Former AAG Matthew Whitaker Discussing Pending IG FISA Report: “Fairly Dramatic”….

This interview with former Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was Friday evening. Mr. Whitaker gave a specific reference point for his expectation of the IG report on the circumstances surrounding the Carter Page FISA:

…”From where I sit, and from what I know, I think it is going to be fairly dramatic, what this investigation is going to show”…

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CTH Research Opinion – Carter Page was irrelevant to the FBI objective.  The FBI/DOJ goal was to get the Steele Dossier into official investigative position so they could investigate.  The dossier claims were the cornerstone to launch the Mueller probe; but the dossier was only a tool for Mueller; not the goal.  The goal for Mueller and team was to generate evidence of obstruction…. which would be used for impeachment.

Or put another way…

To get impeachment, they needed obstruction.  To get obstruction they needed an investigation.  To get the investigation they needed evidence (the dossier). To change the dossier from oppo-research to evidence they needed a target.  The target was Carter Page.

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388 Responses to Former AAG Matthew Whitaker Discussing Pending IG FISA Report: “Fairly Dramatic”….

  1. pucecatt says:

    I haven’t read the dossier , was Carter Page in the dossier ?

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    • Merkin Muffley says:

      Yes, many times.

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      • Bill Durham says:

        Whittaker is a guy who actually knows what happened. So I would pay attention. Forget the tic toc clown show. Whittaker has seen the underlying evidence. Dramatic but not illegal? Or does he want to avoid over promising? Hannity had a rehearsal last night to reduce expectations. Sounds like we will get the excuse that procedures were not followed. And Chris wray will be implementing more training modules. Meh

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        • Robert Smith says:

          I think people are getting overwrought over the word choice here. Sure, Whitaker isn’t in the DOJ anymore but I think he’s being exceedingly careful with what he says.

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        • OlderAndWiser says:

          He knows jack shit. Why would he refer to Steele as Michael Steele, not Christopher Steele? He’s an empty suit. Wouldn’t trust a word he says.

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    • mr. deacon says:

      Other than the FISA warrants, The Dossier (or its information under other pseudonyms), was the only place Carter Page was ever mentioned as being a Russian asset. No Dossier, no Carter Page. No Carter Page no investigation, no obstruction, no impeachment like Sundance said. Trying to find any honest information via an online search engine will only result in leftist spin, lies, and coverups. But no facts. Every leftist outlet is now going full bore linear panic bouncing off of and avoiding facts and the truth like a marble in a pinball game trying to say the Dossier had nothing to do with the FISA requests nor the Mueller investigation.

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      • The choose “truth” over facts.

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      • Dutchman says:

        No subject (Carter page), No investigation.
        No investigation, no excuse (obstruction trap) for Reps to say they they will vote FOR impeachment, so PDJT can be persuaded to resign, for good of party and country.

        And Graham was ingratiating himself with PDJT, in order to be “the Guy” that,would tell him, as his friend “Mr. President, they have the votes to impeach. You must resign.”
        Bet he had already rehearsed it.

        The Dems didn’t NEED an excuse, but the Reps DID. Ergo, the whole reason for Mueller was Mitch and the gang.
        THATS,the predicate, the reason for the whole thing.

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        • Koot Katmando says:

          I been saying for months that Mueller was a tool of Mitch and the senate. I have come to believe the US senate is more of an enemy to the people than the current press.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Certainly on a par. The Uniparty controls much, by controlling CONgress; they control Judiciary, with appointments, power to impeach and blackmail/corruption.

            The control the executive by controlling who POTUS can appoint to his cabinet, and through oversight function.
            The control IC, through SSIC, and Gang of Eight.

            And, they write the laws, such as Patriot act, or, don’t write laws, such as meaningful immigration reform, which demonstrates how powerful inaction can be.

            Definetly, all roads, all problems lead right back to CONgress, the deepest, dankest nastiest part of the,swamp is the,Capital building; CONgress.

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            • underwhelmingposter says:

              They are appointed by and serve at the pleasure of the head of government and are therefore strongly subordinate to the president as they can be replaced at any time. Normally, since they are appointed by the president, they are members of the same political party, but the executive is free to select anyone, including opposition party members, subject to the advice and consent of the Senate. Any Cabinet member may also be impeached by the Senate if it deems necessary to do so.

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          • Linda K. says:

            It is hard to choose.

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      • If I am remembering correctly, it is stated in the unredacted FISA application released some time ago, the information that Carter Page is an agent of Russia came from Department of State. Could be wrong, but I remember finding it odd since later it was stated he was being targeted for recruitment.

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    • B Woodward says:

      According to the Steele dossier, Paul Manafort was like the master spy in the Trump Russia collusion conspiracy and Carter Page was one of Manafort’s agents.

      (from the Steele Dossier, page 8)
      “1. Speaking in confidence to a compatriot in late July 2016, Source E, an ethnic Russian close associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald TRUMP, admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side by the Republican candidate’s campaign manager, Paul MANAFORT, who was using foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE, and others as intermediaries. The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON, whom President PUTIN apparently both hated and feared.”

      Isn’t it interesting that Manafort and Page were not charged by the FBI nor Mueller for colluding with the Russians.

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      McCabe, under oath testifying to Congress, said the only thing they could confirm in the Dossier was that Carter Page went to Moscow.

      Shortly after that appearance I heard Alisyn Camerota, on CNN, lecturing our JIm Jordan that nearly everything in the Dossier had been confirmed. And you wonder why CNN viewers are so misinformed..

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      First of all…..

      You SHOULD READ THE DOSSIER.
      It’s a 36 page spy story……you can read over a cup of coffee.

      Dear Lord,…..it’s exactly PEOPLE NOT READING IT that….in part….is the reason this got this far.

      IF everyone would have read it THE DAY IT CAME OUT…..MOST of them would have realized HOW ABSURD IT WAS.

      A British ex-spy comes out of retirement for one final mission
      and SINGLE-HANDEDLY
      discovers FIVE AMERICAN spies
      the outline of their WHOLE NEFARIOUS PLOT TO UNDERMINE AN ELECTION
      with “intel” based on:
      “I heard from a guy, who heard it from a guy, who heard if from a guy
      WHO HEARD IT FROM A RUSSIAN FSB INTELLIGENCE OFFICER ”

      And does it in ONLY 3 MONTHS???????

      While not one………NOT ONE……………..of the “17 American Intelligence Agencies”….
      or the IRS
      EVER CAUGHT WHIFF OF ANY OF IT.

      It’s a plot from a Scooby-Doo cartoon
      With Trump saying..
      “…and I would’ve gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for that pesky British Double O PP”

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Oh and Carter Page IS in it…and if Steele is to be believed

        IS NOW THE RICHEST RUSSIAN OLIGARCH IN THE WORLD

        except he not.

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  2. ozymandiasssss says:

    “Fairly” dramatic? Fairly is a word of diminution

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    • KWC says:

      Yeah, what a whimpy statement. What’s publicly known is already dramatic – outrageously so.

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      • ozymandiasssss says:

        Doesn’t sound promising to me

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        Didn’t Rooster Head say it was a “Nothing Burger”

        Just sayin…….As I believe friggin Gowdy……

        Bring us up……bring us down……wait…….

        How would a “Former” AG know what’s in the report anyway?

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        • justlizzyp says:

          That was not really my takeaway from Gowdy’s interview last night. I heard it as a variation of ‘start asking the right questions!’ not ‘nothing is going to happen’.

          “Start asking the right questions” is, to me, a close relative of “destroy the predicate and everything else falls apart’. If the focus is only on the actions, then the ‘by the book’ defense (or Outrage Trap) comes into play. Prove that those actions were NOT based on any real, credible information and we may get somewhere.

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          • LafnH20 says:

            ‘I heard it as a variation of ‘start asking the right questions!’

            As in charge under the “Right Statutes”.

            I did as well, justlizzyp.

            Hannity shut it down after that… Pronto.

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            • Tl Howard says:

              Gowdy was trying to get Sean to see that you had to match an action to a STATUTE that identifies that action as CRIMINAL. Start this video at 5:05. In a few seconds, Gowdy says, “Ah ha” as Hannity identifies what is criminal!

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            • justlizzyp says:

              There is nothing more frustrating to me than seeing what should be a slam dunk case lost because those drafting the charges caved to the outrage mob and overcharged. The charges in the Freddie Gray case spring to mind – how did they ever think they could prove premeditation? Had they charged what they knew they could prove I suspect they might have seen some convictions. Instead, a string of ‘not guilty’ verdicts.

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              • Judith says:

                That’s why talking heads and trolls insert “sedition” where it does not belong. Can’t prove what did not occur. What *did* occur is TREASON, like the President said. I believe him.

                Big difference.

                This dance of the seven veils has worn thin. Who will reveal the naked truth? The predicate was what? Say it all together: TREASON, AKA conspiring and colluding with FOREIGN entities to remove our duly-elected President.

                Let’s start there and we’ll see what happens.

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                • justlizzyp says:

                  It might play better in the courtroom to present it as a bunch of out of control intel types covering up their crimes. I don’t know that their plan would have been much different if the GOP nominee had been someone other than Trump. Trump’s personality just gave them lots of material to work with and some additional cover. If it were President Cruz they could claim some moral imperative to save the world from him but not as easily as they can with Trump. A complicit media selling the ‘short fingered vulgarian’ narrative has led to a significant portion of the country who believe that it was good, noble and right for them to do what they did when it was really just self serving. To successfully prosecute these guys, the charges and the focus will have to stay on the why – the why was not political – they’d have done it no matter who the nominee was. If they focus on ‘they did it because Orange Man Bad!” there is a really good chance there will be at least one juror who agrees.

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          • JL says:

            Here’s the problem with the “lie to the court and you only are held in contempt and lose your law license” argument made by Gowdy and the Debbie Downers.

            Yes, it’s true that those are the consequences for a simple lie to a court. But those FISA applications were not simple lies to the court. Every application contains this text:

            “(U) The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures[WOODS PROCEDURES]; which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate held office(s). A copy of those procedures was previously provided to the Court.

            (U) VERIFICATION
            I declare
            under penalty of perjury that the foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page is true and correct. Executed pursuant to Title 28, United States Code, 1746

            To sign one’s name under that text, exactly as was done in the FISA applications, knowing that the Woods Procedures were not followed, is to commit the criminal act of perjury. And that brings up the problem with this argument. Everyone that I know of that signed those application claims that they did not read the applications. If you only committed simple negligence by failing to read the application before signing, the argument can be made that you did not knowingly lie to the court.

            The excuse given by the known signers, is that “so and so briefed me on the contents”. You can still make the argument that if they were only briefed, the signer could not have declared that the information is “true and correct”.

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            • JL says:

              I tried to put under penalty of perjury in bold but failed in my formatting. Its in there in the second quoted paragraph, right above where the FBI official signed the document.

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            • justlizzyp says:

              I don’t disagree with you – I just think if the focus is on the outrage of ‘they lied to the court and everyone else!’ because it is the most visible and painful of their offenses then we could lose them because they may be able to convince 1 juror that it was all justified based on what they ‘believed’. One sympathetic juror who is inclined to see ‘negligence’ instead of ‘perjury’ is all they need.

              We have to establish clearly and definitively that they either KNEW it was all bs when they signed those applications or that they were somehow criminally remiss in their duties (remaining willfully blind to facts and evidence that they SHOULD have know) and that is why I keep saying – attack the predicate.

              The FISA court is apparently a hot steaming mess of complacency that needs to be eliminated. They keep admitting that they’ve been played but they don’t ever do anything about it. Some gatekeepers.

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            • Raptors2020 says:

              If you’re a lawyer, JL:

              What if Carter Page was part of the Coup, and he agreed in advance to be spied on? What if the FISA warrant was just boiler plate, just for show?
              If Carter Page was not a victim of illegal spying, is there a crime?

              Carter Page revealed recently he was a long-time asset of both the FBI and CIA. Seems like he’s breaking some bad news to us, gently..

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              • johneb18 says:

                If Page was a willing participant, then the FBI going to the FISA court and STILL misrepresenting him as an agent of a foreign power conspiring to break US laws is DOUBLY DAMNING in my opinion, and was done for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of:

                1. Being able to leak the story to say, “Hey, look, the Trump campaign is under suspicion because of this guy, Carter Page,” which is in and of itself, useful to generate suspicion about candidate Trump from an “insurance policy” perspective, and,

                2. By getting a FISA warrant, and misrepresenting Carter Page and his activities, they are able to get surveillance on essentially anyone Carter Page came into contact with in the Trump campaign.

                I don’t understand how this gets the FBI off the hook. It’s worse.

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              • JL says:

                I am not a lawyer. I did grow up as the son of a lawyer, and we certainly had many discussions. I would not recommend anyone accepting my arguments as legally sound, lol.

                The Woods Procedures also have a specific section that requires the FBI to disclose current and prior relationships that the Government had with the target of a FISA warrant. It will be interesting to see if the redacted portions of the FISA application contain those disclosures.

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            lizzy
            Very astute observation.
            Bravo!

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        WIMPY…..Please
        If you’re going to selectively pull quotes go do it at CNN or write your own Mueller report.

        “This is going to be such an important moment in our Nation’s history”
        -Matt Whitaker
        IN THE INTERVIEW ABOVE.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Ozy……..

      “This is going to be such an important moment in our Nation’s history”

      Does that sound like diminution?

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  3. ParteaGirl says:

    I’m up for some drama. Bring it on.

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Uncomfortable with the discussion about the IG Report being “limited” to the Carter Page FISA. There should be more dots connecting but perhaps they will hold back for further investigation efforts ongoing. Not feeling all that comfortable about this and the word from Paul Sperry on Twitter saying the report is being reviewed “for accuracy” by Comey, McCabe, Strzok & Yates.

      Whaaaaaat?

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      • Carrie says:

        Yeah- I saw that too : /

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      • Bob Calco says:

        I think that means they are targets for criminal referral.

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      • L4grasshopper says:

        Normal procedures. Keep in mind that an IG investigation is an internal management inspection of processes and procedures. It is NOT a criminal investigation. If, during the course of the IG investigation matters arise or are discovered — or occur, as in the case of McCabe lying to the IG — the IG can make a criminal referral to the DOJ.

        It’s like a lot of folks haven’t paid attention to what the IG is and is not, and what he can or cannot do.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Yes standard process. They don’t see the WHOLE report, just the part that applies to them. Stroxz sees the part about him, comey sees his part, etc.

          They can write,a responce, if they want, which I.G. CAN include, but isn’t required to.

          And yes, my understanding is Wray can make reccomendations on redactions, or what should be put in the classified appendix, but Barr decides.

          So, THIS is where the,rubber meets the road, on Barr. If the Summary and Conclusion, which will be,written by or at the,direction of “the prinipal” (Barr) match with the body of the report, and their are minimal materials put in the classified appendix, thats a good sign Barr is a housecleaner, rather than a cleaner.
          And, I’ll have to eat crow. Already got a nice big one picked out.

          If not, not. Been saying for some time now, THIS would tell us, apart from anything else, Barr, cleaner or housecleaner?

          We call it Horowitz’s report, but its REALLU Barrs, as he writes summary, conclusions and makes final detirmination on what goes in classified appendix.

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          • dwpender says:

            Horowitz’s MYE report found rampant bias among the investigative team, but could find “no evidence” that this bias actually affected the results of the probe.

            This time Horowitz will again find evidence of rampant, rabid, seething bias (same players). Will he find that the bias IMPACTED the decisions to seek the Page warrants and/or the manner and form in which they were presented to the FISA Court?

            If Horowitz says “no evidence” the “bias” impacted the decisions, we have another whitewash. If he says there WAS an impact, his report puts us in a whole different ambit — both collateral consequences in existing prosecutions and to-be-filed 4th Amendment lawsuits, and the REAL possibility of substantive (not process) indictments.

            I don’t think Barr will override Horowitz’s conclusions on this critical issue, whatever they may be.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              Will he find that the bias IMPACTED the decisions to seek the Page warrants and/or the manner and form in which they were presented to the FISA Court?

              This is the difference between THIS report and all the other ones.

              The FISA Application process itself is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to root out decisions affected by BIAS, judgement calls, etc.
              It eliminates that fuzzy area that Comey and the rest have used to claim
              They had NO INTENT to break rules or law.

              IT’S REDUNDANCY through the Woods Procedure is there FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE.

              Not only that…
              The people preparing the application know THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS that their decision making will ultimately be held to ACCOUNT

              Because…..

              They are REQUIRED to sign off on their decisions UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY and must bring it before a JUDGE for approval ensuring it’s NOT FRAUDULENT.

              This means if Horowitz found even one instance that PROVABLE LIES are included in that application as “FACTS” or “VALIDATIONS”
              IT WAS AN INTENTIONALLY PUT THERE

              Go back and read Nunes’ Memo
              He directs our attention to 2 main things
              The Steele Dossier use in the FISA application in large measure
              Bruce Ohr was back-channeling info from Steele to the FBI
              (who in the hell is Bruce Ohr and where the hell did a Bruce Ohr quote come from?)

              IMHO: I think he was telling us that the FBI
              who we now know FIRED STEELE as a CHS in Nov 2016
              (“Do not use this individual as a CHS again”)
              represented to the court that BRUCE OHR “The DOJ’s Russian Mafia crime fighter”
              has given us all this NEW INTEL….

              in order to get one of the renewals

              While they knew the “intel” actually came from Steele (and for that matter, Nellie)
              (FBI Agent Joe Pietka was B.O’s “handler”)
              Look at the dates of all Bruce Ohr’s 302s

              That’s my hunch and I think there’s WAY more than just that one.
              (Kathleen Kavelec being another)

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            • Dutchman says:

              I have been positing for some time that, aside from anything else, this FISA I.G. report will I think pretty clearly answer the question on Barr.
              I really don’t see how it can not.
              But,..we’ll see what happens,…

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      • justlizzyp says:

        Wray can determine what he thinks should be classified all day long, but Barr has the final authority on the matter, so I expect we will see far fewer of those self serving redactions. And there is nothing Wray can do about it.

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          And remember……

          Standing over them ALL is the PRESIDENT.
          Who said TWO YEARS AGO he was going to declassify these materials.

          And now
          There is literally NO LEGITIMATE EXCUSES to deny him that declassification as
          THERE IS NO LONGER AN INVESTIGATION TO OBSTRUCT
          and……
          NO CRIME or COLLUSION OCCURRED IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT EVEN WARRANTED THE INVESTIGATION

          It’s was all a spy story……A FANTASY.

          POTUS can even site OBAMA’S OWN EXECUTIVE ORDER to do it.
          EO 13526

          Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall
          information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail
          to be declassified in order to:

          (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
          (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
          (3) restrain competition; or
          (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.

          FANTASIES ARE NOT NATIONAL SECURITY
          And bullshit isn’t either

          (Though i guess AOC does think our bovine friends
          and their exhaustions….
          may actually be “national security”)

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            Breaking News:
            Christopher Wray has disclosed the existence of
            a counterintelligence investigation possibly related to “RUSSIA!”:

            Apparently a young midwestern girl ran a covert operation called
            “Over the Rainbow”
            With 3 co-conspirators code named
            “The Scarecrow”, “The Tin Man” , and “The Cowardly Lion”
            who remain at large.

            When asked to comment Director Wray said:
            “I cannot comment for reasons of national security and to protect sources and methods”

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      • Zorro says:

        What about the lovely Lisa?

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      • ezgoer says:

        So the coup conspirators get to say what should or shouldn’t be in the IG report. What a joke. The whole game is rigged. And it’s not going to change.

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        • littleanniefannie says:

          Let them redact. That would just tell exactly where to focus the investigation!

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        • Dutchman says:

          NO! PLEASE pay attention. The coupists have NO say in whats in the report. They ARE,allowed to read JUST the part that pertains to them, and write a responce, a defence or explanation, which the I.G. may or may not include, its his choice.
          Then, it goes to Barr, who writes or,directs to be written, a summary and a conclusion section.

          And, Barr detirmines what is or usn’t put in a,classified appendix. This has,ALL been detailed in previous,articles, before earlier I.G. reports. They are in the,archives.

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          • john says:

            A lot of shareblue people here Dutch, making comments designed to disillusion us. They understand but are deliberately obtuse in the hope we lose faith in PDJT to see this through to the end. Ive noticed their numbers growing daily here and on other Trumpian websites.

            Ive got news for them. Our President has said this can never happen again and that if it comes down to it, he will unilatterally declass everything. Promises made, promise kept. You can bet your life on these two promises.

            The sedition, treason and criminality will see the full light of day and the perps will either see prison/gallows or we will face civil war. There is no other likely outcome. We already know too much.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              John…

              (If that indeed is your real name)

              How do we know that YOU YOURSELF aren’t a secret SHAREBLUE agent pulling an
              X-K-RED 27 DOUBLE BLUFF TECHNIQUE on us???

              HMMMM????

              (just messing with ya’)

              (or am I?)

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            • Dutchman says:

              Is ‘shareblue’ a nevertrumper association? I’ve been on here since 2016, and notice two types if troll types. One seem to be libertards, and they don’t last long, easily last long. The other seem to be more NT types, but also pretty easy to identify.
              If ‘turn about is fair play’ and for those who can stomach going to the comments,section of leftist sights, sewing seeds of descent, by harping on how the DNC is obviously rigging the debate process, and as in 2016 will cheat in the primaries might be tempting,…

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      • thehawkeyehoneypot says:

        Who came up with the hookers peeing on the bed? Answer that question anyone please.

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        • LafnH20 says:

          At this point, thehawkeyehoneypot, seeing as it’s untrue…
          Seems a bit irrelevant.

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          • thehawkeyehoneypot says:

            Well id say its relevance is directly related to the key members of the coup. Whoever came up with the “wet dream” was likely a higher up in the coup. All these people should be in prison for what they have done & continue to do to our country. Even condeleeza rice had to shut down savanah gutherie on the today showthis week with more of the russia nonsense.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              it was a SHOCKER story…..meant to get headlines

              “Micheal Cohen went to Prague”
              just isn’t SEXY on it’s own.

              The pee-pee story is a transcribed “intel” version of
              Stormy’s boobs

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        • Nellie Ohr, Ben Rhodes, or Vicious Sid would be my guesses.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Somebody posted that it was originally online,as a joke or satire?

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          • thehawkeyehoneypot says:

            I hope your right but ive heard it was a key piece of the steel dossier. A little sunlight shed on this would go a long ways in dispelling some of these urban coup myths.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              ive heard it was a key piece of the steel dossier.

              What do you mean you’ve “heard”?
              YOU DIDN’T READ IT????

              It’s only the KEY for the ENTIRE STORY OF TRUMP-RUSSIA Collusion
              Buzzfeed published it in Jan 2017
              for free….
              TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO

              Please tell me you read THE NUNES MEMO at least.

              For it’s arguably
              the WHOLE REASON there is an impending OIG FISA REPORT at all.

              Devin Nunes WENT THROUGH HELL to get it legally declassified so he could give it
              DIRECTLY TO US

              Least thing we could do is give him the common courtesy of reading it.

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              • thehawkeyehoneypot says:

                I obviously need to be doing some reading. Most of us simpletons dident even know these documents were available to the general public. I will get on my homework assignment & report back soon mr stinkputin

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  The media IS the public.

                  Pretty much EVERY document the media talks about is available to the public.

                  However, the BEST ones are often those they do NOT talk about.
                  Like the Comey IG Report…..or the Mueller one.

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          • thehawkeyehoneypot says:

            Also dident cardinal comey come at president trump with all this nonsense during a private meeting in the oval office? Knowingly lying to the president is a crime. Unless its done by the democrats to take out orange man bad.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Oh, it was in the dossier. It was actually a key part. The idea was DJT was an agent of Russia, BECAUSE they had video of him doing this,with Russian hookers.
              Supposedly IIRC, it happened during the Beauty pagent DJT put on in Russia.
              Russia was using the film to blackmail DJT into being an agent.
              THAT was the story, as laid out in the Dossier.

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              • Raptors2020 says:

                I’m surprised a grainy surveillance film of Russian hookers, with a Trump-like figure in the shadows, hasn’t surfaced. In this era of deep fakes, with the nearly infinite funds the Democrats have to throw around, and with all the Hollywood talent on their team?

                Paradoxically, I think it hasn’t happened because so many Democrats actually believe the story is true, and they assumed a real video would appear. I recall hearing Chris Hayes on MSNBC saying the odds of the video appearing were 50/50.

                Maybe our October, 2020 surprise?

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        • Linda K. says:

          I think that is textbook Russian spy slander, prostitutes peeing on you, tag the traveling businessman with something really embarrassing , so you can blackmail him.

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        • chickenhawk says:

          Good question. I definitely wouldn’t have come up with that scene. I thought it was lame; as in who the f* cares.
          Let’s have a contest. Which demmiperv thought that scenario up??? Was it comey, strock, brennan???

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      • Tl Howard says:

        That’s procedure. The people who are written about are given the parts about themselves and they have an opportunity to challenge points the IG has made.

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      • amazed treetop downlooker says:

        Could this approach be another opportunity/trap set for these bad cop FIB’s goons to YET AGAIN be documented as serial liars if/WHEN ! they make “corrections” provably incorrect.

        Also, I’m guessing each of their “accuracy review” opportunities would/?could be mandated to be (?enforceably?) blinded from all the others’, so as to maximize the chance of their tripping up if/AS, I expect, they spin their disparate self-serving yarns.

        Treeper lawyers, IS there a watertight legal approach to accomplish this, such as supervised “eyes only” access whereby they are all called in & required to each individually review & respond to the IG report, but not released from supervised observation/no communication device access, i.e., CONTROLLED, till they have ALL responded, preferably in writing, so as to prevent any coordinated responses ? (My naive hope/wishful thinking only?)

        In a nutshell, could this really be a ruse to facilitate a potential “circular firing squad” event amongst rats, whereby the DOJ simultaneously gets PR brownie points for going the extra mile to “be fair” to the perps?

        I don’t know, but DOES seem ludicrous that the suspects be afforded any more opportunity to critique the IG report prior to its release than you or I would be, HA…NOT !

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        • amazed treetop downlooker says:

          Thank you Dutchman, your answers to my questions weren’t posted yet when I started composing my post… delayed with several interruptions… with my questions.

          Next time, after I compose questions, I will need to re-scan the discussion thread BEFORE I hit submit, to check for new posts arising while preparing my post, which could prevent my needing to submit my post. Mea culpa

          Apologies !

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          You can make bank that the main players are all talking to each other anyway to align their stories if necessary.

          That’s what the Lawfare / “beach friends” group does.

          But you’re right that their collective lies could be refuted by other evidence that’s been gathered, by whistleblowers (like in the Comey report) or anyone that might have “flipped”

          Good observation.

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  4. Bogeyfree says:

    The Cliff Notes Version:

    To get impeachment, they needed obstruction. To get obstruction they needed an investigation. To get the investigation they needed evidence (the dossier). To change the dossier from oppo-research to evidence they needed a target. The target was Carter Page.

    Spot On Sundance – Oh how I wish PT would give you a call!

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    • bonkti says:

      This is the essential elevator speech for the benefit of those who haven’t been paying attention.

      39 words we all need to repeat early and often.

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      • LafnH20 says:

        Agreed. bonkti.

        Easy story to tell.

        A -> B -> C-> D-> E = Illegal FISA Warrant

        Illegal FISA Warrant = Illegal Investigation

        They did NOT start off with a Legal FISA Warrant (Obtained based on factual information ) and then begin SPYING….

        They CREATED the conditions (out of thin air) to Obtain a FISA Warrant ILLEGALLY …. In an attempt to Vacate The Presidency of Donald J Trump; thereby Taking Control of the VERY “Government of The United States!”

        TREASON

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    • Albertus Magnus says:

      Sundance has this figured out. But PDJT is not trying to see anyone go to jail, particular the higher ups. Any notion to the contrary requires us to ignore his own interviews, ignore what we have seen for the last 2 years, and just allow ourselves to fall for the tick-tock peddlers marketing and promoting stories to tick us off so we will watch, click, listen to and donate.

      Let’s be smarter than that. We need to be.

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      • MVW says:

        Two possible reasons Trump would have sabotaged the payback legal action against these criminals that tried to illegally stop his successful campaign:
        1. Podesta and Trump night of Trumps 2016 upset win made a deal, no drawn out legal battle stopping Trump from becoming sworn in on January 21, 2017.
        2. Trump made a deal with the ‘Deepest State,’ the ‘Cabal,’ the mythological super org running the Gruberments.

        The point is that Trump is giving us a rework of America in rapid, impossible time considering Uniparty RepubliRats before 2018 loss of the house that gave us huge tax cuts, etc., then the House passing to DemoRats in 2018, plus so many other impossible victories. Not a bad price, no justice for the worst criminal action by Obama / Hillary & Crooks Inc., no ‘lock her up,’ no Epstein to bring down the pedophiles in the world ‘elite’. No justice, and a delay in fixing the corrupt FBI & DOJ.

        No, this is all just drama for Joe & Jill America. There are so many tells that this is so. Here’s one, Comey acts with certainty that he will skate. Lois Lerner got off free. etc

        Chase this squirrel around the tree for 8 years. I gave up on it long ago for good reason. We got Trump & MAGA.

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        • Tl Howard says:

          He has an election coming up. To identify AND GO AFTER the number one bad guy in all this, Barack H. Obama, would be trouble.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Sorry, to disagree, TI HOWARD.
            #1 Badguy is Mitch McConnell.
            HE and RepubliCONS in CONgress, ordered Roosterhead to whitewash Benghazi, Lerner, Fast and Furious.

            And, he was fully on board with the Obstruction trap, because it,would give him an excuse, to instruct his,caucus say they would vote to impeach.

            And thats the,reason Comey etc. are confident they will skate; because,the whole thing leads not JUST,to Obama, but right to CONgresses door step.

            Particularly the gang of seven.
            Oh, and thru the SSIC, they were “all in” on the,2012 abuse of the NSA database, 702 searches, all of it.

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            • Raptors2020 says:

              You’re making Paul Ryan jealous, Dutch. He wants his share of the credit, too.

              McConnell is equanimous enough to work with President Trump, at times very grudgingly. Ryan couldn’t wait to get away from Trump.

              Ryan may be dying to blast Trump, except Trump has the goods on him, and as we well know, will respond in kind.

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              • Dutchman says:

                OMG, You are so right. I apologise for forgetting Paul, I guess because he’s out, and so not doung more damage, whereas McConnell is still in, and thwarting PDJT on Cabinet appointments, recess appointments, giving him the legislation he has asked for, …
                But, Paul said do taxes, and we will give you immigration, and bauked. Opened baseless, bogus ethics investigation on Nunes, didn’t use the legal authority available to him as Speaker, didn’t use legislation to force,Dem house members to votevon unpopular,side of key issues,…..
                Oh, and as Speaker, and Third in Line, his participation in the,Soft Coup was particularly aggregious.
                There, does that give credit where due, to Paul Ryan?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Two possible reasons Trump would have sabotaged the payback legal action against these criminals

          Literally NO evidence that this has happened.

          I gave up on your post after reading your post.

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      • L4grasshopper says:

        Listen: Trump’s hands were completely tied until the Mueller activity was ended, and that only happened a few weeks ago when his appearance in Congress blew up the hopes of the Dems and GOP NeverTrumpers.

        In addition: This IG investigation regarding the FISA process is seminal to the whole spying construct. So until IT got completed, doing other stuff that might be related or integral to it would have been premature.

        Barr was only sworn in as AG 7 months ago!!! And he immediately spiked Mueller’s circus, and then appointed Durham. Durham has only been on the job officially since May!!!

        Look…we are all frustrated by this stuff. And if Barr and Durham are another Robert Wray redux, then the Republic is in trouble.

        But I don’t think so. I think Barr was being sincere when he said that yes, spying occurred, and that he was determined to find out if it was justified.

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      • gsonFIT says:

        Agree on the clickbait, but PDJT says “Witch Hunt…must never be allowed to happen again”

        The FBI is a zombie agency.

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      • LafnH20 says:

        Albertus Magnus,

        As you know, President Trump does not have the authority to send/not send anyone to jail/prison. Anymore than he has the authority to release them. (Pardons notwithstanding)

        The President does not send people to jail/prison…

        The DOJ, via the Constitution, has that responsibly.

        Whether The President wants to, or not.

        Wouldn’t the President offering to NOT DO something with regard to “Possible Criminal Action(s)” in exchange for “Assurances”.. be an imprudent thing to do?

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      • Linda K. says:

        I don’t think we know what Trump wants or not, but he keeps repeating that Bill Barr will handle it and he’s a great AG. I would say though, that Trump likes to punch back and these intel people really screwed with him and the country.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        But PDJT is not trying to see anyone go to jail, particular the higher ups.

        Not sure where you’re getting this.
        He was willing to give a pass during the transition to HRC but that was long before he realized exactly what the CABAL was trying to do and had done.

        Listen to John Dowds podcast interview with Byron York.

        They thought the “Russia Investigation” was regular old DC Swamp bullshit and would be disproved and OVER by DEC 2017.

        It was early-mid 2018 when Mueller SHOULD have ended his investigation and things like the NUNES MEMO started revealing the ACTUAL PLOT.

        Every move OR LACK OF MOVE has been to foil that plot and POTUS has said:
        “This can never happen to another President again”

        He DID NOT say the method by which that will be ensured.

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    • Bill Durham says:

      No offense, but POTUS knows a helluva lot more than us. Do you think he sits in the corner and gets jerked around by the staff? If you were POTUS would you need to read a website to get your info? I think he knew what happened in March 2017 when he sent that infamous tweet. Now what he does about it is another issue. And how much he tells us is another issue.

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      • Albertus Magnus says:

        Amen. But to recognize that truth upsets some people because then they believe he promised to lock them up, which he NEVER did and they cannot handle the discrepancy between the reality and those things they have convinced themselves are going to happen.

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        • 🍺Gunny66 says:

          Albert,

          You state:

          “They believe”
          “They have convinced themselves what’s going to happen”

          Yes, both of these statements are true, but are not issues or causes for the President to take action.

          I believe the President has a bold plan that will be executed. But he cannot alter this plan every time people get pre- conceived notions or are impatient for action.

          The swamp is very deep. There are still many traitors in hiding. Much has been exposed already……..mostly due to his patience.

          And……any bold action now…..”prior” to the election may create a Government crisis…….which is exactly what the Dems want……

          Th President knows all what is going on……”That” is the main reason he can be patient……….Like a cat playing with a mouse…..

          Let Trump be Trump

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          • A Moderate Man says:

            I think you are right to an extent Gunny. But surely PDJT has seen that extraneous but serious things can happen out of his control that could derail the impact. If he waits to long, maybe at the same time China has NOKO launch a few missiles at Japan and then what?

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            • Dutchman says:

              A.MM
              IMHO, last first; China can’t get Kim to test intercontinental ballistic missiles, test nukes, or launch missiles that hit anything.
              Short range shots into the Ocean? Fine.

              THATS the,deal, and,Kim is sticking to it.
              Anything China could,do, PDJT has,ALREADY gamed it out. Iran toi.

              And been saying same,as Gunny. Very few if any PDJT supporters are actually not going to vote for him, if there,are no perp walks.

              On the other hand, trials with MSM playing up the “this is political retributiin” defence could actually lose him some votes.

              He doesn’t benefit from trials, politically and it could hurt him.

              Oh, and suppose he has,Kim visit the,W.H. in say,,OCTOBER and sign papers, formally declaring the,Korean war over?

              SURPRISE!
              Actually and technically, its an aknowledgement of reality, but symbolically, like,PDJT walking into NK, its YUGE.

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      • usayes says:

        Art of the Deal – see “revenge.” VSGPDJT will lower the hammer as only he can – of that, I am certain.

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      • Arrest Soros says:

        @Bill Durham
        Yeah I agree mate. We also had confirmation that PDJT knows plenty when the Comey memos came out.
        PDJT questioned Comey about McCabe. PDJT knew McCabe was a dirty cop from the get go, so he knows plenty.

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      • Raptors2020 says:

        Powerful people, including Trump, are routinely manipulated by their staff. Gary Cohn was removing documents from Trump’s desk he didn’t want him to sign, or even see. The Chief of Staff has a lot of say over who gets in to see the President, and who doesn’t.

        I think the March, 2017 tweet you refer to was that he’d been wiretapped? That came from a front page story in the New York Times. The Times screwed up and later quietly scrubbed that story in their archives. CNN may bitterly regret pursuing the Comey Memos.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        I think he knew what happened in March 2017 when he sent that infamous tweet.

        I don’t think he understood the significance or scale of what it REALLY meant though.

        Doubtful NSA Director Admiral Rogers knew everything either…..but had enough suspicions, it appears, to at least warn Trump about what he did know for sure.
        (Like he notified the FISA court)

        John Dowd (in Byron York’s podcast ) explains they thought this “Russia stuff”
        was just more DC Swamp crappola and would be OVER by Dec 2017.
        Which is why they bent over backwards to cooperate with Mueller.

        It appears they came to realize the true scope in early-mid 2018.
        And everything since has been calculated to putting it down.

        This OIG FISA report has been in process since before Barr and politically and logistically it makes perfect sense to let it come to completion on it’s own
        without any interference from Barr
        EXCEPT TO ASSIST IT WITH MORE INFORMATION
        and making it more fulsome.

        There’s a lot of PROPHETS here on CTH
        Who have been ‘I TOLDYA SO-ING” FOR MONTHS about a Report
        THEY HAVEN’T SEEN

        Hmmm……where have I heard that before?
        Oh Yeah…..

        “BOMBSHELL!!”
        “The noose is tightening!”
        “The walls are closing in!”
        “It’s the beginning of the end!”

        Turns out the CTH PROPHETS HAVE learned a lot from the MSM this past 2 years.

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    • billinlv says:

      ….and since the target was Carter Page, he was absolutely relevant and important…..and most likely in on the scam. Carter Page is not a good guy.

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      Instead of giving Sundance a call, make him an S.C. I would hope his first addition to the team would be the lurking lawyer, ristvan. Have to wait for Sidney. She’s busy for a while longer.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Awesome!

      For the upcoming FISA report specifically you can use this one

      The snake eating it’s tail analogy.

      To get the UNVERIFIED Steele Dossier
      VERIFIED
      they had to first put it in a FISA warrant
      which doesn’t allow UNVERIFIED material in it.

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  5. Kleen says:

    We are dealing with dangerous criminals.

    Their victims have been through hell. Some died in jail.

    Iraq war was based on Clapper’s fake intel. Thousands died and Iraq is mess.

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  6. evergreen says:

    But….Carter Page just “happened” to be there, waiting to be burned as a source? There are two parts to this. 1) Page was sent for a purpose to the Trump orbit, and 2) he was used for a purpose perhaps other than the original. Or not.

    Page is acting, but I can’t tell what play, because it’s pretty bad.

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    • billinlv says:

      I agree with evergreen…..Page was never not working for the deeply corrupt FBI and was in on the scam and he is a very bad actor.

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      • Dutchman says:

        According to Page, when he worked with the FBI, as an IC on the,Russians they offered to pay him, and he turned it down, said it was his patriotic duty.

        FBI agents probably thought he was a fool. “Idiot, we could get him $30-50,000 for this, at LEAST! Is this guy for REAL?”

        Then after the busted the Russuans, they told him what they wanted him to testify to (lies, perjury) and he refused.

        So, they thought he,was an idiot, and of no use,to them as a CI, as they couldn’t shape his,testimony. AND he had,a previous history that involved Russians.

        Personally, I think he,was a patsy. As Sundance has layed out, they just needed SOMEONE in the,Trump campaign. He didn’t HAVE,to be in on it.

        Until I see clear evidence otherwise, I am not convinced by speculation, based on his demeanor.

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        • evergreen says:

          Well, he can’t exactly admit he took money that was not declared to the IRS now, could he?

          The ruse works on at least two levels.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Sorry, I just ain’t buying it, agree to disagree. I have some sympathy for ALL the people whose lives have been upended because THEY wanted to “f*ck Trump”, and didn’t care how many peoples lives they ruined.
            Manafort, Cohen, Flynn, PapaD, that Russian gal, and yeah Carter Page.

            No one that I have seen has posted anything to prove that he was other than a dupe. Given the scum in the FBI/DOJ I feel until there is such proof, its ,…irresponsible to post that he for sure is,…anything. None of us know the guy.
            Imagine you had some expertise, that you thought might help the DJT campaign, and so you volonteered. And, sure MAYBE you thought thatcif he won, you might get avjob out of it.
            And then you are used by the plotters, as part of their plan to ‘get Trump’; now you need lawyers, your name and picture are in all the papers, your interviewed on TV, and all sorts of people,are impugning your motives, and accusing you of all sorts of things.
            Just doesn’t seem right to me, sorry.

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        • raptors2020 says:

          Did Page agree to be spied on, paid or not? Surely when it comes to this FISA scandal, that’s an essential fact.

          Can you imagine the debacle if the FISA signees are charged, then Page gets on the witness stand and says “I gave Comey permission to spy on me.” A dark day for American justice..

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          • Dutchman says:

            Oh, its already black as pitch, for American Justice. THATS why we need Sunlight!

            And yeah, getting a FISA warrant on someone that agreed to it, would be,..weird.

            Something haven’t seen mentioned much. In order to spy on an American citisen with FISA, Susan Rice as Nat. Sec. Advisor had to ‘sign off’, BEFORE they could submit the application.

            Not necesary for foreign nationals, but requried for U.S. citisens.
            Will this be included in the report? Or will that be buried in classified appendix?

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            • dwpender says:

              I think you’re onto to something here. We spend a lot of time discussing Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Yates, Ohr, McCabe, Strozk, etc,, and justifiably so. IF we ever get to the bottom of the origins and management of this entire nefarious enterprise, IMO Susan Rice will turn out to be a central player in the entire thing.

              Lisa Page’s text: “[Redacted] says ‘this is being run out of the White House.’ ‘ I hope Barr unredacts this name ASAP so we can say who said this, and who was doing the “running.”

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              • Dutchman says:

                Of coarse it was ‘run out of the W.H., and Obama wanted to be kept apprised.
                When a FISA app is,submitted to the FISC court, in a U.S. Citisen, either the POTUS or Natl. Security advisor must sign a waiver.
                But there was an unholy alliance between OBAMA WH and CONgressional Uniparty leadership, to enact policy changes detrimental to the country, “by any means necesary”.

                We say “politicising” intelligence. But its not Rep vs. Dem, as,..for instance Watergate.
                POLitics is about shaping POLicy, note the same root syllable. They have been using illegaly obtained ‘intelligence’ (702 searches of NSA database) to influence court decisions, key votes in CONgress and hearing outcomes, perhaps media reporting, and even public statements/positions of prominent opinion makers.

                They felt they had obtained the “keys to the kingdom”, and could take the country where they wanted with impunity, and NOTHING could stop them,…and then that bad orange man rode down the escalator!

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      IF Page was a willing participant in this FISA warrant.
      AND Comey and his Investi-COUP friends actually SAID this to Horowitz.

      Then THEY ARE SCREWED.

      Because in one fell swoop they have handed Barr the ANSWER to the question he posed from the GET-GO
      The one that got him in “hot water” with the TV people in the “cable news ecosystem”
      and every DEM on Capital Hill.

      “Was there SPYING?” (i.e. political surveillance)

      Because they would be simultaneously be admitting they were spying
      ON DONALD TRUMP SPECIFICALLY
      and
      THEY KNEW THE DOSSIER WAS BULLSHIT AND NOT INTEL

      Think about THEIR argument here.
      In order to get the surveillance they wanted
      (which clearly wouldn’t be PAGE)
      they had to first run a
      COUNTERINTELLIGENCE OPERATION ON THE FISA COURT ITSELF
      By filing a FAKE FISA warrant on their own CHS???

      And why would they need to do this??

      Because the STEELE DOSSIER itself would NEVER pass muster to get
      a LEGITIMATE FISA warrant
      ON THEIR INTENDED TARGET.

      Yeah…..good luck with that one.
      Even BONDO BARR cannot whitewash that away.

      ESPECIALLY since POTUS could order the declassification he said he would wanted to do TWO YEARS ago……

      Declassification that has NO STANDING to be refused since…..

      NONE OF ANY OF THIS WAS REAL

      Russian collusion
      Steele’s Dossier
      and finally under this scenario
      CARTER PAGE’S FISA WARRANT

      ALL FAKE

      Trump can order declassification based on OBAMA’s EO 13526
      Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall
      information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail
      to be declassified in order to:

      (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
      (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
      (3) restrain competition; or
      (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.

      BULLSHIT IS NOT NATIONAL SECURITY

      SD commented in a post that the swamp protects itself in all cases except

      if somebody does something SPECTACULARLY DUMB

      If they tried to use the excuse Carter Page was working for us all along…..
      well that would fall right in that category

      AND I HOPE THEY DID
      Cause it would also explain 2 years of head splitting Carter Page interviews
      (and I guess Carter would finally stop answering FOX’s phone calls)

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  7. Leon0112 says:

    Do you think Carter Page was a plant in the Trump campaign ?

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    • ozymandiasssss says:

      Yes

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    • evergreen says:

      Stzrok (or Lisa Page) said they were going to (or did) burn a source–Carter Page. Page cannot just “happen” to be attached to the Trump campaign. The odds of an FBI insider from this small group actually being in position by complete coincidence are impossible, not just improbable. Therefore, he was there for a purpose that they had in mind. Burning him means they were flipping to Plan B and ditching whatever Plan A may have been.

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      • Dutchman says:

        We have no idea HOW many people the counter intelligence division had, as CI’s.
        One came forward recently, that billionaire.
        They could have hundreds, and the kind of people that,COULD become involved in political campaigs, obviously.
        Oh, and Deripaska, the,Russian.

        In there careers,,Stroxz and McCabe probably had many people like this.

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  8. Carrie says:

    Whittaker mentioned Carter again- so it does look exactly like Sundance says, Carter was critical in bringing in the dossier, less so than Papadopoulus (although it might be being spun like that now because the entire Papadopoulus story has already surfaced with Stefan Halper- so they shift to Carter who is presumably a willing FBI informant). I am growing a bit wary about Wray having any say at all in the redaction department , but hopefully Barr pushes back hard on those senseless redactions. Please, please let there be some serious declassification documents included in this report and I’m also really hoping we find out about Sessions once and for all. It caused quite a bit of consternation on this website for a while!

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    • Lee Moore says:

      If Carter Page was a willing FBI stooge, that means he can’t sue for having his rights interfered with. But it doesn’t make the FISA warrants kosher, and it doesnt stop anyone else from suing if their communications were intercepted pursuant to a frauduently acquired FISA warrant.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        IF Carter Page was a willing FBI stooge…..

        he long ago contacted Horowitz/Barr/and or Durham to spill his beans
        to make sure when this all comes out he doesn’t end up with a Comey “affiliation”

        and minimize the blowback of
        being despised by all the FOX viewers he bullshitted the last 2 years.

        One thing is for sure…..after this FISA Report fallout ends
        Comey will no longer be useful to ANYONE and will be avoided like the plague.
        (Remember his Hatch Act violation cost HRC the election says the MSM/Dems)

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Carter was critical in bringing in the dossier, less so than Papadopoulus

      PapaD is not mentioned in the dossier so there’s no way to connect him to it.

      Page, Manafort and IIRC a later updated version, Flynn
      and of course Donald Trump
      were all mentioned in it and 3 of them we know had FISA’s

      If Page FISA is fake (i.e. he was a willing participant)…..
      and MIFSUD is a Western Intel Asset…..

      They’re 2/3 ‘s the way to proving the entire Russia story was FICTION—
      start to finish.

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  9. mg says:

    North to Alaska on the pontoon plane in safari wear eating salmon like a bear.

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  10. “To get impeachment they needed obstruction. To get obstruction they needed an investigation. To get the investigation they needed evidence (dossier). To change the dossier from oppo-research to evidence they needed a target. The target: Carter Page.”

    So succinctly stated. “THE PLAN” In A Nutshell

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  11. CopperTop says:

    Page worked both sides. He sent a letter to Comey asking to be interviewed to stop the intrusion into his life. If he thought DOJ was going to screw him…he inoculated himself with that letter

    I have mentioned in the past but good time to remind. Even if Page never ‘owned’ his role in agreeing to being ‘listened’ to, the whole business with Cohen being in the FISA also provides cover to DOJ.

    There are Woods review angles that can be covered if there is no ‘possibility’ of subjects being interviewed by the DOJ. A prevention to an ‘interview’ would be if a person has attorney client privilege. All the affiant had to assert to upper mgmt is that there is atty client privilege attached to a subject of the FISA.

    The dossier whether verified or not included the President’s atty. False FACT. But didn’t matter.

    The whole business of arresting Cohen was to get POTUS to assert that Cohen WAS his atty. The whole point of Page was to get that dossier to include Cohen.

    Therefore the coup plotters will shop for juries/judges who will deem all of this as eeking by to a FISA that is valid.

    BASTARDS.

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    • justlizzyp says:

      That letter should have stopped the FISA warrant dead in it’s tracks, should it not? My understanding of a Title 1 warrant is that it is only issued in instances where the government has NO other means of getting any info. If the target sent them a letter 1 month prior to the warrant application offering to come in any time to answer questions….

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      • CopperTop says:

        Great follow up. Been asked before and the answers were:

        A) The letter reportedly never made it to Comey. Page has the Fedex receipt that it made it to the building but no proof it got to the not to the Comey admin desk… *sigh*
        B) The application included the dossier. Once the approval is made all fruits become game as reason to continue to pursue the targeted individuals (Page) AND subjects (Manafort, Cohen,…etc). Cohen is the only one that matters here since they had FISA on everyone else already.

        REMINDER: It’s a sham. But tit’s enough for the coup plotters. They will use it to avoid going to G Jury. With the Craig fiasco …anyone in DC will find in favor of Democratic personnel and convict conservative ones it seems.

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        • justlizzyp says:

          I’m not sure it’s enough for the plotters though – it MAY be enough, provided everyone focuses only on their actions. Their defense is basically ‘we were doing exactly what we’re supposed to do when we have evidence of spying and related crimes…by the book!’
          Their biggest problems are:

          Page was never arrested or charged, in spite of 1 year of the most intrusive surveillance possible.

          There is more and more evidence showing that they should not have believed what they say they believed and that they probably didn’t believe it. And that, had they followed proper procedures COMPLETELY (by the book) they wouldn’t have found it credible. Procedure is your best friend when investigating a sensitive matter and there are far too many deviations from procedure for them to say they did everything ‘by the book’ and too much showing that if they had they’d have ended the investigation.

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        • raptors2020 says:

          Coppertop: I sense you have a lot of valuable information, but you go too fast. I get that volunteering to be interviewed partially invalidates spying (as it should in a free society), but you lose me with your Michael Cohen references.

          Tell us again how Carter Page relates to Michael Cohen?

          Or if anyone else feels qualified; draw the link from Page to Cohen.

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          • CopperTop says:

            Cohen was a false fact in the dossier. Page was under scrutiny as a Russian spy because of his association to the campaign. The application asks the court to allow spying on Page due to this association. The affiants only responsibility is to tell the court the reason that the warrant is necessary and that there are no other means to find out the same info.

            The affiant has a document that mentions a “Michael Cohen”. Whether this is the right person does not matter because they can claim they cannot interview Michael Cohen due to his attorney client privilege in matters relating to Donald Trump (subject not target of warrant) or the campaign (again subject not target of warrant). They don’t have to dilberate whether he can be interviewed; they only need to assert the bar to the interview.

            This is why Michael Cohen was arrested. If Trump said ‘he’s not my attorney’ then they would prosecute for election violations and possible FARA violation. If Trump said (and he did insist) “he’s my atty…privilege is attached” then the warrant to discover what exactly Carter Page was doing with Russians eeks by as valid. The govt just needs to assert they need to find out how could this person M Cohen who is potentially a campaign related attorney be associated with Carter Page’s trips to Moscow that same year. They can assert that they see no means to question him and the warrant is the only way.

            The government did not do this at the start but figured out how to cover themselves after the fact by arresting Cohen.

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            • OlderAndWiser says:

              Regarding Michael Cohen: Most of you do not know the history here. Michael was a partner with a fellow named Gene “The Taxi King” Friedman in the NYC taxi medallion business, which is dominated by Russian immigrants. Gene was in serious trouble with the local government and with the feds (IRS) and was being investigated prior to Trump’s election. The SDNY had him in their crosshairs.
              Gene publicly bragged about his partner being Trump’s lawyer.
              To date, Gene has not gone to jail for anything. Michael has.
              The feds used the dirt they had gotten on Cohen to squeeze him to get to Trump. Nothing personal – just a means. All the inside information is that Cohen was in serious legal trouble and did whatever he could to save himself and his family. In the end, he did go to jail, but his family was not left destitute.
              I’ve provided all the info that is known publicly; there is more known privately.
              You draw your own conclusions as to the exact conversations that occurred between the feds and Gene, and between the feds and Cohen and others.

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  12. Elric VIII says:

    …”From where I sit, and from what I know, I think it is going to be fairly dramatic, what this investigation is going to show”…

    We don’t want drama. What about indictments?

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    • ozymandiasssss says:

      He mentioned that as what sounded like a remote possibility to me

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    • Linda K. says:

      If they don’t indict these people for conspiracy or something very serious, they will have to close down the Department of Justice, the FBI and CIA as beyond repair and totally discredited and corrupt.

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  13. Bogeyfree says:

    They made up a document, used the media to help sell it, then slipped it in via back door into the FBI, who used it on the FISA Court to gain 4 FISA warrants, knowing it was bogus, all so they could spy and investigate on candidate Trump and then President Trump and his associates with the clear intention to get him to obstruct their investigation so they could impeachim.

    I want to put this on a huge sign right outside AG Barr’s office so he has to see it every frickin day!

    It was a clear coup with specific intent to take down a sitting President of the United States!

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    • Daniel M. Camac says:

      Bogey, Excellent summary! A coup is a coup is a coup no matter how you slice it.
      If the honest people in high places do not indict, prosecute and convict based on all the overwhelming evidence we know exists, then the American people will have no other recourse than to do it ourselves.

      And I don’t think anyone wants that…..but no one wanted the American Revolutionary War either did they?

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    • Carrie says:

      It’s actually just a variant of the “Wrap-Up Smear “- copyright protected by Nancy Pelosi.

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    • Kathleen Schilling says:

      And that is the insurance policy!

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  14. Pale rider says:

    AG Barr is on it.

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  15. mikeyboo says:

    POP! goes the weasel!

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  16. CNN_sucks says:

    So, Whitaker are taking over the tick tock from Hannity? Come on, man. We are starving here of justice. Sending Comey to prison is a start.

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  17. Ernesto Ledesma says:

    Dobbs, like Hannity and Ingraham make very long statements and the guest is reduced to say things like “that’s exactly right Laura”, “you are spot on Lou”. But they get millions for getting the face into my 19 inch screen every night, so what so I know.

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  18. margarite1 says:

    You know what Sundance? In a short paragraph you made perfect sense of the whole damn thing.

    l wish everyone would read your blog. You are the Thomas Paine of our time….and at an equally critical time. I really appreciate what you do.

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  19. California Joe says:

    Carter Page was the FBI’s own boy and they used him against the Russians for ten years. Page was never a Russian operative so any FISA application that claimed he was….WAS FRAUD! 18 USC 1001. The Feds have prosecuted thousands of people for fraud against the government and I know because I was part of it. So, start prosecuting Comey, McCabe, Strzok and Page then get Lynch, Brennan, Clapper and Obama!

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  20. RJ says:

    “Punishment…Disciplinary action?

    These are weasel words offered up by Whitaker…then he drops indictment. Who are you kidding?

    This guy’s presentation is merely to show the “escape road” that is going to take place and how it is to be sold to the American people.

    This lawyer has no idea how to speak to the average American citizen.. What a con job he is presenting. No anger, just words that say expect the game to be played out this way.

    Here is the roadmap to letting the bad guys off the hook! I have no faith this “skinhead” intends to tell us the truths of the matters before the American people, he is heralding the forthcoming escape plans of those who are dirty!

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  21. GB Bari says:

    IMHO, the only thing that would be “dramatic” for most long term Treepers (who’ve followed the saga via Sundance’s painstaking research and analysis) is if the top 8 or 10 coup conspirators are actually indicted, prosecuted, and convicted. Anything less is and has been simply maintaining the status quo.

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  22. Bryan Alexander says:

    There are likely dozens, if not hundreds, of CIA/FBI affiliated people who are “on the payroll”. Or put another way, if they are needed, the change jobs to get into a specific sphere of activity so that they can be sources for the FBI/CIA.

    Carter Page was a CIA source//informant in Russia. He likely knew he was going to be used as a source for the CIA/FBI working for Trump. His bumbling, no-nothing cluelessness is all an act.

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    • American Heritage says:

      Page has disconcerting, never-changing facial expression that looks as if he has been trained like an actor to never betray any real feelings. He’s always wide eyed and almost smiling no matter what he says or what is said to him. I’m inferring spy training of some kind.

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  23. Don McAro says:

    I ma but mad…north north west

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  24. Garavaglia says:

    I had a fairly good day.

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  25. MikeN says:

    This doesn’t make sense. The dossier was written and the FISAs were acquired before Trump was elected, and before any Mueller investigation.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      These things were attempts to scuttle Trump’s candidacy, but they were also insurance policies in case he won.

      I see lots of people think it was to all disappear when Cankles lost. I disagree. They were going to make an example of Trump after he lost. Primarily to make sure no interlopers ever dared contest them again. But, does anyone think the Hag was going to rest until she saw Trump locked up the way his supporters chanted about her?

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    • Amy2 says:

      Wasn’t the last one after he was in office? What I’m stuck on, is what was the required NEW info that warranted the last three?

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      • LafnH20 says:

        Good question, Amy2.

        Prolly based on “Findings” born out of the Illegal Investigation or maybe ole nellie… or mayb….
        🤔
        Illegal Investigation…

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    • Jambo says:

      It was an insurance policy. In the unlikely event that Hillary lost then the pieces would be in place to attempt to remove the rightful President.

      Thankfully for the USA President Trump is an honourable man and did not obstruct even thought they tried every trick in the book to make him do so.

      The impeachment will go ahead based on nothing, which is good for 2020, but if the coup plotters walk then that’s terrible for the future of the country.

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    • Allard Otten says:

      They were setting up to destroy Trump after Hillary won.

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  26. Bill Durham says:

    Yes albertus. What we want to happen and what POTUS wants to happen are 2 different things. All he promised is to declassify and that it should never happen again to another president. POTUS knows how to play the game. For all we know, POTUS may want to use what he has as leverage. They pulled a Hoover on him. He may want to pull a Hoover on them. Donald Trump can play dirty too. I would be more concerned with that than jail. If he sits on enough things, how many favors can he call in? How much of his agenda does he get? What if he had Mitch in his Back pocket for 5 more years? What is that worth? What if he can leverage most of the swamp? What’s more important, his agenda or a few skunks in jail?

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    • romy911 says:

      President Trump’s agenda and election to a second term is the MOST important. They (US Congress, Wall Street, Hollywood, Academia, Canada, China, Iran, France, Britain, Germany and the leaders and powerful of many more countries) are continuing to try to remove him or keep him from being re-elected.
      As disappointing as all this is, we have to support and do everything we can to re-elect President Trump. He was never supposed to be President and “they” are not going to give up.

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    • john says:

      Since he is limited in term Id say his agenda and jail/gallows are equally important. One will be completely dismantled and todays status quo reestablished without the other.

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  27. Mac says:

    I’m going to have to disagree here. The Steele Dossier was largely irrelevant to the Mueller SC operation. Naming a SC required a criminal investigation. All that the Dossier would supply would be “corroboration” for the Counter Intel operation, which would not suffice to trigger a SC investigation. Also, the timing for the use of the Dossier was well before the election. And, it was used to justify a Title I FISA warrant on Page, to allow nearly unfettered surveillance of the Trump Campaign. The Dossier was originally concocted as a political weapon to keep the Trump/Russia Collusion meme alive through the campaign. But, the FISA court, was reluctant to issue a T1 warrant based upon the information which the FBI provided. Hence the use of the Dossier, along with a friendly judge. The media loved the SD, because they were totally committed to the Collusion fairy tale. But, it did nothing for any potential impeachment attempt, if Trump won, which the conspiracy did not expect to happen.

    Once Trump won the election, the conspiracy had to change gears, again. Now it had to come up with a way remove Trump from office. It boiled down to the 25th Amendment or impeachment. As Rosenstein pointed out, famously, the 25th was out. So, what crimes could they drum up to justify impeachment. How about obstruction of justice? It worked against Nixon. So, they set up Flynn, hoping that Trump would shut down the investigation. That did not work. So, they run Rosenstein in as a stalking horse to get Trump to fire Comey. This is successful and Andrew McCabe opens a criminal obstruction investigation, with Trump as the target, the day after Comey is fired. Within days, Mueller is named SC and both the Collusion CoI investigation and the Obstruction criminal investigation are transferred to the SC’s office. And, it was game on.

    The reason that this whole fiasco is falling like a house of wet cards is because it was a slap-dash series of operations, the objectives of which were never realized, which required the conspirators to engage in ever more risky activities to be successful. However, they were never successful. And, that places them at increased risk.

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    • JL says:

      The 25th Amendment was never really an option, because all Trump had to do to counter it was write a letter saying it isn’t necessary, and it’s nullified. It was never written or intended to be used to remove a President who is not incapacitated.

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      • raptors2020 says:

        That would require a Supreme Court Test, would it not? What the 25th means, since its never been invoked? The constant talk from day 1 of the Trump Presidency, about Trump’s mental health, surely has a purpose beyond name-calling. Why would mental illness not be grounds to remove a President? A crazy President could still write your letter.

        The third option, being overlooked here, is to force the President to resign. They failed to oust Andrew Johnson or Clinton, but they got Nixon to resign. And this time they were following the Saturday Night Massacre blueprint; get Trump to fire Mueller, then offer resignation or impeachment.

        The turmoil surrounding the attempted invocation of the 25th might have been enough to drive Trump to resign. The news media could certainly be counted on to call for his resignation with near-unanimity. After enough tumult, the Republican Party senior leadership march to the White House and demand Trump resign, for the good of the country. That’s what they did to Nixon.

        I think that was the plan. Drive Trump out, by hook or by crook. Why it failed, we’ll someday know. When he wouldn’t go, they moved to plan B, the Mueller probe. I reject the possibility, on common-sense grounds, that they were prepared to wait, at the outset, 2 years for a special counsel to conduct a sham investigation, followed by an impeachment circus. They wanted Trump gone. Now!

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        • gnome says:

          A crazy president could well let the Supreme Court know he is capable of retaking the office. If the people want a crazy president they have the right to elect one, and the Cabinet or the Supreme Court have no right to interfere. One man’s crazy is the people’s reformist.

          It’s called democracy.

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        • Mac says:

          If the conspirators could have found something either criminal or extremely salacious on him or any member of his family, they would probably have tried to use it to force him out of office. But, they had been digging for at least a year, by the time he was inaugurated, and had found nothing which would cause his resignation. The SC investigation was multifaceted. It was designed to tie up the President and his administration to keep him from realizing his agenda. At the same time it was being used to attempt to build a case for impeachment against Trump. And, the SC investigation ran for as long as it did, because they kept hoping to find something or to get one of those indicted to compose incriminating testimony against Trump. Once the House went Dem, in 2019, then the SC tent was quietly folded and the impeachment operation was turned over to that body.

          Remember, this whole series of operations, against Trump, were responses to events that the conspirators did not foresee. And, the biggest thing that they failed to foresee was Trump’s election. There was NO impeachment plan until after the election. Then a crime had to be manufactured to justify both impeachment and the SC investigation. That “crime” was obstruction of justice based upon the firing of James Comey, which was engineered by Rod Rosenstein who then turned right around and appointed a SC to investigate the action that he justified in writing to Trump. The frosting on that cake was that, as Rosenstein had provided the justifying opinion for firing Comey, he should have immediately recused himself from any over-sight of the obstruction investigation. But, that never happened.

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        • jl says:

          The 25th amendment was ratified in 1967. The meaning and intent is fairly well known and understood, as it is a relatively modern amendment. It has been invoked multiple times by multiple presidents. Often when entering the hospital for surgery, or as in the case of the assassination attempt on Reagan. George W, invoked it a few times for colonoscopies.

          Section 4 is the part that has never been invoked. It was intended for situations where the President is not able to invoke the sections that temporarily pass power to the VP. I don’t think it ever even occurred to congress that it could be used to remove a President that the opposing party thinks is crazy. In order for the President’s “I’m fine” letter to be overruled, it requires support of the VP and a majority of the principals in the cabinet OR a 2/3rds majority of both the House and the Senate.

          Not going to happen, and if Democrats attempted it and failed, it would have disastrous repercussions for them.

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  28. Jim in TN says:

    Never forget, Whitaker was Session’s Chief of Staff. Once Sessions was recused, it was Whitaker’s job to turn a blind eye to all these shenanigans that he is now criticizing.

    And, for all the fun it was watching Whitaker deal with Congress, he did not do much to fix this mess when he was acting AG.

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    • Arrest Soros says:

      Exactly Jim.
      I don’t trust Whitaker in the lest. He was acting AG for a few months and did nothing despite the reasonable assumption that he had a good idea what the cabal was up to while he (Whittaker) was Sessions Chief.
      Don’t take anything this crook (or clueless, take your pick) says at face value.

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    • JL says:

      Something that people kind of miss, is that the AG is a political appointment. The vast majority of DOJ employees are career employees. If an AG starts micromanaging the department and making individual prosecutorial and investigative decisions and ignoring the organizational structure, that AG corrupts all those investigations and prosecutions.

      AG’s have to follow policy and procedure. They can enforce the rules, but they can’t make decisions that they aren’t prescribed to make.

      Technically they can, but then you turn into a Holder or Lynch. We’re better than that.

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  29. JRD says:

    Americans aren’t looking for drama.
    We have plenty of that from the “drama queens” in the DC swamp and their lying media.

    Americans wants ACTION.
    We want people to be held accountable for their seditious actions.

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  30. pucecatt says:

    Didn’t Carter Page work on McCains campaign? This guy Page gets around and I also think the guy knew what he was doing and was sent into the Trump campaign by not only CIA , FBI and McCain .

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    • evergreen says:

      I recall reading a long time ago that Page was either a donor to Clinton or traveled in her circles, in a comfortable, fellow traveler way. Don’t recall where I read it.

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  31. Zorro says:

    Trust Stealth Matt.

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  32. Genie says:

    Strzok declined to tell Jordan when he first saw the “dossier.” Steele and Nellie were likely told to keep cranking out additional parts as situations developed, including weaving in Carter Page. If nothing else, these guys are party good at adapting the plan as they go.

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  33. Ausonius says:

    I am not so sure America wants action: how many could even come close to explaining just the major dots, the major ins-and-outs?

    America is employed, starting businesses, expanding businesses, and watching President Trump providing Chinese checkmates to the Chinese spies and thieves who have cudgeled us for 20 years.

    I think President Trump knows this, and senses that only a very small percentage of us (I include myself) would like to see some indictments, jail time, and a general comeuppance against these conspirators of a near coup d’etat. I think he might sense, however, that – politically – such things are a losing proposition which risks turning these people into “martyrs” and also risks distracting America from America’s main business…namely, business.

    He will lament them, he will speak the truth about them, he will crow about their failure to unseat him, but I have a sense that their prosecution is just not a priority…which explains why Shrillary is allowed to run loose.

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    • Allard Otten says:

      Hillary is going to skate because she will claim that the emails on the server were placed there by a hacker. That’s why she made the big deal of reading her emails in Venice the other day. Those are ‘her’ emails, she ‘doesn’t know’ how the ones erased/found on the server could have gotten there.

      The server is tainted evidence, because the custody chain has been screwed with, so some poor eastern block hacker/sucker will have to take the rap for planting manipulated emails.

      This is a dog and pony show. The real story is incriminating evidence that the deep state places on personal computers that is used for blackmail, That dirty business has to be unraveled and exposed while still protecting innocents who have been victimized. If the perps know some clemency will be involved by agreeing not to release damaging and false info on victims, that would be the route traveled, rather than having them know that they will be hanged at dawn, so release they the dirt because there’s nothing left to lose. McCabe, for example, says he has dirt on everybody. That doesn’t mean it’s all true.

      Highest priority at this point is to expose and neutralize rogue operators in the justice system and invoke protections to stop it from happening again, all while protecting innocent victims. We don’t need a Beslan 2.0.

      My opinion.

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  34. chojun says:

    I feel like based on what we can understand from McCabe’s strategy the dossier was important to obtain the FISA warrant(s). They needed the FISA as an insurance policy against illegal spying that had been done prior. The dossier was sloppily assembled; everyone in the dossier’s chain of custody knew it was dubious political research but moved forward with it anyway.

    This fact alone means it was a strategy hatched from desperation. Their insurance policy in case Trump were elected.

    When read from a certain perspective the Strzok-Page texts not only reveal political bias but also reveal confirmation bias likely created by Brennan’s EC which originated crossfire hurricane. The FBI very likely believed Brennan’s bullshit until interviews with Steele at the DOJ began to show that they had been manipulated the entire time. FISA became their exit strategy.

    The plan to remove Trump likely didn’t begin until around the time he was inaugurated. Mueller’s appointment was likely always about an obstruction trap – the only way Trump could be removed using the legal system. We will probably find out that this strategy played out in Congress because of the need to impeach (Paul Ryan) and convict in the Senate (John McCain). A lot (LOT) of Congress believed the garbage they were also fed by Brennan. Don’t forget that brennan’s efforts also involved Congress.

    Don’t forget about how many GOP congresspeople retired that year. Were they forced out?

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  35. warspite2 says:

    Believe it when I see it.

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  36. xcontra says:

    Whitaker is a zero. Until the prosecutors get a few of the Weasel Squad into prison, I am going to consider Whitaker and all these guys as worthless

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  37. Zy says:

    Jerry Nadler is “fairly dramatic”.

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  38. Life Coach says:

    Carter Page is/was Naval Intelligence, UN Intelligence, Counsel on Foreign Relations, CIA & FBI. Swampy, as swampy gets. He worked for the FBI on the Russian energy case for 3 years. No one else thinks it’s strange that he just happened to find his way into the Trump campaign a mere 60 days after his case with the FBI is finished?

    What a lucky coincidence for the FBI! The opportunity to tell the FISC “Look at all his contacts with Russians” (never mind they were as part of his undercover work for the FBI), just fell right in their laps didn’t it? Suspicious cat, is suspicious.

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    • CopperTop says:

      Tucker at one point moons ago asked him “Are you a Russian Spy?”

      Answer:

      “No I am not a “russian” spy.”

      Implication at the time was that both he and Tucker knew what he meant by his remark. That he worked IC for years and that he was working IC while on the Trump campaign.

      Whether he was complicit in how he was used is a matter of ‘measure’. By an arm or a fingernail. The latter with a bamboo skewer possibly a la George Papa.

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  39. xsnake ralf says:

    On the edge of my seat…..since “fast ‘n furious.” Decade ago?
    Benghazi…..VA scandal….IRS scandal…..the old bag’s emails….and on ‘n on.
    I’m at the point now…..just let me know when someone……anyone…..gets indicted.

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  40. franz dorn says:

    Has anybody seen this. This chick is Sundance on steroids.http://allnewspipeline.com/Grand_Jury_Hears_Evidence_Against_Former_FBI_Director.php

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  41. Jim Comey is a weasel_Doug says:

    As much as I and everyone else here wants to see people locked up, remember, these criminals were CUNNING law enforcement top dogs. They met and discussed this frequently. I’m certain CYA was involved in all their discussions. What “reasonable doubt” arguments they could raise as they went along.
    These rat bastards were The sleaziest of the sleazes. It excruciating to say but it will take someone flipping on the entire scheme and a smoking 155 mm howitzer to convict.

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  42. jojotom01 says:

    “I can’t remember the poster here (Wolfgang, Wolfpack??)”

    Is this the post you are referring to (Jumpin’ Ju-Ju Bones, What a Year, December 31, 2017):
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/31/jumpin-ju-ju-bones-what-a-year/

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  43. appraisher says:

    The fact that no one involved in this completely exposed, ham-handed attempt at a Palace Coup has been put in prison yet is…Breathtakingly Dramatic!

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  44. OlderAndWiser says:

    “Michael Steele”? This guys is clueless. Another empty suit.

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  45. jx says:

    The last paragraph is excellent. It’s such a succinct summary.

    Whitaker speaking about “discipline or even prosecutions”… what planet is this guy on? Discipline? HR action doesn’t cut it, Whitaker.

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  46. ezgoer says:

    IMO Trump is resigned that nobody will be indicted or prosecuted for the coup attempt. He’ll be happy if the whole thing is dropped as long as they leave him alone and stop trying to impeach him.

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  47. Deplorable Canuck says:

    “To get impeachment, they needed obstruction. To get obstruction they needed an investigation. To get the investigation they needed evidence (the dossier). To change the dossier from oppo-research to evidence they needed a target. The target was Carter Page.”

    There it is in a nut shell, the whole damn conspiracy. Brilliantly summarized!

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  48. Nessie509 says:

    Maybe President Trump has a choice? Indictment of a few, former Department heads, or destroying the Democratic Party.
    He would likely choose the latter. That would assure his re-election, increase seats in the Senate and retake the House.
    President Trump wants to be the guy who returned America to financial greatness. If he is re-elected, he might actually reduce the debt as he said he wanted to do.

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  49. Republicanvet91 says:

    “…”From where I sit, and from what I know, I think it is going to be fairly dramatic, what this investigation is going to show”…”

    I find it interesting that Whitaker believes things are going to be fairly dramatic, while Gowdy, et. al. are suggesting we don’t get our expectations up.

    …who to believe….

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