Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber as he was being attacked by a raging mob. Rittenhouse also fired on Gaige Grosskreutz as the attacker held a handgun toward him. Prosecutors attempted to claim that Rittenhouse was a vigilante looking for a fight; however, the defense, and all video of the events, show all shootings were justifiable self defense.
The jury deliberations began earlier today with the defendant using a random lottery drawing of six names to exclude from the full juror pool. The remaining jurors began deliberations immediately following the lottery cull.
Outside the courthouse a mob of pre-staged Black Lives Matter (BLM) and FBI supported ANTIFA agitators are shouting “no justice, no peace” – “if Kenosha don’t get it, burn it down,” and threatening to destroy the city if the jury does not adhere to their demands and convict Kyle Rittenhouse of murder.
While the FBI is supporting the activity of Antifa, according to local media, 500 national guard members are on standby to protect the city from them and the Black Lives Matter mobs. The Rittenhouse trial sets the stage for an interesting conflict between the FBI jackboots and the Wisconsin National Guard.
It is interesting how the city of Kenosha did not form a perimeter around the courthouse keeping the mob away from the steps. There is a park across the street which was previously used for protests as the police guarded the building. However, today, for some seemingly curious reason, the local authorities are allowing the protesting mob and their bullhorns to conduct their agitation activity on the steps to the courthouse.
Consider this an open discussion thread for issues and events taking place.
according to robert barnes and jack prosobiac jurors are worried they will get doxed and hunted by blm and antifa. otherwise this shit would be settled and kyle goes home.
One wiff of it to the judge and they may be replaced with a better jurror.
He would probably interview them separately and ask each if he (or she) can continue and fairly render a verdict on the evidence alone, and not on anything outside the courthouse.
If the juror says no, then the juror should be replaced.
If the juror says yes (why stay if the juror is so afraid, though), the juror stays, although the judge may want to talk to the other jurors to find out what the two really said about being afraid for themselves and their families.
Wouldn’t you be worried about that?
Absolutely not
The opportunity to provide justice to this brave young man would far outweigh any threats scumbags like antifa, BLM, and their faggoty hall monitor supporters
Amen
Threats to you, your family, your kids, your friends, your home.
I do agree that justice should be first on the list but I do empathize with the jurors.
And what is the FBI doing to prevent all the leaks and threats? Nothing.
IMO the FBI are enabling the leaks and threats
Even instigating them
The people serving on the jury knew the high profile nature of the case. Once they realized that perhaps he wasn’t the person the MSM created and he was actually defending himself the juror realizes he/she has to defend themselves against the exact same angry mob that Kyle faced that night in Kenosha. Self preservation becomes more important than serving up Justice. Wonder if anyone on the Jury is standing up and asking the question – what if this was your kid?
Yeah, they sure as hell can’t count on the FBI or the police to protect them 24/7.
That’s real easy to say when it’s not you and your family being threatened though. How are you going to protect your kids 24/7?
Figure your kids already belong to the government. Your family will die of disease and starvation within 5 rs.
Now make your decision.
nope. I would do the right thing.
Good for you, as would I and as should most people.
Anyone know of a way to fund and support these jurors to relocate to somewhere like Florida, Texas, or Oklahoma and help them secure employment in the aftermath of the verdict? Perhaps even help fund security. They don’t need to go through this without support, and I’d certainly donate. Unfortunately I can’t lend in person support in Kenosha. It’s too dang far, at least at this juncture.
Are there any of those infamous “slow boats” still available?
How are you even gonna find them first? It’s not like they carry ID cards and wear uniforms every day.
I’d donate to that too!
The surface of Venus.
That way they won’t suffer for very long.
I hear Somalia’s nice this time of year.
no
No, screw those people. It’s time to fight back. I’m sick of this BS one-sided skewed version of justice in this country. The media is not the law. BLM is not the law.
Meanwhile in NYC BLM leaders continue to say how they will murder cops if the newly elected mayor reinstitutes the plain clothes division. But…..crickets.
We’re all sick of it but are you gonna protect their kids 24/7?
Re “Wouldn’t you be worried about that?”
I would be concerned about it; but, I’m just stubborn and independent enough for it to p!ss me off enough to make me even more determined to find Kyle not guilty.
The jurors won’t deliver a not guilty verdict until Kyle agrees to escort them out of the courthouse.
if they are afraid, they should have recuse themselves. They dont need to be there. All cowards.
the judge should replace them post interviewing based on the evidence, then what is blocking them.
And more so, what is happening to those making the threats? Some are openly doing it in front of the courthouse.
This BS has been angered me beyond belief….my anger is having a harder time remaining cold. But, that’s what they want- hot anger. Meanwhile, Jim Jordon and others talk a big game. NO action.
Keep talking Jim. Keep tweeting. Some with those like you because as you Tweet and talk big the Demcorats are wiping your district out so you won’t even get to run again.
What a Olympian leap! TWO jurors supposedly are intimidated and you got the 18 labeled as , “All cowards.”
Where are the “good people, the blue collar hunters and beer drinkers” of Kenosha? Where ARE they? I keep wondering why they didn’t run the rioters off yesterday like the people in Idaho did summer of 2020–they literally rode the creeps out of town and right back onto their bus using their horses. They surrounded the rioters and used their cow savvy horses to drive the idiots out of town. No shots fired.
Why are the Kenosha Kowards not defending their town and their town’s honor at this juncture and permitting THEIR citizen jurors to do their duty in peace?
That is my concern also.
My oldest son, a vet, thinks there will be a hung jury and I am not going to bet against him on that prediction.
Too bad our Justice system, which was hanging by a thin thread on being fair and honest, has died
completely when the psychos have taken over almost every law enforcement departments and systems even to the local levels.
The fact that they went home without a decision spells trouble for KR. Why they’re not sequestered is beyond me.
No surprise with the complicated/confusing jury instructions.
I believe the Zimmerman jury took 16 1/2 hours to acquit.
Shipwrecked Crew made a good point. The jurors chosen in the “lottery” didn’t REALLY know they’d be called upon to BE a juror.
It may have taken some time psychologically to adjust to that.
Personally, I think in a high profile trial like this, I doubt jurors who go home at night to a spouse do not talk about it to a spouse at least a bit. They figure no one will ever know. I think some of them, at least, will decompress at home.
What if they read the Dm article about what a serial criminal Gaige is?
Wow! You do NOT know my husband who has been a juror from the local town level to federal level and foreman on at least 3 occasions. He has been on at least 10 jury trials and they were pretty tough cases.
NOT 1 Time did HE ever say 1 word to ME, his wife, or anyone else about them. He honored his oath to the “T”.
I know he is NOT alone.
If you cannot carry out the duties; then recuse yourself at the outset.
PERIOD.
Amen, Abigail!
Do these Dumb Race Rats know that theFake Black Jogger trial is in a different state?. WTF is the Muslim Black Botherhood Matters crowd up to? Marxists gotta be Marxists
The judge has been threatened. The jury has been threatened. Even some witnesses have been threatened.
The judge knows this.
The judge should dismiss the case with prejudice. Over and done.
Maybe a mistrial and a change of venue. BLM and Antifa can find out what northern Wisconsin is like in the winter.
Bring it to the Deep South. We’ll greet them(BLM/ANTIFA)with some “Southern Hospitality”…Mint Juleps and Ass Whippings!
NO mistrial
because then they will go after Kyle again at another out of state venue
Am I right?
the mistrial with malice, removes the double jepoarady
the request was for a mistrial with prejudice, which means he cannot be retried.
No matter the verdict, somebody will definitely come after Kyle and/or his family. You can count on that.
Yes, he needs to be exonerated.
the prosecution wanted to lie to kick the can down the road and torment the kid even more. Plain evil
Prosecutorial misconduct +1000
Kyle and his family have lived through enough. Another trial is too much to put them through, in my opinion.
Kyle and his family will be targets for a while, no matter what happens in court.
The sad truth is, he really can’t win.
Mistrial dismissal with prejudice. The judge takes the heat and it’s done. I can hope.
On 11/15, the Defense filed a “Motion for a Mistrial with Prejudice”based on the Prosecutor’s “overreach’ by not providing the same HD qality FBI drone video to the Defense that the State had,… until after the trial evidence was closed.
It Judge Schroeder agrees with it and rules in the Defense’s favor, the trial is over and Kyle walks out a free man due to our Constitutional ‘double jeopardy’ right. The State can no longer try him again.
Then, Rittenhouse will have to wait and see if AG, Merrick “Zieg Heil” Garland brings any Civil Rights charges.
If it is a mistrail, expect the Jim Jones Cult M$M to pour out it’s propaganda bile for its Stepford Wives clapping seal audience to lap up and repeat. Ignorance is Bliss?
Its the only way. It should be obvious to all that this judge, like all the rest, is far too concerned with public opinion.
I’m guessing that public threats to them and their families is more important to them than public opinion. The police sure as hell won’t protect them. If they were willing to protect their people, this trial wouldn’t be happening, in the first place.
I suspect this may happen if he sees the jury poll is deadlocked on the 2 wafflers. The filed defense for mistrial with prejudice is amazing. If you watched the trial and matched to those points, it’s a hands down alignment
55 high and rainy tommorow….lets hope it washes some scum off the courthouse steps.
It occurs to me that a very simple but effective weapon against the riots that will come if this jury comes back with a just verdict is water. If they want to riot in the wintertime, make it miserable for them and turn on the water hoses everywhere these idiots go. Either that, or everyone who lives in these communities should behave just like Kyle did, and then let the leftist scum try to prosecute them all.
It’s 45 degrees there right now–balmy by any Cheesehead’s estimation. It’s expected to be that way a few days.
Watch: Water Cannon Deployed as Stone-Hurling Migrants Rush Polish Border, Officers Injured
Belarus border crisis boils over: Polish cops unleash water cannons, tear gas and flash grenades on migrants as guards are pelted with rocks
I’m not talking about water cannons the fire department or the police use. We all know damn well they will be ordered to stand by and watch their city be burned to the ground. I’m talking about individual business owners. Every business has running water. I would be buying the longest water hose I could find, if I were them and it would be backed up with fire arms. If everybody does it, it can’t fail and they can’t all be prosecuted.
The question is, do they have the will and the guts to make it happen?
I’m betting it will get a little colder at night when most of the rioting happens though. And even if it’s 45 degrees, nobody is going to stay outside soaking wet for very long.
Skunk spray is my option
Blackmailers should never be given in to. That’s the cowards way out.
I agree but I also know that’s a lot easier to say when it’s not your family being threatened.
Thank God that YOU’RE not on Kyle’s jury! And if you’re ever called to be on ANY jury, be sure to recuse yourself!
I don’t need your DNA to know you’re not ascended from any of our Founding Fathers. But, many Americans ARE; and, despite what you might believe, it’s NOT that hard to find many who would be willing to ignore the threats and do what is right in this case.
I dare say, enough to make up a jury can be found right here on this thread!
did anyone else notice in the drone footage when KR shot JR, that as soon as shots were fired, the rats scattered. What better proof is there, that if the cops had done the right thing from the beginning shoot some, it would have been over.
If things do go south here, what’s our recourse?
Wisconsin isn’t California or New York!? If it can happen there…
This is troubling on so many levels.
Like lobsters in a pot, they turn the heat up slowly.
Voting is hit or miss, depending on how badly THEY want it.
Our courts are compromised.
Our military and police are being culled.
Supplanting US citizenry with 3rd world serfs.
I would so vote for secession.
Let them have their country, we have ours…
Some states will never come back, many others are on the brink.
We are all caught in a slow boil.
How that secession work out last time?
The side against enslavement of people prevailed. I would expect the same outcome a second time around…
Better answer than mine. Thank you.
Would sure like to know what your handle means.
You don’t really think the Civil War was about slavery, do you? Such an opinion is horribly uninformed.
The American Civil War was fought over State’s Rights TO OWN SLAVES. And thanks for trying to start a wholly unnecessary argument at a time like this.
Boogywstew – the comment to which you responded just proved that (sadly) there will be people in the 22nd century who cling to the collusion delusion, just as there are people in the 21st Century who cling to the noble “States’ rights” Confederacy delusion….
No, Lincoln invaded SC to protect his port duties but make appear SC’s fault.
SC was stupid and fell for it.
Slavery was not the primary issue. It was AN issue, not THE issue…Until Lincoln was losing the war.
The tariffs that were strangling the South, imposed by the same NE aristocrats/Federalist that are doing it today…It 8s the same players.
One can dream, can’t he?
Again, what other recourse do we have?
Serious question.
Move to the most conservative state possible!?
That would work until they start bussing and flying in all the migrants.
already in progress day and night 24/7.
Let the state fly and bus them right back out. What would stop them doing this anyway?
I am truly interested in how the feds can keep sending people, here illegally, anywhere they want to. Don’t the states have a say in this? Shouldn’t they be informed ahead of time if the feds want to send people into the states? No one has ever shown me why the states have to accept this, but I’m sure the feds have some sort of law on their side.
hate to say this .. er
There Is No Law.
Been dead for a while. Didn’t you notice how they treated the last President and his men?
Hijra is migration jihad. It is invasion by simply moving in large enough numbers to take over. It is warfare by another means. You can accept it and excuse it with the soft-hearted socialist Christian “they are UNARMED, POOR, JUST WANT A BETTER LIFE, JESUS WAS A MIGRANT!” pulings, or you can accept it for what it is and confront it like a man.
Way to out yourself as a troll. Let’s see how it works out this time…
“Supplanting US citizenry with 3rd world serfs.”
I’ve always referred to illegals as ghosts of our dearly aborted.
Nah, they are not as smart or good looking as any aborted American child would have been. They are trogs.
Nope. All or nothing. Commies only quit when they are beaten to a pulp.
Broken Lives Metastasize and PantieFA are a protected species. Doxxing individuals would at one time have been called “Cyber Terrorism”.. Seems like major interstate felonies are being committed by Kooks of the LeftCoast factions sending vital info of jurors via a two way electronic device to boots on the ground operatives in SE Wisco , in order to corrupt Kyle’s due process.
When you go inside a jury room it is really bad. I sat on four. You yell and cry and then the strongest people like me will tell them you have to listen to the facts and then you go back and forth and then you cry and yell again. I can rember the case. This poor women just stopped at convenience store one night. She shut off her van and ran in a convenience store. It was unlocked and this guy went into the back of her van. He told here to drive, She was terrifyed. She went down the street. He had a screwdriver and stuck her in the neck, She kept driving. After thie attack she opened the door and went on the pavement. This woman cried. I knew this was the truth. We were a mixed jury in Georgia.. I was told in so many words that some people were prejudice . We were not . You always have to listen to the facts. We found that guy guilty. Kyle Rittenhouse is not. Pray for this child and his mother. He is not guilty. Please pray for the jury.
I was also on a murder jury. Sometime you just have to lay it out in bullet points for the people who think they are “deliberating” but are actually MUDDLED thinkers. I held up the photo and said — he was asleep, NO DEFENSIVE WOUNDS. (13yrold bludgeoned a homeless guy to death). Then the vote was unanimous Guilty.
Muddled thinkers? Or emotional idiots? One in the some in most cases.
At best this will end with a hung jury due to jury intimidation. Antifa and blm are FBI/CIA operations. The FBI is and always has been a corrupt and perverted institution that has grown into the equivalent of the Stasi.
It’s to bad you have zero faith….what a downer
He has a strong possibility of being acquitted based on the evidence.
That is what makes the probable out-come so upsetting.
“1 day ago — I was looking for a line, not to bet but to reflect more realistic likelihoods. Basically, 13 to 1 against any guilty verdict…”
What’s upsetting is that so many people think the worst and their judgement can’t be trusted.
That’s a downer.
sad..
I am incensed by this judge. He should have tossed this case out. This child is not guilty. I feel sick. I pray that he dissmises this case with prejudice. This child has been put through hell. The FBI is corrupt. They just invated Tina Peters house in Clorado after she came forward as a whistleblower to Mike Lindell. Jack Booted Thugs. Enough. My grandpa was killed in the line of duty. I believe it was mafia and goverment. It was back in the 1920’s. Never found his killers.
If the jury can’t acquit because of clear juror intimidation he just might. He might blame the prosecution for the jury intimidation in doing so.
The realistic likelihood is 13 to 1 against any guilty verdict.
obviously they want the jurors to hear the protesters
Philadelphia City Hall is a big, square old “Victorian wedding cake” of a building with a large inner courtyard that used to be open to the street on all four sides entries before 9/11 security. There were lunchtime concerts, and other public events in the courtyard.
During Christmas season, there used to be carolers in the courtyard until the DA’s office asked that they not sing when a jury trial was in session. The carols supposedly put the juries in such a holiday mood that they were acquitting a lot of defendants.
Call the Governor.
lol. Tony Evers? He is working against an acquittal is he not?
More reason to call him.
2 Chronicles 7:14: If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
The cop who allegedly started all of this was not charged. No riot happened as a result of the no-charge.
Why would this verdict result in a peaceful demonstration?
Because this is not about Kyle Rittenhouse or the cop primarily: what is on trial here is the right to self defense by law abiding citizens.
The Rittenhouse Trial a full replay of the Floyd Trial.
The Abery Trial in Atlanta is gong the same way complete with intimidation actually being allowed to sit in the court room.
The literal courage of the Jury is on trial . The fate of the of defendants all hinges on that one single determination and not a single shred of the exonerating evidence. In all these cases authorities from the White House down to the Mayor’s office has no intention of defending them, declared the defendants guilt and has sanctioned violence.
From the INTRODUCTION of Robert F. Kennedy Juniors new book, released Nov. 9, 2021, The Real Anthony Fauci
I wrote this book to help Americans and citizens across the globe understand the historical underpinnings of the bewildering cataclysm that began in 2020. In that single annus herribilis, liberal democracy effectively collapsed worldwide. The very governmental health regulators, social media eminences, and media companies that idealistic populations relied upon as champions of freedom, health, democracy, civil rights, and evidence-based public policy seemed to collectively pivot in a lockstep assault against free speech and personal freedom
Tucker interviewed RFK Jr at his home in Maine. It was really good to hear a Kennedy defending America!
They will go to any lengths to see this young mans life ruined. But of coarse we all know its bigger than that. Will we see mail-in verdicts?
I am thoroughly surprised it wasn’t done and over by now with Kyle being cleared completely. What did the prosecution present that would even make a guilty verdict possible at all? At the worst, reasonable doubt is clearly evident, imo.
Are the jurors afraid what will happen if they vote not guilty? That is a very troubling thought but in this day and age, very real.
The jurors are worried because they are being threatened right on the steps of the courtroom.
And the ENTIRE proof of guilt is on the prosecutor, NONE on the defense. The prosecutor did not make his case.
I have found myself becoming very attached to this young man, don’t know if I can take much more. I cannot imagine what it is like to be him or his family dangling on a thread like this. Worst part if he gets convicted he can’t sue the media, no books either.
Breaking: The Rittenhouse defense files motion for mistrial with prejudice.
https://thelibertydaily.com/breaking-rittenhouse-defense-files-late-motion-for-mistrial-with-prejudice-no-retrial-if-granted/
Okay judge, make the right decision.
Sorry if this theory has already been posted
Now suppose the riot was a complex intel operation, being run from an underground command center many miles away, by intel professionals watching events live on their TV screens, like feeds from numerous “streamers” like Gaige who were running around with their phones, streaming the riot. Suppose that command center was giving orders to their operatives on the ground in the riot through hidden earpieces, using bounced signals from locally positioned repeaters brought in by “Antifa” commanders. Imagine the plan for that night was to make an example out of some patriot who was armed, to counter the images of armed patriots in body armor protesting the Cabal, and make those guys look less scary. Suppose that command center picked Kyle out of the video streams during the early moments of the riot, because he was clearly young, out of shape, naive to how things worked, and looked like a Cherry these seasoned Cabal assets could roll over.
In the trial we learned, that at just the wrong moment, whoever was protecting the CarSource suddenly bailed with no explanation as the crowd moved in (the defense said it in closing). Then, one of the “leaders” of the armed patriots asked 17 year old Kyle to go down there to take the position, and at the same moment, Kyle’s “buddy” in the buddy system the patriots were using, who had been assigned to him earlier (a forty something Army vet), suddenly disappeared inexplicably from the side of the 17 year old kid he should have felt responsible for. So Kyle was suddenly alone and could not find him, just as the order to head to CarSource came in. So Kyle went toward the CarSource alone on orders, where Joseph Rosenbaum was hiding behind a car waiting, and where the FBI had just moved its overhead drone and aviation units to that location to record everything that was about to happen.
What Cabal didn’t know was Kyle was under God’s protection, and just happened to be extra-sharp and highly cool under fire as well. So he smokes two Cabal protesters and cripples a third, all clearly in compliance with all legal strictures, before successfully exfiling and getting to safety. After everything plays out, nobody can say where Rosenbaum came from. Nobody can identify or locate crucial characters, like “Yellow Pants” and “Jump Kick Guy” (both terms from the trial), despite the FBI undoubtedly having the Identification of everyone present that night, and the videos going global. And when Grosskruetz gets admitted to the hospital, somebody knows this will be a clusterfuck, and has the authority to contact the hospital and make sure his name is removed from his admission records, so nobody can find him until they see all the videos, sort out how they are going to deal with it, and figure out what his story will need to be.
It feels like a mad scramble by command after a perfectly planned clock-work op targeting a cherry turned into an epic Goatfuck, and they needed to hide everything until they could figure out how how bad it was, and how they needed to handle it. After Kyle cleaned house, and command gave the order to shut down the riot and send everyone home right after it (why did the shooting not invigorate the crowd to riot even worse?), I will bet there were upwards of a dozen seasoned, high ranking intel professionals gathered in a conference room somewhere shitting bricks, grabbing all the video they could, and trying to figure out how they would keep this epic Goatfuck from blowing stratospheric. I would not be surprised at one point one said, “Well, at least tell me this little shit killed a black guy, so we have something to work with!”
All of that fits together far better as coordinated intel activity, than it does as a random series of events, and odd coincidences, which left Kyle all alone, in the middle of the mob, under attack, with multiple aviation over him.
From anonymous onset active.com
Found in the bin… 🙁
I reached the same conclusion based on the portions of the trial I watched. Seems clear the Zeminskis are fed assets directing Rosenbaum, if not feds themselves.
Richards even referred to Zeminski as a puppeteer in his closing, and noted how close together Zeminski and Rosenbaum were all night long. In other words, Richards walked right up to the line of the accusation, but stuck to the evidence he had.
I wonder whether defense was able to depose Zeminski prior to trial. Probably not, since he would have just pled the 5th since he was charged with reckless discharge of a firearm I believe.
Would be really great if whoever leaked the drone footage also leaked on Zeminski.
The prosecution withholding exculpatory evidence from the defense should be grounds for an immediate mistrial with prejudice, and both prosecutors should be disbarred for that stunt. Gross violations of both ethical rules and Kyle’s Constitutional rights. Their actions make them the lowest kind of scum, and a taint on the legal profession, both of them.
Bravo! Yes, indeedy. I have been mulling the same scenario, other details bothering me is the failure to use the FBI warrant on Grosskruetz’s phone and its complete disappearance. Suddenly his vids are of no interest. Not even to defense, this would suggest suppression. Seems just like one of those antifas engaged to carry a button in ear to control other swarms as described in the recruitment sessions. Kyle was unable to turn himself in to law enforcement on the street, bit strange. maybe I’m pushing too far. Thanks for the post and theory. Very useful.
Yes, Stu. This makes so much sense to me and answers a lot of the questions I have. Grosskuertz being admitted to the hospital under a false name was one such question. Why? He is a member of one of the many revolutionary groups but no one is allowed to know that, yet Kyle is painted as militia and a white supremacist with no such evidence in existence. Grosskuertz testified Kyle made him suspicious b/c of his chain smoking all night. Oh, the horror! Such a hardened criminal! How come we never see Kyle with a cigarette in any of the 5,000 videos from that night?
Why was the case not immediately thrown out when Leave-it-to-Binger went after Kyle’s 1A right to remain silent or when he told one of his many lies during the entirety of the trial? (“He shot him in the back.” Really?) And he doesn’t know that a person does not have to be armed with a gun larger than yours or anything else for that matter, to be considered dangerous. Ask any cop. “Did he have a gun? Did he have a bat? A knife? A club? Oh, only a skateboard!” “A boot, but only one boot.” This idiot made me sick and I hope all the jurors felt the same way I did.
I also wonder why the DA assigned ADA Leave-it-to-Binger to this case. Was it b/c he is so familiar with Judge Schroeder having argued before him in over 400 cases and knows how to get his way with him? Hmmm
The State had the identity of JumpKickMan (a black felon) from the git-go. Why was he not put on the witness stand? Defense was only told who he was once the jury went into deliberations.
So many questions. So little time.
Withholding that name from the defense is also a crime and unbecoming of a prosecutor.
Sorry I don’t know how to edit
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click on the settings rosetta to your bottom right, and then on edit. Only you see it when you wave your move around.
The corrupt liberal media came for me, just like they came for Kyle Rittenhouse, and if he decides to sue I say go for it and hold the media accountable: NICHOLAS SANDMANN
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10208119/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-NICHOLAS-SANDMANN-media-defamation.html
In 2010, Grosskreutz (antifa punk that was shot in arm) was arrested and charged with hitting his grandmother in the face during a dispute, during which he also threw a lamp and damaged a wall.
Charges on him were all dropped 2 days before the trial began.
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We now know: Binger withheld the original drone video from Kyle’s defense team
The version of the drone footage given to the defense was NOT the same version the prosecution had Binger only provided the HD original the Saturday AFTER each side had rested
And here is the HD version that was withheld from the defense team The HD version clearly shows Kyle did not aim his rifle at the Ziminskis
Not good. The decision shouldn’t have taken more than a couple of hours. They’re apparently planning on convicting him of something.
Last night I was thinking maybe they didn’t want to render their verdict during night time hours. The crowd on the steps of the courthouse were very loud and the jurors could hear them inside. (That was information from one of the press pool inside the courtroom.) They will still have a hung jury I think. There are way too many snowflakes who can’t think for themselves in Kenosha, only 40 miles north of Chicago. #prayforkyle
It’s getting late in the day, doubt anyone will read this as it gets buried in hundreds of other comments and newer articles from SD. So I’ll call it a kind of late-night rambling therapy. But there’s a point to it.
There’s something about all this that really bothers me. To understand where I’m coming from, we need to climb up to the 50,000 ft level to take in the entire historical scope of what’s going on in America. “America”, the historical America that we had to study from around fourth grade through high school, no longer exists. The Constitutional Republic has fallen, we need to wrap our minds around that fact and consider its implications.
Think of America back in the late 1850’s. I’m not trying to draw any historical parallels here, just considering the mindset of the average citizen back in those days. What did we see? Division. Political division, religious division, philosophical division.
There was hardly any aspect of society that wasn’t affected by the divisive events of the day. And those divisions were rapidly forming along well-known geographic lines: North vs. South. Slavery was one of the most divisive issues of that time, but polite people didn’t bring it up in mixed company. Why not? The vocal Abolishinist was considered too radical, even candidate Abe Lincoln tried to steer clear of the label for fear of losing votes; the pro-slavery crowd wrapped their beliefs in the self-righteous cloak of “states rights”. There was no middle ground, you reach point where compromise no longer works.
True, there were acts of civil disobedience and violence (John Brown’s raid at Harper’s Ferry, Kansas-Missouri conflict). But by 1860, it was clear to any who dared look where the country was headed. In my opinion, secession was determined largely by a relatively small group of foolish, arrogant, self-serving politicians who grossly underestimated Lincoln and his resolve to keep the Union together.
They thought they could quickly force a surrender with a brief all out armed assault on D.C. They were wrong. It took four long years, 700,000 dead, and nearly twice that many wounded to bring the mess to an end. Over 50,000 were killed in just one battle — Gettysburg. Despite executing a masterful retreat, Lee would never get that far north again. It should have ended there, especially given the fact Confederates had lost control of the Mississippi after Vicksburg (a few months before Gettysburg).
But the politicians back home on their plantations said, “Fight on!” Lee and the generals who served under him, most of whom were accomplished military tacticians, could see the bloody handwriting running down the wall. Despite these critical defeats, they continued to put duty above all else. Lee could have marched his army south right up to Jefferson Davis’s front porch and forced him to end the what was clearly turning into to be a pointless slaughter.
The point of this little dissertation, goes back to polite people. It was the polite people who contributed most to the start of the Civil War. They did so by virtue of their silence, endless compromises, and refusal to take a definitive stand on slavery, or anything else for that matter.
It was the polite people who constantly reminded their lessers about the importance to do one’s duty. It was the polite people, safely ensconced in their warm secure homes, demanding that other people’s sons lie gut shot under a baking July sun as their bodies bloated up like balloons.
Which brings us to the current events. There’s something none of the self-anointed media “conservatives” want to discuss, at least not on any public forum: active resistance against ANTIFA. Even after seeing like-minded colleagues terrorized and frog-marched around by the FBI, these people still refuse to see the handwriting on the wall; they wave their hands and gnash their teeth; they do “bombshell” “emergency” broadcasts; the yell and scream at their audiences about how outrageous things have become.
Thus far, I’ve seen only two conservative media figures spitting in the faces of this American Nazi government: Steve Bannon and Alex Jones. Both have solid growing audiences; Jones fights in the mud, blood, and beer; Bannon is more of a Jeffersonian philosopher warrior who once advised the President; each is a proactive fighter, organizer and leader. And there are others coming to the front: Raheem Kassam, Jack Prosobeic, Dr. Peter Navarro, just to name a few.
People just can’t bring themselves to get radicalized and take a proactive stand; they can’t move beyond words, they’re too polite to pick up a rock, a stick, knife or hatchet. They’re too embarrassed (a form of politeness) to engage friends, neighbors or even family members in important political discourse, let alone actual action. They can’t fathom physical violence, even after it happens to them or a member of their family.
Kenosha is now surrounded by FBI-supported ANTIFA storm troopers, so where are all those flag-waving chest-thumping NRA braggarts in their FJB t-shirts and red MAGA hats? The real issue isn’t what Mr. Rittenhouse did, it was the sad fact he had to do it alone.
Thomas Paine coined an apt term for these people: sunshine patriots ! The polite people.
Wake up! It’s time to start coloring outside the lines. It’s time we change the pictures in the coloring book.
OBTW: You can choose from any number of historical references to make the same point: Germany of the mid-30’s; ancient Rome after the fall of the Republic and the corruption of the Senate; the years leading up to our own Revolutionary War; the endless compromises and concessions made by North American tribal peoples as they were push out of their lands.
And my favorite: the failure of the Japanese people to rise up against a tyrannical govt. bent on sacrificing every last citizen in a war that, by late 1944, was clearly not winnable.
Once again, I’m not saying our situation is exactly like any of those, every one is different; but every one of these events has one common element — people who could’ve acted, could have intervened, failed to do so out of some sense of “duty” or social responsibility. The polite people.
and finally it was their emperor who surrendered and saved the Japanese people from their military.
When good people fail to act, bad people succeed. Yeah, it’s not the exact quote but it is the gist of it. And true.
Good people don’t keep slaves or protect those who do. You have some serious disconnect issues.
5 northern states kept slaves.
You lost me at “Lincoln and his resolve to keep the union together.” He had no Constitutional RIGHT to keep the union together. That is where North and South will NEVER agree. If the American colonies could kick the UK in the teeth and form the USA, the CSA could kick the USA in the teeth and form their own government, and they did, with a President, cabinet, and a Constitution that was copied more often than not by the Eastern Block countries who came out of Communism. Shown a Confederate battle flag, a Romanian intern at one of the places I worked in the 1990s said “I love that flag. It is the flag of people who want to be free.” Yes. It is. And we STILL want to be free. Not permitting us to go our way was the ultimate tyranny and hypocrisy. There is no “perpetual union” under our founding documents in the USA. None. States are free to leave if their people so desire. That is foundational law. The fact a power drunk tyrant run by radicals used mercenaries from Germany and Ireland to destroy that part of the country who exercised that right to leave does not change the fact that the Confederacy had the Constitutional RIGHT to leave.
You cannot force a union at gun point. We true Southerners still hate the Yankee states for the total war that was made on our civilians. We still hate the Yankee states for not living up the principles of the Constitution and permitting us to seek better guardians of our liberties. We are a battered spouse forced to remain in a loveless marriage by violence and intimidation. We are militarily occupied and colonized. We don’t forgive. We don’t forget.
Human Beings were kept as slaves and you tap dance, pirouette, pivot and twirl around with nonsensical bleatings about “States Rights”. Yeah … lets just fight the Civil War all over again while our Country stands on the precipice. How anyone can toss away States like New York (MY State) or California after the election fraud we’ve seen is truly depraved indifference. We are one Country and we need to stand together.
I agree with your sentiments.
Too many believe that slavery was the main driver of the civil war. No, it was state rights. Slavery was the tool used to sow division because it was a hot topic- and the anti-slavery sentiment in the U.S. was quickly growing (and more so in the South, believe it or not).
The main issue surrounded the mills used to process the cotton. The Yankees (known as carpetbaggers) would travel down and buy cotton to be processed in the northern factories. The reason slavery came into play as the tool to sow division was because the Yankees started pressuring the plantations to stop using slave labor (or lower their prices). This was going on for a few years.
No issues with that setup until- the South started building factories of their own. They realized- why send our cotton north when we can own our factories. Those factories being made and the decline in northern revenues was the spark for what is now history.
The details I share are not in the weeds, but that is the high-level summary of the situation.
Slavery is a life and death predicament to God’s children and to your kind … “a hot topic”!
And the war was so unpopular in the North that Lincoln had to imprison journalists for their writings.
Using the humanitarian issue of slavery was his way of garnishing support for the war.
Using the humanitarian issue of slavery was President Lincoln’s way of garnishing support for a war being fought about states’ right’s to have slaves … yes. Were the Nazi’s within their nationalistic rights
to enslave Jews seeing how you believe it can be considered a state’s right? You should hang your head in abject shame.
The whole of the US was engaged in a civil war which certainly justifies martial law. There were military actions fought in 19 States.
“Outside the courthouse a mob of pre-staged Black Lives Matter (BLM) and FBI supported ANTIFA…”
The Left are in the streets while the Right continues to implicitly place its faith in the…ahem… august bodies of the FBI and the judicial system.
Obviously, the Russian people did not have the historical example we Americans do of the former’s 70 years of Bolshevik hell. To be a conservative American you have to lie to yourself copiously, dither about in abject fear-based denial and/or remain oblivious to the last century of history.
BLM & FBI-supported ANTIFA agitators shouting…no justice, no peace–if Kenosha don’t get it, burn it down
Calling all PATRIOT BIKERS!
“if kenosha don’t get it down, then burn it down.” nobody in the democrat party thinks that’s a terrorist threat.
Late yesterday the defense filed a motion for a mistrial based on the fact that the sleazy prosecutor had withheld crucial information.
Apparently they had a high definition copy of the video that is the centerpiece of their case that they didn’t show until the very end of the trial.
Previously they had shown the murky, dark version that was impossible to decipher.
Praying for a mistrial!
Defense files motion for mistrial.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210087/Prosecutors-Kenosha-shooter-trial-WITHHELD-evidence-defense.html
Can’t say I’m surprised Binger overlooked (/s) this. I’ve thought he was angling for mistrial with prejudice since I started paying attention, around the time of Kyle’s testimony.
Rev’d comment because I missed your sarc tag at first.
Agree it was intentional. I was watching when they sent the jurors out so Binger could make his case to include the video. The defense provided their copy and as the judge was saying that he couldn’t see anything, Binger immediately said “Oh, we need to use our copy. It’s better.”
The longer this goes on the more threats and other deeds can effect jury.
And many have noted the security is not robust around the Court House?
Is this the plan?
Too much faith in the Wisconsin NG who are under orders from the Democrat governor. The very deployment of the Guard, by suggesting that there will be rioting in the event of acquittal can be viewed as part of the jury intimidation campaign.
Indeed,… the Jim Jones M$M Cult lied about a blk criminal who was shot while resisting arrest and attempting to assault the KPD that led to Intended illegal Riots in Kenosha that the local/State authorities allowed to occur, and that led to Rittenhouse being assaulted.
The same Jim Jones Cult media then lied about Kyle’s self defense from the rioting Antifa/BLM hired Criminals to taint the jury pool and bamboozle their Stepford Wives audience to believe that he’s a guilty YT Supremacist vigilante who must be jailed,…… or the Jim Jones M$M will whip up another Peaceful Protest via Arson/Looting/Assaults with mayhem if he’s found Not Guilty.
The Guilty here are the Jim Jones Cult Media, Prosecutor Binker/Co., and the Local/State/National Marxist Dem leaders/Instigators.
I don’t know how it works out there but this trial should have been moved to a different jurisdiction. Regardless I worry this kid is not getting exonerated..
Where is the.National Guard? Was it merely a suggestion by the Dem Guv? THEY should be outside the courthouse.
Also, why wasn’t the jury sequestered?
These thugs had their way in too many cities last year. We do NOT need a repeat of that!
I heard Jason Whitlock say Kyle taking the stand was the most courageous thing he has seen in the last 10 years.
And he’s not the only one recognizing the character of this 18 year old man.
Maybe someone over here might know answers to the following questions.
https://markone1blog.wordpress.com/2021/11/17/how-does-marcys-law-fit-in-to-justice-inequity/
Im not sure (unlike the sandmann situation) that Kyle deserves to be a martyr. He killed in self defense, however his decision to bring a loaded ar15 to a riot was inexcusable imo and he should not be rewarded for it.
I can’t believe I argued and fought with people over using the term, “Karen” ?! God Almighty … there is such a thing! So “Karen” … you’ll go with letting the mob burn down the city while law enforcement stands fully equipped and idly by?
Should Kyle have brought an unloaded gun? Protecting yourself against an already angry mob is now considered provocation and when they attack you you’ve lost all right to self defense?
Wait … do you work in the Kenosha DA’s office?
“This information is not based on reality. This is a left-wing cult. They are pumping stuff out and then they are confirming this belief. They are all getting together and they are ignoring contrary evidence. They are ignoring any narrative that challenges there belief about what happened and they are not looking at it realistically. They are only looking at it like you would if you were in a f**kin cult.”
https://rumble.com/vpbpnk-joe-rogan-on-kyle-rittenhouse-and-the-left-wing-media-cult.html
November 17, 2021
Kyle Rittenhouse’s attorneys allege that the prosecution hid evidence
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/kyle_rittenhouses_attorneys_allege_that_the_prosecution_hid_evidence.html
During the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, the prosecution argued that Kyle provoked the men who attacked him by waving his gun. To prove this, during the trial, the prosecution gave the defense fuzzy drone footage. There was a great deal of argument about what could be extrapolated from that fuzzy view. It turns out that the prosecution had within its possession a high-quality video that it played for the judge after the trial ended. On this, and other evidentiary grounds, the defense moved for a mistrial with prejudice.
The defense motion states the facts with sufficient clarity that I’m going to reprint them here verbatim:
On November 5. 2021, the fifth day of trial on this case, the prosecution turned over to the defense footage of a drone video which captured some of the incident from August 25, 2020. The problem is, the prosecution gave the defense a compressed version of the video. What that means is the video provided to the defense was not as clear as the video kept by the state. The file size of the defense video is 3.6 MB and the state’s is 11.2 MB. Further, the dimensions on our video are 480 x 212, the state’s, 1920 x 844. The video which was in the state’s possession, wasn’t provided to the defense until after the trial concluded. During the jury instructions conference, the defense played their version of the video for the court to review. The state indicated their version was much clearer and had their tech person come into court to have the court review their clearer video. The video is the same; the resolution of that video, however, was not. The state did not provide their quality video to the defense until Saturday, November 13, 2021, and only did so upon specific request by Attorney Wisco — two days before closing arguments and after the evidence had been closed.
I’m losing my mind.
Rittenhouse judge has officially jumped the shark.
Requires a little catch-up to appreciate: last night the defense’s motion to dismiss (with prejudice) was released. From the motion, it turns out that not only did the prosecution sandbag the defense with new drone footage near the end of trial — now it comes out the copy the prosecution gave the defense was compressed, meaning shorter and fuzzier that what the prosecution had — and which the prosecution kept hidden until AFTER witnesses; they pulled it out only to persuade the judge during jury instructions on Friday. And this drone footage happens to be the very drone footage at issue with the outrage over the AI-enhanced photo — it’s the source for the clip the prosecution generated with AI, to create a fuzzy blob, which prosecution is falsely claiming shows Rittenhouse pointing a gun (with his left hand).
Whether Rittenhouse “pointed the gun” without being threatened literally would be the difference in the whole case. They are counting on tech confusion to get away with this — and it’s worked. So let’s tell it like it is: As a hail Mary, at the very last second, the prosecution took clear HD drone footage from the FBI (which they supposedly just received); they took a clear HD video, zoomed in on about 3 seconds, fuzzed it up using AI, to make it so that you can no longer clearly make out what’s happening. They claimed it showed something — based on the fuzzy image — which is belied about the clear footage and all the other evidence. They shamed and browbeat the judge into accepting the dubious evidence. Meanwhile — it turns out they NEVER GAVE the defense the clear footage they had. They gave a crappy version. If the defense had the HD version, they’d have easily been able to call out the absurdity of creating a fuzzy derivative using AI.
Sorry this is all so long. But just now — the jury asked to see video evidence, and the defense pointed to their PENDING objection over the drone footage. Pause right here. The judge MUST address this massive accusation regarding the evidence. But what does the judge do? Admit he hasn’t read it, and starts carping about trivial things he’s read about himself in the Milwaukee Sentinel.
ARGHHH!!! This judge is unraveling. He’s only thinking about himself. He waxed on about milquetoast critiques about HIMSELF.
This boy’s life is at stake. This judge just revealed his vanity. This is a MURDER trial! Who cares if the Milwaukee Sentinel is nitpicking about YOU, judge.
I had hoped the judge may be a final safety rail on fairness and due process. But he’s lost the plot.
Not good to already be yelling at the TV by 9am.