Oh My, “Killers” – Wilbur Ross Smacks Canadian Airline Company Bombardier With 220% Countervailing Duty…

Whoo-doggies, Wilburine ain’t messing around with this dispute.

U.S. aerospace manufacture Boeing filed an unfair trade complaint against Canadian aerospace company Bombardier stating the Canadian government was subsidizing the manufacturing of 100- to 150-seat large civil aircraft.  Canada does subsidize their airline manufacturing, everyone knows this is true – even Canadians admit it.

Boeing was seeking an 80% import tariff on purchase contracts from U.S. airline carriers.  Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross looked into the trade dispute and agreed with the position of Boeing.  However, the Commerce Dept. did not stop at 80%. Wilburine estimated, then initiated, a whopping 219.63% countervailing duty assessment against Bombardier.

U.S. Commerce Department Announcement:

Today, U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross announced the affirmative preliminary determination in the countervailing duty (CVD) investigation of 100- to 150-seat large civil aircraft from Canada, finding that exporters of this merchandise received countervailable subsidies of 219.63 percent.

The Commerce Department will instruct U.S. Customs and Border Protection to collect cash deposits from importers of 100- to 150-seat large civil aircraft based on these preliminary rates.

“The U.S. values its relationships with Canada, but even our closest allies must play by the rules,” said Secretary Ross. “The subsidization of goods by foreign governments is something that the Trump Administration takes very seriously, and we will continue to evaluate and verify the accuracy of this preliminary determination.”

Although Canadian civil aircraft subject to this investigation have not yet been imported, an April 2016 press release announcing the sale of Canadian civil aircraft to a U.S. airline valued the order to be in excess of $5 billion.  (read more)

All of this is happening in the middle of Round #3 NAFTA negotiations being held in Canada right now.   Here’s the initial Canadian response:

(Via CBC News)  The U.S. Department of Commerce has clobbered aerospace giant Bombardier with a hefty 220 per cent countervailing duty on the sale of its CS100 commercial jets to a U.S. airline following a trade complaint from an American rival.

The department ruled that Bombardier benefited from improper government subsidies, a finding that deals a blow to the Montreal-based company’s chances in its ongoing dispute with U.S. rival Boeing.

Boeing, which had complained that Bombardier inked a deal with Delta Air Lines for up to 125 of the jets by offering the planes at below-market price, wasted no time Tuesday in declaring victory.

“Subsidies enabled Bombardier to dump its product into the U.S. market, harming aerospace workers in the United States and throughout Boeing’s global supply chain,” the company said in a statement.

The dispute is not about limiting innovation or competition, it continued, but rather “has everything to do with maintaining a level playing field and ensuring that aerospace companies abide by trade agreements.”

The financial penalties aren’t officially due until Bombardier delivers the first CS100 to Delta some time in the spring. (read much more)

[…]  Tuesday’s ruling was a stunning turn in the dispute, as Boeing had been asking for an 80 per cent duty.

The list price for the planes is around $6 billion. But the actual amount of money involved in the deal has not been made public, and Boeing has alleged that it is much less.

The case has major implications for Bombardier as it could not only endanger its deal with Delta but also hinder future sales in the U.S. and hurt Canadian aerospace companies that work with Bombardier.

Speaking before the ruling, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised to continue to stand with Bombardier and Canada’s aerospace industry. He also once again threatened to cut government ties with Boeing.

“Certainly we won’t deal with a company that’s attacking us and attacking thousands of Canadian jobs,” Trudeau said outside the House of Commons.

With one preliminary ruling out of the way, the Commerce Department will now turn its attention to whether Bombardier “dumped” its CS100s into the U.S. market by selling them below cost.

That finding is scheduled for Oct. 4, but could be delayed.

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222 Responses to Oh My, “Killers” – Wilbur Ross Smacks Canadian Airline Company Bombardier With 220% Countervailing Duty…

  1. Doug says:

    thats gonna hurt.. btw it says the first financial penalties arent due until bombardier delivers first plane to delta in the spring? exactly who pays the tarriff ? bombardier and wouldnt that make the plane a total loss to bombardier and in other words they will have to cancel delivery?

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      • Doug says:

        looks like final determination is on or before december 19th

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        • Forty-five year old, Justin Trudeau, is out of his depth. I learned many years ago that the old bulls were always thinking ahead of me. President Trump has an elite economic team around him, and middle America hopefully will continue to be the beneficiaries.

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      • Doug says:

        i cant figure out from the article but that “CBP will require cash deposits in amounts equal to the preliminary subsidy rate”… thats 219.63 percent of what? the sales price or?

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        • emet says:

          Duty is assessed (on commercial goods) at the transaction value, which is the amount paid or payable. Other things can be factored in (eg assists). If there is no transaction value (a swap for example), then it is the transaction value of the same or similar goods etc. An apprised value can be used in certain cases, and this is the way it used to be done.

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          • Sunshine says:

            Thank you. I have Bombardier stock but it lost so much value that I stopped caring a long time ago. I will have much more pleasure in seeing my government freak out.

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            • Thecleaner says:

              I had a few sheckles invested in the bomber several years ago….bought it after it tanked to about 3 bucks, and dumped it at about 5…dont know what its doing now but it cant be good.
              This is head and shoulders the worst managed company in the country…to much to bore everybody with.
              Ive got no problem with this at all, however its curious because the bomber doesnt really compete with boeing or airbus in the airline space…the main competition is Embraer out of Brazil, who also get massive government subsidy allowing them to undercut Bombardier in this space as well as the business jet space. Hopefully Wilbur levels the playibg field.
              I told some leftist Trump hating colleagues of mine that Trump hates Justin and wants him gone, so he will go after Quebec, BC, and Ontario industries to accomplish it. The BC lumber is already under attack, now its Transportation in Quebec and Ontario, and I expect dairy and financial services next.
              Those 3 Canadian provinces are beyond leftists..i know, i live in Ontario, and Trump needs them to turn on Justin…seems to be going as planned.

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              • Thecleaner says:

                By the way, what kind of friggen response was that from Justin…,”oh yeah, well I wont fly on any of your planes any more”….im too embarrased to lift my head and type any more…what an idiot

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              • brh82 says:

                Saying Trump hates Trudeau feeds the Lefts’ narrative that Trump is racist, unhinged and all those other negative things. Better to say Trump hates other governments taking advantage of the USA. “It’s just business, not personal”.

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          • Doug says:

            so that kind of duty is a deal killer in other words?

            Liked by 5 people

        • Alison says:

          Justin probably asked those questions, too, since no similar tariff was imposed pre-Trump!

          Liked by 4 people

          • Bert Darrell says:

            In the pre-Trump era bribes persuaded American overseers to look the other way.
            That’s why China got away with sending machinery parts to Mexico and Canada to be barely assembled there and then exported to the USA with “Made in Mexico” and “Made in Canada” labels, respectively. This has been going on since the Clinton presidency days.

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      • Too Real says:

        HAHAHAHA…

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    • missmarple2 says:

      Yep. That’s how this works.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Blacksmith8 says:

      you ever get a wiff of something marked by a wolverine?
      That stench does not fade.
      After it’s marked, no animal on God’s earth will touch it.
      That’s the point.

      Liked by 19 people

    • JIM says:

      This is what MAGA looks like.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Maquis says:

      Lots of bargaining to be done before February if Canada hopes to sell any of those jets here. Ever.

      Liked by 9 people

    • The Boss says:

      Wilbur’s peeps don’t waste time. Look at the timeline. Apparently there are few if any slugs in DOC to gum up the works. Or, Wilbur got them the hell out and kept their coats!

      Liked by 23 people

    • Government subsidies have been going on for decades. I am amazed that we now actually have someone crying foul & imposing penalties. We’ve been such chumps here in the USA! We’ve stood back allowed our friendly trading partners to cheat with impunity. Well, no more! There’s a new sheriff in town!

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      • JC says:

        I am beside myself with admiration and appreciation for every member of this administration, and I love Secretary Ross.

        We’ve cringed and mourned past administrations’ ineptness and/or crimes against America and suddenly, with the election of President Trump, not only has that ceased, but now we see what true ability, patriotism and integrity actually look like. Next: the impact of thousands of “jobs done right”. This is thrilling. Thanks be to God.

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        • carrierh says:

          JC, I love Ross’s smirky smart smile because he is so very astute and knows economics like no one else. The 3 together are awesome in what they have seen and what they are doing to stop our being raped economically by other countries. Gotta love Trump’s appointees!

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          • JC says:

            Yes – love that smirk, carrierh; it’s like he knows the secrets of the world, he enjoys using them, and he just can’t help that shadow of a grin that bubbles up. Of course, he plants one on beautiful First Lady Melania every chance he gets, and that would make any guy smile.

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            • maiingankwe says:

              I have to say, of all of our President’s cabinet members and everyone else in the spotlight working hard for our President and country, I like Secretary Wilbur Ross the very best. I really do.

              If I ever won the pleasure of being able to choose any one of them for a long sit-down lunch, I would choose our Wilbur. His vast amount of knowledge in commerce combined with so many other things and his experiences would make that very long luncheon one of my most treasured and memorable times of my life.

              I love listening to Secretary Ross, I could listen to him all day as a matter of fact. It’s not only his brilliance, it’s the way he speaks to people. He treats them equally and with respect. It doesn’t seem to matter to him if you’re one of his employees dressed in a suit and tie or one who works in overalls on his factory floor. He listens and shows each the respect they deserve as a human being. Plus, he’s got that grandfather thingy pat down. I like that too.

              If there ever was a contest for a sit-down with the choice of any cabinet member, and if I did win, I would do my best to get our Secretary Ross to sit down with our Sundance too. Imagine those two brilliant minds together. Heck, I might even give Sundance the winning ticket, so we would all win at our Tree House. Hey, it’s Tuesday, I can dream, and I like to dream big, and yes, some of our dreams do come true. One just never knows, especially if your glass is always half full rather than half empty.

              Beautiful dreams good Treepers!
              Ma’iingankwe

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        • Canned Peaches says:

          I think Wilbur Ross is Trump’s absolute best appointment. This guy came out with teeth bared on Day 1 & hasn’t let up.

          Liked by 7 people

      • Boeing’s gotta love this!

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      • G. Combs says:

        What an incredible team President Trump has put together.

        Can you imagine how well this country would function if the RINOs got off their rear-ends and actually confirmed the rest of President Trump’s appointments?

        The Commie/Fabian Socialist Elite must be peeing their pants! The 2018 primaries are going to be really vicious! 😁

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      • Matt Musson says:

        Remember that US Trade Policy has not been about US Trade since 1945. It has been a great big bribe to get other countries to join our side against the USSR. But, we were trading away American Jobs to get that.

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    • Bob Thoms says:

      Wow. Look at that timeline. The speed at which Wilbur Wolverine reacted was lightning fast. Has Washington ever moved so fast before?

      Thank you P Trump for ALL your appointments. The best Presidential leadership team in my lifetime.

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  2. thesavvyinvester says:

    Rutt Roh, Pratt & Whitney Geared Turbofan Engine equipped. Now is it made in the States or… This gets more complicated.

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  3. HonorDefendBuckeye says:

    Oh how sweet!!!!!!!!!!!

    Liked by 4 people

  4. Pam says:

    Wilbnurine ain’t playing around is he? 😉

    That pic of Trudeau’s socks gets me every time! LOL

    Liked by 16 people

  5. wheatietoo says:

    Excellent! Go Wilburine!

    I hope they levy a duty on all of Bombardier’s products.
    Bombardier makes a smaller, corporate jet, for example…and also snow machines, etc.

    It’s not fair for our domestic manufacturers to have to compete with foreign govt-subsidized companies.

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    • Doug says:

      nope it isnt.. no way for us to compete against an actual government.

      Liked by 7 people

    • ECM says:

      Agreed, but this means we’ll basically have to slap it on *everybody on the planet*–South Korea, in particular (along w/ Europe and Airbus) are notorious for this.

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      • Doug says:

        fine by me

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        • decisiontime16 says:

          It appears we rarely if ever enforced trade agreements and always got the short end of the stick. Thank you, Wilbur Ross! And, thank you, President Trump.

          What a relief to have people with brains and integrity for the American people at long last.

          “The dispute is not about limiting innovation or competition, it continued, but rather “has everything to do with maintaining a level playing field and ensuring that aerospace companies abide by trade agreements.”

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          • Doug says:

            btw enforcing trade infractions on a few companies and countries will have a chilling effect against all the cheaters.. think of it like random drug testing.. we probably cant get everyone but we can make it not worth the risk to do so

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          • NewNonna!!! says:

            THIS:
            ‘What a relief to have people with brains and integrity for the American people at long last.’

            Amen and amen!! Thank You, God! Thank You, Jesus!

            God bless our YUGE, handsome, manly man, brainiac, comedic, stern, honest, patriotic, caring American President. I love you more and more every day. Thank you for loving America, like so many Deplorables, and for putting your life on hold to make America great again! I know you’re having a BLAST doing so, and that makes me happy for you.

            The paycheck that came with the job wasn’t what you’re doing this for; the success you’ll bring to your agenda for America and it’s people is no doubt what you’ll treasure forever.

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        • Nope2GOPe says:

          Fine for them too! 😉

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      • keeler says:

        Or, you know, the rest of the world might figure out President Trump is making an example out of Bombardier. It may seem like a lot, but a $13B fine is really chump change when it comes to trade. Foreign businesses aren’t going to want to risk 220% duties on their US exports.

        The possible $13B pales in comparison to the leverage gained by notifying everyone that the US is enforcing the rules. Expect this leverage to be used in upcoming trade negotiations.

        Liked by 14 people

      • Kathleen Rady says:

        Maybe one time will be enough for the rest of the world.

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    • RJ says:

      I believe they also make ground transportation vehicles such as people movers and monorails, etc.

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    • Your Tour Guide says:

      Don’t know if I totally agree with that, wheatitoo.
      And here’s the reason why. The boating industry.
      Bombardier makes Sea Doo jet skis. Big sellers.
      Price point similar to Yamaha, Honda. Bombardier
      makes Evinrude outboards. Bought the outboard
      brand after Outboard Marine Corporation (Evinrude
      and Johnson outboard, numerous boat manufacturers)
      went belly up.

      I agree with the jet dumping fines. Fining all
      Bombardier products, not so much. Many of the
      dealers of their marine and winter gear products
      are mom and pop dealerships. We have enough
      problems keeping non- chain retail open. Don’t put
      the little guys out of business due to large corporate
      collusion.

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      • Old Codger says:

        Okay, now ask yourself this about your own point: WHY did Outboard Marine go belly-up?

        Wouldn’t have anything to do with foreign subsidized manufacturing, would it?

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        • Your Tour Guide says:

          Old Codger: foreign manufacturing might have been some of the
          equation with OMC’s problems. Other factors were also involved.
          They over leveraged themselves by buying out numerous boat
          companies to compete with Brunswick Corporation (Mercury).

          Some of their product was rushed to market before the
          engineering was perfected. It’s easy to sell a well maintained
          boat with a Mercruiser sterndrive engine. If the same boat
          has an OMC sterndrive there’s a lot of customers that won’t
          touch it. Continual problems.

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        • WVPatriot says:

          Excellent point, Old Codger.

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        • Sumdumchief says:

          They picked a bad business plan at the birth of the four stroke outboard era, they failed. Btw, I own a 1991 Johnson 120 that I could start in a few moments.

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    • Thecleaner says:

      Bombardier sold their recreational division (snowmobiles atvs etc) years ago. It was their only profitable division, and ironically, they sokd it to finance r&d in the aviation division…you cant teach this kinda stupid….but the tightly held class A shareholders knew the taxpayer would always bail them out…time to pay the piper

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    • Orygun says:

      The Feds used to buy their motorcycles. I remember the first time I saw one I had never even heard of one and was wondering why our government was buying them. That was back in the 80’s.
      I keep thinking that McCarthy was right about the Marxists taking control. History has proven him right.

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  6. Doug says:

    Sundance or anyone else here.. what country do you think has actually been more abusive of NAFTA.. Mexico or Canada? I used to reflexively say Mexico but now Im not so sure!

    Liked by 2 people

  7. justme928 says:

    I’m sorry, but all this winning is adding to my wrinkles. I keep laugh and you know, smile line are EVERYWHERE!!!

    Liked by 16 people

  8. Gaius Gracchus says:

    Killers, real killers…..Trump told the absolute truth….. and a huge warning shot to the rest of the world! America is easy meat no more!

    Liked by 16 people

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    • 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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      Taken advantage of no more
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      Liked by 15 people

      • Fe says:

        Did you make this up yourself sweet GG? Loved it! 😘👍❤️🇺🇸

        Liked by 3 people

        • Yes, M’am…I dont like it when countries hurt my brother and sister Patriots…so it came from the heart…. houlda been an ol time country music writer, I know the hokey lines before their sung😎🤣😂

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          Liked by 6 people

          • thluckyone says:

            Precious, PRECIOUS, American Georgia Grace!! Ma’am, I was just gonna lurk and read and give thanks but THAT wonderful treatment of our National Anthem is SO delicious I just had to log-on and say THANK YOU! Hat’s OFF to you, lady! PLEASE write that one down or record it somewhere! That’s a Treeper Treasure, for sure! I would love for us all to sing that together sometime!

            THANKS, Again! MAGA with your bad self!

            Liked by 5 people

          • joshua says:

            China, Mexico, and Canada will “take a knee” on that version of the Anthem….lol

            Liked by 1 person

  10. Maquis says:

    The planes already deliveted will necome very expensive indeed.

    The others? Delta will demand the return of their deposit as soon as their panic-stricken lawyers find a loophole.

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    • litlbit2 says:

      Did I miss….swamp payments take a hit a big hit.

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    • Doug says:

      thats what i was asking is what does this do to a contract? it would seem to me to void the contract… since usually there are force majeur and currency fluctuation stipulations in contacts but basically the manufactured aircraft will either still be sold to delta at a loss or the contract canceled and bombardier will have to dump them somewhere else? curious to see how this plays out because this situation will probably repeat itself across industries.. btw didnt the domestic solar energy industry just win a ruling against chinese dumping?

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      • Janie M. says:

        Doug – from Fox Business:
        U.S. Solar-Panel Industry Wins Government Commission Backing for Import Protection – 3rd Update
        By Jacob M. Schlesinger and Erin Ailworth Published September 22, 2017

        [snip]
        WASHINGTON – U.S. solar-panel makers Friday won backing from a government commission in their bid for protection from imports, handing the Trump administration fresh ammunition in its quest to ramp up trade enforcement polices against foreign competition.

        The International Trade Commission voted 4-0 to approve a request from the domestic solar-panel industry seeking relief under a little-used trade law that allows American companies to win government protection if they can show they suffered “serious injury” from a surge in imports.

        The ITC members will next consider what specific policies they believe should be implemented. That recommendation will be sent in November to the White House, which would then be required to make a decision by early next year on whether to impose import limits.

        The Trump administration hasn’t commented on the solar-panel case. But officials have said they would consider invoking the little-used “safeguard” law more frequently in a bid to take a more aggressive stance on trade enforcement.

        The solar industry had requested protection under the long-dormant “Section 201” of the 1974 trade law. Friday’s vote was the first time the ITC had weighed such a petition since 2001. In that case, officials approved a request for relief from the steel industry, and the George W. Bush administration imposed tariffs the following year. Those were eventually removed after the World Trade Organization concluded the protections violated global trading rules.

        After a 16-year hiatus, the law is now gaining new attention as President Donald Trump has vowed to dust off old trade laws to consider curbing imports.

        The ITC is scheduled to vote on another Section 201 petition from washing-machine makers on Oct. 5.

        http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/09/22/u-s-solar-panel-industry-wins-government-commission-backing-for-import-protection.html

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        • Doug says:

          thanks… seems like the wins are starting to come

          Liked by 3 people

        • backwoodsgirl123 says:

          The solar panel companies are going to need all of the wins they can get after the hurricane in FL.

          Lady called in on talk radio….she said she had a solar panel and it was showing on her meter that electricity was going TO the power company, but she still didn’t have power for her home. I think that was like the 3rd day after the hurricane. And she was angry over it.

          Hubby wanted to get on the bandwagon and I told him, that as long as those credits require that you tie into the grid…NO WAY!

          So, now he’s talking about maybe just doing a backup thingy.

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        • JC says:

          Thanks for the info, Janie. “After a 16-year hiatus… dust off old trade laws…” Appalling how Americans have been so blithely sold down the river.

          There will be a learning curve with this, but we’re waking up, and Secretary Ross is a fine, fine teacher. Floodgates have been opened, and we will reap huge rewards. Thank you, President Trump, Secretary Ross and the other outstanding members of your MAGA builders.

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          • Janie M. says:

            JC, I was surprised about the 16-year figure cited but let’s face it, congressional swamp rats were in all probability benefiting in maintaining the status quo. Fortunately for us, PDJT has been observing trade inequities for decades and fully comprehended the ramifications for doing so. Now that he is on the “inside,” he can remedy the situation.

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  11. Maquis says:

    Looks like the in-work Air Force Ones Trump forced price adjustment just got more than compensated.

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  12. leebelieu says:

    So the US government is putting US interests first and enforcing free if fair trade? Law and Order? Basic common sense? That’s my President, MAGA!

    Liked by 9 people

  13. ECM says:

    One is forced to ask and/or wonder: was Wilburine making an example of Bombardier? Considering Boeing asked for a ‘mere’ 80%, and he went ahead and nearly tripled it? Is it possible this was as much theater for other powers as aimed solely at Canada? After all, if he’s willing to slam our number one trading partner w/ a duty like this…

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  14. Publius Covfefe says:

    Pajama boy Trudeau says he stands behind Bombardier. Perhaps he should assume the position and get on his knees, like the NFL traitors and lick some boot.

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  15. Maquis says:

    Anyone remember when the Federal Government was funded by such tarriffs?

    Me neither.

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  16. POP says:

    If Wilbur could just wack a 200% internal tariff on the F35 we might be rid of this operationally obsolete money pit.

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    • Doug says:

      hahah so true

      Liked by 1 person

      • POP says:

        I used to laugh, now I’m beyond worried about what happens with an F35 vs Su 27 / 35 with IRST, both detect each other at 60 nm, 50% air to air missiles miss, when they merge and fight…..F35 dead. That’s after the F35s massive maintenance vs flight hours ratio kills its availability in real world combat. The USAF actually, seriously, thinks it can spend 10 hours maintaining this philosophically mistaken aircraft for every hour flown in combat conditions.
        There is a solution.

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        • ReloaderBLK says:

          You don’t know what you’re talking about. Criticisms of the F-35 originate from our enemies who do not want to face it. Show some evidence of your claims. The Marines call the F-35 “Clever Girl” from that scene in Jurassic Park. They believe it is the most deadly attack aircraft ever built. Keep in mind it is not intended for Air Dominance, like the F-22. Did you know that an F-35 can direct missile fire from Aegis cruisers? The Navy’s Standard Missile does not miss. So their goes your precious Rooksy SUCK-35.

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          • POP says:

            “They believe it is the most deadly attack aircraft ever built. Keep in mind it is not intended for Air Dominance, like the F-22”.
            Correct It’s only a ground attack aircraft but is advertised as multi role for the USN, so why the waste of time high maintenance stealth and talk about engaging at distance?
            What fighter do you propose the USN now uses for air combat fleet protection once the F35 replaces the F18? A ground attack aircraft?
            Good thinking Sherlock.
            If the USAF wants a ground attack aircraft a pimped A-10 is a much better platform.
            You do understand the Marines are stuck with the F35 and any General who reveals it has a very limited role will be “retired”?
            There are any number of searches that will demolish the F35. This one might help your lack of knowledge about this aircraft.
            http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/22/american-gripen-the-solution-to-the-f-35-nightmare/

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            • So a fighter aircraft which combines the agility of the F-16 (energy) with the agility of the F/A-18 (High AoA, turning) is only capable of ground attack? The F-35 is a great dogfighter which is only just slightly less capable than an F-22.

              IRST won’t do much against an F-35, a smart F-35 pilot would stay well-clear of the enemy’s IRST range. Also, if you can spot the F-35 with your IRST system, chances are the F-35 can see you with its EODAS system. The Gripen is an awful jet, it is too expensive to be a cheap multirole fighter, and it lacks the capability to match its higher-end counterparts. It’s a bit too small for its own good and suffers in the payload/range department too much. It is and has always been very late to the party getting many capabilities 10-20 years after competitors.

              I think you should stop reading clickbait and pop science articles when it comes to the F-35. These articles breed mindless pessimism. In fact, here is this forum post 16 years ago about people thinking the Super Hornet would be a failure: http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1008443 . Fast forward to 2017 and now everyone loves the Super Hornet. People always bash new planes but over time the pessimists are almost always proven wrong.

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  17. 6x47 says:

    That’s gonna leave a mark!

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  18. MrE says:

    Wilbur The Vampire Slayer!!

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  19. Michael says:

    Would not be surprised to see this negotiated down.
    In return for what is way above my pay grade..

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    • Doug says:

      im not sure what benefit there could be plus remember they havent even ruled on the dumping part of it… the multiplier effect for trade as a whole with sticking with these harsh penalties is very much the goal id think

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  20. Sedanka says:

    We better be careful here – Prime Minister Ballerina might scold America for not playing nice.

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  21. Troublemaker10 says:

    Ouch and…OUCH. Don’t mess with the Wilburine.

    Liked by 4 people

  22. AmSa/Mx says:

    I think Mr.Wilbur Ross is soooooo cute. I love this guy……

    President Trump Is The Man…..

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  23. Maquis says:

    Jubuliant Boeing Lawyer: We got 3.
    Boeing CEO: 3? 3%? You’re happy over 3%?
    Lawyer: No, 3-TIMES our asking figure of 80%.
    CEO: ‘THUD!’ (hits floor)

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  24. Wilburine… Not tired of winning!

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  25. So weird to see my name splashed all over. Just sayin’. Glad I’m not a relative.

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  26. MfM says:

    219.63%… not 220%, I love it. That way it’s clear that it is derived from something not just an estimate.

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  27. Thank you SUNDANCE for the change of topics!

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  28. Bendix says:

    I’m especially pleased about this as I’ve been getting really ticked off at a number of smug Canadians lately.
    Take that, Canada.

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  29. xyzlatin says:

    From the same article; “Quebec Finance Minister Carlos Leitao, whose government invested $1 billion US for a 49.5 per cent stake in the CSeries commercial jet program last year, said he was confident Bombardier would beat Boeing.” In other words, the Quebec Govt blatantly subsidized the company to the tune of $1 billion.

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  30. fleporeblog says:

    Canada 🇨🇦 thought they would be safe going into the NAFTA renegotiations because our President’s beef was with Mexico 🇲🇽. Boy were they ever wrong. Our Wilburine killed their soft wood lumber industry in the Spring and now their airline industry today.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/26/citing-new-soft-wood-import-tariff-maine-lumber-mill-to-add-jobs-and-second-shift/

    From the article linked above:

    Two days ago Commerce Secretary Wilbur “Wilburine” Ross announced a 20% tariff, countervailing duties, on imported Canadian soft wood lumber. Today, Pleasant River Lumber Co. in Jackman Maine announces their wood mills will now expand as a direct result of the beneficial impacts of even trade practices.

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    • backwoodsgirl123 says:

      Thank you!

      I missed that one! That was when I was still on BB.

      Liked by 1 person

    • TeaForAll says:

      Fle
      Thanks. This is the news that really needs to get out to the American People. Stop reporting all this fake news. WE need to do something. President Trump and his Cabinet are working hard and making great changes ,, but not one word in the press

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      • fleporeblog says:

        Regrettably you will never get the press to report any positive news. However, Alabama last night proved Americans have awakened.

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        • Your Tour Guide says:

          fle: Down the line how many persons do you think will start
          posting to social media after their lives are put back together?

          We have persons in Texas, Florida, Georgia, Puerto Rico,
          South Carolina that have all been through the floods,
          hurricanes, power losses. We have business owners that
          have been through the same.

          The dust hasn’t settled yet, but it will for the majority of those
          involved. Many of these individuals have been through other
          hurricanes, floods, wind storms. Most of which didn’t involve
          near the numbers of people as what we’ve just seen.

          Anyway, a lot of these persons have seen more organized,
          targeted rapid response to handle the situation. From what
          Sundance and others have said this has happened much
          faster in many instances then in the past. Although when
          you are in the midst of it it doesn’t seem like any help will
          come. But help has come and will continue to come. And
          when most things are operating better then they were,
          people will start talking about it.

          About how the fuel was brought to Florida, the ships arrived
          in Peurto Rico to help get supplies and the power back on.
          Anyway, tens of millions of individuals were in the paths of
          hurricanes and flooding. The government responded quicker
          and more efficiently by far then if Bush, Obama, or name
          anyone else had been in charge. People will remember,
          people will talk. People will be grateful. Many of these same
          people voted for Hillary last time, but they are probably
          reconsidering their decision now. Trump came through in the
          clutch. All you have to do to win people over is show that
          you are working for THEM. That’s why Rudy was so wildly
          popular in New York. He improved their quality of life. Trump,
          FEMA, the military and everyone else involved in currently
          doing the same after all the hurricanes. We might witness
          some awesome word of mouth.

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  31. Wilbur just unleashed a DOC MOAB.

    On a NAFTA “Partner-Ally”.

    Who thinks China noticed?

    Sleep tight you CoC Globalists.
    • And your Lobbyists.
    • And our Pay-to-Play SwampRats.

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  32. Canada and Mexico are gonna LOVE the improved enforcement mechanisms in a renegotiated NAFTA.

    Wait.

    How in the hell will the Canadians be able to politically continue to collaborate with America to make it tougher for them to cheat us?

    Because their globalist donors will want to contribute more for Canada’s yoeman work on toughening up NAFTA?

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  33. A2 says:

    Mr Wilbur had a great meeting in Beijing. Laid down the law on trade imbalances, IP theft, closed markets and in an interview called the WTO a relic of the past whilst upending our neighbor in the North over subsidies. He will lead a trade delegation to China in November. Never broke a sweat, but broke a wide smile.

    By contrast, the Chinese made a sculpture of Trudeau holding two Panda cubs……..out of butter.

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  34. zaq123 says:

    I was told on a long ago thread, that Ross is/was one of the guys that buys up a company, lays off a bunch of folks, and then walks away with his money. I don’t know about that. In fact, I never researched it. I realize that the things coming out of the Commerce Dept aren’t exactly the most newsworthy and exciting things, considering what is going on today or any other day. But……

    Regardless of what Ross was/is, prior to taking over the Commerce Dept, he’s an absolute savage in his current position. He just looks like that quiet, unassuming guy that lets you run your mouth the whole time and with two sentences, shuts you up-wins-drops the mic-and walks out of the room.

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    • POP says:

      Understand that creative destruction is how market capitalism works. Failed businesses fail for many reasons. The Japanese won’t recognise that fact with financial institutions which is why they are in a 30 year recession. A corporate takeover of a failed business will crank up the cash flow and sell it to a long term owner to reestablish it as a business with a future.
      PTrump has put the word “national” in front of market capitalism.

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    • G. Combs says:

      “…Ross is/was one of the guys that buys up a company, lays off a bunch of folks, and then walks away with his money….”

      I am sure he did. What they left out is Wilbur took over a failing business, fired the deadwood useless people, installed bright management people, got the company back on it’s feet, back in the black and profitable and sold it at a profit as a going concern. AND SAVED A LOT OF ordinary people’s jobs.

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    • joshua says:

      that was Bain Capital….Mormon business tactics…

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  35. daizeez says:

    How much of this goes on and gets “overlooked” as part of the globalist agenda and how many swamp dwellers are invested in these foreign companies? I see how expensive the America First agenda is going to be for those who thought Hillary was a shoe-in. Someone mentioned they can’t wait until they get to the steel imports…should be very interesting.

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  36. ““Certainly we won’t deal with a company that’s attacking us and attacking thousands of Canadian jobs,” Trudeau said outside the House of Commons.”

    That’s not attacking you or Canadian jobs! That’s called leveling the playing field and it’s about time!

    Liked by 1 person

    • Cuppa Covfefe says:

      Yep. Just like with everything else, the SJW snowflakes see parity or equality as an attack on them. They still think they are “more equal” than others, I suppose…

      Same as with their “tolerance”. They tolerate nothing except their own position/viewpoint…

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      • dekester says:

        C. Covfefe,

        Many of us Canadians are taking great delight in the a**whipping our Trudeau is getting. Let us not forget that Soros has been in Canada greasing Trudeaus paws since before PDJTs election.

        He is a loathsome character, he truly is.

        Unfortunately the MSM love him, they really do.

        However. At the end of the day it is always about money with these guys. Their schemes need to be bankrupted. PDJT and his team have been cutting off the money supply since day one.

        Why else would HRC be at Costco selling books.

        This Canadian enjoys wiping the smugness off fellow Canadians faces. Truth is, the majority have just been brainwashed, by an extremely organized and effective propaganda machine. Both in schools and the media.

        God bless PDJT

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        • Orygun says:

          “Truth is, the majority have just been brainwashed, by an extremely organized and effective propaganda machine” Truer words were never spoken. The result of over 50 years of indoctrination through our “educators”.

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  37. bitterlyclinging says:

    Bombardier has a site in Wichita, KS, BTW.

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  38. andyocoregon says:

    Now they can go after Airbus as the EU has been subsidizing that company for years.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37444780

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  39. Pentheus says:

    Bombardier might just have to pack things up and move manufacturing out of the country. Might be the only sensible thing to do.

    Time to move things south… INTO THE USA!!!

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  40. Boeing doesn’t make a regional jet so I don’t quite understand the issue.

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    • lurker99 says:

      Think about all the people who were laid off that previously made these products in the USA, along with all the supporting industries that the laid off person used to frequent with their paycheck………………………………………………..

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  41. lurker99 says:

    Has the “News” reported on this ?
    Been watching FBN this AM, (Away for some short periods) — seems to be just shiny stuff being mentioned over and over again…………………..

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  42. flawesttexas says:

    Wilburine is the best Trump Cabinet member IMO

    Trump and Wilburine making Pretty Boy Justin cry to daddy Keith Richards 😅

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  43. dobbsfan says:

    A friend texted me today talking about Wilburine! Said he was a marksman with a rifle.

    I don’t know if that’s true……but I’d hate to be a feller in his crosshairs.

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