Iran Refuses to Hand Over Black Box From Fatal Boeing Crash Near Tehran – Nose of SAM Missile Discovered Near Crash Site…

In the aftermath of Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 exploding and crashing just north of Tehran airport, the Iranian government is refusing to turn-over the black box flight data recorders recovered from the crash site.   Combined with the timing and location, their refusal is leading to increased speculation the flight may have accidentally been targeted by Iranian air-defense systems.  The tragedy is being compounded by Iranian politics.

The Boeing 737-800 is a very dependable aircraft with three decades of service.  This specific Ukraine aircraft was built in 2016 & just had a service inspection on January 6th. Immediately after the crash, Iranian officials stated the cause was “technical difficulties”, and after video surfaced showing the plane was on fire heading to the ground, Iran later stated the cause was one of the engines on fire.  However, there was no distress call or report of issue, from very experienced Ukraine pilots to Tehran air-traffic control.

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There were 176 passengers and crew aboard: 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainian passengers and crew, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three Britons on board. Additionally, what appears to be the nose of an M1 Surface to Air Missile (SAM) has been identified in a debris field near the crash site.

(source)

Translated: @Azematt – “Local people where to shoot the first photo, take it inside the place of the father of Nazdiky, the place of the fall of the Ukrainian fall. @AshkanMonfared_   Farstadeh as it clearly divided the Central Bank of Moskur”

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336 Responses to Iran Refuses to Hand Over Black Box From Fatal Boeing Crash Near Tehran – Nose of SAM Missile Discovered Near Crash Site…

  1. Johnny Boost says:

    To be fair, Iran strikes me as the kind of place where you can find random missile parts lying around anywhere.

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    • jx says:

      Yes. Could be an old piece of debris.

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      • konradwp1 says:

        Unlikely. Obvious burns/explosive residue seen would be quickly removed by wind/sand and rain.

        In images of similar missile fragments exposed to the elements, the blackening is generally gone from the torn edge, exposing bare alloy without paint and evidence of gas spalling from the high explosives.

        This 9M330 guidance element is from a very recent firing.

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    • jx says:

      It looks like it’s been their a while, the ground around it is undisturbed.

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    • USNpatriot says:

      Johnny. I don’t think you are anywhere close to correct. This is not in Iraq or Syria where you might find pieces like this in a battlefield. This is near the airport in the capitol of Iran. There has not been any battles near there in decades to just have parts lying around.

      Somebody manning one of the many anti-aircract batteries encircling Tehran forgot to turn off their detection system, or wasn’t told to stand down. I can just imagine the rag head jumping around holding his head yelling “No, No, Nooo… Not good!” the moment the AA missile went active and launched.

      What good reason would the pilots of that plane think it was a good idea to take-off when the entire country was expecting incoming US Tomahawk missiles at any moment. Not real bright. Darwin award candidate.

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      • Kirk says:

        I’m pretty sure that the Teheran Air Traffic Control people had rather more to do with that take-off decision than the pilots did.

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      • Bulldog84 says:

        You are assuming the pilots/crew knew what was happening that day. Who knows whether they fluent in Farsi, but presumably Iranian-controlled news wouldn’t blast their intentions. Even if the crew wanted to follow the news, most websites would be blocked in Iran (no free speech) and unless you have a VPN or are somehow getting word from folks outside the country you are screwed.

        Now, why the airline, owned by Ukraine, wouldn’t be aware and pull the flight — that’s another story.

        Somehow I think that whoever was on the ground manning the anti-air systems, and their command, have been beheaded by now. Dead men don’t tell tales.

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    • old white guy says:

      I noticed in the video that was shown, that the aircraft was on fire and then there was an explosion while in the air and big explosion when it hit the ground.

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  2. Lanna says:

    How long before we hear that CrowdStrike found evidence that the U.S. hacked into an Iranian missile app? /s

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    • No need to turn over the black box as it has been examined by Crowdstrike, and it was just a mechanical failure.
      No need to look any further.

      BTW, anyone of import on the plane that would necessitate the Ron Browning of an entire plane to get one guy?

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  3. merrob6258 says:

    Looks like bad google translate. My Farsi is rusty by I translate it as “One of the local people sent a view in a water canal near the crash site of the Ukrainian airplane of the control part of a Tor-M Missile”

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    • jrapdx says:

      Yes, your translation is much more coherent, or should I say a lot less “rusty” than Google’s. Thanks for sharing it.

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    • OW21 says:

      merro – your translation makes much more sense. Thank you!

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    • Bill_M says:

      “I’m not sure though, it’s quite unlikely that the warhead would remain intact (as suggested by the photo) after impact (with a passenger plane). ”

      It is very likely that is part of the controls of the missile. The actual explosive elements of those devices is usually located further down in the body of the missile. Seekers, radar units located at the front. The author of the tweet referenced doesn’t know anything about how they are constructed.

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      • Don says:

        Yes, you are correct. I could add, these missile types also have ’Influence` fuses: Meaning they do not necessarily impact their targets directly. They get close, HE detonates, target is fragmented. This is why the ’pointy end’ is not always deformed.

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  4. CountryClassVulgarian says:

    You mean Iran is acting like…….Iran? No! How ever could that be?

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  5. daylight58 says:

    I blame this on Ayatollah Whal E. Khyoteh.

    Liked by 8 people

  6. Lovearepublican says:

    Anyone from Burisma on the plane? Asking for a friend.

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    • cali says:

      @Lovcarepublican: We have been digging into the passengers aboard after Ukraine released the passengers list and guess what?
      A plane full of ‘glow shills’ who just to happened working in nuclear/scientist/research and more. There were NO English/Canadian sounding names on that list and only about 8 Ukrainians.
      It looked like there were some ‘runners’ on this plane that were DS/rogue operators and their agents.

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  7. trump20162024 says:

    The ayatollaholes don’t know the difference between a 737 and a Tomahawk cruise missile.
    . .
    No wonder the seditionist obozo wanted them to have a path to nuclear weapons.

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  8. mcfyre2012 says:

    I wonder who was on the aircraft manifest that Iran had to assassinate?

    Liked by 7 people

    • mikeyboo says:

      Mcfyre-I think you are asking the right question.

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    • Jhn1 says:

      My opinion is nobody. Not an Oops, but an OOPS of a panicked AA operator.
      (maybe even thinking if the transponder was reading “Boeing” it must be Air Force One /sarc)
      I suspect that if there were an “Iranian and ‘former’ Iranian National” category it might exceed 150 of those 163 passengers. And 90% of the males in that category were probably Basij, and as Basij members trained in foreign operations not in the slightest a resource the IRG willingly wasted. Hmmm, an incomplete (no foreign operations listed) but…
      “the Basij which is a one-million-strong group of hired thugs that crack heads, spy on everyone and burn people out.
      The Basij has several branches. There are three main armed wings:
      •Ashoura and Al-Zahra Brigades are the security and military branch tasked with “defending the neighborhoods in case of emergencies.”
      •Imam Hossein Brigades are composed of Basij war veterans who cooperate closely with the IRGC ground forces.
      •Imam Ali Brigades deal with security threats.
      The force also has multiple branches with specialized functions. They include:
      •Basij of the Guilds [Basij-e Asnaf]
      •Labor Basij [Basij-e Karegaran]
      •Basij of the Nomads [Basij-e ‘Ashayer]
      •Public Servants’ Basij [Basij-e Edarii]
      •Pupil’s Basij [Basij-e Danesh-Amouzi]
      •Student Basij [Basij-e Daneshjouyi]
      Each specialized branch of the Basij functions as a counterweight to non-governmental organizations and the perceived threat they pose to the state. Basij of the Guilds, for example, is a counterpart to professional organizations. The Labor Basij provides a counterpart to labor organizations, unions and syndicates. And the Student Basij balances independent student organizations.”

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  9. Power Cord says:

    I AM NOT TIRED OF WINNING!!!

    Liked by 8 people

  10. Somebody's Gramma says:

    NONE of this makes sense. Everyone on high alert throughout the region. Everyone. A commercial flight takes off. WHAT???!!!!! Wouldn’t all flights in and out of Iran be grounded during a military operation such as this?? Even hours before and after?? This whole thing is very suspicious, and sad. These human beings were sacrificed by Iran for some reason we are not aware of. Someone had to be on that plane of significance to Iran. But then again, the regime is wicked to the core and think nothing of sacrificing, torturing, murdering innocent people. Truly black souls.

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    • Pale rider says:

      You say “Iran sacrificed” Do you have knowledge of that? I would turn Iran into glass but saying that Iran killed those people IMO is not a given. I know how the CIA operates how our corrupt government operates. Minus Trump I would never be surprised if all of this every single death and rocket launched is a cover for people trying to get far far away from the Ukraine investigation.
      You want to see an evil empire? look at our own government. It amazes me every day president Trump remains alive, and in office.
      Thats another issue also on why Iran is ALLOWED to bring terror, it is a cover for all kinds of corruption and murders. Does anybody believe its ‘compassion’ that drives these demonrats to try to protect Iran? Look at these people like Nancy, they are evil demonic wastes of skin and oxygen. She is fighting for death, destruction and money, has nothing to do with Irans people. Look at her district, COMPASSION ? Talk about no clothes she is the poster child for emperor with no clothes.

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    • I was wondering the same thing; why would a passenger plane take off in the midst of a missile attack anywhere near it.

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      • Admin says:

        It is very possible after Iran fired its missiles that they activated their defense systems and if the plane came across the radar, their defense systems took it as an incoming missile. Either way, Iran should have grounded ALL flights until after they fired their missiles and were sure no incoming missiles were done in response. Truth is, they suck at defense. That is why they sponsor terror.

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        • zekness says:

          ….they prefer terrorism…the aspect of it that appeals to the death cult cowardice DNA among these thugs.

          which explains the IED devil at the top of the heap, recently vaporized for his lack of opsec.

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      • Linda K. says:

        Why would anyone get on the plane?

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        • OldParatrooper says:

          If you were in Iran and anticipated a US attack against Iran, it might be a good idea to leave. Leaving by airplane is the quickest way out, but doing so at night, and in the middle of an exchange of missiles, and with the US claiming to have a 52 target list means that there is some risk that your airplane will be confused for a bomber.

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      • Austin Holdout says:

        Someone here posted a screen shot of air traffic in and out of Tehran near the time of the crash and there were maybe a dozen, so it looked like “business as usual” at the airport.

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        • Bill_M says:

          Tehran is approximately in the northern middle of the country. It is unlikely any of the missiles they launched at Iraq were anywhere near Tehran; mostly launched from well west of there. This was most likely a real OOPS. Radar and launch system on auto. I’d be interested in seeing how many aircraft transited the immediate vicinity of the shoot-down immediately before the incident. Had they just changed takeoff direction? What out-bound course were they given?

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      I heard on evening news that this flight had been delayed because of the missile attack. It was allowed to take off later, I think they said 6 hours late. Let me see if I can find some info.

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      • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

        Hmm, in a new story online it says “almost an hour late”. That’s odd. How did they know the US wouldn’t strike back and this flight would get caught up in the fray?

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    • G. Alistar says:

      I’m pretty sure that Jeff Epstein was aboard….working with John Kerry earlier that evening in Tehran.

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  11. DeWalt says:

    Can you imagine if we would have retaliated ? You would be hearing the Iranians and the Democrats 24/7 that we shot it down. Wouldn’t need proof. Just the accusation.

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  12. DB Cooper says:

    “I’m not sure though, it’s quite unlikely that the warhead would remain intact (as suggested by the photo) after impact (with a passenger plane).”

    That appears to be the guidance section in the nose. The warhead is behind that section, isn’t it ?

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    • konradwp1 says:

      Correct. Also note the burn residue indicates a recent firing.

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      • CopperTop says:

        Also note the debris. The chunks of the walks are underneath which one would expect if recently dropped there.

        The plant debris is a second matter to help aid conclusions on length of time it’s been there.

        Burn residue is as you say very recent.

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    • James W Crawford says:

      You are correct.

      Most Surface to Air missiles have a blast fragmentation warhead that generates a disc shaped shrapnel cloud that expands perpendicular from the long axis of the missile. From the perspective of the target, it is a cone shaped cloud of lethal projectiles. This type of warhead enables the installation of a nose assembly with steering system and terminal seeker in front of the warhead without disrupting the shrapnel cloud.

      When such as SAM warhead explodes, the nose assembly generally survives intact.

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  13. konradwp1 says:

    With or without the new Iranian hostages, namely the black boxes, it is clear that an Iranian surface to air missile just shot down an airliner full of rich Iranians and their children.

    All that remains to be seen is if the Iranian narrative is any more believable than Paul Krugman claiming a nasty German Sheppard stole his IP address to download all those puppy porn images …

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  14. Robert VanBrunt says:

    Wonder how many of the Canadians were named Mohammed?

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  15. Robert VanBrunt says:

    Wonder how many of the Canadians were named Mohammed?

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    • Johnny says:

      My question is why the hell are there so many so called Canadians on the flight???

      Sanctions not honored by Canadians? What are there trades? What are selling around the sanctions?

      This looks like a large group of contractors rotating out. What are they working on? Mr. Fake eyebrows needs his ass interrogated.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        Sex tourism. Desperate people, rich westerners.

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      • OW21 says:

        Johnny – Exactly! What in the heck are all those Canadians doing on board??? Very odd.

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      • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

        I just finished reading this CBC article: “https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadians-plane-crash-iran-1.5419076” https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadians-plane-crash-iran-1.5419076

        Basically, there are quite a few Iranians in Canada. 138 people on that flight were travelling to Canada. “On the 2016 census, 210,405 Canadians list Iran as their ethnic origin, but Zangiabadi pegs the number at closer to 300,000 now, a little less than one per cent of the population of Canada.” “students from Iran comprise two per cent of Canada’s international student population, numbering around 11,000 as of 2018.It also said that in 2017-2018 Iranian students were the second-fastest growing group of international students in Canada.”

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    • vfm#7634 says:

      Or the Swedes, Germans, and Britons.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      Likely a cover for US intelligence assets just like they did during the evacuation of the US hostages in 1981.

      The real question is how many of the Westerners aboard were FvEy intelligence assets.

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  16. Don McAro says:

    Hopefully, the new owner of CNN, Nick Sandman, can restore some credibility to that most biased of all “news” outlets and report the truth about this

    Liked by 8 people

    • X XYZ says:

      Clever quip, but millions are not billions.

      Mr. Sandman has no interest in owning CNN. He is virtuous, CNN has no virtue. CNN paid the undisclosed settlement to him because it’s like John D. Rockefeller handing out shiny new dimes to the working class people in his day. The corporations pay a few million, so as to keep their multi-billion empire; and so that they can and will do it again in the future. Because they have very little to lose and very much to gain. Actually, their insurance company probably paid most of the settlement.

      This sort of thing is what gives capitalism a bad name.

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  17. youme says:

    How fast was this?

    Congressional Research Service
    U.S. Killing of Qasem Soleimani: Frequently
    Asked Questions
    January 8, 2020

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46148

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  18. X XYZ says:

    FACT: Tehran’s airfield knows everything that comes and goes out of there, just as every airport, everywhere does..The Iranians might be somewhat inept, but they are not stupid.

    FACT: The commercial airliner was shot down.

    FACT: The Iranians shot down a commercial Ukrainian airliner. The weapon that was used matters not. The deed was done.

    All you Sherlocks commenting here, think about this.
    Why pick a ***Ukrainian*** commercial plane to shoot down?***
    What is the MOTIVE behind this incident? (This need not be complicated. The incentive behind most murders isn’t.)

    Carry on…

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    • OW21 says:

      Any comment, Sleepy Joe? Hunter – anything you’d care to comment on?? Barry, what about you – anything?

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      • X XYZ says:

        Those notorious figures that you name are not reading our comments here. 🙂

        All the politicians you cited with their corrupt past histories have nothing to do with the Iran’s present motive for shooting down a Ukrainian jetliner. Why would Iran care about any of those figures mentioned? What would their motive be?

        Think about the present moment, not the past. Think only about this particular plane and the country from which it originated. Also think about that country’s current favorable relationship with the USA. Also think about retribution by proxy.

        All politics has a basis in the present moment. Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. But some like it HOT.

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        • zekness says:

          the “290 reference was the cold tell…that was bold….and very very stupid too.

          but then to death cult practitioners what is the point of doing terrorism if you can’t sing about it…and do that dirty sand dance.

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    • Tom says:

      Well, if “someone” on that plane is somehow connected to the Ukraine investigation, the Dhemms could claim that the US/Trump, shot it down so as to silence them. Since we didn’t retaliate for the attack last night, watch the MSM ignore this entire event in 3,2,1 poof.

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      • sturmudgeon says:

        Tom: Nope.. Pres. Trump would NOT wish to shoot down U.’s to ‘silence’ them.. He wants the world to hear them ‘loud and clear’.

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  19. trumpmemesandreams says:

    The wreckage appears to have INWARD-directed holes through it — at least what we’ve been allowed to see. All of it peppered. Looks kind of similar to flight MH17 brought down over Ukraine via Russian SAM [BUK system], though being able to see larger sections would be nice. Still a question mark.

    The M1 TOR missile system, and recovered nosecone, could be a clue. Seems reasonable the nose [guidance] may be blown free, given that the warhead is well behind it.

    Fakel 9M330/9M331/9M332 Surface to Air Missile:
    The most significant difference in the control system is the use of nose mounted thrust vectoring jets, used to pivot the missile to the desired azimuth and pitch angle after its vertical launch. Unlike its predecessor, this missile uses the vertical cold launch technique, with a charge ejecting the round vertically from the transport and launch canister.

    The proximity fuse transmit antenna is in the missile nose, which also contains the transmitter. The fuse receiver, command link receiver and autopilot are all clustered in the centresection of the missile. The warhead is situated between the guidance section and motor. A pair of command link and beacon antennas are mounted on the tail.

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  20. Don McAro says:

    Had President Trump responded last night, He would have received full blame for this with the help of the compliant media…. This would be front page news all over the world.. Do any of you realize how few americans know that this happened?

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    • Johnny says:

      Yes you absolutely correct. The missles fired were a decoy. The prize would have to trap President Trump with the culpability for shooting down an unarmed commercial flight during a retaliation for missle attack.

      The Iranians wanted to make sure no Iraqis were killed, why?

      The answer is above.

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  21. Mr e-man says:

    11 Ukrainians? I wonder if the Ukrainian Defense Minister General Alexander Vindman was on board, in his uniform?

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  22. Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

    I see sparkles Justine has a spare eyebrow above his cakehole.
    I would like to hear from someone in the know ,if the nose of that missile could remain intact after impact with an aircraft.

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  23. Former lurker says:

    Keeping the black box, shrapnel damage to the wreckage, a nose cone of a proximity detonating anti-aircraft missile in the area.

    In my mind the only question is why the plane was shot down, not if it was.

    Didn’t one of the Mullahs over there tweet recently about those who like the number 52 better also remember 209, as in the 209 killed when the Vincennes shot down that Iranian passenger jet?
    I took it either as a threat to down a US passenger plane or perhaps simply an attempt to counter President Trump’s effective use of the number 52 when discussing his target list. Foreshadowing of a set up? Maybe.

    The Tor looks like a pretty mobile AA platform, but I would wager a lot of electronic eyes were on that area and if one went up there is a good chance that Uncle Sam knows. It’d be a pretty hard sell even if there were US missiles or aircraft in the area.

    I don’t put it past the Iranian government to murder a bunch of people to advance a goal, but I’m guessing they’d have a bunch of baloney ready to support the idea that the US somehow shot this plane down if it was planned in advance. So far the response is more “aw s**t” than “gotcha”.

    I’m favoring a scenario where Iran thought the ballistic/cruise missile strike they unleashed was going to do more damage than it did and they were expecting a healthy US response, and the men crewing the Iranian AA missiles had some fanatics watching them to make sure they didn’t beat feet when the US responded, since the future of an AA missileman doesn’t look promising if they launch during an actual US airstrike.

    Doesn’t take much to imagine the pressure they’d be under to launch if the fanatic with the “Shoot ’em if they don’t fire” order watching thought an inbound attack was coming.

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  24. Nichevo says:

    That nose cone section may be the seeker or control module and the Warhead could be behind it. No doubt a reference to Jane’s Guide to SAMs would clear that up. But the boom part is not always in the pointy end.

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  25. Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

    Yes Nan was so concerned for the innocents that she was celebrating n a swanky DC restaurant. When VP Pence called ,she told him, try her later.

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  26. E56 says:

    How hard would it be to fake that missile picture?

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  27. appraisher says:

    The new Ukrainian president should DEMAND that the Iranians turn over the black boxes, from a Ukrainian plane, that is owned by a Ukrainian company. Also, he should demand that all native remains be returned immediately, to Ukrainian soil…undisturbed.

    President Zelensky knows that all he needs to do is ask, and he will have unlimited help from our NTSB and our state-of-the-art forensic labs to determine exactly what happened. The longer these plane parts and human remains stay in Iran, the less chance the world will have to find out exactly what REALLY caused this horrific crash…{as if we don’t already know}.

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    • gymcy81 says:

      Does anyone remember the Flight 800 obsfucation in the U.S.
      (a 20 yr. +/- investigation, that still left out witness testimonies)?

      Maybe Iran wants to show that it can not be outdone by the U.S.?
      Maybe Iran took notes from the DC obfuscation, and wants to prove that it is better (in a worse, sort of way)?
      Sad.

      Maybe Iran can make an obsfucation (investigation) last even longer – as a way to protect someone’s (mis)reputation?
      Introducing a narrative is a start,
      and controlling the black box can protect a narrative …

      p.s.
      maybe that piece of metal someone found on the ground was previously in the plane’s luggage?

      p.s.t. did a lithium battery of a cell phone overheat?

      p.s.s.t. did someone turn off their airplane mode on their cell phone?

      The imaginations of possibilities are many…

      I do not know

      And, yet,
      we know that there is the whole truth,
      seeking the light of day,
      with a thirst and hunger to be shared with others (likely being kept classified, for awhile) …
      …and more than 1 person (now proverbially, muzzled) knew it, first hand, yesterday,
      Also, there is an inventory of unused weapons….now with more than likely, more than 1 set of books.

      Love thy neighbors….

      There are some very bright Persian’s and good people.

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      • appraisher says:

        While I agree that the American IC community is where the truth goes to die (and the possibility that the NTSB covered-up an errant Navy rocket regarding Flight 800), there’s NO possibility that we’ll get any truth from Iran.

        In this case, I’d put my money on good, old American science and the fact that the deep state most likely has no hand in this tragedy…it looks like this blood could be on Iran’s hands in this case.

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    • X XYZ says:

      Do you really think Iran will hand that over upon demand?

      What are the words to say “F— You” in Farsi?

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      • appraisher says:

        They most likely won’t, but denying the mourning families closure should (although, in the current upside-down defend the terrorist and forget the victim mindset…who knows?) should bring global disdain to Iran and those still willing to defend the mullahs.

        Remember, Europe is still treating Iran as a partner while president Trump is attempting to get Europe to turn their (financial) backs on Iran. If Iran becomes a big enough pariah, it will bring their economy and leadership down faster.

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    • Julian says:

      Sure, but not many Ukrainians on that plane. Only 2 Ukrainian passengers I believe I saw.

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    • X XYZ says:

      The Iranians know. The Ukrainians know. We Americans know. We all pretend that we don’t know. Welcome to the land of denial.

      Denial runs deep. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

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      • appraisher says:

        This freak show passed denial in 2012, when the muslim was re-elected for a 2nd term, while Americans were losing their homes …we’re in self-deceptive hallucination and mass delusion territory now!

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        • X XYZ says:

          2012? Beginning when? How about 2008? Remember John McCain? The “war hero”? (“Ready! Fire! AIM!”) The Liberal RINO candidate who said that we DARE not ever utter the words Barack HUSSEIN Obama?

          Now you know who wanted to be president so as to establish the Bureau of Speech Police and appoint a minister of Political Correctness.

          Those damn Conservatives! They didn’t vote for me. Screw ’em. I hate ’em all!
          And make sure that Trump is absolutely NOT allowed to attend my funeral!!! I FORBID that! After my death! I FORBID it, from the grave!

          A really sweet, nice guy, he was, that dear old John McCain. I hear that his daughter is a real beauty, too.

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          • appraisher says:

            I was referring to why anyone (dem or repub) would have voted AGAIN (2012) to have the muslim continue to destroy our economy and country…that was totally delusional.

            Luckily, we’ve finally woken up to the republican scam of picking their presidential candidates for us, then forcing us to vote for them (i.e. McStain and Mittens). God willing, we’ll have 4 more years of MAGA. Then?? Perhaps another 8 years of another Trump?…or Greg Abbott? or Rick DeSantis? or one of the Freedom Caucus? Either way, we can no longer allow the establishment (McConnell) to choose our leaders, ever again!.

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            • X XYZ says:

              “I was referring to why anyone (dem or repub) would have voted AGAIN (2012) to have the muslim continue to destroy our economy and country…that was totally delusional.”

              Easily explained. In psychology it is called habit. It physics it is called inertia. In politics it is called incumbency.

              We mostly think alike here in this conservative treehouse playground, which usually resembles an echo chamber. It is all too easy for us to think that everyone thinks the same as we do. Almost ***half of the people in this country*** do not think, because they have not been taught to think. In very recent years, students probably are now being taught NOT to think. Since they are incapable of thinking, they only know how to emote, but they can and will vote according to their emotions. Schools are intended to indoctrinate, more than educate.The end result is by design.

              Think about that…

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              • appraisher says:

                Agree completely. The last thing leftists want are critical thinkers, which explains their constant attempts to demoralize and denigrate us.

                Ill-educated, frightened simpletons are much easier to be control.

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  28. ezgoer says:

    Send them the people who investigated TWA 800. They know how to cover up a missile strike.

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  29. jeans2nd says:

    Gregory Copley, editor of Defense & Foreign Affairs, had an interesting take on this entire Iranian fiasco.

    Copley said Solemeni and the Ayatoldya had decided on a replay of the events of 1979-80 – take over the American embassy, this time in Iraq as there is no American embassy in Iran, and re-create the American shutdown of the Iranian jetliner, believing this would quiet the current demonstrations in Iran and re-kindle Iranian patriotism and the hatred toward America.

    Unfortunately for Iran, Pres Trump was predictably unpredictable, and did not react as Solemeni and the Ayatoldya expected. The Ayatoldya decided to continue with the jet shootdown after Solemeni’s death, and once again Pres Trump was predictably unpredictable and did not cooperate.

    So far, all events seem to be pointing to Copley’s being correct, especially if the piece(s?) of Iranian missile prove to also be true.

    Copley has proven to have had extremely good sources previously.

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  30. co2fan says:

    The missile was a Soviet designed Fakel 9k330, launched from a a TOR M1 system, (NATO designation SA-15 Gauntlet) . http://ausairpower.net/APA-9K331-Tor.html#mozTocId239351
    Unlike nuclear tipped ICBM, tactical missoles carry the warhead in the center body, above the engine and behind the guidance unit. these missiles do not count on a direct hit, but carry a proximity fuse radar, which detects the target when it gets within about 30 feet and dtonates the fragmentation warhead.
    A slow moving civillian aircraft at 8000 feet is a sitting duck for this 70’s era Soviet SAM.

    The warhead picture confirms it, the warhead exploding shoves the missile tip forward and it’s not surprising that it survived in one piece.

    I’m a retired tactical missile systems engineer with a 30+ year carreer behind me.

    Eve without the missile hardware evidence, the fact that all electronic emissions from the 737 stopped (transponder quit) indicates an intercept and massive destruction.

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    • ann says:

      Thanks for the rundown. Co2

      1970s. Huh, I noticed the paint on the photos above looks kinda thick , but what would I know, right .

      why am I not surprised Russian missiles are able to be fired on a NATO (US designed) platform!
      🦅🇺🇸 Ann

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    • zekness says:

      in your years of experience have you EVER observed a nose cap in such pristine non-deformed condition?

      I’m am not ruling out a missile strike….just that these images suggest this nose cap was unlikely to have been involved…

      are there explosive munitions on these type of missiles that travel sub-sonic explosively?

      because I am not aware any of that is built or even designed.

      at supersonic explosions in such small distances from the detonation….one expects to see more than just some charring…one expects to see massive deformation and ablation of materials…this thing looks like it got kicked around in some fire pit. That’s very unusual…..

      now on to another matter: when these type missile do NOT terminate to target (miss), the prox design does not permit detonation..is that not true? They do in fact, fly out ballistically and then just “thud”..slam to the ground. This looks like that scenario …

      comments?

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      • RAC says:

        Yes, I don’t doubt that this tragedy was not caused by an anti aircraft missile, I think it’s probable though that more than one would have been fired that night.

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        • RAC says:

          Sorry that wording doesn’t make sense. Should start, Yes I agree this tragedy was caused by an anti aircraft missile …….

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  31. spoogels says:

    I am sure the US has satellite evidence of a missile strike
    They had to have eyes on the scene at this time of the missile barrage

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  32. Regina says:

    I’ve been lurking here for a very long time, but have never posted a comment. I am so happy that the CTH is available for all to read the truth about everything happening in the DC Swamp. I check in many times throughout the day to read the highly informative articles and comments on this website.

    Having not read all of the comments on this subject yet, I apologize if there has already been a discussion about what I believe about the Plane Crash in Iran.

    I believe that Iran shot down the plane in anticipation of our Military retaliating by bombing Iran at the same time they were sending Missiles into Iraq. After the plane went down, I believe they were going to blame President Trump. I also believe it was Divine Intervention that caused everything to go the way it did. God is in control, and I do not believe He will let our beloved President fail.

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    • ann says:

      Welcome, Regina. You could be right, it’s odd.
      I don’t know how these weapons work,
      Maybe if the system is activated, like you say, the missiles deploy automatically.

      Or it could be a jumpy operator mistakenly fired,

      Up thread, lots of Treepers commented who understand these things.

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  33. JaimeInTexas says:

    To whom is Iran required to turn over the blackbox? At best, shared custody with Ukraine. Are there International treaties/conventions that may apply to signatories?

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  34. michael says:

    I just wonder who was on the flight? Deep state leaving? Will there be a peace deal?

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  35. Rynn69 says:

    “Iran Refuses to Hand Over Black Box From Fatal Boeing Crash Near Tehran – Nose of SAM Missile Discovered Near Crash Site.”

    Looks like Iran got their education in Quantico.

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  36. Liberty ONE says:

    Well, IF it was shot down by Iran( I’m sure it was), then where is the Soy Boy PM of Canada declaring it an Act of War on Canada since 63 Canadians perished???

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    • X XYZ says:

      Are you kidding? Trudeau is not Donald Trump. Liberals only talk tough. if they even do that much. To paraphrase TR, Trump speaks loudly, carries a big stick, and USES it.

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  37. Julian says:

    Who was on board and why so many Canadians flying to Ukraine of all places?

    Sounds like the evacuation of a bunch of spies to be honest.

    American spies often travel under Canadian passports in places like Iran because they don’t even have to fake an accent btw.

    We need to see the flight manifest.

    If this is the case it would make sense why Iran should it down and also why the West isn’t lobbying accusations.

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    • BitterC says:

      Have seen the passenger list floating around on twitter. Every single passenger has an islamic surname, save a family of 4, but they all have islamic first names.

      I would guess none of the Canadian citizens were born in Canada, tho there were some children that might have been.

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    • k4jjj says:

      Canada has a very large population of people of Ukrainian descent.

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  38. spoogels says:

    I am sure the US has satellite evidence of a missile strike
    They had to have eyes on the scene at this time of the missile barrage

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  39. JAS says:

    There were 176 innocent souls aboard that aircraft. That breaks my heart and also makes me angry.

    The remains of some of those onboard will contain evidence of the shoot down if that is how it went down. Some of the bodies will have shrapnel in them. Metallurgy analysis could take care of settling the question.

    Unfortunately I am doubtful we will ever see any of that evidence based on Iran’s refusal to hand over the data recorders.

    Prayers for the deceased and their families.

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  40. RAC says:

    The video of the burning aircraft showed it traveled quite a distance laterally as it came down. Would a randomly falling piece of missile debris from the initial explosion follow the same path as the stricken aircraft so as to end up in or near the debris field. Different size, weight, aerodynamic quality, initial speed etc.

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  41. Trent Telenko says:

    The missile guidance head in the photo is definitely that of a Tor M1 SAM.

    I’ve seen this section repeatedly from photos sent in a Ukrainian Donbas e-mail list, as the Russians use them -a lot- to down Ukrainian drones.

    The question is whether this photo Sundance found is a forgery.

    The Magic 8-ball says “Future Hazy, Ask Again Later” on that score.

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  42. Major Rage says:

    Hmm!
    Somebody hacked into Iran’s air defense detection network to give them a bogus target – or to take control of an ADA missile site? Yikes!

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  43. Zippy says:

    Paranoia will destroy ya’. So will incompetent SAM missile battery controllers.

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  44. czarowniczy says:

    Geez, whoda thought it could have been an inadvertent launch of an AAM? As for the ‘head’ of the missile surviving it’s not improbable at all. The Thor has a proximity fuse and, if I remember correctly, also has a fuse that ignites the unexpended fuel in the rocket motor so the nose is quite capable of surviving as it’s not really designed to ‘impact’ on a target.

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  45. omyword says:

    Judging by demotards responses since solomoney was sent to HE….Allah, it appears they are over reacting. In other words the reaction is out of porportion, and extermely unpatriotic. Which causes me to wonder, what nerve did we hit in taking out this terrorist. Baggydaddipants death didnt cause this much howling. Now nervous Nancy has to forego her 49er’s game because she has to protect the country from peril. 😐….. 😄😂😆😂😆🤣🙂.

    Whose and how much blood is on your hands pelosi? Americans?

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