A recent appeals court ruling, unrelated to the current year ballot counting, may have an impact within the close Pennsylvania senate primary race between David McCormick and Mehmet Oz. Currently Mehmet Oz is ahead by around 1,000 votes [NYT LINK]
The court ruled that mail-in ballots without a date on the envelope may be counted in the prior election.
“The three-judge panel’s judgment said the state election law’s requirement of a date next to the voter’s signature on the outside of return envelopes was “immaterial.” They said they found no reason to refuse counting the ballots that were set aside in the Nov. 2, 2021, election for common pleas judge in Lehigh County.”
This ruling happens as the current mail-in ballots in PA are being counted. McCormick is slightly winning the mail-in ballot count, so his team quickly sent the ruling out to all Pennsylvania voting districts.
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal court ruled Friday that mail-in ballots without a required date on the return envelope must be allowed in a 2021 Pennsylvania county judge race, a decision that could complicate the ongoing process of vote counting in the state’s neck-and-neck U.S. Senate Republican primary.
Elections officials, lawyers and candidates are scrambling to understand and respond to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision, which was issued late in the day without a written opinion laying out its rationale.
It had an immediate effect in Pennsylvania’s too-close-to-call Republican primary contest for U.S. Senate, where counties are still adding up votes in the race between celebrity heart surgeon Dr. Mehmet Oz and former hedge fund executive David McCormick.
McCormick has been doing better than Oz among mail-in ballots and McCormick’s campaign quickly wrote to the state’s 67 counties to advise them of the decision and request a hearing if they won’t count the ballots in question. (read more)
— Dr. Mehmet Oz (@DrOz) May 21, 2022
Why does McCormick remind me of Dean Wormer?
He looks like he’s going to put Oz on Double Secret Probation.
100% of Animal House was outrageously funny……still is.
And Faber College was in Pennsylvania!
McCormick is a democrat. Walks like one quacks like one!
Really? What issue in particular?
If this dirty Dem trick of manipulating unreliable mail-in votes doesn’t convince you, what would?
That’s not intended in a snarky way, Magabear. It’s been a weird field. But it seems we are now seeing why President Trump endorsed Oz, and just how corrupt the Uniparty continues to be.
Peoria, with all due respect, how does this ruling meaningfully impact this GOP primary? Even if it is a demonrat scheme, it’s not repub voters who were knowingly sending in late ballots.
MAGA ear, Aren’t you paying attention ? Try to keep up.
Pal, I’m way ahead of the curve on this. Unlike most of you blathering on about this, I actually live in PA and have been following this race from the beginning. The fact that you can only provide snark when asked for direct evidence doesn’t speak well of you.
Oz is a Turk.
Indeed. Oz views this country a only as a place to make money. For example, I’m still getting unsolicited text messages from Oz selling ED products while he’s trying to be a senator.
Please God, help us. We ask in Jesus name.
In fairness, and with zero dogs in the PA fight, Oz has a lot of company in this great Republic and that is largely why it’s turned into the cesspool it has. Greed, avarice and mendacity rule it in the name of the almighty dollar. Gekko was right.
Watch how people continue to claw over each other for that dollar while the country crumbles around them. Everyone for themselves. Show a bit of that collaborative and generous spirit and get the life sucked out of one by the Hoovers of America. Nothing new, been living it for decades.
So what.. at least he’s not a Wall Street/China/McConnell stooge.
He was a registered Democrat until 1996. He moved to PA in 2022.
He grew up in PA and didn’t leave until he went to West Point. He also started a business in PA.
And Ronald Reagan was once a democrat too. Do you not want people moving to our side of the aisle?
I guess I missed Reagan making most of his money in China.
So you’ve analyzed McCormick’s financial statements and discovered that his money was all derived from Chinese investments? Good work!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/21/democrats-interfere-in-nevada-gop-gubernatorial-primary-in-attempt-to-stop-trump-backed-joe-lombardo/
https://www.dailywire.com/news/following-the-democrats-playbook-oz-campaign-blasts-mccormick-for-trying-to-count-undated-mail-in-ballots-in-deadlocked-pa-senate-primary
Could get crazy next week…. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-roe-wade-ruling-biden-admin-braces-violence-decision
Please stop posting links without a comment, or at least a description of how it pertains to this thread. TYIA 🙂
No no no no, the court will defer to the legislature on this, no changing rules without advise and consent. The constitution requires it.
So far, no court, state or federal, has deferred anything to our state legislature. Guess they figured why start now? 😒
Have to say that I find it ironic that some here are saying a Federal Court has no jurisdiction in a case like this when we were all wanting SCOTUS to intervene on the stolen election in 2020!
Our PA State Supreme Court has 4 (sometimes 5) demonrat rubber stamps on it, so I’m not one to shun a Federal Court from overriding them if need be.
Joseph Ford Cotto
@JosephFordCotto
McCormick is essentially asking for a recount before the official recount. The pre-recount, so to speak, would include undated postal ballots. These primary ‘results’ would then be subject to a traditional recount. McCormick’s nastiness against Oz knows no bounds, IMO. Sad.
4:41 PM · May 21, 2022
This Cotto guy sounds like an idiot. Does he even realize that overseas ballots have until Tuesday to be received? Sounds like he wants the race declared for Oz before military ballots have even been counted. Not the sign of someone confident that his guy (Oz) will win this fairly.
The CCP Hedge Funder has revealed himself over and over and over. There is a reason he did not get President Trump’s endorsement. Having the opportunity to meet and question the candidates myself, I am very happy with Dr. Oz. I hope the legitimate result will hold.
Here it goes again! Mail-in ballots! So easily manipulated, and this ruling makes it even easier. Our state requires all elections determined strictly through mail-in ballots, maybe that’s why we’re drowning in radical liberals!
I do not understand why Pennsylvania even bothers to hold up the pretense of fair and legal elections.
Why bother.
Doug Mastriano was the face of the 2020 Election Integrity effort in PA. He was kneecapped by Jake Corman, a GOPe gatekeeper, who also fought every other attempt to investigate 2020.
Mastriano just easily won the Gubernatorial primary. It wasn’t that close.
Corman also ran, but received such abysmal support that he was forced to drop out.
The issue of election integrity is the #1 issue for the Republican base in PA.
Unfortunately, the PA GOP is completely disconnected from its base, and actually despises it. PA Act 77 was a creation of the Republican dominated Legislature, not the Democrats.
This is a Party at war with its own base.
That is the ongoing struggle in PA right now, and why we bother here.
You are aware that Mastriano voted for ACT 77, right?
All of the above is correct…I live in PA and I worked the election. Our county brought in a new person to run the mail-in vote count who was trained in Ohio. It went much better in our county this time.
Rich Baris “The People’s Pundit”
@Peoples_Pundit
This was absolutely warranted. What McCormick is doing is the Democratic Playbook and it will cost Republicans if that ruling is even allowed to stand.
Not even Democratic voters support the counting of ballots that arrived without a date. It’s beyond shady.
We’ve polled it.
2/. No Republican candidate or campaign would/should encourage a federal judge’s ruling to count votes that did not meet a simple standard such as dating.
These are basic safeguards to ensure integrity.
For one to not only support but encourage it, is unthinkable.
1:59 PM · May 21, 2022
Did Baris even read the courts ruling? The ballots didn’t lack a postmark, only that the voter didn’t write the date next to their signature. Frankly, you could write any date down next to your name.
Thia ruling stands regardless of whether McCormick’s team likes it or not. As it stands, there will be very few of these ballots counted on the GOP side.
Yes..any date works. I counted hundreds of ballots in one morning with maybe 5 with no date. Unless the military pulls him over I’m not sure this is enough.
Self deleted…wrong thread
What’s the difference? 2 NWO stooges fighting over who gets to screw us over (thanks for Oz, Trump) ? PA is a joke. Does anyone really believe in “elections” in PA or Michigan??And a RINO state and local GOP that plays dead or that enables the communists every chance they get…with granny killer marxist tool Wolf STILL allowed to occupy the governor post til they can install Shapiro…who bragged about cheating in 2020??
Say what you want about the candidates. The issue here is mail in voting. Absolutely no way to verify it and it’s highly susceptible to cheating. Those in control have no intentions of ending it should be enough to light up torches and sharpen pitch forks.
IMO, their fraud system should be sufficient to avoid creating a national emergency and suspending elections altogether. They won’t hesitate, though, if that power matrix is in jeopardy. Expect it.
It seems that NOTHING is enough to “light up torches and sharpen pitchforks.”
Judges say doesn’t matter when mail in votes are sent?
Why don’t care to protect the legal vote by not allowing it to be cancelled by the illegal vote.
Have said many times, a room full of 5th graders could design a better, fairer voting process with better checks and balances than we have.
When are courts going to realize that the time, place and manner of conducting elections are the purview of the legislature? Hopefully this decision will be appealed to SCOTUS for them to affirm that the courts cannot dictate election laws.
Agreed!!
The rules set by the state legislature should be followed, as directed by the Constitution, and not by any ruling from any court in the judicial branch of government.
“The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof;”
Of course that should be the case, but hasn’t been here in PA for two years now.
The far left doesn’t seem to care about the Constitution or laws.
So, let me get this straight: “the Legislature thereof” requires a date. But then, a Federal judge, acting on his own self-proclaimed “authority,” decrees that the presence or absence of a date is “immaterial.” Even though the interpretation of State law is not within Federal jurisdiction, and this is a crippling emasculation of an important election integrity control that the State had every right to impose. This judge is really saying nothing more or less than: “just go ahead and steal.”
Of course the breaking of the law is “immaterial” and has been for quite some time now.
So….ummmm…if McCormick is a Dem in repub clothing – boycott him in the general election?
And vote for John Fetterman?? Maybe Trump backed Oz to force this issue to be decided by the Supreme Court??
The cutting your own nose off to spite your face approach. Yeah, that’ll teach ’em! 🙄
….And the STEAL is totally on and being promoted by the courts….
When everyone used the same system to cheat this has been the case a long time was exposed by 2020 and now we know why so many blew off election fraud
Corrupt legal system, long history but really out there now that the enforcers are owned as well. A court is worthless without soldiers to detain, imprison and kill. Think about it. Watch how selective they are about it, in total.
The system is wonderful. Soulless humans have corrupted it. They are the disease and we are the cure.
If the date by the signature were immaterial why would the legislature require it? Pretty sad feature of our court system – declaring something like that immaterial – it’s simply not a call for the court to make. It’s up to the legislature. This isn’t like some jim crow test for voting – having a racial discrimination impact.
This does not surprise me..!.Why didn’t people understand why Trump endorsed OZ and not Barnette..because he knows PA..and they would not vote for Barnette..Besides the fact she was not vetted properly..and for many this was an emotional vote not well thought out..You saw her story and it hit the heart..but you need to make sure that that person is genuine…Club For Growth had already..turned on one of Trump’s endorsements..and it shows their motive..when endorsing Barnette..at least imo.We need to learn that you can’t always get what you want ..but if you try sometime..you can get what you need..and that was Trumps’ thoughts.
There are tiny Nations on the Globe we cannot name/pronounce that have better elections.
Lots of confusion regarding this ruling. Reading the full article may help bring clarity to it. Not sure I agree with the ruling on the grounds that this should be up to the Legislature to make this ruling, but it’s not the deliberate vote fraud that some are making it out to be.
https://www-politico-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/05/20/court-ruling-could-upend-pa-senate-race-00034198?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16532392161426&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fnews%2F2022%2F05%2F20%2Fcourt-ruling-could-upend-pa-senate-race-00034198
Thanx. This from the Politico article you linked above:
“The issue of undated ballots in Pennsylvania has ping-ponged around courts in recent years. Shortly following the 2020 general election, the state Supreme Court ruled that ballots that did not include a date but where otherwise received on time should be counted — but crucially, the fourth and deciding vote for that path wrote that in future elections, the “date and sign requirement” should be mandatory, and “with the omission of either item sufficient without more to invalidate the ballot in question.”
Seems like intent of the requisite signature and date is another safeguard against fraud….fraudsters are good at finding ways to be fraudsters with mail-ins….. I think Team OZ has got this one.
The mail-in ballot is a very unsecured Voting System that
is open to massive fraud.
Courts have been a huge player in “election steals” since 2020 and even before then. Who cares what laws the Legislature so-carefully enacts? The Dishonorable Court simply declares that state law is “immaterial” and the steal is on!
Then, notice that no one appeals further. Because the end justifies the means …
Meanwhile mountain of a man Fetterman is still in the hospital (8 days now) testing out his new pacemaker, defibrillator and anticoagulants. He is going to need considerable cardiac rehab. At some point he apparently weighed over 300 lb. He’s down a lot from that though. He says he’s doing great; the doctors say go slowly. I think there is a 50-50 chance Conner Lamb will take his place as the Dem nominee for Senate.
“The three-judge panel’s judgment said the state election law’s requirement of a date next to the voter’s signature on the outside of return envelopes was “immaterial.”
The judges think the law is immaterial?
Once again activist federal judges are rewriting laws from the bench.
Convenient.
Imagine if we had an election system as good as say…France’s
All the votes on paper, counted in one day. If France can pull it off, obviously we could too. So the only conclusion is the one we all are aware of.
They don’t want fair, efficient elections.