A three judge panel in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in Louisiana has temporarily blocked the Biden administration OSHA vaccination mandate [Court Ruling Available Here].
A group of states including Louisiana and Texas along with businesses, religious groups and organizations filed their petition on Friday with the court. The Biden administration must reply to the court by 5:00pm Monday thereafter the court will decide if a permanent injunction is warranted.
New York Times – […] At the core of the legal challenge is the question of whether OSHA exceeded its authority in issuing the rule and whether such a mandate would need to be passed by Congress. […] The suit against the mandate stated that President Biden “set the legislative policy” of substantially increasing the number of Americans covered by vaccination requirements, and “then set binding rules enforced with the threat of large fines.”
“That is a quintessential legislative act — and one wholly unrelated to the purpose of OSHA itself, which is protecting workplace safety,” the suit said. “Nowhere in OSHA’s enabling legislation does Congress confer upon it the power to end pandemics.”
A separate lawsuit against the new rule was also filed on Friday in the Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit in St. Louis by 11 Republican-led states, among them Texas, Mississippi, South Carolina and Utah.
The Fifth Circuit panel said in a brief order, signed by a deputy clerk, that the judges were blocking the regulation “because the petitions give cause to believe there are grave statutory and constitutional issues with the mandate.” It said the rule was suspended “pending further action by this court.” (read more)
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Plus *BOOSTERS* every 6 months or so…..
Everything that the interloper does needs to be halted. He is so obviously not capable of making sound decisions for the USofA.
Do you really believe Brandon had anything to do with this EO (except autographing it)? This is a product of Brandon’s handlers, read: Obama’s Deep State. Mumbles is an avatar.
He needs to be removed by force.
He should be removed, but since he’s not really running the country, not much will change.
Just one Secret Service Agent with nothing to lose and a flying tackle off the podium.
*Crunch*
You have no idea how closely those people are monitored 24/7/365 inside and out. Surveillance Stuff that would make the Stasi cream their shorts combined with A.I. data analysis and monitoring that can read and predict their thoughts and behaviors before they can.
An agent that might be a problem would get sent to training or reassigned somewhere else for a while and never even know that they’re predicted behavior was the reason for the reassignment. It’s just part of being in the Service. Of course the solutions become more overt if the problems detected become more noticeable in nature.
If something crazy ever did happen with an agent going rogue you can bet it’s because some sketchy people in charge let it happen.
Since he’s obviously in final stage Alzheimer’s, it won’t be too long before we learn that he didn’t wake up this morning to eat his applesauce. Or maybe it was much too long …
All right, I’m going in. Semper Fi.
No way is this demented idiot in charge…it’s the JoeBama Junta in charge. The country is run by a committee of Marxists, globalists and sworn enemies of the United States.
When Osama Obama told us he was weeks away from “fundamentally transforming the US”, he wasn’t kidding…they have been working on this for years. And they are moving with lightning speed to destroy this country. And the attacks are coming from all fronts…healthcare, military, courts, food, energy. You name it, they will sabotage any industry.
We have the majority of states required to call for a convention of the states. The founders of this country knew that sooner or later the Federal government would need to be put in its place.
Call the damn convention and let’s stop this communist shyte in its tracks.
I would bet that the threat of a convention of the states, placing term limits on Congress and courts would cause these government leeches to become patriotic real fast.
Nope they have a plan to destroy America and they are well on their way
Yes the convention of the states could make them the enemy of this country.
Then we can start rounding them up and putting them in jail.
Convention of the States could actually make the government tyrants the domestic terrorist.
We could abolish the FBI, CIA, IRS, and so on. This is how we stop them, and if it does come down to shooting war, they will be the insurrectionist.
Go for the jugular right now.
They have the military
If you are scared that is good. Now what you do after that is what defines you.
The max effective range of an excuse is Zero meters.
It’s not an excuse to say why an idea might be a bad one.
Excuse me.
Saying we the people can not take our country back because they have the military.
That is making an excuse.
Basically it is saying they have the military, so let’s just give up.
Well, maybe we both read that comment differently. I thought that it implied that a PARTICULAR idea would not work because they (allegedly) have the Military. (And maybe they do, but that’s not my point.) My point is that rejecting one idea is not the same as giving up.
Again, we may have read that comment differently. Maybe it seemed to imply one thing to me and seemed to imply another thing to you.
You are most likely correct.
We can agree to disagree, but still keep working for a solution.
The biggest problem is that we are running out of options
What’s the other plan?
Submission to domination?
MOTIVATED
DEDICATED!
ONWARD TO VICTORY!
They do not have the military.
Challenge your thoughts, and see how grounded they are. because your thoughts are used to submit and surrender you and they work very hard on shaping your thoughts.
They had the military in Afghan and Iraq That didn’t work out so well either
That’s what we been led to believe, if and when it comes down to it, will they really have the military.
Come to find out they don’t have all the police
That’s a question that’s been on my mind for years. Face to face, who’s side are they really on. Same goes for the cops and sheriffs across the country. Sadly lately we’ve seen some of those chose the side that pays their bills. The answer I come to over and over is ya won’t know until you’re face to face with them.
That’s what they think.
The military has the military.
Convention of the States could actually make the government tyrants the domestic terrorist.
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You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Please enlighten us, one of such high intelligence.
Please tell us this great plan of yours to fix this. If you have a good plan people will follow.
If not, you are just one of the Karen’s that bitches about everything.
Ball is in your corner,
Please lay out your plan
Fix rigged elections
Fix corrupt courts
Fix an unelected President
We have tried all three, now tell us your great plan
The process is called Devolution and it will be accomplished by a self organizing collective of Patriots. This thing we call .gov must be totally delegitemized before it can be run as a Constitutional system again.Why don’t you ‘join the party pal’ … instead of throwing insults around.
The plan will never be published but its delegitemized political dumpster fires are obvious for all to see.
Let’s not forget the SES. Obama expanded them by 80 percent and hand picked every one of them.
Thank you for the reminder. Do not want them to slip thru.
You still need 3/4 of the states to pass amendments to the constitution proposed by a convention of the states.
Until then anything coming out of a convention is little more than a proposal.
…But what about my Amazon stock!?!
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Just like losing an election, a C-O-S would actually Speed Up their diabolical plans.
Share your crystal ball with us.
Most correct. Just like the original Constitutional Congress, such a new convention could actually scrap the existing protections and make way for an entirely new construct. One can be sure that the elite are quite prepared to take advantage of such an opportunity to completely void the Constitution and set in its place a body of control in which the concept of grant of authority and individual rights will not be included. That has always been a dangerous road to travel.
Wrong.
The issues are set in advance.
Requires 3/4 of the states to ratify amendments regardless of their origin.
Double post.
Well they will fail. Have Faith.
Johnny, with due respect, the convention of the states is a slippery slope. The only precedent is the original convention who’s sole purpose was to tweak the articles of confederation. Instead the great minds of the founders gave our constitution and bill of rights, and “a republic if you can keep it”. Regardless of what anyone says there can be no limits placed on the agenda for a convention. The people that would be running it and jockeying for power positions would be the same ones that created the current mess. I for one can name very few that I would trust with that responsibility.
In addition there have been several “alternative” constitutions proposed. They begin as academic exercises, like the one funded by the Rockefellers many years ago. These are waiting in desk drawers for the right opportunity to be sprung upon the citizens that are desperate to fix things once and for all. The problem we have is not the constitution as written but the lack of adherence and faithfulness to it by the people in power. Unfortunately the best course of action is the tedious replacement of the corrupt with people of higher character. It is taking place but a daunting task indeed.
Tonester
I thank you for the well thought out response. Thank you for articulating your concerns rather well.
I agree it is a slippery slope, but I put forth a question that anyone can try to answer.
How do we stop this rogue government when elections are rigged, courts are corrupt, and if we rise up we are the terrorists?
We have got to turn the tables now. We must make them the terrorists.
Every officer in government takes an oath to not let any law go against ANY rights of the people. They are ignoring that oath. It is time they pay.
I think the Sons of Liberty, in their day, we’re probably seen as terrorists by some. Public Opinion and threat of British law did not deter them.
Hint, Hint, wink, wink nudge, nudge.
It’s not as slippery as the uninformed alarmists portray it as. And if it turns pear shaped on us we’ve lost nothing since that’s our current trajectory any way.
*In Case of Fire Break Glass*
Thank you Big Jake.
Johnny, I think the C o S would be the equivalent of driving a car off a cliff. And people are saying not to do it, without having an alternative route planned out.
If someone says “don’t drive off a cliff” it’s nonsensical to dismiss their words because they have not provided an alternative.
Please explain how a Convention of States is worth the risk (of losing the Constitution, for example).
… or explain how there can be no downside to a Convention of States
Please explain the upside of continuing down the road we are on.
We have tried
Elections- that was stolen
Courts- they told us no standing
Congress-Please feel free to give them a call!
Now what fork in this road should we take?
I also can say, don’t keep driving down this road you are on because there is a minefield across it.
But you off hand dismiss my statement.
Pay attention closely. Call for it. get them to say F YOU. so you can wake up see the truth.
the longer we pretend the Uniparty will not say F YOU to US the longer we let them pick us off 1 by 1 and “the hitler to jew gas chamber analogy”
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aggitate aggitate agggitate Everyone Around you. One person will have LOST TO MUCH and they will TANK MAN.
This is very much like the process of correcting a bad batch of tenants in a rental property. It can be done the long slow painful way, evicting one apartment at a time, replacing with incrementally better tenants who are willing to live in the building as you get rid of the other bad tenants in the other units. That’s a long struggle.
The easier way, if you can swing it, is to throw everybody out. Clean out the entire building, rebuild the structure as needed after the vermin are out, and then the pool of decent tenants willing to move in is larger and better.
We have the same situation in this nation. (Nearly) No decent person is willing to run for office at all because of the filth they will be subjected to, and the hopelessness of the situation when they try to do good. Who wants to be subjected to attacks by terrorists, plus attacks by fellow board members, council members, or congressional rodents, knowing that no work they attempt to do will be allowed to succeed? Look at MTG as an example. How long can she continue as she has? Massive support needs to be available to keep those few in the fight but even better would be a complete housekeeping.
Not sure how we can do it. With tenants it is possible to throw them all out and start over. With baser pestilence sometimes the whole building needs to be burned to the ground to start over.
Shadow, to your point, I think Steve Bannon made an excellent suggestion. He advocates for having an army of perhaps
20, 000 willing citizens ready to flood the bureaucracy to take the place of deep staters who would be summarily dismissed as soon as we can get a MAGA friendly candidate (Trump, DeSantis?) back in office. Then they should make their move like there was no tomorrow.
Sadly this might have happened in 2017 but even Trump himself was not prepared for the level and breadth of corruption. No doubt the founders were up against greater odds and prevailed but from this vantage point it sometimes appears next to impossible.
Yep, that is the evict everybody and start over approach. It works if you have the deep pockets to do it, and the courts allow the evictions. When the courts are part of the corruption the burn it down and build a new one approach may be all that’s left. I would say the jury is out on that yet but the crooked courts don’t let anything get to the trial stage so there is no jury to decide the issue.
Once you recognize that the the existing governmental construct is a massive fraud, and has been for more than 150 years, and the mechanism to correct the injustice is made known, then the solution presents itself.
https://tasa.americanstatenationals.org
Come on, People! Get with the program!
Thank you for being a voice of reason.
A Convention of States would risk our entire Constitution, as you said.
And besides, we do have other options. It’s not too late to fix our corrupt election processes. And who knows, with enough people waking up to the Uniparty, surely more people will vote pro-America. Do the corrupt politicians and their allies have the resources to steal every election? Every state election, and every local election?
Is our constitution at risk right now?
Not like from a C o S. It’s not fully respected, but we do still have it.
“A Convention of States would risk our entire Constitution, as you said.”
Alarmist nonsense.
No, it isn’t. It’s a reasonable concern. The first convention was meant to amend the Articles of Confederation. They scrapped the agenda they were given. What’s to stop that from happening again?
What’s to stop them? How about 13 states out of 50 refusing to ratify the amendments proposed.
Do you not understand the amendment process?
Yep! Unbelievable comments.
Nonsense!
It needs amending, especially repeal of the 17th. You think the Congress is going. to propose it?
A convention of states isn’t a legislature. It proposes amendments and they require 3/4 of the states approval for ratification.
Okay. Let’s just continue with/on our national suicide pact/road to perdition. Seems to be working quite well. /sarc
THANK YOU for a great explanation.
Again, the brakes are 3/4 of the states required to pass amendments. It’s a high threshold to meet when trying to establish a dictatorship.
I no longer trust that things that seem impossible won’t come to pass.
i.e. The supreme court will surely rule that the election (2020) was fraught with fraud and call for a new election.
The Republican governor and sec of state in Georgia will back the efforts to have a real forensic audit of the 2020.
The military is incorruptible and will storm the White House and restore Pres. Trump.
There is a process in place to both repeal and propose amendments to the constitution and it has functioned well over the years. But most importantly it does not permit the total reset of the constitution as a whole and amendment or repeal still require the 3/4 approval of the states as you say. Our representatives don’t act in the country’s best interest now. Does anyone really believe they will rally to give us term limits, a balanced budget amendment, etc.?
No matter how well meaning those out there feel about the safety of a con-con you must accept that you will have zero input into the process. We all know too well the feeling of receiving the form letter from our representatives stating, “your opinion is important to me…”. If a con-con ever came to pass be prepared for form letters on steroids.
Call the damn convention and let’s stop this communist shyte in its tracks.
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Worst possible thing to do. Only those who don’t fully understand the far reaching ramifications of a Constitutional convention would call for one. There’s a reason it’s called a Con-con.
It’s not a Constitutional Convention. It’s a Convention of States with issues determined IN ADVANCE.
**HUGE DIFFERENCE.**
Big Jake
Ignore the idiot, according to his own statements he is the all knowing grand wizard.
Indeed.
Take heed that if Congress calls a convention, ‘their’ chosen Delegates, as proxies of the People, would have the inherent power to make unlimited changes in the Constitution – even to establish a new form of government. But the COS lobby “assures” ?? state legislators that nothing can go wrong because Article V amendments require the approval of three-fourths of the states. They overlook (or cover up) the fact that a new Constitution would have a new mode of ratification, even as the 1787 Convention adopted a new mode, making it easier to ratify the new Constitution.
COS would be our countries biggest mistake. What selected bureaucrat group on ‘either’ side would anyone trust to OPEN such a document for change⁉️
In this day and age of little morality, it would be like opening Pandora’s Box‼️
To all the naysayers:
Any new mode of ratification would require an amendment and 3/4 of the states to ratify it. A convention of states isn’t a legislature. The delegates would be appointed by each individual state. It proposes amendments and they require 3/4 of the states approval for ratification.
The constitution needs amending, especially repeal of the 17th. You think 2/3 of the senate will vote for an amendment to repeal the 17th and send it to the states for ratification?
REPEAT:
REPEAL OF THE 17TH AMENDMENT WILL CURE MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND IT WILL REQUIRE A CONVENTION OF THE STATES BECAUSE 2/3 OF THE US SENATE ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR IT!
Great explanation.
The COS may be a necessary tool to gain back our bill of rights which has become a list of privileges. I believe it’s all in the timing. The current political apparatus along with it’s corporate donors must first be delegitemized and replaced beforehand.
There’s nothing wrong with our Constitution; the problem is our government refuses to follow the Constitution
No convention of states will fix that.
Too many people are looking for a magic fix to a problem that has been growing for a century.
There is no magic fix. There is a load of hard work and sustained diligence to clean up the mess a step at a time.
That starts with making sure your precinct elections are clean and fair, then city/county, then state.
I agree with you totally, there is nothing wrong with our constitution.
My problem is our government is crapping all over we the people, then using the constitution as toilet paper.
Now the problem is how do we stop it?
I agree, while the original Constitution has a few holes, ie no term limits for example, most of the abuses have been from subsequent ‘amendments’ or as a result of complete lawlessness on the part of the DC swamp to ignore clear limitations to their power or the ‘States’.
Regardless, until we get rid of the voting machines, any path to reinforce the ‘enlightenment principles’ of the founders Constitution, could back fire in big way.
We the People must remove the voting machines before this can work.
AMEN!
It’s hard to reconcile this as a workplace safety issue, when one’s chances of catching the Covids at a Martha’s Vineyard party is probably higher.
OSHA should be made to explain the inconsistency of their not previously mandating flu shots.
Or hepatitis B or C
Why no mandated AIDS testing, either? People where I work are constantly getting cuts from knives, box cutters, and other sharp objects. Our office has a hard time keeping up with the demand for bandages.
PJ, I should of read one more comment before posting mine.
Why not fire women who are pregnant or demand they get an abortion up to and after 9th month? I mean their idol China did it. Hauled pregnant women out of their homes if they dared to have more than one child and forced abortions on them.
Come on, OSHA. Pregnant women taking 6 weeks off after baby is born is a drain on the company.
Or forced protection for HIV/AIDS- such as mandatory testing.
These people are fools and tyrants. This makes them very very dangerous.
Aids is a necesary viral component to for reverse transcriptase (the means to turn the RNA viruses into DNA for gene regulation, insertion, and human editing via enhanced mutations and transposing.
Based on Biden’s and his followers
intellect, we should know who has aides. It is contagious and deadly.
I agree, there is no pandemic anymore.
the initial pandemic was one fraudalent but accepted at the time because so much of this was ‘unknown’.
We know what Covid is.. We know that the USA is not attacking China for it.
We know that the USA was responsible for the virus in part at least. OR THEY WOULD be preventing the next release from CHINA right now.
(my guess is Biden and his team was responsible for the virus release, and they are now in change of the USA and are making it stand down on China)
Yes, when this first spread out of China it was terrifying. We knew NOTHING about it, except that it was killing masses of people. It could have been biological warfare designed to hand control of the world to the Chi-Coms.
There is still much we don’t know, but we DO now know that it’s a bad American-funded flu…and the answer of the fake vexine is even worse.
Little did we know then, it was actually the ER doctors who were killing all those flu patients. And it continues to this day. This is medical malfeasance.
Scientists from both sides the US and China worked together to get this virus done.
And of course we wrote the check, because our government leaders have always like to be ones to pay for everything.
Like the federal assistance that pays all those hospitals to mistreat their patients? Like that?
because the united nations council of foreign whores – know where the piggy bank is.
the REST OF THE WORLD depends on us.
Hey oh!!! Thank you for bringing that back up. I think they believe we’ve forgotten about that. We haven’t.
Nope, we’re keeping lists. 😉
Let’s hope it doesn’t get to SCOTUS. Barrett, Kavanaugh and Roberts have already shown us they’ll side with the left on this.
It has been very plain to see why we need term limits and age limits in all Federal offices including the Judiciary…
At core we don’t need term limits, we need a functioning legislative branch that takes it’s orders from the citizens as intended. With that the courts would not be allowed to engage in endless judisciaslation. The mechanism to compel the courts to stay in their own lane is clear, cut off the funding.
With a congress elected by the people and following the will of the people the courts would have no funding until the balance of power is restored.
We need to stop outside contributions to elected representatives. Then, perhaps, those elected representatives would pay attention to those who elected them.
My memory is murky, but there was a change in the law around 1968-1970 which opened the corporate floodgates and gave rise to PACs. Tear that out by the root.
Look, all what you wrote is true, too many people have their price. And yet most don’t, this is why they must use voter and election fraud, even now.
Sundance wrote that 27% of the USA would inject their own children. They are mostly lost souls, and yet I cry for their children, even if they do not. What PAC could convince you to trade your children? For about 99.99% of parents beyond these lost souls, no amount of money could do that.
I would suggest that right now, we are 70% Saved and 30% Lost, nationwide based upon the injection numbers above. While that ratio will change the more you arrive at the rotten blue centers, their is still more of us than them, nationally and globally.
How else can you describe the 51% vs 49% vote ‘without’ a combination of election and voter fraud?
No the voting system in too many States is just to give We the People a false hope of a choice, plus provide legitimacy to the ‘official’ outcome of the Tyrants that rule without any true consent, ie the Uniparty.
They may occasionally let a true MAGA representative in, but never in sufficient numbers to change the balance, only to convince the majority, us 70%, that our voices still matter. Namely, that the election system isn’t a fraud all together.
The first step is to get rid of the machines and go back to ID checked double blind hand counted ballots at the Precinct level.
Any ‘representative’ that doesn’t do the above is fool or a fraud.
“Nowhere in OSHA’s enabling legislation does Congress confer upon it the power to end pandemics.”
And of course neither the shots nor the fines are actually capable of “ending the pandemic” or even protecting anyone.
But if millions are fined $600, it would cover the Democrat debt!
Democrat debt will be eaily covered by ACLU winning case, to give over $400,000 up to a millinon to illegal immigrants.
who started the pandemic
have they been shot by the military and hung for treason?
As far as I can tell, FauXI, Birx and crew are still alive and kicking.. as is the gang of eight.
can you recommend a trucking company? or person?
We have our cattle families forming an america first distribution. i’m wondering if it can be comes a supply chain direct to box
like how amazon has amazon boxes at walmarts or gas stations etc.
freezers docked in every partnered county.
I’ll certainly be your customer. I’d buy all my meat like that in a heart-beat! Can you get some pork people involved too, though?
If this gets to SCOTUS, the only justice we have on the side of liberty is Thomas. Gorsuch is a strong possibility. And maybe Alito. I predict a 6-3 decision on the side of FJB.
I am so angry at Kavanaugh and that Amy 2-name whatever.
Maybe Feinstein was right “the dogma” does “live in her.” The dogma of Marxism.
It’s time to go for the whole enchilada and STOP the distribution of an ineffective, unsafe, deadly and irreversibly injurious “potion” that was never once tested.
An actually very-minor illness with a 99.7% survival rate is not a “medical emergency,” and “EUA” was never legal since other treatments (which actually ARE “safe and effective”) have always been known.
Big Pharma has raked in hundreds of BILlions of dollars in profits while hiding from any culpability for all that they have done to so very many. This is and always has been ILLEGAL, and it must stop now. No matter how much you are now being bribed.
As we have said many times…… we is just me but it adds gravitas, SD does it occasionally… your paragraphs one and two are points a Republican genuinely interested in stopping ‘vaccine’ mandates would have been saying for many many months, at every opportunity. Paragraph three is legit as well but ‘we’ haven’t spoken to that as often.
Now we have ‘court cases’, a slight hiccup as ‘vaccine’ mandates continue only marginally abated.
No one in the Federal Government has the authority to order any American citizen to receive an injection of ANYTHING!
No government period. No businesses period.
Please show proof in any state constitution where we as one of the people has gave the authority to government to force one of the people to receive an injection of anything.
Guess what? They can not show you
They can’t force you but they can fire you. They want to crash the economy, they are laughing in their not so secret circles.
Taking the power of the economy away from the working class is a Globalist objective.
Biden was chosen to shame America make it a laughingstock even removing our leadership credibility.
The Biden regime is a joke everyone with half a brain knows this.
The Globalist want Americans frustrated, anxious and on the defensive.
What better way to do this than to install these radical idiots fools in places of power.
These would be globalist have for centuries been a tremendous force in manipulating governments all over the globe.
Now they brought the fight for America right to us.
It’s our fight, they’re trying to take our country away from us, us the middle class the working class.
As we found out with the Paris ‘Climate’ Accord and all those lopsided trade agreements, America’s “working class” provides the fuel to propel their socialism around the globe. Good luck funding socialism without us.
Anybody working in a precarious position wherein the corner offices intend to force genetic modification on the workers should be making preparations for where key components for machinery will be “safely stored” and where passwords for important programs or documents will be tucked away “for security”.
“Nice factory you got there, it’d be a shame if the replacement control dingus for the main production line was lost somewhere.”
Nobody is forcing anybody to be vaccinated.
Democrats want all Americans in food lines.
Crashing the economy and blaming the unvaccinated is the plan.
We wouldn’t be here if plaintifs had been given standing.
The final hammer blow to the Supreme Court’s authority will occur if they rule that the government is within its constitutionally enumerated powers to say that the same government has the legal right to essentially become the Mengele of our time.
If vaxes can be ordered, why not any other medical procedure that is deemed for “your own good” or for the “protection of others”?
A ruling like that from the now, in the main, corrupted and blinkered SC will not budge one single person who has stood against this exercise in tyranny. The ultimate defining of a citizen as, in essence, a serf…owned by the State.
Their rulings have been ignored and spat upon by this illegitimate government. Should this unholy vax mandate be ruled valid, I shall be doing the same.
They could say the right to bear arms are a health risk. Don’t think they haven’t considered it.
As with everything this government does, in the dark of night, behind closed doors, manipulation of language, this is a given. It has been for years. And I’m pretty certain that’s next on the agenda.
“behind closed doors,”
I miss President Trump’s round table discussions.
I remember when Nancy and Shumer refused to talk with Trump in front of cameras.
President Donald Trump invited the media to stick around and watch as he highlights the resistance between his administration and democrats on border security.
Democrat leader Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer were very uncomfortable allowing the media to hear their resistance discussion.
I miss everything about him. He exposed it all. Every crumbling rotten corner of it.
You can bet on it. They want to classify everyone that owns fire arms to be on the mental health issues list. They know no bounds whatsoever.
They already have:
“CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC) has been the nation’s leading public health authority on violence and injury prevention for nearly 30 years. Firearm violence has tremendous impact on the overall safety and wellbeing of Americans. Using a public health approach is essential to addressing firearm violence and keeping people safe and healthy.
CDC’s approach to preventing firearm injuries focuses on three elements: providing data to inform action; conducting research and applying science to identify effective solutions; and promoting collaboration across multiple sectors to address the problem.”
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html
Bestsy,
They are not within they constitutional powers. I BEGGGGGGGGG the supreme court to do what you said. No better way to WAKE EVERYONE up.
this isnt going to be solved through “their ” systems. its going to stop with the People restoring credibility in “our systems”
Yes…it has come to that. Who would have ever believed a year ago this is where we’d be. I knew it would be bad, but all this?
no other possible way for it to go.
Revolution – is full circle by definition. – a great idea of a country is made, and over time usurped, and returned full circle back to DICTATORSHIP. – which then requires another revolution.
we are one of the longest countries in having freedom prior to it returning to where it came from (Kings).
i anticipate a total public uprise demanding the step down of Biden.
Since Camel toe is Constitutionally ineligible to become President, we will then get Piglosi. Maybe we can gently persuade these traitors to install Donald Trump as Speaker, right before Quid Pro Joe’s treasonous cabal is indicted. Wouldn’t that be fun?
Pray God not. She’s cray cray, likely an alcoholic, can’t string two words together, never mind sentences. Sorry I can’t link but there is a video of her on Citizen free press to show exactly what I mean. She incoherent. She’s a mouldy piece of overripe cheese, curling around the edges, cracked and dry. That she is 2nd up after that drooling pervert there now honestly scares the heck out of me.
I think the “Revolution “ should wait until Tuesday because I’m busy on Monday and have to put out trash cans..
“The Biden administration must reply to the court by 5:00pm Monday thereafter the court will decide if a permanent injunction is warranted.”
Ron Klain, the WH puppeteer is confident the mandate will stand…he has someone over at the 5th circuit doling out the backhanders now.
I hope sundance is right;
“The Democrat reliance on the COVID fear as a political tool is wearing off;
perhaps the panic has an expiration date,
or perhaps people are starting to realize the politics of manipulated COVID messaging is just that, ‘political messaging’. “
Yeah….him. Sleaze dripping off him. Over fed and smug.
Not to harsh on you or anyone else, but really? When they demanded that we all wear a yellow star that wasn’t plain enough?
For many others the signs were glaring long before that, but for every person who wasn’t paying attention before, the dictates to put a diaper on your face and march in goosestep should have been beyond confusion.
With respect, I doubt there is a person in this country who could predict the degree and speed of utter totalitarianism that has transpired. Believe me absolutely, I saw the direction of this long ago. And in fact could tell you exactly when. Fifteen years ago when I moved back here from abroad. Within 24 hours after landing. It was in the little things where I started seeing the hand of despots that did not exist when I left the US in 1986. And by little things, as an example, I mean as when I tried to buy some OTC sinus medication and was asked for my driver’s license. For a simple OTC medication. And as silly as it might sound to you, I started asking a lot of questions based on this one simple intrusion and requirement that I hand over proof of who I was so they could write it down. I’ve been paying attention longer than most. My blinkers have been off for decades. And I suspect anyone paying the slightest bit of attention have had that same uneasy feel for longer than you might realize. Something that cannot be described. Just a niggle at first. But we’re well past those now. So I am not a naif, or only just arriving to the party. You’ll just have to take my word on that.
Yep, my suspicious cat nature started in earnest after Watergate and very little over the decades has allayed it.
The Republic is a healthy, robust system. It has been corrupted in practice by humans. Those humans are the disease. Patriots are the antibodies.
It’s worthless to fight an enemy on their battlefield by their rules of engagement, all the while buying them bombs and bullets and materiel.
All this current slow-walk is doing is depleting our resources and enriching the enemy. The 5th panel will have a hearing, bla, bla, then an en banc will be petitioned, bla, bla, then the SCOTUS will be petitioned, bla, bla, and we’ll be talking about the same subject not two years into this attack on our freedoms and liberties but hence three or four years, as more people die or their lives are destroyed by actions of corrupted humans in positions of power.
Hopefully, if successful, this site and the vast majority of its members will survive to repopulate the wonderful system our founders brought forth to the world. Some of us will not survive. That’s how war goes. Expect it.
I am with you, and I do expect it. We are all alert here. It’s just a word game for the courts. Semantics. An intellectual exercise. And words, like statistics, can be manipulated. They are not in their law school moot courts anymore. I feel none, with the exception of Alito and the irreplaceable Thomas, understand the meaning and immutability of the Constitution. Therein lies our problem. For the most part they are ideological and partisan. I see no way to fix it.
As I stated, no intent to harsh on you. In truth I’ll admit that I am one of those who knew that things were tanking a long time ago but kept grinding away trying to survive in my corner, not dreaming that the plan was driven by pure evil. I assumed incompetence, greed, self-serving, but evil on this scale? no.
My point is that the face diapers in response to a clearly fraudulent “pandemic” was so unmistakable that I’m truly shocked by every person who played along. The little encroachments such as you point out have been apparent for you and many others for decades, but I just don’t understand how the intentionally obvious signs of these fascists since “just 2 weeks” was declared can be unclear to anyone since March of 2020. I just don’t understand.
Edit to add: yes, I do believe you. I did before the first post.
Cheers SK… I understand. Thank you. And I am in your corner.
As I have said in another thread long ago, when I was living abroad in the UK, I came in contact with so many American tourists who couldn’t understand why the places they were visiting were not like the US. Where was their steak, ice in their soft drinks, and no air conditioning???? The sacrilege! Never looking up at the gorgeous scenery. Eyes straight ahead. Graham Green had it right. Mindless and inattentive. I bet every one of those I met are wearing masks right now.
I think because everyone trusted Mr Trump, as I did, the two weeks was absolutely believable. But we for the most part had no handle on Herr Fauci. Should have…he’s got an appalling history of cruelty and narcissism. And as much as I like Mr T, I have to say he was either manipulated, or he has appallingly bad judgement in picking people for positions, though I believe it was Pence who pushed Fauci forward. So as this disaster moved well past the time set, I started feeling unsettled.
Nevertheless, what is going on now has been labeled as mass psychosis. And on that I am in total agreement. People who cling to their security masks and haven’t yet connected the dots about vaxes (I know they are not) and how they’ve signed themselves up for a contract that will never end never saying “Hold on a minute…if these work, why am I having to get more and more of them?”
Critical thinking is in short supply, and like you, how more cannot see the manipulation and dangers on so many levels are …well, I’m left open mouthed. Thanks for your post.
The evil that permeates this has taken much deeper root than just some mass hoax. Mass psychosis almost implies that the people are simply fooled, but that is not what is happening. I’ve known this version of evil up close and personal on an individual basis and every aspect is horridly familiar to me. Those who profess to be doing this for our own good will not be reasoned out of the path they have chosen. I have many family members who have gone over to the evil. That is what this is, I recognize it.
I’ve noted elsewhere that what is being done now is extremely familiar to anybody (usually the dad) who has been raped and plundered by the “family” courts. The stripping of all rights and common decency, the intentional impoverishment, the endless circular justifications and all the other aspects are what the evil vermin have been using to destroy families for decades. Now they’re using that same playbook on the general population.
When truly sick people are able to convince other people to emotionally invest in obviously insane narratives, and those people then engage in blatantly immoral and illegal actions, those who have been suckered in invariably seem to follow one of vary few paths. First note that not all are suckered, but when the evil person goes around infecting others they have little investment in the process and if even a small percentage buy in the evil has a win. The individuals who accept the emotional manipulation without regard to the obvious irrational aspects (as in utterly crazy) have already gone far to abandon any commitment to society. When they are then willing to engage in immoral acts (for the good of the children, to save granny, to save the planet…) they have gone even further.
Once having engaged in illegal, immoral and irrational acts (usually all three in one) these same people will then begin to rationalize what they know in their heart to be wrong. This almost always follows just one of two paths. The less evil path is that they have a vestige of conscience left that keeps them from accepting their part in further evil and they then declare that they “are not involved”. These are the petty functionaries in schools, stores, wherever who have abused their power in response to the emotional manipulation, and having been called out directly on their actions realize that maybe they weren’t really acting properly so they make a declaration that they cannot correct what they did “because we (school, store, etc.) are not involved”. They NEVER take action to undo the evil they participated in, but they step back from doing more of the same. This is the best to be hoped for from most of the mob.
The other path, the far more likely path, is that the person who has been suckered in will rationalize and self-justify and will create an entire mythical history to justify their actions. They will be eagerly assisted in that creation of a delusional reality by all the others who have bought in to the emotional manipulation. The echo chamber will be self-reinforcing, and the delusion will become their all. Their very existence will eventually depend on that delusion being maintained as “reality”. They know on a basic level that their entire existence has become a vast web of lies but their primal fear of dying is stronger than their will to seek truth and the real world. Because their actual existence, their entire personality, is now dependent upon maintaining the fictional reality they will cling to that web of lies despite all evidence and despite all harm they know it causes. They cling like a drowning rat to a scrap of wood. They will fight you for their very life to deny all logic, truth, evidence, reasoning, appeal to conscience or any other plea; because to them the delusion IS their life. To them letting go of that delusion means accepting that all they have done is based in lies and evil, and it means that they may be thrust into yet another reality that may be just as false. They’ll cling to what they know to be a false reality because it’s less frightening to them than what the next may be.
Look up borderline personality disorder and you will se this evil quantified.
This is much worse than most people understand.
Yes on the blundering Americans who don’t grasp that they aren’t in Kansas anymore.
A superb analysis, SK. I can add nothing to this. That you have some experience with persons and outlooks of the type you describe gives an absolute legitimacy to everything you say. I don’t need to look up BPD, as I had a sister who was afflicted with it. Her psychiatrist told my mother that the best thing she could do was walk away and not engage with it, as she was bound to be a pawn for the playing out of the disorder by my (adult) sister. My sister was a genius in IQ terms. She knew how to manipulate. It was no use cogently arguing with her. Doing so was a fool’s errand. You have described her as if you knew her.
And if this is what we are dealing with on wider level in this country, as it may very well be, we are in a sense unarmed. There is no winning the argument. Which is depressing and terrifying. And which is why the intensity of my inadequate pleadings with God have reached such a level that as I pray, I start with “They will be done.” A simple statement. Because there are forces at work so depraved, so wicked, so destructive that I know deep down that it is a spiritual battle, and that it is going to take more than we mortals are able to muster to put these monsters back in their boxes.
We’ll see if any of them have, as you say, the consciences that will stop them. I am not hopeful on that one. I wrote a long piece to my Australian friend Mungrel, whose posts you’ve probably seen, discussing power for power’s sake…something I’ve been thinking about for a long time. For whatever benefits there are for those who believe one can never have too much, their pursuit of it through cruelty and devastation is, I think, going to backfire on them. But for this, we will need Extra Help through our God who always makes a way when there seems to be none. I’m ever watchful for it.
I have enjoyed very much our discussion, SK. You have added much to my thinking and I thank you.
Then you know. At this point I’m not preaching to you, I’m appreciating a chance to reflect with somebody who understands and I’m hoping to educate a few other readers here as to just what I think we are up against.
I was married to one, the witch version. (there are 4 types) As you know, you really need to have direct personal experience to grasp the ability these people have to deceive everyone around them and get others to do their bidding. They are chameleons in every sense.
I’ve watched with horror as the signs of splitting and the other behaviors have become evident society-wide. Of course the evil demons planning this are just pure evil, they are devil-owned and will not stop. Aside from them though, seeing so many formerly rational people go over to the insanity has been frustrating and terrifying. The longer they live in the delusion the more determined they become to never let it go. There will be a point where the pain of admitting their past deeds and thoughts will be worse than continuing in the delusional world, and when that point is reached they will not return to the land of the sane. I know it’s possible to reach through on an individual level and force the person to personally recognize that they are in a delusion. I can tell you it’s fascinating and shocking to see as they finally recognize it. But my personal experience is that it doesn’t take long for them to revert to their delusional world again.
I want us to save all those who can be saved, but that is an individual one-on-one mission. No amount of mass education, truth or rational discussion will reach any of them. Only somebody personally close to them has any chance whatever to reach into the delusion and steer the person back to sanity. Hence I say this is way worse than most people realize. Sundance has posted about the emotional investment made by anyone who has accepted the shot. That analysis barely scratches the surface of the utter insanity that really has taken over the lives of millions of our family members and friends. (To be clear, I don’t assert that everybody who has accepted the shot are insane.)
You have the core of the problem noted above. There is no winning an argument, or discussion, with the insane. The only way to lose less is to not engage. Only someone who has had to deal with a BPD will know in their heart that this sickness means that the other person will do anything, literally anything, for some reason that makes no sense whatever because the reason is based on some delusional event or offense that never happened.
Most people are going to think we are dealing with narcissists, or just creeps. Again, as you know, it’s much worse. A narcissist only cares about what is best for them. That’s selfish and annoying, but at least there are limits to what they will do. A BPD, which is essentially the behaviors and “thinking” that is evident in millions of our neighbors now, will do anything to “win”. They include their own self-destruction in their definition of winning. They are not limited in the range of what they consider acceptable behavior because they view everybody else though a filter of complete insanity and they will determine moment by moment who deserves to be destroyed, then they set out to do that. Nothing will dissuade them from whatever punishment they seek to inflict on others. They cannot be swayed by realizing they are hurting themself, their children, their friends, their parents or anyone else. They will do anything.
I really appreciate the chance to bounce this off somebody who does understand. Having a sister with BPD means you do know just how extreme this sickness is. Only those who have had direct contact have any concept of that.
I watch for the posts between you and mungrel but I can’t always follow along because you seem to skip between threads or something. His postings keeping us informed and hopeful for the resistance down under are wonderful. I hope you have a good inside track with those prayers, we all need them.
I do not see your part of this conversation as preaching… not at all. Some people cannot be fixed, much as we may devoutly wish to. And sometimes it’s necessary for our own mental well being to disengage completely. A difficult decision to make if the person we are talking about is a family member. Self preservation is a strong instinct.
But I also think that trying to analyze what has happened to a vast part of our population is a futile exercise. In this existential fight I’m feeling hunted and so dislocated. You use the word insane. I think you accurately describe every single person responsible for this misery who has the intent to do what? Murder? Because that is happening. Gain power? Certainly, but why and for what end. Money? Also certainly but don’t they “have enough” as a certain fraud asked once.
This is what these people do for entertainment. They’re bored with what they already have and their lives. They need the game and the stimulus. And I think their sick, manipulative, perverted “game” is to structure the world to their liking. And if it causes devastation, upends lives, kills, bankrupts, destroys…well, that’s just a part of their day’s work. I still cannot understand that sort of individual, thank goodness. I actually do not want to go further into hell than we already are.
All we can do is throw spanners in their well and decades long planned works any way we can. And not fold. I made a vow to God that I would not knowingly take into my body anything which used parts of His gifts to us, as I call them, in either the preparation or testing of these poisons. I will not one day stand before Him and have to account for that.
Mungrel knows about fighting. He has learned from his relatives and those who survived WWI and II. An extremely brave and principled man. He’s a hard one to catch because of the time difference. But he always starts commenting on the Open Presidential Thread in the mornings, where I check each day to stay in touch. I admire him greatly.
I’m glad we were able to lengthen what a first seemed a brief back and to, SK. I’m also glad you felt you could use me as a backstop for discussing such personal experiences. It has been a long time since I mentioned my sister and her tragedy, because that is what I was. I’m ever so grateful for this site, truly grateful…which I have visited for years but only started commenting on a few months back. What pushed me to start I have no idea, but it has put me in touch with so many good people. I’m always on. I’ll start looking for your well thought out comments. We all need that community and camaraderie these days, especially these days.
Thank goodness we are two sane people, right? I’ll try to hold on to mine, if you promise the same?
Oh, and one more thing… I don’t believe it was by chance that we were able, through our individual experiences, to connect on this thread. Do you? No such thing as coincidence.
Correct, not just coincidence at all. Thank you for the chance to explore these ideas.
You are describing above the people who are intentionally driving the evil plans, whatever names or positions of influence they may hold. They are truly evil in themselves and for them there is no hope that they will change.
The much larger numbers of people, those we knew so well and shared so many values and memories with, are the ones I was referring to. You are correct that we can’t know what drives all of them, but in general I’m seeing much BPD type behavior. Gaslighting, splitting, endless manipulation and obsessive appeal to emotion are all familiar. Millions of people have been drawn into a twisted delusional reality where they are now trapped, engaged in what they know to be evil deeds yet unwilling to stop. I believe that the mechanisms as I explained them are the reason so many are doing what they are doing. I’m referring to formerly rational people who have been drawn into burning and banning books (for our own good), cancelling people (for our own good), forcing masks, isolation, shots and other whims on us (for our own good), clamoring for us to be sent to reeducation camps (for our own good), mostly peaceful fiery protests and looting (for our own good), political prisoners and well, all the rest. These are actions that a few years ago they would never have considered doing. Just exactly when each went over to that dark world varies, but the people I know well who have been seduced by the promise of “for their own good” did not start there.
Those are the ones I hope can still be saved, but time is not on their side. The longer they continue in the delusion and the more harm they do to others, the harder the return to the side of reality and real compassion will become. Each of us must reach out and try to provide a path home for somebody we know. They are lost and will not find their way without somebody grounded in reality to provide an anchor. This is not an easy task, to be the anchor for a severely delusional person, but without millions of us willing to be those anchors we will have a fractured populace that simply cannot function as a society. Bringing to justice those who orchestrated this is the smaller task we face, saving the hearts and souls of all those who have been seduced is the much harder task. Neither will likely succeed without the other.
On the personal note, BPD is a horror and nobody is hurt more than the person afflicted. No matter how much evil that person does, they are caught in the vortex of all they do and live every moment with what they have done. Yes, it’s tragic and sadly, there comes a point when there is no safe contact with them.
I didn’t even discover this site until the last 18 months or so. Prior to that I was living my life, trying to survive and hoping to make my little corner of the world better. Then the Great Plandemic Lie began, the mask fiats started and I became an active participant on a very few sites, pushing back against the acquiescence I was seeing, which led me here where I found a much more honest source of current information. The comments are a treasure. The gift of an oversight that provides a safe forum without the squeamish need to protect the uniparty agenda is priceless. thanks CTH!
Thanks for the tip on the presidential open thread. I usually skip past it in my perusals of what is going on. Trying to keep up on the main issues of the day is more than enough misery! But I’ll start watching for Mungrel and you over on the other thread. Knowing how he has been able to work to save the world is an inspiration. Keep the faith for us all Betsy.
Amen, SK. Lord love you. Look for Reiner Fuellmich, a German lawyer with lots of wins under his belt. He’s pursuing Nuremberg 2.0 with vigor. Lots of his videos available. These might add a small bit of hope for you. The Open Thread with the Lord’s Prayer at the top is worth visiting as well. Lots of good links, memes, music on that one, but both worth looking at. I’ll see you soon I’m certain. Take care. We are not alone…ever.
What you say is true. Conservatives absolutely have to be sand in the gears of the Odumbo crew’s destruction of America. About the time these communists lose one of these battles they’ll create some major event to quickly move people past that defeat to their next national body blow. Sad to say, there could be a reason why a number of Biblical scholars don’t see America playing any major role in the End Times. Can we regain control of the nation? Not without Divine intervention. Evil currently runs the US
It does. It truly does. When I let my mind wander over the sheer evil that dwells in so many corners of America, it’s almost more than I can bear, except for the fact that so many others ARE bearing it. And those are the things we know about. What else that we don’t? And yes, we must turn this over to our Father who cares for us. I know no other way. We cannot put our faith in any man. Perhaps that’s the message? Utter and complete faith that holds strong no matter what. I feel we are going to be tested, and for that divine task, we must not fail. God bless.
The court’s decision should be pretty easy, no? The government can not force citizens into a medical treatment. Omg I can’t believe we are here. This is a human rights issue for cripes sake. Next it will be ok for the govt to tell us how many kids we can have. Our constitution Does not state: liberty…unless there is a COVID pandemic! The 4th amendment against illegal search and seizure and “the right of people to be secure in their persons” does not mention an exemption for COVID. This really is unbelievable.
What I can not believe is that the people of the United States are letting the courts make this decision for us.
What the hell
slow heating of frogs makes it very difficult to RISE without being shot as a terrorist.
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if you want to beat THEM you must aggitate aggitate aggitate (aggitate your friends, strangers, people you walk by, at the bar, at the game, EVERYWHERE) that way the HEAT gets HIGHER FASTER and they can’t use their PERFECTLY EXECUTED SLOW COOKING of us.
We are not letting them decide for us.
We are giving them a chance to do the right thing.
Just because the Court were to decide in favor of OSHA.
That doesn’t change my position one bit, it would tell me however that we have lost all legal standing.
We must go this route it’s the right way.
When we have exhausted all our legal constitutional rights then we do what we gotta do to remain free.
It’s no longer just about vaccine mandate and there are millions vaxxed and unvaxxed who see the real issue of forced medical treatment by this *hitshow of a Federal Government.
But the “government” already does mandate intrusions on our lives, both the feds, the states and the locals.
For examples:
Schools require proof of vaccination for polio, measles, mumps and at one time small pox before being able to attend. And the same entities requiring those vaccinations set high penalties if children do not attend or receive schooling that meets criteria set up by the same entities requiring the vacs.
“Emergencies” defined by a single person or a select few, elected persons as well as bureaucrats, with no avenue for we the people to dispute such an order.
Some of us work and pay taxes to pay for the well-being of those who refuse to work or who game the system we allowed to be set up.
Bureaucrats tell us what we can do with our land and property.
Property tax assessors value our real estate at some phantom amount based on market value instead of on purchase value (same as the “unrealized gain” issue the dems want to put on income calculation). To add insult to injury, the burden is on the owner to prove the tax assessor is wrong about the value according to rules and procedure that the taxing authority itself controls.
We the People have allowed intrusions on our rights under the Constitution since some of the first administrations of our republic.
You explained it perfectly.
“We the people have allowed ”
Now how do we say, no more?
Courts- we have no standing.
Congress- call your congressman. We see how well that worked so far.
Elect a Great President- we did that also. They basically pulled a coup and kicked out.
Vote- this one really worked out for us.
Audit- we will decertify the election. Oh Boy, we are still waiting.
The People have exhausted all avenues.
Please help me understand what we can do know, short of a war here that will kill millions.
Correct me if I’m wrong ( please ! Let me be wrong ! ) but aren’t businesses in “ right to work “ states allowed to impose pretty much any working parameters they want ?
I remember when I owned retail interior design stores in PA, I had an employee interview, got hired , then on her first day of work she showed up with added nose rings and eyebrow rings.
We said “ no go. “
She tried to sue us.
She lost because of “ right to work “ .
But, if I do recall, she refused to remove her face hardware , left and then successfully sued for unemployment.
My point is, cant businesses say “ I’m order to work here you need to be jabbed “ ?
Outside of the feds ?
autocorrect is so sneaky
A sage: “Whoever invented autocorrect should burn in hello.”
This stay is about federal mandate enforcement via OSHA.
You’re correct that some states are “right to work” states but that could just as easily be used to justify a company’s policy to NOT provide free vaccines to its employees. As is the case with my employer. They are, unfortunately, preparing to follow the federal mandate. We’ll perhaps see if the goalpost moves later than Jan 4 in a day or two.
They can not mandate a medical procedure.
They have no way to verify if you got the shot.
HIPAA law stops that.
But alas, here we are allowing the courts to tell us what the government can do. This is the job of the people to tell the government what they can do.
I do not want any part of government making medical decisions for me.
Courts have traditionally allowed states to issue mandates that they’d never allow the federal gov’t to do (although in this case I think the die is cast).
Of course, if the judiciary defies the Executive on this, we’ll see an immense blowback against the Court, a la FDR. That might give “we the people” some temporary breathing room to finish planning our response.
Florida is a right to work state.
This is such great news. I hope this crap is thrown out. These Fauchi da Fraud bots running around screaming “science” need to be put in check.
This lawsuit does not include the CMS.gov rule that makes vaccinated employees a part of compliance for entities receiving Medicare and Medicaid dollars. Every physical health, mental health provider all the way from janitorial and billing staff to doctors, nurses and therapists is affected. until a hospital corporation sues, the American healthcare system as we know it will collapse.
This was my question earlier. Is the CMS rule separate or does it fall under the umbrella of this OSHA ruling? Thx for your input.
https://nurse.org/articles/kaiser-permanente-nurse-strike/ 32.000 nurses set to strike.
Despite what is going on in the courts, don’t forget to comment at the Federal Register: https://www.regulations.gov/document/OSHA-2021-0007-0001
Here’s a good policy paper to help, along with the links provided in Sundance’s article, of course:
https://americarenewing.com/issues/policy-brief-covid-shot-mandates-are-unwise-unlawful-and-destructive/
If the left collapses with a whimper due to a ruling against them regarding OSHA, I’ll eat my hat!
And if my understanding of history is correct, we will and must lose this in the Supreme Court and then the titanic battle will begin.
Gird your loins. Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of War!
Apparently, this is what we were born for.
When SCOTUS torpedoed Brandon’s eviction moratorium, various blue state governors simply issued their own.
I suspect this is what will happen if SCOTUS shoots this down too.
Our survival as free people will ultimately depend on our governors.
For example:
Florida will remain free as long as DeSantis is Governor.
Was the 5000 member NY state American Academy of Pediatricians concerned with OSHA when they came out in favor of ‘vaccines’ for children 5 to 11 years old two weeks ago? The CDC when they approved the Pfizer ‘vaccine’ for children 5 to 11 last week? How many children were ‘vaccinated’ this past week? Thank the lord we finally have the OSHA mandate to fight in the courts. The courts will save us! What a cluster f.
Exactly, this the ultimate Charlie foxtrot.
I guess everyone has forgotten how the Supreme Court stopped Obamacare? Me neither
The court rewrote the damn law.
The courts got us where we are today.
Yep, the courts won’t be saving us. All these red state AGs are going to now fight the good fight while their Governors still promote the ‘vaccines’ has a safe and effective treatment for a flu. Crazy times.
Does this stop the federal employee mandate also?
It’s hard to imagine the court finding the Biden admin acted unconstitutionally and then only apply the ruling to some people.
OTOH, if the Court does something “weasely” like say it’s OK as long as the admin. respects the religious rights of people, then we will end up with tyranny for many people who are denied exemptions.
Imo, I don’t think it’s a good strategy to rely upon a gov’t institution to save us.
Not sure, but that’s being sued too. The fed employee mandate does (at least on paper) offer religious and medical exemptions, but the business one doesn’t, it’s either get the jab or pay for a test every week.
A legal war is time consuming, that is the plan. Must beat them with non comply. 50 million need to stop working to flatten the curve.
“50 million need to stop working to flatten the curve.”
and them.
And people should be willing to give up a week or two of wages if necessary to reverse this. It is not asking too much!
It’s asking too much if two weeks of wages are the difference between homelessness or not. Do you have any idea how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck? Losing two weeks of wages would cripple our family. And with the current corporate environment, businesses are willing to lose those employees for not showing up! Have you missed Sundance’s articles about hospitals closing services and closing down because of staff refusing the jab? As it stands, business owners would rather go out of business than admit they’re wrong and give way to the worker.
Has anyone heard about a purported four day blue-collar walk nationwide walkout supposedly beginning 8 Nov?
How is it that congress can just allow any agency within the executive branch to create regulations that have the same impact as legislation without going through congress for a vote? This delegation of responsibility is not in alignment with the separation of powers as was the intent of the founders. How can an agency within the executive branch pass down a decree that takes away our individual rights without being voted on by our representatives?
it is clear that we need to eliminate the power of the administrative state and we must force our elected representatives to make clear that these organization can simply make recommendations on certain things and that those recommendations cannot set fines or in any way impact our property rights or personal freedoms unless congress has specifically voted on these recommendations. Our congress has given its power away to the executive branch without a fight. We need to fix that. To do so, the administrative state needs to be stripped down to bare base functionality.
BATF does it all the time; restricting the Bill of Rights arbitrarily.
It may be technically correct but so far Public Safety and Good have prevailed vs Rights based law suits. To date, nothing has been done to force the Government and Employers to “show cause” for the Public Good and Safety claim, which is the basis for the mandate and the courts favor for “lack of evidence”.
The Federal Courts have been “very selective” as to when they expand their view of cases beyond facts presented in and scope of the cases before them when it comes to China Disease related Mandates. In the case of China disease mandates, if it isn’t presented it does not exist.
The State AG’s may get lucky but so far events say they will loose on Rights based suits. These suits contain none of the negative medical-science, Statistics and Federal Code arguments that counter the reasons for EAU, Emergency Declarations and Public Safety arguments. The suits do nothing to unwind the basis of the Government’s claim.
The only real hope so far is if the Republicans in Congress continue with their obviously political move of “Congressional Review” of the OSHA policy. If this was not an election year, this move would not even be contemplated. This review would force democrats to support the Mandates, which so far over 2/3 of public oppose. Notice not a single republican congress creature has jumped on the State AG lawsuits nor even made allot of noise over the “Congressional Review”.
Based on recent rulings by the Supreme Court, this suit as structured is DOA when it hits the courts.
You’re not quite correct. The 5th Circuit just did. “Grave statutory and contitutional issues”.
The problem is that the Covidians hadn’t yet done anything that was so blatantly against the commonweal until Brandon’s OSHA rule came out this past week. Now they’ve put all their cards on the table.
SJWs always overreach. Only way to make them stand down is to smack them down hard.
Try reading again and look back on ALL the other decisions that have made this far. It was a 3 -Judge panel hearing a stay and NOT the actual case.
So far the results of actual cases and anything reaching higher levels in the Federal Courts says I am correct.
Only decisions on actual cases make a difference and set precedent.
Yep, it still needs a full panel hearing, then on to the full circuit hearing, then on to SCOTUS. So far, outside of very narrow exceptions, the judiciary has been pro-Covid op. It’s the op, not the virus, that is job 1.
I remember at first cheering for all those judicial slots PDJT filled, then becoming conversant with the full measure of what the Federalist Society was all about and how the nomination process was manipulated. Good feeling gone.
The high roaders with faith in the judiciary as a solution have quite a daunting battle ahead, IMO. I wish them well.
The judiciary may or may not be a savior in the end. Yet, if ALL the arguments are not presented that actually knock away the foundation used to justify the Public Safety tyranny, we will never know and public never gets to see the arguments side by side.
The only ‘grave statutory and Constitutional’ issues the court will consider are those affecting the legislative or the executive branch … just like Obamacare.
The State AG’s may get lucky but so far events say they will loose on Rights based suits. These suits contain none of the negative medical-science, Statistics and Federal Code arguments that counter the reasons for EAU, Emergency Declarations and Public Safety arguments. The suits do nothing to unwind the basis of the Government’s claim. Based on recent rulings by the Supreme Court, this suit as structured is DOA when it hits the courts.
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THIS MAN ^^ IS 110% CORRECT.
Notice not a single republican congress creature has jumped on the State AG lawsuits nor even made allot of noise over the “Congressional Review”.
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CORRECT AGAIN.
They get an extra hour to write the reply brief due to the switch from Daylight savings
Seems only correct and legal for those issuing mandatory health orders on the body of an individual. A action against their will, a process that can not be reversed, that at best is experimental. They, their business, organizations etc must all be held responsible for any adverse reactions with the burden of disproving the injection was not the cause. Those issuing the mandate must also be charged personally. With each case filed separately.
The giveaway in the per curiam opinion should give you some hope: “grave statutory and constitutional issues” is strong language from an appeals court.
One could reasonably surmise that Lawfare has accounted for this in their planning, which historically has been quite effective overall. The stolen election is their crown jewel of the Covid op. Both have done swimmingly in the judiciary so far as favorable to Lawfare. Wish it were different but reality is reality.
Yes, Virginia, there is a difference between R’s and D’s. Sometimes it may be a crap shoot as to how a R will vote or rule depending on his constituency, blackmail, greed, etc, but there’s never a doubt that Pelosi rules because there’s more D’s than R’s, no matter whether Rino or conservative. As for judges, how did the 3 Republican judges get there?
I’ll bite on your closing question…Shanghai Mitch gave no other choice.
Does anyone know if the ruling just apply to states in the Fifth Circuit or is it nationwide?
Nationwide, just like with that Hawaiian judge who kept trying to throw sand in Trump’s gears regarding immigration enforcement.
Maybe SCOTUS won’t even take up the appeal from the 5th, if there is one, due to “standing”. That would be rich.
At the current pace, I’ll bet if they do consider it or turn it down, considering all their ‘breaks’, it’ll be past the mid-terms by that time and we’ll be into the third winter of the Covid op.
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Coercion and irreversibility are huge problems. Lack of government disclosure of the true numbers of deaths snd injuries is another. Then there’s the problem, huge problem, they have with legality. This is the equivalent of the eviction moratorium, which was shockingly unlawful. The CDC has never had, and it was never envisioned to have, that kind of power. OSHA has the same problem.
How do you justify protecting workers with an untested shot that has been demonstrated to cause injuries, then, tell employers not to report those injuries, while giving workers ZERO recourse if they are physically harmed by the shots.
I think “grave” is an understatement.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/S0AaRL8Lsctx/
Please don’t bother to link to something if you are not going to say what it is about.
The 37 minute video is about vaccine injuries and deaths, testimony in front of legislators and an interview with one of the testifiers about her participation in the trials with AstraZeneca and injuries suffered.
A commie/marxist/leftist/liberal/democRAT (they’re all pretty much the same) doesn’t consider anything a defeat…..merely a temporary setback, a bump in the road to be cured by more screaming, more lies, more accusations of hate, more cheating, and their old standby—conspiracy theories.
A convention of states is a horrible idea. They can pack nominating caucuses, collude with foreign governments with impunity, add any number of questionable votes after an election to drag their chosen one over the finish line. They own, control, and/or partner with most of the big corporations, Big Pharma, corporate Agriculture, the DOD, DOJ, CIA, FBI, State Dept., most of the federal judges, the media, their surveillance network and capabilities would make the Stasi, Gestapo, and KGB kneel in admiration.
When it ended, the 1st, 2nd at least would no longer exist or be altered as to be worthless.
Discovered a few weeks ago when I began working on my ancestry on Geni that my 8th great grandfather, Col Augustine Warner II was also the 8th great grandfather of President George Washington, Merriweather Lewis, and Robert E Lee. It energized me when I was feeling down about all of this, and now I am ready to do battle!
How can OSHA impose “emergency” mandates when there is no “emergency”, as proved by the Administration taking 10 months to issue it and not putting it into effect until January?
$450,000-$1,000,000 to illegals, is justa way for the Democrats, to easily and handsomely compensate one of their largest contributors….ACLU. The pay off to ACLU will be substantially. The Democrat/Communist Party people do not care about illegals. This is the party’s method to get hundreds of millions of dollars influxed into their base, with expectation of future votes, from these potential citizens.
Prior to the OSHA ETS, private companies have been forcing vaccination on their employees. Why didn’t the AG’s of these states step in protect the employees? Just because the federal government didn’t put anything on paper there was no reason not to act in the face of “grave statutory and constitutional issues”.
Considering that historically corporations have fought the government tooth and nail on regulations of any sort and spend billions collectively on lobbyists who write the laws and see their clients get favorable treatment, what has changed? Why are corporations apparently suddenly in lock step with government and firing customers and employees in record numbers?
Follow the money. Money and bullets always tell the truth.
Before it was on paper there was nothing to sue the fed gov about.
I was asking why not arrest/sue the company management.
I have absolutely ZERO faith in the Supreme Court. They’re as much a part of the Swamp as anybody in DC.
The conservative makeup on the court used to be one Souter, or one Kennedy. Now it’s one Souter(Roberts) and two Kennedys(Barrett and Kavanaugh).
Roberts heads the FISA. That is at least one of the rings of power in our age. The gang of 8 have similar power and similar corruption.
Amen, there is hope for me yet.
Does anyone think the criminal JoeBama Administration abides by unfavorable court rulings? If so, please refer to previous court decisions on the border, immigration, amnesty, etc. Thank you.
In a normal American Justice system, this makes perfect sense. Now we can only hope that it prevails.
Off topic, but I was sitting outside having a beer just now… ahem, without the time switch it was almost noon here in TX… and through the fence heard my physicians assistant neighbor telling another neighbor that a patient of hers had gotten ‘Covid’ recently and thus had ‘antibodies’ and so was going to continue to breast feed her young child past the acceptable age in order to pass them on. PA was lauding this.
I wanted to say what test was used to determine if your patient had ‘Covid’ and do you realize her child is at zero risk from ‘Covid’. Glad antibodies was brought up but… Anyway, thought it was funny and a bit pertinent. Mishmash of facts from a PA working at Texas Medical Center in Houston.
The mandate is illegal but the Bidenistas will get what they want anyway. Sad but true. This article explains how. It’s quite simple really, there will be a huge delay before the mandate is finally decided in the Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, the business owners and employers will be forced to inject their employees.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/11/07/why-the-vaccine-mandate-is-illegal-and-why-it-will-still-be-imposed-n1530449
We all need to pray like we have never before. Pray, pray, pray.
These people are not our doctors (Governors, brain-washed clergy or ill-informed neighbors).
You can bet 80-plus million President Trump voters did not vote for this mess!
One wonders if sanity will ever return to this country? Mandatory vaccinations are only the beginning if this administration gets away with this abrogation of the most basic of human rights. It’s amazing how evil pervades and people accept it willing until it’s too late. We’ve seen it time and time again throughout history and yet here we go again. It’s hard for me to wrap my head around what’s happening….
Of the three Judges on this 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans that rendered this “Halting” ruling, two were appointed by President Trump and the third by President Reagan. Presidents matter, and Trump appointed over 250 Circuit Judges that were approved.
Your move, Lame Duck Brandon! Show up in this Court Monday, or you are out of the Illegal Fascist Vax Mandate biz.
As long as this remains in litigation, employees can inform their employers that no potentially harmful (Myocarditis, etc.) vax actions can take place until this matter is settled legally in court.
If not, and an employer demands the vax anyway, said employer can be held liable for any damages that result from the Jab or improper job terminations afterwards,…. if the Court finally rules that Lame Duck Biden lacks the authority to mandate any Vax.
Your move, Employers, have a care.
Well, Newsmax apparently has gone from enforcing the unconstitutional vaxx mandate on it’s staff to ‘we’re against the vaxx mandate’. Hmm, do you suppose they experienced a flood of people saying F. U., we’re not going to use you as a reliable news source? I know that once I saw the headline over at Gateway, that was my first thought – the traitors can go pound sand.
While the MSM condemns the use of ivermectin, the most populated state in India just declared they are officially COVID free after promoting widespread use of the safe, proven medicine. In addition to this, Ivermectin attaches to covid spikes and prevents them from binding to ACE2.
Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://health.p0l.org/
The legal arguments I’ve read against this are, first, that when the SCOTUS approved the constitutionality of vaccine mandates in a 1905 case, it ruled so on the basis that is was consistent with State law, thus de facto assigning it as a state and not federal power. So, it should stay consistent with that ruling that mandating a vaccine is not a federal power in this case too.
I’ve also read the OSHA angle is flawed because there is a 1946 law that states no federal agency can create a regulation that is ‘arbitrary’ in nature. The 100 (not 99, not 101) employees requirement is the definition of arbitrary.
That being said, I suspect this has been written after already being cleared through SCOTUS backchannels from John Roberts. He’s probably already got his, Kavanagh and Coney-Barrett’s ruling language prepared, just as it was with Obamacare.
Brandon has been acting pissier than normal, considering his weird blow-up at that reporter about payments to illegals. So maybe he doesn’t have a deal with Closet-Case Roberts. Consider that SCOTUS did sink his eviction moratorium.
But pray anyway, regardless.
The fact that the vaccine and mask mandates don’t improve workforce safety and the vaccine causes more death and injury than the virus itself should be made plain and clear in the courts.
A massive cabal of deep state traitors need to be removed from the halls of government and hung from a sturdy tree.
Let’s go back to basic things, like what the United States Code actually says about – medical assault, bodily autonomy, freedom of choice or refusal, and especially, “EUA.”
Because, if you look in 21USC, 10USC, and a few other places, you immediately realize that virtually everything that has been brazenly happening, now for a year and a half, is: “illegal as hell.” And this OSHA thing is merely icing.
But, there is too damned much money in this – many hundreds of BILLions so far – for anyone in the Swampland or the self-proclaimed ivory towers to care about anything they can manage to bluff(!) their way into. Hoping that you don’t know what US Law actually says about you, and about any of this. Hoping that you will just surrender … even if it costs you your life. (Your estate can’t sue ’em … “the emergency,” you know …)
“Mandates,” and all other forms of threat and coercion, are expressly illegal … most especially in the “EUA” case. Look it up for yourself: your body belongs to you, and you have the protected choice what is, or is not, done to it or put into it. Period. No pressure, no threats, no coercion permitted. And if anyone does anything without your free and informed consent, that’s “medical assault.”
“Nowhere in OSHA’s enabling legislation does Congress confer upon it the power to end pandemics.”
On a related topic…..anywhere in the enabling legislation does congress confer power upon NIH to START pandemics?