President Trump Notes Odd Behavior of Buffalo Protester…

President Donald Trump has noted the unusual behavior of the Buffalo protester who was captured on a now-viral video last week:

Coincidentally, as we noted at the time of the incident something does indeed seem sketchy with the behavior of Mr. Martin Gugino both before and during the encounter.

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Mr. Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional activist, agitator and Antifa provocateur who brags on his blog about the number of times he can get arrested and escape prosecution. Also, according to Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown remarking on the incident: “here has been vandalism, there have been fires set, there have been stores broken into & looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key major instigator of people engaging in those activities.”

Mr. Gugino’s Twitter Account is also filled with anti-cop sentiment [SEE HERE]. Last Thursday Gugino traveled from his New York home in Amherst, to Buffalo where he was seen on camera agitating a protest crowd. One of the protesters remarked just before the event that Mr. Gugino was “acting like an asshole”, and “trying to get punched in the face.”

During his engagement Gugino appears to be attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers. CTH noted what he was attempting on Thursday night as soon as the now viral video was being used by media to sell a police brutality narrative. [Thread Here] Over the weekend a more clear video emerged that shows what he was attempting.

In the slow motion video, you will see Gugino using a device (phone?) as a frequency scanner. You might have heard the term “skimming”; it’s essentially the same. Watch him use his right hand to first scan the mic of officer one (top left of chest). Then Gugino moves his hand to the communications belt of the second officer. WATCH CLOSELY:

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The capture of communications signals [explained in detail here] is a method of police tracking used by Antifa to monitor the location of police. In some cases the more high tech capture software can even decipher communication encryption allowing the professional agitators to block (black-out), jam, or interfere with police communication. In addition, many police body-cams are bluetooth enabled which allows syncing.

Unfortunately in the modern era the professional agitators have become very sophisticated and use technology to help create chaos. Their activity is highly coordinated, and as James O’Keefe has revealed in his undercover operations these professionals even stage events to manipulate public opinion.

When he was pushed away by the officers Gugino fell and presumably hit his head. As a consequence of the shove, the two officers were suspended and the Buffalo authorities have arrested and charged the two police officers. In a show of support the entire Buffalo police unit that makes up the Emergency Response Team resigned their position.

On Friday Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown admitted Gugino was a professional ‘agitator’ who tried to work up the crowd and had been asked to leave the area ‘numerous’ times.

However, despite the known ideology and intent of Mr. Gugino; and despite a more careful look at the video highlighting exactly what Gugino was attempting; the Buffalo authorities are frozen by political correctness and have now arrested and charged the two officers.

(Via Daily Mail) – Two Buffalo cops have been arrested and charged with second degree assault after they shoved a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground Thursday causing him to crack his head open on the sidewalk, as hundreds of colleagues gathered outside the city court in solidarity to cheer their release without bail.

Aaron Torgalski and Robert McCabe were each charged with one count of assault in the second degree in a court hearing Saturday morning over the shocking incident that left peaceful protester Martin Gugino in a ‘serious condition’ in hospital.

The cops were arraigned in a virtual court hearing where they both pleaded not guilty to the charges and the two cops hid from the view of the camera.

They each face up to seven years in prison if convicted of the class D felony. They were released without bail and will appear back in court on July 20.(read more)

It would appear Mr. Martin Gugino succeeded in his endeavor:

buffalo protester on phone

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336 Responses to President Trump Notes Odd Behavior of Buffalo Protester…

  1. theasdgamer says:

    But wouldn’t Gugino have been busted by the EMTs? No, a buddy could have removed any paraphernalia that would have looked weird. And they are governed by HIPAA as is the hospital staff, so none of them will bust him. He was awake and alert the same night. OoooKaaaay.

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  2. John Good says:

    I wish Canada had an honest, patriotic leader like Donald J. Trump, who is un-doing all the anti-American policies of the Obama Administration & he’s a NY Brawler to boot!

    Instead we are stuck with the “Socialist-Twit” who is nothing more than a puppet for China & the Globalists, who was PLACED in power here, because Stephen Harper refused to sign Canada onto the Paris Climate-Change Treaty Scam.

    I remember the excitement here in Ontario when Doug Ford a Conservative Businessman from Toronto was elected to replace the “lesbian” Wynn who controlled Ontario for 10 yrs. Well, turns out that Doug Ford is a Liberal after all, who is not at all like his brother Rob Ford!

    Although Ontario is NOW the 2nd worst economy in Canada, Doug Ford has drank the Liberal Koolaid by believing un-qualified Gov’t experts about the Covid-19 Scam & refuses to open Ontario’s economy & I can’t even find a public restroom OPEN that is not in a big-store that you have to line up outside with all the “sheeple” wearing their masks OUTSIDE!

    I should have stayed in Florida till this Scam was over! GRRR!

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  3. sunnydaze says:

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    • grumpyqs says:

      ABC referred to this report from OAN as coming from a “right wing fringe network” that Trump is known to sometimes watch. I’ve come to appreciate OAN reporting and this confirms my choice is good.

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      • GB Bari says:

        Any news outlet that reports truth is referred to as “fight fringe” by the hard Leftwing MSM.

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      • Elle says:

        Haha. All over the country people sick of this BS said, “What’s this OAN Network that ABC hates?”

        No such thing as bad publicity. The MSM has lost
        so much credibility that The slur “right wing fringe” now has only the power to help keep their karens kneeling. But so what? They are mostly a lost cause anyway.

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      • suejeanne1 says:

        Another question . . . who closed Martin Gugino’s Twitter so that his comment regarding the police are not seen?

        If he is still in the hospital all this time, who did that?

        I really feel for those police lining up on that street as it is now well after the curfew and this side show pops up . . .

        If Martin Gugino was a poor soul that wandered out of a local nursing home, looking for his car or his wife or his old house, but he was apparently clear-minded and well enough to ride his motorcycle to get there from Amherst, if that one account is correct – but it was very much staged I think to get that initial sympathy – oh, the poor guy, just trying to ask them a question or give them a helmet back he found on the ground?

        So if someone else has cleaned up his info – who would that be – did he do a good job or is he a freelancing wannabe who has always been a thorn in the side and now he may wind up in a New York nursing home?

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        • suejeanne1 says:

          so that his comments regarding the police are not seen?

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        • As a Man Thinkth says:

          Looks to me as if he is an old Hippie that joined Weather Undetground back in the day. I suspect that he has been rioting and protesting since he was 15 and drove down to advise the “newbies” on the fundamentals of looting and burning…

          The radio scanner is a dead ringer, that appears to be exactly what he was sent to accomplish…If our famous FBI would throughly check out all his communications they may discover that he is part of a MUCH BIGGER organization, but that would involve charges and a surch warrent…So, the actual wheels of justice have been turned backwards and they have charged the police…
          Sounds like Lawfare is alive and well in Buffalo NY…

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          • As a Man Thinkth says:

            search warrent…

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          • suejeanne1 says:

            “If our famous FBI would throughly check out all his communications they may discover that he is part of a MUCH BIGGER organization, but that would involve charges and a surch warrent” . . . yes! Oh, but they had to concentrate their efforts in the case of the NASCAR, Bubba Wallace and the garage door pull!

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  4. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “Gugino fell and presumably hit his head.”

    He must be putting on quite a show over at the Erie County Medical Center, because earlier today WIVB-TV (local CBS affiliate) was reporting he is still there, listed in allegedly “serious” condition.

    I have a younger brother that was discharged from there about 3 weeks ago. He suffered two broken ribs and a punctured lung. That occured a little after midnight on Sunday and he came home the following Tuesday, late in the afternoon.

    Maybe he has really good health insurance, IDK…/sarc

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  5. MfM says:

    John Kerry and Bernie Sanders both are around this guy’s age – mid 70s.

    They have been politically involved and protesting since the 1960s. It is not a stretch that this guy has also.

    Zero doubt in my mind that Trump knows more about this guy then he knows himself. Back during the 60s the Feds monitored activists.

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  6. Suzy Jules says:

    Shouldn’t have balance problems doing 45 minute motorcycle drive for a 75 year old man. Any way when curfew is 7PM, you have no business approaching police at 7:20p. Actions have consequences, except for demoncrats who are always above the law. Be careful in ICU you might catch nosocomial COVID. Should have stated home.

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    • GT1885 says:

      I believe there was less force exerted by the police person than everyone is clamoring about. Also, how did his ankles get crossed so quickly after ending up on the ground. That doesn’t seem to be a natural consequence of a fall backwards after supposedly hitting one’s head on concrete. He also seemed to be sitting up on the gurney pretty well for someone with a supposed bleeding crack on one’s skull.

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  7. Ace says:

    I live in Buffalo.
    I stumbled upon a Homeland Security bust while driving. The HS van went screaming by me with lights and sirens going. I turned around and drove to the scene. When I was at a stop light, they were searching a SUV, and were surrounding a man who was wearing heavy gloves on an 88 degree day. That’s all I saw, except backup local police showing up.

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    • BigAlSouth says:

      Can you contact somebody In Buffalo to check the spot where Gugino fell and spray with Luminol? If the blood wasn’t blood, it would answer lots of questions.

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  8. Wingman says:

    He favors that pinko commie Alan Alda.

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  9. Brant says:

    Looks like you can even see the little fake blood pack on the back of his head. Noone that gray and bald has a little tuft of dark hair.

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    • Look closely. The red liquid came out of his right ear, not the back of his head. Very weird that the “bleeding” began immediately from an area without trauma.

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      • I guess not so weird: More severe injuries or traumas to the head may cause bleeding from the ears. These types of injuries are often due to an accident, a fall, or a sports injury. In cases when bleeding from the ears accompanies a head injury, the person may have a concussion.

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        • MustangBlues says:

          Mark: Well, you must be right in your hypothetical of what could be about his fakey fall and head injury, and of course, now sharp minds turn to the question of how many aged

          viet nam activists could dance on the head of a pen after falling on his butt and banging his head keeping care his cell phone did not leave his hand, and crossing his legs while his videographer buddy videoed the emts and other guilty copy/white people. Solved for sure, By further hypotheses, right??

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      • lftpm says:

        It’s definitely the ear. Notice the strange black object in his ear when he’s scanning the cops. That could be a blood pack. Too bad the camera doesn’t track during the fall. He could have manually popped it, or it could have been a radio-controlled device. However, the pack could not produce nearly the volume shown on the ground in the latter stages of the video.

        Hemorrhage from the ear canal is rare, and it normally requires massive head trauma. For a single impact to the occiput, it requires a basilar skull fracture. A backward fall from a 2nd story balcony could do it. The thing is, the volume of bleeding we see would imply an intracranial epidural hemorrhage, putting the victim into grave or critical condition, not just serious condition.

        We don’t know who did the recording. It’s possible the blood was digitally manufactured at a post-recording editing workstation. This would be consistent with nobody’s trying to give any first aid, or even bending over the victim to assess state of consciousness.

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  10. FPCHmom says:

    Kurt’s take – good 6 min video

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  11. Brant says:

    An the NPR cameraman conveniently did not have the actual fall. He could have practiced falling. But, elbows. Kind of rolled down.

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    • GB Bari says:

      The camera from across the street showed he hit his head seemingly pretty hard right on the back of the skull. That clip is on the nbc article linked in a prior comment.

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  12. evergreen says:

    Sorry, I understand the lead-up to the encounter and can buy pretty much anything anyone is selling regarding this guy being a POS agitator.

    That said, he cracked his noggin, and I’d be begoggled if his doctors could not produce an x-ray to show it.

    Here’s the deal: regardless of the alleged pernicious activity or the background of the agitator/protestor prior to the encounter, the facts remain these…
    1. he moved (moved, as it launched with intent and closed a substantial distance to do so) against a phalanx of riot police who were clearing the area.
    2. the phalanx was impeded and stopped briefly to deal with this guy. Note: they could have bulldozed him at phalanx speed and rebuffed him at 2x that in reverse (meaning he’d have actually flown backwards rather than stumbled).
    3. the police, three of them simultaneously, used non-lethal force to push him out of their space.
    4. by his own condition and malcoordination–whether he took a dive on purpose or fell completely by accident–he lost his balance and footing and hit the deck hard.
    5. because he engaged the riot police when dissuaded NOT to, and because he refused to yield as he was ordered, and because he was carrying on in a pernicious way (waving his cell phone at the cops’ radios), he was dealt with as would have been any other citizen: BUMP, “get back!”

    The findings in a court of law should be that he will OWN his outcome because the riot police did not engage in excessive behavior.

    FORGET about conspiracy to commit mayhem or any other such accusations against the guy. He needs not fulfill any of that characterization in order to OWN his poor outcome. He owns it based upon the facts above. Anything beyond that may actually contaminate the jury (the public) with conspiracy talk that does nothing to enhance his own guilt and responsibility in this matter. Keep it simple, keep to the basic facts. Those are the only things that can save the two riot cops at this point.

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    • Coast says:

      I agree, and I’m tired of the MSM saying he was pushed or knocked “down”. He wasn’t….he was pushed back. Most normal people would not have fallen, much less take a backward head dive. His fault, and his fault only.

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      maybe besides providing that resounding cracking noise, the helmet also helped him break his fall?

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      • jello333 says:

        The more I think about it, that sound was WAY too loud and sharp to have been his head… because if it WAS indeed his head, he would have been either dead or close to it. That wasn’t just your average bump-on-the-back-of-the-head sound.

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  13. Laurie Walker says:

    I find it curious that he had his helmet and wasn’t wearing a mask in his earlier encounters.

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    • lftpm says:

      Right you are.

      Above, I pointed out that there was something on his ear when he approached the cops. Was it a blood bag? Too much blood on the ground for that.

      Afterwards I saw a blown-up screenshot from just after the fall. It showed a plastic tube emerging from underneath Gugino’s mask running with the mask strap, semi-u-turning and terminating close to the earhole. Gugino was on his back, on the ground. The screenshot showed some blood anterior to and ABOVE the earhole, which could not occur with natural bleeding, because with Gugino on his back, the ear canal was angled downward, so this angle and gravity would force all bloodflow to be directed towards the ground as it exited the earhole. But the plastic tube pointed AT the ear, could leave blood above and anterior to the earhole.

      Either the screenshot was fake, or the bleeding ear was a prop-aided hoax. I’m leaning to hoax because the basilar fracture required to produce this bleeding, originating from inside the skull and exiting through the ear canal would have been catastrophic. For one thing, the eardrum would have had to be blown, which would take arterial pressure. For another, blood would have also passed through one or both eustachian tubes, causing a bloody nose.

      Gugino would have had to sustain a massive intracranial hemorrhage. He would not possibly have been alert 12 hours later, because he would either be dead, or still be in the OR, or else he would be intubated in the ICU and completely grogged out from brain swelling and anesthesia–assuming he was not in an induced coma to treat brain swelling, and life-threatening intracranial hypertension.

      My conclusion is that not knowing anything about medicine, Gugino and his imaginative friends concocted a B-horror-movie-grade “gory injury”, that was actually impossible in real life.

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  14. Kelvin says:

    Does anyone find it strange that Gugino is holding his phone for about 8-10 seconds while unconscious. Let me explained, if you suffer a severe head injuries leading to bleeding from the ear. You are certain to be unconscious when that happen. If you look at his right hand, while blood can be found on the concrete payment as he bleed from his ear, he is still holding his cell phone for about 8 to 10 seconds before he drop it to the ground. How can an unconscious person hold onto his phone? Unless he is faking it.

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    • evergreen says:

      I’ll disagree that it has any relevance.

      He hit hard and the smack was audible to the police on the opposite side of the street. They paused when they saw and heard him hit, even letting out audible “oohhs”…they knew in an instant the guy was in a bad way.

      Regardless of his intent–I’ll go against the consensus and make the point for the sake of argument as though he were a simple protestor with no special design or actions–his presence before the cops is what landed him in his situation. Period, end of story. Don’t read into it any malfeasance, because is butt is paying for his stupidity and so are the cops, so in the interest of getting the cops a fair hearing and ultimate exoneration, lay off the conspiracy icing on this guy’s guilty-as-sin cake.

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      • TwoLaine says:

        I doubt very highly that they “heard” anything. They probably saw it happening and let out their ooooohs.

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      • GB Bari says:

        I saw that clip and have to agree.
        Unless that was a “deep fake”, which I doubt, but I don’t have proof either way.

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        have you ever dropped a ripe watermelon on pavement or hard floor? That’s pretty much what that dude’s head sounded like. comical and sickening at the same time. No one to blame but himself, but still kinda sucks bc human. Well, maybe human, maybe weird creepy overbite alien.

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      • suejeanne1 says:

        heard the crack of the helmet?

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        • lftpm says:

          Yes, the same-side-of-the-street mic pics up a very loud crack, definitely not a head. My head has made that sound hitting the pavement, or I should say my bike helmet on my head has. It’s also reminiscent of football on TV in hard helmet-to-helmet impacts.

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      • Skycookiee says:

        That was the helmet he was carrying that you heard!

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      • Kelvin says:

        The act of holding onto something require consciousness. Try holding your your breath underwater when you are unconscious…it’s impossible. The sound you hear is his helmet hitting the ground as some witnesses claimed and not necessary his head hitting the concrete.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      He also crossed his feet at the ankles. Who can do that in a real fall?

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    • Tolerance4 says:

      Not only that, but his legs are comfortably crossed while lying on the ground. He is not out cold, the fall was planned.

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  15. He’s been an activist for at least 15 years. Wanted to close Guantánamo and end torture. His friends are upset about President Trump’s tweet.
    http://witnessagainsttorture.com/2020/06/09/martin-gugino-the-buffalo-protestor-and-our-friend/

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    • nimrodman says:

      Activist Gugino and his activist friends haz a sad

      Yeah, I stumbled on this Young Turks youtube where they commend Gugino as a HERO, in part because Gugino was complimented or vouched for by another HERO, an activist that had broken into a nuclear submarine base

      … or something … I only half-listened for about 30 seconds before I had enough

      Young Turks – Buffalo Cops Assaulted An AMERICAN HERO, Meet Martin Gugino

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  16. Auwtsnae says:

    According to the Western New York Peace Center:
    June 6th, 2020
    “As you all know by now, our dear friend and longtime member Martin Gugino was the victim of yet another instance of widespread police cruelty throughout this country. Martin, who is also the Treasurer of the Latin American Solidarity Committee (a taskforce of the WNY Peace Center) is well-known in the activist community both through his work with the WNYPC on many issues including Racial Justice, Prisoners’ Rights (especially re: the Erie County Holding Center), Environmental Justice, and more; as well as his dedication to activism (including Witness Against Torture re: shutting down Guantanamo; supporter of Catholic Workers, PUSH Buffalo, etc). Martin has advocated for peace for decades, and is passionate about issues of injustice, including torture, militarization of the police, and climate change. He is deeply concerned about weaponized drones and nuclear weapons, and a stalwart friend of the Kings Bay Plowshares 7, themselves facing 20 years when they are sentenced this month.”

    (The Kings Bay Plowshares 7 broke into a nuclear submarine base and vandalized it.)

    The WNYPC claims Gugino was attempting to give the officers a helmet.
    The video doesn’t support that claim.
    He was attempting to wave his phone over their portable radios, most likely to capture their tactical communications frequencies.

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    • nimrodman says:

      (The Kings Bay Plowshares 7 broke into a nuclear submarine base and vandalized it.)

      yeah, that’s talked about in the young turks video just above

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  17. americalsgt says:

    He’s a Weatherelderman

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  18. Kaco says:

    I hope facts come out if they really are true, but I doubt it.

    So at this point I hope people have a very short memory of Pres Trump’s tweet.

    I’m going to say something else in case anyone reads here.

    I didn’t like the Joe Scarborough tweets. It showed he had no problem associating with him after the death when they were nice and flattering to him. He doesn’t voice any suspicions on him until after Joe’s attacks and is very accusatory and asks to investigate. Didn’t POTUS actually say he used them and dumped them? So if this guy really committed murder, what does that say about using him knowingly?

    I don’t think our President should be tweeting about this. Look how Obama did damage starting with that professor who was trying to get into his house and the police thought he was suspicious. That’s how the race ware has started.

    I just don’t think Pres Trump should be tweeting speculations and accusing people if it turns out to be false.

    It doesn’t always turn out to be true, and if it is, the truth might not see the light of day.

    I don’t think this is the same as the Obama wiretapping tweets.

    I don’t think Pres Trump would lose his supporters but it would dishearten some and if this continues, who knows. I worry about independents and gaining more support because we need the monster vote again and then some. The Dems will do any cheating they can get by with.

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    • 813.52Ran says:

      Perhaps because of President Trump’s current job, he is privy to some information about Scarborough that he didn’t have before. New info.

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      • bcgone says:

        I really don’t care what info the President May or May not have. The officers could have had him arrested right then and there. And removed.
        I’ve seen police push a woman down a flight of stairs because she jumped in their face – and it wasn’t even a tense situation. An old man was piledriven into concrete for approaching an officer for help with a flat tire. There are times when police can be wrong.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      Stop worrying. He is shining a light on a serious issue that needs to be looked into ASAP, a fraudster, a phony and a fake, and especially so that it does not get swept under the rug. Buffalo PD has to step up and do the right thing.

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    • MustangBlues says:

      Kaco: as a favor to a wandering readers of posts here, could you resist the urge to tell everyone what you think President Trump should be saying , or doing, or planning or ordering or thinking???

      Could you suffer the self denial of your certain correctness of what his decisions should be?

      Takes a big person, to shut up about what little they know, and zip it.

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      • Kaco says:

        No, that message was if someone from the administration was reading.

        I don’t make it a habit of criticizing my President so please point out where this has been a chronic issue of mine.

        These particular tweets with their subject matter were very troubling and the perception of which could contribute to any jeopardy with his reelection.

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    • theasdgamer says:

      And the fakenewsmedia has quit pushing the Gugino angle because they know it’s a hoax.

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  19. ezgoer says:

    Stupid incursion into an unnecessary fight. Nothing for Trump to gain from wading into this, only downside risk. Just gave the media and Dems another hammer to hit him with.

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  20. jello333 says:

    They’re pretending he was slammed to the ground or something. It wasn’t even much of a “shove”. Well, I’ll admit it depends on the age and physical condition of the person, and so yeah, even a light shove of a 75-year-old can be enough. But why they (media etc) feel the need to make it into some sadistic attack on a poor innocent old man, I don’t understand. Or wait… yes I DO understand.

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  21. TwoLaine says:

    This man could have been wearing a suicide vest and the phone was the activator for all the police knew. At 75 he should have know better, but he’s a known provocateur and quite braggadocious about it. He did know better. He initiated the actions that befell him.

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  22. Tornarosa says:

    MSM is playing highly edited composite video cuts fragments, garbage.
    This is a video from across the street, intact. You can hear a loud noise when he falls that causes the echelon to stop and look at him. Most think it’s his head hitting the concrete. I think it’s his MC helmet hitting the cement. That’s exactly what it sounds like, kind of a hollow !Crack! noise.. If you don’t agree, do you think it was a special silenced helmet? A head hitting concrete without the benefit of something breaking the fall makes a sickening thud you won’t ever forget, I know I haven’t. Gugino appears to execute a perfect PLF (parachute landing fall) hitting butt, back, shoulder to absorb the fall

    https://mobile.twitter.com/chadloder/status/1268718323199406080

    That amount of blood could only come from a catastrophic head injury like a gunshot wound, as in JFK. The middle ear is a hollow chamber with little bones in it. The artery in the eardrum is a little tiny one. Blood doesn’t squirt out the ear on one side if you hit the back of your head like that.

    If he hit hard enough to fracture the hardest bone in the body, the Petrus (Rock) Bone, there could be a lot of blood and CSF fluid, but he would be dead or dying. Dutchman, Hans, and maybe others have pointed that out as well. He would likely be in surgery immediately. to prevent compression of his brain. A small bleed, only visible of CT scan, might just be observed. Blood in the middle ear would go into the posterior naso-pharynx and cause spitting up blood, maybe into his lungs and stomach.

    I posted most of this on Sunday morning, but looks like its news again because of the Pres’ tweet. You can bet he has good intel. An experienced cinematographer type commented that it’s a routine effect to use a blood bag and squeeze it to activate and push the fluid through a small clear tube from the mouth to the ear. This photo, also posted above, shows what appears to be this setup.

    Pic of Gogino on the phone just after the incident.

    Torn

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    • FB2417 says:

      Hadn’t seen the phone a friend photo, but that cinches it. Totally laughable but not if you’re in the enemedia. Did anyone find that Whitehouse German Shepherd yet? 😉

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      • nimrodman says:

        Thx, Tornorosa, appreciate your describing various factors behind the blood issue

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        • nimrodman says:

          To summarize, it appears that that much blood from the ear would indicate catastrophic injuries inconsistent with sitting up and talking on the phone 10 minutes later …

          … would that be about right?

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          • suejeanne1 says:

            I think that sounds about right!

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            • jello333 says:

              I’m trying to not get too deep into “conspiracy theory”, other than he obviously was acting really sketchy and probably WANTED a confrontation. But a couple things that don’t seem to add up: If he did enough damage to cause blood to pour out of his ear…. then how is he calmly talking on a phone a few minutes later????

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              • nimrodman says:

                Yeah, that’s what a couple of us are trying to get at

                Several with obvious anatomy knowledge and experience have said that that amount of blood from the ear would indicate severe intra-cranial damage

                So much so that it’s implausible he’d be sitting up and talking on the phone minutes later

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              • suejeanne1 says:

                “If he did enough damage to cause blood to pour out of his ear…. then how is he calmly talking on a phone a few minutes later????”

                I would say that is an excellent observation!

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          • Tornarosa says:

            All good nimrodman. Thx

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    • Sharon says:

      There is no way he’d be able to sit up and talk on a phone if he had hit his head hard enough to cause that much bleeding. In fact, I would have thought he might have needed a neck brace if it were that bad. This is so odd!

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      • nimrodman says:

        ah, Sharon, I said the same above, I don’t think I refreshed recently enough to see your comment

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      • BruceC says:

        Here in Australia, anyone who has had a serious head injury like the one old mate supposedly has, would have been transported on of these. Even our rugby league players who suffer a heavy head knock get taken off the field on one.

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    • bcgone says:

      If there was a blood bag and tubes and other paraphernalia he had on him to effect a ruse- would the PD not have collected it all and made a presentation of the scam to the public?
      Why would they let it ride? The picture of him sitting up talking is troubling considering the optics of the fall.

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  23. dayallaxeded says:

    Sorry, but good popo played right into this a-holes and his handlers hands. SOP should’ve been to arrest, ziptie, and leave a-holes like this safely sitting or prone for pick up and transport. Bc they didn’t recognize what he was doing and were locked in “move along” mode, they created bad optics and probably lost the opportunity to seize his cell. Tuesday night QB, I know and I definitely don’t think the cops should be fired, charged, or even reprimanded, but rubbing a couple of brain cells together sure would’ve led to better results.

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    • nimrodman says:

      yeah, woulda been nice

      but we can’t expect that kind of fine judgement in riot police all jacked up for riot control

      on a related topic, people think they can multi-task but they really can’t if any concentration is required

      example – I drive in traffic with music on my dash CD player

      if traffic starts to get sketchy – some guy is cutting in ahead – congestion ahead – I find that my concentration gives me a windowed-down world

      when the traffic lets up again, I realize that I haven’t heard the entire previous verse of the music … didn’t hear it at all … none of the words, didn’t hear the music

      the concentration required for the traffic windowed the music off, as far as my brain was perceiving

      I’ve also had another mental experience of that kind of windowing

      a couple times I’ve awakened from a night’s sleep (I sleep quite soundly)

      … and I realize I’m awake but that my hearing and smell haven’t “turned on yet”, they come on a fraction of an instant later … I perceive the first instant of being awake … but no hearing or smell yet

      I’m thinking this may play a role in why people die in fires … their critical senses that would alert them are turned off for deep sleep

      bit of a diversion, but wanted to affirm there’s a limit to fine judgement that we might hope from our law enforcement under stressful conditions

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        Windowing or tunnel vision is def a known, natural human phenomenon (as is Nimrodman–i.e., a phenomenon!). However, it’s also something LEOs and military are specifically trained to get over to maintain situational awareness. Even my CC courses have addressed the issue (and I wish I and family had more training time to really work through it–popo video shoot/don’t shoot drills I’ve seen address to some extent). Really is a critical skill, for which these particular officers were probably as well trained as any officers can be. I think they were ordered to minimize arrests and just move people along. Workable, so long as you don’t meet a 2 left-footed, red breast AntiFool boobie, that wants to take a fall and make a scene. LEOs under duress shouldn’t be the ones forced to make those kinds of nuanced decisions. They should simply arrest every person who obstructs them in any way, then let magistrates and ADAs sort ’em out.

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    • theasdgamer says:

      Cops had orders to clear the streets. Cops behind could have picked up the cell, but they likely didn’t realize its significance.

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  24. T2020 says:

    Perhaps old Gramps-tifa will show symptoms soon.

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  25. seescaper says:

    I would say a milder version of suicide by cop. It’s kinda like what they do in the NBA and NHL. Take a “dive” to draw a penalty. Make it look real good with the acting. I think the guy did too good a job and actually wound up tripping and hitting his head.

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    • MustangBlues says:

      The guy looked like lebrown taking one of his fake flops on fake fouls. And he is not good at doing flops, just that as asst commissioner of nba officials, he has certain regal rights.

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  26. Big Jake says:

    He’s lucky they didn’t take his movements as going for a weapon. When I first saw the video I had to back I up to see WTH he was doing. Seemed odd from the jump to me.

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    • zorrorides says:

      Another thing – this agitator moving his hands to the seconds cops belt was physically a much bigger man than either cop before him. He’s still making long motorcycle trips; at 75 he’s still strong, athletic, and competent at balance. If the diggers dig there may be several incidents where this big man threatened aggression against others.

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    • nimrodman says:

      “… seemed odd from the jump to me …”

      watch the split-screen video from twitter, it starts much earlier than most of the clips, to where police first call out and begin their forward march

      the way Gugino strides right up on police over a fair distance and at a rapid clip is sure “odd from the jump”, even earlier than the sketchy phone-waving escapade

      (paste in address bar and remove the leading star *)

      * https://twitter.com/pat_lee/status/1268731712143581185

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  27. bcgone says:

    Sorry- but the one officer pushed him with force. Not both. And how many times have we been told unless the police see someone doing something themselves our words hold no sway.
    We the old guy provoking stuff- probably but they would have required tuenPD to hand cuff him and take him into custody. Not push him so hard he fell.

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  28. William Szabo says:

    I’ve asked before at other sites-no return comment—what is the possibility that the cop Derek Chauvin was an antifa provocateur ??–he knew he was being recorded for those 8 minutes–he knew what incidents have been hyped in the past—maybe his buddy was in on it and neither one of them expected he would die—or maybe the cop is just a brain dead incredibly stupid person—but somebody investigate his politics and associates—-WHO is he ???

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  29. henry says:

    Will he tour the US in his hospital bed and end up with a $20 mil goFundMe ?
    That seems to be the in-thing these days?

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  30. Countrywatch says:

    More information on Gugino:

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  31. Ausonius says:

    ABC News still pushing “Trump tweets unfounded claims from far-right news source about Buffalo protestor.”

    How many “unfounded claims” has ABC News and the rest of their ilk reported as The TRUTH ?

    It is interesting that right now the OANN website only has a Reuters article (?) about President Trump’s comment about the incident. Articles from June 5th and June 6th are still there, but nothing from OANN on their own reporter’s skepticism. (I did a search under “Buffalo”.)

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  32. Andy says:

    Die and go to hell for all I care

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  33. WBQuick says:

    So the guy with the scraggly white hair chatting with Gugino prior to the “incident” in the photo above is Mike Desmond of WBOC in Buffalo. Happens to be the same guy who shot the video. The Politico video attributes the video to him and you can see him standing on the steps in the video shot from across the street. He was clearly in on it. Wasn’t standing in the perfect spot to take the video by accident.

    If this whole thing was faked as it appears it was, there were multiple accomplices involved. Desmond for one – but also whoever bandaged the guy up and likely the person who shot the footage from across the street (who was also in perfect position). Maybe the protester who started screaming to draw attention away from Gugino at just the right moment?

    And who actually attended to Gugino right after his tumble? Some honest cops must’ve saw something suspicious if it was there……

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  34. Bigly says:

    Listen to how the press challenges the White House , it’s the first several questions

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