Saturday December 7th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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117 Responses to Saturday December 7th – Open Thread

  1. Lucille says:

    The Oberg Color Film Footage of Pearl Harbor – December 7, 1941

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  2. Garrison Hall says:

    Happy Caterday, Treepers!

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  3. Garrison Hall says:

    Unos Baric is a young guitarist from Slovenia who has quickly earned my respect (such as it is) for being a remarkably gifted classical guitarist. Some people just seem to have “it” and this guy is definitely one of those people. This is not an easy piece to play well because it requires some 5 fret stretches which are a challenge for most guitarists. Unos, however, is making these 5-fret stretches with complete ease while simultaneously maintaining the requisite lyricism of this beautiful piece. Dammit. 🙂

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  4. Linda K. says:

    This is my favorite version of this song. This girl also seems to have “it” to me, although rockabilly is not something I know well. “Sliver threads and golden needles can not patch this heart of mine…” She gets it right.

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  5. Lucille says:

    Happy Caturday…


    Tomboli, Istanbul’s deceased ‘meme cat’ honoured with a statue

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/tomboli-istanbuls-deceased-meme-cat-honoured-with-a-statue/

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  6. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    God No Respecter Of Persons

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    In Romans 2:11 we read that “there is no respect of persons with God,” and these very words, with slight variations, are found many times in the Bible. How wonderful! No “big wheels” with Him! Rather, all stand on the same footing before His bar of justice.

    Do you know why the kings in Israel’s history were — and were meant to be — so rich? This was so that they might rule with true justice, beholden only to God. The rich could not bribe the king, nor could the powerful intimidate him, for he was far richer and more powerful than they. There was only one person over the king, spiritually: the prophet, who kept reminding him of the Word and the claims of God.

    Well, God is infinitely richer than all the wealthy rulers, barons and money magnates of this world put together, thus there is “no respect of persons with Him.” Also, justice is one of His divine attributes, hence it is unthinkable that He should show favoritism.

    But now a question: If God is no respecter of persons, why did He favor one nation, Israel, above all the rest and, for many centuries, bless them above all others? The answer: God made a difference to show that “there is no difference” (Rom. 3:22,23). He made an artificial difference, a dispensational difference, to show that there was no essential difference, no moral difference. He erected a “middle wall of partition” between us to show that that wall must be broken down (Eph. 2:14-16).

    And thus it is that the same God who once said to Israel:
    “Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant … Unto you first…” (Acts 3:25,26)

    — this same God now says:

    “There is no difference between the Jew and the Greek [Gentile], for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him.

    “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Rom. 10:12,13).

    https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/god-no-respecter-of-persons/

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

      Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
      23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

      Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
      15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
      16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

      Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
      26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

      Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
      13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

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    • GB Bari says:

      I am unable to explain why, but the Spoonful were my number one favorite band in the mid 60s, above even the Beatles. Looking back, I don’t think they were exceedingly exceptional, and history proved many other groups to be wildly more popular.
      But music is a very personal and individual experience. For whatever reason, these guys “did it” for me.

      My favorite songs were:
      “Do You Believe in Magic”
      “You Didn’t Have to Be So Nice”
      “Daydream”
      “Did You Ever Have to Make Up Your Mind?”
      “Younger Girl”
      and my all time favorite, “Summer in the City”

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      • Linda K. says:

        GB Bari, I love them too. I think there’s real talent their music writing and it has a real happy, hopeful, hapless energy to it as well.

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        • Linda K. says:

          I grew up in Beach Boys country. We were El Porto beach and they were next door in Manhatten Beach. Great time in Southern California growing up with summers on the beaches.

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          • Garrison Hall says:

            A friend lived a short distance away from the Wilsons in Hawthorne. The neighborhood is now utterly changed, so much so that the community culture that nurtured the Beach Boys no longer exists. A similar statement can be made about the whole of Southern California. In its place is something ugly and disgusting.

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            • Linda K. says:

              Yes, Hawthorne was a nice town. I grew up in El Segundo, a small town tucked behind LA Airport and the beac, near Hawthorne.. It was a place where everyone knew each other and we went through school together kindergarten to high school. The library, public pools and parks are all beautiful, built during the depression. Very middle class when I was there.Standard Oil has a refinery(hence El Segundo, the second) there and the airport just kept getting bigger and bigger as I grew up.
              The town is still small and the beaches are still beautiful, but LA airport is out of control Out of reach.And too congested.

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      • “music is a very personal and individual experience”
        absolutely. ❤️

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  7. Janie M. says:

    My favorite Joan Baez song (from her Diamonds and Rust CD). It has been said she wrote it with Bob Dylan in mind.

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    • WSB says:

      I so remember this. I have sung all my life, and I have the same range as Joan Baez. However, she, in this song, just speaks her mind.

      She sings this song, no doubt; however, she has the most earnest and unique, unusual tempo and delivery.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      The text at the end, where the author is demonstrating that Baez was more than an interpreter of other’s work, frosts me. It has within itself complete acceptance of the bias the author complains about.

      This is the, if you didn’t write it yourself, you are not a real artist, snobbery. Such belittling attitude that even her singing can’t be considered real work. Does anyone ever belittle opera singers that way. Shoot, opera singers don’t even control the interpretation, unless they are superstars.

      Think of all the great crooners. Does anyone really care that Frank Sinatra or any of the other great singers didn’t write the songs they sung? The song writers were elated to have these greats popularize their songs.

      There are so many talents needed for any of this. And the quantity of work needed is overwhelming. Even if somebody has all the talents themselves, the overwhelming work can deaden the talent. Trusting others with different talents, collaborating with each other, has the potential of rising far above what a primadonna can do by himself.

      Even singer-song writers, who play all the instruments and sing all the parts, arranging, recording and producing their own music, etc, etc, will have to learn to trust others at some point.

      The funny thing about all this is that the groups snobs praise usually play other peoples music too. They call it a ‘cover’. But lots of artists who write and sing even accept original new music too.

      Well, ranting has thawed me out some. Keep enjoying the beauty of all these artists in their varied splendor.

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      • boogywstew says:

        I believe every song 3 Dog Night ever did was written by someone else but I also believe 3 Dog Night’s covers were better than anyone else’s cover … song writer’s own rendition or other artist’s cover. Jimi Hendix’ cover of Bob Dylan’s “All Along the Watchtower” smokes Dylan’s all day long and twice on Caturday!

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      • GB Bari says:

        Speaking of getting respect, Otis Redding wrote and published “Respect” in 1965 but relatively few people remember or even know that.

        But Everyone knows the arrangement of that tune that Aretha Franklin sang two years later and made into her signature song.

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    • Super Elite says:

      What a sad song. Brings back my own nostalgia.

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  8. WSB says:

    This one is just precious. The melody is a bit complex, and memorable. Melodic, but changes.

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  9. WSB says:

    And this is just fun! Gypsy Kings…very early video!

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    • Janie M. says:

      Love the Gipsy Kings. Have a few of their CDs. Their style of music was similar to the music I also listened to as a teenager in NM. We would go to dance halls (late 60’s) on a Friday or Saturday night, in a small town, where the band would perform rock songs in English and some Hispanic songs. Best of both worlds.

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  10. Dora says:

    Happy Caturday

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  11. WSB says:

    Here is another one to contemplate…Gilbert O’Sullivan. Takes one back, so slap me!

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  12. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.”
    Psalms 119:2 (KJV)

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  13. Janie M. says:

    Happy Caturday… what an adorable face! 😍

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  14. Dora says:

    Remember Pearl Harbor!

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  16. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  17. Dora says:

    Fans of Joan Baez and Bob Dylan might also remember Phil Ochs. He was one of my favorites at the time.

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  18. just stevie says:

    REPENTANCE

    “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation.” 2 Cor. vii. 10

    Conviction of sin is best portrayed in the words…
    “My sins, my sins, my Saviour,
    How sad on Thee they fall.”

    Conviction of sin is one of the rarest things that ever strikes a man. It is the threshold of an understanding of God. Jesus Christ said that when the Holy Spirit came He would convict of sin, and when the Holy Spirit rouses a man’s conscience and brings him into the presence of God, it is not his relationship with men that bothers him, but his relationship with God – “against Thee, Thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in Thy sight.” The marvels of conviction of sin, forgiveness, and holiness are so interwoven that it is only the forgiven man who is the holy man, he proves he is forgiven by being the opposite to what he was, by God’s grace. Repentance always brings a man to this point: I have sinned. The surest sign that God is at work is when a man says that and means it. Anything less than this is remorse for having made blunders, the reflex action of disgust at himself.

    The entrance into the Kingdom is through the panging pains of repentance crashing into a man’s respectable goodness; then the Holy Ghost, Who produces these agonies, begins the formation of the Son of God in the life. The new life will manifest itself in conscious repentance and unconscious holiness, never the other way about. The bedrock of Christianity is repentance. Strictly speaking, a man cannot repent when he chooses; repentance is a gift of God. The old Puritans used to pray for “the gift of tears.” If ever you cease to know the virtue of repentance, you are in darkness. Examine yourself and see if you have forgotten how to be sorry.

    Oswald Chambers
    December 7th Devotional

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    • mandy says:

      “The bedrock of Christianity is repentance.”

      Yes!

      The first words of John the Baptist’s ministry were what? “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” (Matthew 3:2)

      Christ Himself began His ministry saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 4:17)

      Peter, when asked “what shall we do” responds, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 2: 38)

      The OT prophets who prayed for God’s mercy use verbiage that takes their people’s sins upon themselves. They include themselves. They say, “WE have sinned.”

      Recall Psalm 51…”A broken and humbled heart God will not despise.”

      In my travels around the ‘net, I see a LOT of prayers to God, asking Him to do this or do that for someone or for the country – but it is RARE RARE RARE to see one of these prayers that includes a reference to repentance.

      Is our failure to acknowledge our sins an example of a humbled heart? Or, is that *arrogance?*

      Now back to the Chambers piece: “If ever you cease to know the virtue of repentance, you are in darkness.”

      YES, YES, YES!

      Thank you, Stevie, for posting this!

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  19. On this Day that will live in Infamy, all of you are not forgotten – those who died, and those who survived. And likewise your brothers and sisters in arms, from then to the present day. We honor your service and your sacrifice.

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  20. Dave says:

    Today was the beginning of the greatest generations ultimate challenge. And they succeeded. Which was astonishing yet inevitable. We owe a debt that cannot be repaid but should never be forgot. God Bless America and those that gave everything to keep it.

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  21. Pale rider says:

    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/ilhan-omar-hypnotizes-catholic-church/
    New religion of the left and it is a perfect fit. After the lies of Pelosi at her last press debacle id say “press on Democrats and Catholics alike”. Muslims are a precursor for evil enthroned.
    We have the Catholics leaving Christ and dictating to the world some bastardized sense of morals. “bible? we don’t need no stinking bible”
    We have ‘the beast’ of a media dictating policy by public stupidity and blinded by hate (see how that works? Hate is a weapon of the enemy to get our agreement on his issues) threatening anyone who would break ranks.

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    • Rudy says:

      It would be the greatest irony in history if islam becomes dominant and creates a world wide theocracy (caliphate, according to them I suppose) which enslaves our anti-Christian Democrat ‘friends’ with a harsh religious servitude, those allowed to live. They have much in common, in spite of ‘Godlessness’ on the Left’s part, but an Islamic theocracy would never ever allow them to act up like the ‘oppressive’ Christians have. The globalists would probably not like it much either, although they seem to think they can use and discard Islam. Might just be a fatal grabbing of the tiger’s tail, there.
      Talk about being hoist on your very own flagpole. They would deserve it, the trouble is no one else would.
      Like in the Heinlein story ‘Revolt in 2100’, it would be a long time before it was overthrown.

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  22. Bendix says:

    Here is my lament. I bought women’s winter boots online.
    This particular pair cost 59 bucks, 41.30 ‘with offer’. Anybody who shops at Macy’s knows all about their silly regular prices, and their annoying sale prices that change from day to day.

    The reason I shop at Macy’s at all, is that they are one of the few stores which offers petite sizes in some things, and also has a nearby store so I don’t get gouged paying for shipping for something I can’t wear and need to return.

    This boot has reviews, one says fits exactly in her size, one says go down a size or 1/2 if you want to wear thicker socks. One says she wears a half size, got the next whole size up and they fit perfect with heavier socks.
    These can’t all be true.

    Myself, I ordered the whole size my foot measures. I sometimes can wear a half size smaller in sneakers. The whole size in these boots is much too big. They don’t come in half sizes (why not?), so I need to go down to a size I have never worn in my life to see if perhaps they fit.
    Such is the joy of online shopping. Had I ordered both sizes at the same time, I would still be left with the inconvenience of taking one or both pairs back.

    These boots, and many boots, I notice, make the heel area too wide. If the boots are too big all over, you can go down a size, but if going down a size makes the boot tighter in the front, that is not an option.

    Yes, these boots are made in China. Is 59 dollars considered cheap? Also, when they moved manufacturing to China, they threw away all notions of sizing and fit. Boots should be somewhat narrower in the heel, whether you are man or woman.

    Also, the petite pants I have purchased in the same brand and size before, this time around are too long. I didn’t get any taller.

    One more gripe. The most important part of the petite fit is in the shoulder/armhole area. Petite is a proportion, not a size. Since they took their petite section away in the coats, I order coats online, try them on, see that once again I have been sold not a petite coat, but a somewhat altered regular size coat.
    A regular size coats with a much shorter hemline fits terribly.
    The whole clothing industry is pretending not to be aware of this. This kind of tailoring/fit knowledge has been around for, at minimum, well over half a century.
    One of the catalogs even has that information in their sizing guide.
    It is still available on the internet.
    The reason I don’t use the catalog that professes to have a true petite fit exclusively, is because they too have their clothing manufactured overseas, in various 3rd world hellholes, and the clothing may turn out to be nothing like it is described and pictured. I would be paying to try junky clothes on.

    I read just a week or so ago, another assertion, on a so-called conservative website, that American consumers have benefitted from cheap Chinese imports.
    Precisely what cheap imports was the writer talking about?
    Unless you shop at Walmart, and they don’t offer that much from China in their clothing department anymore, the clothing has gone up in price, if it ever was any cheaper, and it has gone down in quality.
    So what else? Name one “cheap” product from China that benefitted anyone.

    Okay, that was two rants in one.
    They keep saying malls are dying because women don’t want to shop in stores. That’s simply not true. The anchor stores keep closing for reasons that have nothing to do with the online shopping.
    Even young men want to go shop for their clothing in a store.

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    • Debra says:

      I simply cannot order shoes on-line and expect them to fit. These manufacturers must have never come across a high arch.

      My issue with clothes shopping is literally pawing through so much crap to eventually have the maximum amount of garments to warrant a visit to the changing parlor, only to discover that what I thought was a possibility, was so ill-fitting, I can’t get them off fast enough.

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    • GB Bari says:

      As a 6 ft large man with broad shoulders, I can attest to the fact that the sizing of men’s clothing offers no relief from the frustrations about which you have written. Both my wife and I have noted that clothing “sizes” versus their actual dimensions have increasingly shrunken over the past several decades. Even More so over the past 5 years.

      Asian garment manufacturers have apparently either sought to use less fabric which is absurd since buyers are forced to order larger sizes, or else the interpretation of size patterns has changed as manufacturing moves into different countries.

      Either way, when I can still fit loosely into a 20 year old size 3x button down shirt but have to order a 5x today to get the same fit at the shoulders, something is desperately wrong with sizing.

      Men’s shoes have shrunken by about one and a half sizes. I have 25 year old leather oxfords size 12D that aren’t much worn but still fit. Tried to replace them but found I had to go up to a 14EEE to get the same fit. WTH? Yes leather can relax and stretch over time but not the foundational soles. And those old 12D oxfords are very heavy leather which does not stretch much and never fit tightly anyway.

      Bring the garment industry back to America where Americans sizes and dimensions are understood and respected.
      Plus, either learn to sew and how to adjust clothing or find a good local tailor and tip them often!

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    • Bendix: Agree with everything you’ve said here and could add extensively to your “lament”. It is soo hard to find good quality clothes anywhere. Shopping for clothes online is terrible. I don’t want garbage from China, that doesn’t fit and is made from poor fabric. Also, forget linings and interfacing, actual proper fit! Remember the joy of 8 story department stores, like Filene’s, Jordan Marsh, Etc. Wonderful clothes, in-house alterations, Tearoom with a pianist playing classical music.
      Our lives have been so negatively impacted by all the unassimilated and the ignorant and the malevolent. “My lament”, Part of it.
      I could go on about ugly music and ugly “architecture”, in addition to ugly clothing.
      Destruction of our culture.

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  23. boogywstew says:

    Woody Allen interviewing William F. Buckley in a time when decorum and decency still reigned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNErWi_lTig

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  24. Dora says:

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  25. Lucille says:

    Caturday is forever….

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  26. mandy says:

    Just saw that TEN Saudis are being held on base in Pensacola but “several others” remain UNACCOUNTED FOR.

    Be careful out there, folks.

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  27. Super Elite says:

    I love Caterday.

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  28. Sepp says:

    To Ponder

    Let me ponder on the wondrous creation of the world (Genesis 1):

    1. How God brought all the cattle, birds and wild beasts before Adam, to see how he would name them.

    2. How Adam named every living thing, both cattle and birds and beasts.

    From “The Prologue from Ohrid” by Saint Nikolai (Serbian-born Bishop who reposed in the USA and was a former prisoner at Dachau) for today – November 24th – on the traditional Calendar of the Orthodox Christian Church.

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  29. NoTwoSystemsOnlyOneChiCom says:

    Here comes Evelyn Farkas, ‘Rat candidate from NY. Another big-mouth, big-eyed loon for Congress. Tell us more!
    http://hungarianfreepress.com/2019/12/07/evelyn-farkas-hungarian-speaking-russian-expert-is-running-for-congress/

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  30. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  31. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Gen. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  32. VandalizeDuhMastuhsAlgorithms says:

    Just throwing out this text conversation I had a couple of days ago with an survey operation connected with “Pro-choice” sympathizers…

    Personal Names have been redacted to protect personal identities.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:18pm
    Hi XXXXXX, I’m XXXXXX with Take Action Wisconsin. We’re reaching out to voters individually to ask 3 questions about abortion. It’s an issue people have strong feelings about, and your personal perspective matters to us. Do you support access to safe, legal abortion?

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:23pm
    Me:Only when mothers life is in critical danger

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:24pm
    Surveyor:Thanks for sharing that. Before I continue, may I just confirm: have I reached XXXXX?

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:25pm
    Me:Abortion is never safe for the baby

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:26pm
    Surveyor :I understand and respect your opinion. However to continue I need to know reached XXXXX?

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:28pm
    Me:Can i call u? Cuz i tried this number and wasnt able to connect.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:29pm
    Surveyor:Unfortunately no. The program I’m on only allows texting. I’d love to hear back from you though.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:34pm
    Me:Um, XXXXX is available via this number. But these are deeply personal and important. Id like to go into more detail. But this is too impersonal too share any other info.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:36pm
    Surveyor:I totally understand and respect your right to privacy. Just would love to know if this is a wrong number.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:39pm
    Me:This is not a wrong number… May i ask what organization is asking for this info and is there a website they operate?

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:43pm
    Surveyor: Take Action Wisconsin is a program of #VOTEPROCHOICE, a prochoice national organizing project of Democrats.com, not affiliated with the
    party itself.

    This is an effort to learn more about what views people have on abortion because it’s an issue we don’t talk with one another about very often.

    We are not trying to change mind–only learn more about what matters to voters. You can learn
    more about #VOTEPROCHOICE here: https://www.voteprochoice.us/ I hope this helps.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:49pm
    Me:Thank you. I believe honest and heartfelt conversations would help in a lot of ways and for a lot of topics. Even if the outcome is a respectful agree to passionately disagree.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:50pm
    Me:I will likely reach out to them.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:52pm
    Surveyor: I agree. We have to get back to listening and respecting the view of others. Thanks for chatting with me. Would you like to participate in
    the remainder of this survey so that your pro-life views are registered?

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:53pm
    Me:Yes and thank u for asking and listening

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 3:54pm
    Surveyor: Perfect. Thanks so much. Can I ask, XXXXX – even though you don’t support it, are there any circumstances where you would want a person to have access to abortion?

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 4:03pm
    Me:The life and wellbeing of the baby is as important as for the mother.

    Such a heart-rending circumstance really is not able to be asked apart from those directly involved.

    In a small way thats like asking if wounded soldiers should have access to amputation services.

    Dec 05 19 4:23pm
    Surveyor:Hey XXXXX . I not ignoring you. I just got sidetracked and will need some time to reply. Thanks for your patience.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 4:32pm
    Me:Understand. Busy here too. But please know i am a veteran and i have two nearly grown children.
    I am not known or have awards for bravery. Yet
    from the moment the lives of my children would be part of mine, deep down i hoped i would be able to take bullet for them in order they could go on living.
    Not yet tested in that way.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 4:43pm
    Surveyor: I’m back and thanks again for your patience and passion. I, too, have grown children–three, in fact. And I hear you. I think we take “bullets” every day.

    Just today, my talented daughter said her job was cut so XXX and I now need to figure out how to squeeze money out of our budget to help! Love them all and will do everything I can to make their lives easier.

    Just one last question: How important is a candidate’s stance on abortion when you choose who to vote for? (Although I think I already know:)

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 4:55pm
    Me:Pretty much one of main things i look for. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Great human freedoms we Americans fought a war and gave up lives so others could live free.

    To me hard to separate public office from these freedoms for all, no matter how small.

    my priviledge to share this with another parent. Thank you with many more blessings to you and your family this Christmas season.

    Sent:Thu, Dec 05 19 4:57pm
    Surveyor: Thank you again for taking the time to connect with me. I really appreciate it, and I hope you have a wonderful day and a very merry Christmas to you and your family!

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    End of conversation.

    My final comment on this is that it started out as an easy-peezy, casual discussion one could have amongst “beach friends”.

    I only hope by the end, I made some helpful points.

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