Senior Economic Advisor Kevin Hassett: “Unemployment Likely 16 to 17%” – “Q2 GDP Negative 20 to 30%”…

Kevin Hassett, senior advisor to President Trump, says we’re going to see unemployment rates similar to what we saw during the Great Depression, but the White House has a plan for an economic comeback.  As Hasset notes: due to various relief programs the overall worker income is still consistent, but outputs from income are non-existent.

In this interview with CNBC Hassett estimates the current unemployment rate at 16 to 17 percent; & the likely result of the second quarter GDP around -20 to -30 percent. Hassett notes the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) has several challenges as they attempt to quantify economic activity during the shut-down.  However, those are stunning numbers.

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76 Responses to Senior Economic Advisor Kevin Hassett: “Unemployment Likely 16 to 17%” – “Q2 GDP Negative 20 to 30%”…

  1. Dennis says:

    The White House has a plan for an economic comeback? How do you come back from 30 million unemployed and a loss of 40% GDP when people are afraid to come within 6ft of each other because of ‘the plague’?

    Liked by 8 people

    • Publius2016 says:

      not true…6 feet is a guide…Spring Breakers were within inches…American People are learning more and more daily about the plague…

      Liked by 9 people

    • TradeBait says:

      Speak for yourself only. Most of us know this thing is gone in May because just like the flu, the virus dies out.

      Liked by 10 people

      • TMonroe says:

        Which is why some testers might identify the presence of antibodies, code that as “cases”, and then use that to justify lockdown, no?

        Liked by 1 person

        • GB Bari says:

          I honestly don’t think so. People with whom I interact are very aware of the dishonesty, politicization, and general over-hyping of the dangers of this particular coronavirus. Trust in the media is extremely low among the people in my social circles. Trust in the President, while it varies among them, runs far higher than trust in the media.

          Although my normal circle of family and friends includes more seniors and middle aged adults, I also have opportunities to speak with young adults – many of whom have been furloughed or laid off in the past 4 weeks.

          It is mainly the young adults (from 20’s to 40’s) who seem to be most concerned and are absorbing the hype and worry. Older adults are generally more likely to know BS when they see or hear it, and they say they are seeing and hearing a lot of BS from the media and the media’s pet medical people (like Fauci, Birx and others).

          NO one that I know agrees with the stay at home orders now, so they are unlikely to agree with any such orders in the future.

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        • guest4ever says:

          Yeah, so many bast—s are coding EVERYTHING as the Wuhan virus, even auto accidents, I’ve heard!!!

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    • bluecat57 says:

      Are you an American? Have you learned anything about American history? The GOVERNMENT’s ONLY plan needs to be “Get the f%#& out of the way and let The American Spirit do it’s thing.” Trust me, we will ALL be saying, “Merry Christmas” and mean it.

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    • chemman says:

      So you’re saying that people will soon begin to starve to death because they are too afraid to go shopping because they have to get w/i 6ft of each other. I’m not seeing that.

      Liked by 4 people

    • GenEarly says:

      Obama’s Magic Wand!!!
      Trump did it once and We will do it again! MAGA 2020

      Liked by 4 people

      • JohnCasper says:

        But even Obama didn’t get the economy into nearly as bad a shape as Fauci and Brix have managed to.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Wengair says:

          The greater the failure; the greater opportunity for GLORY.

          Let’s do this thing!!!

          Liked by 2 people

        • BigDeeTX says:

          The economy is not broken, it’s stifled. Big difference. There is an economic backdraft, and as soon as the economy’s doors open, it’ll explode.

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          • Swanzinator says:

            Problem is businesses are closing permanently the longer these shutdowns continue. Some of my favorite restaurants around my neighborhood here in IL have called it quits for good as of last week. I know other small business owners around here are just about to throw in the towel too. There’s gonna be a big domino effect from all these closures, one the economy can’t bounce back from quickly.

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            • vikingmom says:

              Exactly and Donald Trump knows that, which is why I do NOT understand why he is allowing this farce to continue for even one more day!

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              • James Carpenter aka "Felix" says:

                I believe Donald Trump understands the pain, the trade-offs. What he would like to do and what is politically possible have yet to match up in his administration.
                By throwing some of the responsibility (and onerous) of returning to “normalcy” on the States, he accomplishes two things:
                1) a nod to the original idea that States had a sovereignty (and accountability) within the Federal framework.
                and
                2) if it goes right (which it will), the Blue State party-poopers will provide yet another “in-your-face” example of _why_ Donald J Trump was elected in the first place.

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            • Mojo says:

              Restaurants come and go as fast as bars come and go. Rest assured, someone will fill the vacancy like they always do. I wouldnt cite them as the bellwether if the economy. My lifelong friend’s restaurant in Atlanta has responded with vigorous innovation to keep some cash rolling. Looks like he’ll make it. Its business, and you’ve got to be good in good times as well as bad.

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            • Mojo says:

              Restaurants come and go as fast as bars come and go. Rest assured, someone will fill the vacancy like they always do. I wouldnt cite them as the bellwether if the economy. My lifelong friend’s restaurant in Atlanta has responded with vigorous innovation to keep some cash rolling. Looks like he’ll make it. Its business, and you’ve got to be good in good times as well as bad.

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            • peace says:

              @Swanzinator – not sure where you are in Illinois but the Grumpy Goat in Northern Il called it quits citing the May extension as the reason. With today’s ruling again prickster, perhaps this restaurant will reconsider, but much damage has already been done. The cure is worse than the TX. Illinois , outside of the city and a few collar burbs, needs to reopen for business.

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          • David says:

            No, I don’t think so. Where I am at, I know of three restaurants permanently closed now. One had been open for over 40 years (second owner for 15 years) and he couldn’t hack it after being closed for over a month. The kitchen equipment was removed since he was done and did not think he could sell it and it was busy, too. You have to have a business that reopens to get your job back.

            I don’t think you fully understand the deep economic dislocation that has occurred the past two months. Also, there are alot of people that are employed by the gig economy (broad definition) and they are on the sidelines – these people are really really hurting. Some of these folks travel from site to site and they pay fees. They have to pay in advance and many used their cash for this, the events canceled and refunds are not going to come quickly.

            An economist at the local university, estimates that locally 30 to 40% of small businesses will not reopen and up to half of all restaurants will not reopen and this is a part of the country that should be immune to some of the extreme effects of the shut down.

            But reading comments on other threads here, I get the impression most people don’t care and blame any woes on the business owners themselves – it’s all their fault and if they can’t plan any better, then good riddance to them. That shows gross ignorance as to how small businesses are run. Many have made comments small businesses should have a 6 month emergency fund stashed somewhere. You would think one was reading the Babylon Bee.

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        • Rileytrips says:

          John, CHINA is the real culprit – not those two elitist Dr.’s. If we are going to blame our current nonexistent economy on anyone, we should all unite on China’s role in this global pandemic!
          They let this loose upon the world, lied about it to the world, wouldn’t let any other researchers/doctors from other countries in to help or see the scope of this, threatened us and others with withholding antibiotics and PPE, etc….
          China is to blame.

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    • JohnCasper says:

      You probably don’t think it’s as easy to get toothpaste back in the tube as it was to get it out either.

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    • iswhatitis says:

      Dennis says: “The White House has a plan for an economic comeback? How do you come back from 30 million unemployed and a loss of 40% GDP when people are afraid to come within 6ft of each other because of ‘the plague’?

      However they plan it – it will be far better than anything the Democrats could do – without the resultant loss of freedoms that the Democrats would impose.

      This thing is happening whether we like it or not, so that’s all I need to know.

      I am voting for President Trump 2020 even if I have to write-in his name.

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    • James Carpenter aka "Felix" says:

      Dennis, you might not believe how quickly the “comeback” will form up.
      Basically, America followed their “betters” in playing it safe. We were led to believe a Stephen King, “The Stand” event was at hand but salvation might, I stress _might_, be possible if we followed strict guidelines. So we did. And the results will be debated for a long, long time.
      In the meanwhile, the power of American life has been stacking up behind a dam of patience and trust. And that forbearance, when released, will sweep a good many bug-a-boos away. But victims will still have their memory and motivation intact.
      Stay thirst (and hungry) my friend. The tornado of Fauci’s COVID has past overhead and now…

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    • kcockroft says:

      All the while Kushner is selling green cards to Chinese at almost a million each and he and Ivanka sit on his economic council, not the more experience economists. What is he thinking if at all. Please refer to Headlines with a Voice on this topic

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  2. Publius2016 says:

    its the only reason these DIMMS insist on RESISTANCE!

    Opening the economy ensures 4 more years of 45 so Dimms will try to KEEP EVERYTHING CLOSED!

    Dimms can keep major cities closed due to nursing homes prisons hospice and homeless but the surrounding counties can’t be shut down no matter their TDS!

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  3. bluecat57 says:

    I have never seen an accurate economic forecast. In fact, they constantly revise them I was recently research numbers for 2008 and they are STILL revising those! Don’t believe this forecast for a second. We aren’t even through the FIRST month if the quarter nor have the first revisions for Q1 2020. Be optimistic. Hmm. You do know one of the best selling books during Trump’s youth was Think and Grow Rich. Looks like it might have worked in Trump’s case. BTW Melania turned 50 Sunday and she is worth a Billion.

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    • David says:

      Hey Blue, when the only stores that are open are grocery stores, Walmart, Costcos and Home Depot, to think that the quarterly GDP won’t be the worst in 100+ years is not living in the same country as me. Consumers make up two thirds of the economy and when consumers aren’t spending, the economy tanks. Retail was struggling anyway and now entire malls are closed. Just look at Georgia, not every place is reopening at once. It will take time and a willingness for consumers to venture out and many are not willing to do that at the moment. The worst quarter during the depression was a negative GDP of 12.4. That record will easily be broken – easily.

      When people are unemployed, not only do the unemployed not spend, but immediate family members and others that know them since it becomes a personal thing and people in general then lose confidence in the economy, etc etc.

      Not everyone will have a job to go back to.

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  4. junglee69 says:

    Don’t worry, more bailout packages for the States and everything will be good, Sarc,,

    What about bailout packages for all the hardworking tax payers, who is going to bailout their 401K and retirement loosing 30%?

    Insanity..

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    • rrick says:

      Up to this point, the taxpayers themselves have bailed out the unfunded pensions. There is little evidence* that that would change. However, states which suffer Billions of dollars of unfunded pensions, (CA, IL, NY, MI as example) are who are on the forefront of those asking for federal relief.

      *The only evidence I have seen, if it could be construed as evidence, is, in the case of CA, the taxpayers have had enough of ever rising taxes which also feature new, innovative ways to increase the taxation. As example, the March 2020 primary vote in CA showed that all bond measures were defeated. That may be the first time I had seen that. I only say ‘may’ because I might have forgotten election results for a particular year. Anyway, it is quite telling that a state stuffed with hard left voters and voter fraud and millions of dollars spent towards passing the bonds, the state was unable to achieve victory, even for bond measures which were so inaccurately titled purposefully to confuse the voter.

      That the voters are not likely to vote aye on passage of new bonds may mean that the state will have to find some other patsy for their schemes. Of course, reducing expenditures has always been on the table yet it is the last thing blue state legislatures would consider. Hence their demands for fed bailout.

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  5. Tiffthis says:

    So are we about to get our first negative quarter of gdp? Is it 2 consecutive quarters of beg gdp to = recession? I’m still learning the economics jargon. 😬😇

    Liked by 1 person

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Yes….the formal definition of recession is 2 consecutive quarters of neg GDP.

      Liked by 1 person

    • David says:

      Technically, yes. But there is a governmental board somewhere that has the official task of determining when a recession begins and ends and the government has already declared a recession has begun. Personally, I think it will be a depression before it is over, but that’s just me.

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  6. This worries me A LOT more than the Wuhan Virus.

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  7. L4grasshopper says:

    Since the calculation of GDP is dependent on consumer spending…which most economists estimate to be about 65% of GDP….and since consumer spending went off the cliff about 7 or 8 weeks ago….it is entirely unsurprising that GDP would be negative to the tune of 20% or more for the quarter.

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    • Rileytrips says:

      I don’t believe consumer spending went “off the cliff” at all!
      Everyone I know and saw in action at the grocery stores and pharmacies and Lowe’s/Home Depot and Target/Walmart have been buying out the stores every time they go in!
      UPS trucks and the Amazon USPS Sat/Sun runs have been steady delivering in most neighborhoods – proof that everyone is buying things online.
      Waitr, Doordash, Ubereats, Grubhub…are constantly making restaurant deliveries.

      People are buying more grocery, retail and food items than ever before! How is it rational to say consumer spending is down?

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      • David says:

        You really think Grubhub sales and Walmart sales (amongst others you have mentioned) will make up the difference for the entire retail market in America? Really? Wow. I printed your comment and taped it to my desk. It is a lesson on the failure of education in this country.

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  8. JohnCasper says:

    “Q2 GDP Negative 20 to 30%”…”

    This is how the whole scheme of things works. Good things (Trump MAGA Boom Times) are very difficult easy to achieve, while bad things (Fauci/Brix Depression … … and Despotism) are very easy to get.
    – Confucius

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  9. bertdilbert says:

    I picked Home Depot as the stock to best recover from this and it has made a very nice V recovery so far. With the interest rate cut and good dividend, It should pass the post covid high.

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  10. rustybritches says:

    What worries me more than this stupid virus is that report today that President Trump is losing Independent people and they are no longer saying anything about those of us who support him except that we should all die and that anyone who supports him is nuts But I don’t think that I am nuts I am a proud American and will remain a supporter no matter what I think that the President should do a rally and to hell with the rest of the country The blue states can stay shut down and the rest of us need to get back to living life and moving on..
    I would like to say Thanks to the lady who opened her beauty shop and tore up the Cease and desist order Good for her Shows that some Americans are finally saying they are no longer going let the Governors tell them what they can and cant do.. Thank god for America and Thank god for
    President Trump
    Are there any Republicans out there at all supporting the President? I don’t see many if any
    When you look at Britebart and town hall You don’t need to read any of the articles just the head line is enough to make you sick There is about 10 negative articles against the President to about one or two that has decent things to say so what do we do about that..? nothing

    This Virus is not his fault he has tried to do all he could to make things better for the states and that is all of them and with out him and his team people like Cuomo would be up to their necks in sick and dead people because they were not prepared for anything and Cuomo can sit on TV all day and tell people how great he is but he is just another lost soul that would be a terrible leader and he an his dumb major is not smart enough to figure out their own budgets let alone do anything to help the people of NYC

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    • Cathead says:

      Don’t despair rusty britches. We are in NC and the support for our president is evident in the yard signs. I speak with many neighbors and our support has not waivered. We see the democrats for the enemy they are and we will continue to support our great Trump!

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    • peace says:

      Wrong. The independents know that their ONLY hope is DJT. Biden is a For Sure loser.

      Liked by 1 person

  11. kelley says:

    If Trump doesn’t ditch this ridiculous slow plan to get back to normal we are all going to suffer far more than if we all got the damn virus… look at these governors republican and democrat acting like kings backtracking on opening up, demanding wearing masks.. Trump needs to get back in the drivers seat.. point out the FACTS! stop the fear! lets open up and get back to life!

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  12. Cheiftain says:

    If you have 83-84% employment how is the GDP loss at 40%? Especially when most of the unemployed seem to be in lower pay service industries like restaurants, hair salons, bars, tattoo parlors, barber shops, etc. Also the closed retail stores and restaurants are to a certain extend balanced out by increased sales at stores that remain open e.g. hardware, food selling department stores like Target and Walmart, auto repair, gas stations, drug stores, supermarkets, etc. There will be a hit with doctors, dentists and optometrists, hobby stores, and from goofy states that have gone overboard. Less gas is being used, bowling alleys empty, etc., but will it really be a 40% GDP hit? I don’t think so. Why shouldn’t it be more like 20-25%? People are still eating, perhaps more. People are filling prescriptions, buying online, renting movies, repairing homes, construction is still going on, power lines are maintained, utilities provided and maintained, lawns mowed gardens planted (except in Michigan).
    What’s open outside the New York media bubble is far more than the Democrat propaganda machine knows. Temporary ag jobs are still available., the McDonalds, Taco Johns, Culvers, and pizza joints are still going, and on and on.
    Maybe I just live in a state where most people are “essential”?

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    • Mac says:

      Let me enlighten you about how a consumer economy works.

      The percentage of the US economy which is producing essential goods and services is only about 30%. This is limited, essentially, to food, housing, and some medical services. Everything else is a non-essential good or service provider. Now, people will spend their money/income on essential needs, first. Then they purchase non-essential goods and services with disposable income. In the present circumstances, many, many consumers due not have any disposable income, let alone sufficient disposable income to support a large segment of the population. Added to that is the fact that the entire global economy was also shutdown and is now in the same straights as the US economy. So, who do we sell the products that we make to and how much of a market currently exists for these products and services? If there is a lack of customers for these products and services, this means that some, if not many, businesses will either open in limited circumstances with limited staffing or they will not reopen at all. This reduces the consumer base.

      Now, we have to look at upstream effects of this. Businesses rely upon suppliers for their business to operate. This includes rent, taxes, utilities, loans, suppliers, transport, etc.All of these liabilities have to be paid. And most businesses have a large cash surplus with which to do this. Now, the upstream businesses feel the economic pinch as well. Suppliers and manufacturers have bills to pay, just like other businesses. They rely upon sales to pay their bills. These sales rely upon a certain level of consumer purchasing and so on. A cycle which the shutdown has not just disrupted by broken, for the foreseeable future.

      Now, one more thing to consider; the rising cost of essentials, such as food. Suppliers rely upon demand to drive their pricing. They too have fixed liabilities which they have to satisfy. For this reason, they have to realize a certain level of income. When demand is down, as it is now, the prices of products increase to reach that level of income. As this point is no longer spread across a larger consumer base, due to the closing of non-essential industries such as restaurants, hotels and entertainment venues, the prices rise at all points of sale. As the price of essentials rises, this reduces the amount of discretionary funds available to support non-essential industries.

      So, do not expect the economy to come back fir months, or possibly, years.

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  13. JohnCasper says:

    ” look at these governors republican and democrat acting like kings backtracking on opening up, demanding wearing masks.. “

    Hitler and Stalin sure seem to have had a lot of reincarnations.

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  14. Sue says:

    Mr. Hassett is one of my favorite Trump staffers. I was disappointed when he left the administration a few months ago. I am glad he is back. He always has a smile on his face, even when delivering sad news. Welcome back, Mr. Hassett.

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  15. Mike in a Truck says:

    This does not concern me. The American people are tougher than this stupid Chicom Flu.Already these commie lockdowns are being ignored, the weathers turning nice and folks are finished playing the Commie Flu Boogeyman Game.What concerns me is pork farmers,poultry, and milk producers are dumping product or cant get the animals to processing because processors are shut down. President Trump needs to address this now. If it takes the military to process the pork and poultry so be it. To bad you didnt sign up for this Troop- get to cutting up that hog! Nothing will set off civil unrest like not being able to obtain those 3 products. Grilling/barbecue season is here!

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  16. James P. Ryan says:

    We have all been had by Dr. Fao Chi. The president needs to ditch the show ponies and hitch the wagon to the draft horses, because the hardest work is still ahead of us.

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  17. Martin says:

    I’m thinking we likely saw unemployment rates like that during the Eight Year Nightmare, but they lied…

    The propaganda has done its damage. The “inject Lysol” thing was both sarcasm, and an IQ test. Tens of millions failed it.

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  18. MicD says:

    Given this Chinese Biological Attack I really like Kevin Hassett being back !

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    • MicD says:

      Raise your Hand and be Counted –

      How many of you posting here on Sundance’s blog
      are Chinese Communists with American Citizenship?

      No response, really not even one CCP with American Citizenship?

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  19. bulwarker says:

    “…due to various relief programs the overall worker income is still consistent, but outputs from income are non-existent.”

    Hyper inflation here we come.

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  20. Bay G says:

    When they say “unemployment rates similar to what we saw during the Great Depression” it’s not the same! Back then unemployed meant no money coming in. The way feds are paying 600 bonus unemployment per week, half the unemployed are making more money while at home. Likely with dramatically lower expenses. Someone who was getting 480 per week paycheck is now getting over 800 on unemployment. This is worse for the economy than no money coming in. Lowers incentive to push back and jump back in recovery.

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  21. trapper says:

    Not even going to read the nonsense comments. All of this is bullshit.

    We don’t have 17% unemployment. We have X million unemployment CLAIMS. Almost all are not unemployed, but furloughed. They are no more unemployed than you are between Friday night and Monday morning, but you can’t file an unemployment claim for the weekend.

    Same with GDP. We won’t have negative 30% GDP. GDP is a year over year number, and you can’t calculate it the normal way for 2020. It is meaningless and mindless to even try.

    I’ll give an analogy first. The 2019 baseball season had 162 games. A team needed around 100 games to get to the playoffs. Suppose the 2020 season is fixed at 50 games. If a team wins 45 games in a shortened 50-game season, would anyone in his right mind claim “that team SUCKS. They only won 45 games”? Of course not. It would be a stupid comparison. 2020 would not be comparable to any other year. It would be an asterisk baseball year.

    Similarly, economically 2020 is not a 12-month year. 2020 is a shortened year economically because of the mandated shutdowns. Neither Q1 nor Q2 is a 3-month quarter. Even Q3 must be shortened for a ramp up of production after reopening. And because 2020 is not a 12-month year, you can’t calculate year over year GDP the normal way for 2020. It’s an oddball year, and will forever be an asterisk year.

    The reduction in time for 2020 should even vary state-by-state and county-by-county, adjusting each state’s economic output for those businesses that were shut, the amount of time they were shut, and applying a ramp-up period after each business reopens as the gradual reopening occurs. Calculating everything using a year with less than 12 months, Illinois may have a 9-month 2020, where Florida may have a 10-month 2020.

    Saying we may have a negative 30% GDP for 2020 is just like saying a team winning 45 games in a shortened 50-game season sucks because it only won 45 games, not the normal 100.

    This is the only way to generate meaningful economic numbers. It’s not rocket science. But so far I have heard no one approach it this way. If they have, I have missed it.

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  22. Magabear says:

    The real danger here is that even big companies like the one I work for who are still operating are seeing their backlog of sales and projects shrinking. If this lockdown continues, those pillars that hold up much of the economy will collapse. We’re already seeing the big shale producers shutting down which has a big downward effect on everyone who supplies them with equipment.

    Announce that this madness ends on April 30 and make it very clear to the lockdown Potentates that they will be in violation of the commerce clause and 5th amendment if they continue to try and keep busineeses closed.

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  23. namberak says:

    At the risk of sounding like Polyanna, if you’d asked me to name those numbers, I’d have pulled ones about double those so, in a weird way, I find it a bit comforting.

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  24. Self inflicted. President Trump should NEVER have closed down and even more so never give the podium to Deep State swamps Brix and Fauci.

    BUT, President Trump will be the person to get the economy restored faster than anyone else.

    And it will be much faster if we not only reelect him, but ensure that we get Republican House and keep the Senate.

    If the Democrats win anything, the recovery will take much longer.

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  25. fragemall says:

    Seems a true PDJT supporter would keep the self inflicted error thoughts and theories to themselves. Why sow seeds of doubt when all the second guessing in the world will not change a thing. MAGA!

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  26. ezgoer says:

    The Democrat controlled blue states are going to stay locked down until the November election. No large gatherings allowed in PA, MI, WI. That means no Trump rallies. 60% of U.S. GDP is dependent on the large blue states. Trump can’t re-open them. No president has ever been re-elected with a bad economy. It looks grim for our hero folks. Real grim. Father why have you forsaken me?

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    • Magabear says:

      Oh, PDJT can open up quite a bit of each of those states. Take this out of the Governors hands by placing the reopening decisions with county officials. And then take court action on commerce clause violations.

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