Jovan Pulitzer is helping with forensic election audits in Arizona & Georgia and is attempting to assist people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to do the same.
Appearing on the Pete Santilli podcast, former Michigan State Senator Patrick Colbeck and Jovan Pulitzer get into a heated debate about the weak effort in Michigan. Things get salty and F-bombs fly as Pulitzer is very passionate about audits. [Rumble Link Here] If you don’t have time for the entire discussion, skip to the 24:00 minute mark and watch from there. [Salty Language Alert – Don’t watch this with kids around.]
In addition to being a former state senator, Patrick Colbeck is a former aerospace engineer while Jovan Pulitzer is an expert in forensic election auditing. The heat of the debate surrounds doing an audit of a part of the vote or doing an audit of the full vote in either a selected Michigan county or the entire state of Michigan. Pulitzer is passionate, but tends to take the long way to the eventual point.
[Ask me why I don’t watch podcasts, and I give you back the same answer Dennis Miller once gave the ever-rambling Hannity…. “Sean, is there a gas station between me and the end of this question, because I’m running on fumes right now“… ]
Moderators…kill this post if you must but PLEASE get it to Sundance….Alejandro Mayorkas…..is the single most dangerous individual in the USA today…as the head of the dept of homeland security he is FACILITATING illegal immigration into this nation…..he is breaking immigration laws..he is facilitating…aiding and abetting….human trafficking…..CTH silence on this matter is baffling and disheartening….please address the invasion of our nation a better and promoted by our illegitimate “!leaders”….
Abbetted and promoted….
There is an email address available at the top of the page.
Topics one wishes to introduce that do not fall within the posts of the day are well met on the Open Threads.
Accusing CTH of ignoring this aspect of the war on America is inappropriate and in bad form.
There are plenty of people who focus solely on this issue. One of the best is Ann Corcoran.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.org
https://fraudscrookscriminals.com
She recommends others who are good on this subject too.
Well my goodness, aren’t we sanctimonious?
You think it’s a walk in the park to be bringing up a website on an entirely new and never-before-tried platform, plus monitor trolls on the website, guard the perimeter from hackers and DDOS attacks which are numerous, plus take care of every commenters’ desires?
Seems you’ve not even spent time learning your way around the website, and using some of the features.
Case in point – the search function, top right-hand side of every page.
Had you searched, you would have found – among other obvious posts – this –
“CTH has tracked this issue so closely through the years it often feels futile for another reminder. However, with the insufferable political games in the headlines over the issue of illegal immigrants and children, perhaps it is worth another visit.
There is no greater disconnect from ordinary Americans on any singular issue than the policy positions of Democrats and Republicans in Washington DC surrounding illegal immigration. President Donald Trump is confronting their unified interests.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2019/07/14/the-dc-illegal-immigration-business/
There is no difference between the JoeBama immigration policies and the Obama immigration policies, except the JoeBama policies are worse. What you find historically here still applies, no matter the date.
Enjoy your reading time. Be Blessed.
Thank you.
This is sarcasm? Yes?
What are you talking about? Sundance has kept us all apprised of the border situation, we know hundreds of thousands are coming in and being moved into the interior.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/category/illegal-aliens/
If you have updated information re: the border and this administration, post it in the Presidential thread.
If fractional audit, then special prosecutor accompanies, selected and run by the auditor.
Any indictment returned from a grand jury replenishes the budget of both the audit and the prosecutor’s office.
After all, it was the CLEANEST ELECTION, and we don’t want to tolerate fraud, do we?
It is regrettable that more on “our side” cannot seem to communicate without resort to profanity, often of the “worst” sort.
Can we not see that we all have been damaged in varying degrees by our atheistic and ill-mannered enemies as they continue to nudge us in their evil direction.
Ask yourself honestly if 20 years ago you would accept the things you now do in terms of your own or others’ behaviors, including language.
20 years ago I was a living wreck in a godless life of leftist associates, drinking and nightclubs. Sorry to counter your point, but–!
I think you got my point. In case you did not, we are doomed to further perversion and ruin in our “culture” if we satisfy ourselves or otherwise measure our “virtue” by reference to other humans, or in your case, your own behavior.
I am very glad you are in better circumstances now but unless and until we return to the “virtue” our Founders and forebears strives for generally (there are always exceptions and “excursions” given our Adamic human natures).
This”virtue” is a belief in and continuing effort to live by those time-honored Judeo-Christian values derived from God’s Word.
https://liberty1.org/virtue.htm
Any possible doubt about this seems resolved if one merely sees the direct correlations in our recent history (especially since the early 1960s) where we have increasingly rejected or otherwise turned away from faith in God of the Bible and the resulting sad and even alarming social metrics of every one of our societal institutions (marriage, family, “education,” “religion,” government, military, business et al. ) as well as each of our personal lives.
As is increasingly popular even here in the CTH, we can ridicule and reject such views as I express here but we cannot change the stark evidence of their truth.
Fact is Adam as in Adam and Eve was of superior intellect, and capability. My belief is his walks with God or his spirit was directly open to our lord.
At the point of his departure from our Lord, mankind has been falling ever since.
To end that fall one has to actually walk with our Lord in spirit. A relationship god offers and desires. But do you ever here that taught?
Jarhead seek all 130m burned by this election to be nice, in sync, non combative and eloquent but at the same time ignores to even get to that point……we ALL NEED TO WAKE UP TO THE WAR AT HAND.
Ditto, I see the verse in the Bible with Christ going through the Church, flipping Tables, money, spoils, etc. and he was not being all nice. That’s but one example of fighting back against Evil, in scripture.
Most men cannot live virtuous lives. This is why the US Constitution places strict regulations on political action.
The agreement of ill men is not unity but conspiracy.—Lady Jane Grey
I’m an adult, and a jarhead, and I cuss like a sailor in normal everyday conversation. But I also articulate my message like a motherfker. Words are words. Just need to know where and when to use them. Don’t get into the weeds. Focus on Nov 3. #fkingauditall50states
And we can see the results in this “anything goes” Hell on earth we are living in today.
Yes, but to be honest, there’s no amount of polite speech that can express my rage at what has happened.
So, I don’t feel particularly guilty…. ?
With you there. Sometimes insults and foul language are the only things fools deserve as they are fools and can’t see rational arguments.
No one asked you to feel “guilty” and believe me, as a 33 yr Marine combat veteran and unabashed Christian conservative independent (whew) patriot, I share and perhaps even exceed the rage you feel.
Nevertheless, whether you or I “like” it, the Truth is the Truth and as long as we fail to realize how damaged all of us are by the corrosive effect of the acid bath of our increasingly perverse and godless “culture” and then “turn from our wicked ways” (2 Chronicles 7:14), we are frankly and literally doomed as a nation, as our Founders tried (in vain?) to warn us if you take the time to read their warnings at the link I cited.
Many on “our” side usually respond to my polite reminders by dismissing it as “mere words” so what is the “big deal” or who am I to “judge”—ironically often using the same Alinsky “isolate/ridicule the speaker” tactics of BLM and Antifa that of course include yet more profanity.
This is but an artful dodge to behavior (yes, the choice and use of words is actually behavior) that I believe many of these antagonists actually know is wrong but refuse to admit due again to the compromised consciences we all have due to the careful “nudging” of our now mortal (yes, they really do want us dead) enemies.
“Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.”
Ephesians 4:29
We are living in a fallen Babylon. The corrosive, evil is playing out in the minds of our depraved, so called leaders. It’s EVIL,and God’s Word assures us that evil will be destroyed. We must pray, and seek His plans for our role.
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition, as WW2 vets would say. God only helps those who help themselves.
The scripture you cite, with few but perfect words, puts an end to this debate.
Are you gonna tell CTH to stop posting the Mickey flipping off the Swamp?
I have no wish to give grace to these cretins. And, being an Anti-federalist at heart, I’m currently re-reading the Anti-federalist Papers for about the 5th time.
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.—Epistle of James 3:8&9
Arguably, your sentiments are ethnically correct but Mark Twain observed that he often felt more release from cursing than he received from prayer.
This is the burden of realizing that no man is as he ought to be. It is a wicked shame but a seemingly ineradicable evil.
Shaking my head, Missy didn’t say she felt guilty, your struggling to pin that ID on her. No way is your response polite, more like BULLY!. You as a sinful human are not in any position to define Truth, in my opinion. Seems to me your last two paragraphs point way more clearly to your guilt. Just hate people who Cherry Pick Verses out of the Holy Scripture to try and strenghten their arguement, when it’s apparent it’s slipping away. Bible Scripture is not there for you or anyone to use as a club to clobber others to win a battle. By the way there is not one verse in the Bible that contradicts another Bible scripture. You need to go back and read this verse and what the time, setting, who was being spoken to and the full focus of Ephesians as a whole, not the way your attempting to use it by your cherry picking. No place in the Bible does it saying getting worked up over Evil and displaying that physically and verbally is sinful or un-Godly.
While anger and even rage is justified by the destruction of the values upon which this Country was built, ad hominem attacks and salty language do not enlighten they only further enrage. We must find ways to open dialogue not shut it down.
Open “dialogue”– with whom? You mean like meet in the center? Reach acrossthe aisle to talk?? With the enemy?
Yes, especially those rare enemies that are willing to go on podcasts to debate with you.
I have a progressive friend who I have not seen in over a year. We talked last night and both of us tried to avoid politics but it slipped in occasionally. As before, he cannot accept anything I say is true, as factual, regardless of its source. I did get him to agree that 2 + 2 still = 4 even with math now being racist in Oregon as I said.
He has reinforced my belief that one cannot discuss issues with progressives; facts, from conservatives, regardless of the source, are lies.
Guarantee none of you can define the “enemy”. It’ll be an abstraction. In concrete terms and current context (e.g., say, a no kidding real Civil War) – who is the enemy? Does it have a center of mass/critical nodes? Can you “get” them? How?
As for the other sub-thread – it strikes me as more post hoc ergo propter hoc than anything else….while conveniently ignoring the horrific history of all these institutions in practice. Even more so in the realm of values. Had the reproach been delimited to sanctioning authorities, I at least can see the merit in doing so and the basis for approaching it from this direction.
My wife is a devout Catholic. I am not. Yet we share a common value structure. Here’s the dirty secret – the culture and value systems you cherish – it’s not a well thought out gameplan to alienate those who align with the objectives and hold the same values in practice before marching off to battle the enemy to protect/defend those cherished values. Some of the alienated may be talented, informed and skilled – and good shipmates to boot.
As an aside…the very concept of “virtue” is hard to define. Return to Aristotle and the Ethics for an introduction.
Faith? Absolutely. But note the irony in the crosshatch with post-modernist morality/ethics in this respect.
My recommendation is to enumerate the values, define them and identify actual conforming conduct – as an exercise in good taste before marching off to battle the enemy. For example, can excessive narcissism gird opposition and undercut support for an otherwise clear and sensible set of policy objectives and values?
Why sure. When has this worked with these enemies who just laugh at the lame attempts to “open dialogue” with them? Republicans in our federal govt. are good at trying that. It’s their m.o. to avoid doing anything that actually gets results for us.
Really has gotten us lots of great outcomes hasn’t it.
Either way, If you make your arguments eloquent, pointed and salient, then a few f-bombs can be tolerated. Perhaps even expected, given our righteous indignation here. Just make sure you have something besides f-bombs in your quiver, (unlike the Left in most cases).
It is not the mere presence of f bombs or their number. I am no prude and an an infantry Marine have likely hear more profanity than most in this thread.
Those merely focusing on that are wholly missing both my point and the much broader and deeper existential (in terms of the literal survival of both the Republic, and if our enemies “win,” our very lives as they have made it crystal clear—they see this as a zero sum thing with their opponents actually perishing) issue.
My point is that our speech is but one of myriad symptoms of the extent to which we have been nudged away from “virtue.”
The more important point is that without a virtuous citizenry (in general and this does NOT mean perfection—but rather that we strive to meet the immutable and universal standards God has set for us in His Scriptures—the nation as we know it and received it from our Founders will fail.
See what they said in the link I posted above.
Liberty, and it’s indispensable companion, virtue, must be resident in and cherished by The People. Even if we win this battle, without these things deeply embedded in The People, we can’t keep the Republic which we were bequeathed.
It is the loss of liberty and virtue that have destroyed the country.
Yep. We play nice and they roll over us like an earth mover. Time to let the fire in our anger match and exceed theirs. We can be respectful and talk nice when we win the battles.
Times up for doing it with the “we are better than that…” mentality. Down and dirty is how they like to play. Time we get in their sandbox and kick some butt the way they do. Most likely they are paper tigers and will run away like bullies always do when faced with strength and no back downs.
Whatever, we need and must take the upper hand and save this country from the communist totalitarian control these leftists are trying to drown us in. No more Mr. Nice Guy actions. We are fighting for our lives here.
It is quite telling that being “virtuous” is equated to merely “playing nice.”
With such “(il)logic” we are doomed to our fate as it will be without God. Sigh
For those who are at all interested and perhaps even slightly insightful I re-post but a few of our Founders’ prescient warnings directly to our current situation.
https://liberty1.org/virtue.htm
I couldn’t agree more.
Foul language serves a very important function in language. When certain words are used as modifiers, they amplify the message and connote the associated emotion. Certain words evoke images which very clearly, and often accurately, represent the subject at hand.
Again, We will have to politely agree to disagree as your point is perhaps valid in a virtueless secular culture like that in which we now live but I believe if we continue to see our conflict only on this plane, we are doomed to fail as this war is at its root a spiritual one. God is a Holy God and there are simply no valid arguments to “justify” our continued and as is evident just in this thread alone, quite willful, sinful behavior.
Language is not the end all and be all but it is certainly a stark indicator and symptom of our spiritual “health.”
Mom always said use of profanity was a good sign the speaker was not smart enough to know a different word.
We definitely need to return to virtue, or as Our Founders said, this country will only work with a moral people, the same thing Adam Smith, the free-market guy, said about free-market economics.
Virtuous, moral, Godly – same-same. imo
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I agree with that one, not bright enough to find a better word. Or too lazy.
The other thing I find is that people are not smart enough to understand certain words at times. I’ve run a few slides or communications past my leadership team and I’ve been told even they don’t understand the words I sometimes use. Really, is the word “proclivities” that unusual people won’t know what it means?
So I dumb down the communication to reach more people.
I see, and hear, the word ‘woman’ to mean ‘ many females’ …all over the place. It’s usually in the comments or quoted statements from people in an article. The dumbing down of America rolls on. And no one corrects them! Nor is there is (sic) near the word, to let readers know it is incorrect. The loss of language is yet another sign of our doomed public education.
And it’s used as an adjective. But it’s a NOUN. Makes me nuts.
The phenomenon to which you allude is not mere happenstance. It is but a part of the this-far highly successful war on our “culture” waged by our atheist Marxist enemies.
It is much easier to herd sheep to the slaughterhouse than it is donkeys (those who are not city folk will understand the meaning).
Yes, I had to ask my wife its meaning, lol. I would have guessed it correctly if used in a sentence. But there are consequences for being too lazy to look it up and just asking someone. Mea culpa. No need to shame me as my wife took care of that task right away.
LOL, me too! My parents taught me to read at 3 and I had to learn three words from a dictionary, age appropriate, every week. And were they grammar Nazis!
I love $100 words. Proclivities is NORMAL, not extra! Yes, so dumbed down. The saddest part is that few care.
And people compose now in texting language. Awful.
In an immoral culture, much of cursing is habituated. But there is also cursing that is passive aggressive, out of weary frustration of one’s efforts not bearing fruit and (deep down) not trusting God (an unwitting vote of no confidence).
We talk of immoral words, yet we accept immoral politicians and do not got head to head with them. I find that more immoral.
Accept?
Please stay in your lane and do not try to make saints of men who must appeal to the base instincts of the electorate if they are to be successfully elected.
Your scientific system is robust and reliable; men are sinful and weak. Do not despise the weakness of man for in it God’s strength is made perfect.
Excellent observations. Too bad such nuance seems wholly lost on so many who, perhaps if they looked a bit more broadly and deeper, would see the resemblance of much of “our” communication to that of our most extreme (dare I say, “passionate” as apparently to some , passion excuses about anything) enemies like BLM and Antifa.
Here is but one example of “passion” at work:
Our Lord Jesus Christ expressed strong rebuke to the Pharisees after his verbal fencing with the Sadducees made them shut their trap.
Matthew 23 is the chapter of the “Woes” with which he blasted the Pharisees with.
Also in Matthew 23:33, Jesus says, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”
Jesus Christ called them out in truth. No “passive aggressive” about it.
The Patriots during our Revolution did not approach the British talking nice or being virtuous. They fought hard and used profane language I’m sure. Doesn’t mean they weren’t Christian, God loving men and women. They knew what had to be done and did it.
We are at that point again. Settle the conflicts via peaceful means if possible always, but when necessity creates the need for harsher methods we cannot shrink away and let the enemy bully us into submission just to remain virtuous. Imo.
I do agree that using profane language in everyday conversations is lazy and not very useful and sounds awful, especially coming out of the mouths of children who hear adults do it. Some of the most Intelligent people I know do it all the time too. It’s crazy. I often tell the kids in my world, that I am around daily, that there are thousands of words in the English language they can use besides the “bad” ones that much better express their thoughts, so please use them around me and lose the nasty language.
I feel the same about the very awful helper word that many of them use all the time—LIKE. Drives me crazy when they rely on this word throughout their conversations.
You say you are “sure” about our early patriots’ language. Can you elaborate?
For most of my life, I cursed like a sailor, and with the same polluted mouth, praised God. How then could I pray to God to turn around impossible matters when I wouldn’t even constrain my vulgarity, a far simpler task?
If Jesus was waking this earth now and with me having the fight and manner I do, he would in fact be walking side by side w me. Study the apostles.
Who would “lead” in this hypothetical?
Silly question.
virtue signal alert
Please give this man his due. Absent his methodology would we ever be able to verify the full extent of the election fraud?
We have to win a few battles the hard and harsh way to get back what we lost and create a better world. Otherwise, we bend a knee to these tyrants and die enslaved by them. Time to be the kind of people you wish for comes later. We have tried the “nice” way.
It’s not working to be peaceful and respectful against the enemy at this point and we are rapidly losing whatever freedom and liberties we have a right to every single day. Sorry, but your right, we will agree to disagree. Actions need to be taken and they will not always be the “nice” ones you wish for.
You can win battles, in a temporal and secular way, until the next battle, left for our children to fight. But to strike at the root of evil with supernatural, you cannot go it alone – you need Almighty God. If you are skeptical, seek Him fervently before tuning this out. As one radical leftist turned Christian said: “I kept reading the Bible until it became bigger in me that I was.”
As for cursing, this is what scripture says: https://www.openbible.info/topics/swearing_and_cursing
There is no justification for God’s people to curse in a spiritual war. The US Marines might allow for it, but God does not.
False teaching there Coki. The words spoken as “curse words” were much different then and more powerful and punitive than the words I spoke. You read your scripture 100% wrong and out of ignorance of the origins and use of “cruse words” and the mear fact today we refer to them as curse words. Most people who feel they are holier-than-thou make the same mistake you make.
I’m glad you read my post. It doesn’t matter one bit what I think or say. You know what matters most.
This conversation is way down in the nitpicking weeds and a big waste of my time.
I am no fan of curse words or salty language. I didn’t grow up with it and hearing it makes me cringe. However, I know many who never utter a curse word and they claim there Christianity, yet there is no fruit whatsoever in their life.
If there is no fruit Jesus said they will be cut off.
I wasn’t there and I can’t prove it, but I suspect some of the disciples may have had some salty language.
I think having virtue is a great thing.
How we signal our virtue can cause some problems.
If only the pure can engage in political warfare then the cause is already lost.
Special genius emotes special language
Again, perhaps in a secular and singful culture. I believe we are called to something better.
Sadly, this thread alone is a testament (sorry, couldn’t resist ?) to my point.
Have a great Sunday.
A better scene is when Ralphy is helping his dad change the flat tire and aftermath scene in the bathroom with bar of soap in his mouth and his mom’s phone call to his friend’s mom.
Yep. Had it in mind.
Awesome movie awesome scene
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I agree. Jovan looks/acts like a maniac even if he’s factually correct
John the Baptist was a kook as well
Sorry you were offended by “our side’s” passion….
No kidding. If you biggest take away from watching that video was “speech in polite society and my delicate ears”, you are asleep at the wheel.
God help us.
Interesting (and quite telling in terms of how deeply we actually consider these things) you ask God to help us.
Did you happen to read my further replies? Apparently not.
Have a great Sunday.
I’ll partner with the impolite ones for now, and know you are there for us if the country is overrun.
It’s cool to have real men available in all spots and view points.
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Goal= eradicate the comfort in kidnapping and raping kids. That single pleasure removed from the world would reduce the lack of moral domino effect ( more ungodly things u do the less hope you have for getting into heaven so u give up and do more evil).
Seriously! We’re trying to fix a country here, but everyone be nice. No mean tweets. Just, spare us all.
AMEN
Very droll. Our of courtesy, I will assume you did not take the time to read (or ponder?) my further replies.
Have a great Sunday!
Ah yes. Very similar to our passionate enemies in BLM and Antifa.
You apparently in your passion missed the point I am making. Our communication and its being symptomatic of virtue is the point—not our “passion” which if were measurable, I am confident mine meets or exceeds that of the subject of this thread as well as that of my antagonists here.
I’ve over the years worked on my ‘language’. I know my ‘choice of words’ may shift some ppl away from the point I would be trying to make. Therefore in the video I used my filter so as not to lose Jovan’s POV or to make his POV secondary to my judgement of his delivery. (POV = point of view)
SD stated we’d hear “Salty” language. That’s a good opening for a filter to be applied.
I agree, but I also have observed that the hellish quality of the tyranny and lies we have been exposed to is prompting many sincere Christians to find themselves uttering profanity that they thought they had purged from their vocabularies. I find these days that I have to be extremely careful (not always successfully) to not use profanity when discussing current events. The frustration of seeing how many of our fellow citizens – and even conservatives – simply submit to the lies is infuriating.
Not only “submit to the lies” but also succumb (with tortured rationalizations) to much of what has gotten us here politically—a movement away from “virtue.”
As our Founders repeatedly warned us, our government (e.g., those “officials,” elected and otherwise) would fail to function as they intended if those assuming those roles from the citizenry at large were not “virtuous.” That means the citizenry at large must be “virtuous” first if we are to expect those “public servants” to then be “virtuous” in carrying out their duties in government.
It is also telling as to where we now find ourselves spiritually, morally, culturally and intellectually that so few “patriots” seem to be able to realize these immutable connections and instead merely point fingers at “corrupt” officials without first studying ourselves in a mirror in terms of our “virtue” as that term was understood and embraced by our Founders.
So right, The founders were extraordinarily clear regarding a moral and virtuous people would be required to hold on to the Rrpunluc.
Franklin was notoriously promiscuous, Jefferson had a longtime relationship with Sally Hemmings. Hamilton died in a dual.
Pretty virtuous, huh?
I do not want to sound impious but it will be a welcome relief when Sunday ends and you step down from the pulpit.
You speak pretty words; Jovan Pulitzer shows mighty deeds.
Which carries more weight?
Jarhead, do you have any concern at all for the issue at hand which is not profanity? Save that for another day. You are diverting attention from a very important discussion–the methods the cheaters use to obfuscate. Listen and learn.
I do not like profanity but I also do not like posters who harp on the language in a troll-like manner.
I can only assume you skimmed my replies in this thread as I am as concerned, if not more so, with the state of our nation and world at all levels and in all contexts but I see, in contrast apparently to many “patriots” here, that all of these ills spring from our increasing rejection of “virtue” (as understood by our Founders—a belief in and desire to follow Judo-Christian values and principles of the Bible) in favor of the secular “anything goes” “culture” our enemies have “helped” us create.
20 years ago you boomers were telling me that all I had to do was go to college and everything would be fine. Then I got older and learned a few new words and reserved most of them for the f***ing idiots who led me astray. Sorry if it makes your hat fly off but I want more life, f***er.
Jovan is smart but immature, and it shows.
Succinct.
The one pill everyone wants but refuses take. Truth. Truth showed from. The rooftops
Speaking the truth in love…
Paul the Apostle
I have read all your comments Jarhead and find your focus on words and virtue a to be a total obfuscation of the real points in need of addressing
We watched it yesterday evening.
I wish he would have a more professional demeanor. I think he should maintain composure, it would make a lot of difference to convey this audit was done without bias. He may present evidence that says so, but acting in this manner may make people think results may be skewed. This audit should be conducted in a non-partisan dispassionate manner to assure all sides. Hopefully, only a handful of people saw this interview and he composes himself for more public appearances. We can’t have a Lin Wood presenting this crucial evidence.
Do you not think that this is a result of many, many prior discussions, done in courtesy and comity, after which there was NO FORWARD MOVEMENT… IN THE FACE OF SERIOUS DEADLINES TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC?
You sanctimonious prigs make me puke. Sure, let’s wait a little more, let’s hem and haw, let’s have another committee meeting, ad nauseum, as our 22 months expires and 2022 is upon us… And then, ALL IS LOST.
Our Founders would have tarred and feathered or a hung these thieving criminals by now.
Taking the high road and “being above getting dirty”has cost us the culture war, the media war, and many other fronts in this grand battle. Our continual belief that we have to rise above everything with being on the moral high ground and never get in the trenches to go to war has only set us back.
I’m not saying you have to start cursing like a sailor, but here’s where we need to forego the sub-dividing among us with those on same mission, not nitpicking over little things and be more as the left has always done. Which is, stick together even if we disagree on the small stuff like use of profanity, because we’re stronger when we stop fighting among ourselves over the minutiae. Me, I’m trying to watch my formerly-colorful vocabulary more as I get older, but if someone doing good work for the cause can’t communicate without having a blue streak, well, I’m okay with that.
Salty language is the LEAST OF OUR PROBLEMS. President Trump uses some salty language and I could care less if he is doing the right thing. I would rather have bad language from a patriot than “nice polite” language from a traitor shredding our constitution on a daily basis!
We all know Trump won.
That said, no one is going to jail.
That said, Biden is gonna be there till Harris takes over. Accept it. (Unless Hillary intervenes….if you know what I mean)
Am I a pessimist? No. I’ve been paying attention a long time.
I suggest Red States secede, while it is possible.
So, you think I’m wrong? Remember this post at the next election (2024)………
Oh yeah, the “Durham report is coming out soon and people are going to jail”. You gotta be kidding me……..
Sorry. I’m not that gullible.
I view secession as the only option to unCivil War.We need a divorce, just cant get along with people that want to enslave the rest of us. The only problem is Lucifers Children want war- they cant envision America without them ruling over us. Dont count on the U.S. military to save this nation- they’ve already chosen sides.
No one is going to take my country away from me. No divorce! I want the restoration of the US Constitution.
MM, God bless you!
Be glad to join you in the trenches.
Don’t want to see the country dismembered after ALL THE SACRIFICES made by patriot’s to keep it The UNITED States of America, in all
wars on all fronts
I didn’t ask for this.
what would dismembering the country look like? doing away with the federal government temporarily then reconstituting it with NEW members of Congress, new Pres, new SCOTUS WITHOUT all the unconstitutional departments that have been created? And the 3 branches are limited to their CONSTITUTIONAL duties ? have each state rejoin under the parameters of the constitution? and those that dont want to rejoin let them figure out their own way? THE STATES (and people of the states) OWN THE COUNTRY AND THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT. the feds dont run us — we run them and it is time to assert that control.
So do we, we can keep it in our new states.
Our country was founded on the concept of divorce between freedom lovers and tyrants. We are at that point again. There cannot be nor will there be unification between a large and powerful group of destroyers and those of us who seek the progress of the human race.
Oh, BRAVO!! Perfectly said!
Don’t we all? If wishes were horses…
Secession would only work in some states. If you look at swing states, they are basically red, with a couple big blue cities out-voting the rest of the state. Look at PA, basically red, but Pittsburgh & Philadelphia hold enough votes and cheating to overwhelm the rest. Quite a few states have this problem.
What I see is large cesspools known as blue cities filled with marxists and willing serfs while large swaths of many states are red. Some states themselves would need to be reconfigured. Examples include New York City vs other area of New York the state with the tyrants being concentrated in NYC. North Georgia and possibly south Georgia being burdened with the power concentration in metro-Atlanta. And on and on. The ugly-minded city dwellers in their ugly concrete abodes want the rest of us to be consigned to the same miserable environments they have made for themselves.
Same as the State of Maryland,.. Western MD is Mountain country, productive, bright red,.. the Eastern Shore of MD,.. Peninsula, Coast line and Chesapeake Bay… mostly farm country, deep red,..farms dating back a century and more…. And then there is Baltimore and the Md suburbs of DC..densely populated,Crime out of control, a place where the political class hangs out,..produces politicians and not much more. BLUE,…. and has enough people packed in to outvote the rest of the state.
And they want us to pay for it.
Secession by Red County.
The Southern states tried that and “saint Abe” would not accept a peaceful separation. Why, he wanted to create a European style mercantile superstate. Any thought of states believing that they were sovereign had to be crushed at any cost – including blatant war crimes. Do you really think that the demons in control of our government institutions would allow that? I am not so hopeful.
Forgot the question mark after “Why”.
Yep… Not a fan of Lincoln.
“ Why, he wanted to create a European style mercantile superstate.”
Finally, someone blurts out the real cause of the conflict. It was NOT primarily about slavery.
Should be talking about steps NOW to secede, and create contiguous borders, how to trade, creating a currency, what about people on SS, road maintenance, excise taxes, schools. Must do without federal money.
Etc.
and where does the “federal money ” come from? we the peeps.
When it comes to Social Security and Medicare those are funds we “peeps” paid into with every paycheck we earned all our working life and many depend on that today to survive. The feds would love to walk away from that and keep that money for their own pet projects and let all of the SS recipients die off…. There has to be a way to handle that in a way that does not disenfranchise and abandon every Citizen over 65 years of age…..
And that’s good news, right? We keep our money and get to decide where it goes, yes? It infuriates me that we pay for LOCAL SCHOOLS with LOCAL property taxes, LOCAL sales taxes, and yet it’s not enough to govern our LOCAL SCHOOLS. They have to have our FEDERAL money, too, and still give us a crap product!
My mom was a schoolteacher, in a state slow to become fully unionized, and she said that school became crap when 1) They were unionized, and 2) started whoring themselves out for federal money. No loyalty to local taxpayers at all. And whatever they got was never enough…
Don’t worry, Durham will get em anyway now
The most honest interview(discussion) I have heard in 10 years. Nobody is bullshitting anyone. Straight to the point.
Seems to me that the AZ Audit is the gold standard. All the ballot boxes, machines, cards, same process, etc. Pretty straight forward. Its amazing how these politicians complicate things. Start spending the 220 MILL you fundraised off of for election integrity, Ronna McRomney. Jovan is intense, probably because he is frustrated dealing with all these spineless RINOS and just wants to grab the ball and play.
“Double-speak hurts America.” -Jovan Pulitzer
Boum.
His sworn constitutional duty requires commitment to a 100% audit. Anything else is polite posturing, without intended fidelity to election integrity, IMHO. Pat seems to knows the results will be similar to Arizona.
America needs fundamental election integrity reform that ensures 100% election integrity.
Bright people can devise a way in 3-6 months, I would think.
Someone bright once said, “Election Integrity is like the steering wheel in your hands being connected to the trophy truck you are racing.”
“His sworn constitutional duty requires commitment to a 100% audit.”
You saw what was done to Kelly, Stone and Manafort. Would you cheerfully step up in this man’s place?
We don’t have 3-6 months.
Just did some research on Patrick Colbeck. He’s a flake.
I’m guessing Jovan’s main issue with Colbeck was the all-or-nothing approach Colbeck was pushing for in MI…count every vote in every county. While I’d certainly want that too, just auditing the two worst counties for now, with the budget allocated would be acceptable AND could get past the legislature. Going whole hog and losing that in the legislature would doom the entire effort.
My thoughts exactly.
Agree, like a Pareto analysis, you work on those areas that present the biggest signal of trouble. No sense spending effort and money on counties where the vote was fairly similar to past elections. Look at those areas that display signals that are anomalies. Very high turnouts, very high absentee or mail ins, suspicious behavior like boarding up windows, etc.
Yep… The All or Nothing is DESIGNED TO FAIL.
Care to share more?
Patrick Colbeck is some kind of rino hybrid, perhaps not a full blown, in your face Rino but definitely compromised.
As a BS+MS University of Michigan engineer he absolutely is smart enough to do the math, set theory, game theory etc, so no excuse for “misunderstanding” or his misrepresentation on fractional audits.
A 100% audit by (worst) county is simply extendable to the rest of the counties and additive to any further whole county audits. No big deal for a starter that it is state “fractional”.
Fractional county audits for 100% of the state counties would be simply pea under the shell swindles. Vote stuffing as usual.
Fractional audits are a joke. They are designed to fail. On a limited budget, a full forensic audit of Wayne County is the way to go because that is where 99% of the fraud occurred.
PC: “kinematic artifact detection”… [ as Jovan’s special interest] …”trademarked”
Very disingenuous representation of generic tech talk by PC.
Requiring different technology aspects should form a minimum in the bill’s specifications.
“Kinematic Artifact Detection platform” vs “kinematic artifact detection” is not a trademark conflict per se, and is not fundamentally patent blocked – there might patents but there definitely will be a lot of expired patents so bidding is not channeled by intellectual property as PC implies, and multiple vendors is a clear possibility. e.g. high resolution, multispectral Scan(s) could all be separate from several image processing runs by different vendors.
That was painful as h311, and I tho’t the 5+ hours of the Michigan sanctions hearing against Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, Stefanie Lambert and more was bad. Talk about drama queens spouting lies out the laft and right sides of their mouths, and a, frankly, seemingly biased judge.
Honestly, I’m not sure what the point of this conversation was, but I wish they hadn’t dragged us into their mud fight. I feel battered instead of enlightened, and my opinion of Jovan just went down a few notches.
I was glad, however, to hear that they were both on the same page about the new Hampshire sham audit of Windham county.
Because of all the b.s. that YuckBoob has pulled we haven’t heard that much out of NH lately, but here is an update from CannCon yeserday. I am getting ready to listen to it now.
Interview with Ken Eyring, Tom Murray and Lisa Mazur
Government Integrity Project wins massive “write in” victory in Danville NH Selectment election!
https://canncon.locals.com/upost/862505/interview-with-ken-eyring-tom-murray-and-lisa-mazur
While I am thinking about it, I ran across these items around the beginning of July. It looks like they have already decided what the b.s. they will spout regarding the Windham County, NH fraudit.
New Hampshire Election Audit, part 1
2 Jun 2021
by Andrew Appel
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/02/new-hampshire-election-audit-part-1
New Hampshire Election Audit, part 2
7 Jun 2021
by Andrew Appel
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2021/06/07/new-hampshire-election-audit-part-2
I recognized the name of the author, Appel, immediately, from this document which I had found, read and shared with many back in Nov 2020:
SEQUOIA VOTING SYSTEMS, INC. USES VOTE-COUNTING SOFTWARE DEVELOPED, OWNED, AND LICENSED BY FOREIGN-OWNED SMARTMATIC, A COMPANY LINKED TO THE VENEZUELAN GOVERNMENT OF HUGO CHÁVEZ
By John Bonifaz, Voter Action
12 Jun 2008
https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/itl/vote/SequoiaSmartmaticReport61208.pdf
There are some very good comments as well. Don’t forget to read there.
This is one of the things they are talking about:
G.I.P. VICTORY! Tyranny Defeated and Liberty Restored in Danville NH!
By Ken Eyring
15 July 2021
https://granitegrok.com/mg_windham/2021/07/gip-tyranny-defeated-and-liberty-restored
Excerpt:
The mission of the Government Integrity Project (GIP) is to restore Liberty in every NH town. On Tuesday, July 13, 2021… that town was Danville, NH, where the work of nearly 60 GIP volunteers over weeks of effort culminated into an historic accomplishment by an incredible team of liberty minded patriots!
Together, they sent a shock wave to the liberal elitists in the town of Danville and across the state of NH. Tyranny was defeated and Liberty was restored when Constitutional conservative and write-in candidate Scott Borucki defeated incumbent Kim Farah for Danville Selectman! Farah represented all that is wrong with elected representatives who have forgotten their oaths to office.
Read more at the link above.
I think what’s becoming clear is our side is starting to become frustrated beyond anything now.
It’s been almost a full year and we’re no closer to fixing anything when it comes to our elections.
I get the sense that Jovan is brilliant and has something important to say, but he never effin’ says it. His problem is that he hears people but he doesn’t listen to anyone. So, we get these endless arguments over what amounts to a misunderstanding caused by Jovan’s failure to listen and understand. Both agree that a full audit, as opposed to a fractional audit, is needed and a full audit of Wayne County would be acceptable. So much wasted time on this point. Patrick proposed a bill that was watered down due to budget limitations and what he thought was possible. Jovan is angry that Patrick’s bill is the opening offer in a Turkish bazaar-like negotiation and thus should have set forth a maximalist position as opposed to a compromise offer. Okay, strategy differences aside, that was a wasted hour.
An aside… The AZ audit folks are taking too long to release preliminary findings. Why? $$$ I suspect.
Rumble is worthless for longer videos.
Yep, the guy on the right is CLEARLY trying to get the audits going. Jovan keeps dropping f-bombs on him.
It’s not about being right. It’s about being effective.
FYI…..To complete the audit and give the final report—–There is data from election management systems (EMS)they need which has not been released by the Supes of Maricopa County AZ. They need these other than what was already requested or subpoenaed:
*Splunk logs to validate there was no remote access .
*Full back-up copy of the changed voter rolls to see who had access to it, made changes and to see
when change of custody occurred.
*Systems associated to duplication of ballots.
*Any reports connected with the breach of voter rolls through MC . The levels of the breach and how far it went.
*Need to see copy of MC election procedures policy. Some are public, some NOT detailed and some have no docs.
*Records of all mailed out ballots. What was rejected and what was destroyed.
*Blue sheets–.
*Request ALL portable media external hard drives containing election data. Az audit only rec’d ONE of them. Subpoena any portable media or external drives.
*Need network diagram to show how MC election management system is connected to the police dept.
*Digital copy of all versions of policies and procedures utilized and associated with the 2020 election. Only received VERBAL reports from people.
*All records of paper distributed to election centers.
*Need data on adjudication of ballots.
*Need copies of all files submitted for the purpose of duplicating damaged ballots.
*Need information about the total count of all ballots received and eligible voters–how it was received and sent back.
This is most of the list given to Karen Fann by Ben Cotton, Doug Logan and Ken Bennett, about what is still needed/wanted for the forensic audit final report.
Had not until this comment ever heard the term “splunk” logs – just looked it up.
I’m guessing we’re talking about the logs that were purposefully and feloniously erased in AZ, as just revealed this week, by running a script in March that performed thousands of logins until all older login data – specifically including Nov 2020 – had been removed permanently.
I think the term “splunk” is memorable and should be used whenever referring to these logs. Because the script scrubbed previous data, I think it should be called the SSS – the Splunk Scrub Script.
And my larger question has become – is there any chance that the very same script was run in the other battleground states?
Memorable terms are useful in information warfare. For example “spike protein” is clearly gaining recognizability everywhere this year…
Too long releasing? Maybe they have to in order to make sure every i is dotted and t is crossed because they know the coming furious attacks are going to be based on looking for every little slip up that can be found. I’m glad they are taking their time. It needs to be as perfect as it can be when they release the report.
“His problem is that he hears people but he doesn’t listen to anyone.”
In a small way, this harkens back to the controversy between Cyril and Nestorius during the Council of Chalcedon.
Neither wanted to listen to the points being made by the other party with the result being a permanent schism between the Eastern and Western churches.
Our enemies are eager for our division and conquest. We need to avoid the circular firing squad routine.
I know it is dangerous to admit being at one of the state capital rallies prior to January 6th, but my experience was the politicians were watering them down even before the false flag. Even if a politician shows indications of being on our side, they must be watched at all times as they will choose the most expedient time to slither away.
The people in charge in MI are trying to figure out how to do an audit without just targeting Wayne County.
Pick two red counties (one of them, Antrim), and Wayne county, and do a full, in depth, forensic audit.
That’s the core of the “fractional audit” semantics. A 20% sampling of each county is a waste of time. Auditing, in full like AZ, 20% of the counties is not…as long as Wayne county is one of them.
Jovan is his own worst enemy.
There’s a great soliloquy in the musical “1776” they Ben Franklin gives John Adams as he dresses-down Adams for being a pushy, rude, jerk. Somebody needs to show that to Pulitzer.
Some have heard that Churchill had a vice or 2.
Some have heard that some critics of Churchill had a pet peave or 2.
Many have heard that the positive actions of Churchill were a difference maker, when needed, and called to unique duty for country and its people.
Thank you for placing some sunlight on how improved legislation ( or sausage ) is made
with
a writer,
and
with someone that knows what’s right,
and
someone willing to help the 2 engage
towards
improving a product ( legislation) that could both protect intellectual property
and
be helpful for a country, and its people ( full forensic audit)
…through a reverence of God.
( as one might recognize during the closing of the fruitful dialogue)
p.s.
The AZ. election committee had a prior big learning curve too. The fruits of the prior, resolute, honest labors ( amongst a host of angst)
are beginning to arrive…
Sometimes,
if we pray for potatoes,
it can also be helpful to use a hoe,
i.e.
tools, seeds, nurturing, know how plus, plus God’s nature,
( and perspire, get a hand blister, or a callous to toughen up for the productive task at hand ) etc.
Love thy neighbors…
Oh I get it and read it. But as always many have differing opinions (needed) and no one ever see all the cards in play (as with this issues, audits or my issue with Patrick/Carra and MI). But points taken and I chose this particular strategy w Patrick for a very specific reason.
Jovan – from deep in the bowels of the deep state, I appreciate you, brother.
The only thing that breaks this loose is audit results in AZ that show a clear reversal in outcome and an unmistakable fraud signal leading to the arrest of AZ election officials at the State and County level.
It is why Biden’s programmers chose PA for his firewall. They believe AZ is lost.
We are living in dark times. Keep up the good fight. I appreciate you taking time to reply.
Monticello May. 8. 1825.
“…this was the object of the Declaration […] to place before mankind the common sense of the subject; in terms so plain and firm as to command their assent, and to justify ourselves in the independant stand we were compelled to take. […]it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, and to give to that expression the proper tone and spirit called for by the occasion.”
Thomas Jefferson writing to Patrick Henry
Yep, both Antrim and Wayne.
1
Being an aerospace engineer, the guy would have had at least one course in probability and statistics. You use it to help with safety factors and margins. Predictive failures for loads and stresses are compared to actual testing for critical structural components and materials.
What am getting at?
The legislator knows a full forensic audit would yield near 100% accuracy of what happened and would be superior compared to a limited audit. The guys a RINO and should not be trusted.
I am a Michigan voter and I have not trusted Colbeck for a long time. He is not the only engineer politician who lacks sufficient curiosity on the methods of how the cheat was perpetrated. All talk. Phony.
There’s an arrogance that comes with technical people which presumes science is neutral, and technology such as this is presumed correct because no sane person would build and intentionally field a system whose specific purpose is to commit fraud.
That’s the issue down in AZ. The Maricopa County Board most likely DOES NOT KNOW what the Democrats and Dominion did. They presume an honest process, and, like all government people, they are incapable of deploying snd operating their systems without contractors.
Is there a decent chance the MC BOS is wholly corrupt and was in on the fraud. Sure, I give it 40% odds.
However, what I think is more likely (and we see this in Antrim county) is that the government people are incompetent and wholly depend on what their contractor (Dominion) tells them.
Both groups are afraid people will find out that they do very little to manage the elections, and that it is all subcontracted out.
The AZ AG sent some sort of communication to the AZ SoS asking why he hasn’t received ANY reports of double voting in either 2018 or 2020 (impossible). The AZ SoS response? They depend on a contractor – an outside group – to do this for them. That group hasn’t reported, so the AZ SoS can’t do anything.
The simple fact is that our elections are run by incompetent people using contractors to shift the blame and cover up.
I bet the MC BOS doesn’t even have the passwords, and that only Dominion does.
Patrick is either dumb (unlikely) or is being extremely disingenuous. Although he didn’t state it explicitly, he doesn’t want to do a sole source procurement which would guarantee the contract would go to Jovan. Instead he’s operating under the ruse of trying to make it competitive.
I don’t know about Michigan law but in Maryland it’s okay to use the company’s product in a procurement by inserting the phrase “or equivalent”. The other option is to do a sole source procurement. This is done ALL of the time when the vendor the State wants to use, is the only one who has the service or product they are trying to acquire. There is also an exigency clause that can also be used to bypass a competitive bid. They don’t like to do it, so it requires a serious justification since sole sourcing has been abused in the past.
A quick google search and I found an on-line form from the Michigan State Police, that would need to be submitted to the state procurement agency to justify a sole source procurement. Make no mistake about this, if the State Police can do this, so can every agency in the Executive Branch of the State.
https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/Noncompetitive_Procurement_Justification_Fillable_Revised_9-23-20_703222_7.pdf
It would also depend on which branch of the government is issuing the procurement. Again, Maryland only, the procurement laws varied by which branch of government was doing the procuring. In my experience, the legislature had the widest latitude when it came to procurements, no doubt because they are in charging of writing the laws.
Remember those police flights over the site of the audit?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/maricopa-spy-plane-now-flying-right-coliseum-election-audit-taking-place-must-lots-stolen-cars-area/
Can someone tell me if they stopped now that the audit is over? Or are they still going on?
Colbeck is a politician more than an engineer. Like all politicians when confronted with facts they just tend to throw up a word salad and change the subject. I have dealt with people just like him and I can understand Jovan’s frustration. The goal is to water down the audit and hopefully delay it until people have the next shiny object or they can legally destroy the records.
I thought it was a very good example of what intelligent people can do to work forward and examine each person’s ideas. and misconceptions. They came to a consensus. They were amiable if you stayed to the end. Jovan wanted to keep the eye on the prize–a forensic audit that looks at the total picture of a single county like Wayne Co., not a small meaningless, “fractional” slice of it.
Thanks, Sundance!!
Amazing to read the comments and the commenters are more focused on some swearing than the actual issue at hand and the double-talking politician trying to blame the Michigan audit dilemma on $3 per vote count.
That’s as inane as worrying about Trump’s “mean” tweets while ignoring the subject of his tweets.
And, there are untold sums of conscientious people
that can focus to hear the important signals, the substance,
(and overlook the noise, the flak)
p.s.
…even perfection, truth has its vocal critics ( remember good Friday?).
Yet, regardless, the truths march on… (and that is more important, for people)
MI is in the process of considering full forensic audit.
[ 10 months ago, few people in this country, or elsewhere,
were even thinking of such of a concept – forensic audit of election(s)…
yet…today,
it’s growing amongst discussions…and there are also those that are reluctant,
yet… some want the hard evidence,
that others resisted, questioned its existence, 8 months ago…
(even though its always been there, just
wanting to be increasingly, accurately found, and shared)…]
hmmm… ]
Love thy neighbors.
Faith and good works…
James 2:22
Thanks for emphasizing the good news!
It’s been another bumpy ride of a week but it’s been a good one, nevertheless.
“Conservative” media that doesn’t talk about the Steal, makes the Democrats go
“Well, we got found out, but it was Totally Worth It! Look at all the Free Stuff and the Power we got, and NO consequences. Wheeeeeeeee!”
Has anyone here met Sen Colbeck?
I have, tea-party constitutionalist, man of Christ and as engineer looks for elegant solutions that work only to get thwarted by the Deep State in MI, (That’s right I said it, many are RINO’s in the House and Senate!) aka his efforts to stop Obamacare and bring an alternative that involved the state funding HSA’s for those in need with up to a 60% reduction in cost and his Fixes for our horendous roads that again, they sidelined him.
Put away your lantern you have found your one good man…
I’m truly puzzled by the negative attitude expressed toward Patrick Colbeck. I visit his website daily and appreciate the info he provides. He is not currently in MI senate, term limited out, so it takes a different approach to get things done. I’m assuming he knows the RINOness of the current legislators and is attempting to work in ways that can or may work. This election revealed to me the really awfulness of our MI elected, both senators and reps. Their foot dragging is telling: what are they hiding.
Barb makes this very important comment, which is repeated here:
———————————————–
FYI…..To complete the audit and give the final report —– There is data from election management systems (EMS) they need which has not been released by the Supes of Maricopa County AZ. The [auditors] need these other [items in addition to] what was already requested or subpoenaed:
* Splunk logs to validate there was no remote access .
* Full back-up copy of the changed voter rolls to see who had access to it, made changes and to see
when change of custody occurred.
* Systems associated to duplication of ballots.
* Any reports connected with the breach of voter rolls through MC . The levels of the breach and how far it went.
* Need to see copy of MC election procedures policy. Some are public, some NOT detailed and some have no docs.
* Records of all mailed out ballots. What was rejected and what was destroyed.
* Blue sheets–.
* Request ALL portable media external hard drives containing election data. Az audit only rec’d ONE of them. Subpoena any portable media or external drives.
* Need network diagram to show how MC election management system is connected to the police dept.
* Digital copy of all versions of policies and procedures utilized and associated with the 2020 election. Only received VERBAL reports from people.
* All records of paper distributed to election centers.
* Need data on adjudication of ballots.
* Need copies of all files submitted for the purpose of duplicating damaged ballots.
* Need information about the total count of all ballots received and eligible voters–how it was received and sent back.
This is most of the list given to Karen Fann by Ben Cotton, Doug Logan and Ken Bennett, about what is still needed/wanted for the forensic audit final report.
———————————————–
A full forensic audit, if it is to be fully effective in revealing the most important issues and problems, must trace the entire election management process end-to-end as it was being conducted before, during, and after the November 3rd 2020 election.
The Arizona audit will not be a full forensic audit unless all the material on the above list is given to the auditors and is then thoroughly analyzed.
A full forensic audit is a time consuming and expensive proposition. Which means that if the auditing resources are limited to only so much time and so much money, those resources must be focused where the most value for the time and money being spent is to be found — the counties which initial evidence indicates were the places where the most numerous and serious discrepancies most likely occurred.
If this disagreement was all about whether to concentrate on one county first, that only makes common sense.
Make it so…
(Uh…wait…hmm… I guess I don’t actually have a magic wand, sadly.)
Debating language avoids the substance. Sounds rather progressive to me.
I like Jovan, but he quite frankly acted like a little kid in this debate.
His languish and behavior hurts the credibility of any audit he is involved in.
(whatever the noise, or style, or personna, or glamour, or aroma, or whatever, that some may languish)
some others still are very able to see the truths, and / or produce results that matter for the benefit of many.
[ and it goes both ways ]
imho
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.” Winston Churchill
“The truth is rarely pure, and never simple.” Oscar Wilde
“If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair.” C.S. Lewis
“Sometimes things become possible if we want them bad enough.”
― T.S. Eliot
“Who is more humble?
The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us,
or
somebody who says everything in this book (or weak legislation) must be considered the literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?” – Carl Sagan
“You never know how much you really believe anything until its truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you.” C.S. Lewis
[ maybe getting to real bottom truth of the Nov. 3 elections for the long term,
is more important….
and some are mistakenly taking that for granted,
by mis-using whatever short term nuance personna….? hmmm… ]
Believe it, or not, after 8 months …some people in MI. began, in small tidbits…
to utter the words ‘audit’,
then … partial forensic audit…
then… eventually, full forensic audit
[ and most likely, 99.9 % of voters had not even heard of the phrase, last October 2020 – and still are largely clueless what it really entails. Some are learning….
Someone learned some more, in 1 hour (video) than some have learned in 8 months….(the ballots are only kept for 22 months…
s0… floundering around, obfuscating with crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s, does not get it done….[ as some, untold, may wish and practice … ] )
imho
Now you know the state of Michigan RINO’S. They sold out there country long ago. Areo Space Engineer? I doubt that.
Patrick Colbeck is discussing the “art of the possible”; Jovan Pulitzer is demanding strict adherence to scientific principles.
At the risk of being denounced as an equivocator, the politician is correct. Science is servant to the body politic.
We cannot hand over control of the political process to a Brain Trust or body of experts. This is why we currently suffer under the misrule of unelected bureaucrats.
If we are ever to drain the Swamp, experts must remain subject to political control.
Jovan is a welcome addition to the fight but he must recognize that he is the horse, not the Teamster.
With frozen breakfasts, or other selections, it may have been awhile that
some have prepared a breakfast from scratch, in part by using whole chicken eggs, in the original shell.
That being as it is, or not,
some others know – and practice..
that some eggs need to be cracked
to make an omelet.
( and yes, there are dainty, quiet, gentle ways to open the shell and one could spend hours doing so plus find use for the shell…
and
some others open the egg ( or several eggs at a time) other ways, and perhaps in a productive, quality way and faster. I am not sure what the shell looks like, but
there is a growing hunger for the omelet that aims to become satisfied, so as to have nourishment
to accomplish some other duties.)
p.s.
I hear that Pres. Lincoln dismissed about 10 generals,
before finding one – still not perfect –
that could suitably lead the Union in the Civil War.
[ I am not sure how some eggs, or generals, got civily cracked,
but the earned, tough, costly, ‘civil’
outcome was good for the country…
even though some may have been offended for awhile ( to put it lightly )….but, working at greater peace, one nation, under God, indivisible…with increased liberty and justice for all. ]
The people in the video, were also at peace together at the end,
and gained greater understanding, together, in 1 hour.
I need to go get some more eggs…
…is some salt wanted, or needed too…?
Love thy neighbors
I live in Michigulag- I voted for Colbeck when he ran for the Repub nomination to be Governor in 2018. He would have been great, but got Zero Support – Barfman Schuette was so visibly relieved to lose to Harpie Gretch Whitmer, it was sickening. The RINOS sold out my state and should all be in jail for certifying the Fraud election. Guiliani was horrible – played to Lose indeed. Why vote when you can have Dominion do it for you thanks to RINO Gov. Snyder who signed off on this before he left office.
I do ultimately agree about the language and that JP acts a bit unhinged. When you are being sold as a conspiracy theorist those attributes can further hurt one’s integrity. Even if he’s not a Christian he should try not to offend the faithful who want to support a sober analysis of these serious threats to lawful democracy.
Actually I really like what JV says at 36:50 and do believe he is the right man for the job!
…imho,
that would be a part of unburying
the lead ( of the video ) and highlighting the important key point.
The other part is…
8 months after Nov. 3rd, some
MI. people are beginning to look into the concept, and details
…of a full forensic audit being done, in MI.
( due to the lead by citizens concerns since Nov. 3…and their fortitude to persist to seek the whole truths… )
Imho
Probably right. But that’s their issue. We cant not demand the right thing out of fear of retribution.