Wyoming GOP representative Liz Cheney, a Decepticon of the highest tier, appears smugly on Fox News for an interview. As much as the interview itself is insufferable in its disconnect many people need to watch and accept.
Cheney ramps-up the attacks against President Trump and his supporters. Keep in mind that Trump holds more than 85% approval within the party, yet Cheney and the Decepticons just don’t care; they hate anyone who does not facilitate their power demand. They hate you.
They hate us.
Additionally, two-thirds of the republican house conference voted to keep Cheney in her position. There is no way to reconcile the disconnect between what the elected GOP are doing against the will of the majority unless you accept they just don’t care. Trumpet!
Chris Wallace, a gatekeeper for all things swamp, was gleeful to provide Cheney with the opportunity to attack Trump supporters. The interview is telling on many fronts, but how many republicans will finally accept their status? The GOP doesn’t care what you think about them… they are the second wing of the UniParty vulture.
Stop being a battered conservative and start accepting that two-thirds of the republican party do not want you in the room. Remind yourself of this example when the insufferable apologists try to tell you a third party is not needed. The republican party must be destroyed or we will continue the cycle of abuse.
Here’s the full interview:
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Bring on the battle…. The GOPe must be destroyed !
My husband gets e-mail updates from our R Congressman here in NC. He said he voted to keep Cheney because he couldn’t fault her for voting her “conscience”! My husband reminded our “Representative” that Wyoming voted 70% for President Trump — so she should have “represented” her voters — that is her job, not to vote her conscience. He also said he will be watching our representative to make sure he is representing his constituents. I love my husband!!
Liz Cheney does not have a conscience.
Sundance has given us more information than any other source anywhere. Sundance was a year or more ahead of anyone else. Sundance has been 100% accurate. If Sundance says start a third party, Start a third party.
Massive investigations?? They let the ANTIFA thug go.
But no investigation of the biggest story in a generation: election fraud, voter fraud, and foreign intervention!
We simply cannot afford to support the Republican party. It’s over and beyond reasonable to think that it can be “taken over”. 75 million of us just got dryhumped by 4/5 of the elected (R)s who hate you and me–just like Liz C.
(R) is dead to us. Wake up.
A new “party” already exists. It just needs a name, which ain’t Republican.
I’ve never liked the two party system that conspires to eliminate competition to stay in power. I like it less now. The only way it will change is if there is a third party of such massive proportions that the influence of the Dems and the GOPe is devalued. The MAGA base needs to rise up into a new political force. Without its base, the GOPe becomes inconsequential. In the transition I suspect things get worse before they get better with more Dem election wins in the mid-terms. But I think a couple years of living under the left’s policies administered by the Puppet President will cause many to turn against those who inflicted higher prices on everything under the green economy, the new green jobs going to China instead of the US, and more government control over every aspect of their lives. Then comes the massive third party of all those fed up with the status quo.
Please explain the mechanics of how we can do this.
Please explain how we can organize and get MAGA candidates on the ballots of all 50 states before 2022.
Time for a MAGA Party.
Every email poll from the GOP I answer the same, you abandoned our President Trump and you abandoned the American people. I will never again support the GOP unless all the never-Trump GOPe are removed from the party. I am ready for a MAGA party or a Patriot party or a Tea party. GOPe need not apply or be heard from again.
Then you also support giving exclusive power over both the US Govt and most/all state govts to a very dangerous leftist/fascist/marxist Dem party for likely the next decade, right?
That will certainly be the OBVIOUS result of splitting the R party. We Rs will simply not have the … numbers to win control of the Fed Govt and we WILL lose control over all/most state govts too for the same reason.
Those posting here promoting a 3rd party to compete against the existing R party… for many years… never seem to have any concern about the result of doing this… which IS to give… very obviously… exclusive control over the entire US and state legislatures to a very radical leftist Dem party that seeks to fundamentally change America into a totalitarian state
Robert Barnes And Baris (pollster) have a great argument for a third party.
If PDT is convicted there will BE A THIRD PARTY. 1:00.19 Approx.
Yes, likely very true. Let’s just wait to hear what Trump has to say about whether the smart/best way forward is to take control of the/our 150 year old R party OR start a new 3rd party.
I really don’t care which it is. I just want to SAVE the Republic the fastest way possible.
Fast? It took almost 100 years to get here. Calvin Coolidge tried to reverse the damage the progressives did to the US prior to the 20’s. Progressive Republican Hoover stabbed all conservatives in the back.
This is nothing new. We just seem to never learn from the mistakes. This is not going to be fixed “fast”.
“This is no small thing, to restore a republic after it has fallen into corruption”.
~ Mike Vanderboegh
Well… true, this is no small task… unless we can truly expose the severe corruption that exists in the fed Govt to the American people… including Dems.
I have Dem family and “friends.” They are not marxists/totalitarians. They are brainwashed by a very powerful media and other societal institutions.
We kinda need movie screens, outside, everywhere… that run the evidence of massive election fraud… and all the other criminally we have evidence of involving DOJ, FBI, CIA, Congress.
Americans– the vast majority– WANT to be free. We need to convince them what we have LEARNED over these past years– that we are not really free, that the “Rule of Law” does not really exist… that the People DO NOT really elect our govt. They re-select themselves.
We must expose THE DEM PARTY as the fascist/marxist party it IS… and we must punish and remove from office all traitor RINOS… which we can and WILL do…. as soon as we restore election integrity… which, obviously, must be priority #1.
The uniparty stole the 2020 presidential election in less than a year.
Hopefully we can “steal” it back in the next 6 months. We will see. The TRUTH is on our side. The Constitution is on our side. The “Rule of Law” is on our side. They just need to be ENFORCED.
I agree with you.
Geez man, they have it anyway. Read yesterday that 15 percent of Dems would jump to Trump party along with 65-70 percent of Pubs. Not a decade…it would be a party to be dealt with within a couple cycles. I know you know the definition of insanity.
Read yesterday? A poll? I do know that Dems want us to split the R party by creating a 3rd party… b/c that will give them controlling power over the country. Easy to see that too.
However, what you suggest MAY also be … possible. Perhaps, w/a 3rd party, we can steal away many Dems to our party. Its quite a gamble though.
The reason I say a decade and it IS at least 6 years– the term of a US Senator– is because Rs in Congress will continue to exist in Congress and state legislatures for a minimum of 6 years. We will split the R party thus depleting our ability to win in the general election, right?
In addition, this current leftist/dem regime will LABEL a new Trump MAGA/america 1st party as the party of insurrectionists, white supremacists, etc., as they are doing now.
I do not hate the R party more than I love America. I do not care about mere revenge against the Rs even though they DO deserve it. I just want to do the thing that gives us the greatest chance of saving the Republic which is already in eminent danger.
a new party will be the 2nd party. Today we have the uniparty – 2 sides of the same coin.
RIGHT ON. PREACH IT.
You want continuation of the Uniparty and the likes of war mongering Liz Cheney and the cabal of other filthy corrupt Republican politicians who have no use for you? Then I do not understand why you voted for President Trump and are a MAGA supporter.
No, Senaca… wants to fire Liz Chaney, as I do, in 2022. Wyoming has already censured her. IMO, she is already … done and knows it … and is positioning herself for a lucrative private sector job.
Chaney is irrelevant now. She is an EXAMPLE of the type of Rep/senator we need to replace. Many are revealing themselves too. Others might be salvageable.
The goal should be to put together a MAGA R party, IMO.
But IF Trump says that is hopeless and we must start a 3rd Party, okay. I will follow him b/c I KNOW that Trump’s primary goal is to SAVE the Republic as fast as possible.
…she got to get type of blm/pantifa treatment to her face.. everywhere she go….traitor……
I don’t know where you got that idea. I absolutely support our President Trump 100% and I despise the GOP as much or more than anyone because of my many years of involvement.
Liz Cheney and her ilk deserve to be cast out of the GOP and never be allowed to return or hold any position whatsoever. She should be made to return any and all donations that she has in her bank account. She is an evil and despicable traitor to her party and her country.
If you have read any of my other comments regarding a third party, including my responses today, you will see this link I’m including to the FEC website that explains how you go about starting a new party in the US.
The electoral process is ongoing. There are two congressional seats up for grabs in Louisiana on March 22. We need those seats!
Instead of arguing this meaningless and counterproductive BS about an imaginary third party that is never going to happen, we should be working to get two solid MAGA candidates elected in Louisiana.
I realize that is not as “sexy” as all this talk, but believe me, the Dems are all working their asses off to get those seats.
This is why conservatives are not successful. We are too easily distracted.
March 20th with the runoff on March 24th. I had totally forgotten about this.
Fellow Treepers in CD-2 and CD-5 may want to stretch their wings and get certified by their candidates or their parties and serve as poll watchers. CD-2 is a New Orleans congressional district. They probably need poll watchers.
Sherri- that is exactly right. I have not idea about these candidates or the race but I understand that the Repubs could potentially get two new seats. Is that correct?
The Congressman from CD-5 who died was a Republican who had been newly elected to that seat and never had the chance to serve.
He was young, healthy and died of a complication related to an invasive procedure undertaken in his treatment for COVID. It sounded like he might have thrown a clot.
The other seat indeed was occupied by a Dimocrat who is moving into the Biden administration… New Orleans…Much work to be done. Let’s see how many people jump at the chance to prove their worth and willingness to learn grassroots politics.
Less that an hour ago, the NY Post put up an article announcing that Republican congressman Jim Wright of Texas (CD-6) has died. COVID again. He had cancer but was hospitalized for 2 weeks with COVID.
Sherri- thanks very much for your posts and the info. I had seen that Post article and thought that’s another good seat that we could possibly take.
The biggest problem that we have is exactly the debate that you see going on in these pages between our fellow conservatives.
Everybody has an opinion but very few know the facts about how difficult to nearly impossible it is to start a new party in the USA let alone a successful one that actually gets people elected.
Instead of all this carrying on about the magical new party, people need to dig and WORK TO GET MAGA PEOPLE ELECTED TO THESE SPOTS ASAP.
THIS IS LOW HANGING FRUIT PEOPLE. INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, WORK TO FILL THESE SEATS WITH MAGA PEOPLE!!
Time is running out.
Could not agree with you more.
All politics are local, yet the looniest and least-qualified officeholders are to be found on the local level.
Lots of noise, too little elbow grease.
What’s the difference between today’s republicat and the demoncat party? Why would any republican think they are voting for republican values with today’s republican party? Liz Cheney represents republican values????? Open borders, endless wars where we always lose trillions while our country is falling a part? Endless stream of young soldiers coming home in body bags or missing limbs? Illegals getting better benefits than our veterans or citizens? An endless stream of illegals, gangs, drugs, tent cities with mounds of garbage, drug needles, and human waste on our streets? Those are today’s Unipary values. The dumbed down sheeple had better wake up and realize both parties are aligned against us and we are on a train headed for a brick wall at 100 MPH!
The difference… is tax cuts, 2nd amendment protections.. and other things too.
The Rs and Ds do at least battle each other, to some degree, for power. The Rs are wimps and many but not all are compromised… either because of their shameful greed or blackmail.
The Ds are more dangerous, IMO, b/c they are ideologically marxists/fascists and globalists and THEY are the ones that seek, and SAY they intend, to shred the Constitution (COTUS) and they will do it if we give them the power to do it unconstrained.
There are a number of Rs– 1/3+ maybe– who are essentially MAGA. We want to get them re-elected and give them more support in Congress and the states to fight against the R establishment…. but also to fight against the DEMS too.
We cannot rip the R party apart and leave the dangerous Dem party in tact. We MUST take down the DEM/fascist party too. Must.
TBH, sometimes I worry about so many commenters who do not give a thought to the power this fascist/Dem party has right now. THEY are the ones DIRECTLY attacking our freedom and Constitutional rights. They are. The Rs are just the LOSERS letting them do it, to wimpy or personally corrupt to stand up FOR their own voters, their own party’s president and for America. I al VERY ashamed and angry with the Rs and I want to primary every loser one of them.
So, you’re here to circle back for keeping the Repubs and transforming them into our version of Cinderella. The Fairy godmother took the last train to the coast. She was arrested for indecent exposure after an an illegal alien mugged her, stole her wand, crown and party dress. She was sent to a nursing home to convalesce with the China virus patients.She hasn’t called and she hasn’t written. End of story.
Realizing that no matter what we do, it’s a risk. I think I’ll listen to Sundance—-he hasn’t led us astray yet.
Maybe wait to hear what President Trump says
If PDT says he wants to take control of the R party and not start a 3rd party, are you willing to throw… President Trump under the bus?
Yes I will. Because even though I abhor the thought, he failed to drain the swamp and the swamp now not only has coalesced its power. It has also declared open war on those of us who recognized and believed in Trump’s goals and strategies. As much I admire, respect and support what he did to pursue the saving of the republic for the past 4 years, ultimately his methods did not succeed. One of those methods was listening to the wolves-in-sheep-clothing GOPers. He can still be the leader of the movement he created, but not within the confines of the backstabbing, traitorous republican party because that party has renounced him, his supporters and the movement.
Billionaire oligarchs and corporate CEOs control the Uniparty. The dying elephants and ascendant jackasses merely compete for employment. The different labels, R and D, merely lend the regime a veneer of legitimacy. Once employed these Rs and Ds enforce Uniparty dictates, just as you would enforce the policies of your employer.
You are correct about the Rs being wimps, especially pertaining to domestic matters.
When all was said and done, Josh Hawley stood alone in the Senate. The majority of House Republicans – greater than 2/3 – opposed MAGA. “Genuine” MAGA Republicans in the House – less than 1/3 – will change their affiliation to the new party or deservedly go down with the Republican Party.
If President Trump disagrees with you… and decides the best way to save the Republic is to take control of the Republican party… as the beloved Republican President and undisputed head of the R party…. will you throw PDJT under the bus? If so, why? If not, will you follow his lead to retake the R party?
No.
Fact: the Uniparty defeated former-PDJT.
Fact: former President Trump failed to “retake” the Republican wing of the Uniparty while in office.
Rationally recognizing this failure is not “throwing PDJT under the bus.”
The Republican Party must be destroyed.
The Liz Cheney types go to power. Rep, Dem or 3rd party they will go there. You cannot run away from them by creating a 3rd party as they will migrate to the new party if it is successful. You have to fight these types at the primary level somewhere. Why not at Rep primary? Fight Rinos at Rep primary first, fight Dem at general election second.
I appreciate that we’re on same team with the same goals Mike, but “The Party” literally decides who runs, who gets endorsements, who gets friendly free press, who gets party donor funds, etc. Think anyone is ever going to win a primary against McConnell, Thune, Cornyn ++++? The corrupted are entrenched and the controls the primaries, too. Some people are flippantly saying “burn it down” because they’re frustrated. I don’t believe that Sundance’s message is flippant and I know my own support for “burn it down” isn’t flippant. I have a sincere belief that the little that would be worth saving of the R party would not be worth the trouble it would take to try to wrest it away.
Many who voted for President Trump were not registered Republicans, and in many states cannot vote in primaries. Many, like myself, left the D party, voted for President Trump and then registered as R to vote for him in the primary in 2020. Then many, like myself, left the R party after seeing how they treated President Trump after the 6th. I personally have no interest in going back to either wing of the uniparty, even though it means I cannot vote in the primaries in my state. All this is to say that I think if you try to work within the R party through primaries, it will be a smaller group of people. If a new party gets started, I will not only register but would gladly volunteer in any way I could. I’m sure I’m not alone. A new party will attract Trump supporting R’s, but also independents. As a former D myself, I know it would also attract disgruntled grassroots D’s.
You just said you thought George H W Bush was better than Clinton which means you are delusional. The beginning of endless sand trap wars, opening the border, giving country away to China and every other foreign power who hates us… that’s what you are for?
You voted for the Republicans. We all did. THEY stole our votes and handed them to the Left (and those showing you to see the work of Richard Baris are who you need to listen to).
So YOU don’t hate the people that gave YOUR vote to the Marxists?
And you want US to vote for Marxists again, by way of wasting time giving it to them for them to take their cut (bribes) to do that?
What in the h?
Even Rush Limbaugh’s dying letter praised Trump and thanked him, then ended with blaming RINOs for “raping” America “to line their pockets.”
Most sElected Repubs are Quislings same as the Vichy French for the democRats.
There is ONE NWO Uni-party. Deal with that FACT when telling me some NWO Uniparty is better than other NWO Uniparty.
Keep thinking that the Fraudulent sElections will ever allow Liberty to the peasants.
No, I did not say Bush 41 was better than Clinton, and he was not better.
The Bushes, Clintons, Obamas and Bidens are the same, shockingly, shamefully… and sadly.
The 4 potuses prior to Trump failed to protect America by deliberately empowering Communist China. None did anything to stop what they knew China was doing to America and American industry and workers.
No, I want us to TAKE control of the existing 150 year old party that has been my party for 30 years. With Trump at the helm, I believe we can.
Failure by the Tea Party to do so does not prove it cannot be done.
The left DID take control of the Dem party, successfully, and expelled ALL moderate “blue dog” dems from their party.
Why can’t we do the same thing?
Yes, Rush blamed the RINOs– not all Rs– for raping America to line their own greedy pockets… so WE EXPEL THE RINOS from our party. To say we CANNOT do that is to underestimate OUR power in the party. Of course, we can… certainly w/Trump at the helm.
Kare- EXCELLENT comments.
Kare, there isn’t necessarily only 2 choices. A new party in encumbered by the maneuverings of globalists warmongers can caucus with the Republicans, if in a particular instance, both parties want to cooperate, they can. Socialist Bernie Sanders has caucused with the Dems for years without being a Dem. But trying to advance critical and urgent causes while also fighting against “the system” in the R party is a recipe for failure. One method of changing the party is to put them in a position where their candidates cannot win without the votes of the 3rd party. At that point, they will be forced to show their true colors and side with the leftists or conservatives. No more faking conservatism.
I don’t think you understand what is going on. Briefly:
An Oligarchy controls the Uniparty. The Rs and Ds are “wings” of the Uniparty – one bird, two wings. Rs and Ds are “employees,” hired to administer the Oligarchy’s policies. The labels, Republican and Democrat, provide a veneer of civil/democatic legitimacy to what is, in fact, rule by Oligarchy. The labels are intended to trick you into believing that this is a war between Republicans and Democrats. The reality is this is a war waged by the Oligarchy on you.
The Oligarchy and its Uniparty advance leftist domestic interests against the traditional American demographic, and neoconservative imperialist interests on the international front. The Ds specialize in advancing domestic goals, the neoconned Rs specialize in advancing international imperialist objectives.
There is no “taking back” the GOP from the billionaire Oligarchs that control the Uniparty. We can, however, remove the GOP anchor around our necks by delegitimizing it as an institution and organizing effective ground-based local, state, and regional opposition to the regime.
Effective ground-based opposition to the regime provides us with options denied us by the Uniparty and its Oligarch controllers.
I’m all for starting a new party that will actually represent the interests of ‘We the People’ rather than Globalist Marxist ‘elites’ that believe only they know ‘what is good for the rest of us’.
But are we willing to concede almost total control to the ‘elite’ cabal for some time into the future? I believe that if funded only by Citizens and with passage of strict voter identification rules an ‘American Patriot’ party can attract some significant portion of republican voters and may be able to attract some in center including some centrist democrats. This will take time to ‘build’. It may be possible to make some significant advances at the local and state levels over the next 2 to 4 years. There may even be some very limited successes at the national level over that period of time.
However with the time needed to build a coalition and with a ‘split’ republican party I think that it will be at least 2028 before a new ‘people’s party’ will be able to truly contend against leftists in major national Congressional and Presidential efforts. In order to even hope for this the new party must do two things. First, they must be funded by the membership without any corporate or organizational funding that will attempt to ‘direct’ party ideology and efforts. Second, they must make significant gains in ensuring electoral integrity including eliminating machine vulnerabilities and enforced and verifiable voter identification validation.
There already is a MAGA party. It just hasn’t been made ‘official’ yet.
I understand your rationale, Kare, but without election security that can, and will, guarantee free and fair elections for qualified voters – with accurate count results – we Rs won’t win enough seats to make any difference regardless.
Once in Office, the Senate Rs always line up immediately to throw in the towel, and put their hands out to the financial forces cheerleading from the sidelines – as those unelected influencers draft all the “legislation” for our elected officials “to advance and pass”, with content sight unseen.
Republicans in the U.S. Senate: PROMISES MADE; PROMISES BURNED.
The Rs who hold seats in the U.S. Senate, with only one or two possible exceptions (Hawley, and perhaps Paul), along with the Rs in the other Chamber who align themselves with the House of Boehner-Ryan-McCarthy have brought the house of cards down upon their own heads.
We did not create this situation, they did. Did they believe that this Decepticon methodology could work for them forever – without a peep of protest from us, their army of voters and small donors? Maybe. But prior to 2015, they did not envision the rise of a genuine Leader who would dare to enter their Temple and wreak havoc on their carefully disguised system of money-changing fraud against the American people.
The position you advance that Rs will never win anything again is the straw man argument. While we, the general electorate, were asleep at the wheel the power(s) behind the front line Ds seized control of the electoral mechanism.
They were able to accomplish this with, and because of, front line Republicans who allowed this, supported this, and financially benefitted from this long simmering deal done in the dark – as they laughed about our losses and their gains.
They do not intend to give back the power to elect our own leaders, or choose our own Party candidates, to the voters: either voluntarily or involuntarily. Our choices have been narrowed with neither our advice nor our consent.
This is not the time to look the other way and hope that we can mend the shattered bones of the skeletal remains. We did not kill the victim: they did.
The “system” of Democrats vs. Republicans has arkancided itself.
The two factions in this country are the majority that thinks the United States is mainly free-market capitalist country where Americans live and work and the minority that thinks the United States is evil and needs to be destroyed through mass immigration and economic ruin and run by technocrats living behind fences.
The post-Civil War status quo is destroyed. We just need to accept that, help people understand it, and blow up the mix.
There are a lot of MAGA Democrats.
Kare- here are the requirements to start a new party. I hope that everyone here reads them and understands what exactly is involved.
https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-political-party/
An Oligarchy controls this country. Astute observers realize the Republic has been gone for decades. Throughout this period GOP behavior enabled and culminated in the Uniparty’s theft of the 2020 election. This brazen theft has conclusively demonstrated, beyond a shadow of doubt, that “The Republic” is a corpse.
And now they brag about the theft:
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Do you believe that all is lost? Do you really want to destroy the R party and MAKE the Dem party the exclusive legal controller of the entire nation for at least 6 years? Maybe you do.
I have said, I will wait to hear from PDJT and follow his decision re: taking control of the R party v. Starting a new party.
My greatest concern is not political parties but protecting the American people and preserving our rights in the Constitution. Political parties are merely a tool.
Do you want to RISK giving control of all/most state legislatures to the Dems too? If so, HOW will we restore authentic elections?
What is your primary concern? Seriously.
The dem party has for all intents and purposes, already been the exclusive legal controller already for the last 12 years.
The republicans in congress have carried out exactly that agenda, with some tokenism thrown in to confuse those who would be confused by it. ZERO recess appointments for example.
The nuclear option is using federal elections to destroy the gop/republican party, while voting conservative at local and state levels to combat the democrats.
There is no saving the national republican party/gop.
I think Trump will do what is right.
The evil is on both sides.
The Cheneys align with evil.
Pence we now know is evil.
I would go 3rd party today, but I want to destroy the evil that is killing our nation. That comes 1st. We are in a dangerous situation. Rumors are everywhere. I don’t look at mainstream news at all. I don’t communicate with dissenting friends or family AT ALL. Thank you to Sundance & other patriots around the world. We are in a world war.
Kare- you are so right.
Once again conservatives are shooting themselves in the foot with this distraction. None of the people who are advocating for this third party have any idea what’s involved, at least none of the comments that I’ve read.
Meanwhile, there are 2 congressional seats up for grabs in Louisiana on March 22nd. TWO SEATS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN BY REPUBLICANS. That is just a few weeks away. WHY AREN’T PEOPLE WORKING TO GET THOSE TWO SEATS??
where is the GOP?
Hiding behind the loud mouth Ds, as usual.
The GOP is working to split the vote so that the DemoCommieFascists can win in order to blame President Trump
Conservatives have gotten to a place where none of our values are supported in DC by being controlled by the fear that “the Left will take over if we don’t keep voting for the lesser of two evils forever”. That train has left the station. The Left (both Ds and most Rs) have taken over. When your elected officials show you who they are, believe them.
Good question!
That is a very good question. Is it because the Republicat party has made a Faustian deal with the demoncat devils?
This is no distraction. The majority of Conservatives are done with the Republican Party and want a major change. They are fed up. President Trump removed their smarmy mask of contempt for us.
People are aware of what is involved with a third party. Why are you advocating continual abuse by the current politicians. That is a defeatist attitude. Change takes courage. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Once again, I refer you to the FEC requirements for setting up a new political party in the USA. Then tell me how we can accomplish this in time for the 2022 elections which are already in play.
Seneca the Elder it is with heavy heart I disagree with you as I have found IMO you to be one of the most reasonable people here but …..
There are only republicrats! With the odd bomb thrower here and there on the right. Here in small town/county Ohio the “republican” party has never been on board even when the electorate clearly support DJT. The “security state” can blackmail anyone it sees as inimical to it’s interests.
If there had been an honest election POTUS Trump (and down ticket) would have won in the biggest landslide of all time. It matters not who votes but who counts the vote.
I’m not smart enough to know IF there is any answer at all but I’m damned sure what we are doing is not it!
Mycroft- thanks very much for your kind words and comments.
Please know as I have stated numerous times in this discussion, that I am second to no one in my hatred and contempt for the Republican party that is controlled by human scum like Chi Com Mcconnell, etc.
HOwever, I am also a realist and I know from reading and studying the FEC requirements for starting a new party, that it is a goal too far. We will never be able to accomplish it in time for the next elections.
We don’t have time to waste arguing amongst ourselves. Our best shot is to follow President Trump’s lead and go after the enemy Repubs.
The longest journey begins with a single step.
Seneca, the point being made here by so many posters is “say we all make it a priority to win those 2 seats, we win them and then we can never have ANY confidence that those to congresspeople will advocate or vote for the causes dear to conservatives? That’s the heart of the problem. Even well intentioned “conservatives” get to DC and get corrupted or get mowed over by entrenched globalist warmongers. I have known and campaigned for many well-intentioned “conservatives”. We only have a Conservative party in this country if we have conservative leadership. We don’t get a party with conservative leadership by sending corrupt generals two more green horned soldiers.
I am not sure what your point is. Should be just elect Commie Dems and give up?
Republicans Control All Branches of the Government, and Nothing Changes
October 8, 2018
The problem is that the brand is destroyed. I doubt many people know about those two races, and that even fewer care about the outcome because the outcome does not matter.
There is no recovering the brand. The GOP is about as liked as “New Coke” and Bernie Madoff Investments at this point.
The thing people have figured out is what they have long suspected: that elections are illegitimate, that those illegitimate elections feed an illegitimate Government and Federal Bureaucracy that is irredeemably corrupt and that any attempt to get the Federal Bureaucracy under control will result in absolutely no change or prosecutions of Federal bureaucrats, but WILL result in the the destruction of any private citizen who attempts to bring about some accountability. And that this will be accomplished by destroying that person’s ability to communicate/defend himself, and then the Feds will literally fabricate crimes to destroy the person utterly.
A “third party” as it is often described is not about winning Federal elections – because those elections have been proven to be both illegitimate (rigged) and irrelevant (elections change nothing unless the Bureaucracy allows it). The “third party” is about abandoning that system in order to collapse it.
The system cannot sustain itself in the face of 100M people deciding to ignore it and essentially set up their own government-in-exile within the country’s borders.
It’s proven that we cannot coexist with them. Burn it to the ground!
You mean like what just happened? The dems infiltrated the Republicans many years ago that’s what we need to do run as democrats deceive the voters and take over it worked for them
Nice idea, but here’s a true story. A lifelong friend and Democrat has decided to run for county office in the Midwest. Her father is Democrat royalty in her state. The Party informed her that they would make sure she lost in the primary if she ran for the office she wanted because the incumbent is a black woman. They informed her she’d get no help from the party if she ran against any black candidate. She found a race vs. a white male, which the Party agreed they would support her, however, she isn’t allowed to use the maiden name she had used her whole career-she has to run as a first name or use her husband’s name. Yes, “progressives” are forcing a female who never took her husband’s name to take it now because her real name is too …Irish.
Do you really think they’re going to let fake white progressives run, even at the local level? Then what, we have to screw up local issues voting “progressive”. Then fake our way through state politics so we can get to Congress in 10 years and say “surprise, I’m a conservative”? Maybe there could be some success converting moderates who are uncomfortable with the sudden shift to the left, but I think a plan to infiltrate by faking progressivism is a non-starter. Maybe if, as President Joe said, you’re a “clean black” you might pull that off.
have you missed what happened in 2020? it IS a totalitarian state already
No, you are giving them that power. WE gave the Senate, House AND presidency to the Republicans. THEY colluded with the Dems to steal the election. People who we voted for the Senate like John James accepted obvious fake losses for their bribes. They worked with the Dems to install Bribed-en. And on and on.
WE VOTED THEM INTO POWER EXCLUSIVELY AFTER OBAMA, IT’S BEEN A SEA OF RED. AND WHAT DID KUNG PAO KEMP OF GA DO? WHAT DID THE LEGISLATORS WHO HAD THE POWER TO STOP THE STEAL DO? WHAT DID THE LT GOVERNORS AND SEC OF STATES DO?
WHAT DID THE MCCONNEL JUDGES DO?
WHERE YA BEEN?
WE JUST TRIED THAT AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DID TO US. HANDED IT TO THE MARXISTS ANYWAY.
AND HOW YA GONNA VOTE? They allow ballot stuffers to do that for you.
YOU can vote for corrupt traitors and BE a traitor to your kids and grand kids alone. Don’t say nobody told you what was happening. They are corrupt, you have seen it, you have been informed about it, and YOU are choosing to work with Benedict Traitors.
Falana NAILS it. That was awesome.
The Republican Party decepticons have already given control to the “very dangerous” leftist / fascist / Marxist Dem party!!! What part of that don’t you understand? They already have that exclusive power you speak of. This is the reality of today and any further support of those who sold us out only perpetuates what is now.
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and over again and somehow expecting a different outcome each time. Support of this majority RINO’s, who have clearly demonstrated that they do not care what you think, will only produce the same result.
As opposed to what we have right now??? Newsflash; the Left already has a death grip on the throat of this nation. And the GOP has been in bed with the Left (or globalists, same difference) for a very long time. The outright theft of the 2020 election, has demolished any trust in future free and fair elections, a coup made possible ONLY with the aid of a self-interested GOP.
We have been holding our noses and pulling the lever for horrible candidates for decades (with the exception of Reagan and Trump “speed bumps”) and except for their posturing and Conservative Kabuki theater, there is nothing to show for electing them. Now they’ve finally shown us who they really are. They care nothing for this nation and less than that for the voters. They have no interest in actually governing. They are perfectly happy to be the minority party, as they get 90% of the perks and none of the responsibility.
So, to answer your question, YES, split the vote and give the GOP a real reason to fear being utterly destroyed, a fate they richly deserve. And the third party will grow over time, because the Jackass Party and the GOP have failed everyone. A third party, just like the MAGA movement, will draw its constituency from everywhere.
Then I guess you better get busy saving the Republican Party. Because they are hell bent on screwing Conservatives and Trump supporters.
I have heard your exact same arguments for over 40 years. I was suckered with all the soft lies of appeasement. You better find a different schtick because the 80’s called and they want Bush’s lips back.
You can’t force us to vote the way you want, so maybe the Republican party better fix itself and put up candidates that MAGA people will vote for.
Dick Cheney, before he dicks you.
I completely disagree. The Republican Party is beyond salvage. Might I also remind you that the US has been largely under Democrat control since Johnson.
“since Johnson”.
Andrew or Lyndon? 😀
The Republican party doesn’t know what to do with power when it has it. 75 Million Trump supporters will make the R-words the irrelevant party they deserve to be.
Kate508
It seems you are ignoring the fact that this has been accomplished.
It’s over and we must pull ourselves out of the well worn trench.
Today our Representative’s are giving legitimacy to an unconstitutional action.
I believe what Sundance is saying is that we ALREADY gave all power over to fascists and the only way to get power again is to start a new party in corrupted by fascists. The illusion that conservatives have people in DC representing us is keeping us from actually sending representatives who represent. That illusion was intentionally created keep the people focused on “we’ll get ‘em in 4 years” while the WHOLE political establishment (Ds and Rs) maneuvered our laws and culture to the place where 1. Males can “identify” as females and dominate high school and college sports and 2. Anyone who denies their “right” to do that is guilty of “hate speech”, to offer just one example. Republicans, the party you want to prop up, did that. It’s a hard pill to swallow, Kare, but we are not choosing to leave the GOP. The party left us when we voted for an unsanctioned outsider, making us a people without a party.
Uncorrupted
Run a MAGA party at the state and local levels. (Yes, that means some of YOU reading this MUST run for office–county cmsr, school board, city council, state legislature).
Build MAGA critical mass at these levels to protect your state from DC overreach. (Most of what the Fed govt does in the states is unconstitutional. In addition, state govts lost their representation and say at the table at the federal level when US senators were elected by popular vote instead of by the state legislatures.) Combine this sad state of affairs with squish state Republicans AND a strangling reliance on federal money, and we now have a “all roads lead to DC” problem.
Take back your states with MAGA candidates (state legislatures decide election laws, afterall–things like paper ballots or machine, mail in ballots or not, etc.).
DC will be lost to conservatives for a while, but if we focus on electing MAGA candidates at the state level who tell the feds to shove it, their policies are unconstitutional in the state of X, AND get states their states weened off of fed money (a very tough sell), we will take back our country from the ground up.
2022 should be the year we focus on taking back the states, IMHO. Let the Republicans at the federal level flail and fail at the polls in 2022. The RINO problem largely taken care of then. After the RINO massacre at the polls (yes, and a blue wave at the federal level) we turn our sights to growing MAGA outward and UPWARD for 2024.
Must be Churcillian in our strategy: take care of the most immediate threat (for him it was Nazi Germany, for us, it’s RINOs). That meant allying with the second greatest enemy, Stalinist Russia. Once Nazi Germany defeated, the West pivoted to containing/destroying Communism. The Founders did the same thing: accept slavery for the time being so as to attain the vitally urgent: unanimity and unity among the 13 colonies to defeat Britain, THEN turn toward building a country that eventually would, among other things, abolish slavery.
Decide on who is the greatest IMMEDIATE threat to MAGA. IMO, that’s the RINOs. Don’t forget: we had a red wave at the state and local levels across the country in 2020, despite what was lost in DC. We need to build on this.
“Stop being a battered conservative and start accepting that two-thirds of the republican party do not want you in the room. Remind yourself of this example when the insufferable apologists try to tell you a third party is not needed”
There is no future electing Republicans. These are different times than in the past. People are pissed!
What makes you think the Democrat Party won’t split after two years of Biden and the rest of the creeps? They are not loved and they certainly aren’t endearing themselves to anyone but their paymasters and the crazy or mislead 20% that will always vote Democrat no matter who it is the candidate.
Biden did not win, they had to steel this last election and the congressional seats to gain the majority. Fix the election fraud and all things will come right.
I say all 80+million MAGA voters register in the American Constitution Party and make their platform, with some modifications, full MAGA/KAG!
Send the remaining Democrat and Republican rumps to minority status and cocktail parties with George Will.
[…] Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. There is nothing the political establishment will not do, and no lie they will not tell, to hold on to their prestige and power at your expense.
The Washington establishment, and the financial and media corporations that fund it, exists for only one reason: to protect and enrich itself.
-Candidate Donald J. Trump October 13, 2016
Sundance is correfct. The gop must be destroyed. For a new one to live, the old one must be destroyed.
In case you hadn’t noticed, there is no appreciable difference between the gop wing of the uniparty and the dems. Sure, they’ll talk a big game about holding the line against the dems, but they’ll never talk about running the ball the other direction, and they’ll certainly never actually do it beyond the occasional tokenism.
Show me one time in the last 20 years where republicans abolished laws on guns, for example.Their purpose if to be a magnet, to capture voters who are against globalism and such, and keep them under control by means of duplicity
“we oppose them, we swear”. *wink, nod, purple tie*
THAT is why the GOP must be destroyed.
Ask Kanye West how it works running as an outsider. The CIA gave his votes to Biden…
Not only that, I can almost guarantee that every state controlled by Democrats would block any mags third party from getting on their state ballot. They would just block it with the justification that they are domestic terrorists.
*MAGA
Because “Black Lies Matter”.
It has been blared out loudly and in HUGE, BOLD LETTERS for 5 years now that the Republican Party does not want to be associated with us, supporters of PDJT!
Unbelievably, a huge swath of the Republican Party “leaders” in Washington and throughout the country hated PDJT and fought a full fledged underground war against him and us for those 5 years!
McCarthy and others think they lead the party to “victory” by gaining seats in the House. In reality it was PDJT who gave those newly elected Republicans their victory!
My ancestors were there at the formation of the Republican Party! Unfortunately, I am here at the collapse!
I have unregistered as a Republican after 60 years and am now registered as Other – Patriot Party!
Time to lead the dead elephant roll over be buried along with all the Never Trumpers!
MAGA PARTY / PATRIOT PARTY!
Agreed…
I have no allegiance to the GOP and far less to the DNC. Trump was the opportunity to right our ship of state that was sorely needed. The SoS crushed our movement by cutting off the head of the effort. i do not want to give up, give in, but I do want to win for America and Americans. A third party seems such a long shot with so many snares along the way, but whatever it takes, I’m in!
Gosh Bud, if you think a 3rd party is a long shot, you will be devasted by my idea to form a new democratic republic Just Secession. Trump Voters Seek A Revolution, Not A Civil War. We begin our advocacy of a new democratic republic by extending the question asked by C. Bradley Thompson “What type of person is attracted to Marxism?” https://bit.ly/3ifUN57
Excellent article! FTA ““The better question here is: What kind of person is attracted to Marxism? The best scholarship now tells us that between 1917 and 1989 approximately 100 million people were murdered by various Marxist regimes, and millions more were tortured, starved, exiled, enslaved, and sent to concentration camps. Collectivization, one-party rule, man-made famine, secret police, arrests, propaganda, censorship, ethnic cleansing, purges, show trials, reeducation camps, gulags, firing squads, and killing fields—all these defined life under communism. Nothing in the long span of human history comes close to the tyranny, terror, and mass genocide caused by Marxism in power—nothing.”
This difference in logic explains why Trump voters seek a revolution, not a civil war, with the Marxists. In a civil war, the socialist winners would impose its Marxist ideology on the losers, in a single unified state.
In a revolution, the two enemies part ways, to form two new nations.
“What type of person is attracted to Marxism?”
The type of person who supports torturing General Flynn, for 4 years, because he is an enemy of Democrat Marxists.
The type of person who promotes the subversion of the electoral system of the representative republic, and destroys citizen rights, in order to attain illegitimate power to impose a minority ideology on a majority.
The type of person who continuously calls his enemies racists.
To answer Thompson, that person attracted to Marxism, has the moral depravity to inflict torture and repression on his enemies, just like all other Marxists in history.”
I’m all for Texas suceding from the Union. The ChiComs running America have destroyed the Republic and the Constitution beyond redemption. Just like the GOPe is beyond redemption. ChiCom Joe and the Democrats want Texas to be overrun with illegal aliens turning it blue and our oil and gas industry destroyed as part of the fools errand called the New Green Deal! They also want to take our guns! I would vote to secede! Revolution hell yes! Civil War hell no, the military will side with the ChiComs!
We need other states to join in secession. A huge swath of fly over country. Basically all the red white and blue states that produce most of the food, electricity, and petroleum. Fk them. They can have their coastal utopias with their Chinese windmills and solar panels. We can watch as they rapidly decay from their insane policies. Once they are in ruins, we can take those states back, deport all the criminals/communists to China, and start rebuilding.
They will never allow themselves to be disconnected from the tax dollar pipeline of the productive, well-managed states without civil war. Remember the South sought to secede before the North brought civil war to them. California and New York would both be bankrupt in a flash without the $350 Billion redistribution of wealth “our” Republican representatives are preparing to vote for imminently. Because …COVID
Thanks for the link which I saved. The article was impressive. I’m convinced Thompson is on target with what we can do and why we cannot keep going with a uniparty of Marxists. Two incompatible forms of logic. Everyone should read the article.
I don’t care what it’s called, Bud just as long as it embodies President Trump’s agenda. I am trying to get a movement started here in OK to OKXIT and be our own country like the TEXIT movement. We keep our money in our states, we negotiate our own (buy American) trade agreements with other states, and we form a loose “coalition” or union, if you will of the rule of law respecting states.
I believe that DC/DNC/RNC is so corrupt and rotten that not even Napalm or a Hiroshima event could clear out the disease. A Convention of States would be a very good start, but that movement has taken such a long time to get off the ground that I’m not sure our country will still be standing by the time they get everyone on board.
I also don’t believe they’ve “cut off the head of our movement,” either. I believe that President Trump is in the process of regrouping. He is too smart and committed to allow our movement to just die out. I’m interested in seeing where he goes and what he does, but in the interim we can push our states to do something. After all, that is the foundation for our constitution – the states agreement to form a union. I propose we dissolve that.
I will NEVER vote Repukelican again…EVER!
The Dems thank you for your support.
I heard that kind of crap during the entire obama years because I refused to back ROMNEY or MCCAIN. History has proven both traitors, so why are you pushing the same old, tired, lesser of two evil nonsense?
Here’s how I look at it. Todd Young is up for re-election in 2022.
I’m not really voting for someone to represent me – I am actually voting for who I want to make a multi-millionaire.
Therefore, I am done voting republican. Might as well let the other team make the money. That, in my opinion, is hitting them where it hurts. Todd Young is basically a democrat anyway. What conservative cause has he advanced during his time in DC?
Find the best MAGA person you can and quickly start a write in campaign. Blast it everywhere you can. Twitter and get other America first people with a huge following to do the same. You would need to do it quick. Use every social media out there to spread the word so the posts would have to be respectful so they didn’t get taken down. Also do it on Gab and Parked if they are up by then. Write in rarely work but people are really pissed right now so it might have a shot. If you could get these message to Dan Bombing or Rush Limbaugh that would reach a lot of people.
We must have Election Security – tamper proof.
We must have our own, secured, proprietary social media platform.
We must have strong, trustworthy leadership.
Time is of the essence.
Our elected leadership is now so corrupted that We the People are being forced to choose:
to make history, or
to accept the hijacking of our government and our entire electoral process.
If you believe in God, then you believe that all things are possible, and you accept that no one is foolish enough to think this will be easy.
I suggest smarts, flexibility. If a republicon (con-artist) is your only choice, then I suggest you don’t vote, or write in (in common with others). But don’t vote for a marxist-demorat instead. (There are no more traditional [working-class-champions] dems.
Attempt to primary out every one of them. That means making efforts to take back voting – not a bad idea state-by-state — although the marxists will try to make voting “national.”
They used a two-prong strategy – marxist + oligarch, and splitting our vote in addition. Sundance has multiple examples. We should be able to imagine at least a two-prong strategy. Don’s forget -xits.
Politics Beyond Trump: Conservative Politics After Biden’s Illegitimate Transition of Power. Our intent in using Coulter as the starting point is to make our argument that Trump voters must move beyond Trump in order to deal with the arrival of a Marxist totalitarian regime. The new politics is not about electing Republicans.The new politics is about conservatives adopting the tactics of the Marxists in order to take back the legitimate power that was stolen from them, and to vanquish the Marxists with their own petard.
https://bit.ly/3pkhiZ6
Very bleak but likely what we face. History has shown it takes a super majority to overcome Marxism once it has taken over. The opening for real reform occurs during the inevitable financial and thus social collapse. This drains what remains of the Tyranny’s power and legitimacy simultaneously.
A new yet smaller Kleptocracy assumes control. Typically they understand that in order to get the economy going again most of the parasites of the failed Kleptocracy need to be eliminated and the legitimacy that can only come from “We the People” voting is restored. The economy comes back to life and they are seen as the legitimate stewards of the turn around.
Agree with your analysis of the situation, including that the movement can’t be all about Trump. Disagree that Ann Coulter has the wisdom, maturity or selflessness necessary to help anyone but Ann Coulter.
Cheney looks AND sounds just like Hillary Clinton.
That’s literally all I see when I look at her. And that is AFTER the makeover, so that hideousness is WITH help? God help us.
Most Republicans we voted into office secretly voted to keep Darth Liz McHillary as their leader and voice.
Talk about a party that needs to be burned to the ground.
Is Wallace going to be the last face showing on Fox News after all this settles out? He’s a waste of carbon, IMO.
Hardly, I think the fool that will outlast them all is the local idiot H A N N I T Y !
Nope. Hannity has lost his viewers… b/c we just can’t take it anymore.
Just one fear! FOOL ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU, FOOL ME TWICE SHAME ON ME!
BILL CLINTON 43.47%
George HW Bush 42.88%
ROSS PEROT 13.34% .
You over-simplify things. First look at history. The history of the Republican party. The why and the what happened.
Secondly, Ross Perot was set to win and could have saved this nation before NAFTA and other things had its chance to take is in this direction. But for reasons of suspected and very real threat against his family, he dropped out and then came back. That was enough to tank his efforts but even then, he got amazing amount of support. And frankly, Clinton was a better president than George HW Bush.
Except that Bill Clinton was the 1st potus to substantially increase the power and expanse of Communist China.
IF the US Govt was going to stupidly build the CCP into a monolithically dangerous military and economic power… why did our govt bother to destroy Soviet communism? The Soviets were never a threat to us economically. The CCP is a catastrophic threat to us and the world.
Bill Clinton was a sinister potus… and a sexual deviant who was/is morally corrupt — likely an actual sociopath.
The economy did well under Clinton IN SPITE of clinton, not because of him.
Those were the years of the internet boom. A puppy as potus could have produced the same “good econ years” as clinton did.
Wow. Someone who still doesn’t see Bush was the beginning of everything that derailed the work Reagan had done ON PURPOSE because he was a corrupt, piece of crap globalist RINO. The GOPe saddled Reagan with him for that purpose. Reagan tried not to endorse him, waited until the last possible moment. And unfortunately for us was so folksy and lovable with his “One last time for the Gipper” speech that Bush got in there to derail us.
Anyone who hasn’t awakened to the fact that Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama was ALL the crap UniParty selling out America for our gain is trying to cause us damage.
You are trying to damage this country.
To NOT see that FOX was pushing Jeb AND Hillary, in other words, did not see any difference between them is to be a person intentionally trying to destroy America.
As if there were any difference between bush and clinton.
That was then and this is now. I proudly voted Perot and would have voted for him again. We should study that amazing 13% capture of votes and build on what worked.
I see no hope for a third party – See Ann Kenevan’s stats above. The ballot boxes are controlled for a normal election. Can a (state)EXIT vote be fair and honest? That would be first problem….Then come all the others. Since this is a police state, I see no other outcome that might work.
Then step aside for those who have the courage and determination to make a difference.
Third parties are a loser. Hoping and wishing are not real things. If you can’t do the easy thing and take over the Republican Party, how do you think you can do the hard thing and organize any effective third party?
Quit whining and start going to your precinct meeting where at least you might make a little dent. How many of the complainers have ever put out any kind of effort at the local party level???
I have. It didn’t go well.
Something must be done and quickly. Wasted time and effort will only encourage civil war. The establishment and the GOP are incapable of any reformation. The answer is secession – just do it, legal or illegal is irrelevant. The government we have in place does not have the consent of the governed – making it illegal and without standing. I am 74 years of age and sick of wasting my energies trying to redirect the GOP and Washington, D.C.. We need to move on and let the establishment trash wallow in their own garbage and set the rest of us free !
I am right there with you, Charlie! I will turn 74 this year and frankly I’m just not in shape for physical conflict. I have joined the Texas Nationalists Movement: https://tnm.me/texit and I am pushing for the citizens here in OK to OKXIT as well. It’s time for law abiding people to take government back and we have to start at the local level. DC is a lost cause. We can starve them out just by following the constitution and implementing the Declaration of Independence. The Federal government does not serve we the people.
I walked away from the Democrat party in 2007. I have voted with Republicans ever since. I followed the tea party’s early reform efforts of the gop and they failed. I remember all the dirty bs the gop pulled including Karl Rove on fox talking down Christine odonnell in favor of the Democrat and murkowski running as a write in after losing the primary. And the gop and coc raising millions to fight the tea party. NOT the democrats.
One thing that has stayed consistent is the gop stabbing us in the back. You all can do what you want. If you form a third party I’ll support it. But if you think I’m spending one more dime or bothering to vote for either a dem or rep you are wrong. They are the same. They are proving that to you right now. Open your eyes for the love of God!
Mitch McConnell backstabbed Trump from the beginning to the end. A popular Republican president. Why? Because he wants to make millions in corruption and he can do that with like minded establishment filth on both sides of the aisle. But he cannot do that with a president who represents America and her people.
Lindsay Graham fist bumped camel toe Harris after the steal. You really think he is going to fight for you? He kissed huma, Clintons flunkie, on the cheek at mccains funeral. McCain’s disgusting family invited democrats to his funeral but not the republican president. The GOP ran on overturning Obamacare and then McCain cast the vote to keep it. These people are corrupt liars who are pals with democrats. They aren’t an opposition to anybody but us.
They get along fine with democrats because they are all the same. What have Republicans done that is conservative in the last ten or fifteen years? Please someone show me where Republicans have counterbalanced the left. Just one single thing that the gop has done that is conservative.
The GOP “backstabbed Trump from the beginning to the end. A popular Republican president.” Not one Senator voted to recess the Senate so President Trump could make some recess appointments! Not one in the four years the Republicans controlled the Senate! Bastards all of them!
THIS ⬆️
Preach, brother preach.
Billie, I think your summary is excellent. IMO President Trump, along with his superbly successful work on behalf of our country, did his level best to lead the Republican Party – and particularly D.C. Republican politicians – back to the Party’s more noble roots. He was met, at every turn, with abject refusal from them. They had their chance and they made their choice. Screw ’em.
Excellent post Sundance I to hope the American Patriot’s start to see what a lot of us see and saw in the last election and what we seen going forward time will tell. Still unaffiliated and very happy to have disowned the GOPe and fake news. Hopefully one day there will be a party I can join.
Someone needs to get Bongino to change his mind. I absolutely know how much they hate us. I’ve known for a very long time and convinced further with every subsequent example of the Republican party undermining MAGA.
The Republican party was BORN as a third party to address the “uniparty” of the day. The second Republican candidate for president was Abraham Lincoln and prior to that, there was strong popularity of the party in the legislative houses.
A third party will consist primarily of MAGA Republicans and the existing RINOs will simply dry up. But there’s also the more centerist Democrats who will ALSO flock to a new MAGA third party. Do you really think All Democrats are supportive of this? I really don’t think so.
Bongino is tied up with Mercer’s money. The Mercers are GOPe, so it stands to reason Bongino will always follow their orders and oppose a third party.
To me a central democrat or independent voter is the reason the Republican party went down hill. They can’t make up their mind as they like some socialist programs yet want their independence also. It may sound cruel but think about it. If you are really conservative and want a free country then why vote for the one that gives the handouts.
And saying you don’t like either party so you become a libertarian or independent is like a brat throwing a tantrum.
Are we just quitters and expect a president to fix our problem or do we the people start fixing the problem ourselves? You don’t leave a party festering, you pop that boil and let the disease flow down the drain while you come in with the antibiotic and start cleaning and rebuilding it.
Democrats built from the ground up but Republicans just complain. Start by cleaning it out at the bottom, that is your local and state. You have to have a foundation and that starts with your own state, mayors, councils,etc.
I have a dream… that one day, the American people will wake up, realize their Constitutional obligation and instead of voting for a candidate because of their pretend party affiliation, they will choose a candidate by assessing their accomplishments, abilities, merits and character.
NOW HEAR THIS!!! The reason WE THE PEOPLE are in our current situation is because of “political Tribalism”… We are currently offered nothing but the illusion of choice. STOP accepting this.
Funny how Lizzy seems to be shrugging off how her support has collapsed and it just (really doesn`t matter). Seems to me she knows something that we are not quite hip to yet, like Dominion voting machines and mail in ballots are going Nation wide because the UniParty won the last election they needed to. Until the fraud is stopped nothing matters.
One party, two parties, a new third party–the tyranny we are currently living under will not be solved by POLITICS.
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The Founding Fathers considered all attacks on our natural rights to be an ACT OF WAR. Politics doesn’t win wars. Warriors do…
Once again, the conservatives are going to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. It is really unbearable to watch all this infighting while the Dems tie us up in knots and solidify their hold on US politics.
Maybe it’s time to learn some lessons from the damn Commies instead of continuing with the circular firing squad.
We have identified a major enemy and that is Liz Cheney. Go after her, destroy her, do to her what they did to our President Trump. Hound her to hell. And make sure that she and her family never have a place again in American politics.
While everyone here is arguing about whether we should stick with the winners in the GOP like President Trump, Ron DeSantis, etc. the electoral process is in full swing.
There are special elections for CONGRESS coming up on March 22nd in Louisiana. The filing deadline was January 22nd. This is the kind of real world procedure that we are dealing with.
Not ONE person in this discussion who is advocating for a third party has been able to describe how exactly we will go about it or even describes the procedure. Not ONE of them seems to have any idea of what’s involved in terms of organization, filing, finance or how to get people on the ballot..
Time to get real folks. The process has already begun and instead of fighting the enemy, here we are again chasing windmills and fighting amongst ourselves. No wonder the Commie Dems are laughing at us and giving us the finger.
https://ballotpedia.org/Special_elections_to_the_117th_United_States_Congress_(2021-2022)
I missed the conversation last night, and it is too long to read this Monday morning. I must say, I believe you are on the right track. The idea that we can defeat both the rinos in the primary and then ask all the R voters to switch parties and join us to defeat the Dems in the general is folly. The most we can do is destroy some rinos and turn the country over to the commies/dems.
If you want to see total destruction and civil war, embrace this path. Perhaps a compromise with those that want a third party. Let’s crowdsource a national poll, and find out how many would join. One last point. Some say we can find enough good candidates to replace all of the rinos. Then explain where all of these good candidates will come from to fill every house and senate seat, in both state and federal elections, in all 50 states. In other words, the same problem exists.
I wish there was some better news, but a third party is probably only going to succeed in destroying the R party and turning the country over to the D party. Ultimately the R party may not be salvageable, but I will start local and fight to clean it there. If and when a third party comes along, then we can have that discussion.
Please feel free to attack my stance at your leisure…
Destroy some Rinos and then destroy the rest.
There is only one party stop playing their game. We could do beter with random picks from the phone book. They would be just as talented and a lot less compromised.
Party rule 1
Inside trade, book deals or any form of payola and your gone.
The FEC website spells it out very clearly.
Getting everyone to realize, accept, and proceed as Sundance has continually pointed out is another matter. This movement should already be underway and in fact there are some grassroots organizations already started, all with the same idea. They, just like those here, need to be UNITED.
You keep repeating this mantra about people not knowing what is involved with starting a new party. How about you document exactly how this should be done, since you seem to have an inside track on that.
As Charlotte mentioned in the comment above, the FEC site explains it. Here is a link:
https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-political-party/
Here is another link with details about New York. I highly recommend that you bookmark the Ballotpedia website if you are interested in the third party movement.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_parties_in_New_York
At this point, pray tell, what difference would a third party make? I favor H.L. Mencken who famously said “Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” And we know who the enemy is. Time to clean house. There is no easy way out of this if we want our land of freedom back.
This won’t work in practice, because no Democrat controlled state would let a maga third party on their ballot. Would just ban it as being domestic terrorists.
Yeah gee we wo t w8n d3mo rat8c controled states in the midterm.
So whats new M8tch cant and when he can he wont WAR!
Something else that’s not recoverable: the myth that our easily propagandized, games and circuses addicted culture will ever vote its way out of this after getting itself into this. Since ideocracies also misuse violence by virtue of being ideocracies, that isn’t an answer either.
The fix? There isn’t one. So, look out for yourself and your family in as ethical a manner as possible. Idiots deserve what they’ll eventually get.
I’m not buying into a 3rd party, we are the maga party and the republican party needs to just accept it or move to the left. I’m not letting them run me off and take over, it’s time for US to take the control back in our own group.
There is ample opportunities for ‘we-the-people’ to become more involved, volunteer, at the existing precinct level all across the nation. Of about 400,000 positions, there are about 200,000 openings.
What you can do? Free choices (pending)
Some people many want to peacefully take advantage of the opportunities – and over the course of meetings, over many months – while working and teaming up with others to help make a difference..
Here are some other tips, suggestions ( Dan schultz ) etc.
https://listen.warroom.org/e/episode-712-how-to-win-w-dan-schultz-mike-j-lindell/
p.s.
In the State of Wyoming, Liz is censured…and they are incrementally effecting change, over time.
[ and yes, they know that Liz has ample monetary resources…. but….
there is strength in human numbers by working together over time, in sync….for a common cause
(not for a ‘party’, but for ‘we-the-people’, for country, within an under utilized existing infrastructure within the country….)
(and be aware that there are some wooden-nickely chameleons, that can be outed, and / or better informed, or wizened up, over time….) ]
p.s.
Even working on election integrity at the precinct level is important.
Mike Lindell (Absolute Proof) is interviewed in the above link.
Love thy neighbors
You seem to have missed the message. The GOP stated last week that there is no room in the party for President Trump, his followers, or his MAGA mission. They have run you off already.
If McCarthy was serious about working with Trump, he would have throttled her.
Thank you for information as always, but in this case I cannot click on the link to view the interview.
I may be wrong but it appears to me the best way to deal with Liz/Hillary Cheney is to primary her. I do not live in Wyoming and, while I may relocate there in the near future, I will be donating to her primary opponent. If only say, 20% to 30% of MAGA supporters donated $10 to $20 each her primary opponent will be well funded.
Primary her so she can join Pence on the board, eat cucumber sandwiches and order body bags for the next sandbox play.
T8me to get real WE lost they won and now we have to take them all down.
Trump voters dont g8ve a damn about the circus and we are imune to the media. Thats why they had to cheat
The Republican establishment would like nothing better than to chase all their grassroot members who are Trump’s power-base out of the party and leave the primaries to themselves. As Sundance correctly pointed out, there is no GOP or DNC; they are all members of the Uniparty. We can stand against the Uniparty if we can take over the Republican party and let the RINOs go over to the Uniparty. In this manner, we will have a fighting chance at defeating the only other major political party, the Uniparty.
What we should do is swell the ranks of the GOP at every local level. Get you Democrat Trump supporters and your Independents Trump supporters to change their party affiliations to Republican if only for the 2022 primary. Let’s chase the Liz Cheneys out of the party instead, rather than being chased out ourselves and having to face the combined financial might of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and the Uniparty during the next primary season.
Excellent comment. Also nobody is mentioning that if we conservatives leave the GOP we are leaving over TWO BILLION DOLLARS ON THE TABLE that we donated because of our President Trump.
Is that really what you people want to do?? Walk away and let the RINOs have EVERYTHING we worked for without them having to do a damn thing. WAKE TF UP PEOPLE.
Wake yourself up.
BOHICA
No amount of money is worth the continuing abuse from corrupt politicians who are getting rich off voters.
We need a new Party anything else is a waste of time. You all forget this Country was formed Under God and the Bible. The reason we are in this fix it because we forgot God. Without his Blessing we cannot succeed. Look at the traitors i the demonrat party and then destroy anything that is family,God or Country.
Democrats, Republicans, same bird, left and right wing. You don’t change the bird, because you can’t. That bird is sick with money, power and the voting machines.
You need a new bird, a good bird, who can fight and win against the absolute evil that has corrupted the old bird.
There have been many ‘pro’s’ and ‘cons’ for forming a third party posted in this thread. Might I suggest that we first concentrate on what are our major goals and what we hope to accomplish in our search to put our country back together again.
It would seem that we first need to establish our ‘platform’, if you will, in order to best decide whether to take over the Republican party or form another party or an approach all together different or even a combination of methods.
What are our common beliefs? What do we stand for? What do we stand against or what are our major problems? What are our mission statements for both short term and long term? I think we need to be clear, concise, and in agreement in these major categories before we can discern the best way forward.
I am finished with the Republican party. They will never get another dime nor vote out of me. I have changed my affiliation to Independent. I eagerly await the Patriot Party. If anyone can make it happen, it’s Donald Trump.
Sent this note to my useless senator Toomey who is COC stooge and voting for impeachment, against the will of his constituents: Senator Toomey, you are retiring at that is a good thing because you don’t seem to represent US, but rather yourself. It has to be asked though how you can let your personal hatred for President Trump cloud your vision of what is right. Our vote was STOLEN and we the people know it. You know it. You know the”insurrection” was staged by bad actors, not Trump or his voters. This video has PROOF that foreign actors and domestic subversives STOLE THE ELECTION. https://www.bitchute.com/video/17ZUoNxKWACb/. Why does a private citizen care more than our elected representatives? Why aren’t you all in the gop screaming for this data???? Do you hate America so much that you’re ok with this as long as Orange Man is out? If China, Iran and Venezuela can hack our election and you DO NOTHING then you have betrayed your constituents, and your country, based on your own personal issues with our great ex president who did more for us and the conservative agenda than anyone since Reagan. If our vote doesn’t count WE ARE VENEZUELA. I hope you can face your family, your kids and grandkids when they are eating out of trash cans in the future. Venezuela was a rich country and in 15 years of this dictatorship like Biden is running, demonizing and canceling all opposition, they are the least free country next to China. Thanks to you and your Rino friends who stand for yourselves and not the USA. Sincerely a thoroughly disgusted constituent.
The SC apparently had all courts stand down or so it seems. Do they they think they’ll escape the purge? Dems have a law waiting that calls for an “ethics commission” for SC judges. They are a separate branch of government! They need to stand up and save this country and our constitution!
Bingo, Sundance. Full stop on giving two shiz about the GOP. Have advocated for years, even to the point of wanting secession over giving into those toads. They are as lost as golf balls in high weeds. It has to be a new patriots party. One that stands on principle, period. We the People can give them a voting block Day One of 70+ million. Within a span of 4 years we could take out Dominion/Smartmatic in the majority of states if not all by making their lives miserable in person and through the judiciary. We could have a total voting block in Congress of over a third of he members in that period. Within 6-8 years we would own the majority in each and no doubt hold the POTUS.
Save America.
Too many things have to go right for this not to be a total disaster. Demographic trends gives an advantage to Democrats in presidential cycles. You split the Republican vote just a little and it’s a loss.
You can’t center a new party around Trump. He’s unreliable, unpredictable, and some people (including some Republicans) just hate him no matter what.
Look at the recent Supreme Court decision regarding California and churches. Some of those so called conservatives on the bench aren’t as conservative as promised. We lose just one presidential election cycle and we could have the Bill of Rights be conditional based on what some expert like Faucci says.
I hate the current GOP, but the barbarians are at the gates. You pull just a few men from it and we’re all dead.
That’s another reason secession is the only solution.
Sundance, I suggest we use multiple strategies to make them fail, including primarying their a$$es out, third party if that will work (gotta get the ballot box back), and -xits .
Whatever will work, state by state. Double down the next two years. We belong to the patriot party that elected President Trump, probably 100 mill strong, and we shall win. We will not abide a coup.
Can this work? I don’t know. How does one herd cats (multi-million individual minds)? A “treat?”
When the Dems were revealed to be corrupt to the core, many worked so hard to move disaffected, trampled on Dems to the Republicans. We worked so hard. There were so many like Diamond and Silk “Ditch and Switch,” Brandon Straka (#Walkaway, now in federal custody just for peaceful protests) and on and on. Moderate centrists like Tim Pool and Dave Rubin.
We got a beautiful loving coalition of staunch Conservatives and disaffected Americans from every background and voted the whole country red with a few blue city exceptions.
Trump clearly won not only the presidency but the Senate and House too. John James won Michigan. For a bribe he did not fight his obvious stolen victory. Georgia’s Republican party worked to help Stacy Abrams steal.
Our corrupt piece of crap traitors in every institution and our own supposed party betrayed us and handed our votes to the Marxists.
The sadness watching those already red pilled against the Left having to find out the Right is equally corrupt is epic.
Like Rush Limbaugh, I feel this loss deeply.
America’s rapists must be opposed, destroyed and run off.
One has to be smoking if you think a party that fought FOR the people against the OLIGARCHS couldn’t attract most of the country.
The people will easily flock to such a thing. That actually is so do-able. The real work would be the institutional rot in our way illegally and surreptitiously stealing votes, stuffing suitcase ballots, bribing judges, thieving and working in the shadows where skulking rats wallow in filth doing their damage.
Democlowns pray morning, noon, and night that foolish conservatives will start a third party and hand them perpetual political control of the nation.
Dems pray morning, noon, and night for conservatives to start a third party and hand them perpetual control.
There already is a MAGA Party, it just hasn’t been ‘made official’ (paperworkwise).
Lion walking through the fire
As this election has shown we will not be able to vote out way out of this. We become California, New York, Chicago where no matter how bad the economic, public policy, no matter how bad the crime and living conditions, there is one party rule which wins 70% of the vote. Unfortunately change is likely not coming until we implode and then it’ll be spontaneous and ugly. Visualize a Venezuela, I just don’t know how long it’ll take the US down to get to that state. The communists, leftist, statists, oligarchs whatever you want to call it are achieving their goal of undermining the moral fabric of the country. Where evil succeeds, hard work and ‘doing the right thing’ is consistently punished. Is there an example of a country that fought off and beat the communists, we need to look at that model whatever it is. Just trying to open my eyes and look realistically at what has been transpiring for quite awhile. I’ve been caught by surprise because I never thought the final stages of deterioration would be so immediate,
Too many Republicans are focused on balance of power issues. They’d rather have a majority or even a minority position as long as the committee perks and money is there for them. The Whigs argued the same way about slavery and died in the dustbin.
Frankly, conservatives and MAGA supporters have lost their mind if they want to remain in the Republican Party……the party which is working frantically to remove any trace of President Trump, his 75 million supporters, and his MAGA mission.
Heed their message. They hate us, and do not want us in the party. Only alternative then is a third party.
I am a 35 year old trapped in a 79 year old body, love my country, staunchly conservative, have always been closely attuned to government and politics, voted in every election for the GOP candidate starting with Nixon in 1960. While stationed in the USAF in Amarillo, TX, I attended a Goldwater rally in 1964!
The only Democrats I have ever voted for (local elections excepted) were (being from Georgia) the likes of Senator’s Richard B. Russell, Herman Talmadge and Sam Nunn. I am proud to say I never voted for Jimmy Carter either as Governor or POTUS.
Many times, like all of us reading here, I have voted for GOP candidates who have let me down. Many times I have had to hold my nose to vote for candidates like the despicable John McCain. I stood by George Bush as the media beat up on him and being “Mr. Respectable”, he did not fight back. Then I watched as he remained quiet for the 8 years of Obama’s rule only to resurface and criticize President Trump.
I have made contributions to many GOP candidates all across the country and a few were good investments but many others were disappointments. Let me give you one example.
In 2010, Republican Scott Brown was elected Senator from Massachusetts to replace the Dems “Lion of the Senate”, Ted Kennedy. UNBELIEVABLE! First GOP senator from Mass. since 1972! He ran on a conservative platform (for Mass anyway) and won. I poked up a bunch of my friends and combined we contributed close to $25,000 to his campaign! Many others all across the country did the same. Unfortunately, once elected, he made several key votes that went against the principles he was elected on. He lost to Elizabeth Warren in 2012. I believe that if he would have “stayed the course”, he would have won.
I could go on and on but in short, I am done with supporting GOP candidates simply because they are the lesser of 2 evils. After this last election, I may be done with supporting any candidate or ever voting again. What does it matter?
Is a 3rd party the answer? I’m not sure. I am sure that the will of the majority of the GOP is not being represented by “leaders” like McConnell, McCarthy, Graham and Cheney. And the fact that Liz Cheney, who certainly does not represent the views of her constituents in Wyoming, was reelected to her position by a large majority of GOP representatives tells you volumes about these people. I, as a strong Trump supporter, feel that they have slapped me in the face with a dead fish! With people like these in leadership positions, how can the party be rebuilt to represent the will of the majority of supporters.
If you support and uphold the views of my enemy, then YOU are my enemy also!
First and foremost, this movement (referring to Trump supporters, not necessarily a 3rd Party) needs a leader and we need it fast! We cannot let this movement be destroyed by the Deep Staters like they essentially did to the Tea Party Movement. Will it be Trump or someone else?
Done
If a number of Freedom Caucus members leave GOP and form a third party together while serving in the House, then the viability of a third party option is greatly increased.
Do Jordan, Briggs, Banks, Gaetz, et al. have the courage and wisdom to take this opportunity to be the second founding members of the Republic? They have been talking a lot lately but no action so far.