Earlier today, General Kenneth Franklin McKenzie Jr. admitted a claimed U.S. drone strike against the ever evolving and mysterious ISIS-K, actually killed 7 children and three innocent adult civilians. General McKenzie calls it a “tragic mistake.” Four days after the August 29th strike Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called the strike “righteous.”
General McKenzi says he takes “full responsibility”, yet he retains his position. No one is being held to account. No one at the Pentagon is facing discipline. Both McKenzie and Milley claim it was solid intelligence that led them to watch, follow, and eventually target and kill Zemari Ahmadi, an Afghan relief worker who arrived home. The missile struck his vehicle as his children ran out to welcome daddy home from work, killing all occupants in the car and those in the vicinity.
As noted by Politico, “The command now assesses that “it is unlikely” the man and vehicle targeted was affiliated with ISIS-K, the Afghanistan branch of ISIS, or “a direct threat to U.S. forces,” Gen. Frank McKenzie, head of U.S. Central Command told reporters Friday.”
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Many people suspect part of the “intelligence” they used was a tip from their Taliban “partners” at the time. Ten people killed, including three children.
The other aspect to this situation that raises MASSIVE alarm bells is McZenzie emphasizing this strike was the result of overwhelming “signals intelligence” or SIGINT. Remember, the Intelligence Apparatus, writ large, is part of Team-1, and aligned with the State Department. The White House and Pentagon are part of Team-2. At the time this took place, there was a severe battle to avoid accountability between both teams.
Two Questions:
First – Was the signals intelligence provided by Team-1, purposefully wrong in order to set up the Pentagon (Team-2) with a major crisis, and as a result, put more of the Afghanistan blame on the DoD and White House?
Second – Did the evidence of that erroneous targeting then arrive at the New York Times after an assist by the background operators of Team-1 to get it to them?
Think about it.
♦ TEAM One – The Department of State is aligned with the CIA. Their media PR firms are CNN, CNNi and the Washington Post. Their ideology is favorable to the United Nations. Their internal corruption is generally driven by relationship with foreign actors. References: Hillary Clinton, Clinton Global Initiative, John McCain, Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood, Samantha Powers, Susan Rice, Cass Sunstein, Brookings Institute, Lawfare, China-centric, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senate Intel Committee, Council on Foreign Relations.
♦ TEAM Two – The White House is aligned with the Pentagon (DoD) and National Security Council (NSC). Their media PR firms are domestic in nature. New York Times, Politico, etc. Their internal corruption is generally driven by domestic influence. References: Barack Obama, George Bush, Wall St, Big Banks, Multinational Corporations, Defense Contractors, FBI (state police), Judicial Branch, and community activists writ large.
[Presidential elections only affect Team Two (nationalism -v- globalism). In the modern era, Team One is independent.]
Both teams were responsible for the Afghanistan mess. However, in the aftermath of the mess; and with the situation in/around Kabul gaining massive attention, each team is positioning to avoid scrutiny. Scrutiny on either team runs the risk of identifying massive institutional corruption; so the objective is to push the spotlight onto the other team.
State Dept. blames White House/Pentagon…. Pentagon/White House looking to avoid sunlight.
Did the DoS/CIA set up the White House and DoD using their knowledge of relief worker Zemari Ahmadi and his family as useful collateral damage?
Trying to understand our foreign policy?
Let me help:
You’re welcome.
Good doogie. Just poop when and where I tell you.
Joe can’t keep that promise.
Depends are his friends!
…and shame on the DeceptiCONs for not at least piling onto Team Two as the (CON)trolled Opposition!
Whenever the RNC contacts me to ask for contributions I tell them to pound sand—because I’m retasking those funds to the Save America PAC…for as long as they do intend to Save America and not sell out like the vast corpus of the Republican Party.
They never call me anymore. Not since right after the TEA Party Revolt.
Called me, started bragging about how the TEA Party s success and how they
were part of it.
I told them not one more thin dime from me until they started supporting the local
elections instead of asking me to keep sending them money to keep do nothing
Congress critters in office.
Haven’t got a call since then. 😀
This is just a part of a wide and deep sewer, and the Woke/CRT/LGBTQLMNOPXYZ (we must not forget any of that) military, with mutinous Bourbon Generals (we must not forget that either) is now in a State of Multi-pronged Disgrace.
Enlisting, or reenlisting, in such a thing can no longer rationally be considered any kind of patriotic act.
Rational and patriotic enlistees are not wanted. Especially if they are macho white males who are proud of our country.
This guy looks like he has a rug on his head. As a Marine how can he not know what high and tight is? I can never get past that w/this idiot.
In a related story…Sales of white Corollas in Afghanistan have declined sharply.
In other news,
Sales of popular Toyota pickup models have flat-lined in Afghanistan with the acquisition of surplus humvees from departing coalition forces.
in a related story…aid workers have decided it’s not a good idea to travel with children…
seriously…and I really mean this.
when the US military kills civilians… drones or not.
how does that work? do we send someone from the state department to the families…? what does our military do in these situations…? what is protocol?
13 US service members…real human beings were killed…murdered by radical terrorists. we know this. of course these terrorists do not follow up by sending condolences…there is no apology or honor to pay respects for the bloody carnage. we expect this…we are after all, being with a death cult. they have no respect over human life.
now…compared to how the united states government responds to the murder of civilians…aid workers… children..
mistakes?
maybe.
but what separates the death cult of radical terrorism Islamic holy wars that shits on human life and the behavior of our military?
please someone show me…where are the officials, embarking on a duty to lay respects for the surviving families.
would not that be the right thing to do? to show just a bit of humanity…to actually care…and not just for optics…but to truly care?
when does this happen…who does this? name them? show me?
what has the United States military become?
God Bless America
Traditionally, they send a check, I believe. Although given the Taliban now control the country, not sure exactly how thats going to work.
Another screwup and no accountability, no terminations or resignations.
SIGINT my ass. This was Taliban intel and SENTCOM got played.
It’s called reciprocity. The US Military serves as the Taliban’s G4 and the Taliban serves as the US Military’s G2.
Every officer involved in this crime should have resigned the minute after this was admitted.
Milley should be sitting in Leavenworth awaiting his court martial.
The rank and file have had their blood , sweat, tears and honor besmirched by these asshat, fat bourbon Generals and Admirals.
A pox upon them all.
Some E3 will get smoked and the perfume princes will live happily ever after.
Our current military has to know they’re the laughing stock of the world and more importantly, our nation. I think the question at this point is if they care. Sad and pathetic.
They don’t care. If they truly cared our leaving Afghanistan would have ended better , there would be no WOKE military, and no general would undermine our CinC by cozying up to an opposing foreign power.
Resigning would be the least they should do.
In reality they should face much worse.
Where have ANY GOP Senators or Reps been this week? Why are they not demanding resignations or firings? Feckless.
I think Rand Paul has done the most. Although you could say not enough.
Our TN Senators are pretty great, however. Bill Hagerty has more Trump people than any other new Senator.
You need to pay closer attention. They’re worse than Corker and Alexander. Watch and wait, you’ll see.
Wow, do you STILL not “get it”? The Republicon Congressional leadership is the ENEMY.
The Dems could NEVER have taken our country so far left, on their own;
They HAD to have a phony Conservative alternative, to pretend to oppose the Dems, while actually working WITH them, to move our country to where it is.
Wake up, and smell the cofeve, and recognise the GOPe has been PLAYING us, since at least 1964.
Unfair, Dutchman. Dorothea obviously “gets it.”
This just seems like another excuse for you to attack Republicans. You complain about them more than you do the Democrats.
Both political parties have corruption, but only one is working to blatantly take us down. They are pure left. They are evil. Please deflect a little shade there for a change.
“The Republicon Congressional leadership is the ENEMY.”
With all due respect, Dutchman is spot on. He is attacking the complicit and corrupt leadership that enable the evil Rats in destroying America.
Dutchman is one of the most consistently astute and accurate commenters here.
NOT ONE Senator broke ranks to permit PDJT to make recess appointments! They ALL participated in the overthrow!
The so called republicans are worse than the leftists. The leftists say what they mean and mean what they say.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
Believe me, I’ve made my disgust for the GOP known, and enjoy many of Dutch’s comments. But last night the broken record just got to me. If the Democrats weren’t such extortionists, blackmailers, and murderers, we might actually have a few Repubs who would stick to their word and work for us.
A few do but get little media attention.
The Big Guns are silent.
As usual.
But then they fire blanks anyway, when they do, as part of their act on Capitol Hill.
McConnel, Romney, McCarthy, et al unavailable for comment.
These worthless military brass go from lying about killing innocent people to admitting it.
They are directly responsible for the killing of 13 American soldiers and wounding 20 more that we still have heard basically nothing about.
The federal government of the United States suffers from systemic unaccountability.
I was part of the intel capability under McKenzie in Iraq back in 2005/6 when he was a colonel. He’s always been a cowboy and a rank chaser. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he took a chance on Taliban intel in the hope that it would be successful and position him to be the next CJCS if Milley stepped down. If that’s the case, it obviously backfired, but it’s the kind of thing I would expect him to do.
And that’s why I love it here. You get insight that you just can’t get anywhere else. Thank you for your service and for sharing that “insider knowledge”.
I don’t know how these people live with themselves….
It’s a luxe life for them. They get to sit on defense contractor boards, teach “leadership classes”, even get gigs on CNN.
Psychopaths and sociopaths are quite at ease with themselves. They do what comes naturally to them.
That’s why they stole the election. No accountability. Leftists are just bull$hit. All they care about is power.
Did self-appointed arbiter of what U.S. military will or will not do Milley on his own decide who to drone strike?
How can anyone ever believe anything coming out of these branches of government again? What if Biden actually said no, stand down until more info is gathered and Milley countered that command? How would we ever know?
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Joint Chiefs of Staff do not have command authority.
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Looks like most posters here are blaming our troops and ignoring the CIA.
Evil wins!
November 3, 2018:
As Talleyrand said of the Bourbons, our Army Generals have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. Especially learned nothing and it has now been a mind numbing 17 years of their Operation Enduring Insanity and its Trillion Dollar Bridge To Nowhere in Afcrapistan, strewn with the lost lives and limbs of America’s own troops, whom they obviously regard as disposable Lab Rats in their Mad Hatter’s Great Islamic Society Nation Building COIN Sociology Experiments created in a Lunatic Asylum, with utterly nothing even remotely worth it for the nation gotten in return.
Our purple hair troops fighting the evil white patriarchy? You can stand behind them/they yourself lol
Drone command go to great lengths to ID and observe targets watching the situation develop over time.
Recall 60 minutes from Aug 2009
“We were in short order able to engage that individual successfully,” Gough told Logan.
The target was hit with a Hellfire missile. “What if you get it wrong?” Logan asked.
“We don’t,” Gough replied.
“Ever?” Logan asked.
“That’s a tough question,” Gough said after a pause. “Yeah. We have the resources to make sure we’re right. In battle, in combat, in the fog and friction of war, there are always gonna be times that your judgment isn’t with hindsight, you can see things with more clarity.”
So in eleven years that “certainty” used in warfare is no longer for the good of our nation, but an instrument to settle petty political scores.
Within 10 years drones will be used against us.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drones-americas-new-air-force/
“Hindsight” is the first thing you see, when you jerk your head outa yer ass!
One of my favorite sayings,..
Considering recent history, I fail to see why either of these “teams” are concerned with accountability. Nobody in DC ever pays a price for screw ups.
The psyop to undermine trust in the U.S. Military continues.
The Generals are doing such a bang up good job of that they don’t even need any help.
And was the general and command staff misled with info and orders? I think they set up the Afghani for some reason as well the general, the latter to replace him in the near future. Trump put him in that command.
What about reports, soon after the drone attack, of massive secondary explosions, which they said confirmed the vehicle had explosives in it?
Fog of war, deliberate obsfuscation (bullshirt) or what?
Honestly, this sparring between team 1 and team 2, is like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
These idiots are so secure in their positions, that they play turf war games, while destroying the country.
Sickening, perverse, callous, words are inadequate to describe.
Satan must be wracking his brain, to come up with new tortures, appropriate to deal with these souls, and adding new chambers to house them, at a frantic pace.
Like the Intell that the leader of the Bosnian Muslims was not a Islamic fundamentalist, and did not have thousands of imported foreign jihad terrorists in its ranks?
since we are no longer a republic of, for and by the people
why would you assume that there would be any accountability
to the unelected ruling class
who are fully aware that the elections are meaningless theater.
Funny how Trump was so dangerous, but nothing like this ever happened on his watch. This bunch is pathetic beyond words.
Maybe if McKenzie’s children are executed, this won’t happen again. Just a thought..
MoveOn.Oops
Evidently the task at hand IS victimization, satisfying the desires of its LGBTQxyz personnel, weeding out patriots and above all being WOKE.
Doing military tasks effectively, not so much.
Biden and Milley are a war criminals.
The level of incompetence is frightening.
I am sure this happened ONLY because Biden demanded “swift retribution” so he could have his photo op.
Worst administration in history.
So sentient, Sundance. It’s a lot to consider, and many of us are questioning the depths of depravity of our own gov’t and military.
You’ve really been hitting it out of the ballpark lately. Thank you. I especially appreciate reading through the comments when the 24/7 posters who repeat themselves ad nauseam have nothing to contribute. 😉
Solid work. Many of your pieces lately need to be passed along.
Biden should be tried in The Hague for war crimes.
It might be far worse… They might have taken guidance from the Taliban themselves and weighed it to be far more accurate than it should have been considered. Why take out your enemies when you can get the US drones to do it for you? The amount of cooperation with the Taliban, even recognizing the Taliban as a legit government and literally asking them to allow safe passage while delivering them a list of US allied Afghans is quite insane. But it actually happened.
It is far worse than Lord Chamberlin and it goes well beyond SNAFU and FUBAR!
I see a strategy of laying blame on the jr varsity in the White House and biden…
By blaming the jr varsity, all virtual unknowns, and the demented fraud in the Oval who is expendable, Team 1 and Team 2 are washed of all culpability. Biden is the patsy and the jr varsity mere sacrificial lambs.
Once again ZERO accountability.
I was wondering how the NY Times got their info. But you’d think that if it’s true the CIA and D of S have this rivalry and would do such a thing wouldn’t the military be wise to it? (Notice I didn’t say that the WH would be wise to it – they don’t know anything); Pretty extreme and repulsive way to try and shift the blame for the failure in Afghanistan.
Are we sure that Afghanistan was a CIA failure? I saw former Trump admin people say they had really good intelligence – and I figured that must have come from CIA. I suspect us getting out of Afghanistan has to do with Joe owing China. Lara Logan said the USA knew in real time that the Taliban were advancing and we chose to do nothing. To me this is ALL on Joe owing his soul to China. But then someone went to the NY Times – there must be some intelligence on the ground. Hmmmm
I wonder if there are enough non-White general officers to replace all of the current 3-4 stars? Give Austin two years and we may have an answer.
This is why they hate us. It’s not our freedoms it’s our hypocrisy they hate. We pretend to be the moral arbiters of the world instead of minding our own business and taking care of own. We had no business trying to dictate the worlds governments then run around completely apoplectic because Russia bought some Facebook ad….
The Biden administration and the upper echelons of the military are tragic mistakes.
Can anyone see the total BS from this disaster?
Our military ‘leadership’ are like keystone lops.
We have zero business meddling around in that part of the world that we know nothing about and that poses no threat to us. Zero.
20 years? These people and I include George bush rummy condi rice obozo and a very long list — need therapy and medication.
The general needs to be discharged immediately and stripped of all benefits pension and privileges.
Really tired of these arrogant amateurs carelessly wasting trillions of our hard-earned tax $$ and sending our soldiers into dangerous pointless occupations.
Intelligence sure has been getting a lot of things wrong lately. Who’s responsible for that?
“Shhh…….I’m on the phone with the Times”
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I’m tired of my government murdering civilians both at home and overseas.
21st century America, not much to be valued is there?
the news here is they finally admit it. the fact that this family was hit and not ISIS was information that was out there Day 1 8am
Reminds me of the “faulty intelligence” excuse they used for Iraq.
Was “we can’t find bin Laden, he’s in a cave” faulty intelligence too?
Or was it just something somebody made up?
God bless all of those who got us the news about what actually happened to a family in Afghanistan.
Without them, do you think we’d even be hearing this now?
“A Tragic Mistake”????…. I’m thinking that just a few short years ago…. An ‘Impeachment Hearing’, and ‘Charges’ would have been filed for ALL involved…… I guess the standards have been changed…
If those were chinese soldiers in that truck, Gen. Milley would have given them prior warning.