Apple Will Close all Retail Stores Outside China Until March 27th Due to Coronavirus…

This is a bold step for the brand.  It takes very strong leadership to make a decision like this. All Apple Inc. retail stores will be closed; however, on-line distribution centers will remain open.  Workers will continue to receive their regular pay despite the closures.

(Via CNBC) Apple said it will close all of its stores outside of Greater China until March 27 to reduce the risk of the coronavirus spreading.

The iPhone maker’s online store will remain open as well as its “Apple Store” app.

Apple CEO Tim Cook said the company had learned lessons from the outbreak in China and that is why it is taking these steps.

“One of those lessons is that the most effective way to minimize risk of the virus’s transmission is to reduce density and maximize social distance,” Cook wrote in a blog post late on Friday. “As rates of new infections continue to grow in other places, we’re taking additional steps to protect our team members and customers.” (read more)

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221 Responses to Apple Will Close all Retail Stores Outside China Until March 27th Due to Coronavirus…

  1. sundance says:

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    • TwoLaine says:

      A cell phone store is a very touchy feely place. Everything gets touched, tested, put up to your face. I can imagine it would be a nightmare to keep the germs out.

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    • mike says:

      Trump’s administration needs to make some supportive decisions that may encourage or bypass FDA on the chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine treatments used by China and S Korea, respectively. These are 2 – 10 cent pills in Asia that seem to work on coronavirus, while our economy crashes and the globalists ready their ID 2020 plan. Our DS/pharma fed media is ignoring this.

      These pills have been long approved for other diseases. Our country needs to get in gear, quit wasting billions and trillions on shutdowns and extra Constitutional power grabs by the Deep Staters, and show the world we’re still winners.

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    • tampafan says:

      This is great – keeping employees on payroll, rather than just shuttering and laying off as most brick and mortar retailers would have to do.

      Did Tim Cook cut a “deal” with Trump? Lead by example – get some sort of bailout or relief in moving manufacturing to US?

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    • arsumbris says:

      If only Tim Cook wasn’t a sodomite, an open borders advocate, and an overall terrible human being, I’d offer applause. They aren’t doing this to be bold, or selfless, they’re doing it to calm shareholders and avoid lawsuits. Remember Foxconn sweatshops? Yeah, that’s the “prior experience with Corona” he’s talking about. These are close friends of the communist party.

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      • Les D says:

        Screw the Red China Party 4eva and eva. Go Sen.Tom Cotton (R-Ark), that boy is the only one ain’t playing patty cake patty cake with these creeps. PT prolly has to play chop sticks after he found out like we all did just recently that big Pharma, the 4 last presidents, the 12 last Congresses, and enuf K street lobbyists to fit in a quarry gave Red China control of much of our medicine supply chain. China owns us on Heparin, vitally needed and really will be when China19 gets worse; B/P meds; half our antibiotics, just to name a few of the 28 we think we know, not mentioning 6 vaccines. Where was the CDC, FDA, CIA, Nat’l Security Advisors, DOJ Anit-Trust, AMA, Medicare, when they watched all of these bums do this?

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  2. Chad says:

    Didn’t Apple just re-open it’s stores in China?

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  3. hawkins6 says:

    Closing your stores with pay to all employees is quite impressive. Capitalism at its best.

    Other non essential stores with online purchase options will likely follow this example like the Sport’s Leagues all followed the NBA. Starve the stinking virus until the end of March if possible so Covid test kits, respirators etc will be stockpiled in the interim. Then, hopefully the stalled sectors of the economy can be kick started back to normal

    I still order take out to support locals occasionally and microwave the food before eating it. Sufficient heat will kill the virus in case a food employee sneezes on your food.

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    • amjean says:

      They have the cash to do so because we consumers purchase their products.
      Other companies caught up in this “controlled panic” do not have the means to do so.
      Communism at its best.

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      • Raptors2020 says:

        Always risky keeping people out of their stores: they might realize how much needless consuming their doing.
        That’s a central objection of leftists to capitalism – the pointless consumption. But then, in communist countries, you can’t even get the essentials.

        Americans consuming things they don’t need is the heart of the world economy. Dilettante leftist movie stars rail against needless consumption, but then, who needs the movies? I don’t. Nobody knew they needed movies until they were invented: that’s true of many things.

        The best answer, like most things American, is freedom. I’m free to choose how I spend my money, and it’s none your damn business what I choose.

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        • CountryClassVulgarian says:

          Take the stockpiling that is now going on because of fear. People are cleaning out supermarket shelves. While I understand it – most people still get their information from the very fake news hysterical drive by media – I don’t like it and I have chosen not to participate in fear. I am not going to assume I know whats best for my neighbors. As you said its their choice. I know whats best for my house and I am not going to spend hundreds of dollars of food or “stuff” I can’t possibly eat/use in two-three weeks.

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          • hawkins6 says:

            “…most people still get their information from the very fake news hysterical drive by media.” Yeah like Tucker Carlson now.

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          • JMP says:

            Hawkins6 already beat me to it, but I’ll just emphasize that if our side would act as a united front in calming things down – they (MSM) wouldn’t be the majority.
            The Pres. himself points out this sad fact that the Dems always close ranks with their messaging, while we always break them.

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        • JonS says:

          Exactly! And consuming ESPN, NBA, NFL, etc is big part of it. What if we learn we don’t need that anymore?

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      • ARW says:

        Apple’s action simply means brick and mortar retail is a fraction of their sales and even more so since everyone is staying home for the next few months out of FUD. The world we live in is one of corporate virtue signaling. My apologies for being quite cynical of Apple’s decision.

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    • Skippy says:

      I purchased a new MacBook Air in January 2020 as my old one broke after 10years. My husband, a professor, will now be telecommuting so I’m teaching him how to use it. It’s perfect and we have a decent speed on our Wifi. I’m very thankful I had the opportunity and finances to buy this as many do not. Btw, the MacBook Air’s can save you some money.

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  4. amjean says:

    Whatever……20,000+ persons die from the flu annually. Did the media and the democrats
    create havoc and panic? Never.

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    • JustScott says:

      Panic #2 when Friday panic shoppers start getting sick Wed-Fri. (ramp up)
      Panic #3 when some Friday shoppers start dying the following Monday. (throttle back)
      Engineered control system loop. Ramp health care system to 95% capacity ASAP, hold there as long as possible to get it over ASAP. Minimize total societal damage.
      Wish I was wrong.

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    • Jambo says:

      Italy’s health system is so overwhelmed they are now leaving old people to die and concentrating on those with the longest life expectancy. If you are able to tell me when that happened with the flu then all good.

      Spain are a week behind Italy and USA are two weeks behind but the exponential curve is the same. Again, if you are able to tell me why the same thing won’t happen in both those countries then have at it. If you are wrong about Spain, you will know in a week and we have a week to act. Or we could act now.

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      • amjean says:

        I read that the govt of Italy made a deal with people in China where the virus was
        started/incubated to work in northern Italy. They may have brought the disease back
        with them after going home for New Year.

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        • GB Bari says:

          That’s exactly what happened.
          Italy was previously lured into accepting a large number of Chinese immigrants into that northern area. Those immigrants went home to Wuhan then returned with several of them infected. More tragedy because of lax immigration policies.

          President Trump prevented that scenario here by shutting down travel from China early on.

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          • jebg46 says:

            But then the Chinese rerouted to Europe to get into the US, that’s why there are pockets of infection in NY, etc. The President didn’t spell it out but that’s why he shut down the EU.

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      • CountryClassVulgarian says:

        The United States is neither Italy nor Spain. We have a President who took decisive action early and fast. Americans are among the most hygienically responsible people in the world.

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    • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

      influenza fatality rate: .1%
      COVID-19 fatality rate: estimated 2%

      COVID-19 is 20 times more fatal than influenza. If we see the same number of infections of COVID-19 that we do with influenza, we will have 20 times the death rate.

      Other points to consider: few to no people have immunity to it because it’s new in humans, and there is no vaccine.

      It’s very important to mitigate the spread and limit the number of infections.

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      • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

        (not enough coffee)

        If we see the same number of infections of COVID-19 that we do with influenza, we will have 20 times the number of deaths.

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      • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

        It’s also possibly more easily transmissable:

        Disease experts estimate that each COVID-19 sufferer infects between two to 3 others.
        That’s a reproduction rate up to twice as high as seasonal flu, which typically infects 1.3 new people for each patient.

        That means it’s going to spread like wildfire, like it already is, right? Just like H1N1 in 2009. We have more than 2000 confirmed infections in the US already. Remember when it was fewer than 1000 like 3 days ago?

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        • lolli says:

          Super elte👍

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        • Jambo says:

          USA has the same exponential growth as every other country, nothing special, nothing different, entirely predictable, but two weeks behind.

          Italy had more ICU beds per capita and they lost. USA will lose also unless people wise up.

          It’s not science it’s math. Exponential spread, no immunity, no vaccine.

          It is what it is.

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        • oldersoul says:

          Do you know that the CDC now has 2019-2020 seasonal flu infection estimates now OVER 50 Million.

          Over 50,000,000.

          And seasonal flu deaths are now estimated in excess of 50,000.

          This Wuhan flu has killed 10 people outside of Washington State.

          Can you please observe some perspective. By April, peak flu season is effectively over.

          There is too much panicmongering going on, starting with an out-of-control media.

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          • Linda says:

            Oldersoul I agree never hear any panic over the thousands that die of the flu. The media hysteria is what makes me sick! The msm is good for nothing! I don’t even watch the actual news and I still can’t get away from the stupidity.
            No one will ever convince me that this is real it’s all fear mongers, fear infection. Take normal flu add lung infections call it something it’s not, get the msm to fear monger and they get their expected results. Fake tests that doctors dare not disagree with. We would never know the truth.
            Notice there’s no one in china (wuhan) protesting the extremely bad air anymore? Guess they got wuhan flu and were cremated. Yes I’m very cynical.

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            • Yy4u says:

              I am with Linda. Whenever I turn on the news I have to remind myself not to panic. All the “readers” have their hair on fire (if it bleeds, it leads”). Even reading above posts, I have to tell myself …”Don’t buy trouble”. Wait and see if it does what the fear mongers say it will; then panic!

              I am high risk (old). I sure don’t want it (or the flu) and I recognize that Italy and Iran have experienced a high mortality rate. Both have socialized medicine which is wonderful
              UNLESS you get sick or need treatment.

              But this is not the black death.

              Unlike Ebola which was here in 2014, 90% of those who get it won’t die. Most recover. Some recover without even knowing they had it.

              Get a grip folks. The media are trying to damage the president, the Democrats are trying to use it to take another step toward socialism, Agencies are using it to increase their funding and prestige, the Republican establishment are useless as always. In short, “business as usual”. Hate to be jaded but I will try not to be stampeded over an emotional clff just because the Uniparty isn’t in charge.

              Percentage wise, more Americans died in Benghazi than from this flu virus. Fifty out of 350 million do far.

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        • Searkreb says:

          Can you provide links to this data?
          Thanks

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      • cantcforest says:

        Reconsider the math please. The fatality fatality rate is the number of deaths divided by the total number of cases. The stated fatality rate for ordinary flu, 0.1%, has been determined over a period of time that allows the total number of cases to be reasonably determined.
        However, with COVID-19, I’m almost certain that the 2% estimate was base on the number of reported cases. Given the asymptomatic nature of this virus, and the lack of testing, the total number of cases could be 10 times the number of reported cases. That would result in a fatality rate of 0.2%.
        Wash your hands.

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        • mimbler says:

          Yes. South Korea probably has the most accurate numbers due to their extensive testing, and they are showing 6 tenths of a percent fatalities. Worse than the flu, but not nearly as bad as the numbers show where people haven’t tested as much.

          And South Korea’s numbers are undoubtedly still higher than reality because of some unknown number of asymptomatic cases not being counted.

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      • oldersoul says:

        These fatality rate claims are completely betrayed by health organization reporting data, from South Korea in particular.

        At the beginning of this past week, South Korean health authorities had determined a fatality rate of 0.68% across an infection group exceeding 7,000. That rate has only declined as more data has been processed. This rate is consistent with seasonal flu.

        Please, we need no more wildly hysterical and unsubstantiated statistical claims to stoke what is already a mindless panic.

        No more fear porn, please.

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      • Jason Ross says:

        In South Korea, the fatality rate for people under 30 is ZERO. ZERO people. ZERO percent. If Italy is a week or so behind South Korea, they may publish the same/similar numbers.

        https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rates-by-age-south-korea

        How do we know that every America who had an annoying bout of Strep, Flu, RSV or a cold this winter didn’t also have COVID-19 ?? Nobody was being tested. But everyone is still upright and walking. Most of us are looking looking forward to spring, not laying in coffins.

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      • dufrst says:

        With more testing, that mortality rate is bound to decline. We will know more in the coming weeks as more and more people get tested.

        No one is making is saying the virus a conspiracy but people are saying the virus is not the apocalypse the media is making it out to be. South Korea has shown with testing we are finding out that the death rate is much lower. China is already on the road to recovery and there was nowhere near millions infected. This in a nation of billions of people where you would expect millions to be infected and it register like thousands in other countries.

        So we will have to take prudent precautions over the next couple of weeks until we see the actual numbers but in the end, this virus will likely look more like the flu than anything worse or even what the death rate looks like today.

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      • trialbytruth says:

        Anyone who tells you they know the fatality rate is blowing smoke.

        In order to know that we have to have a baseline of total and infections, quite simply we don’t. Let me go be an example.

        CDC numbers for US ( smaller numbers led with Zeros to make it visually easier to compare)
        @35,000,000 infections
        @16,500,000 medical visits
        @00,490,000 hospitalization
        @00,034,200 deaths

        1. So in the US where medical care is plentiful roughly 1/2.go to the doctor. (Personally I am skeptical as I have had the flu numerous times but neither do I or my kids went to the doctor to be told to drink water and rest. Projecting my personal experience is bad science so we will go with CDCs assumption that there are twice as many cases as there are medical reports)

        2. Of those 16.5 million reporting @1/2 million end up hospitalised

        3 of the 1/2 million hospitalised 7 percent die

        The thing is at the start of an epedemic we don’t know much. We know how many die and we know how many make it to some kind of medical care. That is all we know.

        We do not know how many.people stay home and recover and any estimate the CDC has on this ( a doubling) becomes useless when the stricken are told endlessly by PSAs to stay home unless they are so bad they need hospitalization (they can’t breathe).

        When this is over a year from now they will crush the numbers but the only numbers that will be unaffected by the panic and the super job this president is doing is the rate of death after hospitalization. Assuming the hospitals are not overrun.

        The more stable number that is tracked are flu deaths in nursing homes. That number should be able to be side by side compared.

        Keep in mind this is being politicized and we are mobilizing like never before. Being able to call in symptoms will.raise the reported rate because people won’t be putting others at risk doing so. How.much no one knows.

        Wow I just coughed I better call tele-med and see if I have the Corona. Virus and get a couple weeks off work. I called yesterday when I sneezed but they said I didn’t have it then.

        Yepp numbers will be skewed for ever on this.

        Trump 2024

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      • amjean says:

        People get the flu every year; most do not die. And, there are different strains each
        year.

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      • GB Bari says:

        Hyperbolic and incorrect.
        Your calculations are wrong. The sources you got them from are wrong.

        Mortality rate must use the TOTAL number of infected persons in the denominator.
        That has been repeatedly made clear by the professionals on VP Pences team.
        They have stated they DO NOT YET KNOW the total number of infected persons due to so many being asymptomatic and not reported.
        Their mortality estimates are CURRENTLY at LESS THAN 1%.

        Please let the professionals report the statistics as those are refined with increasing knowledge.

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      • L4grasshopper says:

        influenza fatality rate: .1%
        COVID-19 fatality rate: estimated 2%
        =====
        The fatality rate for COVID-19 is based on massively incomplete and often bogus data.

        All you are doing is encouraging the hysteria.

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      • JMP says:

        Dr. Mark Segal was on Mark Levin (thankfully one of the voices of reason besides Rush) explaining why that ratio is likely to decrease with time.
        Also, there does not seem to be any issue with the younger than 60 population. So the over 60 and compromised medically populations should be extra vigilant, the whole Country doesn’t need to panic.
        Sadly, I’m afraid there will be more unnecessarily deaths from going to the hospital (which is a dangerous place) than from the virus itself.

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    • JonS says:

      Let’s see if all these drastic measures stop the flu season in its tracks. Do we ever go back?

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      • wondering999 says:

        *That* is what I have been thinking about… if suddenly the population becomes more mindful of the consequences of spreading nasties… might flu season disappear?

        If airlines stop flying sick coughing sneezing boogery passengers who get everybody within 6 feet ill… and all the staff wash their hands and pay even closer attention to hygiene… will I stop getting sick for a week, after about half the flights I take out to California?

        Could be some massive improvements in health and productivity coming up

        And the elementary school where my kids used to go. The principal skimped on the central heating/AC filters, and one mom who was a nurse took him to task for it. Second grade teacher told me that she and most of her class got sick by the second week of school and tended to stay sick for most of the school year. I definitely noticed it in my kids; sneezing and coughing by the second week. If all the risk factors get cleaned up — what a difference this could make?

        TRUMP 2020

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  5. Corporate virtue-signalling, largely. I would think better of them if they just put mandatory hand-washing stations — hand sanitizer and wet wipes — inside the entrance of every store, and told everyone that anyone touching his or her face while in the store would be asked to leave.

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  6. Judith says:

    UN-believable. Paying people to stay home does not sound like Capitalism to me. I would go out of business. Hope they don’t expect all employers to carry this burden. We are not Tim Cook.

    Will they mandate a quarantine next? If FEMA takes as long as it did to reimburse businesses following Superstorm Sandy, a lot of them may shut their doors permanently.

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    • Sammy Hains says:

      A managed, voluntary shutdown that keeps employees healthy is a lot less expensive than unplanned involuntary shutdowns because all your employees are sick at the same time.

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    • hawkins6 says:

      Judith:
      “Paying people to stay home does not sound like Capitalism to me” Not all companies are the same in capitalism. Some are loaded and very profitable while others are on the edge.

      I worked for a private sector company that paid large voluntary bonuses and covered time off for various reasons that they didn’t have to. It really boosts morale and increases productivity. in this case, CEO Tim Cook is wise enough to see that sick employees or even a possible dead employee are not a benefit to a company. This will be good publicity for Apple—a win win.

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    • FrankieZee says:

      Amazing that they are staying open in China. I guess the Virus is done over there? Very strange. If that is the case, then in another month it should be over?

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      • Eric C. says:

        It’s “done” because they locked down and stopped the infection rate, it’s the only way: the transmission must be disrupted, warmer Spring temps will do it but we need a few more weeks to buffer.

        Originally, I was on the this is stupid track, but I firmly stand with the NBA and Apple. Bold moves that saved countless lives. Epidemiology is a numbers game, pure statistics. The virus will grow exponentially unless disrupted. China shut cities down once they realized community spread was out-of-control.

        Taiwan took proactive measures, as did PDJT, closing travel fairly early. The number of deaths gives you a good sense of true exposure as opposed to “reported” (not everyone will be tested that has it because they’re symptoms might barely show.

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        • ARW says:

          What is the “natural” infection rate and what did they reduce it to? And is there any reason to believe the infection rate on land is any different than what it was on the cruise ship?

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          • trialbytruth says:

            All.good.questions that no one really.jas answers to .

            However regarding cruise ships think in terms.of.social.proximity, and buffets. Exposure is greater there then at your own dinner table.

            My daughters neighbors just left for a Cruise a few days ago. One has to wonder.

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          • GB Bari says:

            NO ONE has those answers any better than Drs. Fauci and Birx on VP Pence’s team.

            When they have statistics backed up by verified data, they pass it along to us in these pressers. It can change every few days as more data is being collected.

            Anything else from any other media is unreliable and probably inaccurate, IMHO..
            Too much politics at stake, and in this instance, the truth is likely more helpful to the President so the MSM isn’t too eager to report the factual statistics.

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  7. Judith says:

    “One of those lessons is that the most effective way to minimize risk of the virus’s transmission is to reduce density and maximize social distance.”

    And what happens after two weeks? Why not take a month or three?

    Sounds like permanently “shuttering businesses” is the most effective way to minimize risk of a roaring economic engine and maximize Enemedia hysteria to reduce President Trump’s chance for re-election.

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    • Guyski says:

      It isn’t so much about limiting/preventing exposure to the Wuhan virus, but flattening the curve for those needing medical/hospital services.

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      • Skippy says:

        Precisely! Great point Guyski!

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      • ARW says:

        Just to be clear, going forward, this is the model for dealing with viral outbreaks. Shut down the business of the country. Well, at least until Trump is out of office. Then there will be crickets.

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        • Dwayne Diesel says:

          And the Chinese just showed the world how the new era of warfare will look….brace yourselves. This won’t be the last “virus” we see…

          China halted the world without firing a single shot. All they suffered was less than 5000 casualties so far. Far less than if they fired a shot.

          Call me what you want this was not accidental. The origin and its manifestations just don’t add up. A virus so contagious it spreads like wildfire but magically just appeared in one dude in the middle of a densely populated area, out of nowhere? Just food for thought.

          The Art of War.

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          • YvonneMarie says:

            Agreed !
            Meanwhile the politicians live their luxury lives as usual.

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          • GB Bari says:

            Yes and no.
            The Chinese may think they’ve created a new way to neutralize their adversaries, but you would be mistaken to assume President Trump and his team aren’t simultaneously developing a stronger process of “hardening” this country’s defenses against that risk.

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            • Dwayne Diesel says:

              I don’t disagree with you . But, there’s a major variable involved: stupid humans. We have a lot of them here in the U.S. They always cause a good plan to go bad.

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        • Judith says:

          Yes.. and there were *crickets* when dangerous *respiratory* disease RSV came roaring in with the migrant hordes. And nobody thought to close our borders when a “polio-like” illness hit sanctuary schools in NJ and CO either.

          Un-vaccinated, border-jumping leeches have also brought a resurgence of measles, and don’t even think about what’s been floating around those garbage-strewn tent cities in Commiefornia. Yet that was all business as usual too.

          Forgive my cynicism here. Tim Cook, who like all greedy Globalists abandoned the USA for Asian sweatshops, can call the shots for Apple.

          Everyone else should buy hand sanitizer and avoid touching their face until they wash their hands rigorously. Oh yes, and while we’re at it, the Enemedia has yet to give MAJOR PROPS TO OUR PRESIDENT for his prescient move in erecting a border wall to keep out who and what we don’t want in USA (gangbangers, drug traffickers, diseases..) AND making great headway SINCE DAY ONE in the arduous process of bringing manufacturing BACK home to USA where it belongs (steel, dog food, medications, rubber gloves, face masks ..anyone?)

          Crickets on those Chinese tariffs that equalize the playing field between American workers and Asian sweatshops, too! How about President Trump’s WISE decision to stop travel from China as the virus first took hold? He was all alone on that one.

          The Enemedia won’t EVER say a word about that.. or the fact that EU’s open borders *pact* has devastated Europe.

          Like I said, UN-believable the crap these Globalists are putting out there.

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      • Eric C. says:

        Yup, disrupt the exponential growth.

        If there’s a 17% infection rate and only 0.2% of those need ICU/ventilator care, figure out the math on 350 million.

        This is about interrupting the transmission rate, it’s that simple and I’m on board!

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      • TJ says:

        Hope this helps…

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      • dufrst says:

        Bingo. You win the prize!

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      • Linda K. says:

        I think if you limit exposure, it should limit sickness spreading. We are a huge country and there are some states with no exposure, it seems.

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    • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

      They’re going to take this step by step. Stop assuming that everyone knows right now what’s going to happen.

      We have more than 2000 confirmed cases in the US already. It’s blowing up here, just like H1N1 did in 2009. COVID-19 is 100 times as fatal as H1N1 but we lost 12,000 people to H1N1 in just a one year period back in 2009-2010. Want to lose 1.2 million to COVID-19 this year? Of course not. We need to mitigate the spread. This is not “hysteria”, it’s math.

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      • They don’t know exactly how fatal this is…they are projecting. They don’t test everyone. 80+% will not see symptoms or if they do they are mild and won’t be tested. We are only testing those who come down with really bad symptoms and need medical attention., This gives false numbers and inflates the potential deadliness.

        I wish they would force all of us to be tested. Why? So that we can find out that there are a lot of cases out there because Coronaviruses are not new. They only test for the virus not COVID-19 (just like when they generically test for flu)- according to what I have read about viral tests. If they test us all and they find out a lot more have it and nothing happens to those people then the mortality rate goes way down. When that happens then fear goes away. Can’t have fear going away this is doing great for those wanting power.

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      • Skippy says:

        Dr. Fauci said 10 x (ten times) more fatal not 100. I believe him.

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      • TJ says:

        The Surgeon General doesn’t even know, this is why understanding flattening the curve is important.

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    • Linda says:

      👍👍👍👍👍👍

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  8. Val says:

    I may die in my ignorance and because of it, but having traveled cross country (San Diego to VT, MA-Los Angeles and everywhere in between) for the last three months, I can’t understand the urgency. Life seemed normal until Yesterday. What changed? What makes this more serious than the Swine Flu?

    I can only continue to pray that God give wisdom to all in this administration.

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    • Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

      We’re at 2000+ confirmed infections in the US now. It’s blowing up, just like H1N1 did in 2009. In 2009 the H1N1 pandemic began in April, by the end of June there were 1 million infections. It happens quickly without mitigation.

      This is why the CDC put out their report showing how mitigation helps to reduce the spread and will spare lives. Mitigation is going to spare us a million deaths. We saw 12 thousand deaths from H1N1 in a one year period. COVID-19 is 100 times as fatal as H1N1. 12 thousand * 100 = 1.2 million CDC’s worst-case scenario estimate is even worse.

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      • Val says:

        Thank you. It seems reasonable now. We need to learn from the past.

        May God help us. The President called for a Day of Prayer Sunday. We really need to do thar. My Church will be closed, but we’ll pray and worship from home.

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        • lolli says:

          Val,
          Yes, spread the word.
          A day of prayer. This Sunday.

          I must say, if anyone is interested
          Mass in B Minor by Bach is a perfect piece. So beautiful, and uplifting. The perfection of Gods creation comes through and fills your soul. Take the time to worship. ❤️

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          • Val says:

            Thank you!

            “Rejoice always;
            pray without ceasing;
            in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”
            1 Thessalonians 5

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      • oldersoul says:

        You understand that even the estimated peak H1N1 infection numbers were only 2% of those for seasonal flu? And this Wuhan flu isn’t going to get anywhere near that.

        The only thing blowing up is mindless hysteria over non-comparative statistics. Even one million people is less than one-third of of percent of the US population. 2,000 is statistically no one in a population of 327,000,000.

        I gave you an accidental like, but you can have it.

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        • Dixie says:

          oldersoul, you can remove that “like” by clicking on it again.

          I think you are wise beyond your screen name and I agree with everything you’ve said.

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          • Val says:

            You guys!! The “like” was exposed, now might be contaminated!! LOL

            I don’t buy the histeria and will be continue living, as much as possible under the circumstances imposed. It’s up to us to be safe, as always.

            I have faith in God and I know He’ll be guiding the President and his administration.

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        • Linda says:

          Oldersoul👍👍👍👍👍

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      • Jesse says:

        The population of the United States has been around 320 million and holding steady for a few years. If the population is holding steady, it stands to reason that we lose 1 million people a year, every year. 320,000,000/365 = 867,000 ish. That means approximately 867,000 people are born and die every year with a stable population growth.

        People who live in towns near me have lost their minds. There was a woman in the store behind us in full panic because no one in our little town is “taking it seriously.” She was claiming a 3% mortality rate. I calmly told her that if that true it means there is a 97% survival rate, and there’s no reason to panic. Our little community(approximately 1800 souls) has one small grocery store, and one convenience store. All of the paper products have been bought out by people from a larger nearby community (approximatley 100k) coming up and buying the products.

        Life will go on. We will plant our garden as soon as the snow melts off the nearby mountain (mid-May), eat the food in our freezer and enjoy out bottle veggies.

        Oh, and get on on Amazon and buy a bidet. Best $50 ever!

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      • GB Bari says:

        Wrong again. You continue to hype false statistics.

        Dr. Fauci and Dr, Birx have stated the mortality rate for Covid-19 is less than 1%. That is approximately 10 times that of “normal” or legacy flu viruses. NOT 100 times.

        Please stop posting your hyperbolic false data.

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      • JMP says:

        No offense, but those are Joe Biden kind of numbers ”150 million killed by guns”.
        1) China has 1.2 billion citizens and 3000 deaths, that’s with a much greater population density and much lower hygienic standard.
        2) A ”million deaths” would assume 100 million or more infected!
        3) with warmer weather just days to weeks away it will rapidly decline.

        So please, I know you mean well, but don’t add to the hysteria.

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      • theasdgamer says:

        Lol, our numbers are nowhere near the curve that you project.

        H1N1 was far more lethal than COVID19. Once you get more widespread testing like Germany and So. Korea, you discover that COVID19 is far less lethal than H1N1. And we are doing a better job of protecting our at-risk population now than ten years ago.

        What is Germany’s mortality rate from COVID19? 0.2%? Maybe we can do better. We have more ICU beds per capita than Germany. Probably more respirators per capita, too.

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    • frogman says:

      Mostly, the vulnerable population was able to get vaccinated against the swine flue. That keep the death numbers down. The virus spreads faster then the flue, so it will effect more people quicker.

      As a country we did poorly considering we knew how to treat the swine flu and had a tested vaccine on the shelf; IMHO. Way to many died.

      This virus is bad as it spreads easily, takes quite a while for one to realize one has it, and has the right kill ratio not to high and not to low.

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    • Vince says:

      ” Life seemed normal until Yesterday. What changed? ”

      I think a lot of it is when the NBA suspended its season. That woke a lot of people up and it stopped being a disease on the other side of the world.

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  9. Super elite covfefe999 loves her President! says:

    Wow, according to the Johns Hopkins map (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html), Itally has 17,660 confirmed cases already. And 1266 deaths. That’s a fatality rate in excess of 7%.

    This virus is no joke, people. Stop with the conspiracy theories and junk science remedies. This is a virus with strong potential for serious lung damage. It’s not as bad as SARS or MERS but it’s way worse than influenza.

    President Trump and Vice President Pence are saving lives by implementing mitigation early. I love my President and Vice President. 🙂

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    • Orbanista says:

      Of the CLOSED cases in Italy, 53% recovered/discharged, 47% fatalities.
      Source: Worldometer

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    • James Street says:

      I’m not buying what you’re selling.

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    • oldersoul says:

      The only thing out of control is your hysteria. You are posting fear porn everywhere.

      You seem to have no grasp of the statistics concerning seasonal flu and other viral infection variants. These Wuhan flu numbers are trivial in comparison.

      Italy and Washington State have hot spots where the elderly are disproportionately infected.

      99% of Italy’s deaths are over the age of 60, and most are over 80, many with pre-existing respiratory problems.

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      • CountryClassVulgarian says:

        Thank you!!!! The fear mongering is becoming quite nauseating. There is a tweet by Jack Prosbiec about a guy who now has a stockpile of 17,700 bottles/packages of hand sanitizers and wipes and “nothing to do with them” because Amazon and eBay have shut them down. These people are going going from neighborhood to neighborhood, and even state to state buying up every roll of toilet paper, disinfectants and sanitizers they can find then selling them for ridiculous prices. While I blame people for buying in to the panic and shelling out $600 for a 12 pack of toilet paper, I am glad Amazon and eBay have shut it down. People have become selfish and stupid and this kind of misleading and downright false information does not help.

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    • Jason Ross says:

      More “well” people will get tested and the fatality rate will plummet. Like South Korea, which currently stands at .68 percent.

      Think people, think!

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    • theasdgamer says:

      Silly person. The U.S., with a far larger and younger population, has less than 100 deaths, mostly in a senior citizens’ nursing home. The confirmed case mortality rate is most likely far higher than the total case mortality rate. We won’t know until more testing occurs. Probably the mass hysteria and phobia will evaporate when we get more testing results, even if they are just from New York.

      I’ve stopped watching Fox News with their hysteria-pumping. There’s too much of an outbreak of General Revenue Enhancement Excitement Disease there.

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    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      For someone who “loves my President and Vice President” you are doing a swell job instilling confidence in their handling of this crisis and sowing fear and dread.

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    • Arrest Soros says:

      Oh stop it. JUST STOP IT.
      Can’t equate Italy to the USA.
      Italy is a much older population. Median age more than 10 years older than US.
      Most of the infections and death is in the north of Italy. That’s where most of the African refugees reside. These people have dormant TB, meaning they already have damaged lungs.
      North of Italy also hosts their garment industry. This industry was purchased by the Chinese over 10 years ago. The new owners imported cheap labour from China, many from Wuhan which is also a garment industry hub.
      None of those conditions exist in the US.

      Comparing Italy to the US is like comparing the old folks home death rate in Washington State and extrapolating that to the rest of the US.

      The US will NOT have a 7% death rate, not even close.
      SO STOP IT, SUPER ELITE ALARMIST PANIC ARTIST.
      Take a Bex and a lie down. Relax.

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      • Vince says:

        I agree, I am not expecting the US to have close to the same death rate as China, Italy or Iran. Some factors you didn’t mention are the fact that we have a much lower population density. We are not packed in like sardines as the Chinese or even Europeans are. Plus our personal space that we keep between people is larger than Southern Europeans and Middle Easterners. Compared to China, US citizens are practically quarantined on a normal day.

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    • JMP says:

      South Korea has 8000 cases and 75 deaths, we have 3000 cases and 60 deaths.

      Those are much lower ratios and will likely go down further as more are tested.

      Why Italy is different I don’t know, but please don’t add to the hysteria with one example.

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  10. lolli says:

    Mass is suspended in San Antonio.

    https://www.kens5.com/article/life/mass-services-suspended/273-c920617c-272b-4448-96a4-60f59a2fed8f

    Well, we are ramping up here.
    Grocery stores have been picked clean.
    Everything shutting down.
    Drive by corona tester.
    Sheriffs dept is now avoiding public contact, unless immediate emergency.
    People here already worried they will be without a job next week.
    A city full of cartel and illegals.
    I really hope all the people in this country (high percentage) who are on anti depressants and anti anxiety drugs, have their refills.

    The saddest part of this is, at a time when people need strong support, during a crisis, we are instead being told to stay separated.

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  11. Angus D says:

    Went to the store at 6:30 this morning, usually I have the place to myself, not today. Still plenty of cat food and potato chips left

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  12. GREENMIRROR says:

    Bold…or all the factories and employees that produced the product in china are in severe lockdown health conditions.

    Same with the NBA…would be interesting to see where shoe sales/production are today…maybe we will get some factories in Iowa and such to produce the fancy chuck taylors.

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  13. Joshua2415 says:

    So one of the wealthiest and most powerful enterprises on earth, with access to the most advanced analytic capabilities and a reservoir of consumer mobility data beyond comprehension has concluded that the Covid 19 “crisis” will be over in 2 weeks.
    Nothing to see here. Everybody back to work.

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  14. Dwayne Diesel says:

    China has halted the world without firing a single shot. The Art of War indeed.

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  15. Dwayne Diesel says:

    China has halted the world without firing a single shot. The Art of War indeed.

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  16. twingirls (@twingirls49) says:

    Question…since this is a respiratory virus, does anyone know if having a pneumonia shot has any benefits? Perhaps not avoiding contagion but mitigating the severity.

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    • Joshua2415 says:

      I’m not a doctor, I don’t play one on TV, and I didn’t sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but the smart money is on pneumonia causing most of the “Wuhan Virus” related deaths. So if pneumonia shots are effective, then yes, it would probably be a reasonable precaution to take if you are elderly or have a known respiratory impairment.

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    • Jlwary says:

      My understanding (as a nurse) is that the effects to the lungs is not so much a pneumonia, but more of a sticky residue that effects the lungs at the sites of O2/CO2 exchange, the alveoli.

      As to your question, specifically, I don’t know that it could help prevent it because the presentation seems different.

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    • booger71 says:

      I got one 2 years ago, and haven’t had pneumonia, but I didn’t ever get it before then either.

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  17. TwoLaine says:

    In the USA numerous millionaires and billionaires are stepping up to cover for the people they employ, directly or indirectly, and WITHOUT the threat of laws and/or regulations from a bloated GUBT. The list is growing daily.

    THIS is CAPITALISM at its finest!

    It is why we don’t need the DIM party. We don’t need socialism or communism. The USA is working exactly as it was designed to work! Hallelujah!

    Liked by 3 people

    • wondering999 says:

      Like like like. So energetic and joyful. Also belongs on the Day of Prayer thread for tomorrow, so more people can share in it?

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  18. You can’t stop living because of a virus. Especially not one that is fundamentally a cold virus. You need to take sensible precautions but these actions are not sensible.

    Either the virus is coming in on Apple hardware, or the decision to inexplicably close retail stores across the USA is inexplicable.

    It will be an interesting couple of next-weeks until this thing blows over.

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    • oldersoul says:

      Fortunately, the Wuhan flu virus can survive on inorganic surfaces (plastics, metals, minerals) no longer than common flu viruses can.

      If anything is in transit for more than a few days, the virus should not survive the trip.

      Otherwise, merely wash your hands. Same as any other flu season.

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    • wondering999 says:

      Mike, the Apple stores involve a lot of people handling a lot of things… and then putting them back. Touch screens, etc. It would be a prime place for transmitting contagion. Good move to slow down the spread for two weeks.

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  19. Trump Train says:

    I would like to see 2 things come from this. In independent criminal investigation into stock trading since this started. There have to be laws already on the books that can be used to bring extreme justice to these manipulators. Hint soros ect.

    More importantly, anyone who does not believe this was not a somewhat coordinated attract either led by or contributed to by the deep state, cia, dcoms ect is a idiot.

    Get investigations/ spy opps ect outside of the corrupt traitors so they can be identified, prosecuted and more importantly executed with real time access globally.

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  20. oldersoul says:

    This is corporate virtue signaling. It has become viral, more so than the virus. The race to avoid public shame and show they care just as much as the others. It’s defensive marketing.

    No one wants the media shame of not shutting down and spraying and scrubbing every square inch of their operations, because everyone else is doing it.

    Corporate herd-think and me-tooism at it’s finest, in action. “Isn’t Apple so responsible and caring! It’s like they are carbon-neutral or something…”

    Ask Apple about the manufacturing carbon footprint of their products (not recyclability), and hear crickets.

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  21. Mike in a Truck says:

    Economic security is National security. Pharmaceutical security is National security.

    Liked by 5 people

  22. Bulldog84 says:

    They can close. I had a phone emergency yesterday after drowning my 6s. I’m set till I drown my new 8.

    Liked by 1 person

  23. JmKNY says:

    Italy is currently overwhelmed due to the information they’re not reporting. Apparently Chinese companies purchased a lot of the textile and leather goods companies in the hardest hit provinces. Instead of continuing to employ Italian workers there are over 100,000 illegal Chinese workers in the Italian factories. Lots of direct flights from Wuhan to Italy. Due to the slow reactions from the Chinese government in terms of notifying the rest of the world, the assumption is that the virus has been circulating in Italy a lot longer than originally thought. James Delingpole has an article on Breitbart about this.

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    • Marygrace Powers says:

      Delingpole: Trump Was Right to Shut the Gates on Plague Pit Europe/

      JAMES DELINGPOLE12 Mar 2020

      He elaborates on his theory here:

      “The murky reality is that the EU turned a blind eye to vast numbers of illegal Chinese immigrants working in Italian factories. The ‘Open Borders’ EU will of course try to keep this under wraps, but reality is, the Chinese Mafia operate Italian textile factories with tens of thousands of illegal immigrants shipping ‘made in Italy’ goods into China and elsewhere.

      Why didn’t the EU act to stop corrupt Italians taking backhanders from the Chinese mafia?”

      “And, of course, thanks to open borders, what is Italy’s problem today will be the problem of neighbours like Switzerland, Austria, Slovenia and France tomorrow.

      Trump understands better than most politicians just what a corrupt, inefficient, porous entity the European Union is — which is why he was so keen for his friends in the United Kingdom to leave it.”

      https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/12/delingpole-trump-was-right-to-shut-the-gates-on-plague-pit-europe/

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    • Yy4u says:

      Interesting. It would be interesting to know how many of the deaths Italy is reporting were Chinese, not Italian. I read somewhere that the virus seems to be tougher on Asians than the rest of us.

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  24. ADAPTIVE RETAILING IDEAS:

    Tim Cook may well have “redeployed” their Apple Store workers to AppleCare support – both phone and online – recognizing that the closures would multiply AppleCare demand.

    My bride’s favorite Knitting/Yarn Store owner has very creatively adapted:
    • Heavily-promoted online, email and call-in orders.
    • Virtual Shopping where employees FaceTime with customers to peruse “Trunk-Show Displays”, view specific products/colors, get advice, pick & confirm their orders.
    • Free shipping with 1-day local deliveries.
    • Walking picked-and-packed orders to cars to eliminate customer exposure.

    Customers are also adapting:
    • Purchasing now what they will use later to keep the shop in business.
    • Buying Gift Certificates now for future purchases … as they’re doing for favorite Restaurants.

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  25. TJ says:

    Surgeon General suggests stopping elective surgeries.

    Liked by 2 people

  26. cosmicbluehippo says:

    Thanks to the conservative treehouse for being an island of sanity in this madhouse!

    Liked by 2 people

  27. TJ says:

    SBA information.

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  28. thedoc00 says:

    Sorry I am not so supportive of Apple. So, the miracle cure in China is OK but not any where else. More shear crap. Oh, and all the other equally or more dangerous socially transmitted diseases are on holiday during this new crisis. This move just fits nicely with China Inc.’s latest propaganda.

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  29. jeans2nd says:

    Glad to see Cook acknowledge all the Uyghurs moved in to the Communist Chinese factories to replace sick or deceased workers. Uyghur deaths, of course, are not included in death counts.
    Nice little Communist China bow by Cook, as well.

    please pardon my sarcasm and cynicism
    apple is evil..
    …and only for wimps, anyways…

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  30. John Good says:

    I am so “happy” to see more of the Chicom’s control over the USA Economy EXPOSED in this Breitbart article this morning!

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/03/13/frank-gaffney-trump-must-stop-500-billion-federal-pension-fund-from-investing-in-china/

    The US cannot have a Communist Country in control of their destiny anymore! Time for President Trump to do more “house-cleaning” of the Swamp & Wall Street! Trump is exposing more & more of these “greedy & corrupt slime-balls” in the USA & I for I think that he & his family should be recognized by EVERYONE for the true Patriots that they are!

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  31. dallasdan says:

    I wonder if The closings are really due to product component shortages creating production shortfalls. The benevolent motive being claimed may be a ruse to hide issues that could significantly impair the company’s stock price.

    Having worked on Wall Street, I learned that a suspicion such as this if the first reaction of savvy investors.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      Cook had the option to say that to mitigate his bowing down to China Inc., who has him by the short hairs. There is an old saying that fits nicely here, “possession is 9/10’s of the law”. Before China Inc. plays that card, they can go to the US Courts, with the help of allot of US legal firms, to attack via export laws.

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    • Dixie says:

      Excellent point. I’m reluctant to look at how much my future may have been significantly impaired by those “savvy” crooks.

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  32. CNN_sucks says:

    I am interested of Bill Gates stepping down. His participation of pandemic simulation in november last year. Their funding of a group who owns coronavirus the patent. The coincidence is too obvious and suspicious

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  33. lolli says:

    Here are the reported numbers as of today.
    From https://promedmail.org/
    International Society for Infectious Disease

    2 Feb 2020: 11 / … / 76 / … / 547 / 605 / 972 / 1311 / 1762 / 2294 / USA

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    • lolli says:

      Interesting details if you read reports on each country at that site👆
      Here is an exert regarding Iran.

      “- A team of experts from WHO, Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network partners, the Robert Koch Institute in Germany and the Chinese Center for Disease Control concluded a technical support mission on COVID-19 to Iran on [10 Mar 2020]. During the team’s mission in Iran, the Ministry of Health and Medical Education (MOHME) launched a national campaign to control COVID-19.”

      Notice Koch Bros involvement.

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  34. Zachary Navarre says:

    So are we to expect these kinds of shutdowns every flu season from now on?
    It would, after all, save countless lives right?

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    • JohnCasper says:

      The “irony” is that these shutdowns probably will save lives, but mostly from the flu and the auto wreaks there otherwise would have been getting to and from the events, not from Wuflu / C19.

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  35. Johnny Boost says:

    Apple is probably short on product anyway, seeing as how their China factories were down. Don’t see this as being altruism, because it isn’t.

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  36. JohnCasper says:

    “This is a bold step for the brand. It takes very strong leadership to make a decision like this. All Apple Inc. retail stores will be closed”

    Bold and “strong leadership” to follow the more-concerned-than-thou crowd / mob ???

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  37. IGiveUp says:

    Glad it’s all over by March 27.

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  38. ip siscr says:

    I have to beg to differ on Apple. Cook moved Apple assembly to PRC after Apple attempts at US manufacturing were a disaster. The thing I don’t understand is why they couldn’t fix the issues in the US plants but could set up efficient factories from scratch in PRC. It looks like a choice rather than a need. A choice made for other reasons. Also people that have as an experiment gone to PRC to work on the assembly lines say it could be all done by robots. You can’t serve both God and mammon and God will judge.

    Old Chinese proverb about how to game the system “send them silks” just like Lenin’s “sell them the rope we’ll hang them with”.

    But it’s almost impossible to avoid PRC in many supply chains so pick your poison.

    The communists couldn’t separate the US worker from management so they switched the plan to separate the management from the worker. You will notice all big corporations are leftist progressive today. PDJT and all of us too are in the belly of the whale.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Big difference in environmental regulations, labor laws over there. Labor Unions don’t exist there either.

      Most people have no clue how those two areas dramatically increase cost of operations in the U.S. While I’d prefer them being in the U.S., ALL of Apples competition is being made in Asia. So it would exacerbated the existing cost differential between Apple products versus Windows-based computers and Android based mobile devices.

      President Trump has probably reduced the environmental regs that were overreach and counterproductive. Not sure he can do much about labor costs.

      I’d love to see Apple made in the USA. I switched to Apple in 2009 after my Windows PC was hacked despite significant anti virus and anti malware software on my machine. Since switching to Apple OS X (a Unix based operating system), I’ve never had a single problem. I’ll never go back unless a better and more secure technology replaces Windows. Yes I know many people have never had a problem with their Windows PCs.

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      • ip siscr says:

        I have always been Apple. I think it probably is the best device. But their PRC involvement is wrong morally. This really hit me in rhe HK protests. I can’t buy another new Apple product.

        Of course all tech pretty much involves PRC so what does one do ? Perhaps make a choice along lknes of greater and lesser evil, or if it’s not too hard core, repurpose to Linux and open source older equipment.

        If a desktop is all that is needed and one is linux proficient, there is the line offered by Raptor Computing “Talos” line. Apparently, as far as I can tell, all US except for discrete graphics card. The chip is IBM Power 9, probably the best cpu currently available.

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      • ip siscr says:

        Check out also what Jimmy Lai, HK businessman, has to say about western industry in PRC.

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