Friday December 14th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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144 Responses to Friday December 14th – Open Thread

  1. Sherlock Holmes (Jeremy Brett) – “I’m Gettin’ Nuttin’ for Christmas”. (Hope that everyone here is getting everything they’ve ever wanted. A Happy Christmas to all.)

    And if you’d like to think of it as a Wassail song, Benedict Cumberbatch’s Sherlock Holmes in “All About Berries” by Julia Ecklar. Boys Night Out!
    http://www.iment.com/maida/tv/hw/video/Sherlock-Holmes-All-About-Berries-Julia-Ecklar.htm

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  2. citizen817 says:

    ROCK LAYERS AT BRYCE CANYON OC

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  3. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    So Soon

    How highly the Galatian believers had esteemed Paul; how heartily they had loved him when he had first come to them proclaiming grace! The Apostle recalls it in Galatians 4:13-15:

    “Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.

    “And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

    “Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.”

    How happy in grace, how thoroughly blessed, had the Galatian Christians been — when Paul was with them! But let the Apostle turn his back, as it were; let the legalizers come courting on the morrow and suddenly these same believers were ready to go back under the Law. “So soon” had they fallen from grace! The Apostle was dumbfounded! “I marvel,” he says, “that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel”(Gal.1:6).

    How unspeakably sad! And how natural that, hearing the news, the Apostle should sit down immediately to write them this urgent epistle, in large letters.

    The temptations to “fall from grace” are as great today as they ever were. It would be well, therefore, to read this letter to the Galatians often so that we might be among those who “stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free” (Gal.5:1).

    By Pastor Cornelius R. Stam

    https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/so-soon/

    Galatians 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
    14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
    15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.

    Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

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  4. citizen817 says:

    TUMPAK SEWU WATERFALL AT SUNRISE WITH MT. SEMERU IN THE BACK. SCENES STRAIGHT OUT OF JURASSIC PARK.

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  5. Garrison Hall says:

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  7. millwright says:

    “Moonbeam” Brown is selling out the Dim’s argument for more ” immigrants” ! CA’s DWRB is planning on abrogating – seizing , not buying – the senior water rights of thousands of its farmers where the Dim’s claim those new arrivals would work . NO water no farm economy, and no food at home or for export to the rest of the nation ! And all this for some fish ! At the rate the Demononrats are going on the invasion issue CA’s new “citizens (aka D. voters ) won’t have enough water to drink let alone bathe . But like personal jet travel, there will water aplenty for the elites I’m sure ! Maybe a water shortage will revive CA’s moribund trucking industry !

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    • nimrodman says:

      yeah, so we need the illegals to “pick the crops” but now we’ll seize the water rights so there won’t be water to “water the crops” “the illegals will pick” so now we’re left with “no crops”

      but we’re still stuck with “the illegals”

      heyyyyy ….. we been swindled

      I reckon

      (check my math, but I think I got it correct)

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    • farmhand1927 says:

      Moonbeam stated in 2016 if Donald Trump was elected, he (Moonbeam) would build a wall around California. So sad that was another Fake Threat and not reality.

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  8. Lucille says:

    “Mom Brought to Tears When Airline Stranger Gives Up First Class Seat for Her Sick Daughter”
    https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/jason-kunselman-switches-seats-with-kelsey-zwick/

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  9. Garrison Hall says:

    Here’s a happy post-Cursday rescue story. It saddens me to read about abandoned dogs who stay were they were dropped, hoping their people will return. It is said that dogs can’t feel emotions like humans do and claiming that they do is just simply Anthropomorphizing. I don’t think that’s true. Because of their long association with humans, dogs (cats too! :-)) reflect human emotions as best they can. They know love and give it uncritically and without reservations. They know bravery too and, especially, and they know loyalty. That’s why an abandoned dog will wait beside the road where he or she was dropped . . . waiting patiently for their people who will never return.

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  10. citizen817 says:

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  11. Lucille says:

    “Horse Love” starring Peyo

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  12. millwright says:

    Drudge annoyed the USG is colllecting record tax revenues thanks to ther ‘T”rump economy ! Bu the House Demonrats have an answer to ” the problem ” , they’re bringing back “earmarks ” ! Just when America thought there was enough swill to send some toward reducing the federal debt the federal hogs grew more stomachs !

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  13. thank you for the heads up Janie ❤️

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  14. millwright says:

    The above should read ” announced ” – and boy do I hate spell check !

    ” Rolling Thunder ” has announced May 2019 is going to be their lasts ride to D.C. citing numerous problems with the Pentagon Police in 2018 turning riders away at the main parking lot but not informing riders they could go to the south lot – they had rented two lots ! Why should our veterans have to rent space they fought and died to protect ? There were other issues with planned event locations as well . Seems the SD-bureaucrats found ways to piss upon Rolling Thunder’s parade !

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  15. nimrodman says:

    ‘Penises Cause Climate Change’; Progressives Fooled by Peer-Reviewed Hoax Study
    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/05/20/delingpole-penises-cause-climate-change-progressives-fooled-by-peer-reviewed-hoax-study/

    Gender studies is a fake academic industry populated by charlatans, deranged activists and gullible idiots.

    Now, a pair of enterprising hoaxers has proved it scientifically by persuading an academic journal to peer-review and publish their paper claiming that the penis is not really a male genital organ but a social construct.

    The paper, published by Cogent Social Sciences – “a multidisciplinary open access journal offering high quality peer review across the social sciences” – also claims that penises are responsible for causing climate change.

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    • smiley says:

      LOL…I love it 😀

      hats off to those 2 clever “enterprising hoaxers”.

      worth reading the article you linked to get the full meaning and appreciate the humor/irony in it.

      the dupes they duped are so twisted.

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  16. smiley says:

    very good article…clear & concise…makes very good points…Daniel Horowitz lays it all out, here….

    Border Reality : A Caravan Crosses Every Day

    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/border-reality-a-caravan-crosses-every-day/

    Dec 13, 2018

    excellent article, well worth reading the entire piece.

    a few hi-lites…

    it’s a much bigger problem that the situation now parked in Tijuana…it’s the equivalent of a caravan quietly crossing the border every day..

    “Because Pelosi and Schumer refuse to end catch-and-release policies, the drug cartels are using our border agents to complete criminal conspiracies killing our citizens.”

    he lays out the grim facts and HOW this is being manipulated by the cartels…he has the numbers..the facts.

    it’s happening in places like Yuma just west of San Luis “where the Colorado River has dried up.”

    and in El Paso along with Tijuana

    El Paso, in fact, “is now the second biggest trafficking area of the nine border sectors.”

    this is being driven by asylum , DACA and catch-and-release policies supported by Pelosi and Schumer that are being exploited by the drug cartels …and the Mexican poppy growers..

    …the Mexican poppy fields have more than tripled in size since 2013-2016. (!)

    Border patrol is powerless to stop the record flow of drugs pouring into and across the border, facilitated by the flow of illegals, “because resources are stretched thin and our policies play into the scheme of the drug cartels.”

    we don’t just need a wall…we need to eliminate those “policies” that are like magnets .

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    • smiley says:

      just as an aside…wonder how much money has been, and is actually being, appropriated for immigrant welfare as compared to how much money is needed for the border wall ?

      betcha immigrant welfare wins by miles…and miles…and miles…

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  17. smiley says:

    from her series Beach Studies

    2017-2018

    by Sally West ~ Australian (b. 1971, New South Wales) ~ Contemporary ~ Abstracts

    she paints with a palette knife on canvas, en plein air from high up on a rock platform looking down on the Freshwater Beach in Sydney Australia.

    her perch…

    😀

    more about the Beach Series….

    https://www.ignant.com/2017/06/19/sally-wests-beach-studies/

    more about Sally, the artist…

    http://sallywestart.com/

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    • nimrodman says:

      thanks smiley, great stuff. I cut and pasted it in my “art” file, noticed you’re the one always posting the Wyeths too. thanks for all those as well, I grew up in that area he painted.

      amazing technique on this beach series, you probably have to step back 15 feet to get the knife technique to smooth out and approximate a more “normal” looking viewing.

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      • smiley says:

        you’re welcome, n’man 🙂

        I do remember you’re proximity to Wyeth territory.

        this palette knife technique she uses is pretty cool b/c the thickness of the paint on the knife actually creates little shadows after it’s applied so liberally to the canvas…

        like little 3-d shadows in the “sun” under the waves, the beach umbrellas, the people..

        I really like the way she abbreviates it all…no details…just the paint.

        it’s fun.

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  18. nwtex says:

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  19. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.”
    Proverbs 30:5 (KJV)

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  20. nimrodman says:

    aw, hell, I know it’s the 21st Century and all that, but I want this life. where’s my wayback machine?

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  21. Dora says:

    Edouard Manet – The Burial 1867

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  22. Dora says:

    Today in History.

    Dec. 14, 1799: The excruciating final hours of President George Washington

    It was a house call no physician would relish. On Dec. 14, 1799, three doctors were summoned to Mount Vernon in Fairfax County, Va., to attend to a critically ill, 67-year-old man who happened to be known as “the father of our country.”

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington

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    • amwick says:

      Yoga pants and concealed carry don’t seem to go hand in hand… First, concealing a pistol is difficult in something that is skin tight,, so you have to have a long shirt over everything. Second, stretchy material just doesn’t seem to have enough support. Maybe they have reinforced that “pocket” somehow.. I guess it’s possible.. IDK, I would be worried about it spilling out… hmmmm odd, I guess I am just too old…

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  23. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  24. Dora says:

    God Bless Poland.

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  25. Dora says:

    I’m amazed when I see that picture of the Earth. How do we all fit on that small planet? 🙂

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  26. amwick says:

    I meant to post this pic I saw in the twitterverse.. then I got distracted..

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  27. amwick says:

    Rant warning..
    I was driving on an interstate in SC, not too far from Columbia, when the SUV in front of me hit a bump, and a huge hunk of snow flew off their roof and dmn near crashed into my windshield. (I was a safe distance behind, but snow chunks can fly) This also happens with trucks,,, and it can be deadly. You have something flying at your car your reflexes take over, and the results could be tragic.. I clenched my teeth and held on to the steering wheel, waiting for a thud, but luckily that didn’t happen… GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
    Normal people would not drive with a load of large rocks on the roof, they might think about it.. but snow???? Fines and/or jail.. SMH…. Rant over… sorry.. carry on.

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  28. Dora says:

    Today’s Quote.

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    “To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”
    ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

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  29. czarowniczy says:

    TV news this AM is huffing, puffing and all hopped up in indignation over the 7 year old girl who died in Border Patrol custody. She was with her parents, part of a group of 160 illegals rounded up by the BP, and was in processing when she went into seizures. She was evaluated and flown to a hospital in El Paso but died from septic shock and dehydration after she wasn’t fed or given water for days. She was part of a new pattern of more families making the crossings through Mexican and US deserts to illegally enter the US.

    I’m wondering how, with the expenses involved making crossings by individuals prohibitively expensive, so many families can afford it now? Hmmmmm…might someone/something be subsidizing this sudden increase in families illegally immigrating?

    Now let’s look at this from another angle, let’s say this was a middle class American family from, oh let’s say Salt Lake City, who’d trekked through trackless desert on an illegal mission and had not provided their child with food or water for days? Would the media be out patting mom and pop on the head, holding their hands and cooing softly about how terrible it was they were put into that position or would they be hitting them over their heads with demands they be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Where are the child abuse charges against parents who knowingly and willingly subject their children to deadly conditions in crossing hostile lands without adequate preparations? Where are the investigations, and prosecutions, of 3rd parties who aid these illegals in their multiply illegal acts?

    These deaths, reported and anonymous, are acceptable casualties to the Democrats and other social engineers trying to flood the US with Latinos and change voting demographics. Death to them is an acceptable byproduct, a tool of the process even that Stalin and Lenin found acceptable as do the likes of our Democratic ‘leadership’.

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    • smiley says:

      the more victims , the more blame they can put on Guess Who.

      the perfect crisis .

      other thing I’ve noticed w/ a lot of these illegals : not much in the way of brains there.

      amazingly low mentalities running amok.

      easy prey for activists & organizers…and conniving, murderous drug cartels.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        That’s what the engineers trying to turn purple states blue want, compliant and pliable immigrants willing to vote for food…and housing…and Medicaid.

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        • smiley says:

          when you look at the profile of a con-man…a scammer…it always includes the ploy to gain sympathy.

          the sympathy ruse.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            To me this is less about the sympathy aspet than it is the callousness which they show in using the deaths of children as acceptable tools in their engineering box. They talk to us about giving up our guns and freedom of speech, opening up our borders to free passage and embracing the suck.
            Sorry, I gotta soldier on.

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            • smiley says:

              they use the children b/c they know how that plays out here with the emotional blackmail from the Left.

              it is callous…it is abuse…so is abortion..

              you’re right…a means to an end.

              the end justifies the means.

              and the meaner the better.

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              • czarowniczy says:

                And these are the turds swho want us to accept them as our benign dicktators.

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                • smiley says:

                  it only works with useful idiots .

                  ignorance leads to their kind of “bliss”.

                  they know the rest of us will never “accept” them…not without a fight…so.disarm us and keep us muzzled..and.maybe we’ll just give up.

                  or maybe we won’t.

                  thing is…they need to overwhelm us…need more idiots to radicalize.

                  so they give free stuff to buy loyalties, hook line and sinker.

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                • czarowniczy says:

                  I want to see how volatile the ethnic mix the Rats have put together holds together. They’ve been diligent in trying to minimize the inter-ethic tensions and turning them against us but this can’t hold forever…

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  30. Dora says:

    They’re not going anyplace.

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  31. Dora says:

    Now they’re really taking it too far!

    =====

    Ridiculous: Vox wants constitutional change so Ocasio-Cortez can run for president
    https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/ridiculous-vox-wants-constitutional-change-so-ocasio-cortez-can-run-for-president

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  32. Zippy says:

    The ‘Other’ America (That the MSM Won’t Let You See)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/other-america-msm-wont-let-you-see

    Lies, #resistance, nationalism, hate speech, racism, #metoo, white supremacy, socialism, nazis… and Russians!?

    This is the America spewed in to Americans’ brains 24/7 by the mainstream media as “the middle” has been lost.

    But every now and again, something happens that allows ‘average joe’ Americans to reflect proudly on their nation, be patriotic, and share empathy with those who honorably do Washington’s bidding without question.

    In a video taken at Nashville International Airport in Tennessee, Jen Tringale caught the following faith-restoring moment on her phone and posted to Facebook:

    “I witnessed an international airport come to a complete stop today…

    At the Nashville airport I walked out into the concourse to this scene @americanairlines was flying a plane full of children who had lost a parent in combat to Disneyworld [sic] on an all-expenses-paid trip and they threw a party for them at the gate.

    But when they announced them over the loud speaker and they lined up to board the plane, the whole airport literally stopped and sang the national anthem with military present in salute.

    Most every person standing around, myself included, was bawling at the sight of these kids and spouses who have paid so great a price for our country. To see all of this at Christmas time was so humbling. Seeing the general public in an airport stand still to honor these kids was simply beautiful.”

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  33. czarowniczy says:

    We have an hour-long local noon Fox news broadcast here. Smack in the middle of it was a piece about how the Trump Administration is planning (tense of the verb is important here) to deport thousands of Vietnamese refugees here who’ve been here for decades. In the spiel they mentioned that among them were some accused of crimes and many that weren’t. In all they made it seem as if the Administration was kicking down doors in the Vietnamese communities grabbing them and putting them in camps.

    Fast forward to reality. Last year the DHS started picking up Vietnamese immigrants who had green cards, had been in the US for decades but hadn’t bothered to be naturalized. In all there were some 8000-ish and many of those also had criminal records and, under US law, were deportable. They weren’t being loaded on planes for immediate deportations, they were being processed and court proceedings were in the works. Many were being released from custody as they’d reached their max allowable time in custody without a deportation date, the US ambassador to Vietnam even resigned in protest over the policy last year. As of last month DHS was announcing that due to legal snafus with both US law and agreements signed decades ago with Vietnam they were backing off on the entire plan.

    I called the local Fox station and talked to a reporter, asking why they were reporting this as new and not a long ongoing thing that was largely resolved. What I got was interesting – the reporter said she didn’t know where they got the info though it was a feed from somewhere. She didn’t know who set it up nor was she familiar with the issue as a whole, they were just reporting ‘some news’, but she promised me that they were researching it and would put out a piece when they sorted it all out. Shouldn’t you do that (especially Fox) BEFORE you run the piece?

    In the meantime the NOLA mayor released a statement saying the deportations were ‘an ugly effort to target our Vietnamese neighbors’ and ‘the entire city of New Orleans stands in solidarity with our Vietnamese community’. She tacitly acknowledged the fact that these decades-old immigrants had overstayed their green cards by ‘urging them to seek citizenship’. Considering she’s not from New Orleans she may not know about the…ummmmm…lack of solidarity with the Vietnamese community here in the 80s and into the 90s when not only did they completely dominate the top honors tiers in the NOLA public school system but also got flak from a segment of the population for trying to pay back the welfare they’d received. That said, the mayor was here for the ugly and heavily racially tinged election where Joseph Cao (first Vietnamese-American to serve in the US Congress) was elected in the predominantly black Louisiana 2nd District, filling the seat Dollar Bill Jefferson vacated due to his conviction. Cao was not reelected in an equally race-tinged bid. Short memories.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Whoops…flash of inspiration…might this sudden push to get this immigration/.deportation issue out there, a month after its seeming resolution, be an attempt by the Rats to get the greater Vietnamese community involved in the illegal ‘Mexican’ immigration issue? By giving them a toe in the water make them thong cam to the plight of their displaced ilk?

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “might this sudden push to get this immigration/.deportation issue out there”

        Stir up the pot and throw things into the hot water that in reality have no business being included.
        Fake News by the Main Sewer Media.

        “….the reporter said she didn’t know where they got the info though it was a feed from somewhere. She didn’t know who set it up nor was she familiar with the issue as a whole, they were just reporting ‘some news’….”

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    • andyocoregon says:

      IMO, no matter what someone’s nationality is or how long they’ve been in our country, if they are undocumented and have not applied for citizenship, they should be processed for deportation. We are supposed to be a nation of laws.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        I believe the Rats think we are a nation of laws too…laws made up on the spur of a situation to meet an immediate need.
        Then again sometimes a LAWS is what you need to deal with Rats. (too obscure/military?)

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  34. getfitnow says:

    Trump broke her.

    FTA – But during a commencement address at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Maryland, on Friday, Warren made clear that she does not consider herself a person of color.

    “I’m not a person of color. And I haven’t lived your life or experienced anything like the subtle prejudice, or more overt harm, that you may have experienced just because of the color of your skin,” Warren admitted.

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/14/elizabeth-warren-admits-not-person-of-color/

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  35. getfitnow says:

    FTA – Who Wore It Best? Beautiful Melania Trump or Bag Lady Nancy Pelosi in Her Boxy Red Coat?

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/who-wore-it-best-beautiful-melania-trump-or-bag-lady-nancy-pelosi-in-her-boxy-red-coat/

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  36. LafnH20 says:

    Members of Congress will have to pay out of pocket to settle sexual misconduct claims under legislation that Congress passed this week.

    Lawmakers could previously use public funds to settle the claims.

    The House of Representatives and the Senate approved the bipartisan measure on a voice vote on Dec. 13.

    https://m.theepochtimes.com/members-of-congress-will-now-have-to-personally-pay-to-settle-sexual-misconduct-claims_2739191.html

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  37. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  38. auscitizenmom says:

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  39. Herbert Kroll says:

    All three state department employees who made sure classified intelligence was passed to senators Warner, ardin and Corker seem to be of Turkish origin. I reckon that is no concidence.
    https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-documents-reveal-obama-state-department-urgently-provided-classified-russiagate-documents-to-multiple-senators-immediately-ahead-of-trump-inauguration/

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    • wondering999 says:

      Used to read a message board in the years right before and after 9/11/2001 that focused on a variety of interests. There was another participants, a man from Hawaii who irritated many of the participants because he wrote frequently trying to bring our attention to Sibel Edmonds, a whistleblower who worked briefly for the FBI. Edmonds was fired and harassed after she protested that her Farsi/Turkish translations would be erased every night by the Turkish translators she worked with at the FBI. I never read about Edmonds anyplace else…
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

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    • wondering999 says:

      When I read about Edmonds I came across comments pointing to the role Turkey in the opioid business. The DEA website linked below notes that opium poppies are grown for the legal trade mainly in Australia, India and Turkey.

      https://www.deamuseum.org/ccp/opium/production-distribution.html

      There is a huge illegal trade in opium poppies/heroin in Afghanistan, and much of the Afghan-grown product is transferred through Turkey. As a result, a lot of illegal drug money is handled in Turkey, and that money can purchase politicians elsewhere around the globe, including the United States

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      • Herbert Kroll says:

        Well, a couple of years ago I was approached by two Kurdish agents in Amsterdam. We had a political discussion that at some point triggered one of them to exclaim a lengthy citation of Karl Marx… I’m not pro-Erdogan, but his enemies aren’t my friends either. The Tahrir square demonstrations had all the markings of a Soros-financed operation with the far left, SJW-style, Kurdish party HDP as the main organizers and I’m pretty sure that the Obama administration was involved as well and actively tried to overthrow Erdogan’s government, twice.

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