Everything, and I do mean e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g, that comes from the mouth of Hamas’ Al-Qassam Brigades spokesperson Abu Obaida, should be viewed through the prism of extremist propaganda. Hamas is doing and saying everything possible to manipulate media and create pressure on Israel in advance of the ground invasion.
That said, Abu Obaida is claiming that “at least” 250 hostages were taken during the terrorist attack on October 7th, yet some of the hostages were not taken by official Hamas groups, but by other members of the Palestinian resistance who crossed the border behind Hamas to retrieve hostages “for their own purposes.”
The number of non-Hamas hostages is claimed to be around 50, possibly more, and they were likely abducted for pathological purposes, ie. torture for fun and Palestinian enjoyment, community abuse to be recorded for celebratory purposes, public rape and sex slavery, along with other forms of horrific human degradation. [If any of these people are factually still alive, they would likely be better off dead.]
Abu Obaida is claiming that Hamas officially has 200 hostages, and “some” of them are foreign nationals. They are willing to release the “foreign nationals” unconditionally when passage is safe. This “foreign nationals” part of the claim appears intended to target the international community of public opinion – to put pressure on Israel to back off.
Richard Engel (MSNBC) has a video report here. Although, I would caution you to review this narrative with extreme cynicism. Time Magazine has also reviewed the Abu Obaida video statement, and their review/analysis is below:
(GAZA – Newsweek) – The spokesperson for Hamas’ military wing has announced that the group is prepared to release non-Israeli prisoners among at least 200 people in custody once their safety could be guaranteed amid ongoing Israeli airstrikes against the Gaza Strip.
Speaking in a 10-minute video published Monday, Al-Qassam Brigades spokesperson Abu Obaida said that, while he could not provide an exact count of the number of people seized in the shocking Palestinian air, land and sea assault conducted on October 7, he estimated the total figure to be “between 200 and 250, or exceeding that.”
“The Al-Qassam Brigades has about 200 prisoners and the rest are distributed among other components of the resistance or in places in which we cannot count them,” Abu Obaida said.
He stated that 22 prisoners have been killed so far in Israeli airstrikes, but that the group was treating all those taken fairly.
“We deal with prisoners according to the dictates of the teachings of our religion,” Abu Obaida said. “Their care is required by moral and humanitarian duty. They eat what we eat, they drink what we drink, and they live under the same conditions as all the people in Gaza.”
He said that among the captives were those of “different nationalities” that could not be verified in full as a result of the ongoing wartime conditions.
“They are our guests we seek to protect them and the moment the conditions on the ground allow we will release them,” Abu Obaida said. (read more)
SHOCKER! Islamic extremism apologist, MSNBC, actually is reporting the truth about documents found on dead terrorists’ bodies that shows Hamas targeted the most innocent of victims – children
The first directive was to take hostages, and the second was to kill as many civilians as possible. Instructions included the targeting of schools – there was the old Da’at School, the new Da’at School, and a youth center that they were told to search first. Dining halls and dental offices were marked on these maps as targets, as well.
These people are sub humans and should be dispatched as soon as possible. Islam in ANY form should be eradicated and banished from ever re-surfqcing
They are taught to not have respect for life, either theirs or others and above all victim retribution.
Close, but understated. Islam teaches glory in martyrdom for its cause. Islam finds joy in sacrificial death for Allah, not in life as civilized peoples do. It is truly a death cult. A reading of Islamic scholarly commentaries confirms this.
And by the way, libs, stop pretending that Allah is the same god as the God of Christianity or of the Jews. Allah is as far from our God as the east is from the west.
Allah is not a “god” but a fallen angel. Islam is a counterfeit version of Judean Christianity.
“Judean Christianity”? That’s an oxymoron.
Well, we all know who that “fallen angel” is…..
1 major problem with those NBC docs. Hamas attacked early morning on Saturday Oct 7th.
Saturday is Sabbath, The day of rest, in Israel. All schools, Public buildings, many business are closed.
Why would Hamas attack empty schools?
Not defending Hamas, or what the Palestinians did.
But doubting MSN reports. Too much fake news these days to trust anything without question.
Exactly! That has been reported in several articles. Schools are closed and no children are in daycare on Saturdays. It’s just common sense.
No common sense in media. They think everyone is as stupid as they are and will drink the Kool-aid.
They wanted to find the children at home, so they could get more kills with one bullet.
And you know the terrorists so well that you can accurately predict their thinking? BTW, that “40 Decapitated Babies Murdered By Hamas” has been debunked. So, why should anyone give any more credence to the lies coming from Satanyahoo?
Using rhe word “debunked” marks you as a useful idiot (at least 99% of the time.) Let’s suppose to give you some extra rope, it was only 21 babies decapitated ? Would that be ok with you ? I think you don;t care one way or another. I urge you to go back to your bunk, suck on your thumb, and caress your blankie. Leave sane commentary to the adults. Please.
MSM has lied to us about the “virus”, the “vaccine”, “winter of sickness and death”, “climate emergency”, “Ukraine NAZI’s”, etc. So, why should we start believing their “narrative” now?
Israel let it happen so they could go to war.
Try this theory instead. The US/western intelligence agencies knew what was about to happen, and did not warn Israel. THEY wanted this to happen, to remove attention from Ukraine. That’s a lot more logical than assuming that Israel wanted its children and civilians tortured by Islamic forces.
Well then if true “US/western intelligence agencies” are more sick, perverted and twisted than even Hamas! Allowing innocent Israeli civilians especially women, children and babies to be slaughtered to distract from the war in Ukraine is evil incarnate and beyond my comprehension!!! If proven true those who prevented the intel from getting to Israel’s IC should be shot on sight! JMO
The Biden administration has put pro Iranian people into various positions in government and intelligence. It is no secret that Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood. Even western media reports on this: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/tehran-times-classified-documents-leak-investigation-robert-malley/675480/
Iran has not one thing to do with Hamas. But Israel does. And it will be Israel which will paythe greatest price–but Satanyahoo sacrificed his people to the Beast Jab, anyway. He cares nothing for his own people. He was about to be booted, too:
On the other hand, MSDNC didn’t give a care about East Palestine, Illinois. So, why should their opinion matter now to Sundance?
First, Netanyahu was not about to ‘be booted’, but rather to lose an opinion in Israel’s Supreme Court. Learn to actually research, rather than regurgitate what you are hearing on the internet. And that includes dialogue from Nap, as well. Iran funds and supplies weapons to Hamas. It has been confirmed (even by Iran) that it is beyond amazing that you refuse to believe it.
As scary as your theory is I wouldn’t discount it
The IDF was told to stand down by SOMEONE, for seven hours! That’s what economist Rafi Farber stated the day after. And, of course, Egypt warned Israel.
Anyone in the military will tell you that you cannot send ground troops immediately into an area. Period. They need plans, munitions, strategy, support equipments, etc., which takes hours.
And destroy what ‘Rafi Farber’ has said, the Egyptian government has advised that they did NOT warn Israel.
I like this 2nd theory better than the first. As I have posited in other posts, I believe the Ukraine thing is about done. No more money laundering possible – certainly not on the scale the Uni-party has grown accustomed to. The Uniparty doesn’t care about Jews. They care about the big money they can skim from huge (non-audited) armament sales. Has ALWAYS been thus.
Consider that Hamas was planning broadly not having yet selected the day and time. Makes more sense than suggesting that Israel attacked itself as a reason to attack Hamas.
The useful idiots have entered the chat…
A bit arrogant considering all of this is possible. If you are you so much smarter why don’t you offer your countervailing concepts instead of just name calling. Lacking that you’re the useful idiot because you are just denigrating a useful discussion of ideas. Really Dumb people discuss and concentrate on material things smarter people discuss people, relationships and science. The smartest are consumed by IDEAS.
Thanks for announcing your presence.
Notice that their (MSNBC) Slogan is “This is Who We Are?” LOL!
American Christians lose their sense of reason when anything Islamic and/or Jewish comes up.
Yes, that is looking an awful lot like “planted” info, and poorly done, at that.
Smells like C-I-A, because it is poorly done.
Perhaps they expected to sustain the attack for multiple days. Sunday makes entry easier.
One can only surmise that Google Earth played a significant – if unintended – role in the planning of this attack.
Likely, but so what. Information is sought from any source for such things.
I think you have a sticky bold key
of course this could be a classic way of getting rid of biden….
anythings possible with these idiots
There is no peace in Hamas ideology. Subjugated, brutalization, mutilation, murder. Everything is ugly in this cult.
I don’t quite agree. The ideology itself claims to look forward to a time of “peace” after all people are converted and no longer disagree because all things are decided by a fascist Cadre of religious goons. The problem is their definition of peace and how to achieve it. It’s a wonderful religion for uneducated morons and wannabe Nazis.
Put this in a few Huey’s. Make a few runs over Hamas leader’s neighborhoods.
Dillon Mfg mini-gun. Mike Dillon started his career in the 1960’s making reloading machines. Dillon Mfg is the only maker of the famous mini-gun for DOD use. His grandson put this rig together for fun. Uses a WWII M45 quad mount, originally designed to hold four M2HB (“Ma Deuce”) .50 caliber machine guns. The M45’s travel arcs are powered byan onboard, gasoline powered generator behind the shooter’s perch. Motorcycle like bars with hand controls make the unit turn circularly (windage) and elevate (elevation).
3,000 rounds/minute per gun = 12,000 rounds/minute total. Dillon brought 39,000 rounds of 4:1 ball trace to this shoot. That’s 1 tracer after every 4 non-trace rounds on the belt. That means there’s four unseen bullets between every visible tracer round.
Hamas leaders are NOT in Gaza. They are in Qatar
CAN * YOU * READ !?
I did NOT SAY make a run over GAZA.
I said over “Hamas * leader’s * neighborhoods”
And SIX OTHER NON READERS agreed with this schmoke!
PAY ATTENTION, PEOPLE, AND READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND!!!!
If only that old creepy pervert cared as much for the East Palestinians.
Benjamin Netanyahu has said, “If you are Hamas, you are DEAD!” The Lion of Judah has been turned loose in the Middle East and GAZA is just the beginning for the enemies of ISRAEL! These events have proven that negotiation and compromise do not exist in the lexicon of Muslim thinking. EVERY hostage who does not survive will forever be immortalized when this current Holocaust is avenged!!!
Netanyahu and ISRAEL must stand firm from this point forward and say to the WORLD, if you harm a Jew you are DEAD, Individually OR Collectively! THIS IS NOT NEGOTIABLE EVER!
Time to ‘pave paradise and put up a parking lot’.
Well said…Red!
I reject any narrative from any MSM source. I also reject the dominant social media sources. I’ve got my own sources (including CTH) and will use my own knowledge of Israel and the region to try to understand what’s going on.
I have not listened to the MSM for a long time. They are bought by the DEMS. All it took for me was to see some of these so called journalist on a plane with Hitlery Clinton gushing all over her.
No, the are owened by the globalist money powers and the Dems are as well. Therefore the are simpatico
Viva CTH!!
Likely while Hamas is playing a PR game to delay a ground invasion of Gaza, Israel is already deeply entrenched inside Gaza doing surveillance and picking off known terrorists one at a time.
They’re deeply entrenched, all right. Hamas, is the Hebrew accent in the Arab world.
Zzzzz….
Well,…. since Iran got $ 6 Billion from Neville Chamberlain Joe for only 5 hostages, Hamas must think Biden has opened the Bank of the USA and will lay out Large to them for our American hostages now. Can’t blame’em, eh?.
“Heck of a Job, Joey”,… teaching Hamas how to go to the bank Bigly with terror and violent mass murder.
Get the Hook, Joe’s time on stage is Over now! The MSM can’t save his bacon,… America has seen too much failure now.
OMG! Biden is going to Israel. Between Hamas and Israel we’re going to be taken to the cleaners for sure!
$100 Billion each to Israel, Palestine and Ukraine!
Question is…Is Israel going to Survive till Trump is in Power AGAIN in the USA?
Benjamin N. MAY have to use Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal in order to Survive!
Hamas in their own words
Nothing has changed in the 14 years since this video was released.
Except Israel always funded them, along with Qatar (a U.S. proxy). Prime Minister Olmert admitted it in 2008! https://www.sott.net/article/283400-Israel-funding-Hamas-Olmert-admits
Zzzzz….
It is very simple. Hamas is responsible for all of them,and will either produce them or suffer the consequences.
How could “Hamas” kidnap anyone? Hamas para-glided in (without being shot down, I would point out). How would they have the means to kidnap anybody? Gaza has its checkpoints monitored constantly (allegedly) by the Mossad, IDF, and Israeli soldiers. As well as Egypt. The “hostages” are not in Gaza–unless Hamas “magicked” a portal through a ton of brick and the IDF missed it. Also–Israel is blowing up Gaza, with no mercy. Apparently, the IDF doesn’t care about Western hostages or their own colleagues.
Another lie, debunked.
Zzzzz….
Time for Israel to seek God’s guidance for wisdom and resolve.
You cannot negotiate with savages. You cannot negotiate with those who only want your complete and utter destruction.
El Shaddai, bless the leadership of Israel and her military with wisdom, discernment and resolve.
Amen
It’s not us, it’s the other guys.
A bunch of fat, middle-aged and old men. Bastards, all.
Hmmm
We know where the Palestinian Leadership living in Doha, Qatar, are…..
Hmmm
Why can’t the Israelis send a shock troop in and seize some hostages too?
Some Qataris too while they are at it.
More the merrier.
might be on the planning table
but they’ve got priority business to conduct there in Gaza, I reckon
True nimrodman.
The Israeli’s live their whole lives watching and watching and watching their enemies.
They are probably the best in the world at war strategy and hve not wasted much time in planning what to do about this brutal attack.
First things first.
Not a lot of difference between the TALIBAN, and HAMAS,….
And PDJT knew EXACTLY how to deal with the Taliban; “But why, oh why do you show me a picture of my house?”
The truth lies somewhere in the middle….or does it. Who controls the news and why all of a sudden does everybody believe the “corporate/MSMedia”??
I’m still siding with Suspicious Cat until further notice.
It is wise to be a Suspicious Cat and investigate the many paths to enlightenment
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861
Why won’t the Jews just let themselves be killed?
Nothing better captures the moral decay of our woke elites than their haughty disdain for the State of Israel.
EVERYTHING Israel does-EVERYTHING-is labelled a WAR CRIME by the lefty scumbags
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/10/16/why-wont-the-jews-just-let-themselves-be-killed/
Many years ago, I was talking to a friend about Israel. It was during another time of unrest.
I agreed with whatever Israel was doing and the friend said it was wrong.
So I asked – what should Israel do? Of course, the only answer was ‘not this’. I kept pushing for an answer, but there was none.
The photo of Hamas leaders, looks like a murderous pedophile gang. If Mossad is as fantastic as the say, they should go get them and bring them back Israel for a trial/public hanging, for the world to see.
No more messing around with these pigs.
“They are our guests we seek to protect them”
It’s easy to accept Trump’s statement that Hamas is “smart” with respect to their military strategy, but this one requires people to swallow their pride a bit. Hamas is smart enough to realise treating their hostages well has strategic value. It’s tempting for people eager to carpet-bomb Gaza to dismiss the claims, but it’s in Hamas’s best interests, and that of their hostages, to treat them well.
For their sake, I hope they do. (And various videos uploaded to social media suggest it is).
They don’t have to treat them well, only let them barely survive.
But then we haven’t seen any proof of life pics or videos either, have we?
They could all be dead and we wouldn’t know.
Everything that is being said by Hamas AND Israel is mostly propaganda ..
We must get the heck out of there.. take the money out. That will slow things down… period.
Have you notice how the American corporatist propaganda machine is pushing for War!
https://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/10/what-hamas-was-really-out-to-do.html?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Daniel+Greenfield+Article%3A+Students+for+Justice+in+Palestine+Cheers+Hamas+Crimes+at+Colleges+Across+U_S_&utm_campaign=20231015_m176508548_Daniel+Greenfield+Article%3A+%28post_title%29&utm_term=What+Hamas+Was+Really+Out+To+Do
It is early yet, in this latest event, and with the advent of Trump time, we have seen it is best to wait, and see how things “shake out” over time….
However, this is beginning to have the feel of a miscalculation, on the part of our enemies, as if its not going quite the way they intended, and they are starting to lose control.
Lets see what happens,…
Hamas reminds me of the Azov in certain ways. Strange that public opinion views them differently. We are sympathetic to Donbass civilians, but when it comes to Jews in Israel…..
To those who have nurtured, supported, and enabled the torturers of mankind, you will most surely reap the whirlwind.
Netanyahu was a strong proponent of supporting Hamas (2019) as a counterbalance to Fatah. He’s got blood on his hands here.
https://www.israpundit.org/twisted-sadistic-antisemitic-and-orwellian/
This article describes the extent of the lies of Hamas. A Hamas leader said
““We have to redefine what ‘civilian’ means.” Every Jewish Israeli – even the infants that were butchered in their beds – is a combatant, a soldier, and a legitimate target. Every means of eliminating Jewish Israelis is legitimate (including beheading, burning, raping, mutilating) – because every man, woman and child among them is a “settler” (no matter where they live).”
These are the twisted and perverted lies coming from Hamas. They say everything they need to in order to justify their genocide. They use every human being for propaganda purposes, even the Gazans themselves.
These animals did not think that Israel would punch back so hard and that other nations would not applaud the killing of innocents and the raping of women young and old. Push them into the sea.
Here’s another side to this scam:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-10-16/bibi-netanyahu-2019-israel-must-support-bolstering-hamas-and-transferring-money
–In the first 20 minutes of this video, Max Blumenthal (yes, Sid’s son) does a marvelous 20 minute summary of why Gaza has descended into nihilism and suicidal despair. Starting at 23:31 he also lays bare the malign influence of the Israeli lobby that has corrupted US foreign policy in the region. Whose interests are our diplomats truly pursuing? I really recommend listening to the whole thing. Blumenthal has an obviously encyclopedic knowledge and some very interesting insights into Canada’s recent embarrassment in honoring a Waffen SS figure in parliament:
The business of the US is war. Starting them, supplying arms, financing them, fighting them. Sixty years ago we saw what happens when leaders oppose war.
Why are you quoting fake-news MSDNC? They peddle lies. Hamas was created by Israel; that’s not a big secret. Hamas is not in Gaza; they are located in the U.S. and Israeli ally, Qatar. Surely, MSDNC covered the leaflets dropping from the sky? So–why didn’t the IDF shoot down the helicopter? Perhaps maybe the Zionists agreed with the message inside: Stay where you are.
The Luciferians love a bloody massacre.
Check our coverage for all latest
https://askeptic.substack.com/p/russia-ukraine-reports-2023-10-17
As you all can see how a lot of black Americans are supporting this attack on the Jewish nation by making excuses for hamas – If you are White, Asias, Hispanic, and even middle eastern and anybody who is not black – you ARE justified to feel discriminated by Blacks America because you are – and you have every reason not to like black America – As Jussie Smollett case has shown for all of us to see its A VERY RACIST BLACK AMERICA pushing a very racist black supremacism and socialism that is influencing the behavior on these DAs and of the Democratic Party today and putting on display for all of us to see a culture that has been taught for the past 50 years in their homes and neighborhoods, hate and racism towards the white population – I have experienced racism and abuse from blacks Americans and im not the only one experiencing this abuse – people stop taking their abuse and its time to start calling it out and start calling out the racisms’ coming from the black community hell bent at hate against the white, Asian and Hispanic while excusing rampant crime by mostly blacks while trying to sell everyone having been victimized by history to excuse not taking accountability to continue the rampant abuse on the rest of us.
No surprise but the Hamas guy is lying. All the Gazans rushed in to take female captives following the teachings of their Qur’an [verse Sura 4:24) that specifically allows Muslims to have sex with “those (captives) whom your right hands possess” (meaning those they captured in battle.)