HPSCI Ranking Member Devin Nunes questioned NSC official Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman about whether he had shared the contents of the phone call between President Trump and Ukraine President Zelensky with anyone outside the White House.
In responding Vindman stated “two people”, and then named State Dept George Kent, and a person from the intelligence community. Then things get interesting. Vindman refused to name the intelligence agency because it would likely expose the CIA “whistle-blower”.
This non-answer makes Alexander Vindman the source for the CIA “whistleblower” Eric Ciaramella.
Can you imagine the response from a democrat Senator to Vindman if he had corrected one of them about his rank? Remember Barbara Boxer’s response to a flag officer for responding to her as “yes, ma’am.”. Don’t be mistaken, democrats despise the uniformed services, all of them; it just so happens that Vindman is a willing accomplice.
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I heard that Vindman and Epstein were best friends, maybe an investigation would be in order.
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I heard they were more than friends, and that Epstein didn’t kill himself.
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Deep state colonel doughboy needs 20 hers in Leavenworth
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And remedial PT.
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No doubt – every damn day until he meets height & weight standards!
There are very few things more disgusting to look at than a fat, flaccid, weakling slob in a dress uniform. Or duty uniform for that matter.
Either way, a fat slob soldier or a fat slob law enforcement officer; their appearance diminishes their authority in the eyes of the public, and it also reflects negatively upon their unit/agency/department whatever the case.
The standards have fallen through the damn floor since 2008, and while every effort is being made to reconcile the problem, it is going to take quite a while to get rid of Ol’ Sparklefarts’ gay-affirmative action-lgtbwxyz-trans-whatever the hell service members, promoted to fill spaces made available after purging the Armed Forces of their best and brightest.
The situation with the Joint Chiefs right now is something I never thought even possible, much less an actuality. However, I do need to make one point very clear:
NO WAY – NO HOW – WILL THE RANK & FILE ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES CORPS SUPPORT A COUP AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP……IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!!
ANY commanding or senior officer that attempted such an action would be handled both appropriately and very quickly, with high velocity and low opinion.
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You are absolutely spot on, every vet I know is watching all this unfold, we will support & defend the constitution no matter what
Danang66
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I wonder what it would be like if a million veterans went to D.C.one weekend?
Gathered peacefully and at one point they said the pledge of allegiance as one.
Then peacefully left D.C. and went back home promising to come back should they be needed.
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Google the bonus army
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Parker, I have long thought this a grand idea. Walk softly, but carry a BIG address to the nation, as one.
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A well regulated militia is required to exist in our fair land. I believe it is overdue that we show Washington what we’re made of. I want to make a YUGE statement, a fearsome statement, by that militia. Dems would pith their panths.
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Old Sparklefarts! WHO is that? You are hilarious!
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Ol’ Sparklefarts is referring to our first half-black president, who has a propensity for older white males, and hung out regularly at Man’s Country on Halstead street in Chicago.
Envision if you can, sparklers, fog/mist, little tiny stars popping out of his presidential posterior whenever he flatulates…..all his little fairie friends would be in awe of The Lightbringer.
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If you have not seen Clint Lorance’s interview with Fox & Friends, it’s worth a view on Youtube. Lorance was one of the young men who were pardoned of war crimes by President Trump. He gave a very good explanation as to what happens to persons in the military once they are promoted to a political position. Below is the link. His explanation begins around minute 4:45, but the interview is well worth listening to the whole thing. The link is still active as of the evening of 11/19/2019.
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Great interview! Thank you so much for posting it. I have sent it on to many.
My son-in-law leaves 1st week of December for overseas deployment. Thank God for President Trump.
Tears of gratitude for our President and young men willing to put all on the line for our country.
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You are a far more forgiving person than I am……active duty soldier, regardless of rank or accomplishment, both intentionally disobeying the direct orders of the CiC for the sole purpose of altering our nation’s foreign policy to protect and/or support his corrupt superiors, AND —
Actively participating in a plot to overthrow the government, by conspiring to remove our duly-elected, sitting president from office…….
No, the only consideration I would give Ltc. Vindman for his service as a combat veteran, would be a cigarette and a blindfold. And tell him he’s lucky he’s not going to the gallows for the rope.
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Vindman, a Ukranian Jew, is from West Point.
What are Pershing, Patton, Bradley, Eisenhower … thinking about the “new” West Point of girls, gays, trannies and foreign Interlopers ?
Vindman belongs next to crazy Bernie
behind the counter at a Brooklyn kosher delicatessen.
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And Commies. Remember Spenser Rapone? He didn’t develop his extreme views in a vacuum. He had hundreds of active duty friends on his social media, where he was basically a commie activist, and yet he still graduated.
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While the long gray line is probably weeping for what USMA has become, Vindman is not a product of West Point, Vindman went SUNY Binghamton, commissioned through ROTC.
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And the West Point coc knew about that puke.. they did NOTHING!!!
They are either communists themselves or they are sympathizers
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I remember him. He was the one who attended with a teeshirt printed with the word “Communist” on the front of it under his shirt. But he liked to flash the teeshirt at chosen moments and he got away with it.
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Let’s not forget the oath we all took….’to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..’
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Absodamnlutely…..and there’s literally millions of us.
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The 19 million vets in the US who may actually believe their oath is still valid.
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“… cigarette and a blind fold….” Love it.
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Perfectly said…thank you…
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Perfectly said…thank you…
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I prefer, Useful Idiot.
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Vindman should be Court Martialed for insubordination, he swore an oath to the Constitution and the President; unfortunately, there many offers of his kind in the military.
SCPO Retired.
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I would prefer the fat bastard be court-martialed for Sedition, and then taken out back and shot.
Period. Full stop.
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Following a lengthy Article 15…
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I remember it well:
Reminds me of this:
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The way these “witnesses” act under questioning reveals what they think of the Constitution, the executive branch, the American voter, and that they spend too much time over at the CFR.
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This morning’s testimony is like a scene right out of “A Few Good Men” —
“I would remind you that you are now questioning a[n Army] officer with an impeccable service record.”
“I would appreciate it if you would address me as ‘[Lt.] Colonel’ or ‘Sir.’ I believe I’ve earned it.”
“[Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman] and [Jennifer Williams], what exactly were these guys going to testify to?”
“Unless I’m mistaken, they were both going to testify under oath that they had absolutely no recollection of anything.”
[sarcastically] “Strong witnesses.”
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The American voter? You mean the smelly Walmart people?
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I would rather be there than Whole Foods!!!
🙂
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PDJT…should ask for Vindman to resign….or fire him after the witch hunt is over. Today, take him out of the intelligence business, give him a job as a gate guard.
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Heavens! What would “the interagency” think?!
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I think he should clean latrines on Diego Garcia
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Dodge is good duty – it’s like Club Med – Adak Alaska for him!
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KP or janitorial would be more fitting. End result, the schlub would retire, more likely, and good riddance. Maybe he would take up that offer of Ukrainian MoD
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My former employer had a subsidiary in Japan that had an interesting approach to dealing with weasels like Vindman. Their phrase for it was “give them a window seat.” They’d put them at a desk with no phone and, no responsibilities. And just leave them. That’s what I’d do for this guy, unless they’re planning on have him swing at the end of a rope but I don’t see that happening.
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Intriguing
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I had a friend, retired E9, Strategic Air Command, said they had a bird colonel who screwed up. Put him at a desk in the middle of an empty hanger.
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I worked for Lockheed Martin on NASA contracts. You would be surprised how many sit at desks with nothing to do. Some will spend their days going to meetings. Some will spend their days creating databases that no one will ever use. So many take home paychecks for accomplishing absolutely nothing.
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Vindman just perjured himself. In earlier testimony he claimed he didn’t know who the whistleblower was.
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Given that Vindman is believed to be the leaker to the MSM, he’s perjured himself repeatedly.
One strongly suspects that he also tells twin brother everything. The leak path may be Vindman to twin to MSM.
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That would make sense, his brother is a lawyer so that would mean Vindman could use attorney-client privilege to cover his trail.
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“First, kill all the lawyers.” Not my idea – William Shakespeare’s.
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Yea….. its been around a while!
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Another question: how on earth did a pair of identical twin brothers get posted at the WHNSC AT THE SAME TIME? Big no-no… These people are long term plants.
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To repeat what I said on the other post, Why is it that Obama was able to fire top brass and officers, and actually reshape the military to his liking, a la Vindman, but our POTUS ‘isn’t allowed’???! By whom? Do they have an explanation for that one? He is insubordinate and a rogue agent, period! He should be court marshaled.
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Kaco,
He also just revealed he ain’t very bright, either.
I know lots of smart soldiers, this guys not one of them.
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A fact that condemns and belittle’s how the military advances their brass to higher ranks.
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Kaco: with all due respect (because it’s a common misnomer), I think it would be more effective if he were tried in Court Martial. I doubt anyone knows where to find a Court Marshal. 😀
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Sorry!, thanks for the correction!
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Because of the “sensitivity of the matter” Kaco
Any actions the President may take will be considered “obstruction” by the democrats and the fake media. With any and every response to defend himself, the democrats and the fake news will shriek in tandem that the President is interfering in and obstructing justice
They set it up that way
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So? The president is still the president and has the constitution behind him. I’ve long been convinced that the president is being poorly advised by his inner circle. Maybe not all of it but some, apparently influential enough.
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I agree swiss, but although I’m sure he has plenty of secret never-Trumpers advising him, I think he’s waiting it out until the proper time to strike back, a time when any obstruction BS will be null and void. At least I hope that’s the case
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Agree. ..Trump needs to stop putting people around him that “SOMEONE” says to…you can look at some people n tell their not who they appear to be…I voted for TRUMP …but wishes when he talks to press he would answer the question short n sweet WITHOUT repeating it over n over…he’s not that good with the press…answer the question don’t give those MEDIA TURDS any more than they deserve….
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Yes, I know but it’s totally bogus, he has the authority and now there is documentation and testimony. An explanation statement but he better go down. Remember Barr’s speech. It can’t be just a big whine, it’s time they DO something about the power of the Executive! And one of the last parts was horrifying, how we can’t hold foreign terrorists and enemies we are fighting in another country without their “rights” and now they have to go to court for justification? WTH?!!!
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I find it amusing and enlightening that PDJT does not miss a chance to refer to the wicked witch of the West (Pelosi) as being incompetent and corrupt. I can’t help imagining what her reaction might be when she hears those well-deserved epithets, and hope they make her blood boil.
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Yes, and I did find out that you cannot contact the Joint Chiefs other than by snail mail. WTF? It’s 2019 I was going to ask why he has not been court marshaled.
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Yes…it is called a RAT lackey media with “leg tingles” for the “cool black guy”.
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Bring General Flynn back in, to clean up the military’s brass house and take out the filthy, seditionist trash. Pardon him first, of course. God bless General Flynn and thank you, Lord for Sydney.
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But would he ever be confirmed again? I know he SHOULD but will they?
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There need to be charges after this clown show is brought to a conclusion. Vindman needs some prison time.
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The conclusion is our president is impeached and he is forced out of office. Who do you imagine will put vindman in prison? I do not get the feeling most ppl understand the uniparty is gonna win this thing, then we shall see what happens. Like when Kennedy was murdered by these same agencies, we will spout off a little and get on with our lives. Really sad.
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what color is the sky in this world you live in ? or can you not see it due to all the black helicopters overhead ?
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Did you see Sundance’s post last night about the letter that Senator Ron Johnson wrote to Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan. Senator Johnson declares that there has been an effort to effect a coup of the duly elected President since day one.
The Senate won’t vote to sustain the impeachment that Adam Schi(ff)(t) and San Fran Nan are driving toward. In fact, there are signs that the Dems are having serious misgivings about their impeachment circus.
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Good heavens! In all the circus swirling around us, I didn’t stop to think: SENATOR Ron Johnson! ONE that the President and his allies (us) can absolutely count on in the Senate? ONE who has finally gone out on a limb to protect our President’s constitutional rights and authority? Be still my heart. Finally!
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The significance of Senator Johnson writing his letter is that the Ukraine is HIS assignment. He isn’t just SOME senator. He is deeply informed on the Ukraine. Senate Republicans MUST listen to their colleague over the testimony of Schiff’s witnesses who are stumbling all over themselves and cannot find any evidence of any wrongdoing in Trump’s call.
I guess you’ve missed, too, Senator Rand Paul’s vigorous defense of President Trump. The significance of Senator Paul’s vigorous defense is that he is a Republican who frequently votes against President Trump on policy.
You really must read all the way through Senator Johnson’s letter before you dismiss my comment. Apparently you have not!
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stringplayer55
Thank you for jogging my memory. I read that when Sundance posted it but it is more meaningful for me after Vindman’s testimony today. I will re read the post tomorrow in the am.
To be truthful, I am not sleeping much because I am trying to keep up with CTH posts and Schiff’s shenanigans .
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Damn, Doug…….why don’t you fly down to Key West, get some sun, suck down some cold beer, do some fishing, maybe get out in the sand and surf, but most importantly — chill out and relax, Brah?
The Uniparty is not going to win this one. The Silent Majority has awakened and we FINALLY have a true American Patriot in office as our President……and WE’RE not going to let the America haters remove him either.
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Loss of pension and drummed out of the military would be the least.
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How about putting him in charge of a rock quarry? He can leave the quarry only after he has chiseled out 1000 rocks and piled them into a pyramid (BTW, the rock only counts if it weighs a minimum of 25 pounds). If, for any reason, he leaves prior to completion of his task, he is taken to Leavenworth for life. If he completes his assignment, he is to be introduced to his new recruits under his command—all 1000 of them!
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This guy looks like the last kid picked for every activity in elementary school gym class.
LT COL? I’d take away his T and C and just refer to him as LOL.
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He also reminds me of the kid who volunteers at the fire dept. and starts fires so he can ride on the fire truck. What a weenie.
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Yes, and the kid in elementary school who would tell the teacher what kids were talking when he/she was out of the room and who was running in the hall between class.
Don’t all military personnel have to take an annual physical agility test? He looks like the Pillsbury dough boy.
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Vindman was the kid in school who VOLUNTEERED to be room and/or hall monitor. Nobody liked that kid.
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like a kapo
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His insignia is infantry. Yet he claims fear of Twitter.
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Have to admit that was my first thought!
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They have enough evidence now to revoke his security clearance.
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They have enough to Court Martial, LC Doughboy, or is that LC Perogy?
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Pondering why a career, field grade military officer would risk his career by by circumventing the COC’s instructions and why the DOD would take no action to rein him in, I have to wonder if Vindman might be a member of a “protected” group, or maybe two.
He has the look of many I have seen who are attracted to boys.
He does not have the look or the demeanor of the infantry officers that I have known and getting a purple heart only means you got wounded, you could be asleep in a drunken stupor when it happened.
Maybe his issue with the COC is because of gender preference issues and the DOD doesn’t want to open a can of worms with a discrimination fiasco (which would create another MSM topic). Wikipedia just says he’s married, doesn’t say to what gender.
Looking at his personal history, I have trouble believing that he got promoted to where he is based only on speaking a foreign language.
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Vindman belongs to a certain clique that for generations is very happy to destroy themselves as long as they are destroying YOU!
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OK, so a kid from USSR ends up in America. He decides to get into the military for whatever reason – pay for college, see the world, etc.
Along the line, someone learns that he knows Russian and Ukraine languages, and is maybe familiar with his motherland. So, they bring him in from the rifle range and start getting him in some linguistic stuff, and then maybe some lower level intelligence stuff.
In the meantime, we have our mix of legislators, state dept, and military advisers working to do the funny money thing in Ukraine. Someone figures out whether this guy is willing to play along with the “noble,” or “moral” democrats or uniparty. Is he a fellow traveler. He says, “sure.”
And he starts riding up the ladder. Eventually, he is playing something of a pretty big role in all of this Ukraine stuff – including some of the funny money stuff.
Then, the need arises to Get Trump. Some inquiries are informally made, and this guy responds well, and so they have the guy to spill the beans to kick off Mission Whistleblower. Before it happens, he knows he may be in front of a congressional panel and or impeachment panel, and he understands this.
In short, the guy’s Ukraine background and political sentiments make him ideal to play along with the coup.
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Do not forget his 2 brothers.
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The non-twin elder brother is in finance and lives… in RUSSIA. Has for years. Married to a Russian woman. Honestly, Vindman is a massive security risk, and has proven so over and over. BTW, his boasting re 3 x offers to be Ukraine’s Defense Minister. Says he told his boss (which one? Military or NSC?) BUT, any approaches by a foreign gov’t are to be made to the SECURITY OFFICER. Bet he didn’t do so. He should have been pulled at the first approach from the WHNSC post as he became a ‘target’ of a foreign government.
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Vindman claimed he told the counterintelligence officers. Which ones? No one asked.
You would think someone, anyone, would be interested. but, no.
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Captain Nidal Hassan killed 15 Army personnel and the Army pomoted him to Major and now they allow him to publish a magazine on death row. So it looks good for Vindmans career in today’s Army..
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In a city where LOYALTY comes emblazoned on the side of a windsock…
I wonder how many career bureaucrats (civilian and military) are only deep staters for pragmatic reasons. Or how many only lately came to realize that their jobs–and their children’s education and their retirement dreams–depended on turning a blind eye to things they conscientiously oppose?
If Trump comes out on top in this impeachment scheme, if Barr applies justice to those who feel above the law, and if bureaucrats finally feel safe to tell the truth… it’s gonna be a watershed event!
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He is a perfect blackmail witness, I mean victim.
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I agree that there may be more yo this then we yet know. His testimony is incriminating, brash, arrogant, and indifferent. Past abuses of POTUS were protected based on a “Counter intelligence “investigation”.
Is there another 3 letter “investigation” going on that they will use to protect the coup plotters.? How deep is the DEEP State?
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To China
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Not to denigrate his Purple Heart (though we know about Jean Fraud’s fakery in that department), Vindman went to Iraq in September 2004, was wounded by an IED in October, and served there for the rest of his year-long tour, leaving in September 2005.
Serious wound?
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He indicated he was back to war the same day; he also said he wasn’t as badly injured as some who were with him.
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Will we get to hear Morrison explain how Vindman used someone else’s secured computer without their permission or knowledge?
Did Vindman lie and commit perjury this morning when he stated he never used anybody else’s top secret access computer?
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In the real world; “Yes”. In the corrupt world; “No”.
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He testified that he’s never accessed the secured computer of another without their knowledge or authorization.
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Mary, the key point you make is “without their knowledge or authorization”.
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I didn’t know you could authorize anyone to use your classified secured computer that required you to have a clearance to use it.
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Mr Vindman and no im not going to refer to you asLieutenant Colonel since you have no respect for the Commander In Chief….your ultimate boss.
Mr Vindman do you know Eric?
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How many wise ass leftist in the Media and within Government refer to President Trump as Mr. Trump. This pompous fool has a very high opinion of himself but he seems to be more like a Pillsbury doughboy rather than a brave Purple Heart recipient. Only in O’s military would a guy like this reach the rank of LT. Col. Dems never had a hard time shaming military men of the past…North, Patraeus, Flynn come to mind… Dems never cared about their years of service,
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Mr. Vindman is Major Burns; Ms. Wiiliams is Hot Lips before that character became woke (when that show was good).
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Vindman is Burns in the episode where BJ fills the foxhole with water and gets Sidney Freedman to shout “air raid, air raid”.
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I remember that episode.
You are of course referring to the TV show.
The Frank Burns of the movie had quite a different personality.
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Vindman makes Burns look heroic.
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Question: in vindmans opening testimony, he says that when zelinsky won a parlimentary election, trump was encouraged by the nsc to congratulate him. Was this a setup by the nsc?
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Yes. The NSC set it up. It’s possibly WHY Vindman did the summary of the call on 4/21/2019 and added in words that were not spoken to reinforce “the U.S. means business.” And if the July 25 transcript hadn’t been on another server he only had “read access” to, it’s possible he might have amended that transcript on his own. Nobody asked him what other transcripts he had summarized/changed, as far as I know.
I guess if you’re in “charge of Ukraine policy” as he stated in his opening statement, you have the final say over the President’s words.
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Question: in vindmans opening testimony, he says that when zelinsky won a parlimentary election, trump was encouraged by the nsc to congratulate him. Was this a setup by the nsc?
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They probably encouraged the call so they could manipulate his words after the fact to create quid-pro-quo. Vindman thought he would be able to change the transcript to reflect that PDJT made a demand of Zelensky, but he couldn’t access it electronically.
He spread the fake information anyway. Interesting discussion about it –
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The abuse of power had nothing to do with 45. It resides solely on the shoulders of 44 and his henchmen (and women).
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Sundance had a very good tweet thread about this last night –
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remember the original rumored claim that the president raised biden issue 7-8 times
remember that Rudy mentioned 7-8 number regarding another matter
if this is a leak-trap, and it may be, 7-8 will be key
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I agree. This transcript was planned to be set up to be a smoking gun. But Trump saw them coming long before they ever came up with that brainstorm.
I think Trump knew exactly what he was doing here, and the potential pitfalls, and that’s why that hard transcript is pristine. He knew he could say the word “Biden” because of those 2 videos of Biden admitting extorting Ukraine to back off prosecuting his son’s company. That completely inoculated Trump from the alleged smoking gun transcript, and allowed him to also say the word “Crowdstrike”, which struck as a thunderclap amongst Deep State. They knew what was coming.
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It was a perfect phone call.
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I wish one of the Republicans had played the clip of Biden (the “well son-of-a-bitch, he got fired” clip and asked Vindman his opinion and whether that would have thrown up a red flag!
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You know when an already ghostly pale guy becomes even pastier that there are some things that perhaps are not on the level. I noticed a whiter shade of pale several times on Vindy baby.
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I noticed that too – his face was drained of colour.
Was it true that Vindman referred to PDJT as Mr. Trump? And was then offended when some referred to him as Mr. Vindman? Did no one point out the irony there?
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I noticed his pasty-faced older-gentleman lawyer was quite nervous and stuttered attempting to shut Rep. Nunes up. Also, Col Vindman stuttered a bit, too. His admitting that he told his attorney Eisenman (not sure if it was the lawyer sitting with him) about his phone call teliing the Ukraines not to meddle in US politics probably ticked the lawyer off; lawyer told blabbermouth Vindman not to talk to anyone else. Well, he screwed up, didn’t he? Not sure that Schiff is happy having to go to the mat to pretend Vindman is any kind of star witness who will take Trump down, and I don’t think Stephen Spielberg would find him a worthy subject for a major motion picture, unless he plays Flounder in Animal House 2.0.
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As part of his job, Vindman had apparently submitted talking points to the President for his telcon with Zelensky. They included the bit about “rooting out corrupton”. The President left that bit out of his telcon. When Vindman did the summary (“readout”) for the media and others he put that line in – “rooting out corruption”. It was never in the actual transcript because the President chose not to say it.
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Should have called him Comrade Vindman!
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I think the Trump administration was secretly saving their transcript in 2 places…the normal, and another more secure location. Vindman altered the transcript in the normal location, thinking it was the only original. Then he delivered his altered transcript to CIA spy ERIC CIARAMELLA who gave it to his handler Adam Schiff.
Adam Schiff then read the altered version in Congress…thinking that there were no other originals. If there were no originals, the White House would have had to recreate the transcript from memory and anyone who listened to the actual call could say it was an inaccurate recreation.
This explains why they were so pissed about the unexpected transcript location (why would they care?) and why Schiff read the ridiculous made up transcript in Congress.
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Swamph8er:. Your explanation is the best I have seen!
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Hmmmmm. An interesting speculation.
But that would be unlikely surely, because what Schiff read was ludicrous. And Vindman would have been certain to make the changes innocuous enough to pass muster.
What Schiff read was his own fantasy wet dream.
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He outed himself most when answering Dem Denny Heck. I’d love to see his phone/laptop communication fireworks within minutes of the July 25 call. He said within an hour (2 minutes maybe?) he had talked with Mr. Isenburg. Notes were taken, then within his “coordination roll” he set the airwaves on fire letting his agency network know his interpretation of the President’s call. It gets back to Isenburg that Vindman is broadcasting the call info. Now that’s a timeline of texts, emails and phone conversations I’d like to see.
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Rosenberg should light Vindman up. Obviously he is completely unqualified to hold a sensitive position.
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Sorry, Eisenberg not Rosenberg as spellcheck (or the Democrats) want.
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Except the Trump Administration released the transcript before Schiff did his ‘performance’
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Impossible that there was not a recording made of that call.
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Wouldn’t this charade come to screeching halt if Vindman was compelled to give testimony before a Senate Committee, like Judiciary headed by Graham, where he would have to take the 5th or answer questions about who he spoke to in an intelligence agency? And the Dems know this, yet they persist. Reasons ?
a) Some kind of short term gain (smear/impeachment vote) can be achieved by Dems before their witnesses get crushed in the Senate?;
b) VSGPT is giving them rope as they expose themselves and there will be some event/time he is awaiting before he pulls the trigger?;
Are the Dems being driven to this by fear of Barr/Durham?; Or by fear of some unseen extra-constitutional power structure of globalists/intelligence agencies?
Are them Dems fooling themselves that they can get away with this (since they have gotten away with so much in the past) ?
VSGPT keeps dropping hints that he has them trapped. Lastest i heard was during press questions before cabinet meeting today. Repeatedly describing Pelosi as incompetent and corrupt. Then at the end assuring the press that they are gonna see (proof? soon?)
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Pres. Trump was pointing out that he suspects Pelosi is using “if you vote for impeachment, I’ll let the House vote on the USMCA,” in order to get the Dimms in districts that voted for Pres. Trump and any other moderates, to vote for impeachment.
I think she’s definitely lost Van Deem who voted against the inquiry and has indicated there’s nothing to impeach the President for.
I think you keep on bringing up the Wash. Post article on day of his inauguration…”now impeachment starts,” attorney for the BlowWhistler, Mark Zaid, “now the coup starts” 10 days later, other snipets of the media and headlines and keep pounding that into ads, etc. That and Pelosi saying “the President must prove he’s innocent.” crap.
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Vindbag gives out EXACTLY the sicko vibe of the one about whom neighbors say later: “he was quiet, kept mostly to himself”.
What a DISGRACE to the uniform he is staining.
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Vindman looks like a pasty-faced DWEEB
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I listened to him on the car radio (XM). My original thought was that he was a cat in a warehouse of rocking chairs (at least that is how nervous he sounded). I don’t know if it was because he was testifying publicly and knew that the whole country was watching him lie or something else. Maybe he feared that Schiff might not cut off the questions in open forum like he does in the basement.
No matter, if he were giving a statement like this in a courtroom, most jurors listening would be skeptical because of his nervous voice.
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He reminds me of the often stereotyped high school wimp who eventually manages to weasel himself into a mid-management position with moderate power and a title, which he INSISTS that others use. I wonder if he wants family members to salute him?
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“What a DISGRACE to the uniform he is staining.”
Amen to that. Benedict Arnold 2019 (or at least on this day in 2019, since there are so many traitors these days).
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Except Benedict Arnold did far less.
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Who’s his daddy?
Vindman testified that he served in the military (not US).
When asked by a Dem if his father was an engineer, Vindman gave an odd response that he returned to his previous profession. The questioning Congressman assumed that to be as an engineer.
Anyone know anything more about his late father?
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Here is some background:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/10/alexander-vindman-family-wife-parents-brother/
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Not sure why, but the link doesn’t work for me. thanks.
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Basically it says that Vindman is a Russian immigrant with remaining loyalties to a country other than America…..
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I’m interested in what his father did once he came to the US. Where they lived, where Vindman Sr. worked, etc. Did they stay in Brighton Beach?
Not much info that I can find.
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I suspect most information about Vindman was professionally removed from the internet.
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“You mean, like wiped with a towel?” (Sorry I couldn’t help it)
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I believe that Semyon Vindman ended up working in what was effectively the Water Department for the City of New York…
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Vindman Sr. In Brighton Beach?! Your kidding me! You mean like “pictures of naked Trump” and “it rains again on Brighton Beach”?!
“…OK. And what’s the nature of the kompromat?” Schiff asks.
“Well, there were pictures of naked Trump,” one of the pranksters says…”
“…They discussed many things,” the prankster says. “But the most interesting thing is they used a special password before their meetings. When they met each other they said ‘weather is good on Deribasivska.’”…”
“…After the prank callers try to correct Schiff’s pronunciation again, he says that he would have staff follow up with the spellings. But things get more ludicrous from there: “And the second part of their password was, ‘it rains again on Brighton Beach,’” one of the pranksters tells Schiff….”
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sorry, Little Odessa
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Per a YT researcher, a bus driver…
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Not a Russian immigrant – an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, Ukraine in particular, and specifically from K I E V. Very interesting.
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Also interesting is that Vindman is a Ukrainian who hates Russians, with a passion. Excuse my French but the BS is so deep. For the record, there is a minority of people in Ukraine who hate Russians passionately. They tend to be fascist (history of siding with Hitler). As we hear all the dramatics, make notes. Zelensky ran on a platform that included making peace with Russia. He won by a 70% vote. That is not meant to support the lie that Ukraine is involved in a war with Russia. They in fact have had a civil war going on since their democratically elected President was overthrown in a coup, with much help from the US. Russia has provided help to the resistance in Eastern Ukraine, but Russia has rejected pleas to annex them or send in their troops. Take the hint from that. Russia is not seeking Ukrainian territory. Crimea is another issue with a long important history to Russia as well as Holy Sites important to the Russian Orthodox Church.. Suffice to say it has been under Russia control since Catherine the Great and they will fight a war with the US before they ever surrender it. Schitty just delivered a melodrama how Ukraine could have been invaded by Russia while Trump was withholding weapons, and would have been helpless. Don’t buy any of it. The US is not the only country in the world that sells munitions. Ukraine has warehouses full of military grade weapons from countries such as Israel seeking to make their bucks. Seriously listen to them. Ukraine has been fighting a war against Russia for 5 years now with no weapons? Yankees need to come home and would if Trump had the powers he should have as POTUS.
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Yeah, the Russia hate is fake, I suspect… after all, his elder brother has lived there for years and married a Russian woman, per a YT researcher… The researcher appears competent and puts up images of her open source research results.
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Good post….
In the future….
Please use….
Paragraphs….
So we can more fully enjoy your postings.
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“The Illegals” as in “The Amerikans “?
He went to speak to an IC lawyer…his brother?
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Basically it says that Vindman is a Russian immigrant with remaining loyalties to a couyntry other than America….
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It appears that we have a history and geography conundrum underway on this thread this afternoon. Russia, specifically Moscow, was the political center of the U.S.S.R.: the United Soviet Socialist Republic, Karl Marx Commies. Many smaller countries were swallowed up by the Russian controlled USSR through the period of years – decades – in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution, and the assassination of the Czar along with the rest of his Romanoff family in the early 20th century.
As WWII ended, the Allies ceded East Germany AND East Berlin (in WEST Germany) to the U.S.S.R. The USSR had forcibly sucked up a lot of surrounding nations into their Soviet system since the successful overthrow of the Czar. Wasn’t pretty. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, eventually Kruschev – the Gulag Archipelago, millions of citizens murdered by their own Soviet Communist government was the lay of the land.
This all finally came apart at the seams during the one term GHW Bush Administration, as a result of President Ronald Reagan having worn down the Soviets economically. Last week we celebrated the 30th anniversary of the tear down of the Berlin Wall.
Historically and contemporaneously, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, the former Checzkoslovakia (sp), and others, have never been or considered themselves to be “Russian”.
Several years ago I taught ESL (English as a 2nd language) to a group of older adult immigrants. The class had approximately 20 students, multiple origins, languages, and religions. Three students in my class were from the Ukraine and two were from Russia. The Ukrainian women HATED the Russian married couple – history has consequences. The Russians were polite but clearly did not hold the Ukrainians in high regard. All of this occurred on the heels of the Russian annexation of the Crimean Peninsula, during the Obama Administration. The Russian invasion of the Crimea reminded the Ukrainian women of a youth lived under the jackboot Soviets. Very, very bad blood between Ukrainians and Russians post “annexation”. Thank you, Obama, for promising real help but sending blankets instead of armaments to help the Ukrainians defend themselves and their Crimea. Good on ya, bro!
The family of the Vindman brother in uniform, the one desperately trying to avoid a Court Martial, is from Kiev, in the Ukraine. The family may or may not be Russian, because there is a large population of Russians living in the Ukraine, and particularly in the Crimea, but according to the posted link, the Vindman family hails from Kiev.
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OK. I have Russian and Ukrainian antecedents. One grandparent was one of these, with some German mixed in, the other from a large city in Ukraine, some Jewish forebears, too. The Ukrainian did not suffer when living and working professionally in Russia, was a loyal subject of the Russian Tsar. Ukraine was referred to, at least in my family, as “Small Russia.” Ukrainians are a proud people, but anti-Semitism definitely drags them down in many ways. There were pogroms and many of the Jews who had lived there for centuries fled in the late 19th c., many coming to America. Things got worse for established society with WWI and the Russian Revolution underway just a century ago. The Holodomor was a hideous event, where Stalin’s henchmen, many of them Jews, cruelly allowed the death of millions of Christian Ukrainians, many of them skilled farmers for generations in that rich countryside. The wheat they grew was taken from them to feed the urban proletariat and for foreign exchange, to get the cash that the Soviet government desperately needed. Those Ukrainians who survived welcomed the German Army that invaded during WWII — that’s how much they hated the Soviet regime. In any case, during the late 1970s US Senator Scoop Jackson worked up a policy with the USSR that allowed people to leave the Soviet Union; most of these were Jews who (the worm had turned) now were out of power and dealing with anti-Semitism that had once more reared its ugly head. So the Vindman family (mother died in USSR is my understanding) got out while they could, before the regime closed the gate once again. Where I lived in the Middle West during that time we saw lots of Jewish refugee families and the local synagogues and social service organizations organized and assisted these people to settle in their new homes and country.
One thing to remember is that these folks were fleeing unbearable anti-Semitism, not Soviet Communism. So I would regard Vindman’s whining with a grain or two of salt.
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The story is more complicated. To attempt to expand your awareness and put that history simply, Hitler did not hate Jews because they were Jewish. He hated them because they were communists. Jews had played a significant role in the Russian Revolution that bought on the USSR (the October Revolution) where Lenin took rule. They viciously attacked the religious which were Orthodox Christians (Russian or Greek), executing their religious leaders, destroying their churches, slaughtering them in mass. Not to mention the confiscation of all property and wealth. On Lenin’s death, a power play occurred between Trotsky and Stalin. Stalin won but he then conducted purges to get rid of all the Trotskyites. Many Christians retaliated against the Trotskyites who were largely Jewish. Many Jews fled here to the US, particularly New York. Meet their descendants in the far left of the democratic party.
The Holodomor is a politicized tragedy. Russia in the 1920’s and 1930’s had a series of droughts. Know what? We had them here in the US also – reference the Dust Bowl of Oklahoma. Call them Acts of God or Acts of Nature. The problem was the communist government had taken on the task of managing everything. They were what we are experiencing now – a state of bureaucrats, government employees, who were suppose to have all the answers and make utopia, a ruling elite who were to have all the answers to everything and make life ‘fair’ – who really knew nothing of what they were doing.
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It worked for me. Try copy/pasting directly into your browser. Interesting stuff.
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he was responding to idiotic leading questions by one dem congressman who has engineering degree
that congressman assumed that vindmans father came to america and studied for an engineering degree here
congressman too ignorant to realize that a high percentage of russian emigres of that period were already professionals in USSR before emigrating—doctors, engineers etc
when they came to the states, they had to take exams, re certify etc in their profession to be able to work here.
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So you’re saying that he needed to reciprocally license as an engineer in the US?
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This is disgraceful behavior by a member of the “Officers Cadre” of the military. It’s no less disgraceful for the Colonel being retired from the military. But it’s ALSO a Liberal….. That doesn’t excuse the sordid behavior, it only explains the sordid behavior
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This treasonous bast*rd should be arrested for illegal port of uniform.
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Vindman gets no cake!
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He admitted to a crime. Rep Nunes should refer him to the DOJ for leaking.
Vindman should also be court-martialed for insubordination.
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should have had a few good men scene..the witness has rights…then take him away
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“YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I DID”
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Yes…then the RATS can set up a go-fund-me account…and the ACLU can give him an award…just like RAT Liar Christine Ford.
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As an ex USAF officer, I am disgusted with Lt. Col Vindman’s behavior and testimony. He is a disgrace to his oath and uniform. He deserves no notice.
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Just saw that Vindman is being transferred to a military base. For his safety… Who in the chain of command approved this? This one should be easy.
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Hopefully to the military jail there.
Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect your 30 pieces of silver.
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Jail? Rumor going around that there’s a cell no longer being used in Manhattan.
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Safety? I wonder if they have ever heard of the term “fragged”?
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Reading around different news websites, I get the feeling that American diplomats working in the Ukraine realm give more care to what Ukraine wants and not so much about what our American president wants.
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I don’t think they care about what the POTUS wants, the American people want, nor what the Ukrainians want. What the heck are we doing in the Ukraine on Russia’s border? Trying to ignite WWIII? Durn right Ukraine is important to our national INSECURITY. NATO is self preserving. Lockheed Martin sees future $s in more Trident missles. Monsanto sees control of the bread basket of Europe. Biden’s and I bet so many more see wealth and $s. But what do we, the American people, get? Greatest threat of nuclear war we have ever had.
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That was my impression of everyone who has testified so far. They’re working more for Ukrainians than they are America. It’s Europe who needs to put up some money, not the U.S. taxpayer. There’s no reason to believe the money laundering of U.S. foreign aid coming back to the Congressional and DC elites ever stopped, especially since Soros is involved.
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“You can either answer the question or plead the fifth” – BINGO
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Look at Vindman. What a dweeb. Ollie North he ain’t. More like Radar O’Reilly’s dorkier little brother. He shouldn’t have worn the uniform. It only makes him look like a wannabe company clerk. It’s all like a bad Revenge of the Nerds sequel; there’s your Deep State, folks….an odd conglomeration of bitter little trolls and misfits, exacting their revenge on the athlete, beauty queens, and cool kids, from their anonymous, bureaucratic, paper-pushing perches.
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Sort of reminds me of Kent Dorfman from Animal House.
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physiognomy is real and you can judge a person by their ‘looks’
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I look at Vidman and I doubt he could keep up with Trump. Remember when Trump had to go in the back way in California during the campaign? He got taken through a hole in the fence and had to jump down off the highway. Two of the staff/security had just reached out hands to help and he was already moving down. A little of jam up because they were there, but Trump was striding in to the building moments later.
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I remember, it happened near where I live. It was exciting.
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This exchange seems to me to support Sundance’s theory that the coup has now gone hard and there is a military contingent working on this as well.
Vindman corrects Nunes who called him Mr. Vindman snapped that the correct title was Lt. Col. Very telling IMO. Surely Nunes did that intentionally.
https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/impeachment-witness-snaps-back-at-devin-nunes-its-lt-col-vindman/
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Here he is Jimmy…
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I’m getting tired of the Republicans holding back. How is it possible that in hours of questioning under oath no one asked Vindman why as an officer in the U.S. Army he decided it was appropriate to leak the information in question to [the CIA]? Is it so hard to ask this question and keep asking it in every possible permutation each Rep can devise? Come on! This military to CIA to (with) State Dept to Demz in Congress coordination is the evil axis underlying this whole charade. I guess the Republicans are afraid to step over their little inside the beltway line.
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We have a globalist UNIPARTY. Stop expecting Republicans to do the right thing.
Another way to think of it is that we have the Hate America party and the Sell Out America party.
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uh that’s Lt. Col Vindman
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https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/04/retired-army-officer-remembers-lt-col-vindman-as-partisan-democrat-who-ridiculed-america/
What a farce….
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Thank you. If this is true Vindman should be demoted and reassigned for conduct unbecoming.
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And then there’s this:
Mike Cernovich
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@Cernovich
During Ranger School, LTC Vindman kept getting low peer ratings because “he was lazy and a chow thief,” a Ranger School classmate of Vindman has said.
Battalion Rangers wanted him out, said he was POS.
I won’t out sources but here is class picture.
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The testimony is just crazy. He is a leaker. He did not follow chain of command on who to complain to. Then he refuses to name a person in the intelligence agency (Ciamerella). But then in the same breath denies knowing the whistleblower! What?! Then you have the wrong legal interpretation that somehow the whistleblower identity if protected and new made up rules created by Schiff. The whole thing is just jaw dropping and riddled with errors (which would normally be appealable, but not in this kangaroo court). In a crazy parallel, Schiff has become the American counterpart to the British Bercow! They must have links across the Atlantic because the maneuvers are all the same!
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The fact that Vindman’s recollection comes and goes routinely, his reliability has obviously gone and won’t come back.
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Nunes almost got Vindman to out the whistle-blower
Office of ….
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I caught that also ,
can’t understand why others haven’t taken any noticed of his slip up or its just not a big deal….
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Yes, and another one of my favorites is. Why has the military not prospected him. Because he to is CIA
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Here uou o Nunes
Offices of CIA….
The Central Intelligence Agency is an independent agency responsible for providing national security intelligence to senior US policymakers.
The CIA is separated into seven basic components:
http://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/
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Here you go Nunes
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But Vindman said “the office of” before he stopped himself and then said “the inteiigence community”.
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Reference above again
“Offices of” CIA….
The Central Intelligence Agency is an independent agency responsible for providing national security intelligence to senior US policymakers.
The CIA is separated into seven basic components:
http://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/
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Apparently the job of Ukrainian Defense Minister must be filled by a fat, ignorant, self-important blowhard.
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Nunes instantly knew what happened. Look at his response as Vindman is saying that he knows the person was properly cleared with a need to know. His eyes got real big and he advises about pleading the 5th.
Neither Vindman nor the lawyer caught that.
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We need a meme of Vindman morphing into Blasey-Ford to go viral.
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I heard the statement in real time in my car. I immediately called my husband (who I knew was home, likely not watching on tv, and probably on the computer). I thought what I heard was that Vindman admitted to being a source for the whistleblower who was part of the Intelligence Community. When Devin Nunes asked which of the 17 agencies he referenced, Chairman Schiff objected. In the process of the objection, Chairman Schiff confirmed it. My husband checked Twitter and told me it was lighting up with people who heard what I heard!
A hat tip to Chairman Schiff for telling us about the whistleblower. Oh wait, he doesn’t know who the whistleblower is. One thing for sure, we sure know which House committee chairman blows the most smoke!
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“Mr” Vindman is definitely not someone i would ever be confident in to lead me in a war zone.
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“Yes, this would be laughed right out of the Courtroom, in any actual Court of Law …” that the Judge could be the arbiter of what either of the two Parties would be allowed(!!) to say” …
“The US Constitution?” “The rationale of it?” “The reason why it survives today as the oldest founding document of Government still in use in the world today?” Yes, I begin to understand …
Yes, “as these foolish interlocutors breathe into their paper cups, I feel on my back the hurricanes of history.”
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Lt Col Vindman, is that a pledge pin? On your uniform!?
When did it become copacetic for a soldier, let alone an O-5 appear in public 25lbs over weight and stuffed into his dress uniform like the Michelin Man? Additionally he went completely outside of his chain of command. Guys a creep whose plan blew up when he couldn’t edit the transcript to mirror his BS version of the transcript.
If the Army is comfortable with this ham planet representing them in front of the country, then best of luck to them, but this clown is a disgrace to the uniform.
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Let the UCMJ and some real patriots put this sphincter orifice out of his misery.
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Ozium… +3 for using copacetic in a sentence!!!!!!!!!!
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Did Schiff-Vindman rehearsed this exchange???
For context listen from 3.42, the pertinent part is @ 4.20
Vindman said stay out of US -domestic”policy”-
Schiff glanced at his notes for the next question and before he ask the next question QUICKLY “Corrected” Vindman -you MEAN “politics”- and Vindman corrected himself to “politics”
Schiff next question (listen carefully)
What do you feel it was necessary to advise President Zelensky to stay away from US -domestic”politics”-
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I’ve met many a young soldier at airports across the country and I can honestly say that I couldn’t imagine any of them having to follow this bastard (Vindman) into battle. Come to think of it, having seen Russian soldiers – and knowing a few Ukrainians – I couldn’t imagine the Ukranian soldiers following him either.
Pansy in a costume. He’s ugly and his twin looks like a MOron.
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Are we sure Ciaramella is the whistleblower? Because when describing the unnamed person Vindman reported the phone call to, he said it’s an individual “in the office of” before he switched to “in the intelligence community”. I’m thinking he went to the OIG for the CIA. The Office of Inspector General for the CIA. Who is that person right now?
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Forget my last question. It would be someone in the CIA OIG, not necessarily the IG. Ciaramella’s not in the OIG area is he?
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And by the way, Vindman claims he doesn’t know who the whistleblower is. Not that I think he’s truthful but let’s say he’s being truthful about this one point. Then that would mean Vindman passed the info to someone who passed it to the whistleblower.
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I also thought of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. McGuire heads that but it could be anyone working in that office.
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From The Heavy:
According to the Washington Examiner, Ciaramella is currently detailed by the CIA to the National Intelligence Committee, where he works as a deputy national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia. He reports to Trump’s acting Director of National Intelligence, Joseph Maguire. He likely works closely with Alexander Vindman, the impeachment inquiry witness who is now Ukraine director for the NSC, Ciaramella’s former role.
Ciaramella reports to the DNI. So technically Ciaramella is someone in the Office of the DNI? But Vindman knows Ciaramella, right? But he claims he doesn’t know the whistleblower.
By the way, I haven’t forgotten Nunes’ questions to Williams and Vindman about accessing someone else’s computer without their permission or authorization. I don’t think he was implying Williams did it. Nunes knows what’s going on.
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SMH, its a Schiff Bomb 😛
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Dough-boy Vindman perjures himself-again, this time courtesy of Rep Brad Wenstrup (?). H/T Free Republic with link to 100hundredpercentfedupdotcom. Apologies if this was already posted.
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