A very odd story unfolds. According to recent media reporting Hunter Biden and Hallie Biden were involved in a domestic issue involving his handgun in late 2018. Hallie Biden was Hunter’s former sister-in-law who began a romantic relationship with Hunter after the death of Hunter’s brother, Beau. According to reports the gun was thrown by Hallie Biden into a trash can behind a grocery store near a school, she returned later and the gun was gone.
It appears the gun was found by a local man who rummages through dumpsters for recyclables, also known commonly as “dumpster diving.” Days later the man returned the gun to an unknown entity. However, in the interim Secret Service agents went to the gun store where Hunter Biden purchased the firearm and asked the gun store owner, Ron Palmieri, for the purchasing paperwork.
Mr. Palmieri feared a cover-up of sorts for the lost gun was underway, and did not give the secret service agents the paperwork. Instead he later turned over the paperwork to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), who have federal jurisdiction over lost firearms. “POLITICO obtained copies of the Firearms Transaction Record and a receipt for the gun dated Oct. 12, 2018.”
Curiously the Secret Service says they have no record of agents involved in contact with Palmieri asking for paperwork. The incident remains a mystery and no charges were ever filed.
(Via Politico) […] Neither Hallie Biden nor George Mesires, a lawyer for Hunter Biden, responded to requests for comment.
The gun-store incident occurred during a period after Hunter Biden’s administrative discharge from the Naval Reserves for his positive cocaine test and his subsequent divorce from his first wife, Kathleen. At the time of the gun incident, Hunter was in a romantic relationship with Hallie, the widow of his latebrother, Beau.
The incident began when Hallie searched Hunter’s pickup, which was parked at her home in Wilmington, because of unspecified “suspicions she had,” according to the Delaware State Police report. Inside the truck, she found a .38 revolver.
Hallie took the gun to Janssen’s Market, a nearby high-end grocery store where the Bidens are longtime regular customers. There, she tossed the gun, wrapped in a black shopping bag, into a trash bin outside of the store.
Later that day, Hallie informed Hunter of what she had done, and he instructed her to retrieve the gun, according to the police report. When Hallie returned to the grocery store, she found that the gun was missing from the garbage bin and reported the issue to the store. Police received calls from the store’s general manager, Paula Janssen, and from another person, according to the report.
The missing gun caused heightened concern, according to the police report, because the grocery store sits across the street from Alexis I. du Pont High School. Arriving on the scene, Delaware State Police retrieved security camera footage from the store and interviewed Janssen, the store manager. “We complied with the police and gave them whatever security footage we could,” Janssen told POLITICO.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation also responded to the scene, according to people familiar with the situation. At the time, the FBI was monitoring Hunter Biden as part of an investigation that remains ongoing and that currently focuses on his taxes. The FBI declined to comment.
In addition to questioning Hallie, police called Hunter to the scene, where he was questioned outside the store’s loading dock area and explained he used the gun for target practice, according to the report.
At one point, two of Janssen’s employees, described by the police report as “Mexican males,” walked past the loading dock area, and Hunter told a police officer that the store had some suspicious people working for it. Asked if he was referring to those two staffers, Hunter responded, “Yea, prolly illegal,” according to the report.
When a police officer asked Hunter whether the gun had been used in a crime, the officer reported that Hunter “became very agitated with me and asked me if I was intentionally trying to make him mad,” according to the report.
When the officer asked Hunter whether he had been doing drugs or drinking heavily, he responded, “Listen, it isn’t like that. I think she believes I was gonna kill myself,” according to the report.
An officer asked Hunter whether he had called his father about the incident before he arrived. Hunter responded, “I have never called my dad for anything,” according to the police report.
After being questioned, Hunter retrieved the case for the gun — which included the gun’s serial number — from Hallie’s house and returned to the grocery store to hand it over to police, according to the report.
While police questioned Hunter and Hallie, two Secret Service agents arrived at the store where Hunter had purchased the gun, StarQuest Shooters & Survival Supply in Wilmington, according to the two people familiar with the incident. The agents showed their badges and identification cards to Palmieri, the store’s owner, and asked to take possession of the Firearms Transaction Record that Hunter had filled out to buy the gun earlier that month, according to the people familiar with the incident. (read more)
Suspicious cats remain suspicious….
Hunter lied on the ATF background check form about being a drug addict( FELONY- discharged from Navy Reserve after failing 2 drug tests) CORRUPT Secret Service and FBI boys are kept busy coering up for this younger Biden PERVERT.
Yep, as I said above an hour before your post. The “Secret Service” guys, real or using fake IDs on a mission “not in the Secret Service records” where trying to retrieve that form.
That the BATFE was given it, the ONLY agency who SHOULD have been given it IF they asked for it, will still most likely result in nothing.
I hope the gun dealer kept a copy of his own. Hopefully, that’s a requirement for an FFL (Federal Firearms License) holder, i.e. gun dealer, OR he was smart enough to do that since the BATFE could make it disappear or require a FOIA which would then require a lawsuit when they fail to provide it.
An FFL must keep the 4473 forms they process for a period of 20 years.
Failure to produce a form as requested by the proper authorities could result in very bad experience for the FFL.
That means the dealer still has the original copy and gave the BATFE agents a copy?
In any event, if I’d paid any attention whatsoever to this firearm scandal before this morning, I could have easily figured out, as I did, what all of the machinations were all about.
My question: to my knowledge, why hasn’t anyone else, at least in the alternative media?
LOL! Oh, look, they have! “Or user of” should have been included in the title:
Hunter Biden may have committed felony by reportedly stating he’s not addicted to drugs on a gun background check
March 25, 2021
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hunter-biden-gun-background-check-drugs
Sources: Secret Service inserted itself into case of Hunter Biden’s gun
The bizarre incident involved a trash can, a man searching for recyclables and, eventually, federal law enforcement.
25 Mar 2021
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/25/sources-secret-service-inserted-itself-into-case-of-hunter-bidens-gun-477879
POLITICO obtained copies of the Firearms Transaction Record and a receipt for the gun dated Oct. 12, 2018.
Hunter responded “no” to a question on the transaction record that asks, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?” Five years earlier, he had been discharged from the Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine, and he and family members have spoken about his history of drug use.
Lying on the form is a felony, though prosecutions for it are exceedingly rare.
“Lying on the form is a felony, though prosecutions for it are exceedingly rare.”
A good example of not even enforcing already existing gun laws.
ATF Form 4473:
Hunter was charged/convicted and discharged because of cocaine use.
Cocaine use definitely runs afoul of this question.
Hunter was charged/convicted and discharged because of cocaine use. His discharge may have been politically adjusted to remove “dishonorable”; but the rationale for discharge is definitely dishonorable conditions.
Hunter lied several times in his 4473.
That Hunter was able to pass a background check indicates that someone was scrubbing Hunter’s illegalities.
ATF is known for prosecuting buyers and dealers for buyers lying on form 4473.
With years in the slammer for the buyer and firearm ownership banned for the rest of their life.
Hunter is the smartest man joe knows, absolutely believable now. Horrified that these people are in charge of the country.
That means that Cocaine Hunter is smarter than Obama and St. Joe Biden of the Border.
All of this stuff coming out “now” suggests it’s intended to be brought out to the public and timed to coincide with this crap-show of a press meeting.
Pardon me while my eyes roll.
It’s all part of the show which provides the excuses needed to have the public accept Harris as the new president… but who’s the next VP? To me, that’s the real question.
Michelle Obama, or should I say Michael? Maybe Barrack himself, then Harris resigns and Obama gets his third term to complete his transformation of America.
Pass the Tums.
Pifglosi will be the vp so the camel can be arkincided.
That’s my question for the wider branches of the Tree,does commie LA get to pick her V.P. or is some kind of succession.?
Does hunter have SS agents on a personal retainer? It would stand to reason that he would be assigned ethically challenged or compromised agents for his protective detail, when he had one. Did these same agents attempt to cover up the crime of lying on his application by grabbing the paperwork?
Little rattlesnakes come from big ones. Thank you, seventy million idiots, for stuffing this garbage into absolute power.
I don’t think that cornpop Joe got anywhere near 70 million votes.
Agree, but that he had any at all speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Sufficient millions voted for him to stuff him in, aided by the stealing, of course.
Last week, NYPost reported on a paper mill in Altoona, PA which closed, due to management concerns about the coming biden ‘green new deal’ crackdowns on manufacturing and everyone else.
The union workers and officials were stunned. They insisted that biden was ‘a union guy who’d protect their jobs’ and they said they hoped he’d visit Altoon to discuss their new jobless worries with them.
They believe he’s for them? This individual who can not construct a simple sentence? Isn’t it horrible, the extent to which so many have been brainwashed?
There are IMO at least 30 to 40 million two-digit IQ voters who believe voting for whoever has the “D” next to their name will result in “manna from heaven”, AND that those voters themselves are too incapable of solving their own personal problems without tons of “free” government “help.”
50 years of steady but often carefully crafted subliminal messaging by the entertainment industry, academia, the media, and most recently the social media have created two almost perfectly brainwashed/ indoctrinated generations of idiots. That’s in addition to the older morons in my generation and my parents generation who were sold on socialism by FDR’s dramatic speeches and the end to the Great Depression.
IMHO, anyone with a triple digit IQ who studied 20th century history and the chronological sequence of global and especially American events in the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s realizes that it was WW2 that actually and directly ended the Great Depression.
Multiple KIAs can do wonders for reducing the number of men who had formerly been standing in bread lines but the Depression ended for a different reason.
During the war, consumer goods were severely restricted. Lots of money was being earned in the arms industry but there was no where to spend it.
Savings piled up in bank accounts.
When the war ended so too did rationing. There was a lot of money to lend out for new businesses tooling up to meet pent-up consumer demand. New business ventures require new employees.
Thus, the Depression was ended, ironically enough, not by government spending but by forced saving!
Weird but true…
The savings resulted from the real cause of the end of the Depression. Before WW2, people didn’t have much money to save. 25% were unemployed; much more in certain areas.
WW2 ended the Depression because all of a sudden most previously unemployed or part-time employed people could get a full time job. And often at very good wages. The country went to war and manufacturing munitions and supplies for our military and allies’ militaries became Job #1.
My home town of Baltimore became a major employer at Glenn L. Martin Company (mfg. aircraft) and at Sparrows Point/ Bethlehem Steel ship building drydocks. My father-in-law and his brother came here as very young adults (along with a few thousand others) from the boondocks in WVA after their coal miner father died in 1940 from black lung, and they both were making more money working on building/repairing ships than they had ever seen up to then in their very tough lives.
The same stories were repeated all over the country as every aircraft manufacturer was loaded with orders and every shipyard was work9ng at capacity. Vehicle plants were suddenly at capacity making military vehicles and armaments.
And when the German U-boats started sinking freighters in the North Atlantic that were loaded with munitions and supplies headed for England and Europe, we turned up the production even higher to replace the lost cargoes and get ahead of the rate of loss.
So consumer goods were scarce because of rationing but also people were making money hand over fist working full time and overtime building our war munitions. THAT’s when they started saving a LOT of money.
D I R T B A G S
maybe the gun was used in a crime, and the suicide is just a cover story.
Just reading the post the gun was used in about three crimes you and I would have been arrested for.
Spot on, disklxik. Edna Buchanan, crime reporter and novelist, well said it:
“When investigating crime syndicates, think dirty. Think very dirty.”
Nothing, absolutely nothing is beneath them, and anything, absolutely anything is possible.
Hallie must have been given a nice chunk of (China) change to be so quiet. She is right in the middle of this and not a single word. How odd.
She wants to keep living.
Like these Hollywood people that talk about the pedophilia but do not name names.
The curent Communist FBI,DOJ in the good ol USA is sticking it to the rule of law. They want to make sure we the deplorables know that we will be charged, go to jail and and be sentenced even if they have to make it up. RUSSIA, FLYNN, UKRAINE and on and on………………….where is durham ? oooohhhh thats funny…………..
election fraud and the supreme court laughs in the face of America.
So arm up and be ready because everyone that has posted anything that they dont like will be visited………………. GAME ON !!!
I bet his ‘files’ have been scrubbed everywhere it makes a difference. didnt vocal fry lady have her social media scrubbed before she went before congress? She had previously been very liberal and supportive of Hilary Clinton but it all disappeared, say people who had info.
Hunter’s “files” were not “scrubbed” at all. A number of well-known individuals have copies of the actual hard drive and all the information contained within (photos/text messages/emails from Hunter to officials). FIBs have released inaccurate information stating “Hunter’s laptop/files were destroyed accidentally.” False, false. More information is being released by individuals how have access to Hunter’s hard drive. FIBs are lying.
“…agents showed their badges and identification cards to Palmieri, the store’s owner, and asked to take possession of the Firearms Transaction Record that Hunter had filled out …”
Take possession of? That’s a primary document. If that’s lost, then there’s probably no proof he ever bought the thing. That’s a clean-up operation. Cover-up. The store owner had legitimate reason to believe that was being attempted.
Asking for a photocopy is something else entirely.
Too bad the store owner didn’t have surveillance footage capable of identifying the visitors. If they had no official duty on record, then their employer would have to answer for why they showed their badges. That would lead to probable termination or worse…not a bad thing if it removes undesirables from the department.
If true, such a story would encapsulate how far department individuals go to protect their turf and political kin from consequences that normal Americans absolutely must abide. Would readily explain email tampering, warrant perjury, malicious prosecution, etc.
All gun stores have surveillance cameras.
Any pawn shop or business that sells guns these days have security cameras.
It’s not against the law to not have one. But I think they all do.
And have on premises b/c of break-ins, theft, insurance purposes. Don’t believe for 1 second that owner/store doesn’t have cameras.
How is it that there are so many 1%ers in law enforcement? Because according to Hannity and the Bongino band orchestra 99% are really honest. Methinks somebody is telling a big one.
Then WHERE are they? WHERE are the whistleblowers? NOT 1 that has any dignity? I’m part of the FBI and I consider myself, honest, reputable, credible and see/know this crap is ongoing; yet I remain silent? Can’t be both? Either honest or dishonest. To me, FBI is 100% CORRUPT.
Four suspicious cats. I think that may be a CTH record. The whole thing just stinks to high heaven.
It wasn’t the SS. Probably someone hired by Obama posing as SS agents.
Angry Cat remains angry…
Hey, Hunter is on the payroll of China, Ukraine, Moscow, Romania, and likely others, all under the supervision of the Deep State. They together control what the FBI, Secret Service and ATF do when it comes to their “people” in “high places.” The FBI’s “ongoing investigation” of Hunter’s “taxes,” is just the method by which illegal activity is protected from public disclosure, enabling the Deep State to control and manipulate Hunter and his family, and also to monitor his foreign manipulators, for opportunities to coordinate or wheel and deal among themselves.
The “evidence rooms” where reside the laptops of Hunter, Seth Rich, Anthony Weiner, Imran Awan, Hillary’s server images, etc., are like Fort Knox holding the Deep State’s gold reserves.
Plus Epstein’s video library.
Epstein’s video stuff is probably locked down.
Falls in line with what we know about federal agents, based on decades of observation. At this point there’s no reason to not just make Hunter the head of the FBI.
Didn’t we know about this incident last October or November when the hard drive reared up? Why is the media acting like it’s a breaking news story?
Also add to your list.
The most irresponsible means to dispose of a gun.
So Hunter wasn’t charged with losing the gun, his SIL wasn’t charged with carrying it illegally or carrying it in a school zone. Two sets of laws.
Good to know we can add the USSS to the list of corrupted, untrustworthy government institutions like the CIA, FBI and the IRS, oh and the BATFE, the DOJ
Thanks Leftists.
The most amazing election in American history is the FRAUDULENT ELECTION of the most CORRUPT candidates in our history…Joe and the Hoe; put in place by Barack INSANE Obama and the Washington District of CORRUPTION. The demirats have no morals, virtue or COURAGE to work FOR America.
And he’s become invisible. NO public sightings, no media/press tracking him down. Imagine if a Conservative/Trump kid; would be camped on doorstep daily and they were but dumpster diving finding dirt, records, activity, etc….
THAT the Sec Service, FBI attempted to ‘make this go away’ shows how shady our govt is. And for those that say, well MOST of the FBI is honest, where are they? Any spoken out? Any whistleblowers? NONE??
We have a very shadowy govt existence in USA right now . There are many factions running this country, independent of each other or cohesive; but our govt isn’t wholesome, truthful, upstanding; just the opposite. Dishonest, evil, corrupt and deceptive.
THiS govt chooses ‘who’ gets justice and who doesn’t. ANTIFA/BLM/fascists, marxists are ‘good’ and can burn, riot, loot, destroy and murder…..Conservative and whites are ‘enemy number 1’. And whatever will be needed to take them down will be acceptable. Mueller showed that during Trump investigation. Look at the lives HE DESTROYED, while Comey, Page, Struzk, Carter, Weinstein, Brennan, Clapper have walked. Destroyed Flynn, Roger Stone and countless others, ONLY BECAUSE they were FOT (friends of Trump). Our entire DOJ, FBI, SS, NSA, CIA, IRS, State Dept is corrupt to the core….
According to Federal Law the FFL (Federal Firearms Licensee-the gun store) is REQUIRED to keep and maintain the ORIGINAL Form 4473 for a period of 20 years. The law only allows for Law Enforcement to request a COPY if warranted during a CRIMINAL investigation.
Regardless of whether the “Men In Black”, i.e. the Purported Secret Service Agents were legit or not, they were demanding that the gun store owner commit a Federal felony. Had the owner been intimidated into complying they would have achieved TWO objectives. First, the MIBs would have disappeared the only hard evidence of Hunter Biden’s felony purchase of a firearm AND they would be able to blackmail the gun store owner with the threat of a Federal Felony prosecution and loss of his livelihood and prison time for not complying with 27 CFR 478.129, FFL records retention requirements. This is right out of the DOJ/FBI playbook. Entrapping someone into committing a felony and then using the threat of prosecution as blackmail. See M. Flynn, G. Papadopolous, et. al. This whole thing stinks of Weissman, Rosenstein, DOJ/FBI modus operandi.
Notvicchanko SAID: ‘According to Federal Law the FFL (Federal Firearms Licensee-the gun store) is REQUIRED to keep and maintain the ORIGINAL Form 4473 for a period of 20 years. The law only allows for Law Enforcement to request a COPY if warranted during a CRIMINAL investigation. Regardless of whether the “Men In Black”, i.e. the Purported Secret Service Agents were legit or not, they were demanding that the gun store owner commit a Federal felony.’
Perhaps.
But I happen to notice that part of the story is sourced by the well-known, “according to the people familiar with the incident”-style quotations. In my experience that means it is rife for inaccuracy and needs something a bit more concrete before forming opinions based upon it. At the very least, it implores one to keep an open mind about just how accurate that part of the story is.
You are correct of course. Anytime I comment on a news or press story I am implicitly stipulating that the facts are accurate as reported. Otherwise there’s no point in commenting on press accounts at all other than to say “I don’t believe it”. Having said that, I do agree that this particular story contains some even more squirrelly source attributions than usual-and it’s Politico which is alway cause for skepticism.
The questions ask themselves with this tale of the biden crime syndicate, don’t they?
Do tell, dumping a firearm in a trash can within short distance of a school? Was this an attempt to merely ditch a gun which had been used in commission of a crime?
Or, a la ‘Fast ‘n’ Furious’, were they leaving a gun for a school shooter to conveniently ‘find’, to set up another school shooting?
As Andrew Pollack, whose daughter Meadow was murdered at Parkland, said of these leftists, ‘the school did everything but pull the trigger for Mr. Cruz.’
Never forget the purpose of Fast ‘n’ Furious, to supply guns to cartels, to create a wave of murders in America to ‘create citizen pressure for gun control.'”
During the 1990s, Project Exile was launched. State, fed and local LE agencies worked together to use gun laws to get real criminals off the streets.
Until the clintons killed it because it worked too well. As bubba’s stooges said, ‘We must maintain an acceptable level of violence to create citizen pressure for gun control.”
Nothing is off the table, anything is possible with these people. Anything.
They will stop at nothing to make themselves as gods.
And then our Creator will show them the He is the true god. Too bad for them.
Disproportionate impact was the reason project exile was stopped.
Lots of Mommas complaining they could not visit their boys held 500 miles away from home.
Once a liar, always a liar, especially if you’re an addict of any kind.
Saul Alinsky.
The left always demands we prove everything we are falsely accused of, they blow any little thing out of proportion and turn it into huge scandal internationally but when their side does something actually bad, they brush over as if it’s nothing and ignore, cover-up. Move on and smear us without reason
We need to stop falling for that. If one of our own makes even small mistake we are the first ones to judge, distance and crucify them. Ted Cruz went to Cancun during the storm? Nice, good for him and screw the left for bringing it up. (I’m not saying Ted is “us” I’m just giving an example )
I don’t care if anyone on our side does anything anymore as long as they stick to defending the constitution.
I want my allies not perfect but loyal to the rule of law, constitution, anything else, screw it.
It’s because our characteristics and traits are honorable and wholesome. Dems lie, cheat, steal and don’t care. We play by the rules; they break the rule and laws and don’t apologize nor care. DON’T EXPECT Dems to change. NEVER have and NEVER will.
Pelosi more than willing to defraud, cheat and steal the Iowa seat. Think she backs down, cares or is in form of soul-searching? Absolutely not. Same for when SHE GOT A HAIR APPT in San Fran; entire city, biz community shut down. She DIDN’T CARE; she got an appt and had a hair appt.
I’m STILL holding people accountable on BOTH sides. I’m SIMPLY DISAPPOINTED how GOP NEVER FIGHTS, stands up, kowtows and are cowards. EVEN WHEN they could be on OFFENSE; they don’t. They ALLOW dems to cheat, lie and steal and keep their mouths shut.
Don’t be or become dishonest or sell your soul like the left does. Just knock them down, speak over them, call them out, be on offensive and not defense. But don’t be a liar, cheater, thief as the dems are and some GOP as well, but keep your morality and fight like hell.
That’s why I like DeSantis. He’s a leader and STAYS on offense. He takes no crap from media/press, the left, Dems but has a strong offensive power swag about him….
The great Rush Limbaugh said the left always manages to get us on defense. They accuse us of something and off we go… months defending ourselves. We spend all of our time proving our innocence. Just like the Russia hoax. POTUS was defending himself from it 24/7 and he had to prove his innocence everyday.
That needs to end.
We need to do the same, accuse them of everything and ignore their accusations one after another, It’s a trap.
Hunter is dirty, We can start there. Go on and on about it and not let it die.
GOP ALLOWS to be placed on defense….As above stated on Cruz, he should be been like Pelosi, yes I went to Cancun with my family and now I’m back and I’m NOT apologizing. Pelosi caught in closed-down San Fran getting hair done. She apologize? Nope, shut that owner down….Cruz this wk did shut the reporter down when asked to mask-up. GOOD FOR HIM: that’s what is needed. No, I won’t mask up for you; move further away if you are uncomfortable.
Ask Tucker, he thinks Hunter is a good guy..
The Biden embodiment of white trash.
Nothing will happen to Hunter. He can do whatever he likes and get away with it.
We are so corrupt… .
Someone makes that kind of threat, the correct response is “Where do I send the flowers?”
I wonder whether the Navy (?) passed on the positive cocaine test administrative discharge to the NICS database?
On second thought, I don’t wonder.
Both Hunter and Allie broke federal laws. Will the AG prosecute them? Will the laptop data become available ? NO, not until the Establishment Bureaucracy is done with Biden and ready to promote Kamala the laugh bag. Then Biden will be thrown to the Washington compost heap of brain cell eaten Ted Kennedy and John McCain. 3 worthless conspirators.
Is there a country on Earth whose leader does NOT know about Hunter? We are compromised beyond belief.
If these people were the run of the mill American citizens, there would be felony charges and sentences handed down. This would include anyone in the Secret Service who tried to cover this activity up.
From my memory Hunter should be in violation of 18 USC, section 922, element (B) “Drug User, Addict”. He should not get the weapon back under normal circumstances, but these are not normal times.