Sunday Talks: HR McMaster -vs- Chuck Todd

National Security Adviser HR McMaster appears on NBC ‘Meet the Press’ with Chuck Todd to discuss issues surrounding North Korea.   However, Todd predictably uses the first half of the interview to discuss the “Charlottesville Trump-is-racist narrative”, and then, rather sneakily, shifts the discussion into the “alt-right” -vs- McMaster angle.

Chuck Todd uses the “Bannon-wing talking points” and “allies within the White House” to draw out a division within the administration.  It’s obvious the MSM are ‘all-in’ on the strategy to highlight the division.  The second half of the interview finally focuses on North Korea.

At 08:06 the China as an economic enabler to DPRK comes in. Watch how HR McMaster responds on the economics of the North Korean issue.

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118 Responses to Sunday Talks: HR McMaster -vs- Chuck Todd

  1. Piper77 says:

    Why would anyone torture themselves and watch Chuck Todd?

    Liked by 18 people

    • LBB says:

      I was in the mood for self torture today. Chuckie ran down his list of why didn’t DJT condemn white nationalists specifically, what about Gorka, Bannon. Wanted McMaster to clarify if we are going to war because DJT was vague. I think McMaster did OK and sounded confident about where things are with China & NK.
      I haven’t picked a side on the whole McMaster/Bannon controversy because I believe DJT will work it out one way or another (plus not enough real facts if there ever was a controversy). McMaster sounded like a committed soldier on this piece.

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    • eagledriver50 says:

      Why would anyone turn the TV on to this channel?

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      • Kep says:

        “Some kind of instinct, a memory of what they used to do, this was an important place in their lives” – Flyboy in Dawn of the dead.

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      • Because the “alphabets” (NBC/CBS/ABC) are still the only place on TV to get local news stories, weather and sports.

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        • And all the while even though they do not at all carry actual news stories other than in the literal sense of the word stories. That’s all they are 99% of the time.

          Also, how anyone can’t understand that we live in a time of grave propaganda should watch schmuck todd in his most ignorantly “serious” face ask “why didn’t President Trump condemn these acts of white supremacist terrorism???” (paraphrased, not going back to be exact) and ask themselves when or if they EVER heard one of these talking head traitors ask why a moslem or black murder wasn’t condemned as islamic or black supremacist terrorism by bath house bari or anyone for that matter.

          It isn’t going to change on its own either. Just sayin’…

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      • freddiel says:

        I do not watch much TV news at all these days, but I do think that it is important that we not allow ourselves to live in an echo chamber. How can we develop rational views if we do not know what the other side is thinking?

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    • Founding Fathers Fan says:

      Democrats like him.

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    • mireilleg says:

      I usually don’t watch (no tv) but I watch this clip. What a slimy piece of mucus Todd is.

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    • shallbe4 says:

      Piper I couldn’t agree more. The last words in The Chuck Todd Interview really got to me. Perhaps we should allow North Korea to become a Nuclear Power? Why would we allow a nation who threatens Daily to wipe out the USA to become a Nuclear Power?

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    • carrierh says:

      And now the fake news has removed the video. Hmmm. Irrelevance finally hitting home? YEA!

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  2. allhail2 says:

    What kind of ratings are these moronic shows getting? I know of no one who watches them.
    Sponge Bob could do a better interviews, and get better ratings.

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    • I think you would be QUITE surprised to discover how many people actually DO watch these moronic shows. In fact, I’m willing to bet that a rather large percentage (20 – 30%) of people who say they “don’t watch” actually do watch, claiming it’s for “entertainment” purposes.

      However, the real reason usually comes down to them having FEAR put into their minds. And if there are any ‘fence sitters” and/or those who can’t think for themselves; turning BACK to what was once familiar in order to “fit in”, helps take the FEAR away and a level of “acceptance’ settles in.

      I know LOTS of people who watch these shows out of habit, claiming they don’t pay “one bit of attention to it”, yet repeat nearly word-for-word, all the garbage and false statements at the next gossip/arm-chair politician session held at the local coffee shop.

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    • graphiclucidity says:

      The Sunday interview shows get around 3 million viewers each.

      http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/sunday-show-ratings-august-6/337543

      A lot of those viewers are watching all of the shows – political junkies mostly.
      I’d imagine a great percentage of the audience is in D.C. and NYC.

      So out of a total population of 323 million, 3 million is not much at all.

      These shows get more play out of clips on YouTube, etc, and the rehashing on Mondays across the media spectrum of what’s been said, especially if some important news breaks on one of them.

      All in all, Sunday talkers are nowhere near as influential as they pretend to be, much like the network nightly news shows whose ratings aren’t much higher. Cable and Internet pretty much destroyed the major influence of network news a long time ago, thankfully.

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      • 100 times more people get their “news” from twitter than the dead media.

        When the generation still addicted to television finally dies off, the entire class of “journalists” will be out on the street and not before time.

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      • shallbe4 says:

        Chuck Todd who asks the same question 5 times or until he can get the answer he wants and that answer is always anti Trump is the most boring of all. I look at him and I sense that as a child his parents had to keep the night light on to keep him from being afraid of the boogyman.

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      • seekingthetruth2 says:

        Twenty, twenty five years ago, the Sunday shows averaged six million viewers. I know, I was one. I would spend my Sunday mornings watching each show while reading the NY Times. Of course, that was when I was still in the Northeast soaking up the propaganda from NYC 24/7. I moved to FL (now LV) in 1992 and I realized how evil the Northeast is.

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  3. Paco Loco says:

    McMaster weasel worded his response to the question about Bannon so as to avoid answering the question. Trump has some real problems in the Whitehouse if McMaster and Bannon are at odds with each other on national security policy.

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    • Minnie says:

      And in the end, Bannon has no say on implantation of National Security policy.

      Media, leaks and “sources” continue to plant seeds of division

      JMO

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    • LBB says:

      McMaster skirted directly saying Bannon should be on the team, our he could work with him, but was inclusive of entire team working to the same goal of advancing President’s agenda. The unknown is what DJT wanted discussed in detail , and what not.

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Bannon can attend National Security meetings but he is not on that team. Bannon, McMaster and PDJT ALL have strong personalities. It is not necessary for McM and Ban to be “best buddies”—as long as they both work toward PDJT’s goals for the country. (Essentially what McM said)

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  4. MAGADJT says:

    Can’t stomach watching this clip. Question – Did McMaster forcefully defend Trump against Toad’s “Trump is a racist” talking point?

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    • mireilleg says:

      I don’t think as good a job of defending the President as Gorka would have done.

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      • graphiclucidity says:

        Which is exactly why they want Gorka gone.
        Gorka doesn’t suffer fools lightly and the fools asking him questions hate being made to look like idiots by an extremely intelligent man with razor sharp focus and wit.

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  5. Marc says:

    Why is Stave Bannon not addressing this “division” without the WH? He’s sitting in the shadows and keeping quiet, much like Reince was doing, for the last several months. It doesn’t help Bannon to not talk to media and quash this crap unless he is pushing this localized, soft coup.

    Trump can succeed without McMaster or Bannon or both. People are gettting distracted from the main goal of MAGA. More talk about immigration, crime, jobs, taxes, the wall, and trade and less talk about “palace intrigue”.

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    • fleporeblog says:

      Do you really think these “distractions” are hurting the agenda? I think it is doing the opposite. They see the multiple whiteboards on Bannon’s wall and red check marks everywhere. They may never report it but they are beyond shocked at how much and how quickly our President is MAGA! Our President laughed about the squabbling in the WH the other day when asked about it because it is all part of the master plan.

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      • Marc says:

        You’re right. I know it’s not hurting the agenda at large, but the people, Trump’s people, get confused and frustrated over all this gaslighting. Having Bannon just come out and say it’s a bunch of BS to any media outlet would be a good thing to keep the Deplorables in line. When I don’t hear from someone whose name is brought up so much, it worries me because it legitimizes the divisions pushed by the MSM. We wanted Reince out so that divide wasn’t a problem, but we don’t want Bannon out so this stuff does the administration no good.

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    • mimbler says:

      Bannon and McMaster could disappear today and the media would fabricate another intrigue to distract from PDJT agenda.

      We shouldn’t take the bait and treat these distractions seriously any more than we should take seriously their distortions of what PDJT says or does,
      Mike

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Bannon knows he is a lightening rod. Now have a strong COS in Kelly. I would keep my head down, too.

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  6. georgiafl says:

    Scott Adams:

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    • georgiafl says:

      Only problem with that is – KKK hasn’t been violent in many decades.

      Antifa is violent every time they convene.

      Liked by 7 people

      • jkcinsalem says:

        The KKK was mostly made up of democrats.

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      • fuzzi says:

        Should be Black Lives Matter and Antifa on that list.

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        • Summer says:

          IIRC, ANTIFA is designated as a terrorist org somewhere in Europe. They are violent anarchists that should be arrested on sight. Easy to identify by their ISIS-like garb, too. Since Sessions is cleaning the streets, he should start jailing these leftists en masse because they don’t understand polite “please be civil and respect our 1st Amendment” requests. The scum got emboldened and encouraged by Obama’s inaction and silent approval.

          Note that they always riot in libtard cities with libtard mayors who usually give the local police a “stand down” order. Same pattern every time.

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          • graphiclucidity says:

            Antifa isn’t designated as terrorist organization in any European country they are prevalent in. It’s much the opposite really, they are the shock troops used by the political left in Germany and Sweden to keep the “racists” and “fascists” in line.

            Antifa knows exactly where the line is to prevent being named terrorists and they rarely cross it.

            Now the socialists in the U.S. have brought Antifa here for the same purpose.

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          • quintrillion says:

            Anyone wearing a mask or covering there face should immediately be de-masked and photographed and put on anarchist list & booked as a subversive to get a handle on how far around the country they travel to riot and what organizations they are linked.

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        Don’t bother to ban or put on terrorist list. Simply arrest anyone who engages in violence immediately. That will thin their ranks real quick.

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        • georgiafl says:

          Do both. Official classification as terrorists makes a big difference.

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          • amr632 says:

            Since they are not working with a foreign power, trying to ban them would be overruled by the courts. They have freedom of assembly and speech even if we don’t like it. But if they cross the line into violence, either side, arrest them period. Their exceptions are they won’t and usually that is true as with Berkeley, Baltimore and now Charlottesville.
            I have been demonstrating/picketing for conservative issues regularly for over a decade and at times since Goldwater’s campaign. I have never been violent or called out by law enforcement. I have been threatened but never physically attacked, but my, times have certainly changed.

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            • georgiafl says:

              Good points. There are domestic terror organizations on official lists, however.

              Antifa and BLM have fomented both threats and violence.

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            • georgiafl says:

              Well – there has been a change in the last decade or so. There used to be a list of domestic terror organizations, but I can’t find one now.

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      • kpm58 says:

        The theme of the KKK has gone from “We will rule the world” to “Please let us live”.
        Some individual Klan groups have even reached out to black folk to be members as their focus has gone from “race” to “family”.

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    • LBB says:

      Maybe Adams should be on the communications team.

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  7. fuzzi says:

    I can’t stomach Todd or George S, so I’ll just rely on reports of what was said.

    My mother would have referred to their “talking points” as “oral diarrhea”, and she’d be right.

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  8. As Sundance has been attempting to explain. Bannon will lose if it comes to a choice between himself and McMaster.

    Bannon is only (some might observe, a contentious) political figure. McMaster, seems to have military respect – Which the President has made abundantly clear, over and over, is an asset he prefers.

    And none of us should fall into the trap of ‘Bannon being Trump’s brain’, a narrative the Media did its best to establish, but failed at. The President is his own man.

    It should be telling, McMaster was publicly at the President’s side in NJ… And Bannon is out of sight, a great deal. In fact, its only during this whole McMaster-conspericy that he’s being talked about at all.

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    • LBB says:

      Anyone who has watched videos of many of DJT’s interviews, knows his ideas of today have been the same as the last 3 decades. None of these other bird brains can claim they “made” him.

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    • singingsoul says:

      I thought McMaster did well in the interview and he also did well concerning Bannon. People can work on the same team for the same goal but not like each other. I do not know what the relationship between McMaster and Bannon is and that is not my problem to carry. That POTUS is happy with both make me happy. I do not know Bannon and I do not know McMaster and Trump is the only person I voted for and Pence just happened to be on the ticket.

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      • I agree those three men, are the only people who know what is really going on.

        This actually seems to be more an issue of outside forces at work – Coupled with the Media’s goal of felling the President’s agenda, if not the President himself.

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Bannon has RARELY been seen by the President’s side a pressors. He always works out of sight—-since the beninning.

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  9. SpanglishKC says:

    Not a fan of how HR handled Charlottesville questions. Why go on these shows if you are not going to be prepared?

    TOAD: When you watched all this yesterday what was your reaction?

    SHUDDA SAID: I didn’t watch it. Frankly this started out as an insignificant protest that turned into a tragedy as the Gov McCauliffe and Mayor, MSM, BLM and Antifa fanned the flames of hatred between all the groups involved. The VAST majority of Charlottesburgians were going about their live. Disappointed McCauliffe hyped a nothing “protest.” In disbelief the Mayor did NOT have his police department ready to STOP all violence. Now they are using this tragedy to deflect responsibility for playing politics with hate.

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  10. carnan43 says:

    Among many things to focus on is Europe and their Islamization. Jidah Watch is reporting 30 million more mainly young men to migrate to Europe in the next few short years. Unfortunately, McMaster’s has a bad reputation when it comes to dealing with radical islam. It only takes a few in the right positions to over throw a country. We have numerous examples in the 20th century. Failing to recognize the drives and motives of man throughout history will only bring us to the same outcomes.

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  11. Bruce says:

    Todd is a waste of time.

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  12. Vince says:

    Most interesting part was at the very end, the rollout from Chuck Todd of the left’s new (existing) position to just let North Korea have nuclear weapons.

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    • fleporeblog says:

      The alternative is mind boggling for them! I am not talking about nuclear war but the end of the Korean War and the Yun dynasty in NK. Plus all missles destroyed. Our President will have that to add to his growing mantle. We are closer today to what I described than nuclear war. That scares them to death 💀 because Iran 🇮🇷 will be next on our President’s list exposing the demon that called himself the 44th President of the USA 🇺🇸!

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      • Vince says:

        The way that I see it, it is one of two things, or even both. One, they are fellow leftists, and when push comes to shove will support their fellow travellers. The other is that they are so psychologically afraid of conflict that they will give in to anything at the first sign of conflict. The only people they fight are the conservatives, who have traditionally not fought back.

        President Trump is not afraid of conflict, and that might scare them more than the consequences of giving in.

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  13. yakmaster2 says:

    I never see the media bashing militants like Antifa or BLM, but they’re all over the ‘Alt-Right’ as if all who are labeled alt-right are cut from the same cloth. According to them ‘Alt-Right’ is synonymous with all their deragotory push button labels.

    I don’t agree with true White Supremacists and I don’t personally know any, but in America you’re allowed to believe any crazy thing you want. Not only that, but as along as you’re non-violent or not forcefully coercive, you’re allowed to express your beliefs and hang out with those who believe as you do. The minute that changes, this country becomes a thought police state. I’m so sick of media trying to institute thought control by insisting free speech ONLY applies to the (sacred) free Press.

    “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” —-Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906, paraphrasing Voltaire.

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Remember Hillary made a portion of her campaign talking down the alt-right. Why would her lapdogs be expected to do any different?

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  14. Sedanka says:

    I don’t torture myself with these nonsensical Sunday (fake) news shows. Sundance’s summaries and analyses are much better!

    My question is – are they still influential like they were years ago, or are their ratings now beneath the level that it matters what they say? Why do Trump’s people even go on these shows anymore?

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  15. thedoc00 says:

    I was at the gym and had no choice but to watch CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC. The good part is that they are all on monitors, which are side by side. As stated above it does make one wonder how these broadcasts can be considered anything but self serving editorials and not news by anybody watching them. The real tragedy of the news broadcasts, starting with the Charlotte incident essentially broke down along the following lines of discussion:
    – We have a racist president, who’s base of support is racist.
    – Zero about the rally held by the White Nationalists being a legal rally and White Nationalists morphed into White Supremists after the car crash.
    – Zero about the mass of BLM and various Leftist Groups being bussed in and they did NOT have a legal permit.
    – Zero about the police being pulled out by the city and state, until things got fully out of hand.
    – All these networks encouraged North Korea as well as China to ignore Trump because he was bluffing and encouraged North Korea to attack.
    – The entire GOP senatorial congregation consists of 2-3 senators.
    – All talking points were “validated” by ex-Obama staff members, including INTEL leakers Clapper and Brennan.

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    • linda4298 says:

      These commie dems seen to think they can win without the 63m who voted for Trump, or they are even more delusional thinking that we will abandon the Pres. and vote for them.

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  16. I didn’t have the patience to go through the video so going by what is described by Sundance. Where was the media’s outrage for what happened in Berkley (Milo and Coulter)? I do not recall President Trump commenting on Antifa that time.
    These GOP senators and GOP “pundits” have still not figured out why candidate Trump is President Trump. I thought Obama was the most divisive President but after reading comments fro GOP senators piling on President Trump it is time to reevaluate that assessment.
    There is only way to get us on the right course for MAGA – in coming elections, we the people, need to purge the congress of all the career politicians in each elections through 2024. There is no other way that the fine folks in congress will start working for us unless a strong message is sent in each of these elections.

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  17. roy1982blog says:

    I think General Kelly and the whole administration should refuse to allow the networks access to anyone representing the WH if they continue to just use them like this.

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    • quintrillion says:

      I suffered and watched this because I have rarely seen McMaster speak. cuck toad was visibly gleeful with McMaster’s answers. I was very disappointed with the whole ghastly bit. IMHO, McMaster is a yes man goon and he is the one that has the narrow opinions! which is why our national security is now less effective as regards to Islam and CAIR’s agenda for US. Some very big pieces to radicals in US are being missed because of this goon being head of this council.

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  18. Piper says:

    3 different high ranking Israeli sources

    Intercepted communications between Soros and McMaster about the reorganization of the White House

    Death threats openly against our President on national t.v. By the CIA

    McMaster is highly suspicious to me., but what do I know, just an intuitive instinct that I was born with.

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  19. Piper says:

    If you doubt the info Jones puts out, just remember, he has been warning of the civil unrest that would be kicking off, MONTHS before it happened.

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    • sundance says:

      Another way to look at it is that Alex Jones actually predicted this decades ago. Frequently. Even before Obama was elected.

      Alex Jones predicted civil unrest, chaos and societal collapse years ago. Decades ago. He’s even got vitamins and antioxidants that will help you survive it.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      think anyone would believe me when i told them about one of our local alex jones guys who openly bragged about dressing up as kkk and participating in “actions”? was not only i that heard him. so there’s that.

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    • booger71 says:

      A few years ago AJ put up a picture of what he claimed to be gold foil wrapped fetuses that were being shipped to the Build-A-Bob’s for consumption. He took it down off his site a couple of days later

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  20. georgiafl says:

    McMaster did a masterful job of being professional, articulate and not falling into the traps, nets and quicksand Chuck Todd threw out there to try to catch him.

    I like these Generals.

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  21. SUNDANCE.

    Help me out here. I am an information sponger. I need to change that.

    In a world where the entire media is corrupt, and in the midst of a global coup to take over the operating apparatus of the USA, (my country), I find myself unable to watch the shows.

    You do that for me. You also have intelligent analysis, which in the olden days used to be called journalism, but I am showing my age with that.

    Anyways, I read this site about 10 times a day. I flick the headlines of about 6 or 7 sites, but I READ the CTH. And I do so for free.

    No money, no direct debit, Nada. Zip. My old read in the UK was about $2.50 a day.

    How can we fix this? I am even uneasy about asking you if you need donations for fear of offending, but there has to be some way we can give back.

    There is no better way to describe this site than calling it an OASIS of information in the largest and hottest of deserts. It would not be too far gone to say you have saved me from the madness of it all.

    I think Sessions is deep state, and know we disagree on that. But I would have probably gone down the route of thinking McMaster is too, had it not been for your journalism. I would have worried and got all worked up. As it is, I am calm, and relaxed about his appointment. The way he handled the shows today was great. I am a convert.

    How can I help support this site?

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  22. Mike diamond says:

    One can only listen to chuck Todd the Todd chuck for a very short time ! The dude twists every thing he says,he and Jake tapper are two of the worst news people of all time! They hate President Trump and have so much disrespect for conservatives,they are useless !!!!!!

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  23. guitar107 says:

    I never watch MSM. I quit when they helped reelect Ozero.

    This piece of Xcrement Chuck is disgusting. Always virtue signaling. I can’t bear to watch his face, so I am only listening.

    McMaster is holding his own. Good for him!
    5 minutes into listening, I feel like puking, but I want to hear what McMaster has to say.
    PDJT has a great team. MAGA!

    SD, thanks for posting.

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  24. guitar107 says:

    I never watch MSM. I quit when they helped reelect Ozero.

    This piece of X-crement Chuck is disgusting. Always virtue signaling. I can’t bear to watch his face, so I am only listening.

    McMaster is holding his own. Good for him!
    5 minutes into listening, I feel like puking, but I want to hear what McMaster has to say.
    PDJT has a great team. MAGA!

    SD, thanks for posting.

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  25. bkrg2 says:

    Does anyone here remember the Aesop’s Fables cartoon snippets on Saturday mornings?
    I have a new one for all the MSM and libtards that goes like this:

    Cuck Todd is walking down the street in Pyongyang and is approached by Kim Jong-un.
    Kim pulls out a gun and threatens to shoot Cuck “just because he feels like it”
    Cuck replies “but you threaten people all the time, me and all my MSM buddies find you entertaining”
    Kim shoots Cuck who instantly falls to the ground bleeding…
    Cuck’s final breath are used to utter “I guess you weren’t joking…”

    Moral is: don’t be a Cuck

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  26. Hold the phone!

    Dr. Gorka, WORKS in the White House. How can Todd portray him as some sort of interloper? “This gentlemen…” talk about condescending. I guess this is a huge clue, Dr. Gorka is being effective when he goes on TV and communicates President Trump’s message.

    So, I’m guessing the next Media target to be Dr. Gorka, fueled by leaks and rumor.

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  27. kittytrump84 says:

    I just do not like McMaster.

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  28. Daniel says:

    From an article on Breitbart:

    “National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster fired National Security Council staffer Rich Higgins over an esoteric memo that warned about “deep state” actors including “globalists, bankers, Islamists, and establishment Republicans” seeking to destroy the president, according to a copy obtained by Breitbart News and published below.”

    In the interviews of McMaster, he does not deny his motivation for firing Higgins though doesn’t quite fully confirm it either.

    I just have to think that if Sundance were hired into the Whitehouse, McMaster would fire him. After all, we all say pretty much the same things — the big club and all the rest are the opponents if not the enemy of the people.

    Are we still in the McMaster camp?

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Have you read Higgins’ memo? Higgins may be a great guy, but if that memo was an indication of his product, then he’s incompetent. “Esoteric” isn’t a good thing when it comes to doing analysis of operational realities; he deserved to be canned.
      And yes, if hypothetically the owner of this site was hired hypothetically by the NSC and hypothetically created a hypothetical memo like this one then yes, they would deserve to be hypothetically fired.

      And as for the Charlottesville thing, the 72 hour rule should apply, but in the meantime:
      “When the international and the national socialists come out to protest each other and riot you don’t pick a side; you pray for a meteor.”….neither group is a friend to our Republic; both are treasonous enemies both to this country as well as its civilizational roots…but they would love to see you forget that and choose a side.

      And what/who is the one thing standing in the way of anarchy/totalitarianism right now? Are you in the camp that wants to play along with weakening it? Yes, I AM being harsh with you — because there are consequences to this far beyond a bad week in the press.

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      • Daniel says:

        Do you believe the content of the Higgins memo differs in any significant way from the general sentiments carried on here? That’s the core issue I bring up.

        Why you bring up the Charlottesville thing escapes me. Stay on topic.

        The way I see it, Sundance and the rest of us are either other on the wrong side of the issue or McMaster is. I don’t see how we can square that circle. We know what McMaster has said. We know what he has done. And we mostly know why.

        I have read the memo in detail. I don’t see incompetence in there. I see what reads as a mirror/summary of what we have discussed here every single day framed by the leadership of Sundance who has influenced a great many of us irrevocably.

        So because we have both read the memo, let’s dig into it. We clearly see it differently, so I invite you to cite specific details which you think are wrong or inappropriate.

        The question of inappropriate is a subjective matter considering this memo was never supposed to be public and we don’t actually know the reason it was written in the first place though it seems to be one which was solicited by or in response to queries from McMaster or higher up. It didn’t appear to be one which appeared for no particular reason. So without knowing the REASON it was written, it would be hard to say precisely if it it was inappropriate at all.

        So please, do tell in specificity what you think is wrong with the material with which we are both familiar. There’s no reason to be as general as you have been since we’re both working from precisely the same context and source material. What, specifically, was incompetent about it?

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        • blessdog says:

          i can’t speak for sundance, i but i believe that you’re wrong about his/her position…from this article:

          “Chuck Todd uses the “Bannon-wing talking points” and “allies within the White House” to draw out a division within the administration. It’s obvious the MSM are ‘all-in’ on the strategy to highlight the division.”

          not wrong about what McMaster’s deep state status is, but about not understanding the counterproductive effect of rigidly ideological “conservatives”, “Bannonites, never Trumpers etc… who would place their own personal ideology and agenda above MAGA – and align mindlessly themselves with the thug puppet attack dog deep state “liberal” media, who’s ONLY goal at this point is to try and remove Donald Trump from office and who laughingly WELCOME the assistance from the “right” in that mission of creating the perception of “chaos” in the WH…
          Not to mention that those questioning McMaster forget somehow that ALL the President’s staff serve at his pleasure, and that he is the FINAL decision maker…..period.

          i know iI disagree with you, and it’s always bothered me when someone presumes to speak for a consensus of strangers to try and make their argument…i see this happen online all the time lately…it actually weakens your point to cite an imaginary consensus of “others”

          “Sundance and the rest of us are either other on the wrong side of the issue or McMaster is”

          “Are we still in the McMaster camp?”

          we?

          i speak only for myself here, and i welcome the opinion’s of others in the same spirit

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          • Daniel says:

            It’s silly to ignore the high likelihood of people who frequent here aligning their views with this site. Sundance goes to great lengths to frame an understanding of a situation for just that purpose. You might THINK you think for yourself but few of us actually do. Most people think they do because it’s their own voice they hear when they read.

            My discussion was limited to McMaster and the guy he fired being related to the content of his memo and pointing out how strikingly similar it is to the review and evaluation found right here on this site. I never mentioned Bannon and don’t care about Bannon.

            But yes, in the sense that I fully appreciate and admit to the group-think we do here, I use the term “we” because while Sundance’s views are in fact that ‘establishment’ or deep state or globalists, et al are among the players and forces opposing president Trump, it would seem McMaster is vehemently against such views. This makes it a bit challenging to understand why Sundance supports McMaster in his position given that, in my opinion, it is the opposite of the MAGA agenda.

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            • blessdog says:

              “You might THINK you think for yourself”

              good grief

              “I fully appreciate and admit to the group-think we do here”

              lol – call me when you wake up

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              • Daniel says:

                I’m awake. The brain works by relative and associative mechanisms. Every idea is related to others. Every thought is based on thoughts which have occurred before. The kick-starter of all thought is instinct. That’s how it all works.

                “Hmm! I think that sounds right. I agree with that.” And to be frank and clear, if that were not the case, people would insist on only delivering data and so too would Sundance. He doesn’t and people don’t want that. They want to be informed of the framework so that the information makes more sense — to contextualize and to assimilate information through precisely the same mechanics I identify above.

                Learn how the brain works and you will learn how it is so often used against you without your knowledge.

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  29. All I know…

    Hot Air, Evan McMullin, and some random ‘Antiwar’ website I just stumbled upon, are on the Fire-HR McMaster train. Considering, these are all antiTrump sources, and I do not regard any of them as having the intellect to play 3d Chess, I am sure this whole outrageous, outrage is nothing but a sham to hurt – Not HR McMaster, or Steve Bannon. But President Trump.

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  30. blessdog says:

    “Chuck Todd uses the “Bannon-wing talking points” and “allies within the White House” to draw out a division within the administration. ”

    For the last 3 weeks or so, ever since conservative ideologue media platforms like breitbart(.com) embarked on their relentless and disturbing vendetta to try and remove Gen McMaster, i’ve been posting that their myopic agenda is damaging to President Trump and counter productive to his vision of making America great again….that they were ignorantly ALIGNING themselves with the thug puppet attack dog “liberal” media’s foul attempt to take down The President, that the deep state MSM was LAUGHING at “conservatives” doing their work for them – they of course having been practicing and refining their mind control and propaganda since the Holy Roman Empire generally i’d say, in it’s modern iteration for several centuries, and exponentially since the new millennium, when the internet and dopey social media has allowed them to manipulate a WILLING populace with brutal ease.

    i believe that Sundance may have posted similar thoughts regarding the outcome of the McMaster attack scenario being the possible ultimate ouster of Steve Bannon – obviously precisely the undesired outcome…

    exhibit today:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/13/exclusive-former-trump-adviser-says-he-will-blow-mcmaster-drudge-the-fk-out-if-bannon-is-ousted/

    btw: my quotation marks around “conservative” and “liberal” indicate my lack of knowing for sure, who is who and what is what.

    but any way you slice it – ignorance, clickbait, or co-intel mind control, i can witness the results…

    personally, i feel like this about it – my response to the DC article:

    “some apparently think Trump’s base elected “president Bannon”, others think it was “president Sessions”
    I know, and so do TRUE hardcore working American citizen taxpayers, that we elected President Donald Trump to be our leader and commander-in chief…end of story
    the more you try to damage Trump with propaganda type, ideological, personal agenda, the MORE you will lose”

    MAGA!

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  31. C. Lowell says:

    Sunday Talks: Chuck Todd Supports HR McMaster — FTFY…

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