Wednesday February 12th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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  1. citizen817 says:

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  3. DanDeplorable says:

    3 / 4

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  4. T2020 says:

    Proverbs 3:5-6

    5 Trust in the LORD with all thy heart,
    And lean not upon thine own understanding.

    6 In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
    And He will direct thy paths.

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  5. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    The Time Element In Scripture

    How many Scriptural problems would be solved, how many seeming contradictions explained, if we were more careful to note the time element, emphasized so strongly in the Word of God.

    In Romans 5:12 we learn that sin entered the human race by Adam. Then later “the law entered” (Ver. 20). But still later the Apostle Paul arose to say: “But now, the righteousness of God without the law is manifested” (Rom. 3:21).

    Early in man’s history blood sacrifices were required for acceptance with God (See Gen. 4:4; Heb. 11:4), later circumcision and the Law (Gen. 17:14; Ex. 19:5), and still later, repentance and water baptism (Mark 1:4; Acts 2:38). But not until Paul do we learn of salvation by grace through faith alone, on the basis of Christ’s finished, all-sufficient work of redemption.

    This is why the Apostle refers in Gal. 3:23 to “the faith which should afterward be revealed.” This is why he declares that our Lord “gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time”, and adds: “whereunto I am ordained a preacher and an apostle” (I Tim. 2:6,7).

    It is only as we recognize the time element in Scripture that we see the difference between “the kingdom of heaven” and “the Body of Christ,” between “the gospel of the kingdom” and “the gospel of the grace of God,” between the “dispensation of law” and “the dispensation of the grace of God.”

    A comparison of Romans 3:21 and 26 shows how this time element is emphasized in Scripture. After discussing the function of the Law in Verses 19 and 20, the Apostle Paul declares: “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested…” Then, in Ver. 26 he states that it is God’s purpose: “To declare, I say, at this time His [Christ’s] righteousness; that He [God] might be just and the Justifier of him that believeth in Jesus.”

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

    Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

    Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

    Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

    Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    1Ti mothy2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    · * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    “It is only as we recognize the time element in Scripture”

    Here is a timeline (a picture is worth 1000 words)

    “Colossians 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;”

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    • TMonroe says:

      “Early in man’s history blood sacrifices were required for acceptance with God (See Gen. 4:4; Heb. 11:4), later circumcision and the Law (Gen. 17:14; Ex. 19:5), and still later, repentance and water baptism (Mark 1:4; Acts 2:38).”

      As interesting as it is to see what is listed as requirements for “acceptance with God”, let’s look at the time factor on repentance — notably the one listed that is associated with a spiritual action rather a physical one that may or may not be married to a spiritual component sufficiently, if at all.

      Paul preached repentance well after the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) and made that point clear in an address to the leaders of a largely Gentile congregation (cf. Eph. 2:11). This was in Ephesus, where he had shared with “all” (to wit, “both Jews and Greeks”) for years (Acts 19:8-10) and one to which he had also shared his insight of the revelation of the mystery “that the Gentiles are joint-heirs, and a joint-body, and joint-partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus, through the gospel” (Eph. 3:6).

      Note the sameness of what was taught to “the Jewish and to Greeks” well into Paul’s ministry and evidently well into his letter writing, including to largely Gentile congregations: “I did not shrink back from declaring to you anything being profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house, earnestly testifying both to the Jewish and to Greeks repentance in God and faith in our Lord Jesus” (Acts 20:20-21).

      Let us go even further along in the timeline with Paul to the imprisoned in “chains” part of his ministry (cf. Acts 26:29). What was Paul declaring to the Gentiles? Here’s part of what he spoke before Festus and Agrippa: “So then, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but both first to those in Damascus and Jerusalem, and all the region of Judea, and to the Gentiles, I kept declaring to repent and to turn to God, doing works worthy of repentance” (Acts 26:19-20).

      Note that declaring to Gentiles to repent appears to be obedience to “the heavenly vision”. Further context on what Paul was commanded by Jesus in that vision was also shared about a purpose which in large part related to “…the Gentiles to whom I am sending you, to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those having been sanctified by faith in Me” (cf. Acts 26:17-18).

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      • TMonroe says:

        “It is only as we recognize the time element in Scripture that we see the difference between “the kingdom of heaven” and “the Body of Christ,” between “the gospel of the kingdom” and “the gospel of the grace of God,” between the “dispensation of law” and “the dispensation of the grace of God.””

        As we examine timelines, it is noteworthy that Paul’s message in the synagogue in Acts 13 so closely parallels Peter’s in Acts 2-5, as both were focused on an audience with common frames of reference regarding the promises to Israel, including the Messiah.

        Looking at Acts 17:18, we see that Paul, well into his ministry, “was proclaiming the gospel of Jesus and the resurrection.” This was amongst Gentiles in Athens, which was widely considered the center of thought and philosophy at the time. When Paul spoke to them, the resurrection message was combined with the proclamation that repentance was needed, as God had appointed/chosen a man to judge (cf. Acts 17:30-31), which corresponds to the Kingdom message preached by John the Baptist (Matt. 3:2), Jesus (Matt. 4:17), and the apostles (Acts 2:38, 3:19).

        When Paul addressed the Ephesian church leaders, he spoke of his his ministry there amongst — largely Gentiles per Eph. 2:11 — “all of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom” (cf. Acts 20:25), as well as “earnestly testifying both to the Jewish and to Greeks repentance in God and faith in our Lord Jesus” (Acts 20:21).

        Note that when Paul arrived in Rome as a prisoner, that “… it came to pass after three days, he called together those being leaders of the Jews” (cf. Acts 28:17). The reply came from these leaders who hadn’t heard about Paul’s situation that they wanted hear about “this sect” (Christians/the Way), as they’d heard that it was “spoken against everywhere”.

        So what did Paul share with them?

        Acts 28:23 “Then having appointed him a day, many came to him to the lodging, to whom he expounded from morning to evening, fully testifying to the kingdom of God and persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets.”

        After Paul got the response he often did when first speaking to diaspora Jews in Gentile lands (some persuaded, others unbelieving), Paul let them know as he had elsewhere previously throughout his ministry (Acts 13:46, 18:6) that “this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles” (cf. Acts 28:28).

        Again, what did Paul share in the subsequent two years with all that came to the house were he was kept?

        Acts 28:30-31
        “And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”

        Just as with Peter, Paul proclaimed the aspects of the gospel that were appropriate for each audience in the post-ascension, pre-temple destruction time, while the believers were learning “that the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel” (Eph. 3:6).

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  6. Garrison Hall says:

    “Your out of my arms and I’m out of my mind . . .”

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  7. Pa Hermit says:

    Sundance here is a piece dedicated to you! It’s called Mediterranean Sundance and it is excellent!

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    • Jim in TN says:

      For a brief moment, I was wondering how they miked one guitar to be so distinctly clear and separate in the left and right channels on different notes. Instead it was two guitars separately miked but played so closely in sync that it could have been one hand rapidly alternating between notes.

      Why did people mostly stop recording for stereo? That is one for a good pair of headphones.

      And each has a distinct sound too. What is the difference in the two instruments?

      Thanks for the listen.

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      • Rhi says:

        I saw Al Dimeola in Lahaina some two decades ago, intimate club setting, tiny guy but monster with either electric or acoustic guitar. I think on this cut Paco DeLucia played the other guitar, Dimeola uses a pick which sounds ‘brighter’ vs Paco’s nails. Thanks for posting, haven’t heard it for some time.


      • Gneiss Guy says:

        This was one of my favorite albums during my college years. Actually cut through two copies. About 25 years ago the much older Al and Paco did a live version of this in San Francisco that is well worth your time


  8. Dora says:

    If anyone is interested in this year’s Westminster Kennel show, there is a winner! She’s a black poodle with puffs and pompoms. All I can say is – how can anyone do that to a dog? 🙂


    Poodle named Siba wins best in show at Westminster

    Primped and poised, Siba the standard poodle owned the ring.

    Even with the crowd at Madison Square Garden chanting for a popular golden retriever, the statuesque Siba strutted off with best in show at the Westminster Kennel Club on Tuesday night.

    Adorned with black puffs and pompoms, the 3-year-old Siba was the absolute picture of what many see as the epitome of a show dog.

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  9. Gary Lacey says:

    As Musk and Bezos prepare to fly off into the wild blue yonder of Mars, I wonder if NASA will tell them the Apollo moon landings were just movies.
    Would NASA stand by and let lives be sacrificed in order to shield a hoax.
    Remember, Musk and Bezos are assuming the path has been cleared to reach the moon.
    The Apollo landings were about snookering the Russians, Kubrick’s masterpieces did just that.

    BTW, for those of you who believe the moon landings were real. I just come by some Global Warming carbon tax credits to sell


  10. Gabriel says:

    Man I tell you what.

    this virus is viscous. Been trying to kick it for over a month now. It’s like the flu x10.

    Wife got it, I got it. She couldn’t even move for 3 weeks. I don’t don’t know if it’s Corana or not but we both got sick at the same time. All I can say is there is a nasty virus going around.

    It incubates, then it lights you up, it pretty much “zombifies” you, can’t even move, all you can do is lie on back and say “oh crud”, flu medicine does nothing. Hospital here in Dallas kept me isolated in ICU. Had blood coming out of everywhere. I couldn’t even go downstairs to smoke, had to go to toilet room.

    We were both in Thailand at the same time over by Laos, I later went down by Cambodia so I don’t know how we got it.

    It’s passing now. Before couldn’t even keep water down, now can drink water. All doctors do is just keep pumping IV’s into you.

    Trust me everyone, this is being severely under reported and it is nasty, this is not the flu.

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  11. Dora says:

    I don’t know if anyone will find this helpful, but we certainly are living through anxious times.


  12. getfitnow says:

    VDH’s take on Limbaugh

    FTA – Genius is often defined in myriad ways. One trusted criterion is the ability to do something extraordinary in a field where others could not — and doing something that perhaps will never be done again by anyone else.

    By that measure, Rush Limbaugh certainly is the genius of talk radio, a genre in which he not merely excelled but that he also singlehandedly reinvented as something entirely different — and entirely more powerful and instrumental in American life — from what was imaginable pre-Limbaugh.


  13. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”
    John 10:10 (KJV)

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  14. just stevie says:


    “And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.” Exodus xx. 19

    We do not consciously disobey God, we simply do not heed Him. God has given us His commands; there they are, but we do not pay any attention to them, not because of willful disobedience but because we do not love and respect Him. “If ye love me, ye will keep My commandments.” When once we realize that we have been “disrespecting” God all the time, we are covered with shame and humiliation because we have not heeded Him.

    “Speak thou with us…but let not God speak with us.” We show how little we love God by preferring to listen to His servants only. We like to listen to personal testimonies, but we do not desire that God Himself should speak to us. Why are we so terrified lest God should speak, either the thing must be done or we must tell God we will not obey Him. If it is only the servant’s voice we hear, we feel it is not imperative, we can say, “Well, that is simply your own idea, though I don’t deny it is probably God’s truth.”

    Am I putting God in the humiliating position of having treated me as a child of His whilst all the time I have been ignoring Him? When I do hear Him, the humiliation I have put on Him comes back on me – “Lord, why was I so dull and so obstinate?” This is always the result when once we do hear God. The real delight of hearing Him is tempered with shame in having been so long in hearing Him.

    Oswald Chambers
    February 12th Devotional

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  15. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ y’all lyin’ dog-faced pony soldier infidels!

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  16. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    How many of us have noticed that the run of the mill Chinese, outraged at the government’s handling of the norovirus crisis and the fate of the doctors who breached the government’s imposed silence and spilled the beans, who were arrested (and especially the one who.subsequently died of thr virus), are now publicly singing “Do You Hear the People Sing”?

    Sorry about the horrible sentence…

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  17. Sepp says:

    . . . but deliver us from the Evil One.

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  18. wtd says:

    Coronavirus is a bigger threat than terrorism: World Health Organization

    Torn – Natalie Imbruglia (#Coronavirus Parody)

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  19. Hollywood Bungalow says:

    Can anyone provide an update on the SC 1st congressional district race?

    I’d really like to see us flip this seat by sending Joe Cunningham packing.


  20. czarowniczy says:

    I guess one of the disadvantages to being an old-school-military retiree is the inability to grasp the modern changes. To wit, both the Army and the Air Force have adopted uniform changes that allow Sikh and Moslem soldiers and airpersons to wear head coverings and beards in line with their religious beliefs. Both Sikh and Moslem military will be allowed short (2″) trimmed but not sculpted beards. Sikh soldiers can wear turbans while female Moslem military can wear the hijab, no definite word on how this will translate into combat zone headgear but regulations (which are sure to be challenged in court) are being worked up.

    The AF helped grease the way for this years ago when it allowed worship space on the AF Academy grounds for Wiccan and Pagan worship services. The rest of the military was dead set against accommodations that damaged uniformity, especially beards that threatened the seal on gas masks, but along came Obama and his crew of nihilists and here we are. Let’s see if, as with the Dutch military, next next move is to allow the military members to unionize.

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  21. Sepp says:

    Prayers from the Orthodox Church for daily life as well as for varoius needs, problems, and situations.

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  22. NoTwoSystemsOnlyOneChiCom says:

    Malaysia’s leader says he called for Pres Trump to resign to save America. Seems the 90+ year-old has an issue with the peace plan. Look behind you because they’re about to hold a vote of no confidence. And racism? Take care of your own shores.


  23. mandy says:

    Watching another history lecture, learned something I did not know.

    Names with “Fitz” – “descended from Anglo Irish of one sort or another” and it means “son of.”

    So Fitzgerald means “son of gerald,” Fitzpatrick “son of patrick,” etc etc etc.

    In case you’d like to watch the lecture…here ya go:

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  24. mark says:

    Don’t know which Treeper posted it but remember the 104 year old Marine who asked for Valentine cards? He has received (get this) 70 thousand. 70,000 LOL I did my part!

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  25. Bendix says:

    This makes me sick. I wouldn’t be talking about this silly story, except that Ms. Markle there has obviously been influenced by the likes of Obama to style herself as some sort of SJW, and she has made nasty anti-Trump remarks.

    Prince Harry reportedly in talks with Goldman Sachs


  26. Sepp says:

    To Ponder

    Let me ponder on the Lord Jesus as the friend of children, as:

    1. The friend of the angels of heaven, who are like children, innocent, obedient and passionless.
    2. The friend of little children on earth, who believe in God with simplicity and ease.
    3. The friend of the saints, who are by labour and grace cleansed from sin and become innocent as children.

    From “The Prologue from Ohrid” by Saint Nikolai (Serbian-born Bishop who reposed in the USA and was a former prisoner at Dachau) for today – January 30th – on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church.

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  27. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  28. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Gen. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  29. Sepp says:

    Synaxis of the Three Great Œcumenical Teachers and Hierarchs, Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, and John Chrysostomos

    Each of these Saints are honored separately during the year, but today they are remembered for their virtues as genuine Shepherds of Christ’s Flock.


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