Sunday night President Trump signs HR 133 the $900 billion COVID-19 relief bill and Omnibus spending bill to fund government through September 2021.
According to released press reports, President Trump is signing the bill with rescission requests demanding that portions of the bill be struck from final implementation by the Senate. The President is redlining the bill and providing line-by-line instructions to congress on the provisions within the bill that need to be modified and removed.
The signing of the bill carries a statement from President Trump: ““As President, I have told Congress that I want far less wasteful spending and more money going to the American people in the form of $2,000 checks per adult and $600 per child.”
The statement continues: “The senate will start the process for a vote that will increase checks to $2,000, repeals Section 230, and starts and investigation into voter fraud.”
Will the House and Senate support the rescission requests?
You decide….
The bill, containing all the pork, already carried a large veto-proof majority by those in the House and Senate who loaded it up with their special interest spending. I doubt a veto-proof bill will be modified by congress.
However, that veto-proof majority also made any veto effort by President Trump moot… so, considering the structure, the best he could do would be to take the rescission route and make the request.
Oh Lord. What now?
No, they won’t support it.
For all you people who are giving up on President Trump, you make me sick. How many of you great people would put it on the line like he has these past four years. Very Very Few if anyone. I’m NOT Giving up on Trump EVER! He has proven his worth to our great nation, have you great people proven your worth to this nation? God, Country, Family.
Damn straight.
Treepers beware, this a a calculated plan to drive people from this site. Same thing happened on Twitter with certain other patriot sites. Difference being, commenters here are too well informed to let this happen, am I right? Ignore them, they will go away. Total PSYOP.
It would not surprise me if both the House and Senate renege on their “promise”
Then they would be breaking the law No?
If there was a law against breaking promises in DC they would ALL be in jail. LOL
There is a law it’s just not enforced
WOW – you could have fooled me!
Then cite the law, please. We don’t hold for assertions you can’t back up with a reliable source, unless it’s clearly your own opinion.
Since when did breaking any laws stop Congress?
No, only General flynn papadopolous can ‘break the law’ by not actually lying.
Congress would break the Bayesian statistics law of expectation if they EVER told the truth, after being completely consistent liars.
I am pretty sure that congress will renege and you are sure congress will renege and lots of others here know they will also.
Do you think Donald J Trump does not know this too.
Why do you suppose President Trump choose to do this?
Why would Pres Trump do this knowing that so many would react exactly the way some here are reacting, crying in their beer while laying on the floor in a fetal position.
Why?
Is Donald J Trump stupid, uncaring, trying to lose the 2020 election?
Maybe Pres Trump has been waiting these 4 years and working as hard as he could 24/7 just to really stick it too us now?
Maybe he has really been in cahoots with Pelosi all this time and THIS is what he has been waiting for, to really do screw up our country?
I do not know why either ( and all of the above suggestions were sarcastic for those who could not tell) but then I do not have all the information needed to make a judgement on this situation.
Sundance put up two very good posts before this one about UNITY and working together and all it takes is for P Trump to make one move in office that annoys some people for them to throw in the towel and not stand with him.
I can almost see people canceling their hotel reservations for 1-6-2021 in a self-righteous huff.
No wonder our enemy has been able to gain so much headway in taking over our country from the inside.
Honestly people, some of you think like pre schoolers.
Promises from the RATS and RINOS are not worth the paper they are written on.
My first thought after seeing this was “President Trump has something on all these people including Mitch .”
We shall see what happens. Love our President.
I think this is him playing his hand, too.
They had the override. What did he lose here?
I really don’t know what to think about this. I never thought he’d sign it as it stood. He really thinks they will change anything he asked for? Just because they said they would? I have to look at this again. Ugh.
The use of the Impoundment Act allows line by line or “redline” veto so it isn’t as though Trump “gave up” or “caved in”. He needs to get the help of the ‘moderate’ ie cowardly RINOs for his election fraud due process battle after all.
Still time before January 6 for it all to go kinetic but Trump isn’t a raving lunatic he is a man of peace.
Correct.
Did SCOTUS rule that act as not legal?
Making more sense now. I wonder if this move will work? How much time will they take now to do what he’s asking and what happens if they don’t do it? What if it goes beyond Jan. 6 and god forbid Biden is certified?
It basically means Congress can approve it, but Trump has the right to not disperse certain funds that he redlines. That’ll work!
That’s interesting. Since it is a “Covid” bill this obscure Act seems to have some teeth. Wonder what he’s willing to give on to get Section 230 repealed? Congress investigating fraud is like the thieves acting as DA
Thank you for that explanation!
I cant remember ever seeing this tried. Is it conditional on these demands or can they just tell the President to stuff it since he’s signed it?
I live in the San Fernando Valley, CA. The thought of all the “legal” residents (non- citizens) who raise their children as Mexican Americans being a dime makes me sick. The short order cooks, gardeners, and construction workers, all dominated by non- English speakers, seem to have no trouble hustling a pay check. This stimulus should be for Americans only.
Yeah, right. Trump, you’re a sucker.
Should have vetoed and forced an override.
Lucy and the football sees Charlie Brown a’rumbling.
At one time I would vehemently argue with “Trump, you’re a sucker”. However, after Sessions, Barr, Wray, Mathis, The three SC appointees, etc,etc. I have to somewhat agree with your assessment.
Of course McConnell and Pelosi will respect the President’s wishes.
They always do.
Yes.
These are solid people who always keep their promises.
Mitch McConnel has always been Trump’s greatest supporter.
/sarcasm
No. Congress will not support his requests. I give up.
So…is this a line item veto? Or he just caved?
He’s giving g them everything and will get nothing. This is foolish. Wtf. I think he’s just giving up. At least that’s what this says to me. Trump knows damn well they won’t do a damn thing but laugh after he signs the bill.
it will be the same as a veto if they dont make the changes
Try reading it.
This reminds me of the Omnibus he signed without funding for The Wall and Paul Ryan told him sign it we will get that funding later, how did that work out?
I think the president just got bit by the snakes.
I believe we’re done.
There’s always a simple mind ready to troll
You live in Cali. What simple minded reason do you have for staying there?
Do you even know what’s in that bill? Its the base for the green new deal which leads to the great reset……that’s when we all get F’d, Kali.
Do you really believe that congress will honor.those requests? That’s why you live in Cali: ignorance.
“The President is redlining the bill and providing line-by-line instructions to congress on the provisions within the bill that need to be modified and removed.”
He just triggered the crap out of the Uniparty.
Time will tell.
If they IGNORE him, what can he do about it? Likely, nothing. I’m not seeing how this is a good thing.
They haven’t even read it! LOL
Correct
Art of the Deal! PDJT just indirectly implemented a line item veto.
WINNING!
House and Senate will only accept this if they unequivocally believe Biden will be seated on 20 Jan 2021.
Otherwise, they will reject it. Then we enter the capitulation phase wherein Congress rewrites the bill and separates Covid from Omnibus. Then Trump signs Omnibus and approves Covid with signing statement. Then it goes around again, and again, until 20 Jan 2021.
This is a power play, and Trump is smarter than the swamp.
This Congress dismisses on January 3rd, new one sworn in. All uncompleted bills go “poof” at that time. Must be completed by dismissal.
If the Congress accepts this as it is being sent back to them under these terms. Could they just refuse it or send it to the SC quickly maybe for clarification as a viable way to handle this bill? Didn’t the SC rule line item veto was not allowed and this is a back door way to that very thing it seems?
Wow. Another zinger for Monday again. The media will be going nuts, not that I care. In any case, PTrump apparently has put them in a very uncomfortable spot. Good.
It is a very interesting counter punch that has caught them flatfooted. I want to learn more, but I’m liking it
Nothing unconstitutional about it. As YYR points out above if Congress does not act by 3 Jan 2021 the new Congress has to start all over again. I pointed out above that PDJT is in effect indirectly using a line item veto. Within the bounds of the Constitution.
PDJT will also hold up the funds for 45 days. Cowboy79 points out the brilliant strategy of this maneuver.
What a load of crap.
I’m all for this if a deal to get McConnell to support Trump on Jan 6th was made, politics is politics.
Again, regardless of the outcome for Trump or the Senate, we need to focus on the local and state elections to take this country back! The county red vs. blue map of the 2020 election is very telling of what we the people can do to control government outside of the big cities.
The best he could’ve done was stood up and made Republicans go on record overriding his VETO! I don’t think in Trumps history as a businessman he ever did or would‘ve signed a contract based on promises
Yep.
The Senate will start the process that increases checks to $2k, repeals Section 230, starts an investigation into voter fraud, per President Trump’s redlines under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (which Nixon signed).
-RINOs & Ds are furious.
This is a virtually unknown law and has taken Congress by surprise.
-It also signals his intent to invoke *other* laws in the coming weeks.
Copied from a Twitter thread. Interesting.
I know I’ve never heard of it
Lies, try doing your own research instead of reading a tweet. This does nothing but stall pork funding.
I know Nancy Pelosi is furious. She just came out and blathered on about negotiating with him is going to make her bring out her “ nuclear bomb “ .
She looked completely unhinged.
I think something is up. I do
The house is under the gun on this, they have a lot on their plate and either conform with the redline he’s sending back or they start all over in about a week with a new congress. And that congress will be more Republican. Nancy made the mistake of saying she agreed with $2K already but Republicans blocked it – which is a lie of course. Trump just did the Republican party a favor and himself a favor, this was a no lose situation for him. There’s upside for him regardless of how it turns out.
Interesting take.
This makes sense.
If Nancy is furious that’s a very good thing
He needs to give THE BIG SPeech. Why they want what they want for this country and that country and this org and that.
I don’t really understand what POTUS has been doing since mid October, at least.
I would also love to see the name ,rank and party of all those who sponsored the turkey of a bill.
My Rep voted against it. I still can’t find the list of the 6 Senators who voted against it. Amash is a Rep who voted against it and he definitely is not on our side.
If President Trump stays- he will make it work. If The Office of the President Reject gets in….
Bye bye Promises.
Well, swallowing this will help you prepare for the coming banana republic
Trump folded like a gas station map.
How many Americans will get jobs teaching “gender studies” in Pakistan?
When ever their is foreign aid, somebody related to the cause gets a kick back in some form
@ Gerry Shuller… Re “Trump folded like a gas station map.”
Very poor analogy; as, gas station maps, as you call them, are designed to fold for good reasons; all positive in nature.
Why?
Here we go:
“I am demanding many rescissions under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974…”
“The ICA requires that the President send a special message to Congress identifying the amount of the proposed rescission; the reasons for it; and the budgetary, economic, and programmatic effects of the rescission.”
This is a good move on the Presidents part. This act it seems allows the President to line veto certain items and cancel any funding of those items as it is implemented. Congress can then vote to override the cancelled funding item but has to do so within a certain period of time. This then allows full daylight to be focused on the item as it goes thru the Congressional override action. Congress has already seen how well liked some of the foreign aide Omnibus item are with the American people. Congress will be forced to override each item as spending for that individual item is withheld by the President. It seems that they can’t just Blanket override all of the Red Lined vetoed items. The override can only come as each item comes up for funding implementation. Items that benefit American people have not been Red Lined. Simply marvelous!
thanks for that Ordinary- helps
Aren’t these bills, combined, over 5,000 pages? I can imagine the worker-bees over at Treasury, under the guiding hand of Treas. Sec. Mnuchin and Sec. of Commerce Ross going through those pages with a fine toothed comb, er, red ink pen, underline rulers in hand.
President Trump is going to make each one of those Senators and Congressmen justify the pork, line by line.
We, the citizens, will be, like watching the lions in their dens circling the captive politicians. Talk about creating sound bites for when all those politicians go up for their re-elections.
Sad. He folded like a cheap suit 🙁 They will give him nothing.
its same as a veto if they dont…. stop trollin
“demanding that portions of the bill be struck from final implementation by the Senate. The President is redlining the bill and providing line-by-line instructions to congress on the provisions within the bill that need to be modified and removed.”
According to the “Impoundment Control Act of 1974”?
Good luck with that in court. We can’t even get half ass backward County Courts to admit thousands of affidavits concerning voter fraud, etc., into evidence concerning this election.
I know PDJT is in a tough spot and Executives often have to make decisions that leave large groups of people unhappy with their decision; however, I fail to see how playing along with the “swamp creatures” is going to work out.
You just end up getting their slime all over yourself. In the case of PDJT, instead of CONgrAss working on actual spending bills, if he is still around in 2021 then they have more time on their hands to impeach him again.
They are laughing their asses off at Trump’s “Strong Statement”.
And so am I, frankly…
Did Lindsay Graham teach PFJT how to write a ‘strongly worded’ letter to crooked congresscritters?
I’m laughing my ass off at all the unhappy trolls.
Then, he should bust Washington wide open!
HOW?? Seriously, how? They just blew through 2+ trillion in wealth that needs to be produced by children that have not even been born yet!
Art of the deal huh? My understanding is that a deal requires 2 sides to #1) agree to the deal AND #2) be honorable enough to hold up their end of the deal.
I see no honor on congress’ side. I see weakness on Trump’s side.
This is the first time I have felt disillusioned and defeated in many years.
I think he signaled he is done. He has a rally planned on the 4th of Jan … not sure how a rally the night before the election will even help either. Is he just going through the motions now???
WHAT?????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Interesting to see how 45 days of the impoundment really plays out. Does this allow the pocket veto to sunset and therefore the opportunity for a veto-proof bill to slide into next administration? Does it allow him to send 600 regardless but force the next admin and all congress who voted not to approve the red-line item by item to be on record as to their porking ways?
Does this help the Lion party going forward?
So let me see if I get this? The Covid stuff, including the unemployment stuff, is immediately approved. He recommends upping the payment to citizens to be negotiated. He also red lines the pork holding it for 45 days. Am i understanding this correctly?
Yes, to what Fish and hunt is asking, that’s how I see this happening.
From what I was able to quickly read, the 45 day impoundment has to be consecutive days of congress in session, and that ends on Jan 3rd. The OMB (executive) actually write the checks that go out. So my (limited) understanding is the redlined items are dropped.
er….no money sent out.
Trump had the pocket-veto option. I’m shocked to see this. He had a better shot rolling over to the next Congress and starting over.
Well if we try to look on the bright side. The Congress Critters were also expecting the Pocket Video. Instead he did this.
He appeared to be weak when he was down to a pocket veto . Their efforts they were ready to use the pocket veto plan are now wasted effort. Recoup will be underway.
tomorrow begins the effort to show all of the US how deep the fraud was.
He appeared weak when he was strong. The effort will be imo to show so much evidence in many ways. Will perhaps force the Senate and House Rino’s to realize how much the people know. Big Rally Saturday Luke, se ya at the roundup.
tomorrow is the start of the all the info they have on voter Fraud. That will be hitting tomorrow and ongoing.
Sun Tzi. Seems to me he just executed, make the enemy feel you are weak (now), when you are strong.
Now, when will the public get to see his recissions and his reasoning for them? That’s when this really cranks up. You have to think he blisters them
No he did not. It’s been discussed plenty on here. Pocket veto was not an option.
he’s done. i’m done. it’s over.
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LOL! (Thanks, I needed that!)
You can pick up your hammer and sickle at the door.
Too many disappointments. Voted 2x for him. Definitely not a Communist.
Nobody in my family speaks to me anymore because I supported Trump. That was the only benefit I received from this election.
Ahh you whining pukes make me sick.
“Its over, Im done” blah blah blah!
Get the hell away from my foxhole.
You are the types that should never be counted on to get the final out in the bottom of the 9th, to take the snap on fourth and long, to be in a shoot out in overtime or to go to the foul line with the game on the line.
Such a weak bunch you are. Keep your negative defeatist vibe the hell outta here. Some of us are gearing up to save the greatest country ever to exist on the face of this earth.A nation blessed by God like no other. We are preparing mentally,
physically and spiritually to give our all, even if that means taking a bullet for the one lion of a man who would take one for us, and/or in the pursuit of freedom for ourselves, our families, our friends and our fellow patriot sosters and brothers of wvert color race and creed.
I do not know a single treeper here personally, but from my time spent on my branch I am absolutely certain there are some here that I would take a bullet for…and who would take a bullet for me in this battle of good vs evil. THIS is the true testament of power and goodness of this site. Think about that for a moment. Think about that long and hard before you post your defeatists drivel. We are preparing to put on the full armor of God and march onto the battlefield of good vs evil. We have no time to keep changing your diapers every time the wind blows a different direction and you soil yourself with each hissy fit.
So either get potty trained, get a pair of pull ups or just flat out piss yourself but whatever your freakin choice turns out to be, I repeat, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MY FOXHOLE!!!! WE HAVE A COUNTRY TO SAVE!
MAGA DAMMIT!
That was in the Defense bill he vetoed
Stop! So much winning hurts.
My opinion is he should have vetoed and let this horrid bill fall on Nancy and Mitch. I’d say more but I want to keep posting here.
“Upon transmission of such special message, the President may withhold certain funding in the affected accounts for up to 45 legislative session days.”
“The bill, containing all the pork, already carried a large veto-proof majority”
That’s not how I understood it. My understanding is that they didn’t send the bill to him until the 25th. So if he had just waited to the last day to veto it congress would not have had enough time to override before the current congress expires on Jan 3. Am I missing something?
Here is a link to what the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 is, which also contains a pdf link to the text of the bill:
https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/impoundment-control-act-1974-what-it-why-does-it-matter
Just scanning it quickly, it gives the President 45 days to not spend money Congress has approved; and since there will be a brand new Congress in less than 2 weeks, this is a pretty grand move by President Trump;
Wonder if Mick Mulvaney gave this idea to the President.
Yes I’m with you and add he CAN spend the initial $600 relief and other small business aids (things not redlined) while demanding they cut the pork. It’s worse than a veto proof bill..because they made the veto proof bill AND have to vote against redlining.
Just thinking out loud. This Law requires Congress to establish committees to review each of the redlined items the President highlights in his rescission letter.
It will be a brand new Congress in 2 weeks; not much time for the members of both houses to establish working committees to review each item before the end of this term. Once a term ends, aren’t all laws and bills and items under consideration deemed null and void and must be re-entered as if brand new in the next session?
I bet the rescission letter from the President still stands in effect during that change-over, requiring the new congress to pick up where the President left ’em sitting.
Now, if the President can get both houses to increase the $ to citizens during this next 2 week period, that would go a long way to ease some avoidable burdens to people. Right?
This is extremely disappointing. I see no upside in this action. The President should have vetoed it, explained his reasons to the citizens, and told Congress to send it back in the form he wants.
Trump has done many great things as President but not once has he put his foot down on spending. In the long run, fiscal ruin may negate all the good done.
The boldness and independence Trump showed in his first three years deserted him in 2020. I would have thought that on the way out, which to me his actions indicate he’s accepting, he would have reverted to form, giving his enemies the finger and igniting several bombs under DC.
Like hell it was veto proof. The outrage that my senators and reps caught last week had them backtracking already. How in the world do you know if it is veto proof if you never veto? The recission request is meaningless, there will no modification of 230, nothing but pork for foreign countries. Lyndsey Graham is going to make sure that Pakistani women can get bank accounts.
At this crucial, this was a huge kick in the nads.
No, the women have to wash the money before depositing it in Ms Lindsey’s bank account.
So basically, this porkulus bill will go unchanged because we know congress won’t change any of it. Call me cynical. ?
A Republic if you can keep it. So much for the keeping part of it.
There is no honor song thieves. So PDT wants the world and especially us to see it openly displayed.
https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/impoundment-control-act-1974-what-it-why-does-it-matter
Draining the swamp, my a$$. More tweets. More promises. From Sessions to Sullivan to Barr to Fauci to Mitch and Lindsey and Nunes, to Huber to Horowitz to Durham, to Georgia/Penn/Michigan and on and on. This term has been a failure to deliver on promises. Even the seemingly most straightforward promises are corrupted, convoluted and ultimately lost in translation. The swamp grows larger and more blatantly menacing by the freaking hour. Worse than ever. We’re gonna need a bigger boat.
I was labelled a TROLL for saying the exact thing. I’m sick and tired of his meaningless tweets. They are empty promises that mean zilch
The media will merely report that the president signed the bill. End of story.
President Trump, we have your six on the sixth.
Yes Ma’am!
And everyday leading up to…and after!
If the checks actually get sent, and you’re income eligible, I’d spend it on seeds, dry goods, ammo. Times are only going to get worse from here on out – might as well have food.
Also, don’t forget first aid, OTC and prescription medicines, vitamins, sleeping bags, camp stoves, etc.
Also fish antibiotics. Just as strong as prescription, but without the prescription.
Good luck with buying ammo.
I don’t recognise a lot of the posters discussing this. And weighing in heavily too.
Interesting.
BruceG – LIKE times a million!!!!!!
I am probably one you won’t recognize. I read here daily, not only posts but most all responses as well. Rarely have much to add to the conversation. But with this I felt compelled to toss my 2 cents in.
Exactly. An infiltration of gas lighters supreme !
I agree with you completely. Who are these people that act like they have been here forever? In the past I would always come here to see if whatever happened was good or bad. Now, there is no way to tell. I think I will go with my first thought, I’ll trust President Trump until I hear differently. We need a list of trolls and a list of treepers.
Good on you, Blue! No matter what happens, I’ll always know that PDJT did the best for our nation. He knows thing we can never possibly know. I am eternally grateful for his hard work and efforts and sacrifice!
Agreed ^
People who have been ‘regulars’ know the dynamics of the treehouse.
It’s quite easy to spot posters with ill intent.