Notre Dame Central Cathedral is Lost….

A horrific historic and cultural loss. The 850 year old architectural masterpiece is a central monument to the Catholic faith. A spokesman said the entire wooden frame of the cathedral has come down, and the vault of the edifice could be threatened too. ‘Everything is burning, nothing will remain from the frame,’ Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot told French media.

The 12th-century cathedral is home to incalculable works of art and is one of the world’s most famous tourist attractions. Pictures showed enormous plumes of smoke billowing into the city’s skyline and flames engulfing large sections of the historic building as firefighters struggled to contain the inferno.

According to French newspaper Le Monde, the fire broke out in the attic of the monument before spreading across the roof. Officials in Paris said the fire could be linked to restoration works as the peak of the church is currently undergoing a 6 million-euro ($6.8 million) renovation project.

The cathedral is still ablaze during the night in Paris.  [More images here]

Advertisements
This entry was posted in Christian Values, Culture, Fire Crime, France, Religion, Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

829 Responses to Notre Dame Central Cathedral is Lost….

  1. pucecatt says:

    My 16 yr old is going to Paris in June , uggg

    Liked by 1 person

  2. Summer says:

    I mourn the loss of yet another monument of the Western civilization, an architectural masterpiece that inspired the countless generations of artists, writers and musicians.

    Liked by 7 people

    • keeler says:

      As of now it is looking like less than a total loss, but more of a dark chapter in the history of an iconic building. A dark chapter that, currently, mercifully, includes no deaths.

      Surely some priceless historic objects and material burned away today, but architects and historians have exhaustively studied and documented the world’s great monuments. This includes precise laser scan mapping:

      “As a result, the stunningly realistic panoramic photographs are amazingly accurate. At Notre Dame, he took scans from more than 50 locations in and around the cathedral—collecting more than one billion points of data.”

      “https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150622-andrew-tallon-notre-dame-cathedral-laser-scan-art-history-medieval-gothic/”

      Notre Dame could be razed to the ground, but enough data exists to reconstruct it down to the millimeter. The “age” is irreplaceable; there is no denying 21st century replacements do not carry the historical charm of eight and half centuries, but the material and the structure can be replaced. The spectacle and awe can be recreated.

      When the new rose windows filter the light of a Parisian afternoon, they will do so imbued with new meaning: one carrying a sense of what was lost today, certainly, but also carrying a sense of renewal and rebirth.

      That seems to be an appropriate message for one of the world’s great cathedrals to carry on its blackened shoulders during Holy Week.

      Liked by 17 people

      • olderwiser21 says:

        Really great comment, Keeler – thank you. It has been a discouraging day.

        Liked by 1 person

      • LULU says:

        The craftmen do not exist. They’ve talked about that several times this evening. Look at our National Cathedral. It is a clunker compared to Notre Dame. The original craftsmen trained their families to do the same work, and so on through generations during the 100s of years it took to complete the cathedral. Where would they have such talents, work ethics, and commitment now?

        Liked by 3 people

        • Violet Gray says:

          Actually there is a small army of art restorers in France. They are expert in ancient materials techniques. Sadly there are many, many ancient buildings that need repair. It is sad though that France has abandoned its Christian faith. Why build a church if no one comes.

          Liked by 1 person

        • keeler says:

          As I said below, much of the glass work, the spire, and the sculptures around the spire date to the 19th century. Some of the glass work dates to the 1960s. The organ dates to the 19th century and the underwent significant changes during the 1990s. By the early 19th century much of the interior was in poor condition and was subject to major renovation.

          I am a lover of history and in particular historic buildings, and while the significant damage to Notre Dame today saddens me I also recognize the building was not destroyed. We’ll don’t even know what the extent of the damage was.Furthermore, like most great buildings and monuments, the Notre Dame the sun rose over on April 15, 2019 was not frozen in time. It was the product of centuries of wear, tear, and repair. It was subject to the indifference of the weather and the injustices, yet also reverence and care, of man. It has changed before, and was bound to change again. Evolution is the price of endurance.

          For those reasons, rather than despair at what might have been lost and what may be irreplaceable, I choose to look forward to what is possible. I choose to see the opportunity for today’s artisans, architects, and engineers to challenge themselves to raise their efforts to the high standards set not just by their medieval counterparts nearly a millennium ago, but by those who found themselves facing similar challenges over the last 800 or so years. I choose to see today’s fire not as end to the story of Notre Dame, which it might very well might have become, but as the opening sentence to its next chapter.

          It will not be the same Notre Dame, but then again it never was. Perhaps it will not be a better more beautiful Notre Dame. But the building, the purposes it serves, and the things it represents, will endure- at least for a little longer. That is all that we can ask, which is fortunate because that is all that matters.

          Liked by 7 people

        • geoffcsaltine says:

          LULU. We are still here.

          Liked by 1 person

        • Raghn Crow says:

          “The singing masons building roofs of gold,. The civil citizens kneading up the honey,. The poor mechanic porters crowding in.” (Henry V, Act 1, Scene 2)

          As far as I understand it, if you had the money to recreate an SSJ Duesenberg boat-tailed speedster, or a Phaeton, whatever, it would be simply cost prohibitive to recreate the famous straight-eight engine and drive train, but absolutely impossible to recreate the car bodies, as the craftsmen who made them direct descendants of the buggy makers. They had arts and methods we’ve lost the skill to reproduce. You’d end up with a simulacrum, not the real thing.

          And also a medieval cathedral was both a work of piety and civic pride. In the “Multi-Kulti” West of today, how do you recreate that?

          Like

          • LeastInterestingManInTheWorld says:

            Bodies are still hammered today on wooden forms, but it’s done for love. Ron Covell immediately comes to mind.

            Like

        • Esperanza says:

          Actually they do exist, maybe not in large numbers. In fact call across the world, if you wish to be a Companion as they are called, now is the time. Come and raise Notre Dame.

          Like

        • Between Three Centuries says:

          They were called the operative Masons. The predecessors of the speculative Masons that build buildings like the Shriners hospitals for children,

          Like

        • massivedeplorable says:

          The artisan craftsmen do indeed exist today. They are few in number and exceedingly expensive but they are every bit as capable as the old masters plus they have computers and 3D printers! Fear not. It will be rebuilt and it will be perfect.

          Like

      • Esperanza says:

        Unfortunately one thing is lost “The Forest” . The roof was built with the last of the primordial forest , which no longer exists, no trees in France left big enough.

        Like

      • dawg says:

        I do not believe it should be rebuilt. It should be preserved as a reminder of the threats facing Western civilization.

        It actually reminds me of 9/11, and the passages in the Bible, Isaiah I think, about our pride to rebuild “stronger than before”.

        The stone, the sycamore tree, etc, etc….

        The book “The Harbinger” and the accompanying Bible verses were really enlightening.

        Like

    • WVPatriot says:

      Not to mention Christians!

      Liked by 1 person

  3. Ned Zeppelin says:

    Sad but perhaps a reminder that all things are finite, save One.

    Liked by 4 people

  4. BocephusRex says:

    Just released photo showing interior, from a Frenchman named Axel Renaud: ” Only a small part of the vault collapsed. Interior seems relatively untouched. Alleluia!

    Liked by 14 people

  5. BocephusRex says:

    Just released photo showing interior, from a Frenchman named Axel Renaud: ” Only a small part of the vault collapsed. Interior seems relatively untouched. Alleluia!

    Liked by 9 people

  6. NJF says:

    This pic is amazing.

    Liked by 7 people

    • spoogels says:

      Liked by 6 people

      • spoogels says:

        Liked by 6 people

        • Truthfilter says:

          I saw this in real time and muted Shep’s condescending tone and overly dramatic descriptions. “Not on my watch…..conspiracy theorists are counter productive…to the planet…”

          No Shep-YOU are counterproductive to the planet. That’s a biological fact which need not be discussed in this forum.

          Liked by 8 people

          • Eileen Kuch says:

            I wholeheartedly agree with you, Truthfilter. Shep Smith’s rudeness to his guest, a French official has NO place in such matters as the fire at the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris. He ought to be fired. Who on Earth does he think he is? His guest was a French official, for Heaven’s sake! If he can’t prevent himself from insulting his guests, he doesn’t belong on Fox News.

            Liked by 6 people

            • warrprin1 says:

              Shepherd Smith is a tone deaf, pompous a$$, holier than thou blowhard.

              How’d I do? Is that descriptive enough of the FoxNews self-inflated con artist? There’s a double entendre lurking here for French speakers. I’m being a little linguistically naughty tonight – so relieved that Notre Dame de Paris is still standing, the fire is out, and the steam must be vented from this pressure cooker.

              “Shep” pronounced the French Official’s first and last names – in Spanish. ¡Ay caramba!

              Liked by 3 people

            • 1stgoblyn says:

              Why was Philippe Karsenty on his show if Shep didn’t want to hear what he had to say. I actually had to turn the tv off b/c Shep Smith was so condescending. (Not on my watch, indeed. As if he was some high ranking law enforcement official. Twatwaffle!

              Like

            • Lindenlee says:

              He has the imperious tone of a top-tier buttboinker who thinks he is above reproach, he who will not tolerate dissent. And he really is jus so mediocre.

              Like

            • Unknownsailor says:

              Because Shep seems to draw coverage duties for major world events like this I refuse to watch Fox until that idiot is replaced.

              Liked by 1 person

          • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

            Guilty conscience is haunting.

            Like

          • Esperanza says:

            He couldn’t even get his name right. He’s not Spanish. Why we can’t say that there have been fires and the organ trashed at St Denis? All in March.

            Like

        • Doug says:

          Yeah Shep…ALL the fires each week are a mystery
          “Some people did something “

          Liked by 2 people

      • LULU says:

        Shep Smith is an ass. Those who watch/listen to him do so at their own peril.

        Like

    • Boknows says:

      And the Cross of Salvation shines like a beacon in the ashes.

      Liked by 7 people

  7. It was an accident right? A coincidence.

    Liked by 6 people

  8. Texian says:

    So Macron and the globalists are willing to burn down Notre Dame in a propaganda burn to try and keep him in power.. And destroying a Christian icon at the same time.. During Easter week.. How convenient.. The propaganda in the fake news media is so fake you can see right through it..

    Liked by 8 people

    • FPCHmom says:

      I thought that Macron would get the opportunity to rehabilitate his public image with his response to this fire. I did not watch his statement, but from what I read, it did not appear to be that great.

      I hadn’t considered that the fire itself was deliberate in order to unify the French, and I’m not sure what to think of the possibility.

      A thought-provoking comment for sure.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Judith says:

        Sounded like a fundraiser. Globalists require money and Macron wasted no time passing the hat, like it was a bake sale. Before the embers had cooled.

        Just like 9/11 brought the PATRIOT act. Rah Rah. They are masters at manipulation.

        I see right through them and am impervious to their propaganda. That is my gift. Or my curse. It definitely cuts both ways.

        All I can tell you is this: I was not put on this earth to sit in a corner and cuddle teddy bears.

        I’m with Archangel Michael ..all the way.

        Like

    • cali says:

      @Texian: Yep – False Flag!

      Macron tries to shore up support as his power has tanked. The Yellow Vests are successful although you wouldn’t know it looking for accurate news in the propaganda mockingbirds aka Fake News!

      As this fire was raging a man seen on the video dressed in muslim garb, long beard and cap walking leisurely on the second floor while firefighters are below.

      Joseph Watson has countless Facebook snapshots of muslims posting ‘smiley faces’ I suppose Ilhan Omar could explain to us or whether that is what she meant when she said “somebody did something?”?

      Every time one of our US coupl plotters show up in any of the 5Eyes – you know the one who are implicated in the coup of our president – tragedy follows.

      Podesta in NZ – two days later false flag shooting.

      Pelosi, Hussein visit with Merkel, French politians – they burn down the church.

      I do want to express that this architectural old building long lost its meaning as it is standing empty .

      As a reminder: Our Creator taught us via His Son Jesus Christ what it means to have Faith and walk in His Way.

      The temple of faith is within each one of us that is indestructible while stone bldgs. fall just as the dark forces built them.

      Satan created religion while having lured his victims into sprawling gold displays to detract and destroy.

      There is but one church: Jesus Christ who is the cornerstone!

      Like

  9. sundance says:

    Liked by 18 people

    • uvaldegirl says:

      I hope this brings about a spiritual renewal in historicity Catholic France.

      Liked by 8 people

    • Attorney at Law says:

      Profound.

      Maybe one day others will reside in a world that knows no hate.

      Wishful thinking, yet one must have hope.

      Liked by 2 people

      • A world without hate?

        A world without humans?

        And isn’t it good to hate evil?

        And the big questions:
        HOW are you going to get to your world without hate??
        and
        HOW are you going to keep it hatefree?
        and
        WHO decides what is hate ?
        and
        WHO decides when the hatefree world is reached?
        and
        What do you do to someone who develops a hate of your hatefree world?
        and
        WHO decides what to do to that someone?

        Like

    • The Demon Slick says:

      Sundance! Initial reports from interviews with eye witnesses said it took over 2 hours for the first fire trucks to arrive. It was during this time President Trump is tweeting to use airdrop, nobody was doing anything. Later news reports said that firefighters were on the scene “immediately but without resources” and that fire trucks arrived after “30 or 40 minutes”. Now all news has been scrubbed of any mention of the response time or the fire trucks. I believe that the Paris government is incompetent and they utterly failed to respond to the emergency in a timely manner. I also see the cover up developing rapidly.

      Liked by 4 people

      • olderwiser21 says:

        Demon – from what I read and saw, firefighters knew they could not get to the top of the building with their equipment. The only way to fight the fire was to climb part way up individually and fight the fire from there. Disaster waiting to happen. People in France were complaining loudly that nothing was being done for the first two hours, as you say. Also, reports from CBC said that the roads surrounding the cathedral were very narrow and passage for firetrucks, etc., was extremely difficult. Again – I am surprised they didn’t see this coming. If it was arson, we will NEVER hear of it – especially if muslims were involved. NEVER.

        Liked by 3 people

    • Grassleysgirl/Breitbartista says:

      The “passion of the Christ ” is eternal.

      Like

  10. Ausonius says:

    Pamela Geller marvels at the “coincidental” timing of this fire: Holy Week, a Jihadist woman who tried to bomb Notre-Dame was sentenced to prison, church vandalism/ fires have become an epidemic in France recently:

    https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-intentionally-set.html/

    and

    https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-terror-plot-sentencing.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

    Liked by 12 people

  11. Lance says:

    Notre Dame, before this catastrophe. Interactive 360 Panorama. See what has been lost.
    https://www.360cities.net/image/france-paris-notre-dame-cathedral

    Liked by 2 people

  12. mpmp2015 says:

    Hopefully this is not the case of some people did something…

    Liked by 4 people

  13. Lucille says:

    Heartfelt commentary by Dr. Steve Turley…

    Notre Dame Cathedral on Fire: Here’s What We May Have Lost!

    Liked by 1 person

    • olderwiser21 says:

      Steve is way more upset than Macron. He came across as less than devastated, for sure. Very cold in his response, if you ask me.

      Like

  14. sunnydaze says:

    Some tweets here reporting from people in charge of rennovations:

    Liked by 2 people

  15. AnotherView says:

    Bottom line–we all know who did it: the muslims. They’re celebrating. I’d like to see all the mosques bulldozed.

    Liked by 2 people

  16. TMonroe says:

    For context, I’m sure if one of the iconic landmarks associated with the peaceful,religion was gutted after centuries that the media and officials would have defaulted to long academic discussions about workplace oopsies — especially if scores of mosques had been attacked in the region just days before, and someone had been convicted three days before the oopsie of targeting the iconic landmark, no?

    Liked by 6 people

  17. Patricia Dolan says:

    I grew up in Paris and went to Notre Dame for Sunday masses. I take this very seriously. I listened to Macron. He looked guilty as sin at what he has done, somewhat like W after 9/11. He thinks that rebuilding the church together is going to unify France? Is he f**king kidding me??? The french people know what he has done. He will not get away with this. The french will have his head…….

    Liked by 1 person

  18. Walt says:

    I wonder if it CAN be rebuilt Just to start with you’re looking at billions of dollars in cost. Then there’s the skills involved — how many skilled stonemasons do you know? — and the horrific laws governing employment of workers.

    We’ll know much when we see how France and the Church respond to this tragedy.

    Liked by 2 people

    • olderwiser21 says:

      Walt – a historian I watched said that the type of work/craftsmen needed to replace the panes in the rose windows no longer exists. I was watching a YouTube report called “France 24” where they talked about the cathedral, its construction and history, etc. Very interesting.

      Like

      • keeler says:

        Probably correct in some respects. Glassworks is somewhat of a lost art. It’s been a long time since I’ve had to deal with the topic, but if I remember correctly the “artisan” level of European glassmaking was limited to a very few areas in France and Germany, and even then specific regions/areas specialized in different types of glassmaking based on local materials.

        However, I would be extremely surprised if a modern facsimile could not be reproduced. As long as samples of the glass exist, they can be micro analyzed to determined the precise region where the various materials came from. A similar process is used to determine the exact quarries Greco-Roman stonework was mined from.

        They might not be reproduced in the same way, or even from the same materials, but I bet we’re able to get the same result

        Liked by 2 people

      • keeler says:

        After doing a little more research, some of the window glass is not that old; some glass is younger than some Treepers):

        -The West Rose window was replaced in the 19th century
        -The North and South Rose windows date the mid-12th to mid-13th centuries. However, the South Rose window was completely rebuilt and contains medieval and 19th century glass.
        -Windows above and below the South Rose date to the 19th century.
        -19th century glass in the nave windows was replaced during the 1960s.

        Liked by 1 person

    • keeler says:

      Catastrophic damage appears limited to the wood framing in the roof area.

      There was some concern the iconic western facade towers experienced significant damage. However, it appears firefighting efforts concentrated on saving this area and that these efforts were successful.

      As long as the main structure was not significantly destabilized by the collapse of the roof, the damage should be limited to the roof and the upper walls and windows. The stone vault below the roof contained the vast majority of the fire and the subsequent collapse of the roof’s wooden-lead framing.

      I expect the most significant loss may be some of the cathedral’s iconic rose windows. The spire, whose collapse was dramatic, was not particularly important by historical standards, as it is a 19th century replacement. Most of the artifacts and artwork within the cathedral appear to have already been in storage or were rescued during the fire event.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Esperanza says:

        As I was saying yesterday, many monuments were “restored” in the 19 th century by Viollet le Duc. And many people think ruined by him. His spire nearly killed Notre Dame.

        Like

    • Timmy-the-Ute says:

      Sadly, the Church can’t rebuild such a structure. It just doesn’t have that kind of capital. Because of sex scandals there is talk of the church being put under receivership. Even under the best of times such an endeavor would take at least 10 years. And to turn it over to the Government would hand things over to secular forces.

      Liked by 1 person

  19. sundance says:

    Liked by 1 person

  20. Carson Napier says:

    Liked by 1 person

    • TMonroe says:

      Once again, can you see Time and others reporters self-censoring so assiduously on stories regarding the president or alleged hate crimes a la Smollett, Trayvon, etc?

      Liked by 1 person

  21. A truly gut-wrenching event. Just very emotional.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Kay Emig says:

      Yes it is, and somehow since the Trayvon days, it feels necessary to spend some time here in the Treehouse with you commenters and lurkers when something ugly like this this happens – as part of dealing with it.

      Like

  22. rayvandune says:

    I was taught in university that the flying buttresses functioned to prevent the heavy vaulted roof from pushing the high stone walls outward. That raises the question of what will happen with the roof having been consumed by fire. Yes, I see pictures that seem to show the inner vault somewhat intact, but the exterior roof is clearly gone, and I believe that it is the primary structural member and much heavier. Will those great walls now be in danger of collapsing inward from the weight of the buttresses?

    Liked by 3 people

    • tuskyou says:

      I was reading something about the potential water damage to the stone–spraying cold water on hot stone. Also there could be pockets of fire not completely put out. My uncle was a fire fighter and he always had stories about fires he thought were out but weren’t.

      Like

    • boogywstew says:

      You’d think engineers would be all over that immediately and put temporary steel beams in place?

      Liked by 1 person

      • keeler says:

        Will probably be coming down the road soon.

        The spire alone was 750 tons before the fire, and I imagine it and the roofing framework did some structural damage to the masonry work beyond the large hole we can see.

        As soon as the fire is completely out I imagine structural engineers will be assessing the damage and how to support the building.

        Liked by 2 people

    • Maquis says:

      Hard to say. The buttresses also resist the outward forces of the stone vault, which while damaged largely remains, so some of the internal forces being balanced remain. While the timber and lead roof’s weight was not inconsiderable, the stone vault is anything but light. Also, the roof probably had direct wooden cross-members that limited spreading forces, but no such structures exist for the vault.

      It appears those gorgeous flying buttresses meet the exterior walls very near if not at the line where the vaults meet the wall on the inside, so they seem to be intended primarily to balance each other.

      Stabilizing the vault and internal buttressing of the walls is likely to be the most delicate and risk filled aspects of restoration. They can’t afford to wait long either, as weather effects would devastate the vault, which was not constructed to support snow, drain rain, or resist freeze-thaw cycles.

      I would say it can be saved at this point, but speed, competence and determination are key. If typical patterns of posturing and politcking are followed, then it’s sure to be a slow motion catastrophe.

      Liked by 1 person

    • covfefe999 says:

      I don’t remember if Notre Dame has them, but some cathedrals have had metal rods installed to assist with keeping the exterior walls upright. I think they’re called “tie rods”.

      Like

      • Maquis says:

        I don’t think Notre Dame ever went through a restoration sufficiently extensive for such work to have been performed, or whether it will be deemed necessary here, but, indeed, many techniques have been employed to save edifices that aren’t standing up well to the test of time. Notre Dame appears to have been remarkably sturdy and stable.

        I’m quite intrigued by the prospects for modernizing the roof structure and fortifying those portions deemed in need, it will be fascinating.

        Like

    • tonyE says:

      I think the stone vaults are likely heavier than the protecting wooden roof, Huh?

      The flying buttresses should hold the walls up so long as the vaults stand, IMHO.

      Going forward, I would expect that the wooden roof will be replaced with a modern steel and aluminum structure. I wonder if they can reinforce the current stone walls and flying buttresses with metal block ties?

      The vault roof itself might be helped by having it partially “hang” from steel beams above with cables and screws. The important thing is that nothing should be visible from the “public” spaces.

      And the glass should be well documented, so replicas -likely stronger and better insulated- ought to be reasonable to make.

      Thank God the place survived. Wooden roofs have limited lifetimes in medieval and roman buildings. Only the stone survives.

      Like

  23. tuskyou says:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117837859514408960.html

    Long thread but at the end it says police will interview all construction employees and past employees

    Like

  24. spoogels says:

    Starting in America too
    Vandals broke windows, spray painted ‘submit to God thru Islam’ on SC church, cops say

    https://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article229265204.html

    Liked by 2 people

    • Caius Lowell says:

      0bama’s invaders…

      Like

    • boogywstew says:

      Wouldn’t a Muslim have written “Allah” and not “God”?

      Liked by 1 person

      • boogywstew says:

        I call BS on this supposed Muslim crime. A dumb prankster would write “God”. A smarter prankster would write “Allah”. If a Muslim truly wrote this than it would be “Allah”. The true Muslim would want us non believers to know a Muslim wrote this.

        Like

    • margarite1 says:

      This is what we get for importing these low IQ demons into our country in the name of Obama’s and the rat’s “diversity”. SPIT!!!

      These people will never abide anyone or anything not approved by their ancient heinous “prophet”…the warmonger and child molester.

      The minions of Mohammed are obviously unable to discern decency from murder – they think in different terms and we’ll either be conquered or fight them to the death.

      Like

  25. WVPatriot says:

    The security lights at our local mosque are brightly lit tonight. Unusual. I wonder why?

    Like

  26. todayistheday99 says:

    This is what happens when you take in the snake. All of the EU is toast, they just don’t know it yet. It’s similar to a cancer that has metastasized.

    Liked by 4 people

  27. Forgive me if this was already posted. You can contribute to rebuilding here: https://don.fondation-patrimoine.org/SauvonsNotreDame/~mon-don

    Liked by 1 person

    • boogywstew says:

      Seems like a

      Like

      • boogywstew says:

        guarantee that the destroyed church will be rebuilt as a Roman Catholic Cathedral should be in writing before a cent is donated. I’m imagining a globalist “church” being erected with stained glass windows honoring Barack Obama, Tony Blair, Merkel, May, Soros and other heroes of socialism. A stained glass window of Jesus Christ would honor him as an early socialist alongside Buddha and Confucius

        Liked by 1 person

        • czarowniczy says:

          Let’s see if bucks-down Bezos, richest man in the world and purported richest man in history, contributes. With a worth of over $150-billion he could rebuild Notre Dame with what he could dig out of his couch cushions.

          Liked by 1 person

        • Judith says:

          The last thing I would do is give Macron money. Every cash-strapped Globalist in the EU will start torching monuments to make a quick buck, since Trump cut off their gravy train.

          Liked by 1 person

  28. Macron’s promise to rebuild is such a slap in the face to those who believe the work that went into the construction of Notre Dame was divinely inspired. At the very least, each and every man that worked on her was there to lift up a gift to God Almighty.
    Secular France will never rebuild Notre Dame.
    I’ve seen too many Christian archaeological and architectural marvels destroyed during my lifetime.
    Really sad and couldn’t post this anywhere but on CTH.

    Liked by 2 people

  29. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3866/Notre-Dame-What-Happened.aspx

    Even as fires raged and consumed Notre Dame uncontrollably before the crying eyes of the world, the narrative was being carefully constructed in its newsrooms. Had to be an accident, most likely. Just one of those things, probably. Renovation work was going on, dontcha know. There must have been a spark in the attic and, whoosh, Notre Dame was aflame.

    Liked by 1 person

  30. I think everyone needs to see this footage..
    you CANNOT un-see it..

    Liked by 2 people

  31. Mandy says:

    I do not believe France will rebuild Notre Dame because….when Muslims rule, Christians are DENIED the right to build new churches OR EVEN TO REPAIR OLD ONES.

    The Muslims in France will assert their power now, and block even restoration of Notre Dame.

    Liked by 2 people

  32. duchess01 says:

    Before the fire…

    City Walks: Paris, France – Notre Dame Cathedral Inside and Around
    – virtual treadmill walk

    Like

  33. R.A. Carrera says:

    It is heavily damaged, but Christians have had churches obliterated (we see this in places like Palmyra and Ma’aloula in recent years, and during the Soviet blight), and they get rebuilt. Let this be a warning to the Christian man and woman to cherish their faith, and guard their places of worship.

    Liked by 5 people

  34. distracted2 says:

    This was just reported this morning, a few hours before Notre Dame caught fire Coincidence?

    Liked by 1 person

  35. czarowniczy says:

    The French are the French, news is talking about how not only the early architectural plans for early Paris as well as the Notre Dame blueprints are in the basement of Notre Dame. What better place to put them but in the basement building that, were it to burn down, they’d need them to rebuild. Much like how French-based New Orleans stored its property records, deeds and vital records going back to the 1700s in the basement of a courthouse whose first floor is below sea level.
    Notre Dame burns and has millions of gallons of water dumped on it – the property records that are needed to prove a record of property ownership were flooded and steeped in millions of gallons of flood water. Vive la France. I’m just hoping that institutions outside of the cathedral have made and safely stored copies.

    Liked by 1 person

    • keeler says:

      The entire building was laser-scan mapped about five years ago. I guarantee that not only do copies of the blueprints exist elsewhere, but the laser-scans are more accurate than any blueprint since laser mapping captures the “bowels” of the a structure: places no long accessible due to centuries of renovation, undocumented modifications from the original building plan, etc.

      Liked by 2 people

      • czarowniczy says:

        I was really sure that many people had ‘mapped’ it, it was just too valuable an architectural item not to be, so many other cathedrals in Europe having already being done.
        The all-too-raw comparison with NOLA storing its records in the basement of the city hall, well below sea level and in an unsealed environment was just too much for those of us who watched it here.

        Liked by 1 person

        • keeler says:

          It happens more often than we think.

          Much of the artifact collection recovered from the Jamestown Fort was stored in a basement and subsequently damaged by flooding from Hurricane Isabel. Most of the associated field notes were heavily damaged, a significant problem because when such information is lost it can never be recovered, resulting in the artifacts losing their historical context to one another. It’s the equivalent of cutting up War and Peace into individual letters and dumping them all in a big box. The letters remain but the story is gone forever. I believe the same thing happened to the artifacts, and remains, recovered from the African American Burial Ground in New York City some years later.

          I guess these practices comes down the mentality a float plane pilot once shared with me when I said I didn’t want my laptop stored in the plane’s pontoon’s float: “If there’s water in there, we have a bigger problem.”

          Liked by 1 person

  36. Andy says:

    I want to understand how construction related activities triggered a conflagration of this magnitude. Where did it start? Why did it start? Who dropped the ball? Why were there no preventative measures in place? Or, is Macron’s government hiding something? If this indeed was caused by an a disenfranchised Parisian resident it would divide the country. French people would lash out at immigrants and there is no way Macron the Globalist would allow that to happen. It is doubtful anyone will ever know the truth. You have to ask yourself how the government determined the blaze was a result of construction activities while Notre Dame was engulfed inflames…pretty quick investigative work…

    Liked by 2 people

    • keeler says:

      Pure speculation but renovation equals heavy machinery, which equals a lot of high electric voltage running through an 850 year old building. It is likely the electrical system itself is old, and possibly jury-rigged, as it often is in buildings constructed well before Ben Franklin took his kite for a spin. Those situations tend to increase the risk of electrical shorts and arcing. That doesn’t even take into consideration the possibility that welding arcs or open flame tools might have been in use.

      The roof interior appears to have been a tight environment composed acres and acres and acres of old wood framing, covered in centuries of who knows what kinds of varnish, staining, or other treatments. To this fuel we might also add rags, sawdust, wooden beams, flammable liquids, and other potential fuel sources present due to the renovation work.

      On a side note, as I’ve been looking into the case the cathedral apparently installed a “discrete” electrical wiring system in the roofing system back in the 1990s designed to keep pigeons away. This 30 year old electrical system is another area of potential failure, perhaps one that was overlooked during this current renovation.

      Upthread was a very good twitter logger from a firefighter detailing the challenges of fighting a fire on the roof a building of this magnitude. It may not answer why there wasn’t a better plan, or any plan, in place, but it does explain the apparent deficiencies in the response.

      Like

      • Esperanza says:

        No electricity in the roof as fire hazard. We shall have to see, but they must have been hot welding the lead on the spire, so must have come from there. Incidentally it was built without setting a single fire. A feat in itself.

        Like

      • Emuuuu says:

        Islamic terrorism

        Like

    • nwtex says:

      “… want to understand how construction related activities triggered…
      Not uncommon at all…… happens all the time.

      My only thought is that there were no injuries (known at this time anyway). And there lies the blessing.

      Like

  37. Thebeez says:

    30 minutes after fire starts, video shows this man on/in Notre Dame. Who? Why there?

    H/t Stefan Molyneux retweeting Amy Mek

    Like

  38. Mary Ann says:

    It is heartbreaking when fire destroys history.. There are one of a kind artifacts that can not be replaced.. Just as when ISIS burned the Mosul library.. Thank God no one was killed in the fire, they also can not be replaced..
    I would certainty look into everyone who worked on the restorations..

    Like

  39. boogywstew says:

    Salma Hayek’s husband has pledged $113 million US to rebuild Notre Dame per FOX News.

    Liked by 1 person

  40. Summer says:

    Muslims are happy.

    Like

  41. Patrick healy says:

    On the occasion of our 25th wedding anniversary 25 years ago this week, we visited this wonderful old house of God.
    Since then it has become more of a house of mammon and is celebrated as Europe’s major tourist attraction.
    At the same time France, which used to be the bride/pride of Christendom, has reverted to a pagan nation.
    I have a suggestion for those promising to restore Notre Dame. Ask the Saudi sheiks for the cash and turn it into a mosque.
    After all in 50 years, or less, France – like the rest of Europe and large swathes of the U S A – will be majority Muslim.
    Problem solved.

    Like

    • Vito Romano says:

      Christianity’s long reign as the world’s largest religion will come to an end !
      Islam’s growth ultimately involve simple demographics.

      Muslims will grow more than twice as fast as the overall world population between 2015 and 2060

      The growth of the Muslim population also is helped by the fact that Muslims have the youngest median age (24 in 2015) of all major religious groups

      Like

      • Coast says:

        Just where is the Faith that Christ will return soon for His bride, and that God the Father will extend His wrath upon the world, as written in His Word? And that Christ will prevail?

        Like

      • covfefe999 says:

        That chart is worldwide. In the US, where we still have some hope, the statistics and projections are a bit different. For example, the “unaffiliated” include not only people who believe in God but are not tied to a particular religion but also atheists (and agnostics, who are atheists). That population is actually on the increase and rivals muzzies. Christians might not consider unaffiliateds as their allies but when it comes to combatting the scourge of muzzie totalitarian ideology, unaffiliateds are indeed allies. And even if unaffiliated growth isn’t due to births, it can occur as people become disenchanted with their original organized religion or simply lose belief in God.

        Like

  42. Emuuuu says:

    It is not out of the realm to suspect Muslim terror as the cause of this.

    Like

  43. Sunshiny SA, says:

    So saddened by this.

    Like

  44. kurt72 says:

    When do we start burning down the mosques in America?

    Liked by 1 person

    • Deb says:

      Never. Our anger stays cold until we are directly attacked and must defend ourselves. Creeping Sharia is the threat in the US, and that is a political fight.

      Liked by 2 people

  45. LEET says:

    Cavuto hangs up on a Catholic League guest who mentions the fact that several churches have been attacked recently in Europe and especially France and perhaps this fire is related.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/15/cavuto-donohue-notre-dame-cathedral-fire-accident/

    Like

  46. LeastInterestingManInTheWorld says:

    If reconstructed with the same vigor as the WTC, it’ll only take 2400 years!

    Like

  47. sDee says:

    Dr. Bill Warner. May 2015. “We live in a time in which Islamic State is destroying antiquities that are thousands of years old”…….

    “Allah hates the Kafir and all Kafir civilizations which are jahiliyyah (ignorance). This is not the last destruction we will see.

    As Islam enters every new territory, its purpose is not just take over the government, but to annihilate the civilization.

    Destroying the heritage of the culture helps to destroy the civilization.”

    Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s