Pillsbury Notes Chinese Chief Negotiator Vice-Premier Liu He Stripped of Title…

Good China -vs- Bad China

Michael Pillsbury discusses the ongoing U.S-China trade negotiation and notes the internal dynamic within China as their primary negotiator Vice-Premier Liu He was stripped of his title: “Special Envoy of Chairman Xi Jinping”.

Vice-Premier Liu He, no longer “special envoy”

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160 Responses to Pillsbury Notes Chinese Chief Negotiator Vice-Premier Liu He Stripped of Title…

  1. 300 says:

    New book on the way,One Hung Low, by the ruptured Chinaman

    Liked by 3 people

  2. USA First! says:

    There’s gonna be big trouble in little China.

    Liked by 9 people

  3. 300 says:

    The new book out soon, One Hung Low, by the ruptured Chinaman

    Liked by 3 people

  4. Daniel says:

    Seems they just realized they are losing. What idiots in the USA gave them the advice which led to this? If China read CTH, they would have made a deal and stuck with it.

    Liked by 20 people

    • glissmeister says:

      Have they been listening to back channel Democrats? Sounds like they’ve been taking advice from Joe Biden’s son, John Kerry and Indoberry Kinesthesia.

      Maybe they’re beginning to realize how much money they’ve wasted putting big money in Democrat politicians pockets.

      Liked by 30 people

    • Dutchman says:

      They CAN’T! PDJT’s,ultimate goal is ZERO, thats -0- tariffs, except on defence sectors.
      China, run by CCP can NOT COMPETE in a zero trade barriers market.

      If they don’t CHEAT, they can not compete!

      From PDJT’s, the U.S. and even many other countries views, what PDJT is demanding of China is perfectly fair and reasonable.

      But, it spells the end of CCP rule in China, if they are to compete, they have to open markets, and open society to innovative thought.

      Or, accept being a third world country, their screwed either way. So, even reading CTH, and you can BET $ they do, can’t help them.

      And yes face saving. This way, when Xi meets POTUS at G20, he can blame miscommunication on liu, and try a softer approach towards same end.

      Softening enforcement mechanisms will be his goal “Honest, you can TRUST me, after all, I’m premier for life!

      Whereas you will be done in 6 years, and then we will have to deal with your replacement. THATS why we can’t have these enforcement mechanisms codified in the agreement.

      Besides, you may not even be their after 2020!”

      THATS what I would say, if I were Xi.
      Ain’t gonna WORK, but doesn’t mean he,won’t TRY it.

      Liked by 8 people

      • vikingmom says:

        “If they don’t CHEAT, they can not compete!”

        If only the vast majority of Americans understood that THIS is how our country has been taken from us, bit by bit over the past 30-40 years! Countries and companies have CHEATED (i.e. bribed members of Congress/White House to gain unfair access to our markets) and that is the ONLY reason they have been able to succeed.

        Now, we have someone in the White House, and a FEW members of Congress, who are trying to remove the unfair advantages that have cost our country billions of dollars and millions of jobs, and the cheaters are all going crazy!!

        If you get caught cheating in a casino (and you will always get caught, eventually) they ban you for life and circulate your picture so no one else will let you in…I think that needs to start happening, post haste in DC and around the world!!

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        • Alfred Barnes says:

          Exactly right, beginning with Reagan, although Carter was just a pause in the neocons on both sides of the aisle march towards imperialism and shipping US jobs overseas to exploit Chinese slave labor. GHWB was Ambassador to China and CIA Director. The Chinese made the Bushes one of the richest families in the world. In the meantime, real US wages have been stagnant since the 1970’s and the US worker has experienced reversion to the mean due to offshoring of jobs and importation of cheap manual labor and H1B’s. Oracle and Microsoft still want the cap on visa’s removed. More drones!

          The Chinese are correct to recognize Trump could be out in 2 years. There’s no such thing as a painless war, and I would hate to see Trump lose in 2020 because of a global recession. This war is winnable, but it will take the resolve of a divided American people.

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          • vikingmom says:

            Exactly! And it’s hard for the American people to have resolve when more than many of them have no clue what is happening and many more simply don’t care because they are on the dole anyway so they don’t care if there are good jobs available…

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    • paulmafinga says:

      Same idiots that forced Truman to issue Executive Order #9835, resulting in the removal of thousands of communists from federal employment, Academia, and Hollywood.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Carrie2 says:

        paul, would like to be taken to heart again because NEEDED! The DNC Party is the communist party and obviously desperate and attempting to fight as dirty as they can to take over or Republic, and definitely from any fed department, and that means in this swamp congress we have now, getting rid of socialist and communist teachers are there due to the DNC taking over our educational systems, so, yes,they need to be removed, and who gives a damn about hollywood as it is slowly killing itself and most movies are lousy C type and very few earning in any real money.


    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      I smell the Hag behind the giving the Chi Coms advice…..Vodka, urine, and old cabbage

      Liked by 13 people

    • Zero? Gropin Joe? Slick Willie? Cankles? Frankenstein? They are all “experts” on China.

      …at taking Chinese bribes.

      Liked by 6 people

    • Shakey Leaf says:

      Wasn’t Odumbass over there just recently?

      Liked by 2 people

  5. Sanj says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he went away for health reasons…..the China way, make the family pay for the bullet.

    Liked by 5 people

    • budklatsch says:

      Umm, much like the clinton way, no?

      Liked by 14 people

    • nimrodman says:

      When news first broke that China was reneging on previously agreed stipulations and had re-written them in their favor, I heard talking-head news commentary that one dynamic that was in play was that the lead China negotiator – this guy – was “too liberal”, too willing to see that US upset about intellectual property theft actually had valid underpinnings – making him “too liberal”

      … and when China hardliners got a look at what he had given away in negotiations, they blew their tops and said “Hell no” – hence the rewriting of the already negotiated agreement.

      So now I think we’re seeing the “other shoe” drop – the hardliners’ shoe on Mr. Liberal’s head

      Liked by 9 people

      • WSB says:

        Excellent, Nim!

        Oompah…and then whoosh! He’s gone.

        I relayed a second person story on CTH awhile ago. One of the partners of an architecture firm I worked for was a project manager of the Moscow Convention Center. He had two to three file drawers filled with local, really good vodkas, given to him by the local magistrate he would work with over six or seven years.

        Except everyone of those magistrates seemed to disappear and then be replaced by new magistrates.

        Hence, all of the different bottles…

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        • Sunshine says:

          Funny story. And I agree with NIMROD.
          When I heard PDJT mention casually today that companies will be leaving China, I was thinking about its shock value to the Chinese hardliners who, I – as well as many here – rightfully assume China is waiting for the 2020 election.

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      • davidb says:

        I feel sorry for the little shit. we should have offered him political asylum, we give it to a million illegals sucking up on the taxpayer teat. He would at least EARN a living here. Now he’ll have to live with only half his organs.


  6. Robert Smith says:

    Probably some coup elements assuring the Chinese that Trump is on borrowed time.

    Liked by 8 people

  7. Bogeyfree says:

    Sounds like an internal face saving move.

    Any bets if the NK de-nuke deal is now back on the table?

    Liked by 2 people

  8. Stillwater says:

    Sum ting alwei go wong.

    Liked by 5 people

  9. Skippy says:

    Please. Stop with the perjorative put downs of Chinese Chief Negotiator Vice-Premier Liu He . We as Americans are better than that! He worked with our USA partners in good faith. When I read this title I saw an ominious outcome for him. Be Best!

    Liked by 11 people

    • Carson Napier says:

      Is that you, Joe Biden ? Hunter Biden ? Or is it Mitt Romney ?

      Liked by 1 person

    • glissmeister says:

      Yes. Be Best!

      Better to point the derision at the beltway slime who have led our Chinese friends down the road to perdition. They have been getting ripped off in exchange for bad advice and now must face the cost of phony assurances made by the usual suspects, most of whom are Democrats.

      Sedition perdition attrition. Time to pay.

      Liked by 5 people

      • Skippy says:

        I don’t fully get you’re point, but I will tell you my husbands “intellectural property” was compromised over the last 20 years such that we won a IP lawsuit. The problem truly reared it’s head when our son went to a top university where such was further compromised.

        Regardless: I think President Trump’s “hitting this issue direct on” is much prefered to all of the last decades noise. I support our President.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      Titus 3:1-8 KJV
      Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

      [2] TO SPEAK EVIL OF NO MAN, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

      [3] For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. [4] But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; [6] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; [7] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. [8] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

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    • chojun says:

      I agree except on your point on good faith. The Chinese have not been negotiating on good faith. They were attempting to drag this out into 2020, but kept negotiations alive to stave off tariffs. Trump blew up their plans. Tariffs are disastrous for the Chinese economy.

      Liked by 9 people

      • Skippy says:

        I accept your hesitance of “good faith”. I admit I have limited knowledge of same x he showed up at the table and I understand the mutual negotiations were “close”. I suggest that infers some degree of “good faith”. Btw, chojun, thank you for your huge contribution here to the Conservite Tree House.

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    • We do not play PC with a racist, lying, cheating, forcing-your-citizens-to-spy country with no appreciation for the value of human life. Until those dynamics change, all bets are off and anything goes.

      Liked by 4 people

    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      Is that you Hillary? Always liked that shower curtain you wear…..wait….or

      Is that you Joe……or Turtle……no….hmmm…Jeb….just so many…

      How about a hint?

      Liked by 1 person

    • WSB says:

      Yes, he did, Skippy…and that is why the Chinese government is taking him out. He may be dead already.

      He seemed to be a very decent man. Something went wrong for him. And now, this is what the Chinese Government does to him.

      I cannot know the truth about his situation at the moment; however, we all need to pray for his soul. Wherever he is right now.

      Liked by 2 people

    • olderwiser21 says:

      OMG, Skippy – relax…..


    • Mark McQueen says:

      Most of that commentary is juvenile, at best.


  10. Drogers says:

    Curiouser and Curiouser.


  11. DJT2020 says:

    Let the bodies hit the floor!

    “These are killers folks.”

    Liked by 2 people

    • Dutchman says:

      They are killers, criminal gang, much like the Mafia, running a country.

      But they also are very theatrical; demoting Lui was a ‘fallback’ position if PDJT responded to their pullback the way he has. It is ALL theater.

      Liked by 4 people

  12. DJT2020 says:

    PJT hitting China hard with this tweet and deal. The ASEAN countries are going to move in and take China business.

    Liked by 1 person

    • DJT2020 says:

      Liked by 14 people

    • Carson Napier says:

      China play Musical Chairs. Now China have no chair. Must sit on floor.

      Liked by 5 people

    • Carrie2 says:

      DJT, and America can buy from many other countries, so no loss to us but will China be able to con other countries is a good question once they don’t want to buy from us.


  13. thedoc00 says:

    In totalitarian systems of Government like China Inc., this is usually the 1st step towards potential change in management. The CEO starts shooting the advisors. However, guess what happens when the CEO runs out of advisors to satisfy the Board of Directors of China Inc. (Communist Central Committee and Military)??

    Liked by 2 people

  14. Curt says:

    Interesting! It makes one wonder how Chairman Xi Jinping’s special envoy, Vice-Premier Liu He, and Xi could have been so far apart? I have to wonder what Xi’s long term strategy for settling this crisis is going to be. Just guessing, but I believe Trump may be correct in thinking that Xi will wait this out until 2020. A democrat, if elected, will be much more amenable to a settlement that favors China. However, that game plan has obvious risks for China if Trump gets re-elected. Xi, I believe has come to the conclusion that this president is not going to roll over like those before him. The one sided party is over. This is more serious than he thought. There will be pain felt on both sides before this is finished but I believe the US is in the stronger the two negotiating positions. Unfortunately President Trump has to deal with a recalcitrant democrat party while Xi can do whatever he wants. There is no doubt that this trading relationship can continue as it has. We’ll see…….

    Liked by 1 person

    • Scott says:

      Trump already told Xi that if there still is no deal when he gets re-elected, then the deal will be worse for him. If he waits, he runs a risk of a huge loss. If he jumps now, he will get a decent deal, but he will have egg on his face fir “caving.”

      Trump can give Xi a way out if Xi gives up NK. Trump will praise him

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    • Dutchman says:

      Its a CONMUNIST regime. There is no way Lui farted, without Xi’s permission.
      They were NOT ‘far apart’, at all.

      And, Xi can NOT ‘do whatever he wants’, as he DOES have a ‘board of directors’he is accountable to.

      This is for all the marbles, and I don’t see a way out for China, except capitulation. VSGDJT has a Chinese version of ‘win-win’.

      Sanctions stay on, U.S. wins.
      China agrees to terms, U.S. wins.

      Either way, China loses, but thats what they get for seeing everything as a zero sum game.

      Liked by 11 people

    • Toenail says:

      I agree with the post but would replace the word “recalcitrant” with “subversive”.

      Liked by 1 person

    • ALLAN CRAIN says:

      But, wait. Chris Wallace asked Larry Kudlow when PDJT is going to surrender and give China what they want.

      Liked by 1 person

  15. Not clear whether this improves or undermines potential for peaceful outcome.

    Liked by 2 people

    • nimrodman says:

      Undermines, I reckon

      This guy was as reasonable a negotiator as we can expect, I think
      Capable of making some concessions

      Now we get the hard line

      From my comment upthread:

      I heard talking-head news commentary that one dynamic that was in play was that the lead China negotiator – this guy – was “too liberal”, too willing to see that US upset about intellectual property theft actually had valid underpinnings – making him “too liberal”

      … and when China hardliners got a look at what he had given away in negotiations, they blew their tops and said “Hell no” – hence the rewriting of the already negotiated agreement.


    • Robert Smith says:

      Normally, it might open a door to a do-over, but the official Chinese news organs were quite adamant that China would never bow to the US on trade.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Dutchman says:

      Assuming you mean ‘peace’ with Norks?
      IMHO, they are like a chesspiece, over in a corner, blocked in by pawns. They are on the board, but out of play.

      The real conflict has always been with China, and VSGDJT has nutralised the ‘threat’of Norks.

      I THINK China is trying to call on second rogue regime proxie (Iran) amd PDJT also has them nutralised, as well.
      This really IS like Chess, and the game has already been played out, in DJT head.

      VSG is smiling all the time, cause he knows no matter what gambit his opponent tries, VSG and U.S. win.

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    • Steve Herman says:

      The Chinese middle class does not want a military war with the USA. The 1989 Tienanmen Square protest was the rise of the middle class. The protest took the lives of thousands (some est 10s of thousands) of China’s middle class. The protest made the case for economic power that the middle class was willing to die for. IOW, the Old Guard has the political power; the middle class has the economic power and proved they are willing to die for it. I’m confident that if the Old Guard goes to war militarily, the Old Guard will be fighting a two front war. One probably on the SCS, maybe Tiawan and a rear-guard action against their middle class. The Old Guard realizes this could tear the country apart with the real possibility/probability of taking down the Old Guard.

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      • Karen says:

        The people in China have no clue about Tienanmen square. It never happened in their minds. Their government erased it.

        Liked by 2 people

      • wondering999 says:

        No sane person wants a military war with anybody, if it can be avoided. Have heard too many war accounts from someone who survived WWII… neighbors’ bodies and houses blown to pieces, plumbing lines in ruins, no clean running water, babies die, people starve, looters and worse. When I saw the photos from Paradise, California, I thought of this war survivor and what she went through and told me about.

        I don’t wish this on anyone, not us, not them, and our President and his negotiators are our best bet to peacefully work out the problems that our earlier corrupt leadership foisted on everyone. Please God spare us all, American, Chinese, Mr. Liu He, and everyone else caught between

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    • dobbsfan says:

      If you respect Pillsbury’s expertise, he thinks China will come back and play nice soon and except President Trump’s deal.

      Liked by 1 person

      • 👆👍🏻

        Expect? Then there will be another Special Envoy sent to negotiate trade with his/her ancestors.



        How could Trump agree to any China Trade Deal until.
        • China has PROVEN they’ve stopped the Trade Violations and IP Theft and
        • The Administration has COMPLETED ENFORCEMENT of all open trade cases.

        Seems like both are required to make a deal worth spit.


  16. Henry chance says:

    This event says a lot. The Xi PingDing lost face which means somebody has to pay.
    The economy in China is in the doldrums and they are acting out in anger also blowing up churches and tossing religious in jail.

    Liked by 4 people

  17. covfefe999 says:

    Great interview by Elizabeth MacDonald. Love her, and Maria Bartiromo.

    Liked by 2 people

  18. duchess01 says:

    Looks like someone had to pay for failure to beat the USA – get the USA to go their way – the CCP does not take too kindly to failure – that picture of Liu waving is heart wrenching! Pray for him!

    I cannot believe they came here to renege on their original agreement and expect us re-negotiate something more conciliatory to their needs – that is so dishonorable – and we should ‘trust them’?

    They must think Trump and his Team are ignorant fools – and the whole world is unaware of their deception and arrogance – this will cost them more than lost revenue in terms of tariffs – no one will trust them to honor their commitments – or negotiate in good faith – shame on them!

    Liked by 6 people

    • Mark L. says:

      They have been taught by previous Presidents that they can easily get their own way.
      Not now.

      Liked by 7 people

      • duchess01 says:

        Appears that way, Mark! Personally, I do not think they expected anything more than what they had experienced in the past – and now – they think they can just scratch it all and renege on their commitments – pure arrogance – if you ask me!

        Liked by 1 person

    • Yy4u says:

      I agree Duchess. I think the Chinese bet the coup was going to work, so thought POTUS would be impeached and they would have VP Pence an establishment Republican to deal with which would mean a return to Bush, Clinton, Bush Obama status quo. The disaster of Paul Ryan taking a dive brought us here

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      • duchess01 says:

        If they were banking on that, Yy – they really do not know PT – they could wait it out until he leaves office after 8 years – however, by that time, their relationships worldwide will be ruined – imho – their One Belt One Road will be clogged and ineffective – they will be cutting their noses to spite their faces – free nations do not take orders from dictators, tyrants, and totalitarians.

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  19. emet says:

    I guess the Chinese are counting on Biden. Normally they write his name 拜登, pronounced bideng, however I would suggest the same pronunciation of bideng, but written 白等. Which means “waste of time”.

    Liked by 7 people

  20. Carson Napier says:

    Hunter Biden’s China Deal Partners Include Mobster Whitey Bulger’s Nephew, John Kerry’s Stepson.


    Liked by 2 people

  21. All knowing says:

    Listen everyone, China is not our friends. The chinese people are not our friends. We need to economically destroy them so they never even think twice about messing with us again

    25% tariffs are puny, they should ratchet them up to 500% tariffs, or have the tariffs to where it matches the same goods made in the US.

    Peoples in here naive enough to think the Chinese people like is, they despise us. Just as we should despise them, for they only know strength as the one and only truth, it is time to flex oh american economy and destroy them for multiple generations.

    Than once we have economically destroyed them, set the terms of any and all trade they do until such a time their behavior as well as the DPRK behavior has finally stopped

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  22. Thomas Holsinger says:

    They’re just keeping their options open, and no more than that.


  23. 13wasylyna says:

    Liu He No More


  24. ristvan says:

    IMO misinterpreted.

    Logic: Xi had/has a Politbureau rebellion problem on theChina trade ‘5 yard line’, where EVERYTHING his designated #2 did was previously agreed to—meaning by Xi.

    Xi must finess PDJT AND Politbureau ‘enemy’. Easy solution. Renege on previous ‘Xi’ tacit agreements, but do it unofficially thru a now no longer ‘official’ Liu He. That way, reneging on the reneg protects Xi no matter what the outcome is. Smart Xi play.

    The problem for Xi is that PDJT is not playing for best PDJT outcome. He said since decades is playing for best UD/Deplorables outcome. Asymmetric warfare. Xi loses.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      By making himself President for Life Xi broke the escalator of power put in place by Deng Xiaopeng that had kept relative peace amongst the leaders of the CCCP for the past several decades. Xi temporarily cowed his rivals with his selective corruption prosecutions, but if the continuing economic downturn starts hurting the bank accounts of the princelings too much, they might decide they’re better off without Xi, and things could very ugly very fast.

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  25. Mom4Trump2020 says:

    Ho Lee Chit

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  26. A2 says:

    Well, right on cue, otherwise known as another unintended incentive for foreign and US firms to exit China.

    The NDRC has taken over security reviews of foreign firms and investment in China since the new financial investment law was passed (wrote about this months ago as an indication China would not comply with US demands in the Trade negotiations)


    I also wrote that Liu He was ‘downgraded’ before he came to DC. Lots of rumours swirled over that, but I lean towards the explanation that this was to make clear to the US side that Liu did not have final approval and also gave Xi Mao2.0 an exit ramp. Just normal diplomatic tactics.

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  27. A2 says:

    Hot off the USTR bombshell list of roughly $300bn in proposed targets for a 25% tariff. Consultations welcomed.

    Click to access May_2019_Proposed_Modification.pdf

    Liked by 2 people

  28. A2 says:

    CCTV in primetime aired a segment on the Trade War and like the Propaganda press over the past few days, it’s China über Alles and has gone viral on WeChat and Weibo. Some excerpts:

    “China has already given its answer (to the US): if you want to talk, our door is wide open; if you want to fight, we’ll fight you to the end.”

    “China’s economy is a big sea, not a small pond. A wild storm can overturn a small pond, but it cannot overturn the sea. After countless storms, the big sea is still there.” (This is from Xi’s speech at the Import Expo last November)

    “After more than 5,000 years of ups and downs for the Chinese nation, what kind of battle formation haven’t we seen? … With resolute confidence, China will overcome difficulty and turn crisis into opportunity.”

    The President has time on his side, before he drops the new tariffs (as I posted above) and gives companies time to skedaddle.

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    • Some old guy says:

      Curious on how you see this playing out A2?

      Liked by 1 person

      • A2 says:

        Wish I had a crystal ball. Only can look at strategies, tactics and actions, though rhetoric is a part of that.

        I think it has become clear that China has lost all credibility amongst businesses and governments that have had a relationship there since Xi became chairman for life. It is a clear change in directions to a totalitarian, expansionist and increasingly dystopian (see the surveillance state and the incarceration of up to three million Uyghurs as a roll-out for the rest of China and also to B&R countries that allow them in).There were recent attacks on Christian house churches just the other day, nothing safe from the CCP/State.

        I think the China apologists are partly on the payroll and partly those who remember China from three decades ago. The hope, or wishful thinking that opening up economically after 1978, would lead to political liberalisation. Hasn’t happened and we are facing a throwback to a Mao-Marx-Leninist state.

        As for the US-China trade negotiations, the US is the only country that can pressure them to change, though help from our ‘friends’ will be there, sotto voce. That may change drastically as it not just a US issue.

        Time has been factored in by the administration. This will allow businesses to make other plans and implement them.

        The mantra under Xi has been security and stability. He may lose both.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Boastful talk = Complete BS.

      Translation: They’re up the perennial tributary without a means of locomotion.

      Liked by 3 people

  29. tav144 says:

    He fell on his sword.
    Sad 🐼 needs to save face. Must blame someone else so 🐼 can get back to square one.


  30. Texian says:

    It’s not Liu He’s fault.. He was fired just because he couldn’t convince or bribe President Trump.

    I don’t think anybody could talk President Trump into economically sacrificing his whole Country..

    But somebody has talked him into socially sacrificing his whole Country..

    Illegal Invaders are now flying the Friendly Skies of America.. For free.. Are there any Americans out there flying inside the continental U.S. for free..?

    If they are flying for free – it needs to be a trip back to their country of origin..

    Government is using Americans’ money against Americans.. To take away our jobs, to take away our way of life, to take away our very form of governance..

    I think this illegal problem is related to the Economy Mr. President..

    In case you haven’t noticed.. Our Republic form of Governance happens to be hanging in the balance right now.. And the scales are tipping..

    This illegal issue may not be of prime importance to you – but it is of prime importance to a heck of a lot of people that support you..

    Don’t take advantage of them..

    Politicians do things like that..

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    • Peoria Jones says:

      What a clever way to hijack Sundance’s topic, and return to your frequent topic for stirring dissent in the Treehouse.

      But your strange choice of words here are telling:

      “…to a heck of a lot of people that support you…Don’t take advantage of them.. ”

      (Not “us” – but “them.”)

      Your phrasing suggests that you are not one of those people who support PDJT. I wonder whether you ever did, as you couldn’t even say “those of us who supported you.” I must finally question your intentions when posting here.

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  31. TreeClimber says:

    He’s lucky if that’s all he’s stripped of.


  32. Tiffthis says:

    I’m sure President Xi “stripped” the vice premier of his title because China is winning and the US is gonna pay for those terrify PDJT enforced – just like the msm explained. /sarc 🇺🇸 I love this news- tho I don’t wish harm on the “ex” Vice premiere 💯


  33. boomerbeth says:

    Why Trump became President
    5-10-19 Oslo: Steve Bannon recaps election night 2016, the Deplorables & China’s Tariffs


  34. Pyrthroes says:

    All politics is economics, but not all economics is politics. Governments produce nothing, but critically stabilize anarchic domestic sectors while keeping barbarians at the gates of City/State. Alas for liberty, this constabulatory-military function tends inherently to despotism, devolving light-handed but necessary societal consensus to a reigning kakistocracy’s brute force.

    The genius of America’s indirect-democracy Federal Republic –guaranteeing competitive, entrepreneurial incentives via consent-of-the-governed under Rule of Law– lies in flexible procedures grounded on universal behavioral political-economic principles: Individual rights; means over ends; socio-cultural strictures opposing collectivist/Statists’ immemorial canons of divide-and-rule, or ruin; something-for-nothing; us-against-them. Those who assert that the American Experiment is based more on wishful Ideals than crassly practical Ideas are simply wrong.

    In context of Hsi’s “5,000 years”, this New World’s brief but entertaining run from 1620 – 1787, then 1788 – 2019, is lookin’ good, “If (we) can keep it.” “Better fifty years of Europe than a cycle of Cathay” (Tennyson, “Locksley Hall”, pub. 1842).


  35. massivedeplorable says:

    I don’t think this is a hard negotiation for VSGPDJT. Think about it: The Chicoms prospered only because our OneWorlders let them. Trump shuts off the subsidy spigot and they starve out. They have no domestic market because slaves to the state have no money. Broke is a hard position to negotiate from. It won’t be long before they capitulate and our Indices will make new highs- just in time for November 2020. My hunch is this is going to be a bumpy summer but My President will have a lead pipe cinch deal this fall.


  36. massivedeplorable says:

    I don’t think this is a hard negotiation for VSGPDJT. Think about it: The Chicoms prospered only because our OneWorlders let them. Trump shuts off the subsidy spigot and they starve out. They have no domestic market because slaves to the state have no money. Broke is a hard position to negotiate from. It won’t be long before they capitulate and our Indices will make new highs- just in time for November 2020. My hunch is this is going to be a bumpy summer but My President will have a lead pipe cinch deal this fall.


  37. lcpusa says:

    my biggest fear at this point is that china caves in too quickly and too easily.
    i want them to hold out and take an ass-kicking for the ages
    hold out long enough and use every bought and paid for politician in DC and in the press

    expose all their minions and THEN grind it into them for an extra 6 months.

    let no one be able to deny what happened to them. they got stomped by #GEOTUS

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  38. Obakeinu says:

    Hmmm…sounds like a ‘saving face’ maneuver by Xi, given that there’s a very good chance Lui will return empty-handed. The former title would have directly reflected back on Xi if Lui failed to secure any agreement worth noting.

    (ergo – “You’re on your buster.”)


  39. stormyweather says:

    Greetings to all you enjoyable, informative treepers! First time commenting and so happy I found this site. Besides the tough trade negotiations with China, let s not forget their crop failures, the huge losses of hogs and chickens and the nasty diseases they re dealing with! Wear a mask everyone! Add loss of jobs in the factories to all this and you have unemployed, hungry, angry millions.I doubt PDJT can lose on this one!!


  40. Elle says:

    Ho Lee Fook
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-14/china-mday-have-miscalculated-trump-s-weak-spot-jvn9r6mb hahaha…

    when Bloomberg has to acknowledge a Trump win….lol

    You can imagine the conversation in the torture room: Chairman Xi Jinping to Liu He, ” We have spent a GAZILLION dollars on spying, congressmen, Wall Street, ports in LA, etc., etc., ….and you are telling me that ALL we needed to do to make a MEGA-GAZILLION dollars was to sing a FAIR trade deal?!???!”

    ” I could have paid Joe the Plumber $250 rucks for that advice!! I could have lead theconservativetreehouse.com and got that advice for flee!


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