Former AAG Matt Whitaker – Epstein's Custodial Suicide is "Fishy"…

Former Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker appears on Fox News with Lou Dobbs to discuss immigration judges and a unionization ruling.  However, when the discussion turned to Jeffrey Epstein, even AAG Whitaker said common sense tells us something about this is “fishy”.


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Apparently the Bureau of prisons moved Epstein from suicide watch to a room with bunk beds and sheets. Then his cellmate was removed. Then the guards stopped watching him. Then he hung himself with the bed sheets… Alone in the room with the bunk beds… when no-one was watching, and no-one noticed.
Oh yeah, and the FBI went to search his rapey island today.  35 days AFTER he was arrested. Three days AFTER the sealed records of his activity was unsealed; and two days AFTER his suicide.  What were they waiting for?…
Yeah.  “Fishy”!

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605 Responses to Former AAG Matt Whitaker – Epstein's Custodial Suicide is "Fishy"…

  1. WSB says:

    The internet is fired up about Whitaker’s comments!

      • Darrell Michael Richardson says:

        Bingo……

        • Pedro Morales says:

          Lots of seafood references on CTH. This is “fishy” and the Archey Declarations smell like a “five day old dead fish”. I am so hungry that I am going to order a fried scallop platter from Red Lobster!

      • pocaMAGAjunta says:

        C’mon buddy… Quick now, git on the stretcher. Lolita Express on the tarmac waiting.

      • Marygrace Powers says:

        “FISHY” – HERE’S FISHY….
        If these facts are true (it’s WDIM)
        Epstein was indeed SUICIDED.
        (FULL BLOWN HILLIARY “SUPPORTERS”)
        August 12, 2019
        Clinton Union Bosses Of Epstein Prison Guards Mysteriously Own $26 Million Luxury Properties In China
        By: Sorcha Faal
        A mind-shattering highly classified “Of Special Importance” new Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today is expressing “extreme concern” [беспокойство] over the mysterious actions this past fortnight of two top union leaders associated with Hillary Clinton—the first being J. David Cox Sr.—President of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE)—who had purchased for him a $20 million 7 room luxury villa in Shanghai-China—
        and the second being Serene Gregg–President of the American Federation of Government Employees Local 3148—who had purchased for her a $6 million luxury apartment in Beijing-China—both of whom controlled the hiring and scheduling of prison guards assigned to the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City where child sex slaver Jeffrey Epstein was discovered dead—
        an ultra-secure federal prison facility known as “Manhattan’s Guantanamo” which during the past 21-years has seen only one of its inmates being able to commit suicide, and that one in 1998—
        and both of whose union leaders Cox and Gregg fully supporting Hillary Clinton to be president—but after whose loss to President Donald Trump in 2016, saw both Cox and Gregg, in February-2018, openly attacking him over union prison guard staffing at this New York City prison facility—
        in June-2018 saw them increasing their attacks on Trump—and yesterday saw Gregg herself shockingly asserting about one of the most secure prisons in the world: “If it wasn’t Mr. Epstein, it would have been somebody else, because of the conditions at that institution…
        It wasn’t a matter of how it happened or it happening, but it was only a matter of time for it to happen…It was inevitable”. [Note: Some words and/or phrases appearing in quotes in this report are English language approximations of Russian words/phrases having no exact counterpart.]
        http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2951.htm

        • sharon goodson says:

          Jun 01, 2011 · There is no such person as “Sorcha Faal, Russian academic” “Sorcha Faal” is actually David Booth, an American computer programmer “Sorcha” is alleged to be a Russian academic but there is absolutely no record of anyone with such a name in Russian academia. These periodic eruptions have absolutely no basis in any kind… Its ownership and funding source is unknown, and the site constantly publishes elaborate articles mixing fact and fiction with recent events to create elaborate conspiracy threads.

          • Marygrace Powers says:

            Like I said, it’s WDIM. Facts can
            be checked re: HRC buying Cox
            and Gregg (the two individuals in
            charge of hiring/scheduling the
            prison guards @ MCC – how
            convenient) luxury properties to
            the tune of $26 MIL and $6 MIL –
            PAYOFF/PAYROLL ANYONE?

        • “AMERICAN” Federation Of Government Employees – the AFGE! What the F**K are two union bosses of the United States of America government employees union doing buying multimillion dollar homes in China? Are they not supposed to be representing Americans? I repeat, WTF goes on here?

    • sunnyflower5 says:

      Wasn’t a regular correctional officer— he was Special.

    • keeler says:

      I’m sure the guard in question is recovering from this traumatic experience by visiting his family in Mexico, and when he returns he’ll schedule a press conference.
      Sure it will be canceled it at the last minute due to non-specific emotional stress requiring immediate medical intervention, but that’s ok. We’ll get all the answers we need in six months or so when he appears on the Ellen Show before disappearing forever.

    • DaughterofLiberty says:

      Annnnddd, the cameras were ‘malfunctioning’ as well.

      • Gail says:

        Now the story is that there were NO cameras in the areas where the inmates would be naked. Only in the common areas are there cameras. Unbelievable!

    • WSB says:

      According to the AP, he was not a guard but just a vanilla corrections employee. Reported by Fox News about fifteen minutes ago.

    • FrankieZee says:

      He was the guy brought in to help Epstein hang himself. The DEEP STATE is laughing in our faces.

  2. Coast says:

    I’ll never trust the FBI…and not sure I ever did. They are nothing more than a political action tool. Law enforcement agency they are not.

    • fangdog says:

      They operate like any crime family has ever operated…….same unspoken rules…….same unspoken protocol.

      • Tall Texan says:

        So true, the whole 302 “process” could have been invented by the Mafia, except the Mafia has more integrity than the FIB.

    • Georgia says:

      “The FBI is investigating” — that’s now a punchline to a joke….The joke being the FBI itself.

    • Dekester says:

      Coast,
      What is going on with the American Judiciary system is surreal.
      You have F.B.I. Leaders brazeningly committing crimes against a President of the U.S.A.
      DOJ officials too, Judges defying a President to the detriment of the nation. His supporters are in jail for basically J walking.
      Open borders…
      No wonder the Clintons, Obama’s, Bushes are all so arrogant and smug.
      What a sordid affair.
      I feel safer travelling to Mexico, from up here in Canada and I am only half joking.
      God bless PDJT

  3. Bluto says:

    How high was this bunk bed that the 6′ Epstein hung himself from?

    • WSB says:

      Why was there even a bunk?

    • Darrell Michael Richardson says:

      He never had a bunkbed the bed was bolted to the floor the ceilings are 9 feet high and there is no way he hung himself with sheets made out of paper. They are lying.

      • WSB says:

        The NY Post ‘photos’ show someone who looks like Epstein in regular jail clothing, elastic waist pants and orange t-shirt, on that gurney. Those pictures do not even make any sense. Unless, Jeffrey was taken off suicide watch.
        But then nothing else adds up.

        • Sporty says:

          It’s because everyone in the United States knows if he’s dead the klintons did it. If he’s not dead then Barr is a genius.

        • There sure is a ton of shooping going on out there…
          Now people are shooping a beak nose on all the other pics of epstein out there, as long as President Trump is in them.
          Will we ever know the truth?
          We are NEVER shown pictures of the dead these days… the question no one is asking is why are we being shown pictures of “dead” epstein???
          Why indeed…

        • littleanniefannie says:

          What was Donny Deutsch doing at the time Epstein was wheeled out? Put him on the gurney and who would know the difference, especially with some gray make-up? If the lawyers requested he come off suicide watch and the lawyers requested an observer at the autopsy, who’s to say the lawyers aren’t in on it? How about a DNA test on the “body”?
          Wonder if Chris Wray had ever been on the Lolita Express and that is the FBI urgency now?? Or did the DS call and put the screws to Wray to “lose” those pictures in the vault? Inquiring minds want to know!!

          • BitchyPants says:

            {{{{{{{{{{How about a DNA test on the “body”?}}}}}}}}}}
            With several different “testers” who are actually honest?
            Who bought the Lolita Express?
            Epstein does have a brother – Mark

          • WSB says:

            Annie, I do not trust anyone!

      • Garavaglia says:

        Yes they are

    • keeler says:

      This is story fishy as hell, so don’t assume I’m trying to argue this was a suicide.
      However, 6’2″ Aaron Hernandez managed to hang himself in a prison cell which did not have a bunk. He used the window bars and soaped the floors.
      Again: I am not saying Epstein didn’t have “help” here, and in any event different cell/circumstance and all that, but it is possible to hang oneself off relatively low objects.
      I point this out only in the interest of flagging potential rabbit holes to get lost down.

      • Peoria Jones says:

        You’re absolutely right to consider facts. Let’s not forget the famous Darwin Award recipients who’ve managed to off themselves from doorknobs, a la autoerotic asphyxiation.
        It’s even possible Epstein came and went at the same time…but I doubt it.

    • SharonKinDC says:

      Don’t need a drop, he can just lean forward and choke himself to death.

    • FrankieZee says:

      It was 5 ‘ 6″. Epstein had to bend his knees.

    • underwhelmingposter says:

      I thought the same but then recalled Robin Williams hanging himself from a door knob in a bedroom, using ties? )I may not recall correctly, so please correct if in error)

  4. Tl Howard says:

    Okay, guesses—who is the most likely person or persons to have ordered the FBI to bungle this?

  5. Tl Howard says:

    Okay, guesses—who is the most likely person or persons to have ordered the FBI to bungle this?

  6. arze says:

    Incompetent
    This “fiasco” makes Attorney General William Barr look incompetent. Is he?
    In other words: there is s – h – i – t all over his face, now.

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Was he supposed to be directly supervising the Warden?
      No? Then the shift supervisor?
      How about the psychologist who said a suicide watch was no longer needed?
      Let’s see…the guy is focused on the attempted coup of Trump, but in his spare time he’s supposed to be micromanaging the NY MCC?
      There are an awful lot of you fake conservatives around here lately ??

      • Coast says:

        If Barr was really focused on the attempted coup of Trump, then he wouldn’t have time for 45 minute interviews on various subjects….time after time.

        • L4grasshopper says:

          Really? Why is that? You an expert at multi-tasking for Cabinet Members?

        • underwhelmingposter says:

          It is a standard requirement. I for one am not upset that he attends functions or conducts press conferences. I ma very confident he can focus deeply on these things. But a Warden is perhaps 8-10 levels of management below his pay grade.
          If one is micro-managing another’s job, then they are not doing their own!

      • FPCHmom says:

        There is so much role-playing, it feels like Shakespeare in the park. It’s so easy to spot them.

      • justlizzyp says:

        I feel like the mess is more on the SDNY and this facility. I think that is why AG Barr is so ‘appalled’ and I think that’s why he’s going straight to OIG investigation. He is PI$$ED.
        I am afraid, though, that this is just one more thing pushing us toward the majority loss of confidence in our Federal Government.

        • omyword says:

          SDNY prosecutors orifice.
          One daughter of James Comey on the prosecution team.

        • omyword says:

          SDNY prosecutors orifice.
          One daughter of James Comey on the prosecution team.

        • Heika says:

          forget the OIG, just call the flippin police!

        • lemmus1 says:

          Bye-bye politically connected/protected SDNY if Barr can find even a hint of any incompetence related to Epstein death. He can clean house and their deep state protectors will have to stand aside while Barr replaces them with his people.

        • Sherri Young says:

          The IG investigation would be to look at written policies, procedures, the application thereof, staffing, etc. and make recommendations. The FBI gets to investigate the actual death. The IG and the FBI both might make criminal referrals.

        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          He is PI$$ED.
          Pissed enough to have this “conversation” with Wray?
          “Why in the (bleep) have you not (bleeping) sent a single (bleeping) FBI agent to (bleeping) “Pedophile Island” yet?….. You’re the (bleeping) FBI DIRECTOR…you (bleeping) DUMBASS!”

          • justlizzyp says:

            I was slightly encouraged to learn that this is actually a follow up raid. They searched all his properties when he was arrested. Not sure what they’re looking for but with that many people it seems like they had something specific in mind.

      • deeperinfo says:

        ROLe playing
        CONservative
        Thank you for the educating link Sundance

      • WSB says:

        PS…I have been attempting to find out just who the warden is, and cannot seem to find anything no matter where I look!

      • Sherri Young says:

        Besides that, the (new) DAG is between AG Barr and the divisions.
        https://www.justice.gov/agencies/chart

      • Bendix says:

        Yes, if necessary.
        It’s like Hillary, with Benghazi.
        When she said she left it to the experts(security) but didn’t bother to have someone check to see what was done, and report back to her.
        It’s not as if there weren’t plenty of warnings.

      • arze says:

        Has anyone taken responsibility yet for this fiasco? AG William Barr did not, during his press conference this morning — in which he said with a straight face that the Epstein case was/is “very important.”
        Where does the buck stop, if not with Barr — Little Bo Peep? She only lost track of her sheep — not a major criminal — in a matter that had already captivated the nation.
        The role and duty of the USA AG includes supervising and directing . . . the Bureau of Prisons.
        “The mission of the Office of the Attorney General is to supervise and direct the administration and operation of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Bureau of Prisons, Office of Justice Programs, and the U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals Service, which are all within the Department of Justice.”
        https://www.justice.gov/jmd/organization-mission-and-functions-manual-attorney-general
        According to Rudy Giuliani, from today: “. . .it is best to wait for some key facts like the findings of the autopsy.”
        https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1160888250996854784
        So, we don’t know cause of death, yet, about someone that supposedly was asphyxiated? Put Mueller in charge of that — at least we know we will get it in no more than 22 months.
        A state cop in Massachusetts was gunned down while in the line of duty Aug. 31, 1951. The next day the medical examiner wrote clearly on the troopers death certificate — cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds. However, the case was never solved, and to this date, no records have been released because no one has yet been charged with that alleged crime.
        When Epstein was arrested, my thought at the time was, why now — and if now: then the only rational reason was to, at bare minimum — ensure that Epstein not be killed, or kill himself.
        There is a lot to be “appalled” at on this. And it is a fair question to ask: does Barr, now, possess the integrity to continue as AG?
        The dilemma many of us are grappling with is: who can do a better job, all things considered, than Barr?
        After Sessions, Little Bo Peep would have been an improvement as AG.

      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        That’s deliberately obtuse, talking about this as if Epstein was just another prisoner. For someone that high profile, arguably the prisoner of the century, yes, increased oversight from the top was warranted. Not just warranted, expected.

    • Riskographer2 says:

      I think the bigger point here, is that things have become PERSONAL. You will see Justice, quickly, for the first time in years.

  7. ….Just check Robert Steele & Jim Stone report and make up your mind……

  8. What job or position is former AAG Whitaker auditioning for?

    • Riskographer2 says:

      Hard for me to believe that Trump let him go…

      • WSB says:

        It is odd, because Whitaker could have stayed on, transferred or something and could have been brough back in many capacities…now, I have no idea what he is doing unless he is getting paid greatly as a contributor.

      • palafox says:

        I think he was an interim guy who could not be made the permanent guy.

    • jeans2nd says:

      Whitaker is working for a law firm who represents PC Matic, and Whitaker is doing the representation for PC Matic. Whitaker told Fox & Friends this morning.

    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Lead flutist in the PCMatic band.
      (or Flautist if you’re so inclined)

  9. YeahYouRight says:

    I suspect that this cuts a different way. Epstein can’t protest these search warrants now. The flood gates are open, nobody is trying to hold back the info. Someone in the DS thinks Trump will be implicated.

    • WSB says:

      So, there are four other properties…I guess we wait.

    • MR52 says:

      Or they can make it up just like everything else.

    • justlizzyp says:

      I don’t understand why the probable cause that enabled them to get a warrant to search his townhouse wouldn’t also get them a warrant to search all of his properties at the same time. Makes me wonder if they even asked or if this is like the David Spade joke about UN weapons inspectors being like his mom telling him that in 90 days she was going to search his room and if she found any pot he was going to be in big trouble – surprise, surprise, when she came in to search she didn’t find any weed – because it was all over at his friend Sudan’s house….

    • Georgia says:

      If there was anything on Trump the NYSlimes and Mainslime Media would have had it and run with long, long ago–there is nothing. Lots of RolCons on here today!

    • Garavaglia says:

      Possibly. And no Epstien around to counter the implication of Trump. We shall see.

    • BitterC says:

      I’m pretty sure I heard someone on Fox say that the FBI had been out to the island a few weeks ago, FWIW

  10. DJT2020 says:

    Don’t forget the malfunctioning camera.
    BTW there is all kinds of drone footage of the clean up. bull dozers shipping containers all kinds of stuff. Time stamped collection here>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGF4cH9t6SgF5e4OELMbDjg/videos

    • WSB says:

      Apparently, there are cameras on the corridors, just not the cells, so there should be something to see here.

    • delighteddeplorable says:

      Plus apparently, this type of prisoner is required to have a roommate. Which he did. Until the roommate was moved out Friday night. My oh my.

      • Lady Sid says:

        Sorta like the situation that transpired with Whitey Bulger a few months’ ago. Unfreakin’believable.

        • Georgia says:

          He worked closely with the FBI too, Mueller seems to have had a hand as to what went on as to Bulger and some who were framed….–are they “investigating” that one too? The FBI out on Lolita Island after Epstein is dead–LOL– if they were trying to make themselves look like more worthless “investigators” it would be hard to improve on what that move causes one to think as to them– like that shouldn’t have been done long ago?….

          • Rhoda R says:

            Well, it took them a couple of weeks to get around to the compound in Benghazi and at least three days to check out the Nevada shooter’s house.

    • George 1 says:

      One thing is certain. There has been one suicide at the MCC in the 40 years it has been in operation.

  11. warrenjay13 says:

    Is Barr a swamp servant?

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Are you a RolCon?

      • Issy says:

        I am not a Rolcon, republican, democrat or really all that conservative, I am a Trump supporter, plain and simple. I haven’t made up my mind about Barr yet. He makes all the right remarks, but until I see some action, the jury is out.

  12. MR52 says:

    I sure hope they are monitoring Bharara and the SDNY. I bet they are behind it all.

  13. Perot Conservative says:

    And cameras not working? REALLY fishy. Too many coincidences.
    M. Savage today asked where the warden was, the woman seems to be in hiding.

  14. Suzanne says:

    If Barr et al had really wanted him protected he never would have been in that jail in the first place…. he’d have been at some “undisclosed location” with about 20 Marshalls armed with Gattling guns

    • if someone really wanted protect him he would be in GITMO/AREA 51…or is it well playing game-we know why Acosta do not wanted prosecute him..intelligent asset..(foreign too ???)

  15. Bogeyfree says:

    And let me guess after their “35 day pause after the Epstein arrest” they search the island and find clumps of PT’s hair, his ID bracelet, newly discovered flight logs and his initials engraved in a tree……

    • mr.piddles says:

      And a crapload of Diet Coke empties littering the beach.
      “Aha! A clue!”

      • BitchyPants says:

        Didn’t they already find all of that when they raided his NY apt.? I guess Andrew Weissman needs more evidence to tamper with – I’m sure he has been working furiously “examining” the diaries and little black book….

  16. Understanding the actual impetus for reopening this case is key to knowing why Epstein is now dead.

    • Dutchman says:

      The impetus, IIRC, was a foia request to unseal the documents from the first case, which I believe exposed what a sweetheart deal he got, the first time.

    • underwhelmingposter says:

      Very good, Clivus. Even though he he was despicable in actions, he was tried and found guilty of the crimes. So he bargained for work release, but he still had 13 months and had to be registered as a sexual predator. Not exactly what I would think is getting off scot free!
      Then 13 years later is is arraigned on the SAME charges, but now they are files in NY. The reports have been that he was “clean” for that time (had no illegal activities).
      So I agree with Clivus. Why now? Pam Bondi a few weeks ago explained how extremely difficult it is to get convictions in these cases, since often the victims do not want to testify. I don’t thing that is the only reason they are difficult.
      All of a sudden, here he is. Then NO BOND. Then MCC. The dead!
      What IS the reason for now. Therein lies the rub!

    • Issy says:

      Yes, it would be interesting to know why now?

  17. Dutchman says:

    Whitakers observation is kind of stating the obvious, isn’t it?
    Can’t imagine anyone going on nationwide TV and saying;
    “No, not fishy at ALL! Suicides happen all the time, and even family members often are surprised!”
    Point is, when asked, WHAT else could he say?

    • justlizzyp says:

      Although Rosenstein tweeted pretty much that very thing. “people in his position commit suicide all the time! Stop with all the conspiracy theories!’

      • Dutchman says:

        Well, there ya go. And, prison personell DO,…look the other way, on occasion. Guys die, in prison.
        Saw a guy (after) stabbed 26 times, then thrown off a tier, 5 stories up.
        Seemed like,….overkill.
        Sorry, guess you had,to be there.

        • justlizzyp says:

          Yeah, I think if it were anyone else there would be very little desire to question the narrative, but this one was too big, too visible, too noisy and has too many sketchy connections to be ignored.

        • A Moderate Man says:

          Dutchman, you sound a little scary… just sayin’

          • Dutchman says:

            Don’t mean to. I was young, dumb and full of,….and that was one of several “scared straight” moments.
            Another was when I jumped over the heads of the cops, as theycwere running in the front door, while I was jumping off the balcony. But, thats a long story,….
            It was several other lives ago, believe me.
            God reached out, and literally held my life, in the palm if his hand, and led me to salvation.
            I asked, and he intervened.
            Praise Jesus, or I surely wouldn’t be here, to have seen such miracles as the,2016 election.
            But believe me, its NOT the first miracle I have seen, by far.
            Another life, I worked on ambulance in rural areas, 60 miles from nearest hospitals.
            Raised two daughters as single parent.
            Remarried when they grown, happily 19 years.
            Lotta lives,…..

            • wightmanfarm says:

              Writing a book? (You should.) Glad you are in God’s care now !!!

            • lisabrqwc says:

              I love reading your posts, Dutch, especially the humility with which you glorify our dear Lord.

              • Dutchman says:

                Mark Twain said “When I was 15, I thought my father was the dumbest in the world. When 25, amazed at how much HE had learned in just 10 years!”
                The attitude and the change in perspective he describes, accurately describes my attitude not only to MY father, but to OUR father.
                I was,STUBORN, and required much disciplining, chastisement, and ‘toughlove’ allowing me to experience the consequences of my actions.
                Now, my constant prayer is “Thine, not mine, dear lord!”
                A very difficult prayer to make. But, he comforts me, and my life is so much better, with HIM in the drivers seat. Ride gets rough, its cause I am trying to seize control.
                Let go let God!

  18. MaineCoon says:

    Here’s Bombard’s Body Language interpretation og Whitaker in his Fox News interview regarding Epstein issue.
    https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2019/08/12/body-language-jeffrey-epstein-mathew-whitaker/

    • jakeandcrew says:

      Interesting, she’s pegged Whitaker as a straight shooter, a very honest guy; and Whitaker has full confidence in Barr – he really means it, not faking it.

    • Issy says:

      I like Whitaker too. He comes across to me as an honest man. I don’t feel that way about many in government. I would like to see him back in government. Will there be an opening at the fbi anytime soon?

  19. Sparky5253 says:

    A whole bunch of sick, wealthy, elitist, powerful people….both men and women, are doing a happy dance. And, I’m betting the scene of the crime is evidence free. Barr has an enormous task finding out who done it….if he ever does. Personally, I’d start with Bill, Hill and the Queen.

    • DeWalt says:

      I don’t think so. Bill and the Beast aren’t in the same class as the ones who arranged this.

      • Rhoda R says:

        Yeah, the people they’ve targeted have been alone and walking around free – easy access. This requires a lot of planning and serious bribe money. If the Clinton’s were involved I suspect that we’ll find evidence simply because this is out of the realm of their expertise.

  20. davidb says:

    35 days is plenty of time to plant “Trump” evidence on rape island.

  21. omyword says:

    Dagnabit Jeff. I told you stay away from scarfs, doornobs and bunkbeds. I mean did I have to even warn about bedsheets?
    ? some people never listen.

    • cthulhu says:

      What’s really amusing is when you realize the Feds could have just come out and said, “looks like he David Carradine’d himself” — and everyone’s response would have been: “figures….” Death by misadventure instead of suicide…..still dead.

      • SharonKinDC says:

        Was rather surprised they didn’t announce his willie was out… would have been auto-asphyxiation while trying to get his rocks off. And people would likely believe it of a guy who required three you know what per day.

      • Georgia says:

        An ex- Prosecutor is actually pimping that one at the American Spectator–made me wonder whose paying him to do that?

  22. Jonathan galt says:

    At least two of those agents knew exactly where to go and what to destroy while the rest looked through drawers and in the fridge. At this point I wouldn’t put it past them to insert some photos to take out enemies. All photos and video will have to be forensically authenticated.

    • Dutchman says:

      Any more, all major drug busts are filmed, from beginning to end, to prevent any evidence from,…disappearing.
      Or, for allegations any disappeared.
      But, just as FBI doesn’t film interviews, relying on 302’s, they don’t film searches, either.
      Cause they specialise in COVERUPS, …THATS what they do.

      • underwhelmingposter says:

        Dutchman, in Russia almost all cars have dash cams because the police are so corrupt, they need the information to back their story (perhaps even to insurance companies).
        Otherwise they are out of luck.
        Isn’t it a requirement now for police “interviews” to be video and audio taped, and to have two interviewers present?

        • Dutchman says:

          Not for FBI, just everybody else. Feebies have always used 302’s, its traditional. Always come in pairs, one asks questions, the other is witness.
          Tresury dept. records intrviews with subjects.
          They don’t call them interrogations of suspects, any more.

    • armie says:

      Looking at that footage, I’m wondering if the snorkel swimmers are part of the search team? If so, whah?

  23. JonB3 says:

    Barr’s starting to look like a deep state controlled, swamp creature … Loser !

  24. MfM says:

    So Whitey Bulger was suddenly trasfered. Then he was beaten to death. No one got in trouble for his death. What did he have on Mueller?
    Sounds like a set up for Epstein also. So who was involved in all these decisions that let this happen?

  25. “Oh, puh-leauze …” This guy was a maggot’s maggot. Did he abuse “hundreds” of teenage women, or was it “thousands?” When they finally caught him, and then finally kept him, what did you seriously expect to happen next? This guy was a professional blackmailer, in addition to a sex fiend. Please, do not pretend to be surprised that “frontier justice” has been served.

    • Right to reply says:

      Surprised no, but absolutely furious he went to the grave with the names of politicians, bankers, business men, and celebrities who are now all off the hook! Hollywood is a vile and disgusting, pedophile, drugged up, pile of sh**. It needs its heart ripping out!

      • lemmus1 says:

        Why do you think they are all off the hook?
        The scumbag made hundreds of millions blackmailing pedos. Any one of which would have the motive and means to have him removed at any time – unless – they knew he had a deadman switch (DMS) in place. A simple infallible means to ensure the blackmail material would be exposed if Epstein were to die unexpectedly.
        A simple cloud-based program sending an anonymous message to one or more specified addresses at random intervals and requiring an encrypted reply within a specified time frame. If no reply it tries again and again for a specified number of attempts. Upon fail, it sends an AES256 randomized key to a list of addressees telling them the location of an encrypted file they should be highly interested in.
        That’s only one way to do it and it would work. Countless DMS routines run every day ranging from simple likely death notices to associates to highly complicated schemes protecting assets worldwide. They are not just Mission Impossible plot lines.
        Simply unbelievable that Epstein wouldn’t have a DMS in place and take extreme measures to protect its security.
        Which is why I think he was killed by those wanting the files released to the public, not those wanting to cover their sins. Every minute Epstein was alive it was more and more likely that he would cut a deal with deep state players to hide them. Killing him makes that impossible. Give it a few weeks or months. Epstein may yet testify from the grave.
        Assuming the scumbag is actually dead.

    • boogywstew says:

      You are just not grasping the obvious as usual. Everyone knew he was a target so why was security LAX? You are non stop focused on his deserving what he got. DUHHH!

    • underwhelmingposter says:

      Not Frontier Justice- Arkancide!

  26. LKAinLA says:

    Shirley Skipper Scott is the morbidly obese warden at this facility holding Epstein. She has actually sued Eric Holder in the past, a real piece of work who was unqualified for this position. Her gov profile reads she makes 141% higher salary than most in her position. She needs to be front page news.

  27. REPOSTING MY FIRST THOUGHT FROM SATURDAY MORNING JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT…
    Ok…I have Zero direct evidence to back this up, but since Epstein conspiracy theories seem rampant, here’s a possible take.
    Prince Andrew and our friends the Royal Family had a lot to lose if US citizen Jeffrey Epstein told the truth.
    US President Donald Trump has a lot to gain if British subject Christopher Steel told the truth.
    Steele reportedly told the truth to our DOJ (Durham) last month.
    Prince Andrew and the prestige of the Royal Family (such as it is) had their worries ameliorated this morning.
    Just thinking out loud.
    Flame away if you like.

  28. Right to reply says:

    Epstein was a vile person, but do you seriously think he would hang himself? He’s too vain for that. he was drugged and then hung. He was murdered. Even the autopsy cannot be trusted

    • WSB says:

      Especially with Baden being called in.

      • underwhelmingposter says:

        The New York City medical examiner announced Sunday night that she has finished her autopsy of multimillionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who was found dead in his jail cell from an apparent suicide, but the cause of his death “is pending further information,” a determination that is not uncommon.
        Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson also noted that Epstein’s representatives have hired celebrity pathologist Michael Baden to conduct an independent autopsy and they were allowed to observe the autopsy. Baden, who served as the city’s chief medical examiner in the late 1970s, has made a career investigating high-profile deaths, including those of Michael Brown, who was killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, and former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez. Baden also testified at the murder trials of O.J. Simpson and Phil Spector.

    • Issy says:

      I don’t know what happened and absent a confession from someone I don’t expect to ever know. I won’t trust anything from the fbi.

  29. romy911 says:

    Former AAG Whitaker states, in regard to the position of Attorney General. “you’re wearing the White Hat and you’re doing justice.” I think he just told us he and Attorney General Barr are White Hats.?

  30. Juvenal says:

    The Deep State wins again.

  31. Sanj says:

    Were Epstein’s lawyers from the Rose Law Firm of Little Rock?

  32. billrla says:

    I’ll take your “fishy” and raise you two skunks.

  33. Phil Free says:

    Epstein -did- have that one visitor [I’m kidding], Friday night . . .
    https://i.imgur.com/4XDxJ21.jpg

    • Dutchman says:

      Oh, so it WAS natural causes; he died of a heart attack.
      Or, it was suicide. Took one look, his member disappeared, and said it was NEVER coming out, again, and so he suicided in despair.
      Seriously, she doesn’t do her own dirty work, she HAS it done.

    • mr.piddles says:

      Looks like Hillary, Sonny Bono, and John Denver (somehow) had a child. Which is weird on more than one level, if you think about it long enough.

  34. Richard Whitney says:

    After Epstein’s death, no one had any standing with regard to evidence that might be on Epstein’s island.
    First thing a prosecutor asks when an investigator says “We have evidence that this person is the perp.” is not “What is it?”, but “Did you obtain the evidence legally.?”
    Epstein’s death was the all-ee-all-ee-in-free for the raid.

    • Dutchman says:

      ADMISSABLE evidence.
      If you can’t PROVE it happened, than it didn’t. If the evidence is tainted, it don’t get in, and if it does, you win on appeal.
      Last ditch effort, when all else fails;
      You know your going to get convicted, so you manipulate things not to prevent conviction, but to insure being overturned on appeal.
      Been known to work,…

    • DeWalt says:

      Unless the Marshall’s had control already I would bet there is a new reef somewhere in the Caribbean.

  35. Heika says:

    Well according to this survey they need to go and lock everyone up (the majority by a mile) for thinking he was murdered – you conspiracy theorist you …um… you’s…. Worse still when it comes to the official narrative, only 5% think it was suicide! Someone needs to be sacked in public relations somewhere… or the propaganda dept… off with his head, or hand that person a bedsheet. Despite the best propaganda efforts of the MSM, the memo aint getting through to the people. Have a look, hilarious!! Murder is the top choice. Oh ho…
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/5-theories-about-death-jeffrey-epstein

  36. Mr. Morris says:

    Isn’t this prison in Congressman Jerry Nadler’s district? Is the late $Jeffrey Epstein pedo activities connected to Keith Rainere’s sex cult? Jeffrey Epstein’s major funder was Leslie Wexner and
    Keith Rainiere sex cult received major funding from Seagrams heiresses Clare Bronfman and her sister. Interesting that NY Senator Gillebrand’s family members were involved with the Rainiere sex cult.

    • Sherri Young says:

      Frankreport.com is writing about Epstein, of course. The frankreport.com website has been the very best on NXIVM. That is where the connection with Kirsten Gillibrand was reported.
      Now they are spilling digital ink over Ghislaine Maxwell. Ms. Maxwell better be looking for a place to hide.

    • fabrabbit says:

      Leslie Wexler parted ways with Epstein 12 years ago after he learned Epstein stole $46 Million from his Foundation.

  37. michael says:

    te FBI is corrupt and at this point, I have to believe the majority of agents are corrupt as well. they are no longer the good guys in my eyes and they are no better than organized crime

  38. DeWalt says:

    They are pretty smug. Quite a message they are sending to the President. Folks this is deeper than we’ll ever know, but there is quite the battle taking place. Barr will do nothing. Some guards will be disciplined for not following policy and procedures. The IG will recommend more training and the Union will demand more money. Case closed.

  39. trapper says:

    One CCTV camera was working. Video of Epstein hanging himself:
    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmCNikSXU9U&w=640&h=360%5D

  40. Garavaglia says:

    What jurisdiction does the FBI have on that island?

  41. archie says:

    The FBI killed two Kennedys and MLK, took down Nixon, bungled hundreds of cases that we know about, and now tried a coup on the president.

  42. Donzo says:

    With all the coincidental irregularities reported about this supposed suicide there’s a lot of explaining to do or else a lot of coverup to do. Were several employees directly or indirectly involved in a murder of Epstein they would all have to keep their stories straight. Why was a high profile prisoner with a prior recent possible suicide attempt left unsupervised? Why was there no recording? Why was one of the guards not actually a guard? Why was he not in a suicide proof cell? Why were there staffing shortages? Why was he only viewed every 30 mins? None of this makes sense. If this was a murder there are a lot of people who would need to be in on it. And if the FBI can’t crack that, they have to be complicit.

    • Baby El says:

      Those people are called ‘loose ends’. They should be very worried.

      • Rhoda R says:

        How many of those cops who originally saw the Weiner laptop stuff have “committed suicide” by this point in time? Or maybe the better question should be: “How many haven’t committed suicide yet?”

  43. Mo says:

    Hello Lou,
    You Sir. are the greatest most patriotic newsman on the airwaves in my time. Thank You

  44. Skidroe says:

    Does anyone know that Hannity’s Mom was a prison guard?

  45. Donzo says:

    And he was taken of suicide watch when he apparently had only days before attempted it.

  46. Sentient says:

    Whitaker says we’ll find out what happened to Epstein. I do not believe that. The rot goes to the core – at SDNY and the FBI.

  47. JoeMeek says:

    The last report I saw was that he used a double decker bunk bed and strong sheets to hang himself. This is like part of a TV plot. Why would anything other than a small mattress and paper like sheets be in his cell with him? This is only a step away from an assisted suicide of leaving a vile of a deadly drug and a syringe in his cell with him.

  48. emet says:

    The FBI sure seems s lot less interested in searching Epstein’s properties than they were with the Stone residence.

  49. HickTick says:

    So now We shall see who has more power , Barr or the Clintons

  50. Rex says:

    ….AAG Whitaker said common sense tells us something about this is “fishy”…
    Profound.
    Whitaker E. Coyote… super genius..

  51. I don’t know why everyone is so down on the FBI, implying they’re inefficient or incompetent or something. I’m hearing they’re drawing LOTS of voluntary overtime this week, making that pedophile evidence “disappear into the Edgar Hoover Memorial Blackmail Vault.” All we need now is for one of Epstein’s victims to die in a freak canoeing accident on the Anacostia River, and this show is “closing in New Haven.”
    (Why haven’t we seen everything that was on Anthony Weiner’s laptop, do you suppose? For that matter, why haven’t we seen ANYTHING that was on Anthony Weiner’s laptop? My guess is it’s all boxed up in Jeff Sessions’ little retirement cabin by the lake, along with all those John Huber sealed indictments, waiting to be used in some Really Big Prosecutions . . . Real Soon.
    As to their investigation into Epstein’s death, watch for a $102,000-a-year “Systems Administrator” and a $75,000-a-year “Supervisor” (who each now own million-dollar lakefront chateaux in Switzerland) to be fired from their positions for “violating established procedures”!) Talk about “consequences”! Then, about eight months from now, when no one’s paying attention, their union grievances will of course get them reinstated with back pay and full pensions restored, based on the fact that “No one spent a year building a file of negative performance evaluations and written reprimands, like you’re supposed to.”
    I hate it when in the first 10 minutes you already know the ending . . . don’t you?

    • Rex says:

      Like.
      Good to see you around, Vin.

      • Bob says:

        Those that believe Epstein did a suicide trick are in all probably….Democrats and crooked cops….oh, I’ve repeated myself.

    • EJS says:

      No no no! It was the Russians that did it, they did it to protect Trump! Joe Scarborough said so and Mika agreed with him not once but TWICE! Please stop spreading disinformation already

    • billinlv says:

      Awesome Vin. Love the truth. Truth is goodness.

    • Baby El says:

      Yea, Vin.. We’ve seen this movie before – The guy dies at the end.
      This time, literally.

    • John says:

      If I were them I would not live in a lake front chateau,.Could find myself talking to the fish.This would be really fishy!

    • Democrats finally have this demon off their back so now they’re all virtue signalling, screaming for an investigation. All the while Jessie Liu is at the end of the production line ready to dismiss any case that comes her way. And if one slips through Amy Burman is there to ensure it’s DoA.

    • CM-TX says:

      Don’t forget [?] : Keebler Sessions was spotted, along with a crew from D0J, having flown into Arkansas by private jet. They were said to have seized all the case files from an investigation team, supposedly looking into a certain Foundation.
      He was last seen a short time later, loading those file boxes back onto the plane… Never to be seen again– well, not necessarily Sessions, but those Files sure haven’t shown up!?

    • underwhelmingposter says:

      This sounds like you CAN judge a book by its cover!
      This overtime is because of the “lost overtime” when the Mueller report came out, ending the investigation. Now they can dip into the funds “not available” to the guards.
      Interesting the Union came out blaming Trump right away, even though they said the problem has been going on for years.
      And 80 hours a week? That means 40 hours regular time and 40 hours time and one half, with possible double time depending on the shift. So at minimum, pay for 100 straight hours in one week. At the rate of $25 (est) per hour, that is a cool $2,500 in ONE WEEK!
      I never made that as a GM (ret 2000) and I worked MANY more hours than 80!
      Yes, the Fibbies are all over this, for sure, no doubt about it, rain and shine (oops that is the Post Office).

      • thomaspsyche says:

        Who punched the time card for the man in green fatigues in the back of the mystery van? Union would not be happy with that overtime not being counted since video cameras not operating on south tower 9th floor August 10 could not verify his where abouts!

    • botchedcasuality says:

      Awesome post!

    • ~Vin , CORRUPT FBI Dir. Chris Wray knows that if Pedophile-Epstein was allowed to testify that the Revelations from that testimony would Damage the DEEP-STATE even further than already has been Done.~
      The CORRUPT FBI will conveniently mark the Documents recovered at “Kiddie-Island” as a National-Security-Risk or DESTROY them Outright.

    • Issy says:

      I hate the reruns of this movie over and over.

    • Whitaker wasn’t even visible when he was IN that “AAG” role — I remember, I looked for him Now he is trotted out, obviously a paid, made man. He’s paid his dues and is now collecting on the backside; it’s obviously a strict spoils system being implemented by the “ins”. Whitaker is a pickin’ and a grinnin’, as it’s known in country music — just entertaining the common herd, keep ’em quiet and unaroused, by just a little talking on the TV screen (no need to DO anything…he already had that chance, when he WAS AAG). One moment I’m amazed they think they can get away with this rancid abuse of political power — because we KNOW already — and the next some common lout among we deplorables lets me know he IS a deplorable, buying what they’re selling. His kind elected and re-elected Obama/Soetoro, public enemy no. 1 himself.
      A Deplorable is someone who can’t be bothered with finding the truth; it’s not his/her job… What’s really insane is that the worst “Deplorables” are the “power elites”, our “representatives” and their bureaucratic servants, who have gained power and have no better idea on what to do with it than cow the common people (“cow”…think about what they do to cows).
      The whole system is geared to making us accept their lies, nothing BUT lies, going forward, and none of them even understands you can’t go forward on lies…only down. They are building — trying to build — the future upon a determined denial of the truth, about everything. It is an existentialist’s nightmare, and I rejected existentialism, and nightmares too, a long, long time ago.

    • zozz1 says:

      I get the impression that DOJ/FBI types are issued specially made guns that only shoot toward the shooter’s foot. They have large clips as well.

    • cwf60 says:

      They will not need to be reinstated, because they will be living in their lakefront chateaux.

    • The FBI is totally crooked and needs put down now. It is beyond repair. DOJ almost same.. Full accounts everybody, turn your pockets inside out – Obummer n gang had eight years to spread cancer deep n wide.. sunlight, Clorox and removal. Barr must do this.

    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      The depths of corruption involved in literally all functions, and apparently also at all levels of our federal (and many state’s) government today, are nothing short of stunning. The total disregard for even the appearance of legality, or fairness, or justice reveals an arrogance never before seen in American political history.
      Recently, in some of the rather more conservative social circles, the powerful and well-connected American social elites have often been sarcastically referred to as the ruling class. It is becoming more and more evident that the nom de guerre is becoming both accurate and well-deserved.
      Many of us could write pages and pages of quotes and references of our Founding Fathers presciently foretelling of how we could lose our Republic, but that is Sundance’s most well-earned prerogative as the Top Treeper of the Treehouse.
      Ultimately, we find ourselves in this position today solely due to our own damn apathy. We the People have allowed this to happen, over the course of primarily the last 50 years, and we are on our own; Nobody can or will help us. We the People are either going to save our Republic, or we will lose Her.
      We all must ask ourselves one question – as sean Connery asked Kevin Costner in the Untouchables, “What are you prepared to do?”

  52. jx says:

    The story so far…
    Attorneys asked that he be removed from suicide watch. (Did they also ask for rope?)
    Guards were working too much overtime.
    Not a regular corrections officer.
    I wonder what the next excuse will be.

  53. k4jjj says:

    Whitaker will soon be appointed “Captain Obvious.” (“Something sounds fishy.”) Ya think?
    Are there any lawyers at the Department of Justice not criminals or morons?

    • jebg46 says:

      Just as fishy as when Whitey Bulger was moved to newprison and murdered a few days later! Hmmmm……….

    • Putchy says:

      I love Whitaker.
      It’s the first high ranking DOJ official to publically call this suicide Bullshit.

    • Issy says:

      I like Whitaker. When he was AAG and went to the Hill for a regular hearing on doj operations, the dims through everything at him but the kitchen sink and blamed him for everything imaginable. He handled himself extremely well and appeared to enjoy sparring with them. I don’t know what his position is now, but he should be in a high profile one. Is there an opening at fbi, like for Director?

  54. TwoLaine says:

    And now it’s TRUMP’s fault for lack of funding. Riiiigggghhhhttt.

  55. beachbum31 says:

    Hey Sean Hannity’s mom was a prison guard. Who Knew??

    • FrankieZee says:

      And all the SINNERS are SAINTS. And 99% of the FBI are good guys. Still waiting for Hannity’s TICK TOCK bomb to go off.

      • Dan Patterson says:

        I’m glad it’s not just me.
        If I hear that “99.99%” mantra one more time…
        My impression of LEO in general and alphabets in particular is they are actively seeking prosecutions, actively avoiding truth, and actively fabricating information to support their position. Do NOT trust those people.

    • carterzest says:

      maybe he could add that to the bleachbit, hammers, acid washed, bought and paid for Hillary Clinton Russian Dossier….. Yawn
      I get it Sean, but, get some new material. Read a new thread a day here at CTH as you obviously have done previously…..YAWN
      I get what some of you say about Hannitiy’s schtick…but, he is REALLY HARD TO WATCH, STILL!
      YAWN

    • underwhelmingposter says:

      Sean Hannity was actually a little better tonight. He brought on guests, introduced them and let them talk somewhat. I switch to Lou Dobbs when the bleach bit etcetera gets too much.
      (The commercials are not synchronized)

  56. Bogeyfree says:

    PT IMO needs to start firing some people in his executive branch as it appears he has a lot of Moe, Larry and Curly’s working for him.

  57. AloftWalt says:

    Sooooo….the FIB raided Epstein’s private island. Well, well, well. I’m sure they are there to destroy evidence not find it.

  58. Michael Hennessy says:

    A rub out followed by an SS raid to protect the central planning committee members running around with their pants around their ankles!
    Is this the latest Clancy novel or maybe the sequel to “Enemy of the State”?

  59. k4jjj says:

    Inspector Clouseau’s arrival at this point now would be a gigantic leap forward in this mysterious case.

  60. Magabear says:

    And Fox starts off Shannon Bream’s show by saying PDJT floated a conspiracy theory on Epstein’s death. Any person with a semi-functioning brain knows PDJT was trolling the Clinton’s…….which they both richly deserve. ?

  61. yonason says:

    Isn’t this the same FBI that helped Hillarity sanitize her computers and phones? THAT FBI?
    What could go wrong?

  62. trapper says:

    The first incident with Epstein was either a bungled hit or a bungled suicide. So, whichever it was, there is no way he should have been left alone and unmonitored this time.
    Some have speculated that the first event was a bungled hit and as a result Epstein turned and that this latest incident was cover to spirit him away into witness protection. I would caution that if that is the case, that means the good guys have him, and anyone who thinks they see something and have it figured out should just keep it to themselves. Leave that alone.

    • JoeMeek says:

      I really don’t think he is still alive. That’s the one thing we can rule out 99.9 %.

      • TPW says:

        Lets see if there is concrete evidence of a dead Epstein…..did not get any with Osama……will journalist interview any body actually calling the time actually saw that it was him……..I bet not…..look at how many pics of Kennedy;s shooting and even autopsy…….this is getting to be so obvious.

        • Marc says:

          Let me Red Pill you on UBL: he was dead years before they claimed he was killed in ’09. The tapes that were released were just to keep the public thinking he was still out there somehow escaping the US govt for 8 years. Bin Laden was likely dead since 2003. He had serious kidney failure and needed regular dialysis prior to 9/11. Don’t forget his “traditional Islamic burial at sea” bullcrap line the MSM told us one time and then never again.
          Most importantly, he was a known CIA asset for years. He was a spook until the day he died.

      • underwhelmingposter says:

        99.9999999999%

    • distracted2 says:

      I’m going with a bungled hit. This was not Epstein’s first prison stay. Yes, it was going to be harder to beat these charges but he had friends in high places so it’s conceivable that this period of incarceration wouldn’t be the 45 years people were predicting.
      I just don’t see him killing himself when he hadn’t even gone to trial yet. If the trial had occurred and he had received the maximum sentence, it would be more believable.

      • FrankieZee says:

        And where is the autopsy report? I am with you on him still being alive. I think they wanted to get the info on the WORLD WIDE Pedophile Ring from him.

        • Super Elite says:

          Frankie, the autopsy report will be released as soon as it has been scrubbed.

          • Sherri Young says:

            The toxicology report takes much longer than the rest. I think Michael Jackson’s autopsy report was not finalized for something like six weeks because of the toxicology portion.

          • underwhelmingposter says:

            Who would have thought he would have been cremated so soon? Just an administrative error, I tell you. The attending Doctor was really a PA and made a mistake. Besides he worked way too many hours and it caught up with him.
            His attorneys came in and demanded he be taken care of immediately.

      • The Central Scrutinizer says:

        Andrew McCarthy writes a good article pointing out that Epstein, due to his previous arrest and guilty plea in 2007 for the same crimes, had a very good case for a Double Jeopardy ruling and may have very easily gotten the charges dropped. I imagine his lawyers were hopefully aware of this. Suicide doesn’t seem likely to me.
        https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-case-double-jeopardy-rules/

    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      If the Epstein case is as big and far reaching as many have alleged, then faking his death becomes plausible. And if sometime in the not too distant future we begin to get an avalanche of evidence against the rich & powerful in his orbit, I might start to entertain the idea. But figure the odds of that happening.

      • There won’t be any getting to the bottom of this, because heads of nations are likely involved, such as prince andrew and prolly plenty more. Epstein had a similar setup as the Duetreax guy over in Belgium(?), who catered United Nations pedos.

  63. DeWalt says:

    This is what Communism strives for in the host. Chaos. An erosion of trust in our institutions.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6072132233001/

    • rayvandune says:

      And the most effective way to erode our trust in them? Make them untrustworthy. Mission accomplished!

    • Marc says:

      Commies want full trust and devotion to their own people’s institutions. They only seek distrust in the governments of their enemies. FNC is in full propaganda mode on this case and won’t even mention Alan Dershowitz’s name on their network. I’m sure they will find a way to blame the Russians on Iranians on Epstein’s death sooner or later.

  64. George 1 says:

    Remember folks, the FBI has recently published an article that seems to infer that if you do not believe the official version of events as stated by the government, it can be an actionable situation.
    Because, as we all know, those wild conspiracy theories, can lead to bad events. Or something.

  65. JoeMeek says:

    “Oh yeah, and the FBI went to search his rapey island today. 35 days AFTER he was arrested. “
    I’m not going to look it up, but that reminds me of when the FBI went to Benghazi AFTER the 9/11 there. It wasn’t 35 days after, but it was many days after, with plenty of time for evidence to be destroyed by the CIA or others..

    • ann says:

      Why the delay?
      Wray’ll say, we train every day!

    • Sherri Young says:

      Even CNN was complaining about the way the crime scene was not secured in Benghazi. In fact, it was somebody from CNN who found Ambassador Chris Stevens’s diary at the compound a few days after the fact.

    • We the people know says:

      “that reminds me of when the FBI went to Benghazi AFTER the 9/11 there. It wasn’t 35 days after, but it was many days after, with plenty of time for evidence to be destroyed by the CIA or others..”
      Not to mention that Trey Gowdy NEVER called the FBI into his Benghazi hearings.

      • Issy says:

        Gowdy really did a bang-up job on Benghazi. The right questions were NEVER asked. I “loved” the contemptuous look on hillary’s face most of the time. She knew they couldn’t touch her. To compromise her would have involved obama, powerful senators like mccain and the house & senate intel committees that approved (maybe) the cia operations there. They are all covering for each other all of the time.

  66. distracted2 says:

    Ironically, this is where El Chapo was held, a man notorious for breaking out of prisons. They managed to keep him behind bars and alive, yet could not do the same with Epstein. “Fishy”is an understatement.

    • fangdog says:

      El Chapo only had money. Epstein had the Clinton’s as well as others of the same ilk.

      • underwhelmingposter says:

        When El Chapo is in, the people outside are safer. When an enemy of the Clinton’s is in and might talk, it becomes “til death do us part”.
        Why would Epstein’s Attorneys ask him to be removed from Suicide Watch? What value would they get if Epstein was taken off. I cannot follow that at all! If I were the Attorney of record, I would want that “extra security”. As far as all the rest of the breaches of protocol, that seems to imply intent.
        If the Attorneys did ask for that, I will pay particular attention to the rationale.

        • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

          With their client dead, I’d see that as justification for a warrant on all the attorney’s communications. See if anybody might have suggested that idea to them. Of course nowadays you can encrypt anything so that the gov’t can’t read it.

        • MelH says:

          The story i heard, early-on, was that his psychiatrist ordered the suicide watch stopped because it was too hard on his mind, like solitary confinement , makes people crazy .Seems like “innocent until proven guilty” doesn’t always apply. No rush to search his island, since they had already said his trial would not begin until 2020.

        • Justin Green says:

          With Epstein dead, his attorneys can now seriously run up the bills and raid his estate, lol. Who’s going to object now? Every lawyer in their firm will be working on Epstein, billing tens of thousands of hours to his estate to “protect it”, lol.

        • fangdog says:

          “Rationale”? these people are Libtard Democrats who only understand evil. There is no “rationale” and only a means justifying the end.

    • mopar2016 says:

      Lot of big names have been housed at MCC NY.
      John Gotti and Jackie D’Amico from the Gambino crime family, drug kingpins El Chapo and Frank Lucas, terrorists Omar Rahman (the blind sheikh), and Ramzi Yousef, weapons trafficker Viktor Bout, financier Bernie Madoff and others.

    • swampratterrier says:

      It’s a whale of a tale.

    • spoogels says:

      Someone said Epstein was the only person ever to die at that prison

  67. gildie says:

    What they didn’t report on the FBI’s search of Epstein’s rapey island was, they landed on the wrong island. They actually pulled up to a dock in Anguilla. Arrested 17 bathers, framed 4 gov’t officials & set fire to a children’s hospital. As they were departing, 4 of the agents climbed a palmtree & refused to come down. (Apparently there was a rumor Hanibal Lecter lived nearby.) The USS Fumbling Fools sailed without them.
    They just don’t pay them guys enough.

  68. dallasdan says:

    With Wray and Barr in complete control of the deep state support structure, it should surprise no informed observer all that is necessary is being done to protect the powerful criminal players who populated Epstein’s perverted world.
    From Barr’s “outrage,” to the FBI’s “shock,” and to the pundits’ “disbelief over the “suicide,” the level of insult to the intelligence of reasonable, educated observers is unprecedented.
    Nothing the resistance does to successfully protect itself is beyond the pale. It’s business as usual.
    JMO

  69. MIKE says:

    There’s two dead stinkin fish right there-
    I think I’ve got Epstein-Barr syndrome.

  70. John says:

    JFK assassination fishy,Oswald murder fishy,Seth Rich murder fishy,Epstein suicide fishy etc etc…

  71. dimbulbz says:

    I am getting used to the idea that once the swamp is drained, it will just reveal a deeper swamp. like trying to drain the ocean. Dead giveaway is the first person I heard who defended the “suicide” argument was of all people, the recently retired Rod Rosenstein. REALLY? Rod Rosentein is the once to stand up for the truth? Yeah that guy is a pillar of believe-ability. This is so obviously corrupt its comical.But I guess that the Clintons and the co-conspirators needed this guy dead more than they need to be believed. They are probably laughing at all the “conspiracy Theories” On a scale of 1 to 10 this is a 99. You could not have made this up. It’s not made up. Of course they will get away with it. Look at how they fool most Americans. They are convinced they can convince anyone of anything. This is scary.

    • Baby El says:

      Yea, Rod chooses this event to pop his head out from under the rock where his wife keeps him. Was he trying to add suspicion?

    • underwhelmingposter says:

      dimbulbz, This could only be topped if Weissmann also vouched for the suicide story. Perhaps his character witness could be Comey.

      • dimbulbz says:

        He did vouch for the “suicide angle”. He talked about how, in his experience, child molesters are always suicidal, once they are caught. I know that’s not the case. He is/was a narcissist and a sociopath. His universe was his own survival, and he would do anything to preserve his own life. The Behavioral analysts are being silenced at this point.
        There may be a possibility that after the first attempt, this was staged, so that whoever was after him may think him dead. That could explain why he was shown on camera being taken out on a stretcher – (never should happen) to convince the people who need him dead that they are free and clear. Of course, they must know that’s not the truth and he’s probably spilling the beans on them under protective custody. I hope that is the real situation. The thought that our government would actively participate in allowing a star witness to be killed in such an incompetent way is a terrible one.

    • Chip Doctor says:

      Dimbulbz, the reason they are convinced they can convince anyone of anything is that there is never really any pushback. This whole Epstein thing is a BIG deal, yet I’ll bet that this will blow over and the masses will fall into the trap of “there is an investigation, we just need to wait”.
      This stuff is not going to stop until we demand it. I am not advocating for an armed resistance at this point. But, we do nothing more then huff and puff. The swamp laughs at our outrage. They even mock us. Until millions show up in the streets, they will not fear us. We need our own Arab Spring. Time to get their attention. Time to terrify them. I am sick of the middle finger.

    • Issy says:

      They don’t care if they convince the American people or not. All they care about is that those in power (the ones they have placed there) cover it up and they face no consequences. There appears to be no recourse for the people to stop this.

  72. Baby El says:

    Looks like a “Serious Review of Procedures” is in order!!
    … and ‘people’ will be held ‘accountable’ (tee hee).

  73. ATheoK says:

    I believe A.G. Barr should sue Clintons for all pay, benefits and retirement for at least fifty FBI agents, Comey, McCabe, Wray, Rosenstein, FBI Lawyers and whatnot for the last 10 years; at a minimum.
    Plus, A.G. Barr should immediately dispatch known trustworthy FBI officers to Epstein’s island to supervise the evidence documentation and categorization.
    These FBI agents should also identify any accidentally shredded or burned documents and which officers are involved.

  74. Mary Ann says:

    We never know who is really dead or alive..
    It is claimed that Hitler lived to be an old man..
    Elvis was a millionaire yet they spelled his name wrong on the grave stone.. bad business?
    When newspapers pronounce you dead.. that’s it.. no questions.

  75. CM-TX says:

    I strongly advise taking this with a HUGE grain of salt, but definitely an interesting theory to consider…
    (Someone would need to validate the original timestamps. This was a Screenshot of, circulating on Reddit Sunday).
    https://i.postimg.cc/j5mWVTJY/7-B3-D5733-2551-4-E37-AF6-E-E268-F84-B8906.jpg

    • Totally Domestic says:

      I definitely think he was switched. Body double was on stretcher.
      Attys asked that he be taken off suicide watch. Why?
      To spirit him away.

  76. Bill Dumanch says:

    Yes, fishy.
    The smell of being drowned.
    Fishy.

  77. George 1 says:

    Yes Mr. Whitaker a great many things have been “Fishy” for the past eleven years or so. It is a pity that when you were part of the DOJ more could not have been done to shed light on all of this fishyness. Let us hope that Mr. Barr eventually gets around to exposing all that is fishy.
    If not cleaned up all of this fishy stuff that is lying around could start to cause the entire U.S. Government to stink very badly.

  78. ann says:

    As to specific cause of death, no comment. Suicide is possible, as is foul play.
    AG Barr’s fury is quite credible, and I share it. The facility administrator is inept, and the standard of care & security is flat out negligent.
    Sara Carter’s site stated Epstein’s attorneys claim their client had specific concerns, including a (reasonable) fear of his roommate, an ex police officer charged w multiple homicides and a drug ring. The prison spokesperson is framing the decision to relax his security protocol under “least restrictive environment” policy.
    The framework doesn’t fit. It blurs the distinction between responding to specific concerns and a critical decision which requires staff approval to reduce protective measures.
    No competent administrator or any CO commander would risk the liability exposure. Neither would a LMHCP. This man was highly organized, and if suicidal intent was present, capable of convincing deception and planning. He was always High risk, both to himself and a very vulnerable inmate.
    It’s disturbing. Mr. Barr has every reason to be furious and embarassed.
    Mr. Barr, go after his care team & the facility administrator, and do it .right quick.
    The BOP, by incompetence or turpitude, looks foolish.
    Don’t tolerate this crap.

  79. C says:

    I’ll be the one in this room to suggest that it’s become evermore apparent now that we have reached the tipping point of control of the situation as We The People.
    Arrogant bald-faced corruption will now become the norm, year after year. Welcome to the inevitable. Draining the swamp will be lengthy and uncomfortable. This was our signal. Now we know what we are dealing with.

  80. Liberty ONE says:

    Agents returning from the Pedo island….”Boss, the boat we were in with all the evidence caught fire and sunk” Boss agent:”That’s what I thought”!

    • We the people know says:

      Boss, “Well then, I’m going to need all the agents to turn in their body cameras.”
      Agent, “We weren’t wearing body cameras.”

  81. GP says:

    IMO JE is either alive or he was murdered-but people like Epstein do not committ suicide. I’m going with he’ still alive-oh, and Hiter lived to be an old man…reports are that he died in his 90s.

  82. joan p calhoun says:

    Who was the last person to see Epstein alive? Was it his cellmate? Did the cellmate kill him? Or did the cellmate get evicted so that somebody else could go in and kill him? And why did Epstein tell people two weeks earlier it was other people that assaulted him? Those seem like the most basic of questions to me.

  83. desperatelyseekingmelania says:

    Doesn’t Whitaker of all people know that according to the FBI floating conspiracy theories makes you a terrorism risk?

  84. Daniel says:

    Raided? Are they investigating who took the golden dome?
    And don’t tell me about witness protection programs. Those don’t exist and they would never fake a death in order to better secure an important witness. Nope. Only happens in movies.

  85. bacillus says:

    It’s possible this entire thing from the beginning (indictments and arrest) has been a SDNY black hat op with only the appearance of white hat involvement at the beginning and now during the investigations into ‘wa happund?’, the truth of which we’ll never know.

  86. sticknca says:

    Ideas on cause of death listed on the Certificate?
    Based upon recent reports of his “orgasm” requirements and his other kinky predilections I’m thinking outside the box and going with “Autoerotic Asphyxiation” . He waited until his cellmate was moved to pleasure himself and died in the act.
    That eliminates conspiracy and plays up to the innocence of the guards, attorneys, and other inmates.

    • BitchyPants says:

      Just for fun – I will expand on your “orgasm theory”
      A conjugal visit was ordered and when the “visitor” showed up he needed some Viagra because he is 66 afterall and that caused the heart attack which took him to the hospital and the sheets were just a kinky thing where he asked to be choked? Oh, the “visitor” was wearing the sheets under her green fatigues –

  87. Pyrthroes says:

    The key here is that Epstein’s autopsy has now been delayed three days, sufficient for poison-dart toxins to become undetectable (see below). Detailed in Congressional hearings into CIA assassinations in 1975, the exact-same modus operandi was evident in Breitbart’s case (March 2012)… so, what did JE use to “hang himself”‘, a paper towel? if this be Conspiracy Theory, make the most of it.
    First: Surveillance cameras were de-activated. Second: having removed JE’s cellmate, administrators neglected 20-minute monitoring for hours, leaving JE vulnerable to anonymous yet keyed-in assault. (Likely took awhile to import the perps.) Third: Though officials dodge the question, we’ll bet that automated time-logs show Epstein’s lock was disabled for some minutes, precisely corresponding to his known time-of-death. (First you dart-‘im-down, then string ‘im up.)
    How’s about assessing these straightforward issues in light of Visitors’ Sign-ins, correlating any unknown cellblock entrant with this wondrous Federal Correctional Facility’s absolute requirement that “visits” occur only under surveillance in designated public areas, with strictly identified “visitors” under escort at all times? Vehicle checkpoints will surely record a vehicle’s one-time license-plate entering and exiting in thirty minutes, time to direct an interloper with suborned officials’ complicity to Epstein’s remotely opened and conveniently unsurveilled cell.
    Best guess: Nothing AG Barr or anyone else within Trump’s nominally subordinate DOJ does or says will have the slightest consequence. As well ask Al Capone how his “used furniture warehouse” laundered loan-sharks’ payday operations.

  88. dd_sc says:

    So, are the FBI agents that raided the island the same group that was working for Meuller?
    I wouldn’t be surprised if they were.

  89. MicD says:

    Fact:
    #1. Multiple sources report that Jeffrey Epstein is now deceased.
    End of Facts.
    – now breath into this brown paper bag.

  90. wightmanfarm says:

    Maybe the FBI agents were escorting Jeff back home when they were seen yesterday on Pedo Island.

  91. We the people know says:

    While the FBI is driving around Little St. James in golf carts, let’s wonder over to Zorro ranch. Lot’s to know:
    SO many connections made here:
    https://www.coreysdigs.com/trafficking/is-jeffrey-epsteins-zorro-ranch-insulated/
    Plus…
    The Crimes Must Not Be Buried with Jeffrey Epstein
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuU3dy3OeJ8

  92. jx says:

    It’s day 4 since Epstein died. What news will today bring? That the non-corrections person there to attend to Epstein is an unknown person? I really wouldn’t be surprised.

  93. Justin Green says:

    Maybe he was placed in witness protection after the first attempt. I know I won’t believe any autopsy report that comes out anyway. Whatever. More lies. Taken off suicide watch. No cameras. No photos of the suicide scene, because, after all, he was still alive when found in the cell and taken to a hospital for an attempt to save him, right? But it took 30 minutes to get him to a hospital? I guess they needed time for some makeup for the couple of photos that did make it into the media. Maybe space aliens took him.
    All we have is speculation because the DOJ and FBI are completely unreliable for truth now.

  94. jakeandcrew says:

    Brian Cates makes a good point in this Twitter thread – the investigation was being run out of SDNY’s Public Corruption Unit. If their target is public corruption, Epstein’s death or disappearance doesn’t stop that investigation.
    https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1161064419109036033?s=21

    • We the people know says:

      Video…that means the FBI, for some reason, started storing really big magnets in their evidence lockers. OOPS.

  95. Madmax110 says:

    It’s a big Club. And We Ain’t In It !

  96. XO says:

    So I drive to work, park my car, and walk in to my building. I am captured by hundreds, if not thousands of surveillance cameras during that 30 minutes. I am supposed to believe that there is no camera on an accused pedophile being held stationary in a tiny jail cell?
    Am I really supposed to trust anything the FBI, DoJ, etc tells me?

  97. Scott B. says:

    Fishy?
    As in “five week old, unrefrigerated dead fish?!”
    But, they will all come out smelling like roses, don’t ‘cha know…

  98. i'm just sayin'.. says:

    I think I’ve figured it out. It’s like a story line from Dallas. We’re all dreaming and Epsteins’s alive!…..

  99. CountryDoc says:

    Someone with more wisdom tell me why we are not freezing the ability for further cover-up to happen. I understand the principle of allowing freedom of movement in order to let them exposed himself as well they are trying to cover up.
    But the FBI traveling to Epstein‘s island right after heHas been permanently silencedMakes me think that more cover-up is happening of evil, then evil being exposed
    I think there is enough evidence in the interest of national security, and many other security and legal reasons, to freeze the FBI, the department of justice, the SSCI, and other organizations, or at least large operational chunks of them.
    Yes, it is unprecedented. Yes it would hamper normal operations of important governmental entities. But we have never been under such attack from within in the history of this country. Drastic measures are called for.
    This is a democracy, and the people need the confidence that white hands in their government are going to protect them. Otherwise the time is fast approaching win we the people need to pull a 1776 maneuver against our own government, before it is too late
    How can we be assured that our trust in The president government is not slowly leading us to the same end of the Jews in the holocaust?
    This. Is. A. Serious. Urgent. Question.

  100. yonason says:

    Epstein pitched his autobiography to the NYSlimes.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/epstein-boasted-he-had-dirt-on-powerful-people-including-tech-oligarchs-was-ready-to-talk/
    Shortly after that he was arrested.
    Now ain’t THAT a coincidence?!

  101. We the people know says:

    Here’s drone footage from 8/12 of Epstein’s island search…
    You can see folks with FBI on their jackets and other folks with NYPD.
    So, FBI’s not alone.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Dn0G-my-0a0

  102. CountryDoc says:

    From my perspective, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that everyone, and I mean everyone from the president on down, is pulling the wool over the eyes of we the people, pacifying us by pretending to fight evil, using delay tactics, until the news is so tight around us that we cannot escape.
    I see much good evidence to trust the president, but reallyVery little substantive evidence of improving security beyond that. Many beautiful words from People, such as Nunez, Jordan and others. But visible security around me is not happening.
    Although he Is the only real hopeful voice around us, even Sundance could be a voice of pacification and delay, waiting for the water that I am sitting in to Reach a lethal boiling point
    How can we know for sure, that it is not time to take up arms?

    • Peoria Jones says:

      An itchy trigger finger and too much morning coffee are probably not a good combo, IMHO.

    • MVW says:

      “How can we know for sure, that it is not time to take up arms?”
      How can we know we are not purple cows chewing our cud in a yellow field of tulips?
      You sound like one of those role play conservatives for hire to post BS.

    • The Demon Slick says:

      Use your freedom. Make up your own mind. Me, I see President Trump as exposing to everyone with half a brain that the administrative state is completely out of control. Even as cynical as I am, the depth of the rot and corruption surprises me. And so far taming it has been almost impossible. The power they wield is incredible. The agencies wanted to do what Obama wanted, no matter how rotten. They don’t want to do what President Trump wants, no matter how righteous. He’s fighting like hell. They’re too stupid to see it, but President Trump is not our last chance. He’s theirs.

      • Amen and Amen! He has exposed them all… and it’s sickening to see what our government has become!

        • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

          Each day I remid myself that The”one” had 8 long years to secure the ‘transformation of America’. Also that the administrative state has been there for much longer.
          I have faith only in my Savier and guarded expectations of the “AWAKENING “.
          Evil was with us since the fall of man and will remain until Jesus returns.

      • GenEarly says:

        President Trump is not our last chance. He’s theirs. !!!!!! Truer words were never spoken, We and They need to heed them. If Cold Fury comes our way, May God help us All.

        • Observer says:

          Democrats cannot be allowed to regain power under our Constitution until they agree, by deeds not merely words, to live by it, to support it and to defend our United States Constitution with their very lives. Until then, by any means available, they cannot be permitted to regain power. If they will not abide by the Constitution, they declare themselves to be outside the protections afforded by it.

      • mugzey302 says:

        Exposing the swamp down to the local level is the goal. Witness, Baltimore! Those people got a wake-up call. Most importantly, voters need to access alternative media because they can’t rely on the propaganda machines that sold out to (or are owned by) globalists. Only the citizen journalists are doing investigative reporting ~ mainstream reports what they are TOLD to report (that’s why they all sound the same). We must pray for wisdom and discernment in this age.

    • shepdog says:

      I understand your point, but am not quite ready to go to that extreme just yet. I hope there is never a day where my mind takes me there. We are putting our trust in folks who have continued to let us down. Some we have elected, and some we haven’t…….

    • Scott and Carey Lee says:

      I agree with you Doc. Words not backed up with action are empty. The economy is but one facet. It will all be for naught when our freedoms are completely stripped away. Censorship, lack of medical choice, propaganda media, and just a general lack of accountability is the pervading crisis in this country. It permeates every sector in the workforce. There is a general apathy that has taken hold. We are a veritable model of Ancient Rome. 🙁

      • swissik says:

        I am another who agrees with country doc’s opinion and I am NOT a conservative hire to post BS, no thanks for the insult. I’ve lived in different countries, speak four languages other than English and I am old. There are plenty of examples of countries that have fallen apart or entirely disappeared . There is no guarantee that it cannot happen in the US. Taking up arms against a corrupt government, may have worked 100 years ago, it will not work today, imho.

    • Lactantius says:

      How can we know for sure, that it is not time to take up arms?
      Well, Mr. Revere, you need to post a watchman in the belfry with the bats and give him two lanterns. He can hold up one, if they come by land and two if they come by sea. On the opposite shore you will be ready to ride and spread the alarm to every Elks Club, Dusky tavern and lunatic farm.
      The willing and able will pour out into the streets and hoop and holler and scare the living bejesus out of the Deep Swamp which will drain itself and head to the monasteries for redemption.
      That’s the plan.

    • Phil Garber says:

      Red flag much?

    • GenEarly says:

      The “Key” is to have Arms to Take Up, imo. and I’m not speaking of compact pistols for cc either! Long Guns, 5.56, 7.65, 308, and better all in semi-auto models.
      With at least 1500 rounds per weapon. Otherwise you are just pretending to be a part of the family.
      The Pre-paration for Patriot Citizens is no different than the policy of a Prepared Military helps ensure Peace through Deterrence.
      The ammo box may well be more important than the ballot box long term. CYA, no one else is going to do it for you!

    • Fringe Dweller says:

      As always, ROLCON, am I right?

      • CountryDoc says:

        No I’m not a Role playing as a conservative (If thats what you mean by ROLCON), I comment here a lot, almost always in support of POTUS, who usually appears to me to be working miracles given the resistance he has.

    • CountryDoc says:

      Interesting set of replies to my comment at 8:57am. I am usually in awe of, what to me is miraculous accomplishments of our POTUS, especially given the resistance he faces. But sometimes my impatience turns to fear that we are all being duped while led to the slaughter. This morning I was feeling more fear and need for a back up plan of assurance.
      Other than being armed and using the 2nd Amendment, it seems like there really isn’t one as widespread as corruption is.
      The majority of the comments attribute reasonableness to the impatience and fear I expressed. PJ probably had the most accurate comment: Maybe I had too much morning coffee and an itchy trigger finger.
      Demonslick, Blind no longer, Grassleys Gril, Gen early, Demonslick, Mugzey, shepdog, observer, scott and Carey, and Swissik expressed some agreement and plausibility. MVW, LLU, Lactantius, Phil Garber, and Fringe Sweller (people I haven’t heard of before) basically flammed me and accused me of being a plant. An interesting spread of responses.
      As a strategist, surgeon, engineer, and physician — you never leave yourself thin on back up options. The pool of effective white hats making visible change looks mighty small to me, and there is literally a sea of endless expanse and depth of deceptive, evil, greedy, black hats. I’m a praying man of faith, but the apostle James recommends faith with action. I continue to pray and marvel at the results our POTUS is achieving, but sometimes our 2nd amendment option with no visible organized force against a sea of traitors looks mighty thin. Thanks all Treepers for the feedback.

      • Peoria Jones says:

        Doc, I did all the right things and lost it all – and I no longer possess the youth and energy to get it back. Every day is a struggle, and I resent my federal, state, and even local gov’ts. All corrupt to the core.
        Having been interested in politics since childhood (really), I understand how deeply you feel about what has been done to our beautiful nation and her citizens. Our founders must be rolling in their graves to see how we have become slaves to our gov’t, and the bastardization of our justice system and liberties.
        All politics is local. It’s the best place to start, because your voice is loudest. I know PDJT is doing what he can from the top down – and he will be able to do much more in his second term – but we patriots must do what we can from the bottom up. I have faith that we’ll win, but it will be a fight.
        Aside from that, my only recommendation is to step away from news/politics for a little while. Seriously. It can drain you. Perhaps even a week could give you time to recharge. It’ll all be waiting when you get back, same ol’ sh!t. And seeing that can give you a whole new perspective. 🙂 You’re not alone.

    • Incisor says:

      “How can we know for sure, that it is not time to take up arms?”
      Patriotic Americans are way past the point where taking up arms might have made a difference. Presently, our only hope is in the leadership of Donald Trump. If we fail to turn our government around with him at the helm then we will have scant hope of ever retaking the American Republic again. Our best hope at that point will be to negotiate a split but I don’t hold any hope of that happening either. The commies want us 100% compliant or DEAD and I don’t believe they will stop until we are if they ever get the upper hand again.
      The progressive mask is off for anyone watching to see and anyone that doesn’t see it at this point, isn’t paying attention. If they retake power, it will get very ugly, very quickly. Anyone that decides to take up arms at that point won’t last long with the full might of the US government on them.
      There will be those of us that try, but it likely won’t even make the evening news at that point. We will be just another blip that the Commie News Network explains away to their captive audience and America (as a free nation) will die. Anyone that might actually tell the truth or those who take issue with the cleansing will be too busy trying to stay alive to tell it to anyone who might make a difference. Anyone that tries to make a fuss will be bagged, tagged and disappeared posthaste.
      In short, if we fail this time they will NEVER let it happen again.

      • CountryDoc says:

        Incisor (and treepers) I am not advocating taking up arms now, but what is the backup plan if Trump fails. I don’t know you and don’t remember seeing your posts before. So you are advocating sit at home, keep working, vote, and trust the process? That’s not what I hear Trump saying or demonstrating.
        “Patriotic Americans are way past the point where taking up arms might have made a difference. ”
        “The commies want us 100% compliant or DEAD and I don’t believe they will stop until we are if they ever get the upper hand again.”
        You talk as if the battle is already won. It is not. They are still subverting justice. They are still keeping the will and needs of the people from being the driving force in our government.
        Trusting Trump as “our only hope” is BS. One 70 something very smart, capable man, who says the right things, seems to be doing the right things, and is making enough change happen to let him continue. But we have not won, and any engineer, given what is at stake, would not tolerate “Trust Trump, he is our only hope”
        The battle is to preserve the structure of our law and rights of our constitution, hopfully with healthy processes intact, and quickly get rid of the lying, the traitors, the extortionists, the globalists making money at the expense of our security as a country. AND QUICKLY get to a point of saftey, with a good margin of saftey — as was designed in our constitution.
        Your words would have been applicable to the pre revolutionary colonists, the pre WWII jews and germans.
        We need more insurance. If they get to wanting me dead, there will be arms involved on my part. I don’t want that to happen. If we don’t want to happen, we need to let Trump work, of course, but we need to do more than stock up ammunition. We need to be organizing socially, politically, communities, militarily so they don’t even THINK about doing anything but respecting the law and obvious morals. If I don’t see that happening, or being called for, then I have to assume that I am being passified by people who sound like you.
        I am not trigger happy, but I will not die from their force or let my country as founded die without fighting.
        All of these traitors need to be quaking in their boots. They are worried, but they are still brazen enough to lie to our faces. They still control the media. They about have our health care system fully under control to where effective health care is dying rapidly, with power, control and money already shifted to insurance companies, large hospital systems, and deep state beaurocrats.
        The implication that they are no longer in power, that we are safe, and we should trust Trump as our last hope is false.

        • Incisor says:

          I am not advocating anything, just making the statement that, if we were going to take up arms to save this country (and ultimately the world), that time has come and gone (in my opinion). The mask is off of the left in America, they have gone full commie now. If we (all Patriotic Americans) do not use this time (with a president that is on our side) to fix our government so that our Republic is restored along with the RULE OF LAW then this will be our last chance to do so. That is what I believe with all my heart. Time is slipping away, 2020 is just around the corner and if we don’t win that election and keep Trump in office to try and finish what we started in 2016, taking up arms after the fact will be a lost cause.
          No one seems to be taking any of this as seriously as they should. We are in slow-walk mode on any investigations regarding the crimes of the previous leftist administration in power. No one has been held accountable to date for any of their crimes and it appears that none of them will be held accountable before the 2020 election. The left is in full control of the Democratic Party, if they regain power, even over just one branch of the government (congress for example), the laws they will pass will put all of us on defense immediately. If they manage to steal the presidency, all will be lost. If you think conservatives are being shadow-banned, censored, defunded, de-platformed now, just wait and see what they do if they ever get real power again. What they are doing with just control of the House will be a minor sideshow compared to what they will do with the power of the full congress and/or the presidency.
          Sites like CTH, GWP, CFP, AT, American Spectator, Breitbart, Townhall, etc. will disappear, oh they will still be there, you just won’t be able to get to them (not the real version anyway). Big Tech will become the speech police and there will be no recourse for those silenced. Everything put up online will be censored for content and if it doesn’t fit the narrative it will be disappeared. That is already happening on a small scale.
          The only news you will get will be approved news (MSM version) and that news will make Soviet style Pravda look tame by comparison (and they will not care if you KNOW they are lying). Conservatives will be marginalized, anyone that speaks out will be crushed, ostracized, ruined and eventually killed/destroyed. If you decide to take up arms at that point you will be called domestic terrorist, lone wolf, mentally deranged, unhinged. No alternate version of the story will be allowed and any attempts to tell the truth will be shut down. They are already doing this to conservatives now, with little or no pushback.
          My point is that they want us DEAD, period. Anyone that doesn’t see that or doesn’t think that what is coming if they regain power is possible in America, hasn’t been paying attention. Big Brother will take full control. What we are doing in Afghanistan will be applied here to anyone that doesn’t tow the line and if you think that any ordinary American citizen is ready to spend the rest of their short lives living in a cave in Idaho without the creature comforts we all have become accustomed to then you have far more faith than I.
          Everyone will be watched, everything we do will be noticed and observed, those that can be threatened into silence will be threatened and become the loyal opposition. Those they cannot threaten will be the first to go down. They will come for those of us who are first to poke our heads up and speak out, I and those like me will be jailed (or worse) on trumped up charges, our families will be threatened, our finances taken, likely our property too and anyone who comes to our aid will be next. Then they will work their way down the line until there is no voice of dissent left that can ever threaten their power again. When they are done with America they will do the same to the rest of the world for that is their ultimate goal, one world government run by the elite with the rest of the souls that populate Earth as their slaves. These leftist are not our countrymen. They hold no faith or allegiance to us or our constitution. They are our enemies and should be treated as such before it is too late. I do not advocate taking up arms because I believe that time is long gone. Taking up arms at this point is playing right into their hands. No, the only way to fix this is to do so legally, the problem with that is it takes TIME and they are running out the clock on us.
          There are quite a few people who believe that Americans will rise up if anything like this ever happens, what I am saying is that Americans who might rise up will not even know it is going on until it is too late (most are not paying attention) and even if we did manage to rise together they would crush us and the ones who were left would cheer them on for keeping them safe from us. Some say we could win that fight, but we would be fighting an entire world of armies that would be brought in to crush us. No one that would help us could and even the sympathetic at that point would be uninclined to risk their own necks against the forces arrayed against us.
          Bottom line Doc, there is no back-up plan if Trump fails (at least no plan that will work). He is a gift from God and our last hope to save this nation. We should all be doing everything in our power to help him fix our broken system of government because the alternative is not going to end well for any of us (even the liberals). And pray every day that God gives us another shot at keeping America free and the one and only light in a very dark world.
          Many here will naysay and say that nothing I describe here is possible. All I will ask you to do is look around you. Look at all the gadgets you have that they are using to monitor you, control you and keep you under their thumb. Look at what they have done to conservatives in the media, online especially. Look at what they are doing to Gen Flynn, Paul Manafort, many, many others. They only need to say the word and the illusion of freedom that we still believe we have will disappear like the mist. Everything they need to do this to us is already in place, it just needs to be activated. God help us all if they regain power before we can put those in jail who deserve it. What scares me most is that none of them seem one bit afraid of anything we are presently doing. That should scare all of us.

          • Ad rem says:

            Paragraphs are your friend….

            • Incisor says:

              Fate of the world at stake and you want to criticize my writing skills?
              We are all lost.

              • CountryDoc says:

                Thank you for your replies Incisor. We are both sharing views, supporting one another, advising one another, strategizing on how to expend our lives withing this great sacred nation we are both blessed to live in, and ready to defend. We are doing in on this web site, inspired by the content and work of Sundance, and the commentors we read, and the fact that this website gives us as mere readers an opportunity to contribute our own voice.
                The guidelines for commenters are helpful to keep this site effective as a service to others Adrem has busted/criticised me as well. It stings when he/she does, but when I think about it, the criticism is always helpful and fair, and correct. I talk to much, I make long post, I run my paragraphs together, I stray off topic. But if AdRem helps me be a better writer then people are more likely to read my posts, and my voice more likely to be heard, and this website more likely to be widely read, and more likely to be an effective voice in this country.
                Thank you Incisor for your heart and your comments. Thank you AdRem for the work you do here.

                • Ad rem says:

                  My comments were never meant to sting or cause embarrassment Doc. It they have, I sincerely apologize. At eleven in the evening, I must take note to measure my responses as well. 🙂

          • CountryDoc says:

            I agree with everything you are saying. And so what can we be doing to stop the slow walk. To disrupt the ring of power?
            In the battle of Athens (there was a hollywood movie, it is written down as well” the armed citizens took over city hall, put sunlight on everything that was going on in Athens, and called in the Feds to support a trial and the arrest of the crooked ringleaders of the false city government
            Today, there is a critical mass of the Feds: FBI, congress, the gang of 8, speakers and minority leaders, deep state, left leaning tech giants and corporations (nobody mentions those corporations controlling medicine) , MSM. They are enabled by the population segment which is dependent on government, and have drank the koolaid that the government is their savior. That is an impressive force, the those that are coordinated are a small group that can be disrupted. Most of them have committed crimes. Using lawyers (most of whom are leftist and seem organized) to prosecute the leftists will not work. There are “six ways to Sunday” they can slow us down.
            Unless we on the right get organized around and outside of the government and be strategic against all of those that we know are coordinating. Where are the places/groups/meetings/platforms where the left coordinates their activities. Thats where disruption must happen — and quickly. That is the way I see it. I am ready to act, but there is no place to act other than wit for Trump, vote, pray, call congress critters.
            To me, we know enought all ready to round them up, shut them up, keep investigating. Disrupt their processes as they are disrupting ours. At some point good guys with arms, (ideally backed by and within constitutional processes) will begin the Big Ugly — which to me is more than legal — it is the declaration of war on an enemy more isidious and entrenched within us than “Terrorists”, but on a cancer within us. But we must be acting now.

            • Incisor says:

              I don’t know what the answer is Doc. Been praying for guidance myself.
              Meantime I am begging my congresscritter (Dan Newhouse) to support POTUS. My Senators are Nutbags Patti Murray and Maria Cantwell from WA so those two are lost causes, zero conservative representation for WA in the Senate.
              As long as we have Trump fighting for us and we keep supporting him I believe that all of this will come to a head. I also have to believe that he understands that it needs to happen before Nov 2020 or he risks everything in the balance. Someone needs to go to jail before then to show that all of our efforts did not go for naught (someone BIG).
              I do believe that he has a plan, I just wish it was moving faster. Waiting has never been my strong suit.

      • CountryDoc says:

        The implication that “it is pointless to fight back” or that “Patriotic Americans are way past the point where taking up arms might have made a difference” is false. Otherwise, what is the point of the second amendment.
        The implication of other posters to my reply yesterday — that the existence of an armed and stocked citizenry is enough of a deterrent, makes a little more sense. Right now I think there are enough patriots in law enforcement and our military, that they could not be used effectively against us. But I am not waiting until people are literally out to kill me because I am a Constitution defending Patriot.
        Look up the battle of Athens in Tennessee. Ex military and citizens took up arms against a crooked community government — and the news and history is still being supressed by descendants of the crooked politicians today, but their action worked.
        We are far less secure as a nation today, than that community was. And our FBI, congress, DOJ is right now NOT doing the job effectively enough to cause respect of our constitution.

        • Incisor says:

          I’m not saying it is pointless to resist for the alternative is worse than death. I’m only saying that “at this point” armed resistance is past it’s maturity date. We should have taken up arms long before the left was allowed to array the present forces that they have arrayed against us. If it comes to it, there are those of us that will fight, I have no doubt of that, but at that point that is exactly what they will want us to do. It will give them the excuse they need to finish us off for good and secure their power against the only real enemy they have left, their own conservative American countrymen. For we are the only one standing in their way for control of the entire globe.

          • CountryDoc says:

            So what is your advice to me and the readers of TCH? Be still and wait? Be neutral? Sit and pray? For the 10 thousands of us to make sure Trump gets re-elected so we can marvel at his energy for his 74-77 years? I don’t see the exponential growth of the other warriors effectively fighting, taking down, and neutralizing the embedded enemies of congress, deep state, FBI, DOJ That has to happen.
            Yes the economy is changing — but the public doesn’t even believe it yet. MSM still controls the media. Our children in school and college are still being brainwashed, our military watered down.
            I know it doesn’t sound like it, but I am more hopeful since PDJT than I have ever been, and CTH has helped me know I am not alone.
            But what is happening that we can join and be part of the force that does more than win an elction and make us feel good. When do the evil put their tails between their legs and go back into hiding, because the White Hats serving God are clearly in charge? I know I sound like a weeping, whining, biblical prophet.
            I am a physician, and it seems it has become impossible to make money doing the right thing. Currently U.S. medicine is OWNED by money extortionists. This is what I am fighting every day
            I would like to know my efforts are helping others, helping save my country, and doing more than delaying bankruptcy.

            • Incisor says:

              The obvious actions that law abiding, politically aware, God fearing conservatives do each day. Everything you mentioned plus joining conservative groups online, commenting in conservative forums, keeping up the moral (mainly mine). For action I joined the Liberty State movement in WA, trying to split the eastern half of WA off from the western half and make a new state. That isn’t getting much traction although 76% of eastern WA residents want it done. I vote, got to work, pay my taxes, write my congress people weekly, volunteer to go door to door for Trump, donate to conservative candidates that don’t even represent me but that I know will support POTUS if elected (he needs political allies). Every cent I can spare goes to the NRA, 2A Foundation and GOA. I’d go to DC if I thought it would do any good at all.
              I can’t say that anything I am doing is making things better or even making a difference? I hope it is and does but the only thing that really gives me any peace is the fact that God has answered my prayers daily and is keeping Donald Trump alive and in office. As long as he is there we still have a fighting chance.

              • CountryDoc says:

                You are very much where I am. There is encouragement in that. I am probably not doing enough. I work 80 hrs a week trying to do what I was taught, but practicing medicine correctly and making a living are gettting almost impossible to do.

      • lady4trump says:

        Don’t leave earth without Jesus Christ being your Savior and Lord. This is only a testing ground, eternity is forever. Make sure your eternity is with the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords!

  103. Christian Warren says:

    Absent a corpse, is it plausible that Epstein used his own assets to escape and that the FBI is now looking for him on his island?

    • loisplane says:

      They gave him a ride and they’re moving him in.

      • BitchyPants says:

        Maybe they figured out that the “corpse” was in fact not really Epstein – so they are looking for him or evidence of where he might be – otherwise they would have searched the island by now right?
        btw – nice gig for the fbi/nypd – beautiful island “investigation”
        bet once the sun goes down – they break into the booze collection…

  104. Mike in a Truck says:

    Evidence Tampering. Removal of all residual DNA from lolita island.Not a clue whose DNA was there….

  105. MVW says:

    “Oh yeah, and the FBI went to search his rapey island today. 35 days AFTER he was arrested. Three days AFTER the sealed records of his activity was unsealed; and two days AFTER his suicide. What were they waiting for?…”
    As I understand it, now that Epstein is dead, the evidence now obtained from his premises cannot be thrown out for reasons of improper search & seizure as Epstein was the only one that could have filed that motion. At least that is what has been said.
    So, the wait might have been procedural, and now the chief issues of future challenge to admissibility are gone, Have at it…

    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      His Manhattan townhouse was raided/searched immediately upon his arrest. So I’m having a hard time understanding why there would be a procedural reason for the delay re: the island

    • mugzey302 says:

      If that’s the case, then someone should have been guarding it to protect from tampering!

  106. Our two-tier justice system is abundantly evidenced by way of contrast. In one corner, the lackadaisical Epstein approach, in the other, the hyper-aggressive pre-dawn raid of Roger Stone complete with CNN real-time coverage. Boy, when the FBI has the will to go Gestapo it knows how to do it. Or how about our POTUS’ personal atty’s office being jackbooted into?
    Howe come it took until Pelosi’s return to learn the House had a jail?
    Whose heart sinks nowadays upon hearing the FBI to the rescue with one of its patented ‘investigations’? We’re a million miles from Efrem Zimbalist Jr.
    The one silver lining in the Epstein demise it that the credibility of the system has suffered a setback even among mainstream onlookers.

    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      At this point, what honest person applies for employment with federal law enforcement?

      • The system needs to be pulled out by its roots. It’s a tear-down, not a rehab. That includes those wonderful perjurers and get-alongers known affectionately as the rank and file. The emphasis never seems to rest on RANK. In the end, Hannity’s a paid carnival barker who happens to have landed on the right note on this iteration, to his great credit. We know he takes grief from the Sammon-stacked news-side. At the same time he will never burn down probably a third of his audience: the law enforcement crowd who are implicated to varying degrees in a irretrievably corrupt system. At the day they’re just people clinging to pensions. Ask Lot, Job and Noah. True courage is a 1-in-a-1000 phenomenon if even that. Human systems have to be razed periodically. Jefferson said every 19 years. We keep hoping for some vested member of the legal guild to save us. How long’s that list now? Sessions, Rosenstein, Whitaker, Horowitz, Huber, Barr et al et al. They’re not exogenous enough. Trump is as exogenous as you’re going to get. Maybe Nunes the farmer too. It’s no surprise there isn’t one vested power center on the planet that isn’t arrayed against them. David and Goliath. It’s a biblical outnumbering. That’s why I remain hopeful.

        • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

          I’ve come to the conclusion that unless and until we the people march on FBI headquarters carrying guns, not signs, nothing will change

  107. Ausonius says:

    Look for the bleach bottles on that island…or not. 😉
    There has been an old saw that one should not invoke a conspiracy, if general incompetence is also possible.
    Usually it is a difficult choice. But the Billy Jeff Clinton Connection AGAIN! raises its soiled tail to invoke suspicion that this is just too convenient a coincidence, just too convenient in general for invoking “incompetence” in this situation.

    • RobInPA says:

      I find it interesting that following PDJT’s tweet pointing out the likely association of JE’s alleged death to the Clinton Crime Syndicate, that the CCS did not (to my knowledge) issue a strong rebuke.

  108. Theory on site. ” Whatdoesitmean.com”.
    They usually know stuff.

  109. @ChicagoBri says:

    Unbelievable things the Clintons, the MSM, and their co-conspirators have asked us to believe:
    – WJC did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky;
    – WJC arranged a secret meeting with then-AG Lynch so that they could discuss their grandchildren and golf;
    – the fortuitous timing of gifts to Clinton Foundation and actions taken by then-SoS HRC;
    – 30,000 emails about yoga and a wedding were wiped, like, with a cloth;
    – Jeffrey Epstein died in a suicide

    • Bill says:

      This sums it up nicely. Seriously, they keep shoveling us $hit and we keep taking it.

    • Clarissa says:

      And Seth Rich was killed by muggers who didn’t take anything belonging to him

    • Peppurr says:

      As far as the Clintons. Those 2 must rotfl to come up with the most inane excuses! The media accepts them, people believe them and everyone moves along!!! The best thing that ever happened as far as Bill, was that Monica saved her dress!

  110. Another hopeful by-product? Because the Dems smell an opportunity to go after Trump and Barr, the Epstein debacle is receiving mainstream coverage in a manner no other ‘Arkanside-suspected’ demise has ever had. Just like Nadler’s crazy impeachment witch-hunt, TDS is getting the better of their political judgement.
    They’re playing with a two-edged sword where the sharper side is pointed at the Dem’s throats.

  111. TomA says:

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
    In July 2016, Seth Rich was shot in the back twice with small .22 caliber bullets, arrived alive at the ER and was successfully treated via surgery, and given a good prognosis. He was then mysteriously moved to a secluded non-standard room in the hospital and died unexpectedly shortly thereafter. Both the FBI and local DC police were complicit in the coverup.
    And now Jeffery Epstein commits suicide in his cell in NYC.
    The rot is deep, and it’s not going away anytime soon.

    • GenEarly says:

      I had not heard of the Seth saga as you presented, only that he was murdered and quickly Forgotten by all except us in the Conspiracy Facts crowd.
      However there was a Supreme Court Justice who was found Dead under suspicious circumstances in a suspicious location. Then quickly cremated with No Autopsy or even a pretended sham investigation.
      I still think the full exposure of JFK’s Murder Coup would destroy the Deep State when laid out as a timeline to the Current Coup against President Trump.

    • mugzey302 says:

      Also, it was reported that 2 MIB came into Seth’s room and told the medical staff to leave. The clean-up crew, I guess. And wasn’t that lying wench Donna Brazille in the hospital at the time? Pffftt – this intelligence community is every bit as disgustingly immoral and corrupt as Hitler’s was and the KGB.

    • Peppurr says:

      Wow. I didn’t know that about Seth. smh

  112. redthunder238 says:

    While it is “fishy”, Epstein killing himself isn’t shocking. His life was over. Child predators are NOT treated well in jail/prison. Death is preferable to that IMO.

    • Daniel says:

      The materials used, as reported, were impossible to have been used in the manner described. The sheets are made to prevent the making of rope which could support the weight of a 6′ tall adult male.
      Either he was murdered or he was relocated under the witness protection program. I don’t see other possibilities in this. And if he was murdered, then there’s a LOT of accounting to do in terms of finding out who did what and why. And if he was relocated under the witness protection program, then we just sit back and wait for forms of subtle confirmation as we look for additional related criminal charges and usual forms of evidence.
      Ultimately, I don’t believe we’re going to know the truth about all of what had happened. But I don’t prefer the Epstein died in this way. He was just the site manager. He wasn’t the boss and we also want to know who were his frequent flyers.

      • Beau Geste says:

        Who told Acosta that prosecuting Epstein with his 53-page draft indictment “was above his pay grade” and Epstein was connected with the intelligence community? Why doesn’t ANYONE ask? buehler, buehler…..

      • Dee Paul Deje says:

        There’s a ‘photo’ of Epstein being wheeled into the hospital on a gurney. Have you ever seen a dead body on a gurney with the face uncovered? Hmmm.

        • Justin Green says:

          Allegedly they were still trying to revive him, which would mean that he may have still had a faint pulse, and would require the sheet not be covering his head.
          We should all be very careful about assertions. I stepped in a pile yesterday about another fact.
          It is all fishy as hell, and nobody trusts the FBI or DOJ now because of Muh Rusha and Clinton’s emails, Benghazi and the rest.

          • GenEarly says:

            “Our” Feral Government has done very little to nothing to inspire trust or confidence. Patriots love their Country and Constitution; Gubmint not so much, just lies and deceptions.
            Funny False “money”, in direct violation of the Original Constitution, Will Bring the Country Down, zzzzzzzz until there is a disaster that “no one saw coming”.
            Sheesh, Are We really this Ignorant???? Based on past history, Yes.

          • RobInPA says:

            Right.
            Can you determine from the picture if he was intubated or if a trach tube was inserted and stabilized with tape?
            What about a bag valve mask, or ANY O2 delivery system? Can you see that or equipment from either of the two above affixed to that person’s face?!
            No?
            Then he likely wasn’t being ‘revived’.

        • LULU says:

          I couldn’t figure out how he was carried out of the jail in a body bag, yet was being rendered a resuscitation procedure (oxygen mask) as he was wheeled into the hospital. Later.
          There’s timing glitch in there…

        • HillaryisGuilty says:

          When dead bodies are on a gurney, they are covered. If not in a body bag, in a blanket. Most of the time it’s in a zippered body bag. I’ve had to clean a few bodies before transport to a funeral home; then lift them onto a gurney with help from other staff before transport. Again, the bodies are covered, including the face of the deceased. The challenge is wheeling the gurney down a narrow ramp at 2am without tipping it over.
          I don’t know if that was Epstein or not. Chances are, we’ll never know.

        • Funny ..right…I believe it is “maskyrovka”……foreign Intel ASSET-JE-…died like that…no way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • I think it was assisted suicide; is that legal in federal prisons?

      • swissik says:

        I am repeating myself when saying this: a guy like Epstein doesn’t commit suicide. He considers himself to be indestructible.

    • mike says:

      Way too early for an experienced opportunist like Epstein to give up that he would not find a bargaining point, an out or amelioration (hope of future Prez “Hillary” pardon 2021, sooner or later.
      My internal odds say 2/3+rds he was killed, 1/6 (or less he suicided), 1/6 (or less) he was escaped, kidnapped or witness protection. If that sounds too naïve or escapist, then I would say 80%-90% odds he was murdered, and less on the others.

      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        A guy who the system has always protected in the past….. why would he have believed that it wouldn’t do so now? He had another bail hearing coming up. He had a mountain of information to trade in exchange for leniency. Moreover he was probably a sociopath, or at least a narcissist. Suicide is for people with a conscience.
        I give much lower odds than you do that he did the job himself

    • Justin Green says:

      He’d gotten special treatment before. He has friends in high places. I say it’s 50/50 at best as to whether he wanted to commit suicide.

  113. k4jjj says:

    Oh, if we only had Inspector Clouseau to investigate this. He could ask his brilliant questions needed here such as: “Does your dog bite?”

  114. Madmax110 says:

    Rest assured, the Clinton division of the FBI is gonna make sure everything of importance is highly sanitized with hammers, blow torches and bleach.
    Anything missed will get a bullet in the back of the head.

    • mike says:

      Must have been an inflamed prostate.

      • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

        As someone postulated on,”quite frankly “; the medical examiner called the MCCas he was preparing to start the autopsy. His question was,” who’s body is this?”

  115. Dukeroyal says:

    This screams “hit job” from top to bottom.

    • Daniel says:

      Murdered or in witness protection. If he was removed from custody by ‘the bad guys’ then I doubt they would have let him live after removing him. So just two possibilities.
      I’d be very interested to know why someone would rule out witness protection.

      • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

        If he was removed by the bad guys seems odd that we would have pictures. Of course who knows when and where they were really taken

    • Daniel says:

      I find it hard to believe Epstein Island hasn’t already been searched before the other day. Every criminal who may have had evidence in his home or other location would have their stuff searched.
      On the other hand, if he were removed to prevent him from being murdered and had revealed new information about where to find certain evidence, that might explain why they went out there when they did. After all, it is believed he ran an operation which was for more than pleasure — it was for control over powerful people. Might they find recordings of these powerful people there if they were told where to look?

      • Right to reply says:

        Truth be told, they will just keep it for themselves and force future leaders they don’t like to choke before voting day! How the hell the secret services of the globe have been allowed so much power is beyond me!

      • Justin Green says:

        Oh, it was probably already searched alright. By some Clinton contractors.

    • lady4trump says:

      Epstein is getting more coverage than Justice Antonin Scalia got when he was offed in the Texas wilderness. Somehow, every official attending to deaths was on vacation, and the substitutes did everything wrong that could have been done wrong. Then there was the hours long stretch where the hearse and body were ‘missing’, which I believe was when he was cremated. Before he ever left Texas. His behavior was odd, as well, almost like he knew it was ‘coming’. He belonged to that oddball group whose name I can’t recall, who all cleared out before the ‘law’ arrived.
      They got away with it. Big funeral ceremony, blah blah blah. No truth to be found anywhere. Then came Las Vegas and the murders afterwards of those who wanted to get to the bottom of it by contacting other people who were in that crowd. Now here’s Epstein.

  116. Beau Geste says:

    Imagine that you are AG William Barr, and you are honest. You now realize that you are helpless because the DOJ and FBI and even the prison system, are not only corrupt, but incompetent and murderous. You have full, complete Constitutional declassification authority directly from the President, but FBI director Wray, the head of the DNI and others l simply refuse or “can’t find anything”. You can’t rely on the DOJ even keeping witnesses such as Whitey Bulger, epstein, or investigators of the clintons, alive and breathing. You see your DOJ arrogantly “declining” to prosecute clear criminality of its buddies/conspirators. You do not even know who to trust, except when it surfaces by revealed behavior.
    It is critical to have many new non-spook, honest, competent people put into the DOJ/FBI. Then “new”, reliable, non-multigenerational-inbred people need to be introduced into the CIA/DNI/StateDepartment. There are recent non-percutaneous “Brain-scan” developments that could be very useful (lie detector tests are not), which can likely detect sociopathy (or past or present allegiance to the NYT or CNN…). Barr (and PDJT) could use such systems to interrogate prospective appointments, and current staff. To close-working staff: “Are you working for/with the Clintons or CIA or Soros, or ….”
    To existing “staff” such as Jessie Liu: “Who told you not to indict James Wolfe for leaking the FISA Warrants, and not to prosecute the Awans…? … and all of the classified and other “leakers” in the FBI/DOJ identified by the IG?… etc”
    No one likes “lie-detector” tests for a job, but Barr needs to identify all those who he can trust throughout the DOJ/FBI, and the others can sit at their desks watching CNN. This is permissible for security clearance, which is necessary for the jobs Barr needs to have functioning, and free of corruption.

  117. tozerbgood8315 says:

    Shrieking heard from his cell that morning???
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/
    “On the morning of Jeffrey Epstein’s death there was shouting and shrieking from his jail cell, a source familiar with the situation told CBS News. Corrections officers attempted to revive him while saying ‘breathe, Epstein, breathe.'”
    LOL – Somehow, they managed to keep El Chapo alive though… even though he had dirt on a lot of people.

    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      Attempting to save a hanging victim protocol ,calls for pulling both ends of the sheet and shouting “BREATH” loudly 4times, doncha know?
      The Epstein procedure ,handbook pg 3.

  118. Phil says:

    Why hasn’t the estimated time of death been released? That should have been easily established.

    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Many easily established things have not been released.

      • tozerbgood8315 says:

        Info slowly being doled out to keep the focus off of other things in the media… like mass shootings & politicians attempting to infringe on our 2A rights, and Trump considering it.

        • farrier105 says:

          The one smokescreens the other. You tell two different stories about a “hack” of the DNC, you use a mass shooting to pull all the news coverage away from the claimed “hack.” That way no one remembers that the first story was only 2 files were stolen, emails were only “read/monitored” by the “Russian hackers.” It was more like a fraternity prank. After 10 days of Orlando Pulse, everyone forgot, or never knew, there was a “Russian hack” of the DNC.
          “Make a noise in the East. Strike in the West.”

    • lurker2 says:

      An autopsy was completed but the results haven’t been released yet. I’m not sure why you think everything should be released to the public ASAP. There’s an ongoing investigation into his death.

      • tozerbgood8315 says:

        All the questions being asked, they already know the answers to, and could have easily answered them in mere minutes instead of dragging this farce out to the Nth degree, doling out little bits of info over time at a measure pace.

    • Beau Geste says:

      Right after he stopped shrieking?

  119. Jenevive says:

    Did anyone just hear POTUS comments on clinton/epstein at
    his presser today. POTUS went there. He said why did B Clinton name
    appear 27 time on the logs (of the plane) yet Clinton said only 4 times.
    The POTUS mentioned has Bill ever been to “The Island” find that
    out you will find out lots…then POTUS mention that Epstein and Clinton
    were good friends..POTUS ende by saying find out if Bill went
    to “the Island”..I have never been there….
    OMG heads will explode….

    • lurker2 says:

      I noticed one MSM channel I was watching the other day said “4 trips” for Clinton with Epstein. But those 4 trips involved 27 distinct flights, apparently. 27 sounds a lot worse than 4, no doubt the reason why they used 4.

    • Peppurr says:

      Calling extra secret service for the President and his family ! President Trump sure has guts!

  120. Julian says:

    Good news folks.
    Former AAG is officially a “White Hat”. I heard him announce this fact in the above interview.
    How many other White Hats have had the courage to stand up and announce they are White Hats?

  121. tozerbgood8315 says:

    FBI spends a day of Leisure at Epstein’s Island – seriously…you just can’t make stuff this up.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7349729/Dozen-FBI-agents-raid-Jeffrey-Epsteins-Pedophile-Island.html
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    • lurker2 says:

      Do we have any attorneys who can comment on this? If the New York FBI wants to raid a person’s home in the Virgin Islands, don’t they need proper authority to do so? Doesn’t that need to be negotiated or worked out through courts?

      • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

        The 2 attorneys that handle JEs financials are busy lawyering up,themselves.

        • lurker2 says:

          I was asking about how the FBI would go about securing the necessary warrants or whatever to search a property in the Virgin Islands.

          • BitchyPants says:

            It was said that Epstein conducted all of his business from USVI due to their laws being different than those in the US?
            My guess continues to be that they figured out that the corpse delivered to the medical examiner was finally determined NOT to be Epstein and they are there trying to figure out where he is –
            I don’t Epstein ever flew back to the US in the first place – why would he?

  122. lettruthspeak says:

    If you believe Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide or is even dead you must be in need of a brain cell, or two. The lies of the elites are coming home to roost. All the fakery that they have been perpetrating on the public for decades is coming home to roost, and only feeble-minded loons believe anything on the glow box. It’s called “television programming” for a reason, people. All BS, all the time. Nothing is factual. The conspiracy is that what you are told on a daily basis by the game show hosts masquerading as journalists is THE CONSPIRACY. Hello, McFly.

    • lurker2 says:

      I believe Epstein committed suicide and I’m completely rational. He had every reason to be despondent. He fought his Florida case and it turned out that one was easy for him. But I think he knew this time he would not escape punishment, probably would be put away for the rest of his life. SDNY wasn’t messing around, they raided his New York townhome ASAP and made sure he could not be out on bail. Contrast that with the Florida case, Acosta’s team never even took his computers and worked hard to give him a stunningly sweat and easy plea deal with barely any punishment.

  123. LULU says:


    It would have been extremely difficult for Mr. Epstein to harm himself had he still been on suicide watch, a second prison official said, also speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of dismissal.
    Inmates on suicide watch are generally placed in a special observation cell, surrounded with windows, with a bolted down bed and no bedclothes, the official said. A correction officer — or sometimes a fellow inmate trained to be a “suicide companion” — is typically assigned to sit in an adjacent office and monitor the inmate constantly.
    Robert Gangi, an expert on prisons and the former executive director of the Correctional Association of New York, said guards also generally take shoelaces and belts away from people on suicide watch. “It’s virtually impossible to kill yourself,” Mr. Gangi said.
    Inmates can only be removed from the watch when the program coordinator, who is generally the chief psychologist at the facility, deems they are no longer at imminent risk for suicide, according a 2007 Bureau of Prison document outlining suicide prevention policies. The inmates cannot be removed from the watch without a face-to-face psychological evaluation.

    More here:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch.html

    • Elle says:

      Ali Watkins wrote this? LOL! Well, since she pimped herself, I guess she has unique insight on someone like Epstein.

      • lurker2 says:

        GOOD CATCH!!! I can hardly believe she’s still working for the New York Times. Sheesh.
        If anyone can comment to her article, please point out to all who she is!

  124. tozerbgood8315 says:

    LOL – Hillary uses Epstein to argue for gun control
    https://i.imgflip.com/37xe1f.jpg

    • Justin Green says:

      One update needed. It’s always good to be as transparent about your statistics as possible.
      * statistics exclude people who know the Clintons personally.

    • farrier105 says:

      Well, if she had to spend some time in a place like that, she might think differently.

  125. Elle says:

    Why are they being allowed to change the narrative from “sex slavery” and pedophilia (which refers to prepubescent children) to 16yr+ underage paid prostitutes? That’s horrible enough, but they don’t call it pedo-island for nothing. There is enough info in the public domain to know it’s far worse than being presented.

  126. slothb77 says:

    Who is the cellmate that was moved out of the cell on Friday, August 9th, the day before the suicide? Why is that name not being released? Epstein’s former cellmate’s name, Tartaglione, was all over the place. But no mention of the name of the new cellmate. And first it was reported he was out on bail. Then it was corrected to he was moved to another cell or facility. A lot of inconsistencies there. And Tartaglione says he has information for prosecutors. He is probably trying to cut a deal to get off death row, though.

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