Interestingly, the alphabet narrative engineers are focused on this trial as they were with George Zimmerman. Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin is charged in the May 25, 2020, death of George Floyd.
Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man, who died in custody.
Forensic evidence showed that George Floyd died from a “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Other significant conditions were listed as “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use.” (link)
A memorandum filed by the Hennepin County Attorney’s office on June 1 indicated that chief medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who listed Floyd’s death as a homicide, thought the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.” “[Dr. Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” the memo said.
Yesterday featured testimony as prosecutors continued laying out their case against Chauvin. Jurors watched body camera videos of Floyd’s fatal police encounter. One bystander witness broke down in tears on the stand after watching footage showing officers attempting to force Floyd inside a squad car. Charles McMillian, who was on the sidewalk during the struggle, said he felt “helpless.”
Livestream Links Below for open discussion of this ongoing case.
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I expect riots either way.
The $27 million was just a down payment.
This is pretty dang close to jury tampering if you ask me. It should be illegal for municipalities to make multi-million dollar settlements just as a trial commences.
It’s not illegal. It’s part of the plan.
That is what Crump does, he always gets payouts before the trials because he knows they are not going to get a guilty verdict via trial, so his money goes out the door. It’s all part of the Crump playbook.
the city knows they will lose this trial, so they be pushing hard
That’s an understatement!
George Floyd Memorial GoFundMe Soars Past $13 Million USD in DonationsAlmost half a million unique donors have contributed in only seven days.
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A second fund created to benefit Gianna Floyd, George’s 6-year-old daughter, currently sits at $1,675,380 USD against a goal of $1,750,000 USD after only three days, and boasts 53,000+ donors at the time of writing.
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https://hypebeast.com/2020/6/george-floyd-memorial-gofundme-13-million-dollars-donations
Kanye West donates $2 million, pays college tuition for George Floyd’s daughter
The donation includes funding for legal fees for Arbery and Taylor’s families, along with black-owned businesses in crisis in his native Chicago and other cities.CNNWire
Thursday, June 4, 2020
https://abc7.com/kanye-west-donation-george-floyd-ahmaud-arbery/6232063/
Tech companies and execs announce over $20 million in donations after killing of George Floyd
PUBLISHED TUE, JUN 2 20209:21 AM EDT UPDATED
TUE, JUN 2 20204:35 PM EDT
Ari Levy
@LEVYNEWS
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/tech-companies-donate-over-20-million-after-death-of-george-floyd.html
BLM also donated more than a million dollars for the Floyd family.
Many other other organizations also raised money too many to list… .
George Floyd’s coffin was gold plated. They cost in the range of $20,000-40,000. His was estimated to cost about $20,000 to $30,000.
Michael Jackson’s gold plated coffin cost $25,000.
Who said crime doesn’t pay?
That old saw is no longer valid. Crime is the new growth industry in Xiden world.
George is a victim. He never should of got caught up in a FBI front money laundering China scam.
so true
Viral video, riots, and now a huge very public trial, and still nobody is talking about the counterfeit money. Odd, that.
Can u provide a link to that info?
Beat me to it Seneca!!
“Settlements” should be based on lost earnings, etc, of the deceased. Review how the payouts were decided for those who died in 9/11 attacks.
It was also meant to show guilt. So when he gets off the mob will point to the settlement as evidence of his guilt. Trust me the narrative is already written.
That $27 million was just made to the family, the regular rioters didn’t get any $$. His out of wedlock children didn’t get any either it went to his dad.
All politics all the time. I see more and more people are absolutely tired of the whole thing. Black people too!
Just once show us someone who wasn’t resisting arrest and the police beat someone to death. It never flippin’ happens.
It won’t matter what they do as far as a verdict goes.
Praying that it is not a hung jury, cause then means two more messes of riots.
https://knowledgeisgood.net/2020/08/07/who-killed-george-floyd/
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/video-who-killed-george-floyd-frontpagemagcom/
….a worthy individual for a reason to set America on fire….literally and figuratively…
Is there a “revolutionary” anywhere in America who truly wants to see a revolution?
The little white middle-class girls of Antifa want a sinecure in the bureaucracy, just like mommy and daddy, with a Democrat-run welfare state firmly in place, and with tightly regulated and governed one-party rule. Fascism would be the name these dilettantes would know, if they’d had a decent education.
The violent “anarchists” also want to see their college debt paid off. And a guaranteed income, of course. And throw in reparations for black people. Who is supposed to do all this paying, after total societal collapse, boys?
And the far-right white supremacist “revolutionaries”? These poor souls just want the two-party democratic America they read about in their grade 3 civics textbook. Adieu to that world..
The “revolution” is cover for the changes they actually want to implement. It’s why every instance of any kind is used as the basis to increase the level of tyranny in the country.
I think globalists are more than a bit annoyed that we Patriots didn’t fight them in the streets after their treasonous coup. Pretty soon Globalists will be forced to send their own army of fake anarchists to get their Great Reset off the ground. ??
Yup!
Yeah, let’s just continue to stay cloistered, let them steam roll all over us with their coups and taxes and house arrests and not put up any kind of a fight.
True story from a police officer that I know…frantic 911 phone call from a white 20-something on Sorority Row in a major “woke” Left Coast city. Said that she had walked outside to pick up a delivery from Uber Eats and “a black man in a car had flashed a gun” at her. Officers arrive, surround the car in question and tell the driver to exit with his hands up. He does and it turns out that he had a flat tire and was calling AAA for roadside assistance when a girl ran up to his car and knocked on his window. He rolled it down, just as his cell phone rang, which caused it to light up (the “flashing” gun) and she ran away. So, the cops explained the call they had received, apologized to the young man, who was not happy about having his car surrounded by police officers with guns drawn (although he did understand why they had to take those precautions). They then told the little white girl what had happened and that no one was “after her”…but of course, if a cop mistook a cell phone for a gun in a split second, in the dark, she would probably be the first one protesting and demanding his badge!!
Im glad she wasnt kidnapped, raped, and murdered, which is usually how it ends for many white girls when they encounter fine young men like that in the United States.
Your story sucked. And was death to freedom. Injected into this conversation made everyone think floyd is a God, and white girl’s bleed a lot for their own good
My story was intended to illustrate that suburban white girls, who are often the most ardent defenders of people like George Floyd, a career criminal who died of a drug overdose and was somehow turned into a martyr because of his race, are actually some of the most virulently racist people in society, as evidenced by the fact that they are the ones calling the police every time they see a black person in THEIR neighborhood. Sorry that you didn’t understand the point I was trying to make but I would assume most Treepers did…BTW, I was specifically responding to Raptors2021 regarding his point about the little middle class white girls who are really pushing for fascism but don’t realize it.
Actually, this last time around, I think I saw even more beta, gamma, delta white males. Pathetically cucked .
Jessica Chambers
Fake story, and you should be ashamed for writing this. There are so many holes in this made-up fake story I’m not sure where to start.
It is clear that you don’t know how the 911 emergency system works.
It is clear that you don’t know how Uber Eats works.
It is clear that you don’t know how young black men with flat tires work.
It is clear that you don’t know what “flashing a gun” means.
It is clear that you don’t know how AAA works (you probably do know, but your fake story doesn’t match how AAA roadside assistance works).
It is clear that you don’t know how Police respond to calls.
It is clear that you don’t know how ‘white 20-something on Sorority Row’ work.
As explanation of some of these holes in your lying fake story (how many other of your posts are lies too?) A twenty-something knows ALL ABOUT how cell phones work, and would never confuse a cell phone ringing for a gun. Period. Next, a Police Officer doesn’t know the tone or tenor of a 911 call. Police Officers don’t receive the 911 calls, so your fake buddy in your fake story would have no idea if the call was “frantic” or calm, or any other tenor or tone. Next, you don’t walk outside to pick up a delivery from Uber Eats. The Uber Eats app shows you exactly where your delivery person is throughout the whole period of their travel, AND the app shows you a picture of the PERSON who is delivering. AND, like pizza delivery, they deliver to your door — that’s one of the main sales points of Uber Eats: You don’t have to leave your house. Next, the English words, “flashing a gun” has NOTHING to do with lights, and are you really that SiTgUnPoDrant? (I’d hate to hear what kind of lights would be involved in your concept of someone “flashing” their genitals in the park, or Mardi Gras revelers who “flash” their breasts for bead necklaces). Next, young black men do not, and neither do young white men, as a rule, subscribe to AAA. Triple-A is for old people, and incompetent people. But, if a young black man DID subscribe to Triple-A, he would not call for roadside assistance for a simple flat tire. But, even if he did have Triple-A, and if he did call them for a simple flat tire, it is guaranteed that the roadside assistance would arrive long before a Police cruiser would eventually get there — ESPECIALLY in a “major” city, East coast or West coast. Next, if Police had a call of a man with a gun, there would be one squad car arrive, not the whole LAPD, like your fake story wants us to believe. But, even if more than one squad car responded to the call, they wouldn’t all arrive at the same time, like your fake story wants us to believe. And finally, IF there were enough Officers on site to accomplish a “surrounding” of the vehicle, they WOULD NEVER “surround” the vehicle with their firearms drawn — that is from Chapter 1 of Police Weapons Training, titled, “How NOT To Get Killed By Your Partners In Crossfire”. There are more holes and inconsistencies in your fake story, but I leave those for later. In this day and age, when nearly EVERYONE has a cell phone, any Police Officer who shoots someone, and then claims he thought the cell phone was a gun, should be fired for incompetence — at minimum.
What a joke this whole thing is.
He isn’t getting a fair trial. This is a lynch mob.
If he gets convicted, the conviction should get vacated.
No semblance of a fair trial at all. The state isn’t even trying.
What’s worse is the NY Times trying to dig into who the jurors are. If they had a solid case, the NY Times would not be trying to out the jurors so they could be intimidated by the mob.
If the judge had any guts, he would hold the NY Times in contempt.
Animals. That’s jury intimidation.
Who cares if bystanders were upset.
That has absolutely no bearing on whether or not a murder actually occurred.
When you take race out of it, you have a drugged out, very large man, passing counterfeit money, resisting arrest and has a criminal history who was resisting arrest.
Police on scene followed training per Manual.
…and stoned out of his mind on Fentanyl and Meth driving away in a 4,000 pound Mercedes Benz. What could go wrong with that????
Chauvin deserves a medal more than anything else. Floyd was a very very dangerous person at that moment. If he were to drive a vehicle, goodness knows who could have been killed if he lost consciousness.
The fact is, Floyd OD’d …because he had enough drugs in him to kill a much younger healthier person. It is NOT “coincidence” that his death was concurrent with being restrained. It was strongly correlated with him being restrained, but correlation is not causation. In this case, the common factor was DRUGS. Drugs caused the restraint to happen and they caused the death to occur. It’s that simple.
As for people who may think “Pin a medal on Chauvin? That’s just insane!”, my response is, “YOU go and do what Chauvin did…that is restrain really big strong violent criminal strung out on drugs! See if YOU have the guts!” If you think about it…..doesn’t seem so easy.
He could of cared more.about the drug addict thugs life. That’s all we are asking for. Humanity again. And yes the cops should of been able to slap the shit out of the loud mouth agitators there.
“Should HAVE been” not should of….
Either case, this trial is a shit show.
I don’t think drugs “caused the restraint to happen.” I think it was a lack of good moral character that caused the restraint to happen, as well as his other “issues.”
A large man with a history of swallowing drugs upon apprehension who swallowed enough drugs to kill a hippo rather than hand them over, a coroners report showing no physical trauma but massive levels of drugs in his system, a paramedic checking for a pulse under the knee that was allegedly cutting off circulation.
It’s all crap, but like the Supreme Court refusing to even hear electoral challenges the BLM/Antifa violence has scared the system into taking a knee.
Ammo up, this won’t end well.
> One bystander witness broke down in tears on the stand after watching footage showing officers attempting to force Floyd inside a squad car.
That person has a screw loose. People get arrested all the time.
Interesting than none of the bystanders testifying at the trial had any problem with Floyd resisting arrest!
It is all for show. Hell, even a CNN reporter cried on air when doing a segment about this. And behind all of this is China, they love racial division in our country. Thee more division there is, the weaker we are.
It keeps the same left from looking at China abuses too closely.
Hey, Minnesota, how does it feel to know that millions of people who don’t live in your state and will, after this debacle, never visit it, believe you are stinking up the country? This show trial you have cooked up is amazing … and not in a good way.
“Hey, Minnesota, how does it feel to know…”
You could ask the same of Colorado, California, Missouri, New York, Virginia, Oregon, Washington, etc. etc….all states where the leftist metropolitan areas rule.
The borders of the state of Minnesota extend (considerably) beyond St. Paul, Minneapolis, and the Iron Range. People who don’t know that wouldn’t enjoy Minnesota anyway.
you forgot chicago, which is now not safe from murder, carjackings, robbery
Hell the iron range and pretty much everything north herman town swings moderate to conservative now.
Think of the logic being used here: If witnesses FEEL helpless about what they are seeing, or are driven to tears by what they (erroneously) believe Chauvin is doing, then this “proves” that Chauvin murdered George Floyd
Once upon a time, in pre Post America, this evidence would have been ruled inadmissible under the theory that it was prejudicial to the defendant as the emotional baggage clearly outweighs its probative value on the issue of whether Chauvin actually killed Floyd
This of course violates Chauvin’s 6th Amendment right to a fair trial, as does holding the trial in Minneapolis. And how about that right to a speedy trial? What’s with the ten month delay? This aint the Alcoa antitrust case, you know.
good point. its pathetic and sad, but true.
Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
WATCH: Video where officer asks Floyd about foaming at the mouth. Floyd replies he was ‘hooping’ earlier.
(Video linked in tweet)
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1377588049685667840
From the court transcript:
“Franks: Were there things on Floyd’s face that were notable to you?
“[Douglas] Williams: He was in pain, mouth wide open with drool and slob and dryness, and eyes rolling back, and trying to gasp for air and trying to be able to breath as he’s down there, and trying to move his face side to side, I’m assuming gasp for more air.
“Franks: And as you were standing there, how were you feeling?
“Williams: I just was really trying to keep my professionlism-is [sic] and speak out for Floyd’s life I felt he was in very much danger, I SEE ANOTHER MAN LIKE ME BEING CONTROLLED BY –“(the cops!?)
“Franks: Interrupts.
“Cahill: Stop. That answers the question.’”
Williams apparently resents the police attempts to subdue a Black man and should be viewed as a hostile witness.
Typically an impartial judge would not allow the witness testimony beyond one or two since any additional would repetitive, prejudicial and the video speaks for itself.
Defense atty is a prototypical liberal weenie. I’ve dealt with them many times.
They should have just lynched him and then held the trial.
The protected class strikes again.
And Antonio Santiago….one year old…shot in the face by a “man” trying to rob his mother.
Involuntary Manslaughter will be the charge that sticks.
He’ll get 5-10 years. It is what it is.
For the Prosecution, that’s best case, and we’ll get riots because it doesn’t go far enough, and he might not get 5-10 years. This is so politicized that I have no idea what the jury will do. But in cases like this in the past, like George Zimmerman, the jury was able to sort through the media hype and do the right thing.
He was using a training-approved hold on a guy flying high on fentanyl whose protestations about “I can’t breathe” started 10 minutes before they even tried to put him in the police vehicle.
The witness who is pleading the 5th to avoid testifying is probably doing so because he’s a strong witness for the Defense and would probably testify that they were doing and selling fentanyl and other drugs. Floyd’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives because they got a stoned criminal out from behind the wheel of a car.
I was with you right up until your last sentence. That final part is not good reasoning. It is the same as rooting for Chauvin to be convicted and sent to prison for a long time because it will probably save lives by getting a guy off the streets who doesn’t know when to stop with the knee-on-the-neck trick.
Well, actually, I wasn’t with you when you wrote, “He was using a training-approved hold…” You should stop repeating what you were told by Hannity (or wherever you got that bad info from). Hannity never told you that MPD was (is) under a court order, FROM TEN YEARS AGO, to STOP using certain choke holds — including that knee-on-the-neck hold that Chauvin used. Of course, MPD wasn’t going to be ordered around by any Court, so to keep from having further Court Orders against their less than stellar record of use of deadly force, they re-wrote their policy manual. In the re-write, they eliminated the “rear naked choke” type of choke hold, and they segregated the use of knee-on-neck to be used only by officers who were specifically trained to apply that hold without causing death. I do not know if Chauvin received that required — specific — training. But even if he did, the training guidelines specific to the knee-on-neck-hold describe that as a control hold to allow the person to be handcuffed. Once the person is handcuffed, the knee-on-neck is no longer authorized. So what do we see in the video? One officer holding the feet, two officers variably heavily pressing Floyd’s blood-pumping, and air breathing compartment down to the ground. And Chauvin, non-strutting, but like a peacock, a proud big-game hunter with his trophy securely pinned by the neck under his knee. Please don’t say again that Chauvin was, “using a training-approved hold”. After the cuffs are on, the hold is no longer approved.
So we shouldn’t believe the manuals we have seen, nor Hannity, but we should believe you, an unknown internet person with IMO an obvious bias.
It wasn’t a choke hold. The police officer was sitting on the guy! Do you think the officer should have use Jiu-jitsu, Kung Fu or some other TV martial arts farce?
It would have been safer and smarter if Derek Chauvin used the Vulcan neck pinch.
1.Not a choke hold.
2/ approved in the Minneapolis Police manual and the subject on an MPD White paper report in 2010 that found it was the best restraint to use for excited delirium and 3. This particular restraint is used hundreds of times every year with no injuries by police departments all across the country.
1 Not a choke hold. ——> Agreed. I don’t know why people think I said a knee-on-the-neck is a “choke hold”. Those two phrases aren’t even spelled the same! –?
2 The year 2010 is ancient POLICY history for MPD. If you are referencing the 2010 then you need to read more and come up to speed. Between 2010 and 2014 the MPD killed another black man using those “white paper approved” holds. The family sued and won a 10 million dollar judgement which ALSO as part of the settlement required specific training for officers to be authorized to use any of these dangerous holds. The MPD changed their policy in 2013-2014 so that no officer could apply these holds unless they were specifically trained — after this law suit — in how to SAFELY apply these holds. The main concern was death caused by positional asphyxiation. The training required that once officers had control of the subject (i.e. once they had him hand cuffed) that he or she be brought off the ground at least to a sitting position. The MPD certified that, in 2014, all officers had been trained. Of course two of the four in this case were not with MPD in 2014, but Chauvin and Thao were, and did receive the training. Chauvin therefore, knew from that training that death from positional asphyxiation would occur if Floyd was left face-down, handcuffed, and with pressure applied to his back and/or his neck. Even the Chief of Police in Minneapolis recognized that Chauvin completely ignored the training he received to enable use of these holds in a non-lethal manner.
https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/23/minneapolis-police-chief-says-floyds-death-was-murder/
3 This particular restraint is used hundreds of times every year with no injuries by police departments all across the country. —————> Agreed. And there are no injuries, all across the country, because those officers, unlike Chauvin, apply the holds PROPERLY and safely — as the training requires. Those officers are aware that positional asphyxiation is a real danger if the subject is not moved to a sitting position soon after cuffing.
Napoleon, the fact that you refer to “2010” standards, and that you reference a “white paper report” would tend to indicate that you are only parroting what the propagandists want you to know. Have you done no studying yourself?
Then they need to charge everyone else at the scene too.
Free Derek !!!!
https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2021/03/31/derek-chauvin-human-sacrifice-n2587224
Chauvin will lose. It’s predetermined.
Good grief -it is either a fatal dose of Fentanyl or its not–what the eff is the “fatal dose under normal circumstances”. The ME should be stripped of his medical license.
A violent, ex-con junkie is the perfect poster child for the new democrat fascist party. It’s just perfect.
can’t help but wonder if that is why the % of murder by blacks have increased. Overall murder rates went down .02% but murders by black when up.
Its like come on guys look at who you are telling your children to look up to.
CRIME RATES IN US 2019
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43?fbclid=IwAR1mE2c6WC_fH3w0QnUakejdFLmRyqJ48KpZh1-q3lNLLCjULBYenekzMmU
That’s 2019, not 2020. Whatever the statistics are for 2020, it will not be accurate as to black-on-black killings or whites killing blacks. I think you know why.
The Left has been trying to get a factual case upon which they could heavily, justifiably, violently riot. This case had the benefit of available videos IMMEDIATELY supporting their wrongful interpretation of the facts.
It doesn’t matter the court case outcome. They will riot either way. It’s almost summer. The Biden Administration will help deliver rocks & weapons because riots in our cities with people killed by guns will be another threefer: (1) injustice against blacks continues; (2) guns must be confiscated; (3) most whites are White Supremacists. Rioters killing people will not be arrested for not wearing masks.
Probably should have posted this here.
I can’t help but wonder if the key evidence was withheld in order to accomplish the mess that ensued.
Some interesting insight into the Floyd mess…
The Chaupin Trial
“Parry claims prosecutors withheld this information for nearly three months as riots erupted in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Such behavior is normally considered prosecutorial misconduct.
Watch the video, read the medical examiner’s documents, and see how the original narrative was wrong. Will jurors succumb to political pressure and the threat of more rioting, or will they examine the entire video and make their decision based on evidence?”
We will soon know.
https://calthomas.com/2021/03/the-chaupin-trial/
Talk about a clown show, the EMS and Fire Department who responded to the call seem like a bunch of dimwits. Maybe they should have stopped for a cup of coffee on the way, it might have made them move a little faster. This Captain who is testifying couldn’t ask one person where the victim was, did he have to walk around the store looking for a victim. Seriously, you have a radio and a mouth, why not use them.
Did you notice that the EMT and Fire Department were wearing bulletproof vests? LOL
Anyone else find it a little…strange…. how the left is carrying on with this trial, while at the same time screaming about a pandemic, lockdowns, masks and social distancing after letting numerous prisoners out…because of a pandemic?
The same left who protects Cuomo from consequences after his nursing home order killing thousands?
I understand Floyd died, but the left is carrying on as if Chauvin personally set out that morning to lynch anyone in the neighborhood for no reason whatsoever.
What if Chauvin is convicted? Will the left then advocate for letting him out due to the pandemic?
Or is the left just very anxious to start some undocumented shopping and bonfires?
PROSECUTOR: Mr McMillian please take the stand.
JUDGE: Mr McMillian do you swear to tell the whole truth?
CHARLES McMILLIAN: I do.
PROSECUTOR: Mr McMillian, watch this video and see if you can squirt out some tears afterwards.
CHARLES McMILLIAN: Okay.
(Prosecutor shows video of officers attempting to force Floyd inside a squad car. The video, with audio, shows Mr Floyd consistantly telling the officers that he is claustrophobic, and many times verbally begging the officers to not put him into the small enclosed space in the back of the squad car)
PROSECUTOR: (video is stopped) Okay Mr McMillian, go ahead.
CHARLES McMILLIAN: Ohhhhh, booo hooo hooo, waaahhh, waaahhh, sob, sob, waaahhh, waaahhh, sob, sob
PROSECUTOR: Okay, Mr McMillian, how did that make you feel?
CHARLES McMILLIAN: Helpless.
PROSECUTOR: Thank you Mr McMillian — no more questions, your Honor.
DEFENSE ATTORNEY: We have no cross examination, or questions for the witness, you Honor.
JUDGE: Thank you Mr McMillian, you can step down.
That is what Sundance is wanting you to believe happened on the stand. But that is not an accurate account of what happened with Mr McMillian on the stand. Mr McMillian was asked many questions, and Mr McMillian gave many answers. Rather than give an accurate reporting of this witness’s testimony, and allowing us to develop our own opinion, Sundance is using selective editing to give us — all wrapped in a bow — what he thinks our opinion should be. (Manufactured Outrage). Then Sundance only includes information on MEMOS about conversations about drug presence, and drug levels found in Mr Floyd’s blood. None of that matters because MEMOS are not evidence. The MEMOS here are police-and-or-prosecutors’ notes about a conversation they had with the Medical Examiner. That is exactly the definition of “hearsay”. The Medical Examiner is not dead. The Medical Examiner is available to the Court. When the Medical Examiner is put on the stand, under oath, what he says THEN is the only legal evidence. A copy of the Official Autopsy Report is also legal evidence. But MEMOS about what somebody recalls that somebody else said to them is hearsay, not evidence. (Although the Medical Examiner may testify exactly as the MEMOS recall, the MEMOS are not evidence.) Furthermore, the recounting by Sundance of the drug presence, and drug levels, is meaningless precisely because (as shown in the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s press release) the MANNER OF DEATH was ruled a Homocide. Those that think that Homocide=Murder, get that out of your heads. Homocide ONLY means that the death was caused by another human being. That means that, regardless of the drug levels in Mr Floyd’s blood, but for the actions of former Officer Chauvin, Mr Floyd would still be alive.
Finally, Sundance includes a sentence from the Hennepin County Attorney’s MEMO (which is NOT evidence) that says, “[Dr. Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death”. And the trailer-parkers all sing, “oh, so he died from a drug overdose!” No no no no no no no. That sentence is exactly the same meaningless nonsense as the old joke, “If my uncle had boobs, he’d be my aunt”.
Let’s dissect:
“. . .if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else). . .” —- But Floyd was NOT found dead in his home.
“. . .and there were no other contributing factors. . .” —- But there ARE other contributing factors. Those factors are written right there, in plain English, on the Medical Examiner’s press release.
They are these — “…law enforcement subdual”, “…[law enforcement] restraint”, “…AND [law enforcement] NECK COMPRESSION [my emphasis].”
Former Officer Chauvin did not intend to kill George Floyd. So, there was no “murder”. But former Officer Chauvin’s actions resulted in Floyd’s death. So, that is “homocide”. The controlling factor to determine whether Cauvin is guilty of a crime (Minnesota murder 3, or manslaughter) would be the level of provable “callous disregard for human life”. The defense says that Chauvin HAD to keep his knee on Floyd’s neck because there was an unruly mob that was angrily yelling and screaming at him. That has to be counter-weighed by the evidence that the supposed “mob” was angrily screaming at Chauvin to take his knee of Floyd’s neck because “you’re killing him!”, and angrily screaming at Chauvin that “He’s not breathing!”, and angrily screaming at Chauvin “He’s not moving anymore!”. Also add to the balance that one of the other officers clearly asked Chauvin should they roll Floyd over and check on him — which Cauvin refused.
That is not at all an accurate analysis of Sundance’s information on this. Perhaps you should peddle your views elsewhere.
I think this guy belongs on The Huffington Post. He’s trying way to hard.
Hey Joe! Joe here. Interesting response you gave there. So you DO agree with Facebook and Twitter censoring views that differ from the “authorized” view, and you want it to be applied here on Sundance’s site?
aisheschayal — I appreciate the work you do in the medical field. What I wrote here was not an analysis of Sundance’s information on this. Instead, my comment was an exposé of the LACK of Sundance’s information on this.
I generally benefit from most of the articles written here, and the tweets on TheLastRefuge, but every so often an article appears that reeks of disinformation and focused propaganda.
If a person thinks that George Floyd deserved to die — because he was a bad man, and that former Officer Chauvin should be found ‘not guilty’ because he rid this world of a bad man — then that person and I would never agree.
The forces that are continually dividing us by continually driving us into opposing camps — all so they can keep control over us — are hard at work on this Floyd-Chauvin issue. These forces are the SAME forces that have Maddow pumping-up the gullible on the Democrat and Liberal side, and have Hannity, Alex Jones, and the late Rush Limbaugh pumping-up the gullible on the Republican and Conservative side. They accomplish this by only providing part of the truth and then editorialize in between.
Don’t you think something may be fishy in a story that talks about Charles McMillian being on the stand, and giving testimony, but only lets us readers know that McMillian cried (?sometime?) after viewing a short part of a video, and only recounts for us one single word from ALL of the words McMillian spoke on the stand (that one single word the author shares with us being the word “helpless”)?
“ Mr McMillian was asked many questions, and Mr McMillian gave many answers.”
One of the more germane was that Pretty Boy Floyd had foam coming from his mouth—a sure indication that he was in the throes of a fatal drug overdose.
If this is what the Medical Examiner calls
“HOMICIDE” then the killer was Pretty Boy Floyd’s dealer.
Please don’t do that. You don’t know George Floyd, and George Floyd never did anything to you personally. If you are an honest, decent person, you’ll agree that we shouldn’t disparage the dead. We can speak truth about the dead (e.g. George Floyd was a criminal). Calling a dead man derisive names is not becoming. Please don’t do that.
As far as your comment that Floyd “had foam coming from his mouth — a sure indication that he was in the throes of a fatal drug overdose.” — you are only spouting the propaganda which was selectively spoon-fed to you. George Floyd died. The Medical Examiner ruled that his death was a homicidal (i.e. caused by another human being), and that the contributing factors were the POLICE officers there (my paraphrase).
So, according to the Medical Examiner, it was not the foaming at the mouth caused by drugs that caused Floyd’s death. It was the human being Police Officers who caused the homicide. No one claims that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd.
The Medical Examiner ruled that his death was a homicide… (spelling fix)
Do you mean *this* propaganda?
Prosecutor Eldridge:
“Foam in his mouth?”
McMiiilian: “Yes, foam in and out of his mouth.”
If you still don’t get it I will have to refer to you as Slow Joe, defender of Pretty Boy Floyd.
“If you are an honest, decent person, you’ll agree that we shouldn’t disparage [Pretty Boy Floyd].”
I don’t assume that either descriptor applies to you and you are invited to make the same assumption about me.
Jeez. . . it’s like I’m playing cards with my brother’s kids!
There are no assumptions in my statement.
The English sentence to which you refer is called a “conditional statement”. Conditional statements typically take the form of:
“If. . . (condition),
Then. . . (condition).
As below:
“If. . . (you are an honest, decent person),
Then. . . (you’ll agree that we shouldn’t disparage the dead).
I’m sorry that you choose to be that way. But that is what freedom of speech, and freedom of opinion is all about. I will leave you with this “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Love you.
Why did the ME specifically say “neck compression”, when he indicated there were no injuries to his neck and didn’t list any evidence of asphyxiation? What in the autopsy gives support to “neck compression” having occurred? What does “neck compression” mean? I compressed my wifes neck last night as I was massaging her neck and shoulders. I will be interested to hear the ME’s testimony.
I read the autopsy report. Yes, it was described as homicide, but not one fact in the report would lead one to believe that statement. It was completely unsubstantiated in the report. It simply appears out of thin air, perhaps for policy reasons or for political reasons, but not for factual reasons.
What you cite about the report is actually unscientific bias. This is why they have double blind tests. Because external information taints and biases conclusions.
The crowd was completely unaware of the drugs in Floyds system and they were jumping to conclusions. Dumb people do that.
There is no reason to believe that Chauvin had anything to do with Floyds death. Nothing. Every conclusion you jump to by watching the video is completely dismissed by the examiner report. Every single one. And the FACTS in the examiner report are FAR more scientific.
The fentanol levels unto themself constitute reasonable doubt. It isn’t even close.
It would seem the coroner was concerned that he might end up on his own table if he didn’t prevaricate.
This is at once droll and sobering. ??
I’m not sure what you read, but the autopsy report, nowhere, “. . .described [it] as homicide”.
Autopsies do not list the Manner of Death.
It did not “. . .simply appear out of thin air” because it does not “appear” in the autopsy in the first place.
Acknowledging the “drugs in Floyds system”, nonetheless, but for the actions of Officer Chauvin, George Floyd would still be alive. Regardless of what Hannity says.
Check out video of Floyd in the store right before he passed the counterfeit bill.
High as Fuch and literally dancing around with a banana in his hand.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/video/2021/04/01/george_floyds_bizarre_behavior_minutes_before_fatal_police_encounter_nyp_770924.html
Keep the big picture in mind:
On 5/22/2020 Biden made his infamous “….then you ain’t black” gaffe, apologized that day, but kept getting hammered in the press.
THREE DAYS LATER……
On 5/25/2020 the Floyd overdose video went out and the drumbeat for a diversion from Biden’s racism – in the form of violent race riots – began.
That was NOT a coincidence.
This was always about the left’s fear of losing some more of the black vote and doing what they did in Ferguson, Baltimore and elsewhere. ….inciting violence to keep their slaves agitated and in line. But it really didn’t work and they had to steal the election anyway.
I have NO desire to watch one second of this. FOX is promoting it for ratings plus the lying msm. They are conducting a live reality play for the blacks to show how evil whitey is. This should not even be televised. It can promote riots. It’s wallowing in a tragedy for ratings and showing the white man as the only terrorist in America.
Please lets pray for Chauvin and his fellow officers.
Regarding the examiners report, Scientific American magazine actually created a long article disavowing science in this case. Think about how powerful the elite must be regarding their white supremacist narrative, to get the intelligent people at SciAm to DISAVOW SCIENCE. Reminds me of the Scorcese film “Silence”. It is all very very tragic.
Although one good thing come from all this, it does underscore how disingenuous the left is when they claim to be the defenders of science.
Scientific American has been ‘leftist’ and climate change, etc for years. I stopped reaing it long ago, after it was bought by the Germans
I guess when a ME stated clearly, the Floyd had 1.5x the drugs necessary to kill him in his system and his girlfriend testified his dealer was in the car with him and he stated clearly in video he was “hooping” it up earlier (that doesn’t mean playing basketball folks), we just ignore all this and suggest it was a racial, intentional, homicide by 3 law enforcement officers?
The answer is, once again, do not resist arrest (especially if you have enough drugs in your system to kill yourself 1.5x before resisting arrest.)
Just saying…….
The resisting actually only helped Floyd, at least his relatives.
your advice is too complicated for the average multi-voter-by mail
IOW – Floyd committed suicide and was assisted by the dealer in his car.
A white person laying hands on a black person?
Oh, we can’t have that. It’s like a peasant putting his hands on a member or Royalty.
todays scorecard:
length of trial: 4 days
number of witnesses: 5-10 (whatever)
number of times Chauvin has been indicated to be a racist through his words, action etc: 0
number of Covid victims saved because of this trial:0
Suicide by cop is the trash American version of 72 virgins.
I don’t buy into emotions much. So far, the prosecution hasn’t shown any “murder”, just emotional rhetoric.
It appears that Floyd was high on Fentanayl, meth, weed, and caffeine. A lethal combination. He also appears to have tried ingesting drugs as he was being arrested so as to not be caught with them. An action that could lead to overdose.
He clearly resisted arrest. I saw the video that the corrupt media doesn’t show. He asked to be put on the ground. It appears he was put on the ground and restrained so he could not fight police while paramedics were coming but it was too late. The crowd was hostile from the get go (police and black men). Cops just did their job while having to keep a wary eye on the crowd. That distracted them from paying more attention to Floyd.
This isn’t murder. This is a person overdosing on drugs, and fighting police while handcuffed. His own actions caused his death. He couldn’t breathe long before they ever put him on the ground. He said it many times.
So we will see how the trial unfolds but I am not seeing a crime here so far other than Floyds.
Why are these cupcakes upset with yet another endless stream of violent black men committing a crime, high on drugs, resisting arrest???
I am totally not interested in this kangaroo court trial.
I believe the entire episode from the drugging of Floyd, the passing of the counterfeit $20 bill, the reporting to the manager, the calling of the police, the fiasco trying to arrest a drugged to death 6’7″ 260 lb man who was discovering his fate too late, the full circle of people on the street taking video of the incident, the resulting 2 months of rioting by the peaceful protesters, the go fund me type crap soliciting money from corporations for BLM which somehow became campaign money for the Democraps, the defunding of police departments to help hooligans ransack businesses without getting arrested, the filing of murder charges including the obligatory unconstitutional thought crimes.
Follow this with about a bazillion taxpayer dollars spent trying to please the Democrap minions of an offshore Globalist Communist who would try to finance the selling of a stupid slogan called Black Lives Matter just to foment racial tension in a country, that believes in equality under the law, in order to replace that belief with equality of outcomes on a racial and ethnic group basis. This, as part of his plan to destroy the last real bastion of liberty so his dream can be realized before he croaks.
Anyone else can give a damn if they want to, but I don’t buy this bill of goods from a bunch of BLM/Communists. The cop was arrested because, in Minnesota most people and cops are white, so they got the crime they wanted on video. It sure looks like a preplanned white wash, as it were, to me.
Let me know what turns out differently after the Gubmint’s show trial is over.
George Floyd stoned out of his mind dancing around in the convenience store a few minutes before the police arrive and before he swallowed the remaining Fentanyl he had to avoid violation of his parole:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/video/2021/04/01/george_floyds_bizarre_behavior_minutes_before_fatal_police_encounter_nyp_770924.html
I just looked up what effects the combination of meth and fentanyl would have on a person. People are combining these 2 drugs more and more, called a “speedball”, giving a better high. But one is a stimulant, the other a sedative. The meth high generally lasts longer than the fentanyl causing a dramatically increased heart rate.This can lead to arrhythmia, increased blood pressure, and potential heart issues such as heart failure.
THis is all just a dog and pony show. This poor guy will never walk. If we had any semblance of real justice in society Hillary would be hanging in the gallows and families of utter thugs would receive ZERO from the DOJ. Floyd would have perished anyway, succumbed to the drugs.
On that note, why didn’t any other officer help Chauvin restrain this guy?
By “help restrain” do you mean like when Kueng and Lane held his legs to keep Pretty Boy Floyd from thrashing around?
This is a Star Chamber Show Trial and every white person in the United States should pay attention. The crosshairs of a corrupt and two tiered justice system, fueled by the Radix Malorum-Progressive 4th Estate, Big Tech and the D 卐 M ☭ CRAT Deep State are now, trying, by proxy, every white cop and every white male in the United States for a murder that never happened.
There is NO Mens Rae criminal intent and in fact the officer followed procedure and protocols. That doesn’t matter. He will be led to slaughter for our collective “sins”. Our “white privilege”, “Institutional and Systemic Racism”, “micro-aggressions”, etc. etc.
This could have all been avoided, had Minnesota Attorney General Kieth Ellison, surely the most loathsome and contemptible public official since Andrew Weissmann ( A Jewish man, who is literally a Nazi.) released the full video in the days following the incident.
Ellison sat on the entire video, only releasing the part showing the officer with his knee on St. George Floyd’s neck. The entire video reveals a far different picture than what the chattering class would have us believe.
Keith Ellison knew. Keith Ellison knew the the truth when cities were burning. Keith Ellison knew the truth when people were dying. Keith Ellison knew the truth when stores were looted and burned. Keith Ellison knew the truth when hundreds of police officers were wounded and innocents were bloodied and beaten over the last 6 months. Keith Ellison knew the truth when his BLM/Thug/DNC Brown Shirts effected a nightly “Beer Hall Putsch” in the streets of American cities night after night.
There is a straight line, categorical reference, from the exculpatory video, now available, which would have, at least to some extent, diminished the outrage and modified the opinions of all Americans, to the worst riots in American history.
Keith Ellison, who is surely one of the most evil, nefarious, deceptive and criminal bureaucrats ever to hold office, is responsible for the lion’s share of hatred, violence and destruction that has turned many of our cities into a real live, boots on the ground, Hieronymus Bosch painting.
Now, the damage is in the bank and on the books. That looting, burning, assaults, that anger, that chaos must have a quid pro quo and the pound of flesh, will be white and certainly NOT visited on the heads of the actual thugs who wrecked cities, neighborhoods and business’.
This cop is marching up the hill to Golgotha, where he will be crucified for our “sins”.
F GEORGE FLOYD
i know I m just a dumbazz but isn t there something called resisting arrest? it used to be if you ran from the police what happened is you went to jail tired, if you fought the police during arrest you usually went to the doctor before jail.
Unless all the jurors simply ignore the law (actual statutes) there’s no way Chauvin will be convicted of the top two charges. On the other hand, unless the defense can convince the jurors that Floyd would likely have died (from OD etc) even without Chauvin’s actions, he probably WILL be convicted of the lowest charge:
609.205 Manslaughter in the Second Degree
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means…
(1) by the person’s culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another.
I’m not saying if that’s true or not, but it seems to me where this is headed. Of course that won’t be good enough for the lynch mob…. they’ll say Chauvin got off easy (facing probably about 5 years), and will GLADLY riot anyway. How else they gonna get their FREE STUFF?
The media has its guns out.