March 28th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1164

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1,169 Responses to March 28th – 2020 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #1164

  1. TJ says:

    This is not the time to be questioning anything the fake news tell us!

    As Trump’s Poll Numbers Rise, Media Begin Censoring Press Conferences

    No independent thought!

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  2. sync says:

    The UK Coronavirus Regulations 2020:

    “Reg 6(2)(m) – to avoid injury, e.g. if your house is on fire you don’t have to stay inside it. 20/24”

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1243471335700992000.html

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  3. TJ says:

    NYC Health Commissioner: Corona threat LOW, NY preparedness HIGH

    ICYMI

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  4. OhNoYouDont says:

    Q Thank you. Both the World Health Organization, as recently as today, and your own health officials have said that any treatments that we use for coronavirus should be scientifically demonstrated to be effective. But at the same time, you’ve said that chloroquine, as an example, could be used as a cure very soon. So is the WHO and your health officials wrong on this point? Are they —

    THE PRESIDENT: So, hydroxychloroquine, which is supposed to be the better of the two, seems to have some good backing. We’re going to see.

    Look, Governor Cuomo — we’ve given him 10,000 units; that’s a lot — and they’re testing it. It’s a malaria drug. It’s also a drug for arthritis. But — and it’s phenomenal for those two things, as you probably know, especially for malaria. But we’re going to find out soon. I hope it works. It’s — there are signs that it could be doing well. They are testing 10,000 units. That’s a lot.

    And I tell you what: I want to thank the FDA because they approved it immediately, based on the fact that it was already out for a different purpose. They approved it immediately.

    So, look, hydroxychloroquine is — is a very powerful drug for certain things, and it’s a very successful drug. There’s reason to believe that it could be successful here. Now, the reason I disagree with you — and I think Tony would disagree with me — but the reason I disagree with you is that we have a pandemic. We have people dying now. If we’re going to go into labs and test all of this for a long time, we can test it on people right now who are in serious trouble, who are dying. If it works, we’ve done a great thing. If it doesn’t work, you know, we tried.

    But this is not something that’s going to kill people. So, we can go in and we can test, or we can take our time. When I was with the FDA, you know, they indicated that, “Well, we’ll start working on it right away, and it could take a year.” I said, “What do you mean a year? We have to have it tonight.” If we don’t have it tonight — I want to test it immediately because it’s on the market in a different form. So, we know that. So, from a safety standpoint, at least, we know that.

    But you’re talking about giving it to people who, in many cases, are dying. So we want to do with the way — this is sort of like Right to Try. We got Right to Try approved. For —

    Q Could I ask you —

    THE PRESIDENT: John, for 44 years or more, they couldn’t get it approved. We have the best labs, the best doctors. They couldn’t get it. I got it approved. Now, if somebody is terminally ill, and if we think we have something that’s going to work, we can actually use it; they can use it.

    And I’ll tell you what: You ought to do — when this is over, you got to do a story on that because we have had some tremendous results.
    —–
    March 28, 2020

    Subject: Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Briefing

    poolreports – 2 hours ago

    https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-remarks-by-president-trump-vice-president-pen-1842538474

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    • Pale rider says:

      You ever see the line up on ‘world health Organization’? Non health organization!

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    • InAz says:

      The FDA plays god. They also are very political. What the FDA does and does not approve has no rhyme or reason to those conducting the studies.

      The neurologist who treats my husband’s rare autoimmune degenerative muscle disease did a trial medication study for FDA approval. The trial was three years, using a medication that has been on the market for decades. The doctor told us they made sure every “I” was dotted and “T” crossed. The study was meticulous, and had very good results. The FDA would not approve the medicine for the disease…..gave a stupid reason. The doctor said the FDA treats drug all trials/studies as if the trials were using heroin or LSD. The FDA makes everything more complicated and difficult than what it should be.

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  5. Co says:

    From a MD friend of mine..It can get technical but I thought maybe the share would be appreciated:

    Great info on Covid-19 patients

    “I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

    Clinical course is predictable.
    2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

    Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.

    Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

    81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

    Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT’s of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

    China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

    Diagnostic
    CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

    Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95%
    CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated.
    Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

    Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

    A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

    An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.

    Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

    Disposition
    I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won’t make it back.

    We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

    Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the “lockdown”, our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

    Treatment
    Supportive

    Worldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

    Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn’t appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil’s potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am no longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

    We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

    Do not give these patient’s standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

    Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps.

    Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14 and you may go up to 25 if needed.

    Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

    The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn’t often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

    Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

    We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

    One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

    I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.”

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    • cjzak says:

      Pretty depressing. Most people on vents will die? Wow.

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      • Co says:

        It is not my intention to depress people but to see what we Healthcare Providers are up against. Someone told me yesterday I need to put things into perspective on this site. This is my perspective. xo

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        • Bill Durham says:

          Can you breakdown the patient profile, age etc. It seems people continue to hide the fact that we are dealing with elderly people with health issues. They throw in a anecdotal story about a 31 nurse, but keep hiding the real facts on victims. Thx

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          • Co says:

            I can not, he/we are to busy

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            • Bill Durham says:

              I see. So you have time to type out that detail but leave out the fact that you are talking about 80 year olds with health issues?

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              • Luna says:

                Bull, thought the same thing. Just enough detail to be sound official to be able to scare people.

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              • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

                Maybe you ought to be more open-minded that this virus is worse than you are hoping. You and others work so hard to make excuses for the scientific information provided to you.

                We’ll see in the end. I have been writing lately that I accept my bet payments in Dove chocolates. Right now they are not being hoarded by anyone but me, it appears. so price is still low. $2.99 at WalMart for the bag of Easter eggs (half eggs, flat on one side), $3.99 just about everywhere else.

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                • TPW says:

                  Walmart price for antibacterial wipes in canister 40…..$14.88 …little pricey

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                • Bill Durham says:

                  Very open minded. Are you aware that the CO post has been circulating on Facebook and may be a hoax? Read comments below. Are you open minded enough to consider that? This is why I asked for facts on profiles and CO gave a lame response and disappeared. I think it’s important that we get these facts. We have an opportunity to develop herd immunity and kill this virus with fewer deaths. If we don’t open things up this thing could mutate. This was the wrong strategy. The cure is worse than the disease.

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              • WhiteBoard says:

                do you remember the vaping outbreak in bethesda, MD? recently – affecting lungs etc.. (dot)

                do you rememeber hearing coronavirus affects lungs (dot)

                dot ……………… dot.

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              • Sherri Young says:

                Yesterday, the Louisiana health department reported that there were 770+ COVID-19 patients hospitalized in their state. 270 of those patients were on ventilators. Today, that site is reporting 927 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, of which 336 are on ventilators.

                http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/

                The WuFlu is not a joke. The more numbers I see, the more younger persons appear to be involved.

                Scroll down on the Michigan COVID-19 page. They are reporting their age distribution daily.

                https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98163-520743–,00.html

                I think part of what has happened is that the elderly have been tested more frequently because they are said to be at higher risk. (Well, of course.) That care center in Washington state helped skew the numbers early on. As testing becomes more wide-spread, we’ll see younger persons in those numbers. There are reports of a couple of teenagers dying.

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            • QCM says:

              Fear monger

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          • lolli says:

            Bill Durham,
            Believe me or not, I know 6 people who range from late 30s to early 40s who are fighting this disease. (4 in MI and 2 in TX). 1 at home on a ventilator, 1 very close healthy friend of my son passed out due to inability to breathe. It happened so fast, he was getting a haircut.
            I wasn’t quite sure until personal friends and acquaintances started to experience the lung disease. Some just get the cold, it seems.
            This is no proof for you, of course, but now I do not believe it is just the elderly since I know of these instances. However, so much more could be creating a low immunity response by younger people. (Stress, fatigue, recent recovery from another virus or flu, alcohol abuse, etc)
            It still doesn’t mean we should allow our country to be ruled by globalists, which IMO, is the end goal. The virus is a real threat, IMO, but the coup going on is a much greater threat to all.

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            • Bill Durham says:

              I don’t care about anecdotal stories on the internet. Why aren’t patient profiles being discussed? Are 99.99% of covid fatalities the same 25,000_65,000 people who die from the flu? This matters.

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              • Yadent says:

                Also for perspective, how does this ER physician’s experience with this infection compare to a bad influenza season such as 2017-2018? This individual graduated in ‘98 and presumably went into an ER medicine residency so they were around in 2009-2010, how does this compare to the H1N1 epidemic? The above description, it is bad and no one is denying that, gives the distinct impression that EVERYONE has an equal chance at a negative outcome. The data shows that is NOT true. Finally, by definition, this is an EMERGENCY room doc. The ER will be seeing the worst cases. The vast majority of those infected will not be seen there.

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              • louche9 says:

                I do take your point. I have friends and family in seven states and in England. Thank God, I don’t know a single person who is ill with Covid 19. Based on my anecdotal experience, everyone should come out, come out, wherever you are.

                We need stats. Stats are available. They are not being provided. Why not?

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              • TPW says:

                That would be the most telling info and they are not providing it. Seems that this virus results in pneumonia for “certain” patients…..but they are not providing a common thread…Flu does not always result in pneumonia….but of those that die from flu how many get pneumonia. Many flu strains are intestinal

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            • Pale rider says:

              100% agree Lolli. It’s bad stuff. Lung damage is obvious if you get it. Very contagious, hours not days.
              The fact Trump keeps labeling it ‘China flu’ means something. It was meant to do exactly what it is doing to our country, with of course the China media and China politicians support in our country.

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              • lolli says:

                Pale rider,
                Yes. Exactly.
                I have almost quit posting lately because when you are praying for friends and family who have it, it is hard to read the assumptions that it is only old and sick who are affected.
                In my opinion, this is bio/Econ terrorism. (Globalists have united, IMO) PT knows. China flu indeed.
                I will follow our CICs lead.

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                • Pale rider says:

                  Yep,
                  negative: we are getting hammered from all directions.
                  Positive: we now see who it is ‘sucker punching’ us.
                  Be positive in communications to all, bring the level above the conversation of this battle and maybe just maybe we can get people to see what is happening.

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                • Lady in Red says:

                  Don’t stop posting. We all have different perspectives and experiences but need to share and learn from one another.

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            • Lady in Red says:

              Very sad, but I do believe that overall the cure will be worse than the virus. I am surprised you personally know of so many with the virus, I am in Manhattan and know zero.

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            • WhiteBoard says:

              any of them have a blood type of negative?

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              • lolli says:

                WhiteBoard,
                I do think that is a good question. I have read A+ are the majority, where usually it is O+,
                So I am interested if this effects certain blood types over others. I think I will try to find out.

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                • WhiteBoard says:

                  just to be a conspiracy thinker… it is known O pos ia universal donor type..

                  so if i was engineerring a bioweapon – i wouldnt want to affect my blood supply (obviously there is some importance to blood drives – could be that it is a means for someone people not immune to stuff)

                  i beleive ive been near this stuff, and i had breathing event for 4 hours and then nothing again – and im O pos

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                • Sherri Young says:

                  Replying to White Board.

                  O negative is the universal donor, not O positive.

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          • dwpender says:

            State and Local authorities, as well as CDC, have this data in real time. It’s all computerized. They could be giving us DAILY refreshed totals on the age and preexisting condition profiles of confirmed cases visiting ERS, those admitted, as well as ICU cases, deaths, etc. (Some preexisting issues such as smoking, vaping, alcohol and drug abuse depend largely on patient reporting, and that data would be less reliable.)

            Instead, we are forced to listen to endless daily briefings where our federal and State experts occasionally drop a nugget about what they’re seeing.

            How about some transparency?

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            • I agree dwpender.

              All we are left with is anecdotal stories which are alright but hey are still only anecdotal.

              I have a few friends and family who are suffering from this virus and every single one of them are over 80 and have other health problems, heart disease and lung disease.

              So I will add my anecdotal story to the mix and we still have not real stats as to what is going on.

              The health departments of every state could tell us but for some reason they will not.

              They will not release the info broken down as to age and death stats or age and death stats with infection relattionships.

              So we are left with anecdotal stories from nurses, doctors and family and friends who might mean well but it skews the real picture.

              I would like to know why.

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          • TPW says:

            The medical terminology went right over my head….probably a good thing …..so this virus affects certain people worse than the flu? And the certain people are in what age group? Do most have underlying conditions? I think my daughter and son in law …we are in coastal Alabama… had a very bad illness seems like it was in January. Bad congestion …runs…fever….coughing up mucus towards end…my daughter…34…said worse she has ever felt……son in law…who got sick right after had vomiting…by was past symptoms in 3rd day….daughter was sick a lot longer. Granddaughter did not get sick. Both had just made an overnight stay in Pensacola visiting with cousin from NY. Does this virus always present respiratory symptoms or do some who test positive have no respiratory problems? Do we have enough positive test results to show how it affects people differently or do they even give test to people who dont have all the symptoms?In order for us to be tested in my county …Baldwin….we have to travel to Mobile county 50 miles. Thank for the front line info and for your sacrifice…GOD Bless.

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        • lolli says:

          Co,
          God bless you and your colleagues.
          Keep the truth coming, whether we like it or not.

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      • Sentient says:

        Most people on vents always die. 30% surviving in Seattle is very high and probably can’t be sustained if (when) hospitals are overwhelmed. The key isn’t more vents (although that may be necessary). It’s to keep people off of vents.

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        • Co says:

          Which means the President is spot on with his plan

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        • decisiontime16 says:

          By the time one is put on a ventilator, they are near death.

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        • bertdilbert says:

          I was put on a ventilator for 3.5 days just over 2 years ago The last thing I remembered was “Take me to urgent care”. Post ICU, one of the respiratory therapist who was there when they put me under said something like “It is nice to see patients that make it after he puts them on a ventilator”,

          I don’t know what stats are but got the impression from what the respiratory therapist said is that a lot of people at that point don’t make it.

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      • Serpentor says:

        Most?
        Almost all.

        But don’t worry, we shut down everything so there’ll be enough vents for everyone who wants one, but let’s make sure we have your insurance information first, gotta look out for number one, you know.

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        • lolli says:

          Serpentor,
          Too bad many lost their insurance, along with their jobs, when cities were shut down.
          I have wondered about that.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          I have not read the CARES Act, but I thought part of the money was so that the federal government could eat the cost of all of the testing and care associated with this virus.

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      • thetrain2016 says:

        That’s the coronavirus. Multiplying by the millions and moving deeper and deeper down in the respiratory system. Weak immune systems can’t stop it. Ventilators work only to the point. When large parts of the lungs destroyed by the virus, it’s over.

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      • MAGADJT says:

        Everything I’ve read and heard says that most on vents recover.

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        • cjzak says:

          I thought so too. Wondering if this is a true account of an ER doc. or not. I questioned the part about the hydorxy chloroquine not being very effective. Seems other reports on that drug are just the opposite.

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        • Alleycats says:

          Per my daughter the nurse practitioner, most people on vents who were otherwise healthy prior to the China Virus pneumonia will recover.
          Those who have poor lung function, heart function or chronic debilitating illness typically will not wean from a respirator, then ultimately die.

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    • the phoenix says:

      Prayers

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    • Sentient says:

      Very informative. Basically the same percentages of outcomes that were reported out of China two months ago, but with greater detail. Some findings seem counter-intuitive: low oxygen without shortness of breath. Pneumonia on X-rays of otherwise asymptomatic patients. Good warning about the “contrast” dye used in angiograms causing renal failure. Please ask your doctor friend to consider Losartan treatment for ARDS.

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    • vikingmom says:

      That was a sobering and informative read, Co! Thank you for sharing it…I do not ever want to minimize the awfulness of this virus for those patients who get more than a mild case!

      The harder questions come when we talk about the economic costs to our country as a whole, as well as the increase in societal “ills” such as domestic violence, child abuse, suicides, etc, all of which are skyrocketing right now.

      Definitely no easy, “one-size-fits-all” answers! We need to keep our President and his advisors in our prayers, as well as the doctors, nurses, and first responders, who are being asked to do impossibly hard jobs right now!

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      • Co says:

        When all the tax payers die it won’t matter.

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      • Despicable Me says:

        Regarding child abuse, the significant other of an acquaintance of mine is a social worker and related that one sad consequence of the stay at home orders has been a rise in child abuse cases.

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        • vikingmom says:

          I have family members in law enforcement and they have said that domestic violence calls, along with suicides, are significantly higher,

          And I wonder how many millions of people will develop heart disease, diabetes, and other conditions related to a sedentary lifestyle if this “shut-down” is prolonged? Or miss a cancer screening that might have caught it at Stage 1 or 2 but now will not be found until it is Stage 3 or 4?

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    • Bill Durham says:

      ESPN reporter Ed aschoff died of multi focal pneumonia last year. He tweeted about it on December 5. He said he got a virus 2 weeks earlier in November. 34, healthy, no immune system issues. Did he have covid 19? It was later revealed that he had HLH, which is an autoimmune disorder.

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    • ladyliberty11 says:

      Thank you! Sent this to our daughter who is is in her second year of residency in a major hospital.

      Praying for them all – doctors, nurses, paramedics, first responders – they are the front line warriors in this battle, risking their lives for us each and every day.

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    • disgustedwithjulison says:

      Co, not to doubt the above….however this same email has been spammed through the social media doctor circles on Facebook. When I have inquired why we don’t have the name of the doctor and the hospital he is practicing at I get crickets. Since this guy is your friend…please identify the Doctor and the hospital. Again, not to doubt….but someone said a long time ago – trust, but verify. This anonymous doctor message was sent out within days of Trump’s asking for fast tracking of hydroxychloroquine and buried within it is a rejection of the drug chloroquine. I am skeptical. Suspicious cat skeptical. I am not skeptical of how this virus proceeds and how nasty it is as he has laid out in the message.

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      • dwpender says:

        Thanks for pointing this out. Showing my gullibility, I had assumed the information was 100% accurate (although limited to one Dr.’s experience). I understand it still MAY be accurate, but your post is an important caution to us all,

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      • Same story as the story on previous page of what became of The Declaration of Independence signers, essentially true, details maybe a little muffled.

        I believe this writer probably has had an unhappy experience with the touted drug chloroquine, I read last week that it’s efficacy is far greater the earlier in the disease cycle it is used; it is possible that in the ER he doesn’t see as many of the early caught cases.

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      • George Wallace says:

        I agree the timing and how quickly the story circulated was just too cute.

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      • disgustedwithjulison says:

        I have done some additional research on the poster. Appears it is a doctor who went to Texas A&M. The post was placed on the Texas A&M chat board. Many doctors from around the country began asking him about Paquinel/hydrochloroquine and asking him to contact them to provide additional information. Here is his response (appears to be a kind of walkback regarding opinions on drugs):

        In uncertain times, we search for facts to provide comfort and clarity. Throw in the power of Texags.com and I should not be so dumbfounded by the run this is getting.

        My first expanded lost draft (thanks again MacBook Touch Bar) contained the appropriate hedging, disclaimers, and uncertainty the current understanding of this pandemic deserves. Some of the more concise, unproofread, hastily rewritten original post (OP) presents itself as more definitive instead of “what I think I know”. For this, my apologies. I am not performing clinical trials. I am not involved in cohorting and analyzing data. The academic physicians involved in ER, Infectious Disease and Pulmonary Critical Care are likely (hopefully) way beyond my understanding of Covid 19. Furthermore, I fail to appreciate any additional benefit I could provide to Hospital Administrators who have been preparing and communicating with each other for months; or for some already combating this daily.

        Basically, several state medical licensing boards are temporarily loosening their independent practice regulations on NPs, PAs, and to a lesser extent Medical Students. I wrote the OP as much for me to collect and organize my thoughts, as it was to provide a jumping-off platform for providers who may find themselves in an ER-like setting and unknowingly be treating Covid 19 patients or will be treating them soon enough. If any of it helps some of my colleagues hit the ground running then that is something too.

        The OP was a summary of thoughts from being emersed in Covid 19 for weeks, reading as much as I can, and following up on my own patients. It is not my intention for this to be taken as dogma. I do not have the answers or the algorithm everyone is searching for. I was merely looking to point the handful of people I thought would read it in a clinical direction best I could. What I think I know evolves every day with the presumption it may very well end up markedly different once this pandemic is better understood. I do not know when this crisis will ultimately be arrested, however, I maintain resolute that each one of us can help make that happen. Stay home. Be safe. Find a way not to have to visit grandma.

        Thank you to all the well-wishers and good luck to us all.

        https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102444/6

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    • ann says:

      Co, Thank you for posting. this summary answers most of my questions.

      an odd question: Is serious allergy to sulta medicine inherited?

      Perhaps the context will explain my concern.
      I have a severe reaction to sulta meds, which rules out a surprising list of meds.

      I noted the full chemical description of hydroquine infers a sulta component.
      Is this relevant in treatment, and is this allergy genetic?

      My daughter is a very busy first responder & field investigator for elderly & vulnerable adults. As such, she’s frequently exposed to prodomal or prehospitalised patients,
      They do have a protocol to prevent passing the virus to others,
      Is inheriting the allergy possible?

      And if she becomes sick enough to need medicine, will this rule out the quinine part?

      I’ve noticed doctors take sulta allergy seriously,,.

      Is this even pertinent ?

      If doctor, pharmacist , biochemist or suchlike happens to read this, I’d appreciate having facts instead of unknowns. ,
      Ann
      🦅🇺🇸♥️

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    • Sherri Young says:

      Co, if hydroxychloroquine works by allowing zinc to enter the cells, the lack of efficacy may be due to a relative zinc depletion.

      Please ask your MD friend to get with the pharmacy manager about having some zinc doses prepared in the pharmacy for administration at the bedside. Zinc should arrive in ORAL syringes, in the PharmD’s diluent of choice and with an air space (for better mixing) ready to be administered via NG or NJ. For patients receiving enteral formula feeding, the zinc should be easy to add.

      I am a retired nurse. I’ve seen doctors get very tired. The really good ones appreciate suggestions given in the right spirit, especially when they are exhausted or over-the-top busy. Please pass this on to your MD friend. Give him my heartfelt thanks and tell him I am sorry I am too old and slow to be able to be there working with him.

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      • disgustedwithjulison says:

        Sherri, I think ultimately you are going to find the posting from Co was a semi-hoax. Much of what was reported is real regarding the virus and made to make the overall email look legit. The part of the email debunking Chloroquine within 48 hours of the President mentioning the drug does not pass the smell test. This email message was put together to get doctor’s doubting chloroquine or at least slowing down its adoption. Its an informational war which baffles me…but until the exact Dr. is named and the hospital he practices at…it is a hoax message.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Some people who work in healthcare will identify themselves and some will not. Hospitals and medical schools have designated spokespersons. TPTB can get pretty touchy about having any detailed information released that is not a feel good message unless it serves a purpose such as a PSA or a fundraising effort.

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          • disgustedwithjulison says:

            ….and thus that is why it is a hoax. Again, Dr. has good insight into the virus, but does not even identify the Med School he went to. This was a crafted email to look real, while discrediting chloroquine.

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    • margarite1 says:

      Thanks for the info – as disturbing as it is we know that the quarantine is worth it.

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    • trapper says:

      I’m sorry, but this is just fear porn.

      I could stand your hair on end with a blow-by-blow of my friend’s heart attack, a dozen doctors and techs literally RUNNING in and out of the ER room, stabilizing, testing, prepping for transport up to the cardiac unit. And while they were at it, in wheels a gunshot victim, tech on the gurney pumping his chest. The ER, It AIN’T an afternoon in the coffee shop.

      Calm down.

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    • Medicine man says:

      Excellent..as a clinical Pharm.D this is what we need to see. Reality on the ground. Let’s not spout out unicorns and lolly pops..but reality.

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      • ann says:

        Agree med man. This is a process of facts replaceing unknowns,
        People are uneasy with uncertainty. and of course toxic media caters to extremist fears.
        ,

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      • Sherri Young says:

        Medicine man, I posted above in reply to Co and suggested that patients may not be responding to the hydroxychloroquine because they could use more zinc. What do you think? I would value your ideas. Thank you.

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    • SHV says:

      Thanks fr posting that. I sent it to my wife (MD, ICU) director and she found the patient care information useful. She was notified that her hospital is going to start getting patient transfers from NOLA beginning early next week. Hopefully this is going to fade away but her hospital is making preparations to expand to 100+ ICU beds. People are fixated on ventilators but it’s staffing that is a major limitation.

      I also see references to using hotel rooms, portable tent hospitals, etc. Seem like total bullshit to me. At my wife’s hospital, all of the expanded bed space are “negative pressure” rooms so that the virus is contained and doesn’t spread from infected patient to the likely un-infected patients who are being tested and ruled out or to the general patient and staff population.

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  6. Reserved55 says:

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  8. jeans2nd says:

    This is my last rant on Steve Bannon. Promise.

    Bannon is on my radio right now, reading a tweet from some unknown doctor, telling people the CDC will change their advice and tell everyone to start wearing masks, apparently even while inside.

    Are not medical personnel still scrambling to find N95 masks?
    We should endanger our medical personnel because id10ts are now competing for N95 masks?

    Folks, be very careful from whom you take your information. Vett everything, several times.
    And use a little common sense.
    Common sense goes a long way.

    Incidentally, Mayor Rudy Giuliani is still running his podcast, now focused on CCP Virus. Mayor Rudy has real experts, and advice from when Mayor Rudy ran New York City. Well worth your time.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-9J07yyuXQTx_uZQchtwsg/videos

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    • Yadent says:

      What’s going to be shown with this virus, as is with nearly all infectious diseases, SURFACE CONTAMINATION is the primary mode of transmission. Not the only mode but the primary mode. A mask, any mask that prevents one from direct hand to mouth/nose contact will be more than effective in a potential infectious situation. 6 foot distancing is nice but if one is touching contaminated surfaces then touching their face, distancing is worthless.

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    • Wendy says:

      I think wearing non n95 mask would be helpful to stop spreading any respiratory disease. South Korea’s case was successful in a way due to ppl wear masks pretty much all the time. It may not stop getting infected if someone infected sneeze or cough near you but if that person wears mask it will certainly will lower the risk to other ppl. Since you don’t know weather you have it or not I think it’s safer to do for precautionary measure.

      The problem in the US is we don’t make enough masks for general public consumption.
      I think as more and more business will jump into the mask market, we might have enough supply for ppl. I think the CDC put out the social distance measure as a guideline because there’s wasn’t enough mask supply in the US to go around. If you look at Taiwan they have been pretty successful without social distance measure in place because most ppl wear masks.

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      • umr_engnr says:

        Yes we should be wearing masks. Even DIY masks are pretty good especially against getting others sick and preventing you from touching your face. It also keeps the virus off surfaces. We need to make sure healthcare has the masks, then grocers and customer facing people then the general public. We need a citizen army making masks. Better to be proactive.

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  9. Reserved55 says:

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    • Jim in TN says:

      The days of good honest journalism never existed. Cronkite, Murrow before him, the idiot who told us there was no famine in Stalin’s Ukraine while people were starving all around him, the list is long. And we only know of the worst abusers. Does anyone not regret putting trust in Rather?

      The biggest change now is the lack of restraint. They no longer feel the need to hide their beliefs.

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  10. Great piece from American Thinker today.
    The title says it all: “We’ve Been Had and Trump Knows It”.
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/weve_been_had_and_trump_knows_it.html

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    • BuckNutGuy says:

      Seneca,
      Thank you for posting. I am really over “experts” aren’t you? The same people that told us: peak oil, global famine, global warming, real estate prices to infinity and I am with Her celebrations are all from the same academic/bureaucratic institutions. They now use this “pandemic” to shut down the economy and put us into a police state.

      There is no accountability when they are wrong. They all collect government paychecks with defined benefit pensions. Thus, while you and I struggle to keep businesses open and meet payroll, they have no downside risk to shutting the economy.

      I would like to call on POTUS to furlough non essential Federal employees with NO BACK PAY! Or demand short term salary adjustments down 20-40%. Signal we are “all in this together.”

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      • Pale rider says:

        Yeah why is government exempt? The problem is that very fact, make them accountable and see how these issues die.

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      • Buck Nut Guy- BRAVO for an excellent comment.
        And I am with you 100% on furloughing all those creeps and leeches that work for THE GOVERNMENT on every level including Federal, State and local.
        My “public servants” you know, the ones who tell us how lucky we are to have them working for US because they could get SO much more money in the private sector.

        What a sick joke! Reality is that most of them couldn’t get a job at Walmart they are so incompetent and LAZY.
        All of the local officials, school district employees and bureaucrats are on extended paid vacation courtesy of the Taxpayers.
        Meanwhile, small business owners like me are killing ourselves trying to navigate through the maze of paperwork for the SBA emergency loans.
        I can’t get in touch with anyone from the Gov who will answer their phone or respond to email. The SBA and other websites keep crashing Maybe they could get some help from whoever the Techies are that keep Amazon up and running.
        Like you said, no accountability.
        For those who work for The Government, there is no reward for success nor penalty for failure.

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  11. frankmystery says:

    Door to door national guard inn Dallas and Rhode island?! What in hell is going on?

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  12. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  13. Reserved55 says:

    Remember the early reporting of crematoriums running 24 hours a day?

    Click the link.

    “According to official Chinese government data, 50,006 people were infected with the Covid-19 virus in Wuhan with 2,535 dying from the disease.

    However, Chinese investigative outlet Caixin reports that when mortuaries opened back up this week in the Hubei capital, people had to wait in line for as long as five hours to receive the remains of their loved ones lost during the epidemic.”

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  14. DesertRain says:

    “The coronavirus pandemic is a medical story, not a political story. Yet, there are no medical journalists in the White House Briefing Room. To a medical journalist, “anecdotal” evidence is what doctors in the field are reporting. To a political journalist, “anecdotal” evidence is unsubstantiated hearsay.

    Fauci knew—or should have known—that political journalists would report his characterization of clinical reports on the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ) not as something “you hear out there” but as the president overhyping (or “lying” about) the benefits of the treatment.”

    EXCELLENT

    https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/26/faucis-folly/

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  15. Troublemaker10 says:

    Coronavirus cure: French researchers completed new additional study on 80 patients, results show a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin to be effective in treating COVID-19

    https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-cure-new-results-french-study-shows-combination-hydroxychloroquine-plaquenil-azithromycin-successfully-treated-80-coronavirus-patients-significant-dr/

    Excerpt:

    In 80 in-patients receiving a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, the team found a clinical improvement in all but one 86 year-old patient who died, and one 74-year old patient still in intensive care unit. The team also found that, by administering hydroxychloroquine combined with azithromycin, they were able to observe an improvement in all cases, except in one patient who arrived with an advanced form, who was over the age of 86, and in whom the evolution was irreversible, according to a new paper published today in IHU Méditerranée Infection.

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    • Bubby says:

      There is a Belgium “clinical trial” that demonstrates the same findings. Why are we waiting unless the deep states want us senior citizens thinned out without being obvious about it like using their preferred approach of a firing squad?

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  16. SHV says:

    FWIW…Off label use of an arthritis med….paper from China:
    “In this study, we retrospectively observed tocilizumab, an IL-6 blocker, in treatment of 21 patients with
    severe and critical COVID-19. Clinical data showed that the symptoms, hypoxygenmia, and CT
    opacity changes were improved immediately after the treatment with tocilizumab in most of the
    patients, suggesting that tocilizumab could be an efficient therapeutic for the treatment of COVID-19.”
    ***
    March 26….
    “The FDA has approved a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled phase III clinical trial to evaluate the safety and efficacy of intravenous (IV) tocilizumab (Actemra) plus standard of care in hospitalized adult patients with severe coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pneumonia, according to Genentech, the agent’s developer.”
    ***
    Yesterday my wife (MD, Surgeon/Critical care) told me that a COVID 19 patient at her hospital was on ventilator and rapidly deteriorating was given one dose of Actemra and had dramatic improvement; the day before a similar patient at at nearby hospital had similar, dramatic improvement after one dose.

    A few more such examples and there is no way that randomized, double blind study could be ethically done.

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  17. rondo123456 says:

    Pandemic Math!

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  18. TJ says:

    British virus advisor that reduced number of infected from Imperial college model, says UK has sufficient capacity in intensive care units to treat Covid19 patients

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    • Jim in TN says:

      Isn’t funny that his apocalyptic prediction came just in time to make British politicians change how they were going to deal with this flu. And now that the deed is done, he is free to correct ‘End of the World’ to ‘Just a Bad Flu’.

      Idiot should be cashiered and thrown out of science all together. There was already lots of evidence in real world data that demonstrated his models were phony.

      I bet you that he will be rewarded instead. Especially since I have not seen people discussing the political use of this fraud. Instead, I see people blaming his lies for media scaremongering. The media did make good use of his scare tactic, but they have been scaremongering long before and they will keep scaremongering long after.

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  19. Reserved55 says:

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    • Serpentor says:

      Poorly worded headline, imo.
      Homeschooled kids outperform their at school counterparts by massive margins. It’s not even close.
      However – the generation of lost students aren’t the ones being homeschooled; they’re the ones not being schooled at all.
      And that, is where the news becomes fake.

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  20. jeans2nd says:

    Ok I lied.

    Have we all read Sundance’s piece last night on how Pres Trump worked with Small Biz Banks and the FDIC for immediate loans? If not, it is a must-read.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/27/treasury-secretary-mnuchin-discusses-timing-for-coronavirus-support-funds-for-workers-and-business/

    Anyways, Bannon is on my radio, praising that AOC Chickie’s rant on the House floor yesterday, how Commie Chick is correct, and the SBA loans take too long.
    Take too long ?????
    smh no words…

    Ok, I lied. Sue me. But please, please, be VERY careful from whom you take information.
    Pres Trump fired Bannon for cause.

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  21. CM-TX says:

    I do NOT doubt this…

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  22. Sentient says:

    Zinc will inhibit coronavirus from replicating, but zinc can’t naturally easily cross into cells, which is why zinc lozenges are – by themselves – of minimal value. Chloroquine is thought to provide zinc entry into cells where it can thwart the virus. Look up MedCram video #37 on YouTube about zinc’s method of action. Other agents that seemingly can assist zinc gain entry include flavonoids like those found in green tea, matcha tea and the nutritional supplement Quercetin. Matcha tea + zinc supplements could help minimize the virus’s ability to gain a foothold in people.

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    • lolli says:

      I stocked up on Quercetin and a few other supplements recently.
      I always question how much of our supplements are actually received by our body, and have not used them faithfully, but have been lately. Anything to boost our immune response, at this time, is worth a try.
      Stay strong treepers, and fight. We have a long road ahead of us. It is no time for weak soy boys.

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    • sync says:

      Quercitin and epigallocatechin act to open the cellular gateways permitting zinc to enter

      Dietary plant polyphenols such as the flavonoids quercetin (QCT) and epigallocatechin-gallateact as antioxidants and as signaling molecules. Remarkably, the activities of numerous enzymes that are targeted by polyphenols are dependent on zinc. We have previously shown that these polyphenols chelate zinc cations and hypothesized that these flavonoids might be also acting as zinc ionophores, transporting zinc cations through the plasma membrane.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25050823

      The Role of Zinc in Antiviral Immunity

      https://academic.oup.com/advances/article/10/4/696/5476413

      Found this online:

      https://shop.bulletproof.com/products/polyphenomenal-120-count

      Amount Per Serving (4 Vegetable Capsules):

      Pomegranate Fruit Extract POMELLA® FG – 265mg
      Quercetin (as Quercetin Dihydrate) – 255mg
      Turmeric Root Extract LONGVIDA® SD – 200mg
      Bitter Orange Fruit Extract – 200mg
      Organic Green Tea Leaf Extract – 200mg
      MegaNatural® Grape Skin & Seed Extract (Vitis vinifera) – 150mg
      AuroraBlue® Organic Wild Blueberry Blend (from fruit, leaves, and stemlets [Vaccinium spp]) – 150mg
      Apple (Malus domestica) Fruit Extract – 150mg
      MegaNatural® Gold Grape Seed Extract (Vitis vinifera) – 100mg
      Chokeberry (Aronia melanocarpa) Fruit Extract – 100mg

      Note:Epigallocatechin gallate is found in high content in the dried leaves of green tea

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      • lolli says:

        sync,
        Awesome. Love this kind of information.

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      • cjzak says:

        Good ingredients, but I often wonder as with multis, how much of the actual ingredients are you able to get in a formulation like this? I would think taking separate ingredients would be more likely to get the right amounts into the body. Plus, I always look to see if I can tell if the ingredients are from China as so many are in our supplements and meds these days. Even green tea comes from there in a lot of cases. I keep trying to source USA lab verified and certified supplements as much as possible but it isn’t easy to do. We really are dependent on outside products in so many critical things it seems. That light is shining brightly on these issues due to the cv19. Maybe a good thing that comes out of this.

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      • Sherri Young says:

        “Let food be your medicine.”

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    • cjzak says:

      Excellent info! Thank you. I drink green tea daily and take zinc supplements. Hopefully they are helping me stay healthy.

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  23. Skippy says:

    Two coronavirus patients in New York City are off ventilators and out of intensive care after they received an experimental drug to treat HIV and breast cancer.

    As the skyrocketing number of cases stretches city hospitals to the limit, doctors are racing to find out which drugs on the market or in development might help in fighting the infection.

    The drug, leronlimab, is delivered by injection twice in the abdomen, the Daily Mail reported.

    Of seven critically ill patients who received the drug in New York, two were removed from ventilators and two showed significant improvement.

    Doctors right now don’t know quite how leronlimab works, but studies suggest it calms the overly aggressive immune response — known as a cytokine storm — that frequently leads to lung inflammation, pneumonia and potentially death.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/coronavirus-patients-taken-off-ventilators-after-getting-experimental-hiv-drug/

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    • SHV says:

      “Two coronavirus patients in New York City are off ventilators and out of intensive care after they received an experimental drug to treat HIV and breast cancer.”
      *****
      Interesting “side effect” of COVID 19 is the accelerated testing of off label use of drugs. As I posted above, off label use of ) tocilizumab (Actemra) has had some dramatic results. These results from a very small, uncontrolled number of patients creates a serious ethical problem about doing randomized placebo controlled clinical trials. The good news is that these drugs have gone through strict trials and have been approved for use for other diseases. It is my understanding that “right to try” involves drugs that have not yet been through a full testing process and approved for use.

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  24. sunnyflower5 says:

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  25. Co says:

    I am researching overtime on why the Some Democratic Governors will not ok the use of Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) coupled with azithromycin. I offer you my thoughts on the reason: The right-to-use law states “terminally ill patients”. FDA has said go ahead but it is classified as a “clinical Trial”. So these few Governors are marching with the DS or they are just idiots putting their states at risk or they are hen-pecking on the verbiage, again putting people at risk. SMH My dear President Trump or your aides these ass wipes are playing games and I think the right-to-use law needs an amendment!

    Right-to-try laws are U.S. state laws and a federal law that were created with the intent of allowing terminally ill patients access to experimental therapies (drugs, biologics, devices) that have completed Phase I testing but have not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-try_law

    Quickly after the emergence of this virus, the FDA began working directly with partners and innovators to foster the development of medical countermeasures against COVID-19, and we are continuing to provide regulatory flexibility, advice, guidance, and technical assistance. The FDA continues to work with interested sponsors to help expedite any additional clinical trials for COVID-19 medical countermeasures that may be appropriate. The FDA is able to, and has been, turning around requests very quickly to assist in initiating clinical trials.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-continues-facilitate-development-treatments

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    • Sentient says:

      They want to force people into clinical trials where half of patients will get only a placebo. Utilitarian.

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      • Co says:

        Wrong it is the only way around not having 3 years of clinical trials outside the hospital before they re write the indications and offer to public. FDA and Trump have enabled getting around that but the Democratic Governors are mucking the waters. Man-o-Man *sigh*

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        • NewLurker says:

          All the time in the world to rebut various counter-arguments in this thread but “too busy” give a breakdown of the age groups you and/or your ER friend have seen affected to the levels outlined in your prior post above?

          It’s this type of stuff that angers people and makes everyone question others motives. When the simple questions remain unanswered the logical and reasonable thinkers start to wonder what’s up.

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          • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

            Oh give it up. You and the other conspiracy theorists are so tiring. There are people posting actual data but you have to work so hard to refute it. Adhere to the classic CTH principle, Occam’s Razor, and don’t intepret raw scientific data with so much emotion.

            65 million people in the US were infected with H1N1 between April 2009 and August 2010.
            If we see 65 million SARS-CoV-2 infections we’re going to be in big trouble.

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            • NewLurker says:

              It would seem that we don’t agree on the term “actual data” and “raw scientific data”.
              Is that what the U.K.’s COVID-19 model was based on?

              Only time will tell the true data of what this is, a farce or otherwise.
              Until then, let’s all give up our freedoms and “shelter in place” while we’re fed whatever anecdotal information is deemed appropriate for us.

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            • yadent says:

              Well, if Dr. Birx is to be believed and there is a possibility in the US that only 1 in 1,000 infections of COVID-19 have actually been counted, and there are presently 100,000+ known cases here…….good at math??

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          • QCM says:

            Precisely…CO…another word for fear monger omg troll!

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    • SHV says:

      I don’t think “right to try” applies to drug therapies that are showing potential. All of these drugs are approved and on the market for specific and clinically tested uses. To use them for COVID is an “off label” use which is perfectly legal but, I guess, could place the prescriber at increased liability.

      “Right to try”, I think, is for drugs that are in phase II or III testing and haven’t been approved for any clinical use.

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      • Reserved55 says:

        Didn’t the President waive liability laws?

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        • SHV says:

          IIRC, the HHS sec. invoked the PREP ACT for N-95 respirator masks. (A PREP Act declaration is specifically for the purpose of providing immunity from liability) The issue was that N-95 masks intended for medical use are certified by FDA and those used commercially are certified by a different agency. 3M and Honeywell were concerned that they would be sued if their “commercial” masks were used for medical purposes. (And you know damn well that would happen. TV AD..”Did you use a 3M mask from LOWE’S and get COVID, call the law offices of blah….blah”

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    • ltravisjr says:

      Could this go back to big pharma and it’s desire to control the distribution and prices for the drug? I believe big pharma is one of the three largest lobbyists, along with the CoC and Soros’ Open Society.

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    • mimbler says:

      Right-to-use laws are for non-approved drugs. Approved drugs can always be used for off label purposes without resorting to right-to-use laws as I understand it.

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  26. jimrockfish says:

    Mayor here in Tucson ordered all “non-essential” businesses to close until April 17th.

    Still don’t understand why a business owner has not challenged this in court. This stuff is clearly unconstitutional.

    If I had resources and a business affected, I would do it.

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  27. Sherri Young says:

    Peaceful people do not need to advocate violence to make a statement. They need to shine the light on the behavior and words of people like Nanzi rather than hit themselves with boomerangs.

    https://www.ktbb.com/post/?p=863275

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    • Garavaglia says:

      The ability to shine light has, in large part, been thwarted. Trish Reagan just learned this the hard way, as have others. We are not a peaceful people, btw. We have waged war across the globe since our inception as a Republic, and even before that. Our strength, in practical terms, comes from our ability and willingness to wage war. It ain’t cause were nice to people.

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  28. BuckNutGuy says:

    What really has me hacked off this morning is that nobody is questioning the “consensus” other than at places like CTH. Where are our presstitutes to challenge these models, to ask what assumptions are being used? And what costs to those when these turn out to be wrong?

    Mark my words, Ohio residents, they are setting up Commissar Dr Amy to run for Senate down the road. The latest unquestioned fear porn from Ohio:

    https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2020/03/so-what-is-the-potential-peak-of-coronavirus-cases-in-ohio-sorting-out-the-various-projections.html

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  29. plumnelly1 says:

    Things to know…

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  30. NJF says:

    Excellent article by Turley.

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  31. Ausonius says:

    Remember the story about Chinese “scientists” (I.e. spies) working at a Canadian “LEVEL-4” Laboratory and taking virus samples back to the Wuhan Bio-Warfare Laboratory? Here is the back story:

    (An excerpt)

    “This story was published on July 14, 2019.

    A researcher with ties to China was recently escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what’s being described as a possible “policy breach.”

    Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada’s only level-4 lab on July 5, CBC News has learned.

    A Level 4 virology facility is a lab equipped to work with the most serious and deadly human and animal diseases. That makes the Arlington Street lab one of only a handful in North America capable of handling pathogens requiring the highest level of containment, such as Ebola.

    Security access for the couple and the Chinese students was revoked, according to sources who work at the lab and do not want to be identified because they fear consequences for speaking out.

    Sources say this comes several months after IT specialists for the NML entered Qiu’s office after-hours and replaced her computer. Her regular trips to China also started being denied.

    At meetings on July 8, NML staff were told the researchers are on leave for an unknown period of time. They were told not to communicate with them.

    Qiu is a prominent virologist who helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016…”.

    (My emphasis above)

    See:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

    Connections from this incident to our current virus fracas have been constantly attacked as racist and as conspiracy-theory nonsense. The Canadians earlier this year were particularly vehement about shutting down any story connecting these spies to the Wuhan Virus…where a Bio-Warfare facility is located. The Communist Chinese obviously denied everything. 😉

    Possibly there was no release of the virus from the laboratory, and that the rise of Wuhan Flu in Wuhan is completely coincidental.

    Maybe…perhaps…possibly…

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    • Mike Robinson says:

      So we don’t actually know details.

      However: Dr. Qiu is a prominent virologist who helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016…”.

      … fairly unlikely to be a Communist mole. Actually, a “policy breach” could be damned near anything. 🤷‍♂️

      And, although the Chinese Government is getting a bad painting here, the reality is that they are on the forefront of much epidemiological research, (a) because there are so damned many of them, and (b) because theirs is a largely-agrarian society which naturally creates conditions in which viral contagion can appear and quickly spread. So, they’ve got a tremendously vested interest in this, more so than any other nation on earth. They do share scientific information constantly. Inevitably, some of it turns out to be incorrect.

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      • Bendix says:

        Our local SUNY Agricultural College in Cobleskill, NY is full of Chinese students. You are right, they are very serious about agriculture, probably because they endured mass starvation within memory.
        Or maybe not within memory, anymore.

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  32. Reserved55 says:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1243658894196592641.html

    Much more on the Global Fund and WHO.
    Clintons, Soros, Bush, Bono, Bill and Melinda Gates etc. control the medical industry at taxpayer expense.

    https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/is-aids-us-90b-taxpayer-dollars-a-global-slush-fund/

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    • cjzak says:

      And whiny Cuomo didn’t even know the govt. had sent him vents and they were in a warehouse. Plus he now says he doesn’t need to use them right now. But Cuomo is the new leftists’ hero. Gag.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Alleycats says:

      So…. do you have time yet to give us the age/health/co-morbidity breakdowns from your “friend’ the ER doc yet?
      Asking for all my friends.

      Liked by 1 person

      • WRB says:

        That “report” reeks of “internet legend”. It is written inconsistently, for example, using SOB and dyspnea for the same “shortness of breath” symptom. It claims 81% of cases do not need to be hospitalized. A doctor can’t figure that out by who comes into the hospital.

        It is all over the net, so it is doubtful CO is the one and only friend of the author doing a “good turn” by sharing this with us.

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        • cjzak says:

          I was cautioned when I read that the hydroxy treatment was being used and was seemingly of little value. Kind of refutes some of the factual info we have gotten from other doctors using it. Made me wonder as I thought about it for awhile.

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        • Alleycats says:

          I must have forgotten the / tag.

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  33. StuckInBlue says:

    Leftists #1: “RESIST TRUMP BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, IN AND OUT OF GOVERNMENT!!!”
    Leftists #2: “TRUMP SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE TO PREPARE FOR THIS PANDEMIC!!!”

    Liked by 3 people

  34. jeffsn4 says:

    I just spent 9 days working in/touring the San Diego area. Specifically the coastline between Carlsbad and La Jolla. I had a blast! hahaha Coronavirus tourism is outstanding.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Roger Duroid says:

      So, NY gov perry cuomo just admitted the 4000 ventilators US gov sent ARE NOT YET NEEDED ! He just wants them and more in case. … 2 weeks of bs about people dying because of lack of them.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Bendix says:

        I have posted previously, we New Yorkers pay sky-high taxes, but one thing we do get for our money is disaster preparation. Drills, training. This is a fact. We have had the capability to quickly set up field hospitals too, since at least the 1960s.
        When politicians disguised as leaders (i.e. anybody named Cuomo) doesn’t get in their way, they do an excellent job.

        So when I heard lack of beds, lack of ventilators, blah blah blah, I knew two things. It either wasn’t true, or Cuomo caused the problem.

        Liked by 3 people

  35. Patience says:

    Cuomo now has his own daily show on all MSM cable

    Liked by 3 people

  36. Alex50 says:

    Dr. Didier Raoult just released the results of a trial study on 80 sars-cov-2 using hydroxychoroquine and azithromycine. Dr. Didier is a world-renowned virologist. The results with this combination drug therapy on the infected patients were amazing (79 patients improved). I think I would rather be encouraged by this controlled scientific study than listen to anecdotal, uncontrolled studies by unknown doctors on the efficacy of this new therapy.

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    • Co says:

      Since we only have 3-4 months of data, this is encouraging. An uncontrolled study would be what the democrat governors are apposed to. I personally think, leave it up to the patient, sign a consent and let’s see.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Reserved55 says:

      28 page English language PDF at the link.

      Liked by 1 person

  37. Ausonius says:

    Please forward this to anyone who still claims that “China has changed: it isn’t a Communist country any more.”

    https://freedomhouse.org/article/chinese-communist-partys-latest-propaganda-target-young-minds?fbclid=IwAR311q_w-zVQFrrwcLd0wvWnTK2V5MyZsgpbh3sRzTtOTXJiFV3__KV4Q9Q

    A salient excerpt:

    “…On March 25, the Financial Times reported that prominent constitutional law professor Xu Zhangrun had been barred from teaching at the prestigious Tsinghua University in Beijing. He had written numerous essays that sharply and eloquently criticized the top leadership’s decisions, often drawing on ancient Chinese philosophy, literature, and political theory to make his arguments. Xu was subsequently stripped of his other positions and teaching responsibilities. On April 8, scholar Yu Jianrong, known for his research on China’s peasants, had his Sina Weibo microblogging account, which had 7.2 million followers, silenced such that he could no longer post comments, only read others’ messages.

    In two other cases, educators have faced jail time for sharing information about the persecuted Falun Gong spiritual group in their private capacities. In January, Zeng Hao, a business professor at Tianhe College in Guangdong Province, was sentenced to 3.5 years in prison after posting images related to Falun Gong on Tencent’s QQ messaging platform…

    “…Surveillance inside and outside the classroom

    In an April 8 article, Radio Free Asia noted increased efforts to monitor Chinese university students. Reporters found online documents showing how institutions like Wuhan University of Science and Technology are continually recruiting students to act as informants on their classmates and teachers, typically submitting reports to authorities every two weeks. One former professor said the recruitment began in earnest in 2014, shortly after surveillance cameras began being widely installed on campuses in 2013.

    More recently, surveillance cameras linked to facial recognition software and brainwave-detecting headbands have appeared in elementary and secondary schools, provoking nervousness and anger among some pupils. Although the monitoring is ostensibly for the purpose of tracking students’ focus and study habits, it could also be used to detect ideological transgressions by teachers or students….”

    And is that surveillance system courtesy of ….Google and/or Apple, those bastions for defending freedom of thought?

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  38. Bogeyfree says:

    So after reading the posts I see 4 different frug treatments that people have posted that seem to help…

    1) hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin

    2) intravenous (IV) tocilizumab (Actemra)

    3) Losartan – Unregulates ACE2 which, after infection, appears to be protective.

    4) leronlimab, is delivered by injection twice in the abdomen,

    I’m no doctor so maybe our CTH doctors could zero in on these 4 different treatments and share with all here the difference and their experience if any with these treatments.

    Also, of these 4 is there an order in which they would recommend a patient try?

    The posts jump all over the place so maybe even a dedicated thread on just treatment options and experienced results would be helpful to all.

    Liked by 2 people

    • WRB says:

      so maybe even a dedicated thread on just treatment options and experienced results would be helpful to all.

      Just consult your local Dem Governor. Governor Gretchen Whitmer is especially qualified. /s

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  39. plumnelly1 says:

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    • freespeechfanatic says:

      Absolutely correct. If she worked for Fox News she’d be fired for saying this.

      Liked by 2 people

    • hillariousclinton says:

      How much money has been wasted educating, feeding, housing, medically treating illegal aliens instead of ensuring American citizens and legal resident have the services and resources in just such a situation as this?? Seems to me there is a huge campaign opportunity on the horizon…. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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  40. mtg50 says:

    This is the weekend to up the panic stories prior to the end of the 15-day period. Scare numbers will be forthcoming and MSM will run with them.It is so predictable. Let’s not get fooled.

    Liked by 3 people

  41. booger71 says:

    Just got a “science is settled” letter from the CEO of my hospital and Doctor’ Clinic; (SW Missouri)
    “There is no longer a debate that all medical experts now agree that all US hospitals will be overwhelmed by early summer by the virus known as COVID-19. Please do your part to…blah, blah, blah”

    I wrote him back with a very scathing email. Where these hospital administrators getting this crap?

    Liked by 2 people

    • Bendix says:

      They haven’t had time to survey “all medical experts”.
      I worked with a woman who had to switch pediatricians due to insurance.
      The new pediatrician told her that the course of treatment for her son’s asthma was all wrong and needed to be more aggressive.
      Both men equal in expertise.

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  42. WeThePeople2016 says:

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  43. burnett044 says:

    fyi

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    • Mariposa323 says:

      There is something that just doesn’t add up . Let’s say , quarantine over and curve is bending but virus still out there , it still will spread . Same number of infections , same number of deaths over longer period of time . What am
      I missing ?

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      • yadent says:

        Not too much. Don’t want a large number of deaths within a short time interval—bad optics. Same number of deaths over longer period—-not so much. Besides, general quarantine of an entire community may not help but focusing on specific vector hot-spots could be the answer. Those hot-spots? Very real possibility they are the ‘facilities of healing mercy’—————————————————https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238695

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        • Little Berkeley Conservative says:

          That’s the second time you quote market tickler. You know he voted for Obama? I prefer analysis by Sundance. If I wanted market dribble from Carl, I’d visit his blog.

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  44. rah says:

    A little historical perspective that may provide some hope.

    The following is extracted from the book ‘Tex Johnston Jet Age Test Pilot’
    The year is 1940. Tex, already an experienced pilot, is taking Aeronautical Engineering classes in Kansas and holds commercial and instructor licenses. The US government, already perceiving the potential threat of the war in Europe expanding, has started programs to train more pilots. To earn money for schooling and his family, Tex has taken a job as a primary flight instructor flying Porterfield trainers at $600.00 per month.

    “On a south takeoff I could see the foundations of the old World War I camp Funston, where 22 years before I had shivered in the frozen ruts of the dirt road in 10-degree weather while Dad talked through the wire fence with his brother, my uncle Frank, quarantined by the flu epidemic. I’ll never forget the row upon row of dead bodies frozen stiff and piled like cordwood five feet high, waiting for burial when the ground thawed. As I flew over the area, I considered the progress since that day when Mother had waited in a side-curtained Model T touring car with a quilt over her feet and legs that retained the feeble heat of a kerosene lantern. The roads were frozen mud, 90 percent of the vehicles were horse-drawn, and there was no electricity or running water or indoor facilities, Here I was flying over that same area at 90 mph in a closed-cockpit airplane warmed by a cabin heater. The roads were paved, not a single horse-drawn vehicle could be seen, and electricity, hot and cold running water, and indoor facilities were standard–all accomplished in roughly twenty years.”

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  45. WeThePeople2016 says:

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