Twice the Trump DOJ has asked the courts to permit the release of names associated with the case against Jeffrey Epstein and the victims of sex trafficking therein. Twice the courts have denied the Trump administration the ability to release the sealed Grand Jury records. [August 20th] and [July 23rd]
Most of the various victims of Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking operation have previously been paid victim compensation amid various lawsuits including a substantial $290 million financial settlement from JPMorgan Bank in 2023, one of the financial institutions used by Epstein. These lawsuits resulted in what has been reported as ‘various non-disclosure agreements’ (NDAs), which the victims signed.
After the DOJ and congress has released all of the available files, and with various courts refusing to break the seals on names and files within grand jury records, and against the background of multiple victims receiving considerable previous compensation, a group of Epstein victims held a press conference in Washington, DC today demanding the sealed names and NDA covered names be released.
The victims would not, most likely because they legally cannot, discuss the names; but they did say they would compile another private list of names of the people to whom they were trafficked. What the purpose of that private list would be is unknown. The entire thing now seems really weird. WATCH:
Some have claimed a comprehensive list of the names in grand jury files or prior lawsuits would include Donald Trump. However, it seems ridiculous to make that assertion given the profile of President Trump in 2016 and 2024.
If there was any risk to President Trump, the Clinton campaign would have exploited that vulnerability during the height of the MeToo movement in 2016. Assuredly, even without Clinton, the Kamala Harris campaign would have used that narrative in 2024. Neither political opposition effort ever engaged in such a claim.
The Occam’s Razor review of the current state of Epstein victims’ status, is one that points toward extortion. The victims having previously signed agreements, would be at legal risk to violate their various NDAs. However, for the purposes of structuring a political narrative, there are likely revenue sources willing to fund an ongoing victim narrative.
I suspect the lawyers representing the victims in the video (press conference) are likely compensated by the same entities who fund large domestic political operations. The “Republicans” who align with the intention of the efforts, seem to hold a commonality with the same financial interests behind former Republican candidate Ron DeSantis.
The victims now seem more akin to political operatives looking for some kind of secondary payday by maintaining a story they are not legally permitted to advance in specific ways.
The victim group continually says they will not name the people to whom they were trafficked, which is strange considering the high visibility of their performance and their obvious demand to release grand jury names that could be settled by their own statements releasing names. Additionally, their claims of imminent fear do not resonate truthfully against the backdrop of their quite happy presentation.
The DC event seems like a leverage game of sorts, with some financial benefit as the goal for the victims. For the DC politicians, perhaps a construct to position themselves for some electoral benefit. All of it rather unseemly.
There also appears to be a media management operation happening with the group. MSNBC appearance below:
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If an Epstein story was a threat to Trump, do you really think Clinton would have exhausted so much energy on fabricating Russia?
Think about it. Duh.
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) September 3, 2025
Eh, sorry but this is goofy. Why doesn't each victim just start by saying, "Hi, my name is XXX and I had sex with XXX".
No need for lists, just say who you had sex with. https://t.co/XLOSTZpQym
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) September 3, 2025
Witnesses in a federal grand jury proceeding are not bound to secrecy regarding their oral testimony….and if they name the miscreant publicly would face exposure to a defamation action (civil) but not penal liability for disclosing the name. Only records before the GJ are covered.
So…….. They’re making a list. Checking it twice but not gonna say who’s been naughty or nice.
All you need to know is that this was an MSNBC management group operation!
Yes, and don’t think TDS would just cease in a victim group. A considerable portion of the democrats in the group would be psychopathically trying to link Trump to the scandal.
I would concur that had Hillard Clinton in ’16 or Plugs Biden in ’20 any Epstein stink on PDJT, they’d have used it then. I likewise don’t know what specific angle our press-conferencers today are working. I will assert this: With all that observers as diverse as Mike Benz and Ari Ben-Menashe have reported on Epstein’s doings, there _has_ to be some measure of there there, and if Massie can hairlip his good friends at Aay Aye PAC by exposing those doings, then so it goes.
Well, we’ll see – boot in backside or egg on face:
Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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BREAKING: Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) announces he and Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) are seriously considering naming the “Epstein list NAMES” on the House floor under their Constitutional “speech or debate” immunity – because the victims could get sued for doing it themselves.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1963393722344948143
Well, THAT would be interesting!
Its becoming like the MeToo movement
co-opted
It will be crap like this non stop from the Dems…
These victims had 4 years to make these requests during the Sleepy Joe Show.
So why didn’t they make these requests then? This whole thing has a stench to it.
@Sundance or anyone who can answer this:
I’m a bit clueless here.
Q:
Can you explain how MTG fits into that description? Could you share some examples of the NDAs that those specific victims signed? After all they stated their full names at the presser if I’m not mistaken. Wouldn’t it be a PR desaster for them if it came out that they received a huge sum as compensation without mentioning that within their speeches?
I’m not criticizing here, just seriously curious and a bit confused about it. Also, why doesn’t Trump get more specific, instead of just sticking to that rediculous “hoax” narrative, without explanation of its content and background?
MTG is playing both sides as a self-preservation tactic for 2026 and 2028.
I am actually surprised more Republicans haven’t started doing this.
Look it up yourself.
This naive shit is the only reason these ops keeps going on.
I’m pretty sure this specific article has hyperlinks to get you started
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
JUST IN: The attorney for Epstein victims confirms that Donald Trump helped his clients back in 2009. Yet another blow to the left-wing media’s narrative.
Video linked…
Passwords required?
How do I get a password???
Supposedly I have a “weak” password but I can’t seem to change it…very confusing.
I would search for pancake recipes should be a mention there
Went down that rabbit hole there are literally thousands of possibilities. I tried a few Menagerie, Exsultet, HeisRisen, @Menagerie, etc. Waste of time. Sent a note to @reagan
Email Sundance and ask for it. The email os at the top of the page.
Posting the password here would defeat the purpose of protecting the information. It is not your password. Email the site Admins.
The people asking for the password are the exact people SD is trying to keep out.
You can find it if you Google password and conservative treehouse. Unfortunately it is not as secure as is thought.
it was never given out, you have to figure it out, once you do its obvious.
It’s given out regularly, last time was two days ago.
I’ll just say it:
w o l v e r i n e s
Remove spaces.
The attorney at the press conference clearly said that President Trump had helped him with court cases and told him where he might look to help his investigation. The attorney said he could not understand why President Trump felt it was a hoax and hoped he would go back to helping the victims.
This attorney is not the first to say this about President Trump (Mr. Trump at the time). President Trump also helped the Justice Department in the past directing them where they might go for information.
What I think is going on is that Massie and Dems started this in an attempt to smear President Trump. Victims so far have said that President Trump was not part of the abuse. This is being ignored by the press.
I am with President Trump, the Dems, knowing that Judges will not unseal information push forward anyway. The longer they keep up this harassment to release the documents going, the longer they detract from the revelations of Russiagate and spygate.
To my mind the abused victims are being used again but I do not blame them wanting justice for the crimes perpetrated against them. My heart goes out to them. This needs to be addressed openly and as soon as possible.
I don’t think they are being abused again. Remember they all got huge settlements… Millions. They took the money and signed away. Now they are back …you can’t have it both ways.
Greed is forever .. whatever washes. Tedious and ugly as always.
A whileback Massie said he was planning to ring victims forward. A TDS grandstander. Khanna is no better.
I think what Trump means when he says this current brouhaha about Epstein is a hoax is that he means the efforts to tie him to Eptstein’s crimes is a hoax. Trump has never said he doubts Epstein’s guilt.
Then he needs express what he means because it’s not coming out that way. I think he has some donor conflicts that he would rather be exposed by others than himself.
This is DC and SUNDANCE has it correct.
“Private List” Compiled by Victims = Materials to be LEAKED
Each Name on the List = Potential Target of Extortion …. if LEAKS occurs.
Want your name left off the lists leaked … contact 1-800-EXTORTION or https:www.EXTORTION.org … our lawyers are waiting by the phones and terminals for your contributions. Repeat as needed.
A name appearing on a list opens the publisher to defamation charges and possibly to extortion. The named individual would likely be subjected to threats, protests and their families doxxed.
Not a good idea.
Formal charges by a prosecutor are one thing, but public airing of names is very risky and may even interfere with potential future prosecutions.
The slut DC is willing to pay for all legal cost.
Google the laws about defamation They vary state by state
See Tony Buzbee
https://people.com/sean-diddy-combs-accusers-lawyer-says-hotline-victims-calls-8724401
When potus Trump says #EpsteinGate is a hoax, he’s correct…NeverTrumps/Commiecrats want to continue to smear him….and imo, Republicans are promoting the smear.
Where were the victims 4yrs ago?
And, i do not remember Trump ever campaigning at rallys or the hundreds of interviews ever talk @about Epstein…never saw a rally in @EpsteinGate…Dems are using these victims like they use blacks
Along with them using Masshole and MTG.
Perzactly. President Trump did not campaign on releasing any “files”. They all know darn well he is not saying what happened to these women is a hoax but pretenders gotta pretend. Liars gotta lie. The faux outrage crowd gotta faux outrage.
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Thread re Massie referenced:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1963296367046001001.html
Thanks for posting this….
I have caught on to Massie but taking money from Bill Gates (through his son Rory Gates) floored me. He is just another RINO to be primaried…
Massie didn’t invite influencers to the White House over this issue. Trump continuously drops the ball on this.
Listen to the the lawyer yesterday that said Trump tried to help in 2009 and knew the seriousness of the situation. His people have botched this. But for the president, it just continues to be a distraction that is why he is pissed. And he is right, no matter what is released, the democratic jackals won’t be satisfied.
Yep he rapes.kids right
They want the government to release the names because if they name the abusers, they won’t get to keep the money they got for signing the NDA’s.
Most likely, but someone is organizing, managing, and giving them perks to do this event.
New Downhill artillery says vitims’ ;awyer has shut down talk of a list. You betcha. Sadly hack politicians Massie and Khanna are exploiting these women…
Townhall article
Jeffrey Epstein Victims’ Lawyer Shuts Down Talk of a ‘List’
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/dmitri-bolt/2025/09/03/jeffrey-epstein-victims-lawyer-theres-not-a-list-n2662716
Everyone with common sense and a brain has known this for a long time.
USAID is gone; they need funds- exploitation scheme initiated.
Thank you for your wisdom and insight!
Makes sense!
These women, not little girls anymore, received a large financial settlement already. If I was a victim, I would want to move on with my life at this point, and not be on t.v. for all the world to see. Just sayin. Are we going to see them again when they are all grannies?
I suspect many of them made a poor choice as minors to capitalize on their youth and sex appeal. That is not their fault and they did deserve better protection, but the tearful presentations are almost embarrassing at this point.
According to their lawyer, there are these women who just want to move on. They were not at the conference today.
What would keep one or more of these women, working at the behest of he DNC, Obama, Holder, etc, from falsely accusing TVSGPDJT? Mission accomplished. The remainder of his term would be Russiagate 2.0, preventing cleaning up the swamp, investigating and prosecuting, etc., and eventual total legacy destruction. Can you think of anything the left (and especially those already exposed, e.g. Obama), would love more than to see Trump destroyed in ignominy.
Nobody with a functioning brain would ever believe it .
The operative words in your statement are, “…a functioning brain…”
Wrong. Half the population would wet their pants in glee.
the announcement of ‘new list’ is an empty threat and will be subject for lawsuit…another smear campaign by demonrats. Massie is a dissappointment. Primary that SOBs.
And in 2022 the US Virgin Islands settled with the estate of Epstein for $ 105 million plus half of the proceeds from selling Epstein’s Little St. James island. The US Virgin Island attorney general stated “I am pleased that earlier this year, the fund and its independent administrator awarded nearly $125 million to approximately 150 women abused by Epstein, satisfying all of the victims’ claims under the compensation program.”
I may wrong, but I am pretty sure if any of those girls signed an NDA they can’t name the person to anyone (not MTG or Massie).
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Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
BREAKING: Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) announces he and Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) are seriously considering naming the “Epstein list NAMES” on the House floor …
Cont….
Why wouldn’t they just do it in a press conference? Are they shielded from slander when they are on the house floor?
They should not be able to use their congressional positions as a shield from laws everyone else has to follow.
Yes they are shielded from slander when speaking in the house floor. And libel if they distribute documents fir the congress critters to read
It’s like they want to slander people. They are both revolting people.
They want the headlines. They want the fame. They can do it on the House floor with no accountability. Just like harry reid did to willard romney.
Just like Adam Schiff. We’ve seen this game before, however, a different play has been called and they sent inna different personnel package.
Oh, I think they will get headlines and maybe even a little fame, but perhaps not the kind they are/were looking for.
They are perfectly keeping the dem voters distracted from the kamala Biden fiasco and everything else.
And it’s working
The “victims” (who seem more like extortionists) can be sued if they break the terms of the NDA’s which they signed. Giving the “list” to Massie is as much a violation of the NDA as giving it to Rachel Maddow.
Soooo what.
People are ready to pay their legal fees.
Find a real argument
My sympathy for the victims is long gone. They were paid well for something they weren’t forced to do. Where were their parents when they were going away on these trips?
LIZ CROKIN
@LizCrokin
Here’s Names Of POTENTIAL Jeffrey Epstein Clients, Co-Conspirators &/Or Accomplices!
Here’s a list of names of potential clients, or accomplices or co-conspirators of Jeffry Epstein you rarely hear about. I compiled this list from open source records including court records, old media reports, flight logs and the Epstein black book that clearly show at the minimum these people were associates or friendly with Epstein. I gave a speech exposing these names — you can watch it in the video in the tweet below👇🏻 — over two and a half years ago!
Cont…
Flash from the past:
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Epstein survivors secure a $290 million settlement with JPMorgan Chase
Excerpt:
“We all now understand that Epstein’s behavior was monstrous, and we believe this settlement is in the best interest of all parties, especially the survivors, who suffered unimaginable abuse at the hands of this man,” JPMorgan said in a statement sent to NPR.
“Any association with him was a mistake and we regret it. We would never have continued to do business with him if we believed he was using our bank in any way to help commit heinous crimes.”
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/12/1181675580/epstein-jane-doe-1-290-million-settlement-jpmorgan-chase
Why does that absolve the victims who already got paid and settled their cases and agreed to an nda? Isn’t telling the two House clowns the information and them releasing the names breaking tha NDA anyway?
Seriously, way too much time is being spent on this issue. Massie is being vengeful because Trump dissed him and I’m not sure what MTG has going on with wanting to keep pushing on the whole “release” mantra. Get over it and move on to real business that helps the country for goodness sakes. I could not care less about Epstein and his corrupt ways any more. This sounds like a ‘more money for me’ grab by these victims.
Move on, please.
He has always been a disappointed and fought the president in his first term. She is becoming a bigger disappointment.
Trump stepped in it when he called it a “hoax”. And he keeps doing it. Everything happening now with this issue is just self-inflicted. He had nothing to do with it, but yet he carried water for it.
Why?
It baffles me even till today.
Hoax = news story that was only unearthed after 4 years while autopen sat on everything.
Because it is a hoax.
Exactly! Everyone was silent for 4 years! Now it’s non stop!
Ty for standing up and not yielding to these lost people.
Obama creating this can’t speak up reality is why we are where we are
To encourage the focus and spotlight of media
What these already paid victims are being coerced into doing is a hoax. It’s ridiculous and they’re supposed to keep their mouths shut according to their settled cases. Yet here they are being encouraged by lawfare and discontented revenge seeking Congress people to break their NDA in as sneaky a way as possible to get it out there. Hope they get sued up the wazoo.
Because it is a hoax! These victims were fine without making a list public the 4 years Biden was president and the Democrats and some Republicans never talked about revealing so called list for years. Trump is president and suddenly this is so important.The private list will be leaked and it will be full of fabricated details just like Russia hoax.All meant to hurt Trump and help Democrats win midterms.
As I said, we’ve already watched this game.
He’s referring to there being a list, FFS, I swear, why are people so darn gullible and dense.
It’s called logic, critical thinking….Lord, please 🙏 keep my tongue from lashing out.
“He’s referring to there being a list, FFS, I swear, why are people so darn gullible and dense.”
Unfortunately, by using the word “hoax” with no further clarification, President Trump is giving an opportunity to those who are against him to use his own word/
response against him. IMHO, this gives them the opportunity to push their narrative that he is guilty of something.
Wake up!!!
They don’t need an excuse to attack us
Wow… I am awake… that’s why I made the comment I did! I know that they don’t need an excuse to attack President Trump or us/his supporters.
President Trump has often, and at his MANY rallies I have attended, commented about the media et al taking him out of context, misrepresenting what he has said, etc. So, IMHO, saying the existence of a list is a hoax is a better choice of words than it’s a hoax which implies the broader context of a hoax.
IMHO, you can’t unmoron a moron.
They aren’t gullible.
They hate you and Mamet themselves
Logic, critical thinking? They have those nowadays?/sarc
Touché.
And just like that, democrats and Trump haters care about the victims of sex trafficking,
Unless they are poor migrant children trafficked by cartels. They don’t care about them.
joe rogan loves illegal children picking his pot plants
Or woman/girls raped and murdered by illegals.
BINGO!!!
Yes, interesting isn’t it?
It seems fairly apparent that there will be one paid lunatic, installed and paid for, that will scream Trump. No one will remember her, she’ll be a newcomer. Think Brett Kavanaugh, Stormy Daniels, E. Jean Carroll paid lawfare stunts. It will then be used to stop any and all MAGA advancements and tie him up the rest of the Presidency. Why would the Dims be pressing so hard on this issue? Could be used during the 2026 elections along with the Dems last dollar to win back impressionable voters. Also, watch for the Tariffs to be undermined by Roberts. These two points will end the Presidency and permit chaos. Just thinking like a Dim and their reprehensible previous actions and Roberts comments on the Tariff issue. Hope I’m wrong and half of Congress is brought to light.
They’re after RFKjr big time too. He is being slammed by the left right before he releases the proof vaccines are linked to autism.
I heard this from Thomas Massie’s mouth tonight on Newsmax’s Rob Schmitt, that Congress and the Trump DOJ is protecting Republican Billionaire Donors whose names are on the list.
I don’t believe that , not even a little bit.
Sounds like the r donors told him to hit the road.
MAGA is going to be split in two. MAGA and MAGA Light.
Nonsense , only the dumbest of the dumb think Trump was involved in any way shape or form with Epstein Island.
Last week it was “Trump” dead or “Trump” has heart disease or “Trump” is dying. Guess those did not work either…
Democrats always looking for material. While this is a sad story the victims are being used. If Gloria Allred is involved it’s another Blakey Ford affair.
just look at the state funeral of Maxwells dad. attended by 4 current and former Mossad heads. In a very special cemetery for the elite only.
that might give you a big clue folks.
Is MTG a sell out? Poser? Possibly. Anyone know the exact time they thought she was good? Maybe during uncertainly and COVID and you seen a gal shooting a gun ad running for some political position? When our freedoms were being stripped away. Kind of like DeSantis being the “good” Governor state.
NOT a poser!
She slept with McCarthy
She is a …
So easy for the people who run on dopamine hits to just throw people under the bus over one disagreement. Don’t you have to sell out to someone? Who is that person?
You have a republican conference that should be voting into law all these EOs, but just sits around doing nothing.
Uniparty.
Acting like you never read this website
I hope the young women who were victims go ahead and make their list and release it.
President Trump has once more triggered Democrats with “Epstein Hoax.”
Soon, the DNC will find themselves in violation of the US Constitution & subject to monetary penalties.
Trump’s already collected $15 million from ABC and $65 million from CBS.
As Dirty Harry would say, “A man’s gotta know his limitations.”
MTG and that jerk congressman and anti trumper were there.
Nicolle Wallace is wearing this story like a tight pair of panties and she won’t change panties. Every single day it’s Epstein, Epstein, Epstein when for many years you didn’t hear a peep from the Democrats about Epstein.
She is such a catch.
MeToo, MeToo… Ghislaine Maxwell cleared President Trump in her interview. These girls simply got paid for a hand sexual massage. Surely this has never happened before in the history of the oldest profession. To provide and example, the current First Lady of California, Mrs Newsom, did more with Harvey Weinstein for a movie role although already nubile.
this is a partisan issue, remind me of the Russia Russia. Hoax
These women are similar to the women connected to Diddy and Weinstein. Yes, the men are disgusting perverts but the women were willing to do anything to get ahead until they didn’t get ahead. The underage stuff is criminal but other than that it’s just the world’s oldest profession.
Literally only one girl was underage. And that story is complicated
Politicans?
Any of these victims could be paid by the democrats to lie and say Trump was there or they had sex with Trump. Could totally derail the Trump presidency. All they need is a Blasey-Ford type female with her hand out.
Agree with you. Unfortunately, that could be the Demonrats plan.
All anyone has to do to figure out this is some kind of agendized set up
is knowing this.
The person that is representing everyone here is……… Gloria Allred.
WHEN has anybody ever seen her pop up with any remotely purity of purpose.
Oh, and Gloria’s a month early. Her surprises are always in October.
I only want to know who funded Epstein’s blackmail organization. Who was he working for, and what were their objectives? That is the coverup that is underway.
There wasn’t a blackmail organization. Read the 943 unsealed documents that were released in early 2024. The Epstein story that we have been hearing about for years is not true. I’m not sure how this story got so sensationalized, but the facts and interviews with the victims show it is not even close to anything we have been told. Read the documents.
I very much doubt the middle and high school girls who did the sex work were privy to Epstein’s other than teen sex operations
Please…hasn’t this been washed enough that we can finally move on to the next conspiracy? Or maybe move back to one of the more interesting conspiracies like “UFO’s.”
I have solid proof the moon landing was filmed in a secret studios located on a deer trail in the hills of Bel Air la ca
Isn’t the problem with the “list” that it doesn’t distinguish between actual “clients” and his favorite IT guy. How is it different from a usual contact list that everyone has on their phone?
I don’t understand any of this. These women were all over the legal age of consent at the time of the sexual acts, which is 16 in most states (except for sex with authority figures, which is 18). Epstein did not meet the definition of an authority figure. They were also paid for each sexual act. This was not pedophilia.
They were prostitutes, not children. They have each received multi million dollar settlements and are posing as “victims.” This has been blown up way beyond reality.
Greg Kelly showed the actual dates this happened. Epstein was first arrested in the early 2000’s. There were no accusations after that. Ghillain Maxwell was charged for crimes up to the late 90’s. Isn’t there statute of limitations? Why was Epstein even arrested by Bill Barr for crimes already prosecuted in the early 2000’s? There is a questionable history between the Barr family and Epstein. Did Bill Barr put him in prison to shut Epstein up? Something isn’t right here.
What is wrong with these congress critters? Are MTG and Lauren Bobert dumb? Don’t they know how many times the President has called for release of files? I see one of the “victims” was trying to involve the President in this mess by claiming he was friends with Epstein. The President was the only one in the Palm Beach society who cooperated with the investigation of Epstein.
The stupid Republicans are working to help the democrats win Congress in 2026 by continuing this farce.
Many were under 16 such as the 12 year old triplets. The age of consent varies from 16 to 18. You need to ask Google the difference between age of consent and prostitution. It is illegal to commit an act of prostitution to ask coerce order anyone into an act of prostitution aka pimping and procuring and paying anyone for an act of prostitution the customer. That’s the law whatever your opinion
You’re totally wrong. There are no NDA’s preventing the “victims” from naming the “perpetrators.” The only thing that is stopping the “victims” from naming the “perpetrators” isa fear of being sued for libel.
Why they can’t just say “My name is XXX and I had sex with XXX”? If the list is just a list of names and not a list of victims and the people who victimized that victim, then it will be much easier to smear someone. If the list provided who made the allegation, the person could defend themself if they are innocent. Who does the deep state want gone?
Puppets for the democrats, the republicans.
I do agree, if Trump were in any of the Epstein evidence it would have released long ago. Bad Trump drives the news cycle, over and over again.
The republicans are in a bad spot politically. People are demanding answers. The government is not very good and providing accurate, true, answers to public demands.
The end game, I do not have a clue regarding Epstein. He’s dead, dead people do not provide answers.
The progressives threatened bribed then to name Trump and Vance..although Vance was in high school the military college and law school while all this was going on in Florida and pervert island.
This is a shakedown.
Why should jpmorgan bank care if the victims disclose names of the pedos? It’s not like jp morgan would be at further liability , they paid for their misdeeds. Seems like political pressure or a boycott might be able to pry a release of the NDAs out of them