Russia Opens Fire and Seizes Three Ukrainian Vessels…

The Ukraine/Crimea/Russia crisis flares up again today as Russia blockaded the Sea of Azov then fired upon three Ukrainian naval ships who attempted passage Sunday.  After wounding several sailors, the Russians then seized the three boats; igniting another crisis between the two countries and initiating an emergency U.N. Security Council meeting tomorrow.

The EU and NATO alliance will likely call for U.S. assisted military intervention of some sort.  The structure of the Ukrainian government is full of western intelligence assets; and once again we can expect the professionally republican and professionally democrat to unite in common cause and demand we go to war….

Russian jet fighters fly over a bridge connecting the Russian mainland with the Crimean Peninsula with a cargo ship beneath it after three Ukrainian navy vessels was stopped by Russia from entering the Sea of Azov via the Kerch Strait in the Black Sea, Crimea November 25, 2018. REUTERS/Pavlishak Alexey

(Reuters) Russia’s FSB security service said early on Monday its border patrol boats had seized the Ukrainian naval vessels in the Black Sea and used weapons to force them to stop, Russian news agencies reported.

The FSB said it had been forced to act because the ships – two small Ukrainian armored artillery vessels and a tug boat – had illegally entered its territorial waters, attempted illegal actions, and ignored warnings to stop while maneuvering dangerously.

“Weapons were used with the aim of forcibly stopping the Ukrainian warships,” the FSB said in a statement circulated to Russian state media.

“As a result, all three Ukrainian naval vessels were seized in the Russian Federation’s territorial waters in the Black Sea.”

The FSB said three Ukrainian sailors were wounded in the incident and were getting medical care. Their lives were not in danger, it said.

[…]  Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko met his top military and security chiefs. Poroshenko said he would propose that parliament impose martial law.

Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and then built a giant road bridge linking it to southern Russia that straddles the Kerch Strait – a narrow stretch of water that links the Black Sea to the Sea of Azov, which is home to two of Ukraine’s most important ports.

Russia’s control of Crimea, where its Black Sea Fleet is based, and of the bridge mean it is able to control shipping flows.

The crisis began on Sunday after Russia stopped the three Ukrainian ships from entering the Sea of Azov by placing a cargo ship beneath the bridge. (Read More)

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450 Responses to Russia Opens Fire and Seizes Three Ukrainian Vessels…

  1. MALTHUS says:

    Putin must believe his goals in Syria have been largely achieved, giving him leisure to expand Russia’s footprint in Europe.

    If his goals were peaceful, he would negotiate to lease a naval base in Ukraine, much like we did with Subic Bay and the English did in Hong Kong. Wouldn’t it be better than confrontation?

    If Russian war ships blockaded the Straits of Hormuz, the US Navy would promptly work to break it because oil is essential to industry and Freedom of the Seas is very much in our national interest.

    We risk less here because a Ukrainian blockade does not destabilize the international economy but ignoring the provocation from Putin will only serve to encourage additional Russian adventurism.

    Put the question to Putin: are you for war or will you pay to lease Ukrainian ports? This should clarify the issue immediately.

    I suspect Putin favors violent means to attain his ends and should be judged accordingly. This means US naval capabilities will have to be strengthened in anticipation of Putin’s next provocation.

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    • Free Speech says:

      Welcome Neocon war propagandists! Glad to see so many of you visiting the Treehouse. We would first like to dispense with the Putin bad/Putin good arguments. I will grant you your Short Man Bad arguments, but point out we made it through full scale invasions of Eastern Europe and Stalinist mass starvations during the Cold War without nuking the planet, so I hardly think the annexation of Crimea is a hill to die on.

      As to whether Putin should ‘lease’ a port in the Ukraine, how is that any kind of option when it is obvious to him that a regime hostile to Russia was deliberately installed by the former US administration? He would never have annexed Crimea if he didn’t know that regime was never going to deal even-handedly with him.

      I’m not a Russian bot or a Putin fan boy. But my Trumpian America First loyalties are not going to be conflated with Bush/Clinton/Obama globalism first positions.

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      • Free Speech says:

        Also, as far as I can gather, Russia has not “shut down” or “blockaded” the Kerch Strait. They confiscated 3 Ukrainian boats they claim were in their territorial waters. Neocons love to exaggerate the facts. I suppose you’ll raise me a ‘Russian lies’ on that one, so let me do a little pre-emption of my own and tell you, “I don’t care.” The Ukraine still has Odessa right on the Black Sea a few hundred miles away. Not our hill to die on.

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        • Steve says:

          Thank you for that.

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        • Do you know the map of Ukraine? The Kerch Strait is the only path to the Sea of Azov which is primarily bordered by Ukraine.

          When Ukraine gave up the 3rd largest Nuclear arsenal in the world, the USA promised to defend it should any invasion happen. When the invasion happened the candya$$ odummy refused to intercede which has caused the death of over 12,000 people in a war that has been going on since 2014…… I have been to the Donbass and have seen the truth not muscovian propaganda.

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          • Free Speech says:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution
            Here. Even your own neoliberal, globalist propaganda at Wikipedia calls it a Color Revolution.

            The U.S. also promised Gorbachev we wouldn’t move NATO right up to Russia’s door.

            Here’s the thing with the Ukrainian lobbyists who’ve descended en masse for this topic. You want to brag about how you did Maidan all by yourself, like big boys and girls. You don’t want to accept the stink that the motives and reputations behind the funding (the Demon Soros) puts on it. And when an American doesn’t want to send our soldiers to die over 3 of your damn boats, you use words like muscovite and Putin lover. Get this straight, Ukies. I am an American. I don’t give two craps about Putin.

            And don’t think for one second I don’t think YOU instigated this, not Putin, to try and get us over there, and that’s why you’re on here protesting so hard. I don’t read ‘muscovian’ propaganda. I see global events and add two and two. You throw yourselves in with Soros and the anti-Trump, globalist EU? Why don’t you handle it yourselves like big boys and girls.

            Because of the Holodomor, I’d love to sympathize with the Ukraine. But then you start the you-owe-it-to-bomb-Russia-for-us stuff. We’re sanctioning the crap out of them. Talk to your globalist EU partner Merkel who keeps buying their gas and propping them up.

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            • Mary says:

              For a brief history lesson our politicians and media think not relevant, Russia has occupied and controlled Crimea since Catherine the Great – 300 years I think that is. In Russian history, it is like our Plymouth Rock where the Pilgrims landed. For its Russian Orthodox Church, there is also quite a bit of history that occurred there and sites that were long ago designated as holy. Over 75% of its occupants are Russian, not Ukranian. The next sizeable minority are Tatars – Muslims, not Ukranians. So for 300 years, it has housed a Russian Naval Base. Crimea and Ukraine are strategically important in defending (or invading Russia). Much history to that. So when the USSR collapsed and most all of the Russian military bases were closed, the base in Crimea was kept.
              Crimea was always a part of Russia. In the 1950’s, Khrushchev for some reason attached it to the state of Ukraine (a state within the USSR). But Russia maintained control of the peninsula always, via a lease. In 2014 when the Maiden Coup occurred, Russia held a lease on the property, memory tells me that ran through 2030. The Maiden Revolution however bought in fascists within the government which became a puppet of the US. Russia acted to protect that base, their Holy Lands, their heritage, and their property as far as they were concerned. Russia made it very clear they would fight a war before relinquishing Crimea to anyone. They had the support of the people living on Crimea. They had the support of the Russian people in this.
              To say Russia invaded and Putin sought territory or to restore the USSR I think is just propaganda ramblings. There were over 20,000 Russian troops already there before Maiden occurred. Historians and experts including Henry Kissinger have stated that what Russia did was totally predictable and should have been taken into consideration before we conducted that coup de tat of the Ukrainian government. I agree and think it reflects the gross in competencies of our foreign policy experts.
              As to Ukraine, it is a far worse mess than before we intervened to ‘save’ them. They would have a war with Russia because 1) there are fascists within that government that are violent and hateful and downright crazy; and 2) the current government is more corrupt than the last and despise by the majority of people in Ukraine. A war fought by the US for Ukraine might give them a chance at maintaining power. Their president is today trying to get approval to declare martial law over this incident which would enable him to postpone his upcoming election which he probably will otherwise lose.

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              • Free Speech says:

                Thanks for the history. I know. It’s too obvious this is a stunt pulled to either/or A) divide our resources and attention away from the ‘migrant’ test of our resolve to remain sovereign and nationalist B) force POTUS to attack Russia or risk looking guilty before the Mueller investigation of the Russian collusion nonsense.

                We’re dealing with globalists who are the most despicable human beings.

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                • Free Speech says:

                  Problem from our perspective is Putin has backed the wrong horse in Assad and Iran. I understand how he was backed into that corner in some ways, but if it comes down to Russia and Israel, the US and Israel are joined at the hip. I can accept an Israel under Netanyahu that is willing to recognize the right of its allies to their nationalism.

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            • Voltaire says:

              Thank God for your cogent response.

              I’ve gotten 20 comments, most not understanding that from a strategic standpoint, Putin can not go any further without war.

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          • smartyjones1 says:

            Thousands and thousands of people murdered by an invading force from Russia courtesy of former KGB officer Pukey?

            There are people here who don’t want to know about any of it. To even acknowledge any of it means WWIII, yesterday!

            That’s the stupid in action and you can’t make them care about anything.

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            • Smack says:

              “Thousands and thousands of people murdered by an invading force from Russia courtesy of former KGB officer Pukey?”

              Were they Americans? No? Then I really cannot be bothered to care. It’s their problem to fix.

              The bottom line is that humans are brutal and, as a result, the world is a brutal place. You survive by either destroying your persecutor or being such a big threat that none dare persecute you. Personally, I’m sick of sending our blood and treasure into a non-stop meat-grinder while globalist continue to pollyannishly deny this tenet of human nature.

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        • NME666 says:

          you do know that “neo-can” is a term coined by lefty demoKKKraps to describe their more centrist bed fellows don’t cha, McStupid????

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        • cali says:

          @Free Speech: One of the Ukrainian ships were equipped with nukes and up to no good. NATO and the rest do everything they can to start WWIII and drawing the US into their scheme.
          The Ukrainian tugboat was equipped with nukes to blow up the bridge with the intent to start the world war.

          Russia listened in and surveilled these ships ergo as soon as they entered their waters Putin stopped and seized them to disrupt their scheme.

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      • Dan B says:

        Hear, hear.

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      • chojun says:

        I had a former co-worker who grew up in Crimea, Ukraine. His parents to this day still live in Crimea.

        Based on everything he explained to me, the situation in Crimea is NOT what western media is portraying (surprise, surprise). The overwhelming majority of Crimeans are ethnic and cultural Russians. Many (if not most) were there directly or indirectly because Crimea was a major Soviet port. When the Soviet Union collapsed, they were trapped as part of Ukraine. They wanted to be a part of Russia again.

        Again, this is all based on an explanation from an actual Crimean.

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        • Free Speech says:

          This was the same case with South Ossetia, as I understand also. Ethnic Georgians were extremely hostile to the ethnic Russians trapped there after the fall of the USSR. MSM comtinues to lie about that conflict.

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        • @ChicagoBri says:

          So if ethnic Mexicans in California feel trapped, it’s okay for Mexico to attack US ships?

          I don’t care one iota about what goes on in Crimea as it pertains to Russia and Ukraine. We have enough problems here that we shouldn’t be policeman to the world, as the moral preeners seem to desire. I just think we should look at analogies fro US before we start advocating one way or another.

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          • chojun says:

            Your analogy is inappropriate.

            A more correct analogy would be that the United States collapsed and a dozen or so states broke off and California as one of them formed its own sovereign nation. But it turns out the vast majority (>90%) of people outside San Fran/LA/Sacramento/etc in California don’t give a damn about California because Sacramento doesn’t give a damn about them and so they wanted to be part of the United States again. They forced a referendum, voted, and overwhelmingly chose to break away and rejoin the United States. The United States accepted the referendum and re-annexed part of California.

            The European Union rejects the result of this referendum and Angela Merkel sends weapons and aid to California to help re-secure certain parts of Californa which seceded back to the United States. The European Union also is courting California to join them and is also assisting corrupt EU-friendly politicians in Sacramento.

            THAT is an appropriate analogy to what’s going on in Crimea/Ukraine currently.

            It sounds like you and I both agree that this is a domestic issue between Ukraine and Russia and that we need to stay out of the whole mess.

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            • Putin’s “referendum” was held under the guns of an invading army after the import of thousands of other invaders and keeping the lawful residents from voting. It’s sad that you think such a referendum is legal, but there it is.

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              • chojun says:

                I have no doubt that Putin played a role in the referendum – it would be naive to assume otherwise. The fact of the matter is that Crimea was a *very* important port for the Soviet Union/Russia and Russia had strategic incentive in re-acquiring Crimea. I do recall hearing about shenanigans with the referendum. Mostly in that Ukraine was interfering with allowing it.

                There are those two factors at play here – the presence of a Soviet port and the presence of an overwhelming number of Russians there. Russia could’ve annexed the port all they wanted but if the populace wasn’t on board then they’d have martial law and a permanent military presence there in order to keep Ukraine at bay and the people from rioting. The absence of riots in Crimea is all you need to know about the situation.

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              • Free Speech says:

                Western polls a year later found 90 percent of Crimea wanted to be a part of Russia. Why is it so important for you to FORCE ethnic Russians into being a minority under a hostile Ukrainian government?

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            • zorg2 says:

              We red Californians would love to secede from blue California. I wish there was a real chance!

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            • @ChicagoBri says:

              I accept the gentle reprimand, but in my defense I was replying to chojun, who stated his or her understanding of the population of Crimea and how they view things.

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            • Lost says:

              The interesting parallel here if you’re arguing with a leftist Scotland and the EU. Post-Brexit, plenty of leftist Scottish folks were pushing to try and leave the UK so they can rejoin the EU on their own.

              Oddly enough, if you talk to a Western leftist their position on this situation is almost certain to be the polar opposite of their position on Crimea and Russia.

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            • Pyrran says:

              Other than guaranteeing freedom of navigation, I completely agree.
              For some reason, the deep state wants a conflict with Russia, perhaps so the media can ignore other stories closer to home. In any event, we should stay out of this.

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            • Voltaire says:

              Thank you, Chojun.

              So tired of inaccurate analogies…

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          • Lost says:

            Interesting analogy, and seems like a good exercise.

            Consider a counterfactual where Arizona had an odd shape encompassing its current shape, as well as reaching out to the Pacific Ocean including Imperial County and San Diego County (currently part of California). However, at some point in a show of goodwill the President of the US (ignore federalism…) decides to place San Diego County (including Naval Base Coronado etc) in California instead. Nobody thinks twice about it because, hey, it’s all America.

            Then California secedes. And the US isn’t happy about losing access to Coronado et al. Then California starts making moon eyes at the Warsaw Pact (or the Russian Federation, or China, or what have you), and we start getting really concerned. Do we seize land back to assure port access (and deny access to others)?

            I don’t actually have a strong and informed opinion on what the proper play on Crimea is from our point of view. But it seemed like it was worth trying to consider US analogies, as you suggested.

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            • Mary says:

              This is an issue that I think Americans should understand. Under the USSR, particularly Stalin, boundaries of various countries encompassed under the USSR were changed. Large groups of people were moved around, forceably. Some of this was like the gerrymandering we do in this country where Stalin sought to neutralize oppositional votes. When the USSR collapsed, the current boundaries were taken as they were. Thus many Russians got caught in other countries. Putin has taken the very strong position that should these Russians be persecuted by ethnic groups within those countries hostile towards Russians because of history with the USSR, Russia would act to protect their people. This is like Crimea, not a negotiable point to the Russians.

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          • completelytrue says:

            comment of the day

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        • snosandy says:

          That’s my understanding, too…I’m an American expat currently living in Russia

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        • Actually I have employees from Crimea. Crimeans do NOT want to be art of russia. Crimeans prefer to be free unto themselves. Pukeon has done a great job silencing the Tartars and restarting the rusification that started under Stalin

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        • smartyjones1 says:

          Oh, well if Crimea has those parents who want to be with Russia, why not the entire country of Ukraine?

          Hey, why not all of Europe? Is it too late to throw in Alaska to make Putin happy cause, Crimea.

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          • Smack says:

            Hey, and why not all of North America, or Earth or the Solar System while we are at it?

            Your attempt at a reductio ad absurdum argument fails for want of one simple phrase: Molon Labe. He can have what he is willing to “come and take”, they are incapable of preventing, and we are unwilling to fight to keep. Such is the way of the world as it has been since the birth of the first human society. However, once Putin surpasses the threshold of willing relinquishment, the “might” of the Russian military will be encapsulated within borders far, far more restrictive than the “all of Europe” or “Alaska” of your rhetorical.

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            • Voltaire says:

              Putin for king of the universe;

              \sarc

              Thank you for pointing out the “low-hanging” nature of Crimea. Anything further will be purchased in blood.

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      • east says:

        there is no regime in ukraine, but in russia. stop lying.

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        • Voltaire says:

          Then why is martial law being suggested?
          Tymoshenko’s lead in the polls getting too strong?

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          • Martial law is being considered because of the fifth column in Ukraine. It sets the stage to deal with such people in a way that even Putin will understand.

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            • Voltaire says:

              East Ukraine.
              The part with the Russian majority.
              The part that wants to be a part of Russia.
              The part that, along with Crimea, is lost.

              WHO ON THIS CHAT BOARD WANTS TO SEND U.S. TROOPS TO TAKE IT BACK?

              Exactly.

              Call me when the Russians set one boot on the other side of the dividing river.
              Until then it’s a stalemate, with a lot of warmongers ringing their hands on our side.

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              • Who wants the USA to live up to its promises? To say that eastern Ukraine has a russian majority is like saying Boston has an Irish majority, Your ethnicity does NOT make your loyalty. Most eastern Ukrainians consider themselves Ukrainian

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                • Voltaire says:

                  Who’s to say Ireland wouldn’t claim Boston, China wouldn’t claim west coast and Canada, and Mexico wouldn’t claim the southwest, one day?

                  History isn’t static.

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      • Callmelennie says:

        Before we get our panties in a twist …

        The Crimea historically always a part of Russia, so much so that even after the Communists formed the USSR, the Crimea was part of the Russian Socialist “Republic” Then in 1954, Khrushchev transferred the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR — probably to solidify his position with the Ukraine

        There was, after all, a historic atrocity inflicted on the Ukraine by the Communists, and Khrushchev was in the thick of it — so this could be seen as a way for Khrushchev to make amends to the Ukraine

        So to my way of thinking, neither side has a superior moral claim to this peninsula, as Ukraine’s ownership is based on an action by a man who is implicated in the horrors of the Holodomor

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        • Crimea was transferred to the administration of the Ukrainian SSR under Khrushchev. After the fall of the Soviet Union, and the independence of Ukraine, Crimea was recognized as part of Ukraine by the Regime in Russia and under the Budapest Memorandum, to which Russia was a signatory.

          The result of Putin’s behavior is the demonstration of the fact that no one can sign any agreement with Russia, and rely on it being kept. Putin has never gotten over his KGB thuggery, and never will. He’s simply the head of a criminal enterprise.

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        • Alaska was historically a part of russia as well … lets just hope pukeon does not consider the Natives of Alaska ethnic russian

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      • NATO is a trap. We should pull out. NO MORE FOREIGN WARS!

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        • modustollenz says:

          if McCain had his way, Ukraine, Georgia, etc., would have all been a part of NATO and this would mean that we’d be treaty bound to go to war with Russia ( a real shooting war where our guys will die).

          This is nuts. We have no interest in who’s flag flies over the Ukraine or Crimea. And it was our prompting (re: Neuland and the Obama/Clinton apparatus) that was pushing color coded revolutions to dispel the pro-Russian but duly elected leader of Ukraine and replace him with someone hostile to Putin. What we the US do if Russia was taking these same actions in Canada?

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      • MALTHUS says:

        Any policy response that forfeits Freedom of the Seas is a nonstarter.

        Jefferson could not tolerate Barbary Coast piracy. He sent Marines to North Africa to burn their ports and forts.

        I am not inviting anyone to choose sides in the Russia-Ukraine dispute but open sea lanes are an essential component of American economic well-being, which suggests that you are arguing against your own putative America First policy when you ask us to ignore aggressive Russian naval maneuvers.

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        • Free Speech says:

          “It remains unresolved under international law what parts of the sea belong to Ukraine and Russia as an internal sea, or if parts of the sea qualify as international waters.”

          https://www.stripes.com/news/us/russia-warns-sea-of-azov-off-limits-to-us-nato-ship-drills-1.552511

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        • Free Speech says:

          Russia is concerned about Ukrainian sabotage blowing up their bridge. Better them confiscate a few boats not following protocol that has been agreed upon by both parties and followed for 4 years than we end up in WWIII. You know what I think is more important than “Freedom of the Seas”? Security of our own damn borders. If you don’t at least suspect this is a staged distraction to draw our eyes away from the Soros caravan invasions by the Soros Ukraine puppets, I can’t help you. They claim Russia didn’t reply. When the Russian ship was coming straight for you, screaming over the loudspeaker for you to stop, that’s your reply.

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        • @ChicagoBro says:

          Just as Russia shouldn’t opine on any dispute between USA and Canada regarding the Great Lakes, we should mind our own business as to the Black Sea.

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      • The difficulty with your position is that Putin already had a deal on the bases in Crimea. Such a deal however, did not appeal to his tsarist revanchist ambitions. Putin is rattling sabres towards all of eastern Europe and failing to stand up to such stupidity has seen us involved in wars we had no desire to be in. You can think all you like that Putin has just been demonized, but the man is acting along the same lines as Hitler did.

        Putin inspired the hostility towards his regime on the part of Ukraine by invading the country. Your assertion is a case of utter idiocy. Putin has stated that the extent of the Soviet Union is Russia, and he has every intention of taking it all back. He has started with Ukraine. We don’t need to send troops as the Ukrainians are more than willing to fight for themselves.

        Your assertion that the current regime in Ukraine was installed by the US is simply stupidity and the result of ignoring the facts in front of you in favor of Putinist propaganda, which you have swallowed hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and fisherman. You need to get the facts, instead of acting like a leftist NPC.

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        • Free Speech says:

          Short Man Bad! Ukraine good! We fight now! Dude, after all your sound and fury, go back and READ my posts above. “I don’t care.” I care about securing our Southern border to stop the infiltration, subversion and transformation by the authoritarian Left of our actual country that I actually live in. Without a country, what’s the point?

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          • Free Speech says:

            Let me give you stubborn globalists a little help with your game. The patriot warhawk propaganda only works if people have a nation worth fighting for. Even Stalin realized nobody was going to die for “Workers of the World Unite,” and gave ‘Mother Russia’ back to his troops to motivate them.

            So, go back and tell Tom Donohue and the Genie Energy gang to give us the Wall. Then, maybe we’ll listen to your overtures for foreign intervention (not).

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        • jpbag says:

          What business is it of ours? Protect America’s borders before telling the Russians how to run their country.

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        • smartyjones1 says:

          Hey, next thing you’re going to say is that Putin was saddened the Soviet empire dissolved.

          Oh, wait.

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      • Kent Clizbe says:

        Yes! Finally solid responses to those fakers posing as “conservatives” and screaming for War! War! War!
        Neocons–you’re recognized for what you are here and everywhere.
        Time to follow your leaders to HillaryLand.

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    • George 1 says:

      When considering the developments in the Ukraine, remember it was the Obama Administration and the CIA with some shady funding sources that caused the lawful government in the Ukraine to be brought down and a government that was hostile to Russia to be installed.

      What would our reaction be if Canada was overthrown and a government hostile to the U.S. was installed. What would our reaction be? So with the Ukraine going to be controlled by officials who hate Russia, Putin moved to secure the Black Sea Fleet. The Crimean annexation was supported by most of the residence in the Crimea.

      I am not saying Putin is a good guy, I am saying that in regard to the current situation between Russia and the U.S., in the Ukraine as well as Syria, there really are no good guys.

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    • Daniel says:

      It was the people behind the two war ships flying the Ukraine flag who did the provoking. Let’s not ignore the fact that this was obviously a stunt to get Russia to defend what it presently holds.

      There’s a lot of flashing lights and shiny things going on right now. Don’t look at them so closely or else you will miss what they are distracting us from.

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      • Hogwash! The Kerch straight has been recognized as an international straight since Ukrainian independence. Ukraine never impeded Russian transit and Russia is doing so with Ukraine because Putin is trying to provoke a war with Ukraine. The provocation is entirely on Putin and his minions, regardless of your ignorance of the situation.

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    • Kalbo says:

      Pure nonsense. “This means US naval capabilities will have to be strengthened in anticipation of Putin’s next provocation.”

      Not a fan of Russia. This is an issue between Russia and Ukraine.

      Stop looking for reasons create a war. Focus is America First.

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      • MALTHUS says:

        How is a strengthened US naval capability any detraction from America First? In the future, it may be neccessary to field an evacuation fleet if another Dunkirk should occur. Paranoid? Nope, just cautious.

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        • Kalbo says:

          Absolutely nothing wrong with a strong Navy. Being retired Navy, i am quite pro Navy.

          Suggest we maintain and modernize the ships, submarines and aircraft we have. They need it greatly.

          STOP buying those ignorant defenseless LCS (Littoral Combat Ships). IF those ships can get underway, and IF the sea state is small enough, LCS can’t fight in more than one warfare. Dumbass at best.

          Dunkirk? Planning to lose?

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    • Voltaire says:

      Dear warmonger\globalist,

      Crimea has been part of Russia for a LONG time. Its gone. Ukraine isn’t getting it back.
      Euromaiden was a Clinton \Obozo\Soros power play, THEY are responsible for the Russian response.
      Why is Russia the bad guy? They were promised by Bush senior that NATO wouldn’t come up to their border!

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    • snixy says:

      EU and NATO are always glad to send Americans off to die and spend American money on their chess games. We have a war at our southern border right now – that is more important than Russian territorial water disputes.

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Hey, what are you doing here? We’re giving up Alaska and Florida on Monday.
      The rest of the US will be surrendered by Friday.

      We don’t want to upset Uncle Joe’s biggest fan Putin now would we?
      Whole lot of Neville Chamberlains here; a whole lot.

      They know nothing of history, European history, the Cold War or how to instantly act like feckless surrender monkeys.

      They just like it.

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  2. jeans2nd says:

    25 Sept 2018 two U.S. Coast Guard cutters were transferred to Ukraine. Wondered if these were the same two ships, or if this had any influence over Russia’s action’s against Ukraine today? Or not.

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  3. Comrade Mope says:

    So borders actually DO matter. Thanks, Pooti poot.

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      No, we’re dispensing with international borders, national sovereignty and acts of war.
      We don’t want to upset Putin. He might get disappointed the Soviet Union fell or something.

      Why wait until Friday? President Trump should announce surrender of the US by Wednesday and get it over with.

      There’s enough idiots here to fill a small first grade classroom.

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  4. madeline says:

    Maybe POTUS should recuse. No action on Russia as long as the Mueller probe continues.

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  5. DT2020 says:

    Want our help? Pay up!

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  6. Big Jake says:

    Those are not fighters. They’re attack jets (Su-25s–think A-10 and you’ll get the idea).

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  7. AngelOne says:

    Globalists salivate at the thought of prying open by force Russia’s closed economy for the corporate vuktures, exploiting their strategic position & natural resources in the process.
    As I understand it, all the Ukrainian vessels had to do was notify in advance their plan to cross which they’ve done for at least the last two years, they intentionally failed to do so likely to provoke an international media response. Best not forget the professional US agitators Hillary & McCain placed in the Ukrainian government….

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Yes, that’s what countries usually do when part of their country is already occupied by a foreign country with nuclear weapons on their border.

      Those little tugboats, they just like throwing their weight around.
      It’s moron day in the treehouse.

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  8. RoostyScoot says:

    This will not lead to war. Putin is not so dumb as to provoke open conflict. He tests the limits of diplomacy, and does things when everyones backs are turned. Georgia in 2008 came amidst the economic crisis. Even if we wanted to do something, we were mired in Iraq and Afghanistan and “QE” and we couldn’t afford to do anything.

    The ‘Ukrainian crisis’ has been going on for a few years and Russia is seeing how people will react in the new Trumpian global dynamic. I expect sabre rattling, strong Rhetoric from Trump consistent with his ‘America First’ diplomacy, and ultimately, no change. Russia is sending a message to Ukraine that they control the Sea of Azov, they are not invading. Not yet, anyway.

    Ukraine has a recent history of agitating against Russia, so Ukraine is not exactly the automatic victim here. There is context that i’m sure the press are not reporting in their zeal for global nuclear devastation.

    Sit. Wait. Russia is not aggressively imperialistic. Ukraine is not automatically innocent. This will play out.

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    • east says:

      russia is always aggressive and imperialistic. Ukraine is by default innocent – they want their land back.

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      • Russians don’t like Nazis on their border, for good reason. It won’t end well for the Ukrainian Nazi regime if they attack Russia. LOL

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      • RoostyScoot says:

        All of Ukraine used to be Russian land. Heck, Ukraine would be far better off economically if they were reintegrated with Russia. As of now it’s a failed state that can’t defend it’s territory and the instability is a direct result of it’s government being overthrown by the Euromaidan movement. So if people wanting their land back automatically makes them innocent, do we agree that Russia is innocent?

        Your argument misses the forest for the trees.

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        • Ukraine’s economy has been steadily improving, while Russia’s has been steadily declining. Putin’s regime has made it dangerous for any non-Russian business to open up in Russia as he has been known to act on trumped up charges when the business starts thriving. Putin’s regime is not transparent and is more corrupt than Ukraine.

          Since Putin wants to act like a Stalinist revanchist, it’s time to cut his regime off from western capital flows. He is desperate to stay in the Swift system, yet he tries to provoke war with Ukraine.

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          • smartyjones1 says:

            Putin is fond of the Soviet model, Stalin and mobsters. He’s combined all three into a nice dictatorship in Russia.

            Hey, it’s almost Wednesday. We better get a move on and surrender. Russia won’t be satisfied with only Alaska and Florida.

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      • sejmon says:

        Glorious Ukraine..killed thousands of ppl on East Ukraine,destroyed thousand of businesses and worst government since May 1945 in Europe would like provoke WW3. Shame on ppl like -east.

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Yes, so far Ukraine has agitated Russia a great deal. In the eastern part of their country, more than 10,000 have been killed by Putin’s Little Green Men. They agitated the Russians into killing all those civilians.

      Because you know, that’s what people do in their country when invaded. They die to agitate Putin and his illegal occupation.

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  9. jmuniz1 says:

    We need to mind our own business.

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  10. jmuniz1 says:

    We need to mind our own business.

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  11. Texian says:

    “..and once again we can expect the professionally republican and professionally democrat to unite in common cause and demand we go to war….”

    Correct..

    Don’t fall for it Americans.. The country is in Russia’s backyard.. “Somebody” created “division” by planting weeds and now they are growing over the fence.. Forcing President Putin to do some trimming..

    As far as congress, when they have domestically caused “division” – they foment war – as a tool to “bring the nation together” while waving the American flag..

    No more.. We have no business in Ukraine..

    Anyway, we’re too busy trimming our own damn weeds planted by “somebody” that is crossing over from our own neighbor’s backyard..

    Clean up your own backyard first Congress – with a Border Wall..

    ..And then maybe we will listen to you about your lobbyists interests..

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  12. JenniferVerner says:

    Have we noticed how low oil prices are? Of course Putin is acting out. His economy is tanking.

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  13. railer says:

    This is a contrived incident, meant for public display and globalist political involvement. Best to let it hang in the air and allow Ukraine and Russia to work on it for now. When the euros whine for US involvement, and they will, then Trump can again discuss the NATO funding issues the euros had scorned earlier, and use this incident to bolster his previously-stated policy. When they come to him, Trump won’t gloat, but he should.

    Trump started off in a solid policy direction re NATO, and if you start right then subsequent events can help you achieve your goals, even if the foolish opposition triggered the events. You’re not trapped into action, as the manipulators always attempt to do. Good policy is good policy, always.

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    • I have seen TWO pukeon assasintions in Kyiv, one car blown up near Kreschatyk and the other an assassination by gun near the same area … I was less than 1/2 block away each time …. some of you kooks on here have no sense of reality about who the maniacal miodget from russia is.

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  14. G. Combs says:

    George 1 says:
    November 26, 2018 at 9:04 am

    “… it was the Obama Administration and the CIA with some shady funding sources that caused the lawful government in the Ukraine to be brought down and a government that was hostile to Russia to be installed….”

    Need to add that it was GEORGE SOROS who was involved.

    http://theduran.com/leaked-memo-proves-george-soros-ruled-ukraine-in-2014-minutes-from-breakfast-with-us-ambassador-geoffrey-pyatt/

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05ALMATY572_a.html

    This is Russian Times but it quotes extensively from the Soros-Clinton e-mails in the matter of Albanian unrest.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/355639-soros-clinton-albania-wikileaks/

    So not only no but HE!! no, let Soros fight his own darn wars!

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      The head of that “government” was a thug and he ran away in the middle of the night abandoning the country entirely.

      He even left his pet zoo behind he was in such a rush.

      When we fight here, it’s all great for freedom. When another country’s people rise up and fight and die in the streets for freedom; it’s a globalist plot. (rolls eyes). SMH.

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    • Free Speech says:

      You can quote easily spotted propaganda outlets with the word ‘Maidan’ in them all you want. Somebody else can come back and quote Russian outlets. This is not a zero sum game for us. I don’t care who started it. 3 boats is between you and the Russians, Chalupa.

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    • Voltaire says:

      Why were Ukrainian boats trying to go under a Russian bridge?

      Sounds like a joke, anyone got a punch line?

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      • abdiesus says:

        I know it would be too simplistic for this, but “to get to the other side?” I don’t want to start a war over this either, but is the water they were sailing through “Russian water”? I don’t think anybody is claiming it is “Russian water”. That being the case, Russia as simply throwing their weight around to see what they can get away with. My guess is they’ll get away with it this time. I know it won’t be popular to say this, but I don’t think we would give China a rhetorical pass if they did this sort of thing. We might not want to start a war with China over it either, but I don’t think we would give them a pass. I’m all for working with the Russians when it benefits us to do so, but they are not our friends, and they constantly try to cheat on sanctions to undermine us, so I don’t get all this Russia-love around here. They should be evaluated just the same as China or any other country that is not a friend. When they are helpful, great. When they are trying to undermine us, they should not be given a pass to bully their neighbors.

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        • G. Combs says:

          “…so I don’t get all this Russia-love around here…..”

          It is not Russia-love.

          It is NOT failing into another Globalist ” Let’s You and He fight” While we make money financing both sides trap.

          Do you REALLY want George Soros TELLING the USA we have to spill American Blood just because he is playing another of his sadistic games???

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        • Voltaire says:

          Yes, the whole of the black sea is their water, until we contest it with a comparable force. Which would be stupid, because the Russians only moved when the McCain’s of the world tried to install a NATO aligned puppet.
          Putin is irrelevant. His Bell curve is almost over. Don’t give him a boogie man to rally his people.

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  15. 4EDouglas says:

    Appears the euros are going run out of Americans(and Brits) to die for them…
    Trump won’t take the bait..

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  16. Joe says:

    Iran seizes an American Navy vessel. Holds the sailors hostage, forces a female sailor to wear a head covering and releases pictures and videos of the sailors with their hands in the air, kneeling & some even crying.

    Shltlibs were ok with that, but want war over a few lousy tugboats in a region that goes to war semi regularly?

    Putin knows what we’re capable of, see Syria where we slaughtered around 500 of them with zero casualties.

    I have one question: where are our interests in this? Rhetorical. We have none.

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  17. Sherri Young says:

    On air interview with Mark Svoboda re Ukraine/Russia situation today.

    https://www.pscp.tv/stranahan/1yNGaOyMgqQxj

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  18. 4EDouglas says:

    This is a Wiki about the Crimean war. This is a classic FUBAR with Charlie Foxtrot
    overtone. one thing-it was at least in part-Russia’s As usual the French are involved -except they got Britian to do the hard part-as usual-note Karl Marx’ remark in the body of the article…:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
    As much as they want-the Globalists think it will be differnt this time..
    It won’t.4/4+………………..

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  19. Sandra-VA says:

    The Independent is doing live updates of all the maneuvering going on – from Ukraine Parliament to UN.

    Of note, the Ukrainian President is being accused by his own countrymen of trying to prevent the upcoming elections by declaring Martial Law so he changed from 60 days to 30 days and it passed.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-live-latest-update-martial-law-black-sea-ships-navy-crisis-a8651736.html

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  20. Trump Train says:

    “The structure of the Ukrainian government is full of western intelligence assets; and once again we can expect the professionally republican and professionally democrat to unite in common cause and demand we go to war….”

    lmao exactly. Nothing to see here. Trying to distract Trump. BTW I paid 2.149 for gas this am……………..

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  21. zorg2 says:

    Crimea is fundamentally Russian. Russia gave it to Ukraine and then took it back. You could accuse Russia of ‘Indian giving’, but so what?

    No reason for us to go to war over this imo. Ukraine provoked them and the Russians have used this as an excuse to further their control.

    I only wish Israel had leveled Gaza when Hamas fired 500 rockets into that country. The West should Genghis Khan their Islamist asses into the grave they deserve!
    .

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  22. Bendix says:

    Two cents from the NE Liberal Elitist I often link to here:

    “Ukraine verges on martial law after a naval incident with Russian ships in the waters off Crimea. Say what? Martial Law? They might as well declare a Chinese Fire Drill. Details of the actual incident in the Straits of Kerch between the Black Sea and the lesser Sea of Azof remain murky besides the fact that two Ukrainian gunships and a tug disobeyed orders from Russian ships to stand down in Russian maritime waters and shots were fired. Who knew that Ukraine even had a navy, and how can they possibly pay for it? But now NATO is trying to get into the act, meaning the USA will get dragged into just the sort unnecessary and idiotic dispute that kicks off world wars. Note to the Golden Golem of Greatness (aka Mr. Trump): this dog-fight is none of our goddam business. Russia, meanwhile, asked the UN Security Council to convene over this, which is the correct response. What could go wrong?”

    http://kunstler.com/clusterf***-nation/murphys-law-to-the-rescue/

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  23. Free Speech says:

    The stench of bots pileth high upon ye comment section.

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  24. MALTHUS says:

    “NATO fully supports Ukraine’s sovereignty and its territorial integrity, including its navigational rights in its territorial waters,” Lungescu said. “We call on Russia to ensure unhindered access to Ukrainian ports in the Azov Sea, in accordance with international law.”

    NATO may not be prepared to take military action against Russian “hinderance” but there are many responses short of war that can be employed.

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    • Free Speech says:

      Like NATO paying up and Merkel doing her part instead of undermining us. And we’ll take that wall in a nice desert camo pattern. Chop, chop, GOPers.

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      That’s entirely too rational for some here. Why haven’t we surrendered Greenland and at least Rhode Island already?

      It’s WWIII now. There’s nothing but surrender that’ll do.

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  25. completelytrue says:

    Pooties paid trolls almost make me wish for more belches from the qtards.

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  26. P says:

    Special update from Syrian border, Nov. 26, 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A76b1gN-3OI
    Amir Tsarfati and Pastor J.D. Farag’s special update from the Golan Heights on the border with Syria. Also mentions about Ukrainian vessels-seized incident on 11/25/2018.

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  27. Allies Nikki Haley and Bob Menendez (Child Rapist, D-N.J.) are trying very had to start WWIII. I believe it is to be some kind of memorial for John McCain.

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  28. Kent Clizbe says:

    It’s clear that Russia is trying to instigate a war with the USA. Look how close they put their country to all of our military bases!

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  29. swimologist says:

    Nobody talks about how the US State Dept (Barbara Nuland) spent over $3 billion of your tax dollars in supporting the Maidan revolutionary movement that overthrew a democratically elected president in the Ukraine. No, just big bad Putin

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    • smartyjones1 says:

      Actually, go online anywhere and you will hear about Nuland ad nauseum and how a corrupt thug who fled as head of state in the dead of night after peaceful protests in the dead of winter scared him off.

      We cast off one Obama handoff and we cheer because we won our freedom from that baton pass to Hillary Clinton. If anyone else stands up with their bodies taking bullets in the streets, yeah, that’s globalism.

      (rolls eyes yet again)

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Victoria Nuland (Kagan) spent $5Billion for 23 years of mind-massaging the Ukies into Russophobes, and cultivated nazi-Bandera battalions to terrorize Russian-speaking and Russian citizens of Ukraine.

      She handed out cookies to the Maidan rioters.

      She, her husband, the whole Kagan clan in think tanks and State Dept. dream of ancient Khazaria returning. All it takes is the utter destruction of Russia.

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  30. Pew-Anon says:

    Crimea river.

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