President Donald Trump has endorsed Florida Senator Marco Rubio for re-election. This has angered many MAGA supporters who view Rubio, correctly, as a DeceptiCon establishment figure. However, there is a pragmatic political approach evident that should be considered.
First, it must always be remembered that the Republican party is a private club. The RNC is part of that private club. Both the Democrat Party and the Republican Party are private clubs. There are no federal, state or local election laws or rules that require club participation in order to run for elected office. The clubs exist to facilitate the infrastructure of a process that is guided by inside rules made by club members.
Second, within the MAGA community there has been a recent argument about the Republican party that essentially boils down to this: (A) President Trump should start a new party; a new club; and/or (B) President Trump should reform the Republican club from within, removing the establishment elements.
Within the club President Trump can influence the rules and agenda, but the club itself must support them. As we saw in 2016 there is a significant portion of the club who do not want Donald Trump within it. Thus all moves to influence the club should be cast against this reality.
President Trump endorsing a club member should not be a surprise to those who have advocated for Trump to take-over the republican party. Rubio has enough support within the club that a non-endorsement, or Trump’s support for a primary challenge, would exhaust a lot of political capital and ultimately result in a fight within the club.
Trump remaining inside the club, influencing the club, and carrying a sword of Damocles (endorsement or lack thereof) inside the club, could and should be viewed as the most pragmatic approach toward changing the club. Indeed, President Trump has previously said he preferred to remain in the Republican party as opposed to starting a new party from the ground up.
Currently we have a rather unique political dynamic. Arguably, the club now needs Trump more than Trump needs the club. However, also arguably, the club infrastructure is factually a value to President Trump.
The argument over “club value” boils down to one of political loyalty. ¹Example: if members inside the club are permitted to undermine the MAGA agenda of Donald Trump -the historic reference- then what value does the club actually have? ¹Example-2: if local and state club officials are tepid in their support, or worse yet actively work to undermine their candidate, then what value is the club? This has been my argument for over 15 years. Alas, if I am to support the MAGA objective I must defer my opinion to the person who really is the decision-maker, Donald Trump.
Again, Trump remaining inside the club, influencing the club, and carrying a sword of Damocles (endorsement or lack thereof) inside the club could be viewed as the successful approach toward changing the club. The historic reference here would be Barack Obama taking over the DNC club….. against the Clinton machine.
Clinton was to the DNC as Mitch McConnell and the Bush clan (et al) are to the RNC. Reference what Hillary Clinton did to Bernie Sanders (’16); successfully. Reference what Bush (and club) tried to do to Trump in ’16; unsuccessfully.
Barack Obama now owns the DNC club and has full control. Donald Trump is still working through the process and does not have full control; hence he has to navigate through the tribal issues that remain inside the RNC club.
President Trump endorsing Marco Rubio is pragmatic and keeps options A and B open. If Trump had not endorsed Rubio, or endorsed a challenger, then Option B (takeover of the club) would be much harder as the club would fight to save Rubio. Within the club Rubio is viewed as a more valuable club asset than Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski.
Yes, Rubio is a self-centered and compromised DeceptiCon and should not ever be trusted. On the positive side Rubio is tough on China and aligned against the influence of China in the U.S. That can be seen as a value.
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¹CTH readers will long-note that I have personally been an advocate for starting a new political party. I know how challenging that approach is, and I am wide-eyed to the reality of it. That said, I have also wanted the Republican party to reform so that a new party was not needed. However, years of suffering through broken promises of club reform leave me strongly cynical…. but I am willing to give President Trump every opportunity to succeed because, well, if I am being honest, we have not had a person on the inside genuinely trying to reform the party.
However, if Trump endorses anyone like Murkowski or Haley, my support for Trump’s effort will end immediately.
The takeover of the Republican “get rich quick ” association will ultimately be a futile exercise.
Of course that failure will only come after years of democrat consolidation of power and wealth through any means necessary.
Meanwhile the scattered, partyless patriots will be picked off, one by one, by the army of McCabe’s and Strzok’s lining the walls of Stasi HQ .
They’ll take your health care to pay for reassignment surgery.
They’ll meter your light usage so they can fly in AF 72 to an all expenses paid junket courtesy of Zuckerberg and Dorsey!
They’ll destroy you ability to self employ while they hand out gubment contracts to close friends and relatives (for a piece of the action, of course).
Nah, this takeover nonsense is the quintessential fiddling while Rome burns!
Thanks Sundance. Your analytical thinking is very much appreciated.
Rubio?
I just threw up a little in my mouth
and its gonna be hard getting it back down!
garlic powder and pepper might help
Honey, you don’t reswallow you spit it out. Learn how to handle your drunks. Lol.
Arrogant/Rude reply Cozette
Trump is an enigma.
trump is a polarizing figure in culture and politics.
but this decision to support Rubio has the same function as going from dark knight ..the one we don’t deserve, but need,
into something else that is at odds with all prior action and agenda.
he remains an enigma, a polarizing figure…but for actions now that cause one to step back and take a very deep breath and utter lots of cussing.
I don’t see how this helps maga. and in the current circumstances not helping maga can only be viewed at least a careless mistake.
this isn’t good.
one cannot brush that away and sugar coat it.
winning today? not so much
Trump had to stand alone while President and was stabbed in the back by his own Vice President. Trump wants to Make America Great Again, but he cannot do it alone. The election was stolen and not even the Supreme Court would stand up for state’s rights.
There is more than one way to skin a cat and being a purist or thinking Trump is not on our side because of these setbacks will not get us where we want to go. Trump is our man! He fights. We cannot do without him and he cannot do it himself, in the political world.
His opposition is evil.
I agree with everything you just said.
I have NEVER EXPECTED President Trump to do ANYTHING PURELY.
This was a strategic mistake, or a gross error.
and thus, I REMAIN CONSISTENT with MY VALUES about President Trump.
see how this works?
early on, I made it clear I was no big fan. But he won he over…and over..and over.
I changed my mind, because his decisions were done well IN SPITE OF THE ENORMOUS FORCES TO SHIFT HIM.
We cannot unwind the clock…It’s not worth any energy to even consider would coulda shoulda.
but here we ARE NOW…and frankly there is ONLY ONE TASK AT HAND now that President Trump is OUT OF OFFICE< UNDER ZERO POLITICAL PRESSURES TO MAKE ACCOMODATIONS.
and the FIRST PERSON HE ENDORSES SINCE LEAVING OFFICE IS?
rubio?
I call it like I see it.
we can disagree on many things. But I think you would have to be totally blind not to see what this is.
it is a complete strategic mistake.
one does not inspire maga voters 80 million plus strong in this way.
this is what you do DOWN THE ROAD…after teeing up first and sending dozens of wins first….compromises come later, if at all.
Trump HAS THE POWER to completely engage his base and ignite voters to roll out with the snap of his fingers and put on his best. He HAS THAT POWER. We know this because he has proven record of it. It’s not magic. He just worked and we did to. We looked for that rare outsider who could shake things up and re-establish the party and take specific people and hand them their asses. because that is what it takes. Change is hard. Change is necessary.
MORE NOW THAT EVER.
and the one person most powerful to make that happens, endorses Rubio.
that IS NOT how you roll out on the new format.
I am angry…many people are very angry about this. We maga people have a certain nose for getting effed over.
I am not saying Trump has betrayed the people who sent him into officer TWICE…
but this isn’t how you win over and continue to gather support.
no compromises…not for rubio..not for the GOPe….not for the RNC.
that line was crossed for many of us long ago.
we are anchored to the wonderful ideas that Trump was able to perform.
this isn’t it.
not close.
it’s making nice with the enemy…giving the enemy power.
if that doesn’t concern you…if you think there is some benefit in doing so, speak up…because we all need to get enlightened…
80 million voters are no more likely to vote for rubio than we would adam shiftface.
we KNOW the enemy….we cannot afford to allow them any more power.
and we can not afford to sink back and pretend we can find our way back to normal and fair representation by giving power to the very people who have worked HARD to stomp that opportunity for us into the ground.
the only question you should be asking yourself is this:
WHY RUBIO?
what was so damned important for President Trump to get up there and pretend?
where is the win?
you do realize that by forming this alliance, because that is exactly what it is, President Trump trades his influence for the party of rino…who have zero interest in our values.
none.
that’s not a strategy….it’s a choice that has no place in maga.
Promoting snakes like Rubio will not restore out county.
Mr. amnesty, Rubio will guarantee that. I don’t understand Trump’s endorsement of Rubio. We need a PATRIOT to run and beat Rubio and really start cleaning it up. No to Rubio!
But WHO would run, WHO will finance him, WHO will find him??
What are YOU doing?
Fighters take up a position with those who will keep them in the fight and maybe add some protection on the flanks. Politics is a dirty business; war even more so.
The pure of heart end up taking a position kneeling by a ditch, waiting to join their wife and kids in heaven.
This. You improvise.
I don’t like this at all. But, theres a saying “Keep your friends close, your enemies closer.”
I will take this action as that…but i’m with SD, if theres many more, I will no longer support Trump.
So if one has two vices, politics and drinking, I would suggest giving up politics. I don’t understand this. Surely after four years President Trump knows where the snakes are hiding, but apparently not. I am too frustrated to actually give a sh*t any more.
As long as those in Florida want to keep him as a senator that is on them. If he tries to run for president I won’t vote for him.
Lets just pray he doesn’t endorse Pence next
…NOT SO SURE IF IVANKA START …WHINING……..
rubio is elected and re-elected in South east Florida which is heavily dimocrat/commie…
The fact that he is elected again and again by the dimocrats is prima facie’ evidence that he is rino to the core.
Rubio is not trustworthy but he probably will make a deal with Trump for his endorsement. He may turn arounf like Romney did and bite him but he also may give Trump support. They don’t have to like each other, just work together.
Sundance, I wish you could meet with Trump yourself. He may not be aware of how MAGA supporters feel and that CTH readers and followers have many questions about his direction, his strategy and tactics he plans to use. Or is there anyone else within his circle that could hear our concerns from you and take them to PDJT for feedback.
I am in the camp for a new party because the GOP has left such a bad taste in my mouth. Their silence in the face of Biden’s EO’s on top of their refusal to stand with us against the installation of a fraudulent criminal-president gives me zero confidence that MAGA will be anything more than a pesky fly buzzing around in their world. Personally I don’t think compromise is wise or smart – we already tried that.
There isn’t time for a new party. Revisit how the Reform Party worked out and the Tea Party. It will be much worse not that the evil is in the open with censorship. It just splits the vote and then there is the voting machine problem to deal with. Having said that is no excuse to promote Rubio. I don’t understand that endorsement. He should be endorsing a PATRIOT to challenge Rubio.
AGAIN….WHO?? Have ANY of you spent any time thinking about someone to run against Rubio? Been looking around you at natural leaders who are ALREADY LEADING?
THEY DON’T GROW ON TREES, they are noticed, cultivated, honed and refined in administrative and leadership posts. They usually are not attracted to politics.
Who?
Yeah, new party , that’s the ticket. Look how well it worked out for President Ron Paul. As a matter of fact those Paulites were proud to stand for something and helped Bill Clinton get elected twice.
Since a lot of us MAGA supporters are not going to hold our noses for the next election, the republicans aren’t going to win anyway. So IMO you are advocating for a sure loss without even putting up a fight. The GOP is a dead part of the Uni-Party.
I am sure Joementia and the gang appreciate having people like you help them by sitting elections out. Smart plan.
We didn’t HAVE TO have a new party. What was essential was getting every last one of the swamp senators THE HELL OUT OF THERE!
Thank God I ain’t a Florida voter.
Our brothers and sisters down in the Sunshine state have my condolences.
This is like having to vote for a McCain or a Romney…
*Edit to add:
But I am curious to hear what the Donald has to say about little marco this weekend.
I am a Florida voter, and you are correct…
There ain’t a nickel’s worth of difference in rubio, romney , and mccain.
It’s a crying shame Trump can’t figger that out…
I am awaiting an endorsement for the ex-vice president. I will not use judas’s current name unless I am in search of a profanity.
dreading or awaiting?
It may be coming as some fences with Pence may have been mended.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pence-trump-maga-conservative/2021/04/07/id/1016644/?ns_mail_uid=6707aadd-412d-4251-b7db-88ebbbdae5ee&ns_mail_job=DM207965_04072021&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502f06tod
Maybe Trump figures you Florida voters will come up with someone worse than Rubio if Rubio loses. You have elected some losers in the past.
how about that guy who almost won the governorship, with the drug-addled hotel pictures….
That is a druggie-pervert that the voters of florida are capable of coming up with
What you seem to forget is those rats still count towards control of the Senate ie having the ball. No matter how duplicitous the Republican Senators are Trump/we still have vast advantages when Republicans are in control. You can figure out the advantages whenever you want to. Soon?
I have 21 voting members in my family who all voted for President Trump, non of us will vote for Rubio again. I have stayed a Republican so that I could primary Rubio and Rutherford . If they are on the ballot I will just vote To re elect Governor Desantis.
Maybe we can look forward to an endorsement for Romney. SD can explain that one to us too.
The more simple answer here is that DeSantis will no doubt back Rubio and it makes no sense for PDJT to be at odds with RD over this endorsement. Pick your fights where there’s large support to do so (e.g. Murkowski).
Great comment, one of the few on this thread.
Seriously Larry! Well done Magabear!
agree – well said and obviously well thought out
Cheers from Canada.
Pick your battles..
+ it keeps a RINO on a critical committee where they can do some……….good?
In one of his speeches, Trump also said we need candidates that have “Spines of Steel.” Rubio has a spine of a wet noodle.
He’s a rino snake and not a MAGA candidate at all.
Who is advising Trump? Sundance over the last 4 years was telling us how bad Rubio was , almost as bad has Haley. Rubio hates Trump! You could feel the hate oozing out of Rubio when Trump gave him the nickname “little Rubio”. The politicans have a big smile to your face, and stab you in the back when you turn around.
Trump picked Pence (who screwed Trump and made the DOJ/FBI go after Gen. Flynn and started the ball rolling). Trump took the word of Pence over Gen. Flynn. Lots of bad picks by Trump , and supporting Rubio is another mistake. Again, who is advising Trump?
Pence backstabbed Trump, Barr backstabbed Trump, Sessions backstabbed Trump and lots of others. I am not alone in wondering who is advising Trump?
With Trump’s business picks he scores 100 percent success rate. With administration political picks he gets from me, a lot lower score. Don’t want to share it.
IS IT FU*K MEADOW ??????
Improving your chess game improves your ability to recognize and appreciate chess genius. Ditto with Realpolitik geniuses like Trump. Sad to read commenters with zero survival instincts or threat awareness focused on omg minutia rather on themselves and what they can do each day to help us avoid the Reign of Terror on our doorstep. Shire Hobbits disapprovingly opining about Gandalf and his horrifying anti Orc Alliance. OMG dwarves?
I love you all, and I am glad we can disagree without canceling each other.
Mark my words: This will split the MAGA movement. Die hard conservatives are very well informed and have been on to RINOs for several years.
RINOs are the reason we put all of our political hopes on Trump.
If he endorses them, he will lose many us.
Yup! It’s all over now…Baby Blue.
Great news. Its time die hards helped the rest of Americans accept we all are going to die hard. May as well split up and get it over with. Read Lord of the Rings. Split up. Don’t ally with enemies in order to survive. Be a true DIE hard conservative. Let the Orcs slaughter us all. Political purity is faaaar more important than survival. Save America? True conservatives say nope. Saving political purity matters more. Die politically pure!
An alliance has something in it that benefits both parties. Rubio is not just another weak republican voice. He is actively for non-MAGA positions. He is anti-Trump. How does that scenario get neutralized?
Once a purist ,always a purist , and lose to what end.
“If he endorses them, he will lose many us.”
Trump is tired of fighting… He was either blackmailed or decided to give up after Nov. 2020 fraud. There is no other explanation why he refused to follow through on EO’s signed by himself and Obama before him.
agreed, something deflated him from executive function, starting with the burn, loot, riots.
Too drunk on emotion poison to be able to comprehend Sundance’s heart felt message. Sober up, when? Reread, this time with comprehension, when? Please realize you’re emotionally impaired. Get something comfy to eat. Sleep it off. Sober up. Please.
POTUS has NOT given up on anything. We all know he won the election and the swamp—-including most of the SC and Pence have conspired to take him out (of the Presidency). He is re-grouping now. You all can complain all you want about his personnel decisions——but remem ber—he came to DC WITHOUT his own team and had to spend 4 years trying to build one.
The signed EO’s he had required an “on board” military—-remember his new MI head was mentored and trained by—-wait for it—–Mike Pence!! They watched the voting machine fiasco in real time on election night. They KNEW it was stolen, with the Chinese involved……………… We see how that worked out. If we are disappointed, imagine how DJT feels. We have lost RUSH and I will not give up on our “President in exile”
I plan to work with my state GOP—they helped hold the line in NC and prevent a POTUS loss here. But I am DONE with
the RNC, and the Senate and Congress money raising groups. (I will support individual DC people POTUS supports)
I will NOT second guess VSG’s choices or be an armchair quarterback to him. He STILL knows more about what is going on than we do.
We and HE are still fighting for the very survival of our Republic. He is working on several on- line modes of communication with us to get his voice out. I will follow his suggestions where I can and not second guess him.
I get daily thoughts from him in my email—like reading his twitter but often in more detail. Hate is not the way, but steely resolve is. We have to stand with him, IMO.
I have no idea why GOD allowed this to happen, or what he has in mind for the USA, but I don’t question HIM either. Stand people ! At local and state levels…..in your schools. Don’t give an inch !
Hogwash
Perhaps an openly mutinous military?
Or perhaps a military threat to deploy a small tactical nuke in a US city? Or a random EMP pulse?
I am ashamed of the utter slothfulness of most of the posters here.
How many of you have been donating to the few brave people still fighting the fight in AZ, WI, GA, PA, and MI, STILL SERVING PRO BONO?
Have you joined the fight, given them anything? Do you want Trump to go out and do all the work SO YOU WON’T HAVE TO?
We Floridians should have been fielding a candidate to replace Rubio, starting at least a year ago.
How much have you decided to run for local, office? Are you earmarking MONEY to support those candidates? Vaca money, college money, anything?
Or are all those things something for “someone else with the magic wand to do”?
Our Framers would spit on most of you.
Rubio? Really? Rubio??
Rubio is owned by a very wealthy individual with influence in Florida. I would encourage people to read about him, it explains most of Marco’s stances. The Trump RINO endorsements have been an issue since 2016. Trump continually endorsed anti-Trump people over pro- Trump / pro- Maga people. Same with administration staffing, the cabinet, and the Pence selection. Pence had actually called Trump a racist. The endorsements were supposed to bring President Trump more political capital within the Republican party and help get the Maga agenda passed. The approach did work to a degree, but most of the time, what was passed was standard Republican policy the Decepticons would have supported anyway. I would say though that the political tone of the party shifted to pro- Maga dramatically. But when we and Trump needed them the most, in 2020, they allowed the election to be stolen. To be fair, i do not recall if Rubio told President Trump to allow the election theft, or if he was more supportive of Stop the Steal.
so, who is it?
If you look up articles about how Marco got his start in politics, there are articles describing him and how he “helped” him from when he was a teen.
i asked you. i don’t want to ‘look up articles’ about rubio.
this feels like a ‘click-bait’ effort to get people here to inadvertently find and read ‘all about the great rubio’.
no thanks, I already know too much about him as an ethically compromised adult who kept the fake russia-russia scam going against PDJT to try to destroy MAGA.
Rubio traveled a path that sometimes happens for the mediocre but ambitious. He was always promoted beyond his capabilities, but go-along people tolerated it.
He is weak, but groomed to be the fair-haired boy…And FL has always been cursed with leftist Cuban “Republicans”…Remember Mel Martinez?
FL is all chopped between resentful blacks, criminal Dims (literally), uneducated country folk, greedy farmers, liberal Cubans, welfare Puerto Ricans. And has no real sense of itself. So we get Rubios.
Its the best we can do, for now. For now.
Trump is pragmatic.
Baby steps, then teenager steps, then WE take over.
But we’re just entering adolescence…. Rubio is half there and is so selfish that he will support whoever butters his empanadas. Basically he can be brought into Main Street politics and likely will not stray too much into Globalism and the Left because he knows los Cubanos y las Cubanas in La Florida will throw him under a un taxi de La Habana in a split momento! Ay, Pendejo, Cabron!
Now, Mittens, those fools in Alaska, Maine…. etc… that’s where we start.
Very fair point.
DJT is weaning himself and his family from “politics”…and I don’t blame him one bit!
I guess many forget the numerous times this man has endorsed the wrong person, such as Paul Ryan, Marc Short, formerly a Koch Bros. employee, Nikki Haley, and many more.
bill barrr was the worst possible, except maybe for sessions, pence or wray.
The DoJ/FBI is absolute critical for the deep state to protect their criminal implants and criminality.
Just keeping ‘acting’ DoJ and FBI heads (and keep firing those who are biased) would be better than the complete corruption of barr and wray.
I am sure you and some of the other geniuses commenting here could have done better , or maybe Hillary could have . Right. It is so easy to judge while sitting on your butt watching Trump trying to protect us while getting stabbed in the back and betrayed by Rinos, and having his wife insulted and his family viciously attacked. I supported Jeff Sessions, he had been a good conservative senator and had a solid record. Trump lost untold millions in his businesses because he was president and taken more abuse than any president except maybe Lincoln.
Trump is driving supporters away. The likelihood of my voting for a Republican is only very slightly more than the chance of my voting for a Democrat, which is 0%. Without having fixed the 2020 election, voting in the future is of no value. Just like voting for a Republican that hates his/her constituents just slightly less than the Democrats do.
Trump can enjoy his club by himself, I won’t be playing along.
Votes do not matter in this day and age. Fraud is fraud.
After Trump serving this country 4 years without taking a salary and all the sacrifices that he and his family have made and the abuse he has taken you should be ashamed of that comment.
Agreed.
Hopefully your survival instincts and situational awareness/threat analysis will kick in soon dear Shire Hobbit. Our orcs are REAL and they intend to humiliate,terrorize, torture and kill you and everyone you love. You choose to tssk about our Gandalf creating an anti Orc alliance that includes, OMG dwarves! Horrors. Wake up, when?
I’ve known Marco and his wife for many years, back when he was Florida Senate President, he was and has been a strong advocate and supporter of our abused and neglect children. He always supported legislation and funding for that group. He still carries strong support here in Florida even after the Intel committee compromise. He’s a politician and the only job a politician has is to get elected. If DeSantis backs him with Trump, I will rest assured they have got a political handle on ole’ Marco and believe me, he’s got a lot of them grab a hold of.
LOL!
he’s ‘for the children’. wow !
We have expectations for senators beyond ‘getting elected’.
not supporting criminality, representing constituents, acting to oppose corruption, at a minimum.
positive actions to enhance the country should be expected. rooting out illegality on the important senate intel committee and fraud against PDJT by that committee. \
As PDJT would probably like to say about rubio,
“Florida is not sending their best…
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Until I see real results from the party formerly known as the GOP I am an Independent. I declared my Independence after witnessing the final betrayal of all I hold sacred as a conservative voter. If Trump does actually succeed in reforming the GOP, then I will give him the credit he deserves and rejoin. Until then the GOP is dead to me.
Another thing this silly endorsement does…it gives Haley “Wiggle Room”.
Haley and wiggle do not belong in the same sentence.
Haley has 0 chance at the presidency.
This includes.
Pence
If Trump succeeds? What an chilling lack of situational awareness/threat assessment/survival instincts underlie that reaction. Wake up to reality, when? Survival is YOUR job. Trumps trying to help you survive but the responsibility is on YOU. Fyi the GOP is made up of precincts. The GOP is open to all registered Republicans willing to show up to meetings and help out. Wake up and help out, when? This isnt a game or TV show. https://theprecinctproject.wordpresscom/
That’s the way to go, always let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If you don’t get your way every time just take your ball and go home. And pout and sulk. Your self righteousness is the most important thing.
I don’t think so, voted for him twice never again.
Bravo. Bring on the Reign of Terror now. America needs to be a Killing Field. Thank goodness more people are accepting their fate and just quiting. Ideological purity is far more important than survival. Isn’t that the profound message in Lord of the Rings? Don’t align with dwarves in order to avoid being slaughtered by merciless Orcs, dummies. Die with your political purity intact. No alliance with dwarves. Ever.
I fear that he still thinks he can win Decepticons like Rubio over.
Fear? Christ commanded us to fear not. Good advice. Take it, when? Afterwards you may be able to accept the word gift Sundance offers you.
This is a pragmatic analysis, but ultimately…nonsense. The suggestion that the failure of Trump to endorse Rubio would “expend political capital” makes no sense. Trump is no longer in office and those through whom he would expend such capital are not in the majority in his party. Besides, what sort of capital is expended through NOT endorsing a candidate? It’s not remotely unusual for Presidents to take a hands-off approach during primary season, more so for former presidents. If Trump’s stewardship of his political capital is an issue, then wouldn’t he prove himself a better custodian by letting the candidates win his endorsement? Could he not then extract concessions from such candidates, growing his capital in the process?
Right now, the one sure criteria for Trump coming out against a Republican candidate appears to be the sin of failing to support him. Or at least I thought, until the Rubio endorsement. It is impossible to view the utter betrayal of the Republican wing of the Uni-party through proper historical perspective, against the context of their recent aiding and abetting of a presidential coup, and speak credibly of “pragmatism” in the endorsement of a Uni-party member. “Read my lips” was from the school of pragmatism. The late John McCain and the pitiable Mitt Romney are from the school of pragmatism. McConnell throwing the Georgia senate races to the radicals was from the school of pragmatism. Pragmatism is killing us.
President Trump was elected precisely because he was perceived as something different. He grew that support and won over the vast majority of the conservative base because he more often than not disdained the pragmatic approach for the sake of doing what was right, and the results were a booming economy, a border brought under control, the largest tax decreases in our lifetime, a massive rollback in federal regulations, energy independence…must I go on? And now we’re told we must support this embrace of a Uni-party stooge, a globalist parasite knee-deep in the rot that is destroying this country, for the sake of “pragmatism”??
There’s a scripture about the selection of the leader of ancient Israel. The prophet Samuel, viewing things “pragmatically,” would have selected Eliab rather than David. The scripture reads:
But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.” – I Samuel 16:7.
I think that’s why the so-called “pragmatic” approach so often leads to disappointment. Because the things valued by such an outlook are often the temporal and the ephemeral. It’s not an approach grounded in eternal principles. It’s the trade of the long term good for the siren allure of the momentary advantage. At its heart, it surrenders substance for the superficial, building its house on the sand.
I have never taken the position of “Trump – right or wrong”. He is just a man and we eschewed kings long ago in this country. On this, the embrace of the cancerous rot that has brought this country to the precipice of national moral and political dissolution, he is simply wrong. And no amount of sophistry will make him right.
Best comment on here in a long time. Couldn’t agree more.
Standing ovation!! ?
he didn’t have to endorse.
PDJT could stay silent as to rubio. not even ”
no comment”
just doesn’t mention him ever.
But PDJT actually endorsed him, in return for likely more backstabbing.
Right on Beau Geste – somehow this is missed by Sundance and so many commenters. DJT received something of value for uttering these words.
BS
Lots of words just to say youre still a Shire Hobbit tssking about Gandolfs decisions rather than focusing on what you can do to help save yourself and us. Too pampered to have survival instincts or situational awareness yet? Wake up before its too late for all of us. Word world is dream world. Nightmare world is real and can only be defeated by awakes. Wake up, when?
You really can be quite the condescending creature at times, can’t you? You can have interesting insights and views, but they get lost in your haranguing and belittling of those that have a different viewpoint.
Do you really imagine that your approach of berating others on this site is helpful?
Yes, Rubio will lead our charge to FREEDOM!!
I support a third party. Sorry Trump, you are hurting your reputation with your supporters.
I emailed Trump expressing my opinion…
https://www.45office.com/info/share-your-thoughts
Republican doctrine. Minimalist Government. An annual budget. Conservative values. Maybe term limits. School choice. Stop funding anti American organizations with taxpayer dollars hidden in Bills. The foreign money boomerang funding political garbage. It’s NOT hard. People want low taxes and less government intrusion. The middle class is being killed off. MAGA
For a long time I agreed with Sundance and many others that we need a new political party, but after years of working on the ground level in my town, county and state as a Republican and a Libertarian, including running for office with both parties, I changed my mind during the tenure of our President Trump.
Looking at where we are in the months after the election was stolen from us, realistically it is simply not possible to set up a new party in all 50 states and successfully run candidates in all of the elections leading up to 2024. Even with our magnificent President Trump we simply do not have the money, support or infrastructure to do so.
I totally agree with Sundance, however about the endorsements. There is a line that our President should never cross or he will lose a lot of us.
If our President loses you because he makes an endorsement—–you are not making sense to me, friend.
Trump realizes that you have to pick your battles. The US was allies with Russia to beat the Nazis, sometimes that is just how it is.
Rubio is a RINO POS. Want to lose your base? Proceed in this direction. I wish Sundance was President Trumps advisor because these kinds of actions really sting.
Making America great again…with the same old losers? A new party with new faces was the best chance for true lasting change. But someone choked. Reform the Republican Party? What a joke. Momentum is being lost on a daily basis while politicians continue their games. This movement needs NEW bold leadership that can inspire real change. To rest all of ones hopes on a single politician is a mistake regardless on who it is.
No. I do not agree with this analysis.
PDJT easily crushed all comers in 2016, including Rubio, and then won FL running away in both generals.
Right now, PDJT is the J.D. Rockefeller of political capital.
Sweaty little Marco could be dispatched today with his pocket change if PDJT wanted.
I agree. I think Sundance is tight on the money. Unlikely any repub is going to beat Rubio. Rubio is a weathervane and goes whichever way the political winds are blowing.
Rubio will not be a viable 2024 contender if Trump or DeSantis runs. Anyone thinking VSGDJT does not have a strategy doesn’t understand VSGDJT. Trump has the numbers. You either follow or get left behind. I don’t support Rubio but want to see a repub in that seat.
It is not like you can kill the party and expect to overtake it. It requires strategic genius and time. That’s Trump. I trust Trump unless he supports a beatable RINO or Haley. My prediction, he will not support Haley or his political career will be over. Hell, she may run against him. If he does not run, DeSantis will be his guy.
Oops, tight should be right.
Tough on China is he.
Nearly irrelevant.
The destruction of US society and permanent Admin State neo-marxist control of society will be wrought by legal and illegal 3rd world immigration.
Immigration is all that matters.
They love it when we chase butterflies.
Trump has very clearly and publicly stated his view that a new 3rd party would be stupid. That is where he stands. It’s not just his “preference”.
nominating barr and wray was more stupid, but PDJT did that.
Failing or refusing to pardon Assange was a huge error.
So a lot of comments under this article decry President Trumps endorsement of Rubio as well as aiming heavy criticism at President Trump for all of his personnel picks from within the Swamp. Many of these commenters declare their disapproval of 45 and indicate or imply their intention to look elsewhere for leadership.
I am curious.
Since it is irrefutable that President Trump kept far more of his campaign pledges than any other President in our lifetimes, and that his policies were far more successful (proven by the numbers as of February 2020) in resolving several huge economic problems that existed up to 2016, who exactly do these CTH antiTrumpers believe can be AS or MORE effective in actually pulling America back from the communist totalitarian cultural and economic abyss than President Trump?
With or without Trump I am done with the swamp.
I’m tired of plugging my nose to vote for a RINO so Ds can’t destroy the world.
I held that position way before Trump. I was an active Tea Party member. We tried to oust the RINOs but it’s very hard.
They always convinced people, that, it’s either them or the end of the world. Out of fear people vote for them over and over.
They betray us, humiliate us, stand against us and we vote for them.
I lost hope after years years of being disappointed.
THE ONLY REASON I VOTED FOR MY RINO SENATOR CORNYN IS SO TRUMP COULD HAVE MAJORITY.
Now, I don’t care if Cornyn loses to a D… not my problem. A D for a RINO is an even exchange. Both are Ds. One is disguised the other openly D. Same difference.
A month ago we all agreed to primary out the RINOS and fix the GOP, now we are back to… we have to do the same thing again to change things.
What? Give Rubio 6 more years?
Then find a better candidate for Rubios seat. Not just one who checks off your list of requirements but One who has the support, organization, funding, and wherewithal to ***really*** win.
It’s not completely impossible, but much easier said than done.
throw a dart at the Florida phone book?
Yeahhh, Sure.
If it was that easy why is Trump the only President in my lifetime to meet those qualifications?
because no-one threw a dart at a phonebook to nominate an ordinary honest person?
Excuse me, but that is an astonishingly naive statement.
Having run a US Senate campaign in CA, I can tell you that it is a Herculean task, and moreover today with all the out-of-state money that is flowing in.
Also, never underestimate the ability of RINOs to sabotage a truly great conservative candidate by just staying out of the game, pouting because their squish candidate didn’t win the primary.
Such naivete.
How about Ivanka for Rubio’s seat?Don Jr?
Well…. it’s not who we would prefer (unless you’re in Florida). It’s who would be able to pull away all or the vast majority of votes that have been going to Rubio. At least one commenter here stated that includes not just Hispanic voters there but also a lot of Democrat voters in south Florida.
clean up the vote fraud in SE florida, which would even the odds for a decent candidate who is not “ethically challenged”
It’s Governor DeSantis’ state. Can’t he get the election apparatus cleaned up through his Secretary of State or whoever oversees statewide elections?
He HAS done a great deal of “cleaning.”
He DID clean up a fair part of it by firing and removing both Bucher and Snipes. The replacements are far better, and are actually COMPETENT. We got new non-Dominion machines, but they are still open to manipulation.
FL is schizo when it comes to voting. Lots of illegals, greedy farmers (who love illegals), Puerto Ricans (free stuff), resentful& stupid blacks (think…Gillum, Corinne Brown, Alcee Hastings, Frederica Wilson), liberal Cuban RINOs, uneducated crackers, and NY leftists.
We have kept it in R hands by a slim majority.
Ivanka is worse than Rubio!
Don Jr. would be great!
Unsound logic – I don’t need to find a “better” bucket of sh@t to know I don’t want a bucket of Sh@t.
YES… CORNYN WHAT A GLOBALISTIC,RINO,UNIPARTY BEAUTIE… IT IS PITY VOTE FOR THIS CREATURE….
Please read this Mr Kleen,
“I am curious.
Since it is irrefutable that President Trump kept far more of his campaign pledges than any other President in our lifetimes, and that his policies were far more successful (proven by the numbers as of February 2020) in resolving several huge economic problems that existed up to 2016, who exactly do these CTH antiTrumpers believe can be AS or MORE effective in actually pulling America back from the communist totalitarian cultural and economic abyss than President Trump?”
Thank you, you are 100% correct.
“Within the club Rubio is viewed as a more valuable club asset than Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski.”
Remember how Trump exposed so many in the swamp? He gave them the benefit of the doubt, and then the swamp turned around and knifed him in the back. Many people had their eyes open to how many were in the swamp that had been hiding prior to Trump exposing them.
Rubio is exposed to many who are informed, but there are many more who still think Rubio is a viable Republican.
I’m curious if Trumps intent is the same here. Publicly endorse Rubio, let Rubio’s club friends choose sides, then go down with Rubio when he publicly knifes Trump in the back.
The endorsement also prevents a number of Rubio supporters in Florida who still have their eyes closed from walking away.
I wish I believed that Donald Trump had made the political calculations that Sundance talks about in this article regarding the “Decepticons” and the need to conserve political capital to use against the worst cases, like Murkowski in Alaska.
I don’t believe that. I don’t believe Donald Trump knows who supports his movement and who does not. This was a horrendous problem all throughout Trump’s presidency. He is a poor judge of character and I think he is vulnerable to flattery. From the very beginning, he surrounded himself with enemies, starting with naming Reince Priebus his first chief of staff. Lindsay Graham was always in his inner circle, and always looking to destroy him. Based on the torrent of leaking, a huge proportion of the people that were working close to him were dedicated to destroying his presidency.
Sadly, this isn’t even Trump’s first bad endorsement after leaving office. I am afraid the MAGA movement is going to founder on its leader’s inability to tell friend from foe.
From someone who thinks he so handsome,he posts his own mug shot,really,
“He is a poor judge of character and I think he is vulnerable to flattery.”
powerful and graceful
You are kidding, right?
A lukewarm endorsement is not going to stop anyone intent on primarying Rubio. What if Greg Steube decided he wanted to challenge Rubio?
I like him, but the Cuban Mafia has to have its pound of flesh.
President Trump could have stayed quiet instead of endorsing pos Rubio. No one in politics speaks the truth anymore.
EXACTLY!
I’ve struggled with the question of why Trump did so little to drain the swamp. Why did he put deep state operators like Barr into the drivers seat? Naive? Dumb? Bad advice? I don’t know the answer, but the one possibility that bothers me is that he may be compromised. Years of friendship with Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell (Ghislane has been a friend since the mid 80’s) are a troubling specter hanging over him. It could explain why he never truly went to war with the three letter agencies.
Who sent you,or are trying out for the National Enquirer,
“I don’t know the answer, but the one possibility that bothers me is that he may be compromised. Years of friendship with Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell (Ghislane has been a friend since the mid 80’s) are a troubling specter hanging over him.”
There is only one club now – The Real and Still Your President Trump club. They know it, We know it, and the Satanic Pedocrats know it.Look how many of these “Club” members have made the pilgrimage to Florida.They know who the Boss is. I dont care if PDJT endorses Foam Boy Rubio- he’s just a usefull idiot anyway.And I dont care what other distasteful assholes he endorses. Getting President Trump back in the White House is the Primary Mission- that and fixing these elections.
FIXING 11/03/2020..SOON ASAP ..get him to WH or good bye….
Agree, Rubio fought him every step of the way. Slowly but surely he is showing Rubio the way. We know Rubio is pliable i.e. he became the gang of 8 when first elected…I think he has seen how that was a bad decision…Let Trump be his mentor. We must remember Rubio is very aware of the danger of China which is a plus.
MENTOR AS MS LINDA…PLEASE STOP IT…
I’m not yet seeing why I should back what PDT is doing as a private citizen after he lost the role of POTUS to a bunch of international criminals while having 4 years to focus on fixing the failed election system that nearly all patriots pointed out needed fixing in the first month of his term. In fact, I saw him make some of the worst hires he could possibly make for his cabinet. So unless I am missing the grand plan for saving America, I will just go with a big fat “no” in supporting the loser RINO’s like he is endorsing.
Wake me up when the new political party starts.
If you fail to stand. waiting for a new political party, you will wake up to find no country left !
It would be better to just let some people sleep. I am sick of people like Trade Bait.
Maybe because ELECTIONS BELONG TO THE STATES?!?
I’m astonished at how little people sem to know about the Constitution. And how many would applaud tyrannical behavior if Trump does it, but decry it from others.
Good God. THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT CONTROL ELECTIONS.
SD is wrong. Rubio has little hands and not qualified to lead a banana fry. Trump has no business endorsing a RINO.
SD WAS right before. SD is just trying to rationalize for PDJT.
Endorsement is a negative act. Doing nothing is slightly positive.
So, what did PDJT think he is getting from rubio, ‘in exchange’ for an insincere endorsement? An ‘insincere’ promise of rubio that he can’t be trusted to follow through with?
What would it be?
I agree with Sundance but not very far. I understand “taking one for the team” and the greater good. I did it from 1996–2018 and was continually betrayed. I only agree because trump has earned my trust and he hasn’t done anything yet to betray it yet. He has made mistakes, but no betrayals. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, which includes the possibility that trump believes he can control Rubio just enough to make ousting him cost prohibitive.
I think we are at Rocky 2. After the first fight was a draw, the Republican establishment and DC are like Apollo’s trainer. “We beat that man like no man has ever been beat before…..and the man just kept coming”. He’s all wrong for us”. Here’s hoping Sundance is right and trump will win round 2 by solidifying his control over the party in 2018. And taking back the presidency in 2020. Even if it means allowing a few Controllable RINOs to do it.
I worry that our President is still accepting bad advice from bad people that he’s surrounded himself with.
Rubio will not be re-elected in Florida, Trump endorsement or not.
I may not agree with PDJT’s choice, however, I WILL NOT disparage him over it – – – this time.
He wouldn’t have picked Rubio if he didn’t have a good reason. Perhaps the number of electoral votes in Florida?
I’m glad he is out having fun, I have no problem with him golfing with anyone. He could golf with Comey I wouldn’t care.
As long as he is not endorsing them for public office. But he needs to be careful with these swampees. Don’t trust them.
Lindsey Graham is seen golfing with Donald Trump in West Palm Beach as former president is spotted with Diet Coke AGAIN despite calling for boycott of the firm
The Diet Cokes are not an encouraging sign assuming they’re not a photoshop scam.
If it isn’t another scam, it’s the 1st time I’ve seen 45 shockingly contradict his own directives. Was his grandiose boycott proclaimed only for the lower classes to obey? There are plenty of similar replacements for that Coke swill including just carbonated water and natural lemon-lime or other flavors. O calories but still refreshing.
I wouldn’t ingest fake sugar and other flavorings especially from China’s sycophant company Coca-Cola. Doing it daily is unwise. DeSantis is beginning to look like a better option. Maybe he drinks Coke as well?
Mr Kleen,no hope for you,
“ Exclusive DailyMail.com photos show” PS where is the link????