The anxiety that’s woven through your current situation makes it harder. Anxiety never helps. It just fuels panic and convinces us of the worst.
Again, I think what oldschool has written on this long reply thread is full of much wisdom.
And you are very smart and knowledgeable. But sometimes a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing when people set off on a self-treatment plan on their own throwing numerous things into the mix, not knowing how they all interact and whether they will help or hinder.
Meanwhile, so glad to hear you’ll be speaking w/someone from Frontline doctors today. I hope they will help you sort out what to do going forward and put your mind somewhat at ease for having had that guidance.
I will hop off now because I fear I am now one of a cacophony of voices filling your head and, perhaps, just fueling more spinning and spinning.
I, along with many Treepers here, am praying for you and look forward to your post in the not too distant future letting us know you’re feeling better and better.
No, I was seeking advise and input. It’s just that this virus has managed to evade everything I’ve thrown at it so it is quite disturbing. Now it seems to have moved on from just my nasal passages and has taken over my body, I can feel it all over now and I am very fatigued, feel like I have a fever without actually having one and it is draining. I just hope and pray it doesn’t turn into the cytokine storm and pneumonia.
The other supplements I have been taking since before Thanksgiving with the bronchitis without issue, thankfully. The only thing I’ve added on with the Covid is the IVM and melatonin and now baby aspirin.
Thank you for your prayers
Maybe see if they’ll put you back on the zpack? It works with some forms of pneumonia though not all (as I found out several years ago). But I also saw an article from 2020 in a medical journal describing research that has been done on it showing its effectiveness at fighting viruses, including but not limited to covid. I would link the article but am sick with flu right now (type A, nasty virus).
Oh, man, hope you recover and don’t get the Covid in the meantime and end up like me!
He did write for Azithromycin for 30 days.
I hope your appointment was fruitful and that the doctor was able to chart a path forward for you.
Kaco, you are an exceptionally resourceful person. And it’s quite amazing how much you’ve learned about covid and covid treatment over these past many months. Truly remarkable. But at this juncture, I’m glad to know you’ll be under a doctor’s care who can, hopefully, pull everything together (your health history, your recent history with covid and treatments, etc) and provide some direction.
Praying, praying, praying….
I know you have a significant medical history and I agree with you regarding the unusual course and varying course and treatments of this virus. I am very glad you will have a chance to consult with docs who know what they are doing. I know you are stronger than you think. My prayers are with you and the docs to guide you to a full recovery
I’ll let you know what he says. Thanks for your prayers, too!
Please do! 🙏
I heard back from Dr. W late this afternoon and this is what he decided. He is sending me from a compounding pharmacy IVM the high dose .6mg/kg for 7 days, sending in a script of Prednisone 10 mg low dose for 7 days, refilling the albuterol inhaler, and faxing an order to this independent hospital in Amish country for the other kind of monoclonal antibodies by Eli Lilly (my idea) but I don’t know if I will get them because I will be on my 8th day from symptom onset.
I asked him about Claritin and he said let’s not complicate matters. I asked him about melatonin and increasing the dose and he said to just drop it all together. I asked him about the quercetin and the protocol says twice a day but a recent PSA they put out says there is a possible drug interaction between quercetin and IVM and to give it once a day separate from each other. He said to stop quercetin, too! I don’t know if he just didn’t want to be bothered with all the extraneous stuff, but he said he wanted to keep it simple with the Prednisone, IVM, and to continue the Vitamin D, C, Zinc. I think he also wanted me to drop the nasal lavages and stop the budesonide.
So, maybe a little on the lines of what you suggested there.
He wants to talk to me in 7 days so I have an appointment for another telemed then. But I told them when they scheduled that I have the NP appointment day before.
I just hope I can tolerate this high dose of IVM for 7 days. He reiterated how safe it is and safer than anything else out there.
Also, he is sending in Azithromycin for 30 days.
Kaco, I like his regimen and his streamlining. He seems to be giving you a very comprehensive package. IVM, steroid, respiratory support, vit supplements , and antibiotic. I agree with cutting out the other stuff. Too many unknowns that may cause more harm than good or prohibit intended actions of medications. At some point we have to trust those we have vetted and respect as long as it makes sense. I hope you can make your decision and be at peace with it. I believe you will be ok. In my thoughts and prayers❤
Thank you! Forgot, he wants me to take full strength aspirin. And I believe that’s about it.
Like that too! If I had only one drug to choose, it would be aspirin. J&J did a smear campaign against aspirin when they were releasing THEIR new drug Tylenol. Same playbook as what we see now. Big Pharma has been a force for a long time.
Anyway, no politics, just medicine and healing. I think you have a good medicine regimen. Go kick COVID in the arse! You got this.
Kaco, So good to read your update. The doc sounds good. Honed in on the essentials and cut out anything extraneous. Glad to know you have a f/u appt in 7 days. Keeping you in my prayers….
Thanks very much for checking in and your prayers, too!
Maybe there’s some disagreement with the protocol but this is what he wanted to do for me. Just hope I can tolerate that high dose of IVM, it’s pretty rough but at least I know it goes away.
Kaco,
It sounds like this doctor is practicing the art of medicine. These days, more and more, docs function like robots using decisions trees.
And while having protocols are important, it’s also critical that doc re-evaluate for each unique patient. You came to him with a history (long-term and specifically related to your recent covid diagnosis and treatment thus far). It sounds like he took all of that in and made a determination for you, not some hypothetical patient. Yeah!
As for the high dose IVM, I guess you’ll see how it goes. I know you’ve mentioned in prior posts that you struggle with tolerating certain meds and/or certain doses of them (like Vitamin D). You know your body better than anyone, but as you say, even if the IVM is rough, you know it’s very safe and that whatever expected side effects you may experience will be temporary.
I am going to keep praying for you and have faith G-d will give you all the strength you need to see this course of treatment through and the wisdom to know when to reach out for additional medical help if you have serious concerns.
So glad you had this medical consult today. And, exactly as oldschool said, I hope you can be at peace with the plan going forward. Please keep us updated as you are so inclined and/or have the energy to do. You know so many of us are rooting for you!
How you doing today?
100 “likes” for you OldSchool!
TY.
Adjunctive homeopathic treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients (COVIHOM): A retrospective case series
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8110319/
Thank you, the only homeopathy I have on hand is Hyland’s nerve tonic.
Try Hahnemann labs or go to Council for Certified Homeopaths and locate a practitioner near you. National Center for Homeopathy has resource information. Whole foods, Sprouts tend to carry a few basics .
Hi Kaco, hope you are feeling better. The one thing that piqued my interest is the heavy mucus production. Years ago, my mom’s doctor put her on a medication for her blood pressure, I think, or it may have been her diabetes. I believe it started with Lov or Lav, but it’s been a long time so not sure I trust my memory.
Anyway, that drug alone caused such heavy mucus production that she started coughing up some really gross stuff, nearly choked on it several times. Really gross. They had to take her off of it.
So I’m wondering if what you might be experiencing is a drug side effect (you’re on a lot of stuff) and less from the virus. Just a thought. Something you might want to discuss with your doctor.
As for pneumonia, keep an eye on temperature. A temp that goes back up, particularly if high, like 102-103 deg, could be a sign of secondary infection like pneumonia.
Hope you are feeling much better,
Meow
Thank you so much, I don’t know what in that lot of stuff I listed could cause an overproduction of mucus. It had gone away for a day but came back again, I have assumed it is the virus getting a comeback. I am staying away from dairy except the one Activia. I’m not on any other medication. Thanks for your input! If you remember what medication it was, please post it, I will have to remember that in case in the future.
Green tea.
Thank you, but I can’t due to my liver. You wouldn’t know that unless you checked but it’s one of those.
So if we’re lost can someone take us to a vet to find out who we belong to?
Biden needs one of those chips!
Pedo needs a chipper alright.
The government.
Neural / Computer Interfacing, the fun stuff is just a few years down the road. It’s one thing to control a person’s life indirectly, now imagine the govt. having direct control over your brain. Here’s an overview put out by the Royal Society just a few years ago. Think tiny 5G transceiver embedded under the scalp and linked into the ear via a cochlear implant — and you can’t turn it off! Oh, and it will record everything you hear as well.
How about microscopic GoPro cameras embedded in the eyes to record every thing you see then downloaded to some cloud-based data vault via the same 5G transceiver , kiss privacy goodbye. Most of this tech already exists but not yet miniaturized to fit inside the human eye without causing irritation and / or infection issues.
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/ihuman-perspective/
Little did we know that The Twilight Zone would come true, huh? We Are Borg! I remember it very well.
SD’s long view here might seem pretty outlandish, but you have to consider: without a next step progressivism by definition ceases to exist.
It will be sold as a way to “ascend humanity” and “become gods”.
The people who run the world would happily transfer their brain into a robot body. It’s pure insanity to any Christian but they worship something else.
Rev 13:17
“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name”
All sorts of memorirs and thought bubbling up.
On a great book called “Up the Organisation” the author reccomends any company transitioning from any old, analogue system to a new computerised digital system, run the two, side by side, until EVERYONE, from the CEO, to the Janitor agrees the computerised system is better.
I recall working at the Dominoes Pizza, servicing the ASU area, when they brought in the new computerised system for taking phone orders for pizza, for a real life test.
It was horrible, and I joke that I am the reason computers are bolted to the counter, cause at one point I had the damn thing over my head, intent on throwing it out a window.
I think about the “no-fly list”, operated by the Government, and all the horror stories, of people wrongly denied air travel, AND how it was almost impossible to correct the error.
If we surrender power to the Govt, they never relinquish it, and eventially WILL abuse it.
My responce would be same as the jab;
“Does it come in suppository form ?”
“God no, WHY would you ask that?”
“SO it would be easier for YOU, to shove it up yer arse!”
But, since I won’t take the jab, I guess they won’t be chipping me, anyway.
I recall after 911, when they set up airport inspections, to confiscate box cutters, etc.
They continued to allow credit cards, and give me 2 minutes with a credit card, and I can put an edge on it equally capable of slitting a throat.
So, I knew ALL the checkpoint foolishness, was just to reassure the cattle, that the chute was “safe”.
And just as many stood in lines, and took off their shoes, and got scanned and frisked, ….many useful idiots will want these “chips”, others will take them, even though they don’t want them,…sad really.
So how DO you “fix” a cc?
Another great answer, Dutchman! LIKE!
I see a team of zoological types stalking the unvaccinated in their native habitats. When they come across one, they use their dart gun to incapacitate their target while they vaccinate her. After cataloguing the newly vaccinated, they inject the vaccine passport into the object’s body. They wait until their recipient comes to and then move on to the next beneficiary of their largess. I would like to see that mockumentary.
First it was 2 weeks to get ahead of the spread of Covid, it became two years and they never got completely ahead of it.
Then they said Social Distancing and Wearing Masks were a temporary measure until there was a Vaccine, the Vaccines came and we’re still required to wear masks and Social Distance.
Then they said the Vaccines would protect you from Covid, only to require Boosters to only now reveal that there are Break-Through Cases for the fully Vaccinated.
And now they are considering Implanting Covid Passport that for all practical purposes track you… to “Stop the spread of Covid,” because losing your freedom of movement is a small cost to “Stop the spread of Covid!”
At every step of this comical journey we have surrendered our freedoms for the illusion of safety, all the while losing both.
These people with Fauci the Fraud as their figurehead, have turned an Endemic Illness become something more powerful than all the threats the United States has ever faced.
Hitler or Stalin could never have imagined that the Shining City on a Hill (as Reagan has called the USA) would be brought so easily to its knees.
And that’s where we are now… do we live on or feet or grovel on our knees?
For the life of me I can’t help missing President Trump more than ever!
Hopefully there are enough cancers associated with these devices to drop this technology faster than asbestos.
I see a business opportunity! I’ll set up at truck stops across the country, a card table,a cardboard sign,an old bayonet: -MIKES DEMON CHIP REMOVAL- Services inlude: Field Expedient Chip Removal by a battlefield trained grunt. Delicate use of sugical bayonet,shot of Jim Beam antiseptic and a fresh bandaid battle dressing. Free Bonus! Upon completion of successful surgery( Ill get that sucker) the laying of hands proclaiming: “You are cured brother,go forth and multiply “. All this for the low low price of $10.00 cash only. Some restrictions may apply void where prohibited.
The argument for this will be well you microchip your dog or cat.
And it doesn;t cause them any trouble.
I can see the automated version of this being used for “voter security”. “No chip, No vote.”. “Vote wrong, …”
I believe a large % of idiots who have love affairs with their smart phones will swallow this hook line and sinker.
They look at the phone 24/7
and have become desensitized to humanity. They have created a parallel existence within that *#+*! phone.
They embrace without question any new app or ‘technology’. If it’s new it’s better.
We all know who these dorks are. It’s not a small number of people.
Merry Christmas!
This will bring an uprising of Christians with religious exemptions. It will be seen as the prophecy of the “mark of the beast” and end times. They may just be right. It might be end times for Biden’s and Fauc’s poltical careers.
Revelation 13:
So Student Council, nill result with nothing. Everbody have a Merry Christmas and pray for Americas lost political souls. The cost of Freedom sadly is pay with spilled not injected BLOOD!
I’d rather be alive and not travel than be ded from blood clotting or heart malfunction and be 6 feet under and going nowhere.
I honestly believe they tried to quickly eliminate a large swath of the older population; Medicare costs are getting out of control, as are pensions (corporate America was probably privately howling) so that’s why they tried to scare the elders first, then, when the de a ths didn’t happen so quickly, they had no choice but to double down and insist that everyone, even youngsters get the jab. This is beyond sick. Our own govt, trying to eliminate us. And no jab requirement for the foreigner or illegal. Unbelievable.
Sweden went cashless some years ago. There’s a young man who does “regenerative agriculture”, wrote a book, has a farm that produces all kind of vegetables, eggs, meat. I remember when he explained how great the cashless society was – it made things so much simpler for him. I was aghast.
This is another reason why it is so important to get into a community of like minded people who intend upon bartering. I will give you eggs for that gallon of milk. Fresh vegetables for meat, etc. And why it’s so important to develop practical skills – can you sew, fix a car, repair a chimney, etc. I definitely would steer my children and grandchildren towards practical skills rather than an overinflated college education that results in no practical skills.
I can see these communities forbidding outsiders in and having teams of people who rotate the responsibility of keeping things secure. Another reason why they want to limit bullets, limit certain types of weapons, etc.
I guess I’ll be crushing the iPhone soon and letting go of my Internet service, etc.
brother was at target the other day, they refused cash. would only take debit or credit card.
Love, love your comment!
No way will I ever comply to get VAX
This is about control, money ,and power.
we need to push back and resist, pure violation of Our Constitutional rights
July 27, 2016 / #Tech
Human Microchipping: An Unbiased Look at the Pros and Cons
Dystopian claims:
Other considerations:
https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/human-microchipping-an-unbiased-look-at-the-pros-and-cons-ba8f979ebd96/
People will be killed for their ID chips.
Wanna go incognito? Kill that homeless person and take his chip! At least until the chip is linked to your bio-metric data and cameras, weigh scales, DNA sniffers, match you to your chip.
What could possibly go wrong. Go wrong. Go wrong???
Illegal aliens get the “Pass Go and collect $450k chip”.
– ERROR 404 –
Looking forward to being a “file not found”.
Maybe get some tee shirts printed.
This further proves the point that this has NOTHING to do with Covid! And almost EVERY major country is IN on this!
God….if I could just find a Time Machine!!
Beta Tests only work where Beta Males are are in the majority.
I wonder if magnets destroy chips.
LOL. Yes they’ll have to ensure the proper “shielding” from electromagnetic interference.
What is it about those people you want to snag and tag all people?. It’s truly a mentality that sees cattle not people. Such sickness.
Who not you
You can bet a lot of young people will be into this new craze.
Yep. Just heard one the other day…maybe 24/25 say “I’m looking forward to getting a chip in my head”. DUMBA$$