Jeffrey Epstein Indictment Unsealed In Manhattan Federal Court – (Full pdf and Press Conference)…

Federal prosecutors from the Southern District of New York released an indictment today (full pdf below) against billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein. The charges include sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors, and outline how he used his fortune to “create a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit.”

This case is being handled by the SDNY Public Corruption Unit. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Alex Rossmiller, Alison Moe, and *Maurene Comey are in charge of the prosecution, with assistance from the Office’s Human Trafficking Co-Coordinator, Abigail Kurland. [*Maurene Comey is the daughter of corrupt former FBI Director James Comey.]

Prosecutors also revealed at a news conference how the FBI found nude photos of girls in a weekend raid of Epstein’s Manhattan mansion. WATCH [Prompted Just Hit Play]:


Indictment below:

SDNY RELEASE – Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, William F. Sweeney Jr., the Assistant Director in Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), and James P. O’Neill, Commissioner of the New York City Police Department (“NYPD”), announced that JEFFREY EPSTEIN was arrested Saturday and charged with sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors.

The indictment unsealed today alleges that, between 2002 through 2005, EPSTEIN sexually exploited and abused dozens of underage girls by enticing them to engage in sex acts with him in exchange for money. Epstein allegedly worked with several employees and associates to ensure that he had a steady supply of minor victims to abuse, and paid several of those victims themselves to recruit other underage girls to engage in similar sex acts for money. He committed these offenses in locations including New York, New York, and Palm Beach, Florida. EPSTEIN is expected to be presented in Manhattan federal court this afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge Henry B. Pitman. The case is assigned to U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman.

U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman said: “As alleged, Jeffrey Epstein abused underage girls for years, operating a scheme in which girls he victimized would recruit others for Epstein to exploit and abuse. Epstein exploited girls who were vulnerable to abuse, enticed them with cash payments, and escalated his conduct to include sex acts, often occurring at his residence on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. While the charged conduct is from a number of years ago, the victims – then children and now young women – are no less entitled to their day in court. My Office is proud to stand up for these victims by bringing this indictment.”

From at least 2002 through at least 2005, JEFFREY EPSTEIN enticed and recruited, and caused to be enticed and recruited, dozens of minor girls to visit his mansion in New York, New York (the “New York Residence”), and his estate in Palm Beach, Florida (the “Palm Beach Residence”), to engage in sex acts with him, after which he would give the victims hundreds of dollars in cash. In order to maintain and increase his supply of victims, EPSTEIN also paid certain victims to recruit additional underage girls whom he could similarly abuse. In this way, EPSTEIN created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit, often on a daily basis, in locations including New York and Palm Beach.

EPSTEIN’s victims were as young as 14 at the time he abused them, and were, for various reasons, often particularly vulnerable to exploitation. Moreover, EPSTEIN knew that many of his victims were under 18, including because, in some instances, victims expressly told him they were underage.

In creating and maintaining this network of minor victims in multiple states to abuse and exploit sexually, EPSTEIN worked with others, including employees and associates who facilitated his conduct by, among other things, contacting victims and scheduling their sexual encounters with EPSTEIN at the New York Residence and at the Palm Beach Residence.

In both New York and Florida, EPSTEIN perpetuated this abuse in similar ways. Victims were initially recruited to provide “massages” to EPSTEIN, which became increasingly sexual in nature and would typically include one or more sex acts. EPSTEIN paid his victims hundreds of dollars in cash for each encounter.

In particular, during encounters at the New York Residence, victims would be taken to a room where they would perform a massage on EPSTEIN, during which EPSTEIN would frequently escalate the nature and scope of physical contact with his victims to include, among other things, sex acts such as groping and direct and indirect contact with the victims’ genitals. In connection with the encounters, EPSTEIN, or one of his employees or associates, typically paid each victim hundreds of dollars in cash. Once minor victims were recruited, EPSTEIN or his employees or associates would contact victims to schedule appointments for “massages.” As a result, many victims were abused by EPSTEIN on multiple subsequent occasions.

To further enable him to abuse underage girls, EPSTEIN asked and enticed certain of his victims to recruit additional minor girls to perform “massages” and similarly engage in sex acts with EPSTEIN. When a victim would recruit another underage girl for EPSTEIN, he paid both the victim-recruiter and the new victim hundreds of dollars in cash. Through these victim-recruiters, EPSTEIN maintained a steady supply of new victims to exploit, and gained access to dozens of additional underage girls to abuse.

JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 66, is charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors, which carries a maximum sentence of 40 years in prison, and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison. (read more)

Here’s the Indictment:

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360 Responses to Jeffrey Epstein Indictment Unsealed In Manhattan Federal Court – (Full pdf and Press Conference)…

  1. Bryan Alexander says:

    Some quick observations. Some of them might be contradictory, but this is what caught my attention:

    1. 2002 – 2005. That is WAAAY back. Why that time-frame? Now, insert the Trump quote about Epstein making the rounds this weekend. That was supposedly in 2002.

    2. Epstein (his lawyer) is already getting the word out about cooperating. This is nothing more than a warning to the Clintons and all the other power-brokers: Make this go away or I take you down.

    3. Pizza-gate anyone? Yeah, I know, a lot of people shot that down. Maybe…. or maybe not. Who knows? But there sure are a lot of powerful movers and shakers connected to Epstein…. and trips to his island.

    4. You will find out who the ACTUALLY powerful are, and who we THOUGHT was powerful. by who gets caught up in this.

    Liked by 7 people

    • Jenevive says:

      Maybe the Trump qoute is testing the water to see how
      people react. Remember thier latest E,Jean kinda crashed and
      burned and MSNBC was upset no one was talking about it.
      So maybe they want to see how people react before
      they “go there” with POTUS.. I dont; think they will they might
      inuendo it but to overtly accuse him wiht out proof won;t work.
      They know that much from this latest stunt.

      Maybe they are trying to get him to react to it…who knows
      but there is lot of risk to lots of people and POTUS wouldn’t just
      roll over on this they know that so…

      Liked by 1 person

    • Amy2 says:

      I’m going to sit back and enjoy (yes, I will live in denial) that the Clintons have no pull anywhere anymore and watch Bill sweat.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Adam says:

      I’m not sure how the Clintons are still powerful. At what point are they cut loose?


    • The reason for the 2002-2005 time frame in the indictment is because prosecutors now have the cooperation of new witnesses (including women who worked FOR Epstein grooming victims). Their testimony covers that time period. Because of discovery, they have seized more incriminating material in raids, and there might be more charges and an expanded time frame.

      Pizzagate is still complete baloney. There aren’t any victims who have come forward, nor any families saying their child or relative was harmed. There’s no location matching the so-called basement. No police force takes it seriously either. But I’m wasting my time to repeat this. Some people will believe anything, no matter the facts or evidence.

      Liked by 2 people

      • dilonsfo says:

        Not so sure about the cooperating employees. Normally, if the someone were cooperating they would be listed as an unindicted co-conspirator. I could be wrong but that is the way it worked during my years in law enforcement. And, I believe the 3 victims used in the indictment are the same ones who came forward in the Florida case, although I may be wrong on that count also.

        Completely agree with you on the pizzagate baloney.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Thank you for clarifying. I should absolutely have stated it was my theory. Logic alone indicates that in SOME way, prosecutors feel they have a more provable case. That normally means they have some avenue of evidence they didn’t have before.


      • dilonsfo says:

        Also, it is odd that Espstein in the only person listed in the indictment. No, unknown persons, or indicted co-conspirators or known but unindicted persons. The indictment is very specific to Espstein. Makes me think they did that so that rumors about others would be limited. Anyway, I liked you comment. Very common sense.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Larry says:

        You will see, in due time, that this is part of Pizzagate. And yes, Alefantis did have a basement in his pizza place.

        Liked by 2 people

        • I said “matching” regarding the basement. Didn’t match the descriptions in the various versions of the conspiracy theory.

          I predict you will not see (in due or other time) that no victims = no crime.


      • madeline says:

        If nothing else, no one will be talking about the deportations that will be ramping up this week.

        Liked by 1 person

    • IN/AL Gal says:

      “Knowing” someone in a business sense and “knowing” someone in a personal sense are 2 different things. Trump was a business man. He “knew” a lot of influential people.
      Remember that one of their collision “connections” was that he sold a piece of real estate to a Russian back in 2006.
      Meuller turned over every stone for 2 yrs. Nothing found. Let’s see how this plays out.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Robert Smith says:

      I don’t believe the full pizza-gate. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t very interesting information dug up by people during that crowd-sourced search.

      Liked by 1 person

  2. WVNed says:

    Perhaps Mr Epstein has a complete DNA catalog from his clients.


  3. Michael D says:

    For my sanity, please someone confirm the name Comey is just, as my niece used to say, a coincidinky.


  4. cheryl says:

    Remember how everybody laughed and called it a conspiracy when people said there was a network of pedophiles in DC?

    Liked by 7 people

  5. ilcon says:

    I checked Preet’s Twitter and not one thing about his buddy Epstein. This stands out.

    Preet was SDNY before being fired by Trump.

    Liked by 2 people

  6. Brant says:

    We are all concerned that none of this deep state coup stuff will be prosecuted and all will skate. But what if the route to get them is Epstein? Let’s face it, deep state coup stuff is deep reading as provided in many posts by our host. And white collar raps get nothing really. All with 2 brain cells can grasp the Epstein line and the Pelosi “faves”. And it is bumper sticker length.

    What’s worse, some white collar rap that the majority can’t even understand or being linked to Epstein? That is a mark you can’t ever erase.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Brant says:

      I think the Pelosi “our faves” and “republican or democrat” is code for it’s really only democrats and definitely not Trump.


    • jx says:

      These crimes are not capital crimes, waging war against the U.S. is. Make no mistake, using the tools of state – extraordinary powers – to overthrow the presidency is waging war.


    • TreeClimber says:

      My thought was statute of limitations on many things had already run out – but no statute of limitations on child sexual abuse/rape/etc. Maybe we’re having to take the long way ’round.

      Liked by 1 person

  7. Kleen says:

    My experience with observing the Propaganda Dept of the Deep State or MSM tells me, this is not a planned get Trump, in a six days to Sunday kinda of way.

    If it was, it would have been a circus show with clowns like Avenatti or Gloria Alred involved and all over the news with outrageous accusations about some rape train etc. they would be parading the professional clowns. The victims would be cashing in, and become a media darling telling the world all the details they can come with.

    I see a normal case, no chance this is planned by the Deep State.

    If anything the Deep State needs this to go away and dead. They had this case in their hands and sealed it to make it go away. It’s what they wanted because it’s what they did with it.

    If they could have used this against Trump, Muller would have used it day one. Muller knew all of the details of this case. He didn’t use it.

    It’s a nothingburger when it comes to damaging Trump. It is a sick case o child abuse involving a high profile Democrat donor.

    Liked by 6 people

    • stringplayer55 says:

      Yeah, that was my reaction regarding the claims that Trump might be involved. If there was the slightest evidence that Trump was involved in Epstein’s legal situation (to put it mildly), Mueller (Weissman) would have made the most of that. That there is nothing on this from Mueller is very favorable for Trump.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Robert Smith says:

      Mueller was a resounding thumbs-up to back up the entire 2016 election cycle and 2.5 years afterwards, to look at every aspect of Trump’s life. Trump is the most vetted person ever.


  8. Sharon says:

    I’d like to hear Maurene Comey’s honest explanation for her motivation to prosecute this jerk. (I don’t expect to. Would just like to.)

    I wonder if her daddy is wandering in the Redwoods today, muttering, “So many questions….”

    Liked by 1 person

    • ristvan says:

      She is junior on the team. Made no decisions. Those were made by PUC, approved by Berman who held the presser, and probably also approved by Barr.

      That she is Jim Comey’s daughter is irrelevant here, as have commented before.

      Liked by 1 person

      • I’ve started compiling the unwritten rules of comment thread behavior. It’s a fun exercise.

        #6 – Guilty Until Proven Innocent is a default position.
        All people sharing a last name or familial connection are automatically guilty of any misdeeds committed by anyone else in history related to that person, and anyone who has ever worked for another who did wrong can be considered to have done the same wrong without the necessity of evidence.

        (Others include “Facts don’t count unless I agree with them”, “All Opinions Have Equal Weight, there’s no such thing as expertise”, and “If I disagree with you, you’re either a troll, a liberal, an Eeyore, or it’s your fault I hardly ever read/comment here.”)

        I would welcome other suggestions, but we should discuss them on the Open Thread.

        Liked by 1 person

  9. beach lover says:

    Of course Shep has to lead with him flanked by Clinton and Pres. Trump alike. What a loser.

    Liked by 2 people

  10. Kleen says:

    Some journalist out there must dig into all of this sick perv’s donations to political candidates.

    It will prove he is a hard core Democrat associated with Democrats. ( maybe some Rinos, I hope so)

    End the rumor of his deep connections with Trump once and for all.


  11. jc says:

    I should be praying for forgiveness of my excessive cynicism. I don’t trust a single entity in this mess. Not the defendant, not the prosecution, not the judges, none of the lawyers, not the associated politicians, not the political parties, and damn sure not the media. Yeeeeeeeeeesh.

    At this point it would not surprise me at all to eventually discover that SDNY only acted to cover the asses of their own family, friends, associates, and blackmailers.

    I’m a little ashamed about my attitude. I hope that someone in this mess is not what I fear they are. I hope to apologize some day, but I fear I will never have a reason to do so.

    Liked by 8 people

  12. Jenevive says:

    Has anyone from Hollywood tweeted about this yet.. Or congress.
    hmmmmm…wonder why…awfully quite right now….

    Liked by 3 people

  13. mtg50 says:

    This indictment comes from the William Barr Justice Department. Epstein will be squeezed. Epstein will explode and the damage will hit many well-known figures. He has nothing on President Trump and, unlike Mueller, he will be given no incentive to compose. This is a positive step in the fight against the swamp.

    Liked by 2 people

  14. 6x47 says:

    Wait … what? Did the DOJ run out of ink for the “decline to prosecute” stamp?

    Liked by 1 person

  15. 4EDouglas says:

    This thing has legs. the SDNY division that is looking at this is more associated with Barr’s office in dc.
    Think this is going big..

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Old School says:

    This has been going on for a LONG time. Why now? The left is in trouble for 2020 and I believe they are desperate. Is this a diversion? Also – the deep state gatekeepers are in place. What does suspicious cat think?


  17. Joe Collins says:

    I wish to be on the jury.


  18. mikeyboo says:

    Jeffrey Epstein is not a naive man. I would be shocked if he failed to maintain all the evidence he needs regarding “prominent people”.They want to re-try the case? I suspect he will implement a scorched earth policy. Epstein may not live to see a trial given the fear he has stirred among these same people. However, I suspect he has arranged for a post-death release should anything “untoward” occur.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Phil aka Felipe says:

      “They want to re-try the case? I suspect he will implement a scorched earth policy.”

      He’s not married. No wife. No kids. No family. What’s he got to lose? He’s gained the world, but look what he has now.

      What does it matter to gain the whole world and lose your own soul?

      He made that trade long ago.

      Sad that so much of humanity is making the same trade.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Phil aka Felipe,
        “He’s not married. No wife. No kids. No family. What’s he got to lose? He’s gained the world”

        No wife .. No kids .. No family .. and yet your assessment is he gained the world? (scratching my head emoji)

        Liked by 2 people

        • 6x47 says:

          He lived the life of a depraved hedonist and rubbed shoulders with the globalist elite and celebrities.

          I’m sure he had a lot of fun, but like all who danced now it’s time to pay piper.


        • Phil aka Felipe says:

          “He gained the world” is through the eyes of people that are like him, his worldly ‘friends’.

          He did what worldly people do, focus on things of this world; money, power, influence, sex, drugs, and rock n roll.


    • YY4U says:

      Remember Jim MacDougal (sp)? He was a Clinton partner — in Whitewater if I remember correctly. He pleaded guilty of something or the other, went to jail, and in jail there were rumors that he was “cooperating”. For some reason (I don’t remember the details) he was put in solitary confinement whereupon he suffered a heart attack and died. His estranged wife, Susan MacDougal, also a partner in Whitewater, served her time and never said a word. I am not accusing anybody of anything, just recounting what happened to Jim MacDougal.

      Liked by 1 person

  19. Daniel says:

    This is going to get ugly. I’m sure Trump’s calendar will prove he was never at the times and places alleged. This one was done three years ago (25JUL2016)… what was happening about that time? Oh yes, a presidential campaign.

    I figure this is their last efforts… at least I hope it is. There are reasons this story never got any traction I’m sure.


  20. redline says:

    That the daughter of the leakiest FBI director in history is to participate every investigative procedure, and has the access to review and (without detection) supress, alter, add to, or create as needed, every scrap of evidence produced, seems a terribly perilous arrangement, if it isn’t managed being monitored by higher authority as some manner of canary trap.

    Knock wood.

    Liked by 2 people

  21. Kleen says:

    Let’s not forget child porn images were taken.
    Also victims did talk and named names.

    If more people are involved those victims will be able to name them.

    They don’t need his cooperation. They have plenty of evidence.

    He will cooperate with what? Naming a guy who abused a minor? That minor probably already named him.

    All they need now is bank records and things like that to put the puzzle together.

    If they have child porn images seized from his house that alone is a crime evidence. They will interview the victims. Probably already have.

    Did the underage girls get paid for sex? They will talk. They have nothing to lose.

    Liked by 1 person

  22. beach lover says:

    Well.. here it is. They will sacrifice Clinton and all others to get to Trump… This posted on Twitter. From 2016 charge… but it must have been sealed until now.

    FTA.. (very salacious)
    Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties.
    On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff
    to a bed,……

    This sounds like a lie to me. Surely they would have used this in 2016 if they could have. Unless they were afraid it would harm Hillary worse because of Bubba/


  23. k4jjj says:

    I have read the raid on Epstein’s mansion delivered photos and CD-ROM’s with labels, “A young ********* (girl’s name).” The raid also confirmed physical things, shared with the FBI by victims, present inside the mansion, only someone who had been in the house would know about.


  24. Julia Adams says:

    Look, if Trump was a target in the Epstein case, Maureen Comey would have a conflict of interest and would be required to recuse herself from the prosecution team.

    Now, if she even as much winks at her Dad about anything regarding the Epstein prosecution and/or discusses anything about this case with him, whether it involves Trump or not, she is toast.

    Liked by 2 people

  25. Why only Epstein’s New York, New York and Palm Beach, FL residences are named? A leopard doesn’t change his spots. He must be owning lot many homes in various locations / states. Why are these states not bringing any charges?


    • swissik says:

      Hollywood being in California surely Epstein has connections here, maybe homes too. However I wouldn’t expect the current governor to bring charges even if it were warranted. Toothsome Newsom doesn’t strike me as a righteous individual, but that is just me.


  26. ilcon says:

    Liked by 2 people

  27. All the Republican Congresscritters who “suddenly” decided to retire from politics in 2016? Lots of speculation at the time they were offered the opportunity to quit rather than face “something” upcoming. Just speculating too.

    Liked by 1 person

  28. ilcon says:


  29. ilcon says:


    • tozerbgood8315 says:

      That’s bogus. See for yourself and double check before you spread a lie. Wikipedia has not done as that Tweeter claimed.


      • mimbler says:

        Hmmm, I wouldn’t be able to tell if it were true or not. His Wiki page has had edits as recently as 2300 GWT today, so it may well have gone back and forth as partisans edit it for their purposes.


  30. Doppler says:

    I took a look at PACER, and it appears the indictment was filed under seal on July 2, 2019, and assigned to Judge Berman, unsealed today, post arrest on July 6. No explanation as to why the indictment only mentions the 2002 to 2005 time period, yet was only reached last week . Bail hearing will be next Monday.

    I don’t understand why it would not be double jeopardy as to crimes dealt with in the Florida non-prosecution agreement. Clearly it alleges crimes in Fl in 2002-05, so what’s different. This indictment also alleges crimes in NY during the same time period, and I don’t recall if the FL deal dealt with crimes other than those in FL.

    I also don’t understand why it deals with nothing after that. Did Jeffrey reform himself?

    I saw what I took to be a boastful tweet from Preet Bahrahrah, as if this was something he’d worked on and can take credit for. Why the years of delay?


  31. ilcon says:


  32. Mean Old Man says:

    I think everyone could be misjudging why Maurene Comey is on the case. I’m hearing a lot of people jumping to the negative conclusion that she is “doing” this; pinning it on Trump or whatever…
    But I think it’s highly possible she was placed on this team purposely to prevent the MSM from crying witch hunt when the dominoes start falling.


    • Newhere says:

      That is preposterous. You don’t have a fox guard the hen house if your goal is to keep them alive.


      • Mean Old Man says:

        its not preposterous… What the heck were arguing yesterday? Why was the muller team all liberal democrats? Why didn’t Mueller put a republican on the team? By your explanation, you don’t put a fox guarding the hen house? lol…

        You put a Jr. prosecutor on a 3-man prosecution team so prevent the defense team crying political prosecution.


        • Newhere says:

          No. You go by the book. I’m not saying she should recuse just because. Read my comment below — it’s a clear-cut conflict of interest given an immediate family member is implicated in a public corruption case. The way you defend against critics is by doing things by the book, and DOJ rules call for recusal.

          I actually believe that if/when this inches closer to her dad, she indeed will recuse.

          I’m not sure what the analogy here is to the Mueller team. It was stacked with tainted/ostensibly biased prosecutors who produced a BS report, and that’s relevant how?

          If I had a nickel for every time someone tried to spin blatant corruption as somehow prudent or good optics; well, those that rely on MSM, which is half or more of the country, aren’t getting it.

          How about we go with Occam’s razor. Bad and cowardly and corrupt decisions are just that. I hope it gets corrected.


  33. Newhere says:

    The need for Maureen Comey to recuse is screamingly obvious.

    This is a public corruption case. Maureen’s dad was U.S. attorney for SDNY and then Deputy AG during the relevant time periods (2002-2005). In other words, an immediate family member held top leadership/supervisory roles in public offices that are necessarily implicated, during the time periods in which the public corruption is alleged to have occured.

    The only more obvious recusal was for Rosenstein to step aside on the “obstruction” probe, having recommended the act Trump was being investigated for (i.e., firing Comey).

    Which I guess means we shouldn’t hold our breath.

    But seriously, could they be a little more subtle in the cover-ups?


    • Mean Old Man says:

      no way.. Maureen prevents the defense from claiming that its a political witch hunt. She is just a member of the prosecution team with 2 other prosecutors.


      • Newhere says:

        It’s true being surrounded by other prosecutors helps guard against mischief.

        But please can we drop this idea that a competent, professional DOJ should ignore conflicts of interest out of deference to bad-faith critics?

        Barr was hired to restore regular order. Run things by the book. Let’s hope he starts.


  34. ilcon says:


  35. The Akh says:

    Can someone point to direct evidence that Clinton was on Epstein’s jet 26 times and also dismissed his SS detail to do so. I’ve seen this information around for a good bit. But, now a Clinton spokes person has finally made a statement that contradicts this, or sets up another narrative. I don’t like rumor without proof.


  36. namberak says:

    “This case is being handled by the SDNY Public Corruption Unit.” Oh. I guess he’ll walk then. The whole organization is thoroughly corrupt.


  37. Phil says:

    Iphones were introduced in 2007. Two years after this indictment time frame. So I guess you have to rely on newspaper society sections to find any Epstein pictures with women and minors in the background.


  38. Nagothm says:

    How is it that the same lady who let Epstein off with a slap on the wrist last time (Comey) is also assigned to handle his prosecution again?


  39. GenJake says:

    Haven’t heard any rumors if Creepy Joe is on the list. Of all the miscreants in DC, Joe is the most likely to have partaken in the escapades with Mr Bill. Maybe that’s a shoe scheduled for dropping at the appropriate time…..


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