Transcript of President Trump and AG Bill Barr Citizenship and Census Announcement…

Rather than listen to media pundits explain what President Trump and AG Bill Barr said today at the White House, here’s the transcript:

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much everyone. Are you a citizen of the United States of America? “Oh, gee, I’m sorry, I just can’t answer that question.” And that’s after spending billions and billions of dollars. There used to be a time when you could answer questions like that very easily. There used to be a time when you could proudly declare, “I am a citizen of the United States.”

Now they’re trying to erase the very existence of a very important word and a very important thing: citizenship. They’re even coming after the Pledge of Allegiance in Minnesota. I’m proud to be a citizen. You’re proud to be a citizen. The only people who are not proud to be citizens are the ones who are fighting us all the way about the word, “citizen.”

Today I’m here to say we are not backing down on our effort to determine the citizenship status of the United States population. I stand before you to outline new steps my administration is taking to ensure that citizenship is counted so that we know how many citizens we have in the United States. Makes sense?

We will defend the right of the American people to know the full facts about the population size of citizens and non-citizens in America. It is essential that we have a clear breakdown of the number of citizens and non-citizens that make up the U.S. populations. Imperative.

Knowing this information is vital to formulating sound public policy, whether the issue is healthcare, education, civil rights, or immigration. We must have a reliable count of how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegal aliens are in our country.

The Department of Commerce sensibly decided to include a citizenship question in the 2020 Census, as has been done many, many times throughout the history of the United States.

Unfortunately, this effort was delayed by meritless litigation. As shocking as it may be, far-left Democrats in our country are determined to conceal the number of illegal aliens in our midst. They probably know the number is far greater, much higher than anyone would have believed before. Maybe that’s why they fight so hard.

This is part of a broader left-wing effort to erode the rights of the American citizen. And it’s very unfair to our country.

The Supreme Court ultimately affirmed our right to ask the citizenship question. And, very strongly, it was affirmed. But the Supreme Court ruled that we must provide further explanation that would have produced even more litigation and considerable time delays.

The case is already in three federal district courts that have been, to be totally honest, extremely unfriendly to us. These delays would have prevented us from completing the census on time. It’s deeply regrettable, but it will not stop us from collecting the needed information — and I think even in greater detail and more accurately. Therefore, we are pursuing a new option to ensure a complete and timely count of the non-citizen population.

Today, I will be issuing an executive order to put this very plan into effect immediately. I’m hereby ordering every department and agency in the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and non-citizens in our country. They must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately.

We will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full, complete, and accurate count of the non-citizen population, including databases maintained by the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.

We have great knowledge in many of our agencies. We will leave no stone unturned. The Census Bureau projected that using previously available records, it could determine citizenship for 90 percent of our population or more.

With today’s executive order, which eliminates long-standing obstacles to data sharing, we’re aiming to count everyone. Ultimately, this will allow us to have an even more complete count of citizens than through asking the single question alone. It will be, we think, far more accurate.

The Census Bureau can use this information, along with information collected through the questionnaire, to create the official census. In other words, as a result of today’s executive order, we will be able to ensure the 2020 Census generates an accurate count of how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegal aliens are in the United States of America. Not too much to ask.

This will greatly inform a wide array of public policy decisions. This information is also relevant to administering our elections. Some states may want to draw state and local legislative districts based upon the voter-eligible population.

Indeed, the same day the Supreme Court handed down the census decision, it also said it would not review certain types of districting decisions, which could encourage states to make such decisions based on voter eligibility.

With today’s order, we will collect all of the information we need to conduct an accurate census and to make responsible decisions about public policy, voting rights, and representation in Congress.

In everything we do, we will faithfully represent the people of the United States of America.

I would like now to introduce Attorney General Bill Barr to the podium. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. (Applause.)

ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR: Good evening. Thank you, Mr. President. And congratulations on today’s executive order, which will ensure that we finally have an accurate understanding of how many citizens and non-citizens live in our country.

As the Supreme Court recognized, it would be perfectly lawful for the federal government to ask on the census whether individuals are citizens of the United States. And it’s entirely reasonable to want to know how many citizens and non-citizens there are in the United States.

In fact, the federal government has routinely asked questions relating to citizenship ever since the 1820s. But while the Supreme Court correctly recognized that it would be entirely appropriate to include citizenship questions on the census, it nevertheless held that the Commerce Department did not adequately explain its decisions for doing so on the 2020 Census — because, as the Supreme Court recognized, the defect in the Commerce Department’s decision was curable with a better record.

The President asked me to work with Secretary Ross to determine whether there remained a viable path for including a citizenship question on the census. I did so.

In my view, the government has ample justification to inquire about citizenship status on the census, and could plainly provide rationales for doing so that would satisfy the Supreme Court. And therefore, there is no question that a new decision to add the question would ultimately survive legal review.

The problem is that any new decision would be subject to immediate challenge as a new claim in the three ongoing district court cases. In addition, there are injunctions currently in place that forbid adding the question. There is simply no way to litigate these issues and obtain relief from the current injunctions in time to implement any new decision without jeopardizing our ability to carry out the census, which we’re not going to do. We’re not going to jeopardize our ability to carry out the census.

So as a practical matter, the Supreme Court’s decision closed all paths to adding the question to the 2020 census. Put simply, the impediment was not — it was a logistical impediment, not a legal one. We simply cannot complete the litigation in time to carry out the census.

One other point on this: Some in the media have been suggesting, in the hysterical mode of the day, that the administration has been planning to add the citizenship question to the census by executive fiat without regard to contrary court orders or what the Supreme Court might say. This has been based on rank speculation and nothing more.

As should be obvious, there has never been under cons- — this has never been under consideration. We have always accepted that any new decision to add a citizenship question to the census would be subject to judicial review.

Turning to today, I applaud the President for recognizing in his executive order that including a question on the census is not the only way to obtain this vital information. The course the President has chosen today will bring unprecedented resources to bear on determining how many citizens and non-citizens are in our country, and will yield the best data the government has had on citizenship in many decades. That information will be used for countless purposes, as the President explained in his remarks today.

For example, there is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes. Depending on the resolution of that dispute, this data may be relevant to those considerations. We will be studying this issue.

Congratulations again, Mr. President, on taking this effective action.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you, Bill. (Applause.) Thank you very much.

END TRANSCRIPT – 5:48 P.M. EDT

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233 Responses to Transcript of President Trump and AG Bill Barr Citizenship and Census Announcement…

  1. Greatest. President. Ever.
    And I never get tired of saying it.
    Nobody can stump our President Trump.

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    • 813.52Ran says:

      Just like a cat batting a mouse around between it’s paws.

      Liked by 10 people

    • Daniel M. Camac says:

      Seneca, Best Haiku ever. Good to see you here. BTW- If it isn’t a haiku, tough sh*t.

      Liked by 9 people

    • Have I got this right?

      We are celebrating the CREATION of ANOTHER GIANT DATABASE?

      DJT won’t always be POTUS and as Limbaugh has pointed out every time the republicans do the dirty work and turn the country around the sheeple then return the damocrats to power!

      I get it. POTUS is doing the best with what he has but as long as ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS are getting an “E” ticket to the gravy train they are going to keep coming.

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      • Former lurker says:

        I’ve heard it argued that public schools are to blame for the slaughter of modern war because that all important list of military age men in didn’t really exist before nations got in the compulsory education business.

        He’s not collecting new data, he’s attempting to cross reference existing data in a way that will allow an accurate accounting of how many in each category are here in a manner that the swamp must accept it. Right now, it’s all winks, nods and shrugs.

        The data is only segregated to help maintain the fiction that the Swamp doesn’t track us at will when it wants and provide a smoke screen to justify profligate spending and hide massive election meddling by foreign agents living amongst us.

        The figures must be damning for them to fight against an accurate public ledger so hard.

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        • highdezertgator says:

          We will find out how well these agencies cooperate… Wilburine will be watching and scoring… applying real word yard stick to systems and processes.

          Edwards Deming: “Improve constantly and forever every process for planning, production and service.”
          Using data to evaluate what is working and what isn’t is a very valuable management practice. … and buried in the data is the “Truth”.

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        • zorrorides says:

          We can use an accurate public ledger of who receives the big spending too.

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        • Raghn Crow says:

          Your point about public schools is good. Great, actually. Apparently the Prussians developed the system of public education that was both mandatory and ordered into classes by age. In a word, regimented. They were “an army in search of a country,” as the saying went. The old American system was the one-room school house, wherein the smart kids (of whatever age) worked together and the less smart (of whatever age) worked together, on down. The teacher (my father’s grandfather was a one-room school house teacher) went between the groups and kept them at it — with strict discipline. Also, the older kids helped keep the younger ones in line. It worked like a charm. So of course, gov stopped it.

          Horace Mann, I believe it was, went to Prussian-controlled Wilhelmine Germany in the 1880s, learned how their regimented, “factory schooling” was done, and brought that system back here. Then John Dewey, 1859 to 1952, began dumbing us all down — he was a socialist and set to work making us stupid. My father graduated in 1932 and had what would today have been a Master’s Degree worth of learning; I graduated in 1977 and had to teach myself (after I graduated, mind you) how to read and write — and certainly how to think. (Read a lot of Aristotle, who wasn’t even taught in university when I finally went to that.)

          TWIW

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        • Zachary says:

          It’s exactly as you say!

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      • The_Real Bob W. says:

        Those who argue citizenship isn’t a valid piece of census data are also arguing for the end of a sovereign United States, regardless of the words or rationales they use.

        Those who celebrate the creation of yet another massive governmental database in conjunction with more focused and “enhanced” analytics might want to purchase T-shirts silkscreened: We’re from the government and we’re here to help.

        Time always tells, but this sure has the smell of a good idea, highly dubiously implemented. IMHO.

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      • timothy says:

        trees forest.

        The fight is a battle throughout Christendom between Glabalists and Nationalists. Pelosi, a Globalist has made it explicit that borders and citizenship are a moral wrong; Trump has explicitly defended nationalism.

        That is where the moral level of this war lies. It does not lie upon the existence or non existence of databases. Nor does it lie along other procedural routes like the rule of law or the opinions of John Roberts.

        Its war to the hilt. Use any and all means to win it. When we the people win, the proper role and or existence of databases will be subject to the rules of our people

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    • jbt says:

      Bet the libs now regret blocking the census question; they could have cheated on that, at least.

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    • emet says:

      Again, Trump picks up the sledge. Before this is over ICE will have names and locations of almost every illegal. Now, suppose Calif AG files suit to stop information sharing? POTUS: Thanks for reminding me, I’m ordering IRS to stop providing tax scofflaw info to your Franchise Tax Board. Figure it out yourself who owes you. All states with state income taxes rely on IRS info. They could not operate without it.

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    • Bubby says:

      Seneca I agree but what happens when an obama District Federal Judge invalidates the EO for whatever reason i.e. exceeding his authority or some other legalese? My guess is the Judge shopping by the left/lawfare is currently in progress!

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    • FrankieZee says:

      And the FAKE NEWS are all saying he folded. What a joke.

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    • Michael Alexander says:

      IDK… I’m afraid that I see NOTHING in this that will have any impact whatsoever on legislative districting. This does NOTHING to change the dynamic wherein states with more “non-citizens” – i.e., Sanctuary States – get more representation in Congress, based on their greater population numbers. Somebody please tell me I’m wrong so that I can join this celebration we’re apparently supposed to be having…

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  2. merlintobie says:

    The Dims are complaining about counting illegal aliens. As an American citizen, I am complaining that they HERE T ALL, squatting illegally in my country – diluting my vote & squandering taxpayer funds.

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  3. Trumpaholic says:

    Any bets on how many illegals running around the country? I say approx. 35 million

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    • trishinsouthernillinois says:

      Between 50 -100 mil

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    • free.and.true says:

      I doubt we’ll ever know the full extent, since a bunch of them are likely to skedaddle their own butts outta the country before they get caught using fake SSNs and such. So the census probably won’t have so many to count.

      But I’d say your guesstimate is somewhere in the ballpark.

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    • Harlan says:

      It really is impossible to say at the moment. But the idea that there have been only 11 or 12 mil illegals here for the last three decades is ludicrous. 3 to 4 times that, at least.

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      • Pa Hermit says:

        Wasn’t it just after Bush II that it was somewhere around 10-12 million? That was 20 years ago! IMHO that was a low ball number then! That would be maybe accurate in the mid 80’s. That would put us somewhere in the 45 million bracket. Politicians have been paying lip service for way too long! Finally we get a POTUS with an iron set and will find a way to find out how many are really here! Thank you POTUS!

        MAGA and Keep Us Great!

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    • MaineCoon says:

      The population of CA!

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    • whodoneit says:

      You certainly could be right. Every day OAN (One America News) updates the total of how many illegals are presently in our country – which they have at 26 1/2 million, and how much they are costing the American taxpayer – as well as other reliable figures. OAN is really the only news network to be counted on – and President Trump agrees.

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    • tvollrath66 says:

      I say 80 million or more. 40 million here in florida. I would even bet they are costing trillions instead of 100s of millions. Our EVSGPOTUS keeps making me ask ..how come this was never done before…of course we know why.

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  4. simplewins says:

    Just consider the size of the database that DHS has from all these illegals from just the last few years.

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  5. DJT2020 says:

    Has a cope of the EO been released yet?

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  6. Eric Kennedy says:

    The key part:

    Trump: The Census Bureau can use this information, along with information collected through the questionnaire, to create the official census. In other words, as a result of today’s executive order, we will be able to ensure the 2020 Census generates an accurate count of how many citizens, non-citizens, and illegal aliens are in the United States of America. Not too much to ask.

    This will greatly inform a wide array of public policy decisions. This information is also relevant to administering our elections. Some states may want to draw state and local legislative districts based upon the voter-eligible population.

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    • dallasdan says:

      All of which will be re-cycled through the lawfare process with endless claims/suits alleging faulty/discriminatory counting which impacts representation. Another win for the resistance.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        All while Democrat and Republican voters alike see them fighting to not count illegals. That’s a win because a large majority of people don’t want to pay for illegals.

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  7. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Is it just me, or does it seem that both POTUS and Barr gave Chief Justice Roberts and the Dems a bit FU today in their Announcement?

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  8. Bob says:

    Has an injunction against his EO been issued yet? You know it is coming to be issued by a tyrant in black robes.

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  9. trialbytruth says:

    This method may get some push back from the resistance ( Feel free to fire any and all Mr President ) It also may/will get some form of lawfare attack None the less He will have numbers long before a census count is Finished.

    He may even have them before Nov 2020 😋

    My guess 30+ million

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  10. Paul Hanlon says:

    Ever since the Democrats stood him up at Christmas, when he stayed in the White House, President Trump has been relentless in trying to fix the Immigration and Border issues.

    Longest ever shutdown trying to get funding.

    Culminating in the National Emergency to gather the funds necessary.

    Sacking and replacing the cucks in DHS who were soft on immigration, including Kelly and Nielson.

    Helping the We Build The Wall folks in getting permits to build. They’re currently on Project Two, and say they have ten sites where private owners have asked them to build.

    I believe, according to McAleenan (if you can trust him), a mile of wall a day is being built, although it would be nice to see some pictures.

    Tariffing Mexico to force them to help keep the “asylum seekers” away from the border. The ninety days run out in about two months. Guatemala have bent the knee as well, apparently

    Fighting the courts on every adverse decision they make. I think with the latest Senate vote on judges, the ninth circuit will be 13-13, with three more vacancies to fill. That alone will be a major win into the future, and will stop a lot of the Judicial politicisation.

    Deportations coming up, with 1,000,000 court decisions already made. It wouldn’t surprise me if the leaks about the locations two weeks ago were deliberate to see what the reaction would be, so they can counter it this time round.

    And now this. He has utterly exposed the Democrats for the open border globalist hypocrites that they are, and he has stretched them to breaking point, and he’ll keep on pushing it until he has broken them completely.

    Relax guys and gals, P Trump’s got this

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  11. lotbusyexec says:

    Local, county, state, federal… Now global as Ms. Pelosi said today? I don’t know about most of you BUT I live in my tiny house, in a sleepy town, in a big city, and pay HUGE state taxes to a dysfunctional state government (NY for those wondering) and my taxes (stealing of my husband and my intellectual properties) are being used to pay for things we would never EVER want to “donate” our combined income to — all we have have ever wanted to do was to have some extra cash in our pockets and NOT live pay check to pay check. They are making it IMPOSSIBLE for the “middle-class” to be anything more than the “paying-class”. So PLEASE PDJT and AG Barr I want and DESERVE to KNOW how many illegal citizens there are in my town, city, state and the US in total. Enough already! AS a taxpayer who works hard for every cent brought in this is unsustainable. I live locally and am more than OK providing my fair share BUT to have NO boundaries or sense of sovereignty in the country I love – this I cannot nor will not accept.

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    • WSB says:

      I concur, and I live nearby. For now.

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    • Daniel M. Camac says:

      lotbusyexec, Sounds like taxation without representation to me. Doesn’t that ring a bell?
      So far our VSGPDJT has suppressed our COLD ANGER to take out these vile politicians who love illegals, etc. and I am gad he is doing this. BUT if things start going really wrong I believe we have enough Deplorables who love this country to stand up and defend the rights we are afforded in the Constitution and Bill of RIghts and we WILL prevail.
      BTW-The Adirondacks are God’s gift to any human who wants to explore the real wilderness.

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    • Interesting post lotbusyexec.

      When the feds find out who the illegals are and where they live do the hard working taxpayers get to know?

      Do we get to know who might be the guy or gal who is stealing our SS# and where they live?

      Do we get to know for sure how many are in our congressional district and if they are or are not being counted for representation?

      It would be nice to see the light shone on all of the lawbreaking and other slightly illegal activities the illegals are involved in.

      From how many of their children are in our overburdened local schools to how many of them are using our over taxed local medical facilities.

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    • NJF says:

      Another fellow New Yorker here (Long Island, so yea, taxes, taxes, taxes)

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    • whodoneit says:

      Good Lord – I’ve been there in NY for 12 years and ran like hell 10 years ago to Arizona. Even 10 years ago, Long Island was crawling with illegals and I imagine it’s a great deal worse now. My advise is to get the hell out of that state. Get the hell out of the Northeast – period – before you “disappear”.

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  12. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Another question. How long before some illegal aliens start self-deporting now that POTUS is issuing this EO? They know their time of a free ride is about to come to an end.

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    • Honestly, WeThePeople2016, I would guess not very many.

      The illegals here know that so far they are a protected species and will not budge.

      They are an arrogant bunch of freeloaders who will not give up the cushy life provided for them by the American taxpayers until the law is right at their door.

      And while Pelosi and her minions are all over TV telling them they have RIGHTS ( which they don’t by the way) they will hang on thinking they are safe for as long as possible.

      We are not out of the woods yet but getting there.

      Oh Boy are we getting there.

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  13. PinotNoir says:

    Time to get Judge’s names and addresses.

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  14. WSB says:

    I fell down laughing at this one…

    “We will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full, complete, and accurate count of the non-citizen population, including databases maintained by the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.”

    Vast databases…

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  15. Magabear says:

    Funny, lefties are saying that PDJT caved on the citizenship question being on the census. They just got owned and can only react as they always do; emoting their inner ignorance.

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    • Chip Doctor says:

      Once they figure it out they will just come undone. It should be great fun to watch. And how does a CA or HI judge stop this one?

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      • neal s says:

        Just waiting until those who were opposed to the citizenship question, realize that what PDJT will do, is far more accurate and more damaging to the enemies of this country, than what just having the citizenship question would have been. Maybe when this dawns on them, they will then start emergency litigation to insist that the citizenship question actually be asked on the census. (Because the alternative is so much worse for them!)

        And whether the obstructionists manage to put the question back or not, or even delay the census, PDJT will actually have accurate information right on time.

        I pray often for the enemies of MAGA and PDJT to be even more and ever more ridiculous. So far I have yet to be disappointed.

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    • Blister Bill says:

      This was a capitulation. Worse, I’m sure at the urging of that bloated bag blower barr, ceding more executive power to the court(not that it matters much anymore) What’s not being discussed among rational people is why is PDJT trying to sell us on the fact that he has any control over the executive branch. This topic and this topic alone should be the ONLY thing being discussed across conservative blogospheres.

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  16. technerd says:

    I’m just too cynical. So, we are leaving it up to swamp agencies to carry out a task that they don’t want to do. EOs are fine, but the bureaucracy can subvert this until the sun burns out. The citizenship question was taken out by Obama; CJ Roberts lets the challenge stand to remove it. Sounds very familiar to his jujitsu on the Obamacare ruling. I’m generally not a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder what Epstein has on SCOTUS in his vault?

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    • covfefe999 says:

      Trump said: I’m hereby ordering every department and agency in the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and non-citizens in our country. They must furnish all legally accessible records in their possession immediately.

      Wilbur Ross is the Secretary of Commerce. He’s not swamp.

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      • Blue Wildflower says:

        Could this somewhat control illegal voting? At least you would know how many votes their should be in each area. Of course everyone does not vote, but if you have more votes than citizens then you have a big problem.

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        • Maquis says:

          Voting is state level, so this order oughtn’t reach that far. Still, I’m all for a voting integrity national emergency declaration, not a Federalizing of elections, but some nice massive prosecutions and profoundly thorough investigations with follow through monitoring seems doable in a Trump world.

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        • Robert Smith says:

          There would certainly be an interesting challenge when you can say X registered citizens live here but you got 2X votes from there.

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        • Lanna says:

          I recently read that there are at least two districts in CA where only 40% of the residents are citizens, meaning these districts shouldn’t exist at all. Eliminating these districts (they would be incorporated into nearby districts) would mean eliminating their House representatives. This would also reduce the number of CA electors in the Electoral College. Apportionment of electoral votes is determined by the number of elected officials representing each state in Congress. CA currently has 55.

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    • Roni says:

      I’m skeptical bc too many resistance soldiers work in these agencies. Who will be overseeing this project? How can you trust that they’ll collect and submit all that data? After the IRS debacle and spygate NSA, FBI, DOJ, I trust none of these agencies.

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      • Magabear says:

        Looking at things that way, how would we trust the census to be accurate considering that swamp people have involvement with that too? Gotta try to win with the hand we’re dealt.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        The swamp doesn’t have to collect any data – it’s already residing in their data bases. With back up. Lots of back up. By it’s very nature data bases are searchable by any competent IT guy.

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  17. Akindole says:

    From the 30,000 foot view, VSGPOTUS’s method will disclose a lot more illegals than a census that has a very very low return rate. The various agencies have a galactic ton of data on who’s who. If they tap into the states (guaranteed) it even gets worse for the Marxists.

    Dare I suggest he planned it that way?

    Naw.

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  18. WSB says:

    Watch. Edward Snowden comes up with the numbers before Saturday morning.

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  19. Vince says:

    The important questions are can this information be used in redistricting, and can it be used to purge voter rolls?

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    • WSB says:

      According to the 14th Amendment, Secrion 2, our Forefathers outwitted these loons again. There is no assertion that the ‘count’ must be by a formal Census.

      Section 2.

      Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

      _________________

      If we include women’s right to vote, the count would be to determine the count of citizen voters over the age of 21.

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    • Maquis says:

      Barr: “For example, there is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes. Depending on the resolution of that dispute, this data may be relevant to those considerations. We will be studying this issue”

      Hope so!

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      • Lady Sid says:

        Now wasn’t the pre-Civil War Dred Scott SCOTUS decision the one that determined that a slave was 3/5 of a male voter for apportionment purposes, b/c the Democrat South in states like Alabama and Mississippi had very large numbers of enslaved Africans and not so many free white males? Those white boys were happy to do the math to retain political power back then. Perhaps the same thing is happening today in states like CA, where there are large numbers of non-citizens. The Democrats still see that counting these people in some fashion will help them retain political power as the middle class flees the state. Same for NY, IL, NJ, MA etc., leaving behind fewer MEN available to steer the ship of state, but lots of wymyn who would like a shot at it. Gnome sayin’? Yeah, we’re screwed.

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        • Exurban says:

          No, the counting slaves as 3/5 of a citizen for voting apportionment purposes was a compromise worked out in the 1783 Articles of Confederation. The 1857 Dred Scott decision ruled that blacks could not become Amercan citizens; it was eventually nullified by the 14th Amendment.

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          • Maquis says:

            Yup. The compromise was to thwart Southern efforts to breed themselves a larger share of representation in Congress. Some claim it denied the personhood of slaves, in fact it was one of the seeds of the destruction of slavery, as intended.

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          • Bubby says:

            Some things don’t change, the Democrats wanted to count the non voting slaves and today they want to count the so called “non voting” illegal aliens all for political gain in apportionment! Amazing how many are ignorant about the 3/5 of a citizen counting of slaves!

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      • Blister Bill says:

        Cuz illegal aliens deserve representation, too. OMG!! Barr is a GD deep state POS.
        We’re FUBARed people

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    • Muthaucker says:

      The EO states the database info can be used to inform the Census.

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  20. Gregory Sherman says:

    The very idea that a country, any country, can’t be allowed to take a count of its own citizens, even during a census used to determine representation the the House and Electoral College in America’s case, is about the most insane thing imaginable. At the rate things are going, soon the USA will be a sanity free zone.

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  21. goddessoftheclassroom (@goddesofthecl1) says:

    My ancestors entered America legally; most of them entered before America’s independence.
    Several of my ancestors served in our country’s armed forces.
    NONE of my ancestors owned slaves; in fact, many of them deliberately moved out of slates, and at lest one of them served as a stop on the Underground Railroad.
    To those who impugn America and our president: get out of our way.

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    • WSB says:

      I have a similar heritage, goddess. And even if anyone is successful in taking over this country…and we are close…I am standing right next to you.

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    • goddessoftheclassroom (@goddesofthecl1) says:

      Apologies for typos: many of them moved out of slave states

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    • Rileytrips says:

      Goddess, my ancestors (maternal/paternal) arrived in the colonies ( Philadelphia, PA and Charleston, SC) in the mid 1700s – from Germany and England….legally, too. My grandmother and great- grandmother were members of the DAR. An ancestor of mine has fought for this country in
      every war. My father was a Colonel in the Army, my step father was a 20 year old Navy Lt. in a U-boat on D-day in Normandy. One ancestor was Joshua Speed, President Lincoln’s friend from Springfield, IL.
      My point is, there are more legal, traditional citizens than the globalists think there are, here in the USA – patriotic, law abiding, quietly trying to live life without too much federal government interference. We love this country. We were raised to believe “God, family, country”. We have red lines that we will not allow to be crossed. I am glad this President fights for us.

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  22. Impossible says:

    Well, in the robust spirit of civil disobedience, there is a ‘solution.’ —

    Let’s estimate that there are 38 to 39 million ‘non-citizens’ that currently reside in these United States. So, if a like number of LEGAL citizens in decidedly blue states (NY, CA, etc.) decided not fill out the census forms because they “are crestfallen at the idea that citizenship is of no vital concern to today’s third branch of government” then:

    Such an action would fully dilute the representation of non-citizens. So, if you are a citizen in a demon-ocratic state you can diminish its overall representation.

    The Brobdingnagian hate of the “party of slavery” can be countered by refusing to capitalize their schemes.

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  23. Mit says:

    This is very good. Now Trumps people will know how many are on SS, SSI, food stamps,WIC, disability, public housing, who has warrants for arrest etc. And when they fill out the paperwork to get all of this taxpayer money, they have to put down how many people are in their house.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      We will also know how man y people are sharing the same SSN and the same address. Possibly even how many have multiple SSNs.

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  24. CNN_sucks says:

    Disappointing that illegals have more rights than Americans. Race to the bottom, indeed while the super rich get richer on slaves labor.

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  25. sDee says:

    The IRS database can flag 1 or 2 million illegals with a simple query. SO FAR… it has been illegal for them (or employers) to disclose this.

    The IRS database indexes SSNs that have multiple individuals reporting income on the same Social Security Number. In other words they know who is using stolen SSNs and let them be hired and file tax returns anyway.

    The IRS also reports this data to to the 3 major credit bureaus so that no additional income reported by illegals is credited to the legal owner of that SSN, and to keep the illegal users of the SSNs from getting credit cards.

    I do hope our VSG President gets this print out 😉

    The Secret List of ID Theft Victims
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6814673/ns/technology_and_science-security/t/secret-list-id-theft-victims/#.XSfk8K_mDb1

    IRS doesn’t tell 1M taxpayers that illegals stole their Social Security numbers
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/30/irs-doesnt-tell-1-million-taxpayers-that-illegal-i/

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  26. Elric VIII says:

    The Democrats are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. It’s surreal. But Obama left behind a bunch of federal judges (who seemed to have made a lot of donations to his campaign – bribery? or an agreement to follow Obama’s orders after he left office?) who have stymied President Trump’s attempts to enforce the laws passed by Congress.

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      The entire federal dotgov has been seeded with moderate to extreme leftwing fanatics for decades. Some agencies, like the EPA are 100% staffed by “The sky is falling!” unicorn herders and rainbow riders. The sludge in the swamp wasn’t all put there by the previous president; he had lots of help before him.

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  27. simplewins says:

    Loving it today. I am NOT tired of winning!
    MAGA
    KAG

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  28. emeraldcoaster says:

    AG Barr, “…there is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes.” I imagine this comment caused a few Dem pols to cringe.

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    • MDNA I says:

      He turned the tables. The “dominant narrative” from MSM & Dems has been that the DOJ & Admin’s position was purely political. Their actual position is directly political & that remark highlighted it

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  29. WVPatriot says:

    I bet the Democrats are shi**ing so many bricks the proctologists in Washington are having to work overtime!

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  30. WVPatriot says:

    ADMIN…was my comment censored?

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  31. namberak says:

    “For example, there is a current dispute over whether illegal aliens can be included for apportionment purposes. Depending on the resolution of that dispute, this data may be relevant to those considerations. We will be studying this issue.” It is The. Issue. There is no other. Without getting seats in Congress based on false numbers, the democrat party is doomed.

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  32. Darklich123 says:

    If you get caught using a fake social security number automatic 5 year prison sentence. Not even Democrat’s can be against that.

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    • CoffeeBreak says:

      Oh, but they are. And, the RINOs are right there with them. These people do not give one flying fig about the American taxpayer. At least two people have been using my SSN for at least fifteen years. It was accidentally revealed to me at a gov’t office who then tried to walk back the information.

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      • Rileytrips says:

        It’s a huge black market. SS# from the deceased are used, but more recently there is a huge market for SS# of minor children citizens who haven’t entered the workforce yet, and disabled/elderly people who cannot work. The illegals stealing our identities definitely need to be deported, but also, their employers need to have huge fines.

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  33. because language matters, the issue isn’t “including” a citizenship question on the census, it is “returning” the citizenship question to the census (as is not only common sense, but also common sense throughout the world. (perhaps, given the Left’s love affair with old Europe, they would be happier to adopt Switzerland’s citizenship laws?)

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  34. Bigbadmike says:

    Apologize if this has been made known, but the 2020 census results will not be released until March 31st, 2021. So it will have no impact on the 2020 electoral college. It will affect the 2022 midterms and the 2024 Presidential Race when our favorite President wins his 3rd term.

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  35. OhNoYouDont says:

    EXECUTIVE ORDER – COLLECTING INFORMATION ABOUT CITIZENSHIP STATUS IN CONNECTION WITH THE DECENNIAL CENSUS

    https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1squor5

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  36. Coastal Oak says:

    Sorry but I find this a bit depressing. Congressional districts are apportioned based upon population. Also I’m not sure how we can have confidence in these corrupt federal agencies which regularly go rogue and openly oppose the president on everything.

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    • Bigbadmike says:

      Right. But Texas picked up 4 Congressional Seats in 2010 and Florida 2 Seats and the two cities that cried about the results and sued were Detroit and New York. People are leaving Communist Illinois in droves, so my State will probably lose 2 Congressional Seats in lunatic districts. These will be picked up by Florida, Texas, or Tennessee. It all works out in the end.

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  37. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    Guess the various states that have been selling Driver’s Licenses to illegal aliens are gonna get busy pretty soon running the shredders and ordering up the BleachBit?

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  38. I’ve never understood why we don’t adapt Rush’s solution to immigration, and therefore citizenship (with some liberties):
    1. It’s the law. Follow it. Don’t like it? Change it. Broken? Fix it. Those who break the law, and those who abet those who break the law should be held accountable under the law. Resources recovered under successful prosecution should be designated to further support enforce the of the law, e.g. build a wall, build and maintain modern detention centers, horde crossings, detection technologies, and fund border security personnel,

    2. Those who break the Country’s immigration laws should not become citizens for a specified period of time but not before those who follow our immigration laws.
    3. Those who are not citizens should not expect the rights and benefits of citizenship: e.g., voting and government assistance.
    4. Children of those who come here illegally cannot become citizens until their parents become citizens (who cannot become citizens until those who came here legally become citizens, etc. see #2).
    5. Remittances sent to another country by those who have come here illegally will be subject to a 25% administrative fee dedicated to the citizen and immigration resources outlined in #1. Funds will be matched and doubled by employers who violate the law in employing people here illegally. (Are fines and fees congressional or executive prerogatives?)
    6. Individuals already here illegally, including DACA “children”, may choose to come out of the shadows, as “guest workers” under the conditions as outlined above.
    7. In addition to the conditions above, sanctuary cities will be considered to be in violation of the law, and subject to the consequences of violating the law. Faculties necessary to hold, process and prosecute people here illegally will be located and maintained in said sanctuary cities. Federal funds designated for said sanctuary cities will instead be Re designated (via fines or fees) to fund such programs.
    8. Taxpayer funds may not be used to fund education expenses for indivuals here illegally. Locales in violation will be fined an administrative fee double that of the expenses born by the taxpayer.
    9. Other suggestions?

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  39. Paul Busby says:

    I was happy he had made this decision . Like a home Run.

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  40. SAM-TruthFreedomLiberty says:

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  41. franuche says:

    Quick question: Does “hereby ordering every department and agency in the federal government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records…” fall under the same heading as…

    • Government officials having to obey subpoenas?
    • Prosecutors having to turn over evidence that clears the defendant?
    • Prosecutors having to recuse themselves from a case due to conflicts of interest?

    Am I supposed to believe that the swamp will obey Trump’s “order”? You kidding me? Maybe Trump should make another executive order stating that executive branch employees can’t leak official information to the press. How about an executive order that says executive branch employees can’t stage a coup?

    Give me a break.

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    • highdezertgator says:

      Ground Hog Day – Phil: What would you do if you were stuck in one place and every day was exactly the same, and nothing that you did mattered?
      Ralph: That about sums it up for me. You know, some guys would look at this glass and they would say, you know, “that glass is half empty”. Other guys would say, “that glass is half full”.
      … Gus: I peg you as a glass half empty kinda guy.

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    • neal s says:

      I am actually looking forward to another government shutdown that lasts long enough that we actually get an RIF (Reduction In Force). It seems that those essential workers who kept working during a shutdown, found less interference from the non-essential workers and were able to be more effective and spent less time undoing and redoing what the others would mess up.

      It would be good if it were easier to remove the bad and incompetent and obstructionist government employees.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Somewhere there will probably be a Sally Yates II.

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  42. Justin Green says:

    There still seems to be some confusion as to how apportionment works, despite the ugly condescending response I received in the other thread… apportionment is based on persons and not citizens.

    While the information will be enlightening indeed – to find out that 1/5th of our population aren’t citizens – it won’t affect the census much as far as I can see.

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  43. A2 says:

    If you are really interested in the census questions I recommend reading these two articles posted below. Maybe the temperature will cool down a bit as facts suck the oxygen from the flames of misunderstanding.

    From 2016
    “Census Bureau hopes to use data from other government agencies in 2020”
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/28/census-bureau-2020/

    From 2018
    “What to know about the citizenship question the Census Bureau is planning to ask in 2020”

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/30/what-to-know-about-the-citizenship-question-the-census-bureau-is-planning-to-ask-in-2020/

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    • Maquis says:

      A2 metes out the best homework!

      From the 2016 article:
      “In some cases, the bureau would have to negotiate legal agreements with other government agencies to use their data.”
      That just got agreed for all of them with PDJT’s EO today.

      I also note that the many noted “controversial”/”sensitive” questions did not mention citizenship.

      From the March 2018 article:
      “But the new question’s inclusion has been challenged in court on the grounds that it could cause many immigrants to skip the 2020 census out of fear their information could be used against them, even though it is illegal to share a person’s census responses with law enforcement or immigration agencies.”
      So, Gov couldn’t share a direct census citizenship question answer with law enforcement, but no such restrictions will apply to government data bank gleaned citizenship information…oops. 🙂

      “A lawsuit by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra contends that if the census undercounted immigrants, it would be an incomplete population count that violates its constitutional purpose, which is to divide up seats in the U.S. House of Representatives based on the total U.S. population.”
      As WSB so helpfully provided with the appropriate snippet from our constitution, only citizens count for such representational calculations, yet California actually sued and stated their very intention is to violate the constitution.

      If CA’s concern was truly that LEGAL immigrants would fear the question and deny the state their head count, why would they fear it if they were legal? Are saying that legal immigrants are stupid?

      Much more, very well worth the read. Oh, Ross noted in 2018 that about 30% of non-citizens claimed citizenship on the last census. Just lovely.

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  44. Blue Wildflower says:

    Well, California will lose some house members. Texas may lose house members on the border. When citizens finds out how many illegals are living in this country on our dime, there will be a great awakening. My guess is 60 % up do not have a clue as to what is happening. I have family members and friends that I have given up on. They do not know or understand the term “sanctuary city.” When the uninformed become informed it will become an amazing experience on this earth. The illegals will deport themselves. When Americans realize they are on the edge of losing everything dear to them the democrat party will be finished.

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  45. dallasdan says:

    Both the President and Barr admitted that lawfare won the day for the resistance.

    As we comment presently, there are a multitude of lawsuits being planned to attack the myriad of sources, processes, quantitative methods, and conclusions that will result from the most complicated census in history. The allegations of inaccuracy, discrimination, inter-agency improprieties, and countless other fabricated issues will be litigated endlessly.

    I anticipate legions of bureaucrats trying to navigate through the maze the President is creating will not lead to the solution he and we desire. Instead, a fierce, multi-year verbal and legal argument will commence immediately and persist through publication of any results, thereby delaying indefinitely any meaningful changes to apportionment of seats in the House and votes in the Electoral College.

    This battle was lost in the SCOTUS.

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    • ElGato says:

      Who says he doesn’t have all of the reports now? We’re talking ‘Art of the Deal’/’Art of War’ Zen Master VSGPDJT here. Seriously, he has proven to be five steps ahead of these fools at all times.

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  46. Old School says:

    I’m surprised such a big deal is being made over this question -do they expect people to be honest on it?

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    • golfmann says:

      THAT’S why he said this will be more accurate. it will also be a huge mess. 🙂

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      • Old School says:

        I see. True – sometimes it gets worse before it gets better. Ridiculous to object to an accurate count of who is in our country. Worth the effort.

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  47. golfmann says:

    These databases are going to be SO mis-matched and showing millions and millions of illegals getting this and that, along with social security. This will open it up to REAL reform, I hope and pray!

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  48. fred5678 says:

    “We’re gonna need a bigger spreadsheet, guys!”

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  49. whodoneit says:

    Firstly – since only American “citizens” are to be “represented” by their chosen “representatives” by “legal” votes which only “citizens” can cast – why is an accurate count of said citizens not extremely pertinent? THESE are the people to be REPRESENTED – not non-citizens. And it’s certainly not likely that illegals are going to admit to being so – which really doesn’t matter because we already know that that there are 26 1/2 million and counting. (OAN does their research) And as the question has always been asked since the existence of the census – until Obama removed it in 2010, why can’t Trump re-establish it? – both Presidents – right? Just why can’t Trump decide it’s back on? And Roberts? – this guy quite obviously has his own political agenda and has no right being a Supreme Court Justice. This entire thing is a total travesty!

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  50. Yes, I hear cbs had said “The President is giving up getting the citizen question on the census ”

    BWA HA HA !

    They thought it was a loss for our VSGPDJT……

    BWA HA HA !

    God, I love my President……….

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