August 13th – 2017 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #206

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1,360 Responses to August 13th – 2017 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #206

  1. BakoCarl says:

    MAGA! Just . . . MAGA!

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  2. citizen817 says:

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    • Venus says:

      The left & NeverTrumps are INSANE. Trump — when this first happened and NO ONE knew who driver was — said he condemned hatred and bigotry from all sides and that all of us, black, white, must be united as Americans and respect each other and ‘ideally, love each other’ (direct quote) and the left and Never Trumps are screaming that he ‘refused to condemn white supremists’

      Someone, seriously, tell me how anything that he said was wrong. Because I don’t see it.

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      • The police knew who the driver was. They arrested him immediately after the incident. And there’s a difference between a “wrong” answer and an “insufficient condemnation”. One can be technically “right” (condemning violence generically) without attributing the violence to specific parties or groups.

        I think the President’s response was correctly restrained, but I also understand why his opposition considers it insufficient. He’s not placing blame before courts have time to act.

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        • StormyeyesC says:

          Like Obama and the Cambridge matter? I just cant remember any dems condemning BLM while I watched them livestream online, beating up white people and blocking streets and taunting cops and destroying property. They got a golden ticket to BO’s whitehouse

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    • fleporeblog says:

      Folks SD has thought us all well that there are trillions of dollars at stake. Our President is on the cusp of either destroying China 🇨🇳 economically or having China 🇨🇳 step in and resolve this issue once and for all with NK. When I say resolve I am talking about putting an end to the 64 year old Korean War. Our President will agree to drastically reducing the numbers of troops in South Korea 🇰🇷 as long as NK is completely denuclearized and an agreement is reached that Nuclear Inspectors will have the ability to consistently monitor sites throughout NK. This will occur within the next few months. Our President gave President Xi the curtesy of knowing what he will announce on Monday. China 🇨🇳 has had to entire weekend to ponder their faith.

      The MSM, Uniparty, Globalist, CoC and others are realizing that Muh Russia is gone and that the likelihood of a nuclear war is greatly diminished. They are also mortified that Janet Yellen and the Federal Reserve can’t stop the Economic Train. Our President has spent the past two weeks tweeting about the Small Business Confidence, Manufacturing Confidence, Unemployment being at a 16 year low, 2.6% second quarter GDP, Stock Markets hitting all time highs, Apprenticeship Program beginning to take off. Energy exports at record levels.

      Our President has also thrown the leader of the Republican Senate under the bus and drove over his body a few different times. He is about to pull off the greatest coup in the world by having Rick Perry move over to Homeland Security so that Democrat Senator, Joe Manchin of WV, can take over as Secretary of Energy allowing the NOW Republican Governor to place a Republican into his seat.

      This would allow us to nullify Lucifer’s treacherous act on the Obamacare Skinny Repeal. Our President will have the Skinny Repeal added onto the Tax Reform Bill knowing he has 50 votes in the Senate since Manchin was replaced. The House will vote on the Skinny Repeal as well since it eliminates the taxes on individuals, businesses that employ 50 or more full time workers and the medical device taxes.

      Also a poll that has scared them ALL to death recently released. In that poll three particular items made them want to commit suicide:

      https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/788-trump-approval-at-45-support-among-hispanics-west-and-union-voters-jumps-double-digits

      Hispanics approval rating at 42% (11% increase)
      Black approval rating at 21% (remained the same)
      Union Workers approval rating at 51% (8% increase)

      That is why you saw what you saw today! They have nothing left and this crap 💩 will also fade away!

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      • fred2w says:

        Okay, fle. Where did you hear Machin is the new Energy Secretary?

        It would be a brilliant move by President Trump.

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        • fleporeblog says:

          Fred2w wrote the following last night:

          Our President is about to stake a knife into the side of the Democrats and Lucifer from AZ. Folks we may see the greatest 4D chess move ever seen in politics! I can’t begin to tell you how amazing this coup will be.

          Our President does the Boy Scouts Jamboree in WV in early July. At the same time, the Democrat Governor visits the WH twice in July and has Eric Trump over to his home and goes hunting with Don Jr. Our President goes back to WV for a rally before he breaks for vacation. The Governor of WV decides that he is leaving the Democrat party to become a Republican. He announces his decision on the stage with our President by his side. The crowd initially boos him when he starts speaking but by the time he ends his speech by saying our President is a good man and a great President, the crowd goes nuts!

          Shortened version of his announcement below

          In the meantime, our President jettisons Reince Prebius and picks John Kelly as his Chief of Staff. This frees up the Homeland Secretary position. Rick Perry, Energy Secretary, with our President’s leadership has literally flip the switch on our Energy Revolution in a little over six months. The Dakota pipeline is completed while the Keystone pipeline is about to commence. Our President announces that he has given the green light for seven additional pipelines. One of which will go under the WALL into Mexico 🇲🇽.

          South Korea signs a $15 billion dollar 💵 LNG agreement with a US company. Poland 🇵🇱 receives its first shipment of LNG in June. Our President visits Poland 🇵🇱 to speak at the Three Seas Summit. The President of Croatia 🇭🇷 shares that she is building a floating pipeline off of one of her islands. Our President assures all 11 Eastern European countries that he will never use Energy against them. The President of Poland 🇵🇱 shares that the US produces enough LNG to take care of the gas needs for all Three Seas Countries.

          Ukraine 🇺🇦 recently decided they had to make up for working with HRC’s campaign and has agreed to have a PA coal company take care of all of their energy needs. In the meantime, our President is sending his daughter, Ivanka, to India 🇮🇳 for a Woman’s Entrepreneurial Summit. The real reason in my mind is also to finalize a major agreement where 🇮🇳 will purchase hundreds of billions of dollars of coal and LNG.

          Trump says US & India working on contracts for India to purchase natural gas. “We will sign” but “trying to get the price up a little bit.”

          — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) June 26, 2017

          Here is the most incredible possibility! Rick Perry is seriously considering becoming the Homeland Secretary. He did an incredible job as Governor of TX and knows the job inside out. Plus he would be taking over at an important juncture. The WALL will commence being built by the end of 2017. Plus DACA is going to be a thing of the past once AG Paxton and the nine other AGs go back to the Executioner, Judge Hanen, to have it overturned on September 5th. John Kelly never really wanted to deal with DACA. Rick Perry will be chomping at the bit to take care of them and their parents😂!

          Back to WV! Our President will offer Democrat Senator from WV, Joe Manchin, the Secretary of Energy position. The NOW Republican Governor will replace him with a Republican Senator. It will allow our margin to hit 53 Republicans. This will neutralize Lucifer’s vote for the Skinny Repeal Bill. Now we will have 50 YES votes. Senator McConnell could easily attach the Skinny Repeal to the TAX Reform Bill knowing that we have 50 required votes and can use reconciliation to take care of both in one bill during the same fiscal year.

          http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sen-joe-manchin-eyed-to-replace-rick-perry-as-energy-secretary-report/article/2631312

          From the article linked above:

          White House and Republican officials are looking at Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., as a candidate to take the top spot at the Energy Department, as a plan is being looked at moving Energy Secretary Rick Perry to lead the Homeland Security Department.

          Bloomberg reported the news citing four people familiar with the discussions.

          A spokesman for Manchin declined to confirm whether the senator would take the Energy Department post that former Texas Gov. Rick Perry has occupied for months.

          Manchin had been considered for the energy post in the past, as he faces a tough re-election battle in 2018. Bloomberg reported that his nomination as energy secretary collapsed in part because President Trump would not assure him that he could pick his own staff, according to two people familiar with the staff selection process.

          News reports circulated late last month that said Perry was being considered for the top spot at the Department of Homeland Security, given that John Kelly moved from the agency to become Trump’s new chief of staff.

          Sources close to Trump’s energy transition team told the Washington Examiner that Perry’s selection for homeland security is credible because the Energy Department was never Perry’s first choice. He had wanted a post in the Department of Defense. The thinking now within the administration is that Perry may be up for homeland security as a compromise between the two, since the security post is closer to a defense position than energy secretary. But no one is sure exactly how this will shake out.

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          • Linda says:

            That sounds great, but in some states a replacement has to be of the same party as the one they are replacing. Do you know what the law in WV is? That’s the crucial thing to know.

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            • fleporeblog says:

              Got this for you Linda:

              http://therightscoop.com/could-manchin-replace-perry-at-doe/

              From the article linked above:

              If Manchin were offered and accepted the position, that would allow West Virginia’s Governor Jim Justice — a newly minted Republican — to appoint a GOP successor and bring the party a vote closer in the Senate to being able to repeal Obamacare. The idea is in the early stages of consideration, and it’s unclear whether it has support within the administration, according to the people, who described the conversations under condition of anonymity.

              There’s the rub. It’d be really hard for Manchin to allow WV to replace a D with an R in the Senate. And by hard we mean … well think horse head in the bed. Hard.

              It would of course mean a shift in the Senate that would change the landscape entirely, including making it much easier to repeal and replace.

              West Virginia is Trump territory. He won every county in the state, a whopping 68.5% of the vote, and the turnout was over 50%. The Governor just switched parties and joined the GOP.

              Guess we’ll see. Crazier things have happened. Especially in the last two years.

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          • winky says:

            Flep….your post was absolutely FANTASTIC…..thanks

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          • Summer says:

            HELL NO to Manchin. First, his replacement has to be D, and it might be harder to get rid of that person in 2018. Second, yes, he will hire his own stuff, and that means more Libtards and potential obstruction in Trump’s cabinet. And third, WHY THE HELL DO WE HAVE TO REWARD DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS?! Manchin voted against repeal and replace bill, he must be voted out, not rewarded.

            Once more thing: I don’t want Rick “you don’t have a heart” Perry anywhere near immigration in general and DACA in particular. Leave him where he is. I wish Trump nominates another general instead. The Left will go banana with “hunta!!!” which will provide endless entertainment.

            I would be VERY unhappy if Perry is moved to DHS and ANOTHER Democrat to Energy. Enough is enough, don’t we have good, competent conservative people to promote?

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            • railer says:

              Yes, Perry is a self-serving opportunist, quite similar to McCain, and is not to be trusted. He is a Davos-type globalist and advocates for open borders, just like McCain. NO thanks.

              If they’re to move Manchin into Trump’s government, then he should be the one leading Homeland Security, not Perry. Manchin led WV as governor, and has been a senator for some time in Washington. He has the savvy and gravitas, and Perry clearly doesn’t. Don’t be misled. The Texas governor is the face and media figurehead, but the real power in Texas lies in the legislature and its leader, and the Texas Railroad Commission. Perry has been none of those. Manchin is clearly the heavyweight here, and can handle DHS. Keep it simple. You can play 4-D chess, but no need to add triple-bank-shots to the game.

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          • fred2w says:

            Fle, your research and analysis skills amaze me. Machin becoming the new Energy Secretary makes a lot of sense.

            Standing ovation! (Wish I had a GIF to post.)

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          • Black_Knight_Rides says:

            Now you’ve got me copy-pasting to family & friends far and wide, flep!

            What a great wake-up!

            … How about a Trump-Kelly-Perry-Manchin foursome at Bedminster?

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          • pyromancer76 says:

            I want to add a caution like that of Summer above. I’m glad Perry did a good job at Energy, but I would be cautious about him anywhere else. I supported him for his run for President and my research — and his apparent abilities — were not up to my snuff. I would prefer another one of those fired generals or flag officers.

            I am glad a Democrat saw the light — that he has no party anymore. However, we need people in the Administration who are and have been committed in their bones to the American way and the pragmatism for the American Republic that Pres Trump represents. He/we is/are remaking the Republican Party. Rightful opposition can begin to remake the Democrat Party, if they can tear away from the ensconced marxists.

            I admire the brilliance of the moves Fle has suggested, but it just might be too pretty. Is Perry really, really committed to a closed border, strong wall? I like the question Summer asked: who would Manchin hire as his staffers in his position?

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            • fleporeblog says:

              Keep in mind that the work at the Energy Department is well underway and heading in an incredible direction. No matter who Manchin brings with him one change that one bit.

              Treeper Wheatietoo wrote the following the other night about Perry:

              I recall, that was passed by the Texas Legislature…with a veto-proof majority.

              Even if Perry had vetoed it, it would’ve passed anyway.

              Once it became law, what was he going to do…not support a Texas law?

              If you actually ‘look’ at the law, there are a lot of rules governing who qualifies for it.
              The students have to have gone to school there in TX.

              Perry had no power to deport illegals.
              Only the Fed Govt can do that.
              So the inaction of Clinton-Bush had allowed TX to be flooded with illegals…and Perry was left with dealing with that problem.

              Perry deployed Texas Rangers to the border to crack down on illegal traffic.
              He would round them up…then hand them over to the Feds, who would let them go.

              I think he would love to have the power to enforce our Immigration Laws, and the resources to do it.
              He would make a good DHS Secretary.

              Btw, in 2014 he criticized Ted Cruz & Glenn Beck for that stunt they pulled in handing out Teddy Bears to illegals.
              He said it “sent the wrong message” to the people south of the border…and would be seen as “encouragement” for more to come.

              If you dig deeper into what Perry has actually said over the years…you’ll see that his views on the wall are very similar to Trump’s.

              Perry didn’t see how it was feasible to put a wall along the Rio Grande.
              Farmers need it for water for their cattle and crops.

              It meanders back & forth…and floods.
              You would have to put the wall way back from the river, which would essentially giving all that land to Mexico.

              Perry used his own state’s funds to put Gun Boats on the Rio Grande.
              But he called for the Fed Govt to add more…because with no state income tax, his funding was limited.

              Perry has said that he is in favor of a wall, in the areas where it makes sense.
              Just like what PDJT is saying.

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          • Bo3484 says:

            Fle, you bring much to any discussion and so for your efforts and others who follow political events on this board, WV requires the replacement of any senator no longer serving to be a replacement of the same party affiliation as the incumbent:
            https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_appointed.htm

            Specifically WV subscribes to this: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx

            You bring much to this board so respectfully this is simply to keep your thoughts on the rails as to the realities of the situation. Keep on my friend!

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            • fleporeblog says:

              You are correct when it comes to certain state wide positions. Not the case with the two Senate seats.

              See Ditch Mitch post above.

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              • Bo3484 says:

                It seems both links I shared in my post are indeed pertaining to the post of US Senator. Each link is from the source of each origin, meaning from the site of the U.S. Senate and a clear summary of WV law.

                Even though the law is clear the appointment will have to be a Democrat (the party of the incumbent) there is always the special elections where a conservative can gain the seat.

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                • fleporeblog says:

                  I think we are going to agree to disagree. Found the following in Ditch Mitch’s post:

                  HERE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS OR WHERE GOVERNORS DO NOT HAVE UNLIMITED POWERS::

                  Alaska, Oregon and Wisconsin do not allow the governor to make interim appointments; state laws requires a special election to fill any Senate vacancy.

                  Oklahoma also requires that Senate vacancies be filled by special elections, with an exception. If the vacancy occurs after March 1 of any even-numbered year and the term expires the following year, no special election is held; rather, the governor is required to appoint the candidate elected in the regular general election to fill the unexpired term.

                  Arizona and Hawaii require the governor to fill Senate vacancies with a person affiliated with the same political party as the previous incumbent.

                  Utah and Wyoming require the governor to select an interim senator from a list of three candidates proposed by the state central committee of the political party with which the previous incumbent was affiliated.

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                • Bo3484 says:

                  Most certainly we can agree to disagree. You’ve brought up a great and hopeful point in the hopes of the governor by changing his party affiliation, can then immediately appoint a republican senator if President Trump make the current democrat senator the director of the DOE.
                  The US Constitution is pretty clear such an appointment states such an appointment has to be a person of the same party affiliation as the incumbent. WV follows this statutory protocol. It seems in the exceptions you list, they refer to the other states you mention but not WV.
                  I still see leverage in the end. A special election would likely favor a Trump supported candidate by a greater probability against an appointed candidate versus an incumbent.

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                • Bo3484 says:

                  Sorry for any typos. Typing in between transit..lol. My work has me on the go which is why I read more than post, and in days about to ramp up even more. Peace brother!

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      • piper567 says:

        flepore…I love your posts…the snarky comment always manages to get inserted…This time it was the throwing McConnell under the bus, and driving back-and-forth over him several times…
        I am still laughing.
        methinks you have an agenda. ha!

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      • Will Janoschka says:

        “When I say resolve I am talking about putting an end to the 64 year old Korean War”
        OK Fl, but ambiguous. Do you propose one or two Korea(s)? The DMZ will remain as a permanent fixture. China owns the norks and is welcome to such including just what to do with l’il fat Kim! SK is fine without the US military except for the US THAAD battery(s), to neutralize whatever Kim’s fantasy!

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        • fleporeblog says:

          I am talking about two Koreas. China 🇨🇳 will be there for the North and Japan 🇯🇵 and the USA 🇺🇸 would be their for the South. What won’t be there is the nukes. Slowly but surely the North will be brought into the 21st century. I could see us having an embassy in NK. If Kim is hellbent than China 🇨🇳 will eliminate him from the equation and his lineage and create a government similar to theirs. Our President could care less if it a communist country.

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          • Oldschool says:

            China being there for the north and the US for the south has been exactly what has brought us to today’s crisis.

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            • pyromancer76 says:

              Except “we” haven’t been there for the South. We have been giving the store to the North Koreans, not to mention the Chinese. That might give one pause as one thinks who was in charge of our country when this great giveaway happened. One might even imagine marxists at the helm — hiding under the good language of “liberalism.” Since the Booshes are included, this involves both parties.

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            • fleporeblog says:

              Oldschool this would be very different. China 🇨🇳 would be hands on and we would have a presence in NK as well.

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          • Will Janoschka says:

            “I am talking about two Koreas. China 🇨🇳 will be there for the North and Japan 🇯🇵 and the USA 🇺🇸 would be their for the South.”
            OK, thank you for the clarification! I’ve been to SK, fine folk with proud history! They would never accept the communistic nork brainwashed folk into their society.
            The SK folk have pride in their hard won skills. They remind me of the Polish! The DMZ should remain as a reminder of what not to do!

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      • Ditch Mitch says:

        Fle, this is a brilliant move only PDJT could make and I expected something like this. PDJT is a master at moving people around until they get into the positions they are most effective. First he moves Kelly to COS, then he moves Perry to DHS who many thought including myself would be at DHS. Next the Democratic Gov. of WV visits the WH a number of times, maybe about coal, “the switch”, and also about Manchin and DOE. Grease the skids early with some coal mines and miner jobs. One benefit, only Manchin needs confirmation and as a Dem he should sail though (unless leadership thinks they can block the appointment to keep a Dem seat). The block could backfire if Manchin wants the job and threatens to “switch” parties.

        Nothing like a Senator from a coal mining state to become DOE. AND with the Republican Gov. PDJT could get a Republican Senator.

        The big question is will Manchin go for it.

        Probably the final discussions happened while at Bedminster where our President goes when he wants privacy. PDJT did say he has a number of BIG announcements to make when he gets to the WH Monday. This could be one of them

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      • n1ghtcr4wler says:

        Even if this theory will come true that wont get a skinny repeal passed. Heller will vote no. he just waited last time for McCain to vote before him.

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        • Ditch Mitch says:

          Could be, but if he votes yes he would have a much better chance at reelection. Vote no he is toast. Flip someone else who is 3-5 years out for reelection? Maybe?

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        • Oldschool says:

          Agree n1. There are plenty of rats ready to scurry. One extra vote now matters not. If manchin was such an ally, why didn’t he surprise everyone and vote yes 2 weeks ago? It would have surprised all, passed the bill and manchin could have still been shuffled around.

          Manchin has helped at times, but he is far from trustworthy or reliable. Not a fan.

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          • pyromancer76 says:

            Good, careful thinking. Let’s not make giant leaps here. Small, steady, sure steps are better, especially the way our President imagines and makes the moves for them. He also brings lots more people along with him. We don’t want the whiff of “traitor” spoiling the moves.

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        • fleporeblog says:

          Adding it to the Tax Reform Bill puts the decision at a whole different level. You aren’t voting no to Skinny Repeal but to Taxes as well. Resign right afterwards!

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      • Black_Knight_Rides says:

        I absolutely LOVE the way this clan of DEPLORABLE TREEPERS connect the dots and conceive scenarios for President Trump to MAGA.

        President Trump puts the EPIC in epic.

        Way to go, flep!

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      • MaineCoon says:

        This civil unrest is global – not just USA – and it is not going to fade into the sunset.

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      • Sue in MT says:

        I like how you think! 🙂

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    • BakoCarl says:

      I particularly liked this part –

      “No matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our god. We love our flag. We’re proud of our country.”

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        Yes, this is what is most American about our blessed, beloved President Trump. This is why marxists are doing their level best to damn “whiteness.” Yes, Caucasians out of Judeo-Christian-Enlightenment background imagined and spilled much blood for our American Republic, not just for us, however, but for everyone who wishes to live under these values. And not just for our country; the ideals are imminently exportable.

        After Pres Reagan, and the implosion of the Soviet Union, I thought we were about to embark on the American century (21st), but then the Booshes stopped the progress, and marxists Carter, Clinton — not “liberals” (who was first giveaway to the NorK’s under so-called Christian turn-the-other-cheek faith) — began eating away at the underbelly of our Republic.

        Gotta innoculate Americans to the false-speak, forked-tongue, snake-in-the-garden language of beautiful-sounding liberal values and their lock-and-key into marxist insidious religious purity. Liberal values only work in a limited government society — one where the government is on the side of “the people” because “the people” elect that government in a representative way.

        Those of you who wish for the direct election of Senators eliminated, just think back to why that Amendment was put in place. Because all state’s senators were elected by then-Chamber-of-Commerce money. People did not “control” their states.

        This “ownership” is the biggest problem of classical liberal societies and values that one chooses to preserve — how does one maintain “countervailing powers,” multiple centers of ingenuity, when economic winners can take all. Look around at “the globalist elites.” They are the Robber Barons of the 19th C. This is the central problem.

        I hope President Trump can begin a solution, at least on a country-to-country level, bi-lateral trade agreements. Imagine the amount of complexity and competition that throws into the global system.

        The winners still will game it, though. We continue have this final “classical liberal/American promise to all” nut to crack — equality of opportunity, pass or fail according to one’s merit (and luck) passed on through the generations. You are not stuck by birth, caste, class, church, military, etc,, accidents of history, which includes inheritance of gazillions of dollars from your parents. You get the opportunity to make your own way. What an exciting promise this is to every child born in this country.

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  3. citizen817 says:

    Judge Jeanine pt1

    Judge Jeanine pt 2

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      Judge Jeanine had an older black woman professor on her show tonight who attempted to explain the “New” White Nationalists that she wrote about 20 years ago. Time was short so she didn’t get to explain a lot, but she said:

      1. New White Nationalists have nothing to do with Trump.
      2. New White Nationalists aren’t White Supremacists.
      3. There are genuine philosophical underpinnings to the White Nationalists and there are academic works written about the issues besetting whites in America that inform the philosophy.
      4. We need to have intelligent discussion about these issues because there are white people who feel they haven’t been heard and are facing discrimination just as there are in other groups.

      I may have to get her book and read it. This is sure not what has been portrayed by the media today.

      So, let’s not conflate white supremacists/KKK types with white nationalists. It isn’t the same. I don’t, however, feel like I understand the difference between the alt-right and and the white nationalists. These have been conflated all day today, also, and I suspect they are different.

      There is so much disinformation being put out there, and I know that I tend to avert my eyes and distance myself as fast as I can if something looks like it is affiliated in some way with Neo Nazis or the KKK. But we need to understand what is actually being discussed.

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      • tuskyou says:

        Carol Swain

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        • Sylvia Avery says:

          Yes, thank you so much for including her name. She was quite compelling.

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          • tuskyou says:

            I saw the segment then looked for the books: “Contemporary Voices of White Nationalism” and “The New White Nationalism”. I’ve seen her before but I don’t remember what topics she was discussing. I like the Judge but she came off as a real blockhead tonight. How many times did she ask the author to explain the difference between white nationalism and white supremacists?! My sig other gave her a pass saying judge has to do that for the viewers so they understand blah, blah, blah. idk…

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            • Sylvia Avery says:

              I agree, the Judge looked dumbfounded that white nationalism was different from white supremacists…like she couldn’t hardly believe it. It was like it threw her off and she couldn’t quite think what to ask next.

              And that could be true, probably not a lot of time for show prep on this topic.

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            • Sylvia Avery says:

              I’m sure I have seen Carol Swain before, too, but I can’t remember when/where/what she was discussing. Anyway, it was a pretty good segment. Much better than rayciss blah blah blah….

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              • Trish in Southern Illinois says:

                She’s a vanderbilt professor. She came onto the scene when she was harassed for being a christian at the university (vanderbilt) back during the early obama days. I think the university wanted christians to allow non christians to chair their group(s). And this professor spoke out against it…and caught alot of flak for it.

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                • Sylvia Avery says:

                  Thanks! I was just on evil Amazon’s site and looking at her books. I see she has written one with some guy about how liberalism steals the hearts and minds of our youth and how parents can counter it. I thought that was interesting.

                  She is a brave woman. She seems to speak her mind whether the world is with her or not.

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              • naslod@gmail.com says:

                She was also in Dinesh D’Souza’s film about the origins of the Democrat Party. She used to be a democrat and changed her affiliation to Republican when she learned how the Democrats had exploited people of color, etc. A great lady!

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            • val66 says:

              The difference seems pretty straight forward:

              White supremacists means that they believe they are superior and better than all other races and groups tending to look down upon or dislike them. The believe in the very definition of racism. White nationalists want a white nation but do not necessarily require supremacy. That is, a white nationalist could see races as all being equal, them not superior than others, and their country is equivalent to other ethnic countries. Supremacy is not a requirement. Now, obviously, there would overlap and one could easily be both, (supremacists would probably prefer to live in a white nation, and white nationalist could easily see their race and country as better), but there can be a distinction.

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            • Carolina Girl says:

              Carol Swain is great. She used to appear on O’Reilly’s show sometimes and on Hannity’s, I believe. I think she was at the Republican Convention last summer. I’m no expert on the alt-right, but I know there are a lot of disgusted conservatives who are not racists and would never resort to violence against anyone. In the South, most white people have not felt free to express opinions that could be construed as racist since the 1970s. Close friends and family members talk, but it stops there because of potential branding as racists, job loss, and worse. White and black friends talk about some things with each other. Over 30 years ago, my incredible boss and mentor (a black man) asked me one day, “Why do black people get to have their own beauty contests and participate in white beauty contests, but white people can’t have a beauty contest with just white people?” I simply told him that I didn’t know. He was not a racist in any way, and I guess some things were already starting to bother him a little bit. Of course, since then the left has placed its jack-booted foot on the throats of every American. Who feels free to express themselves honestly in public about much of anything? Look at what has happened to many Fox News hosts who have expressed strong support for conservative ideas and President Trump. O’Reilly. Charles Payne. Boling. They tried to destroy Hannity and Watters. I’m sure there will be more attempts.

              I had never heard of the alt-right before Donald Trump ran for President, and I have been a current events junky since I was a child. Based on personal experience, having lived in a rural area of South Carolina for my entire life and ohaving been a public high school student during the first year of total integration, having taught school and having lived and worked “up close and personal” with black and white people as friends, domestics, co-workers, bosses, students, law enforcement, etc., I don’t believe there are many racist Americans. I know the threat of being labeled a racist can stop a freight train on a dime. President Obama’s attitudes and rhetoric made everything so much worse. Before Obama, I truly believed we Americans had done an amazing job of almost ending racism and coming together as a people in just a few decades. Now, I think we have regressed, and the divisive rhetoric continuously spews from the mouths of the “alt-left.” I hate to say it, but I can’t see a path back to where we were twenty years ago much less to an even better place.

              There is a real cognitive dissonance between what I experience with people on a personal level and what I see on television and on FB. I am a strong supporter of President Trump, and I have had many yard signs displayed and political bumper stickers during my lifetime. My family were Republicans when it was not only “not cool” but could be downright dangerous here. But I cannot imagine ever being comfortable displaying a Trump sign in my yard. I have had two cars damaged on college campuses—Nixon sticker in 1973 and McCain sticker in 2008 (alternative to Obama’s socialism). I would absolutely not feel safe with a Trump sticker on my car. I don’t like admitting that, but it is just the truth.

              I abhor that the left has been so successful in stifling free speech and continues the onslaught everyday. I am saddened that racial tension has increased and continues to be stoked for radical purposes. I am horrified that we have allowed the education of our children to be usurped by the radical left at both the grade school and college levels. I am somewhat more hopeful because President Trump was elected, but I am still very much afraid for our country.

              I believe most conservatives would join me in saying (as most Southerners have said for decades) that the KKK and the rest of their ilk need to go away permanently. What a bunch of fools. They have an IQ around room temperature and always make everything worse. Now why can’t the so-called moderate left say that about Anti-fa, BLM, raging radical feminists, and the hundreds of other groups of radical leftists? Right. The double standard makes my head feel like it will explode.

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            • joninmd22 says:

              She is featured at Prager University and teaches at Vanderbilt

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      • WhichWayWesternMan says:

        The alt-right is a broad tent of people ranging from civic nationalists who are sampling some ideas further to the right than boilerplate Reaganite conservatism, to a tapestry of ideological stands we could broadly term ‘post liberal rightism.’ That does include white nationalists, but genuine white supremacists are usually decried (when you think about it, white supremacy logically results in just another form of globalism – this time in racial rather than economic or political terms).

        Wait a minute, you might ask, I’m a conservative, not a ‘liberal rightist.’ Well, yes and no. In the context of current year politics, that’s accurate. However, in the grand history of modern politics, the inception of America took place in the context of a Whig rejection of High Tory traditionalism. Tory loyalists actually fled the newly formed Republic for the colony of Canada, where they formed a political order with quite different priorities than Whig America. Over time, Tory Canada was influenced by Whig America’s political culture, and ironically has become more Whiggish than Whig America (as chronicled in George Grant’s Lament for a Nation). So, the point I’m getting round to making is that you may be conservatives, but you are conservative liberals. You like the liberalism of a certain point in time, and your enemies prefer an updated version.

        Some of us believe the liberal world order must be critiqued root and branch, and that a return to Ye Olde Style Liberalism is impossible. As such, although the Constitution is in many ways a laudable document, the free market is superior to a centrally planned economy, and ‘the pursuit of happiness’ is not a bad goal; those things are insufficient for a truly sustainable social order. Thus, we must look outside the entire Overton window of everyday politics.

        You can read more about this perspective here:
        http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/07/06/conserving-18th-century-liberalism-isnt-good-enough/

        The great German historian Oswald Spengler wrote that in a declining civilization, a ‘second religiousness’ arises. New ‘cults’ (after the sense Russel Kirk used that term) emerge from the debris of the decaying world. They are often unstable, idiosyncratic, and malleable as they seek to find their footing in the world. This process can take decades, and may entail conflict between competing conceptions (cults) of the new order. The alt-right has these characteristic birth pangs, which includes thrashing around in Charlottsville.

        I’ve seen people drawing a firm line between your populist conservatism and the alt-right. And yes there is a difference. But you can’t dismiss them. Although a few KKK and SS goons showed up to Charlottsville (whose beliefs are primarily selected because it gives them licence to be ****holes), many of the marchers were just ordinary middle class young men who have fundamentally withdrawn consent from the ENTIRE political order in which they find themselves. Six to eight thousand turned out, an unprecedented number considering their beliefs are absolutely proscribed by the system (in a way BLM’s are not).

        This is an indication the epoch of dissolution has advanced so far the fringes of the masses are no modulated by the imploding moral centre of society. The signs have been there before that. First it was the artists. Suicide of artists like that of Sylvia Plath, rose disproportionately in the 20th century. Why? Creative spirits are endowed with an incredibly intense gift of perception. They feel the rot long before the masses, and they cannot function in a culture possessing no spirit. So they take themselves out. If there is one point that unifies the ‘big tent’ of the alt-right, it is this: something is fundamentally broken in our civilization beyond surface level politiking and policy.

        Trump is a step in the right direction in terms of restoration, but we’ll need more than MAGA to build a NEW Western Civilization.

        William Butler Yeats described the tectonic quakes that precede the arrival of a new order, and the horror with which the old order views the ‘rough beast’ (its challenger).

        Turning and turning in the widening gyre,
        The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
        Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
        are full of passionate intensity.

        Surely some revelation is at hand;
        Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
        The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
        When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
        Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
        A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
        A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
        Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
        Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
        A darkness drops again; but now I know
        That twenty centuries of stony sleep
        Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle
        And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
        Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

        Conservatives like yourselves, who make a point of responding to the real world, are best equipped to launch a ‘deep critique’ of what has gone wrong penetrating beyond the symptoms, which is the cultural hegemony of the left. The left is simply the chaos that fills the vacuum when the forces of Right Order erode. Ultimately, our forebears dropped the ball. We have to figure out how and why that happened, emotionally disengage from what has been lost, and harness a new ‘beast.’

        The real question is, whose ‘rough beast’ will prevail? Will we make the new order, or our enemies? Which way Western man?

        Anyway, I hope this gives you a brief ‘insider perspective’ of the alt-right by someone who agrees with many of its critiques in principle, but recognizes the vehicle through which those critiques is expressed leaves a lot to be desired.

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        • Sylvia Avery says:

          Holy cow, I am going to have to read that through a few more times. Thanks for such a thoughtful post and I appreciate your attempts to explain.

          I’m a practical gal and have never had much patience for philosophizing so it takes a lot for me to focus on the ideas. But this is something worth grasping, so I will make the effort.

          It really just dawned on me today with all the blather about white nationalism, alt right, etc. that I needed to look a little deeper and check my assumptions and see if they were even in the ballpark.

          Thanks again.

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          • val66 says:

            You may be interested in this then. What the Alt-Right is and its core philosophy in 16 points: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html

            I don’t know if this is the authority of what it means to be alt-right, but seems to be what many have settleed on it’s meaning. Some points are general and may require more digging to see what they mean. The author of these 16 points, Vox Day, blogs about what the alt-right means on that blog and has videos which he talks about it (on youtube and periscope). He came to prominance on the internet and among the “alt-right” during the Gamergate Scandal.

            He’s said that there’s sort of 3 groups within the alt-right: 1) Alt-Lite, 2) Alt-West, and 3) Alt-Reich. I’m not entirely sure of the distinctions but here’s what I surmised. 1) Alt-lite are people who hold “post-liberal rightism” beliefs but have accepted all of the Alt-Right principals. 2) Alt-West seem to be the core and main part of the “alt-right” – kind of like a, for lack of a better term, Wester Culture-nationalists or -supremacists. I’m not too sure. 3) Alt-Reich are the neonazis and Richard Spencers. They may or may not be welcomed within the “alt-right” (I’m not sure), or they may just overlap and share some/many of the same beliefs.

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            • joninmd22 says:

              Box Day is a mixed bag as his SJWs Always Lie is required reading but he glorifies mass murderers like Anders Breavik as a saint. Definitely a thought leader in this new movement.

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            • Oldschool says:

              Who gave who permission to afix a racist label to a group defined by people other than those in this fictitious group? And why are we stupid enough to use the label when we don’t even know WTH it means?

              BLM, ANTIFA, Black Panthers, KKK are all groups with names their members originated, use and own. Legitimate names. Not so of the slur of “alt right”. Instead of trying to define it according to their meaning, how about we REFUSE TO USE IT. For me, it is like the N word. Stop allowing the left to co opt our language.

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              • BakoCarl says:

                Hear, hear !!!

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              • Dixie says:

                Oldschool, am I completely off base that I remember that HRC was the first to give us the “Alt-Right” designation right after “deplorables”? I seem to remember it was that speech she made in the gym which was accomplished with a green screen? And Pepe was brought up at the same time? I’m pretty sure I’m right that she was the first one to spout off about Alt-Right. Anybody??????Am I wrong?????

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              • Dixie says:

                Yep, I’m right. It was a Hillary Clinton con. And it was in that gym/green screen speech.
                Please forgive me for posting a CNN link, but THIS EXPLAINS IT:

                http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/opinions/hillary-clinton-alt-right-speech-stanley/index.html

                Also: Clinton’s campaign, in a preview of her Thursday speech, said Trump’s “alt-right brand” embraces extremism and “should concern all Americans, regardless of party.” Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta, said in a statement that Trump’s hiring of Breitbart News CEO Steve Bannon and others represents an “alt-right shift” to the GOP fringe that “tells voters everything they need to know about Donald Trump himself.

                Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks said in a statement: “Mr. Trump has never used or condoned that term and continues to disavow any groups or individuals associated with a message of hate.

                http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/08/25/alt-right-what-it-means-and-why-hillary-clinton-is-applying-it-to-donald-trump/

                It might not have originated with her, but she is surely the first one to put the label on DJT.

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            • tuskyou says:

              Where does Amren and race realism fit?

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          • WhichWayWesternMan says:

            the important thing is to realize the alt-right is a big tent, but it is a place of ideological flux. Thus, although there are some broad themes to ‘alt-right critique’, be careful not to allow any faction to convince they are the true alt-right. This applies especially to unreconstructed Hitlerists, who can move within our ideological currents thanks to the liminal nature of the alt-right. Most of the other altright ‘nodes’ view them as spergs who’ve adopted an off the shelf ideology because of their cognitive limitations and alienation.

            Should you wish to investigate the alt-right, the following places are a broad selection of what’s on offer:

            -Vox Day, who runs the ‘alt-west’, the Christian centric wing of the alt-right.
            -Counter-Currents.com, which is the most prominent White Nationalist node.
            -Social Matter, the most ‘reactionary’ wing, who reject the Enlightenment in its totality.
            -My Posting Career, a forum that represents a populist, post-conservative rightism.
            -Thermidore Mag, an anti-globalist ecumenical platform for the various stands of the post-liberal right.
            -Red Ice Radio, a youtube channel and website that interviews various personalities.
            – Antoly Karlin @ Unz Review, Russian nationalism, futurism, and reaction.
            -Altleft.com, the branch of the alt-right who prefer more egalitarian economics.
            -The Unz Review – a website which publishes marginalized figures from across the political spectrum including dissident rightists like John Derbyshire.
            -Fash the Nation, the weekly alt-right podcast on Trump.
            – Visagrad Post – nationalist news from Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and Czech Republic
            – WrathofGnon – extracts key quotes and sets them to appropriate art.
            – Chateau Heartiste, a pick-up blog that increasingly veered into politics and viciously attacks the liberal worldview with a focus on science.
            – fluland, the art/literature outlet of the alt-right
            – Million Dollar Extreme on youtube , the alt-right comedian Sam Hyde
            -gab.ai – alt-right twitter
            – Millennial Woes, Survive the Jive, Matthew Drake, TV AMERIKWA, youtube commentators.

            That’s a pretty broad selection of who we are. You can also check out LovePoasting, Kantbot, Bronze Age Pervert, and Faceberg on twitter.

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          • Dixie says:

            Sylvia, there is a lot of research being done on the phrase Alt-Right. It might not have originated with her, but she resurrected it and slapped it on DJT during one of her campaign speeches. There is no doubt in my mind, SHE is behind all this crap that took place yesterday in Charlottesville. It is being referred to on BING as hillary clinton’s Alt-right CON trick.

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/opinions/hillary-clinton-alt-right-speech-stanley/index.html

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            • Sylvia Avery says:

              Yes, I remember that. I had heard the term before but hadn’t paid any attention to it until she started to shriek about it.

              That INSTANTLY legitimized it in my mind. If Hillary thinks bad, it must be not be. But I had still not really bothered to try to figure out what is meant by it.

              All I really got out of my cursory search was Pepe, hooking a finger around your chin and looking thoughtful, dank meme, and Shadilay or something like that. Not really an expression of philosophy that I could grasp.

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              • Dixie says:

                Just wanted to make the point that she was using it as a detrimental term against him, sort of like the vulgarians and deplorables. I believe she has a direct line to the msm and they are only there to do her bidding and when she tells them to use a certain term, they only ask how many times?

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          • Dixie says:

            This took place back in August when she did that speech at the gym with the green screen. This was when she resurrected the phrase and used it against DJT and Republicans. Now I suspect she’s resurrecting it again. Grrrrr!

            I just got here today so am just learning about all the hullabaloo over the term, but I remembered her saying Alt-Right at that speech over and over again so when I researched it on Bing, up popped her “con”, first reference on the first page. My research term was “Alt-Right and Hillary Clinton”. There were many other references about her and the terminology.

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        • val66 says:

          I would also add and argue that the term “alt-right” was created by two different groups, organically and independently. Which is why there is such confusion on and mislabeling of the term.

          First, it was formed by Richard Spencer and white nationalists and white supremacists, who gave themselves the label as “alt-right.” However, since this/these group(s) are so small and rarely heard from, very few people knew or heard of the term “alt-right,” who Richard Spencer was, and these extreme beliefs.

          The second time the label “alt-right” was created was by those you label “post liberal rightism,” as an alternative to mainstream conservatism. They were the true conservatives who were sick and tired of the Bill Kristols and Rich Lowrys of the world and their version of conservatism. At the same time, generation Z and the gamer-gate scandal revived conservative ideas as an edgy, counter-culture found mostly on the internet amongst the young and promoted by memes and trolling (think Milo Yannapolis, Stefan Molyneaux). Both of these groups, post-liberal rightism and counter-culture conservatism, did not want to be associated with, respectively, the corrupted DC version of conservatism and/or their fathers or grandfather’s version of conservatives. As such, to differentiate themselves, they came up with an appropriately descriptive term “alt-right” – entirely independent of Richard Spencer & Co.

          When the “post-liberal rightists” (for brevity I am grouping the counter-culture crowd with them) became popular, more influential, and louder with the arrival of Trump, the media immediately went into opposition research of the term “alt-right.” Low and behold, they immediately found it was first coined by Richard Spencer and white nationalists. Thus, they blanketed anyone having post-liberal rightism views with the labels white supremacists and white-nationslists. Post-liberal rights have, in an attempt to defend and legitimize their views, tried to argue (unsuccessfully against the media) that white supremacy doesn’t have anything to do with the alt-right As such, everything surrounding the term is very muddied.

          So, no one really knows what alt-right really means or labels. You get a different answer with everyone you ask.

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          • WhichWayWesternMan says:

            Indeed. In fact, the term ‘alt-right’ was conscious project to create an ambiguous space for ‘normies’ to try out more edgy rightist philosophies. Richard Spencer was not the person who coined the term ‘alt-right’ though. It was paleoconservative professor Paul Gottfried who declared at one of their conferences ‘paleoconservatism is dead’, and called for a new ‘alternative right.’ See here for more: https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/09/greg-johnson-interviewed-by-laura-raim-about-the-alt-right-transcript/

            To give an example of the close connections between figures who deny they are alt-right and those who are, Milo and Mike Cevanovitch are buds with Vox Day, who remains on friendly terms with explicit white nationalists like Greg Johnson of counter-currents. Identity is the organizing principle of the broad alt-right, and the different factions represent disagreements over which identity should be emphasized (race, culture, ethnicity, religion, immediate community), and how those things relate to one another.

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        • Carolina Girl says:

          Fascinating. I want to read more about this.

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        • joninmd22 says:

          Excellent points.

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        • Black_Knight_Rides says:

          THIS:

          “when you think about it, white supremacy logically results in just another form of globalism – this time in racial rather than economic or political terms”

          Both white supremacy and white nationalism generate conflict that invites anarchy.

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      • georgiafl says:

        Are these the people Swain was talking about?

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        Actually “white” has nothing to do with it. Only Causasians ofrom Judeo-Christian-Enlightenment background. Other Causasians did not choose the way of Western Civilization. It is very important not to let American-Republic values get defined by “color.” You are walking into the marxist trap of dumbing-down. Forever dumbing-down. Did the Spanish turn to Republican ways? How many other “Caucasians” are there on Earth?

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        • pyromancer76 says:

          When I write “Republican ways,” I mean Republic-an ways, not a particular party that might follow those values, or not.

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      • mswords000 says:

        Thank you. It’s a real service to hear about the few people who provide information now. I haven’t had cable for a few years and so appreciate you publicizing this person.

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  4. bkrg2 says:

    Can’t believe we are over 200 days of winning!
    I’m looking forward to Monday smack down on China.
    Hope everyone has a calm Sunday before the storm….

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  5. WSB says:

    Not sure this was a fair exchange…

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    • Harry Lime says:

      Ok, how out of place does that skinny old white guy standing between the two masked black guys look? Come to think of it I think he would look out of place no matter where he stood.

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      • Harry Lime says:

        To be clear, I’m not making fun of him. He just looks entirely out of place.

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        • Guyver1 says:

          Harry, as soon as I saw that skinny old white guy in that picture alarm bells went off in my head.
          I could swear I have seen him before in pictures of Antifa/BLM “demonstrations” ( also known as riots to normal people) in other parts of the country.
          The way his head is sunk between his shoulders makes him hard to miss.
          Paid rioter?
          “Community organizer” (rabble rouser)?
          I put that picture into its own folder for reference purposes.
          I will be keeping an eye out for that dirtbag in the future.

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        • maggiemoowho says:

          He’s probably being used by BLM to get his SSI checks.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      Looks like the flag holder is holding it away from his body so that the guy with the home made flame thrower can torch it. Even the large space implies people have cleared away from the flames.

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  6. M33 says:

    Someone may want to forward this to the Secret Service:

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  7. Gil says:

    Its just Sunday, another fun day in a MAGA world. Get some rest and get ready for another whirlwind week.

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  8. fleporeblog says:

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  9. US says:

    This was a bad day for America. But we shall overcome once the media reminds US of the attacks on Trump supporters by BLM in Dallas, Chicago and California. S.\

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  10. timmyofoz says:

    Typical Democratic Party strategy to Blacks, “Get back on the Party Plantation or the KKK will come back”.

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  11. rjcylon says:

    Regular, normal Americans, yes even those who may still be registered democrat… are tired of the marches, and protests, and the riots. All of it.

    The MSM and democrat party is having a hard time coming to terms with this, because they thrive on that stuff, on identity politics, class warfare, destruction. So they think the answer is do even more of what didn’t work in the first place. But that is not the American character.

    As well as Trump did in November, and the GOP did riding his coat-tails, the dems must have internal numbers for the upcoming elections that are terrifying them. Otherwise none of this would be happening. Can’t put a fire out with gasoline, but they are sure trying.

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    • Sedanka says:

      The GOP are as much, if not more, terrified of Trump’s success. I suspect the internal polls show contempt for both establishment parties. We’re not just going to see Democrats lose 2018 almost to the point of extinction, we’re going to see a bunch of primaried GOPe incumbents too.

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  12. Lulu says:

    Am I the only one that could not care less about Charlottesville? I can’t figure out why it should be of interest to anyone outside of Charlottesville. I know why the media pushes it with their false narrative, but I wonder how many actually care or will even think about it in a few days. I am however disgusted by Rubio, Cruz, etc. for their virtue signalling and failure to call out Antigua in their effort to screw the President and further the uniparty agenda.

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    • Sedanka says:

      What I’m seeing on “mainstream Twitter” tonight is growing disgust with the virtue signaling phonies like Rubio, Cruz and Hatch using this situation to try to further their own careers. It seems to be having the opposite result.

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    • psadie says:

      Lulu agree for how much of this can you take even in CTH…all day long! When things like this happen the awakened public already know who is behind the deed. This is becoming the norm for the Democrats/Progressives/Soros and his organizations are front and center and the Left doesn’t even hide it anymore. It is always the same Modus Operandi (MO). P45’s base is only getting stronger while more Americans crossover to his side. Everyone sees the incompetence and arrogance of the GOP and Congress by deliberately throwing wrenches into his MAGA plan. What they don’t understand is that they will pay a very heavy price for Americans see light at the end of the tunnel and they will not let it go…going back is out of the question and going forward will continue no matter the cost.

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      • Concerned Virginian says:

        Ah yes, but here in Charlottesville, where there’s an almost a 10-to-1 Democrat to Republican difference, this may just be the tipping point to get the tons of soft-hearted, soft-brained liberals who live here thinking there may be something to MAGA.
        And I can guarantee that many people here in general understand that the damage done to the reputation of Thomas Jefferson’s hometown is incalculable.

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    • stats guy says:

      Cville wasn’t as big as other riots, and in the full scope of history, will be a footnote, if that. Not to diminish the life that was lost, and the local impact which will be substantial, for a while.

      However, these events are all indicators…usually flashing in the same direction.

      What people often say is that we dodged a bullet with the Hillary loss.. True enough. But we also dodged a bullet with Bush III et al. who on these issues would be just as bad. G W Bush sent out a tweet early to nail down his virtue…and others followed.

      As usual, I thank Trump for the X-ray analysis of our political system. Yes, it is crooked and rotten. It will take Trump 8 years just to begin. Good thing he has those skills, having built big, tall, buildings. So I pray for Trump…and I also pray that our county has someone else after Trump. Not rubio, kacish, or 100 other light weight pols that don’t have the vision or gravitas to actual help America heal.

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      • val66 says:

        The national impact will be large. Because the media FINALLY has an “alt-right” Trump supporter villan who created violence and killed (on video) and who they can spin and blast on their networks and websites for weeks.

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    • mswords000 says:

      I like your point, and feel the same, but for me it’s because I know their game. Charlottesville is just another instance of the left trying to take control of the country. The reason I don’t care to listen to any of it any more is because it’s just more of the same. I think they’ve overplayed their hand by keeping the same story line going over and over and over again, and now more and more people are seeing through all of it.

      The only part I’m interested in now is what Sessions will do with this, whether he will go to the heart of it, which is 1) what the elected officials did, and 2) who organized and paid for the “counter” demonstration and whether this group(s) has been involved in other such “demonstrations.”

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  13. JoD says:

    The MSM were critical of POTUS’ condemnation of the violence in Charlottesville.
    The rest of us are STILL waiting for Barry to condemn the violence in Ferguson and Baltimore.

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  14. citizen817 says:

    This is a very sick woman to have tweeted this. Sick mentally, physically, and most definitely spiritually. This also goes to her following who liked this.

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    • Sedanka says:

      Complete with 90% bot retweets and bot likes.

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    • bkrg2 says:

      Every time I see anything she says or does, it just makes me hate her more and make me so happy she is not President.
      I believe she had a couple more tweets today – just as vile as this…

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    • rjcylon says:

      Every single person in this country would be unsafe if she had won.

      As of now, it’s only the people who have dirt on her.

      Liked by 9 people

    • Howie says:

      If this is the democrat better deal for rural white folks……..

      Liked by 4 people

    • George says:

      Your heart wasn’t in Charlottesville but you did send your thugs, to start riot with the intention of creating a civil war and harming the President of the United States. If Sessions would investigate, Trump could keep his campaign promise and lock your ass up. Good news is President Trump always keeps his promises.

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    • Concerned Virginian says:

      Dear Mrs. Clinton:
      I, for one, felt VERY SAFE with my .38 Special ready if any of your Antifa/BLM “friends” started coming up my driveway. It’s 4:15AM and thankfully, all is quiet.
      YOU as President (thank the Almighty God this didn’t happen) would make everyone “feel unsafe in their country”.

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    • yakmaster2 says:

      Oh, but Hillary, what a wonderful opportunity for your good buddy Terry McCauliffe to grandstand by declaring that every single person who protested the removal of the war memorial statue of Robert E Lee in Charlottesville as a “white supremacist.” He blamed ALL the violence at the protest on the “white supremacist” protesters and none on counter protesters who showed up to FIGHT. The premise behind the rhetoric of McCauliffe, Ryan, Cruz et al is that if you’re white and protesting you must be racist. You naturally have NO RIGHT to protest, and that being the case, you deserve whatever you get. By default, if any idiot KKK member shows up at any rally it means the media and politicos will paint ALL with a very broad brush, while Islamists at a BLM protest are simply ignored.

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    • B Woodward says:

      No doubt hiLIARy’s heart is not with the “Deplorables,” “bitter clingers,” and Trump supporters who are being made to feel unsafe in their own country. I noticed she didn’t say anything against socialist Soros’ violent antifa fascists who are the ones making people feel unsafe by trampling the Constitutional rights of peaceful citizens.

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  15. fleporeblog says:

    Democrats are saying that Obamacare is a disaster based on their latest concoction!

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2017/08/11/democrats-push-medicare-expansion-because-obamacare-has-failed/#55620c35212c

    From the article linked above:

    Wait, I thought Obamacare was supposed to solve the problem of access to affordable health coverage—especially for older Americans! Are Democrats now saying their signature legislation has made the problem worse?

    Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) has introduced the “Medicare at 55 Act” to allow Americans aged 55-64 to buy into the Medicare health insurance program. Seven other Democrats are original co-sponsors of the legislation.

    Stabenow introduced her bill because she says many older Michiganders are “burdened by high insurance premiums, unaffordable deductibles and limited options.”

    Actually, Stabenow’s claim is also true for everyone these days—and especially for those who buy their own coverage in the individual health insurance market.

    In the House of Representatives, Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.) has introduced the “Medicare Buy-In and Health Care Stabilization Act,” claiming it provides “relief for the higher cost, older population in the individual and small business market.”

    So apparently both Stabenow and Courtney agree that Obamacare is unaffordable for those nearing retirement age.

    Now Democrats assure us that creating a Medicare buy-in—which is essentially the “public option” they always wanted but failed to include in Obamacare—is the answer to a problem their law has exacerbated greatly.

    Courtney says, “Participants could buy into Medicare, including Part A, B and D, for an annual premium potentially as low as $8,212. By comparison, a 60 year-old purchasing a Gold [Obamacare] health care plan on the exchange would pay approximately $13,308 (before subsidies).”

    Of course, “buy-in” is a little misleading. Most people in the 50-to-64 age range who are uninsured tend to be lower or middle income, so taxpayers would be doing the “buying in.”

    And don’t believe Courtney’s low-ball numbers. Medicare spent about $11,000 per beneficiary in 2014. And last year total health care spending averaged out to about $10,345 for every man, woman and child in the country.

    Health care has never been so expensive since Democrats promised to make it “affordable.”

    And private coverage would only become more expensive if a buy-in option becomes law because it would continue shifting health care costs to private sector insurance.

    Private sector coverage subsidizes Medicare’s and Medicaid’s lower reimbursement rates and government-imposed price controls. That means health care providers charge private insurers more to offset the lower Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements, driving up private sector premiums.

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    • Troublemaker10 says:

      That’s an interesting article because it explains the effects of cost sharing by private insurance payers when the government grows the subsidy pie.

      Democrats want to do to Medicare what they did to the private insurance market, basically….put it in a death spiral.

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    • thesavvyinvester says:

      “Actually, Stabenow’s claim is also true for everyone these days—and especially for those who buy their own coverage in the individual health insurance market. In the House of Representatives, Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Conn.) has introduced the “Medicare Buy-In and Health Care Stabilization Act,” claiming it provides “relief for the higher cost, older population in the individual and small business market.”Oh the Irony Flep.
      I know of approx. 20 people that lost their health insurance in their 50’s that were small businessmen and women and or independent contractors because they had an “inferior” policy per the Obamacare “qualified plan” and the insurers had to stop offering these policies. So they want to fix the mess they created with a adding them to Medicare to grow Gov’t even more? Fooey on them. Give these folks I know HSA’s with Direct Primary Care payable with their HSA dollars that will fix the problem not more Uncle Sugar…

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  16. Sedanka says:

    Don’t worry, Trump will have completely changed the news cycle within a day or two. Let’s just get past the insufferable Sunday shows. (Which I get past by not watching at all.)

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  17. Howie says:

    Was this event to protest the destruction of a Rebel Statute? I have not been paying attention to it. All I can say is that they forgot their pitchforks. I heard they had a permit but the leftists crashed the protest. Ahhh Dunno. So glad I live where we have no such problems.

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  18. Former lurker says:

    If this becomes a civil rights case, and the DOJ gets involved, it will be eye-opening to see if the Sessions DOJ has completely dismantled the institutional community hocus-pocus that was a feature of the Obama DOJ.

    I’d not be surprised if a holdover makes a stink if they aren’t given free reign, and points a finger at the “racist” AG.

    It just sounds low, despicable and false enough to be a plausible play for the NeverTrump crowd.

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  19. Howie says:

    The leftist traitorist democrats seem to be resurrecting the radical republican reconstructionists after the civil war.

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  20. WhichWayWesternMan says:

    Good comment i saw on Chartlotsville putting it in context.

    “People are really, really pissed off. Some of them are actually DRAWN to Nazi symbolism, because they are so angry. It’s like how depressed and disaffected people disfigure themselves with tattoos and piercings, or self-destructive people start using drugs that everyone knows are extremely dangerous, like heroin and meth.

    Think about what is happening here. in the 1980’s and 1990’s, KKK rallies would draw 12-20 toothless, semi-literate rednecks. There were probably 6,000 or 8,000 college-educated 20-something whites at the rally in Charlottesville. Those guys weren’t there because of Spencer’s charismatic leadership. They were there because they are ANGRY. They had shields because they are spoiling for a fight. And they were willing to show their faces because they just don’t give a shit . The system has completely failed them. They don’t have to worry about losing their good jobs with benefits if they are seen at a white nationalist rally, because there aren’t any good jobs with benefits anymore. Those went out with the Boomers. These are angry, disaffected, middle-class whites. Really, really angry and really, really disaffected. We are so used to seeing people LARP as angry and disaffected, like the folks in San Francisco do with their endless protests, that a genuine movement of angry and disaffected people spontaneously rises up, it’s hard to recognize.

    It’s very unhealthy to dwell on victimhood so only going to say this once. Yes, these guys are marginalizing themselves. But the shitty system has marginalized a lot of people over the past 20-30 years. You used to be a loser, an outcaste, if you graduated from college and didn’t get a full-time, white-collar job with benefits. Or didn’t buy a house by 30. Or got fired or laid off. Or couldn’t seem to find a girlfriend and get married. All of those things used to mark you with the scarlet L for loser. Well, a lot of these guys have done everything right — gone to college, worked, led respectable lives — and they’re still stigmatized as losers. How many engineers were in the crowd today? Probably quite a few. So these guys aren’t as afraid of “looking bad” as people used to be. And they want to express their anger and disenfranchisement, and they’re being drawn to symbols of anger. “

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    • val66 says:

      That comment got some things wrong. These people at the rally were NOT white supremacists and Richard Spencer followers, nor was that the purpose of the rally. Sure, some were there and so was Richard Spencer. They had a common, overlapping opinion that the General Lee statue should not be torn down. (The reasons for their stance, which they shared, probably widely differed.) The media has spun the story (which this commenter believed) and labeled everyone and the rally as a huge white supremacist klan rally. That is false.

      Second, the rason they had shields and masks is because of self defense. The left and ANTIFA have violently and with weapons (tear gas, m80 fire crackers, molotov cocktails, sticks, etc) attacked Trump supports and those on the right at Trump rallies (remember Chicago), at other rallies (like the Freedom of speech rally in Berkley, Brooklyn/NYC, and others), and other events (like events of “controversial speakers” like Milo or Coulter or at Middlebury). There have been several events (I think one in Alabama) in which no fights occured and went on peacefully. Unsurprisingly, there was no media coverage of it. So no, these young men not coming to these rallies to fight with shields and weapons. They bring them for defense, because these fights and violence occur because the police are given “stand-down” orders and do not arrest the instigators (who are the leftists).

      However, the comment’s right that men today are marginalized, angry, and sick and tired of he corrupt culture and system our country finds itself in.

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    • Some people just enjoy a riot party!

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    • tvollrath66 says:

      Well you can only trash a class of people for so long..this was bound to happen, and probably get worse before it gets better. You can’t teach all this crazy anti white stuff and think nothing would come from it. Yeah snowflakes might go along…its like that old saying… you back a dog in a corner you libel to get bit.

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  21. emet" says:

    When riots happened under Obama, they were blamed on the police. Now they are blamed on Trump campaign rhetoric. Is there ever a riot that is the fault of the rioters?

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  22. Sylvia Avery says:

    Let’s see….

    A reporter from The Hill was punched in the face in Charlottesville at the rally today. There’s that.

    AND the crazies are out now protesting the protest. I guess a big protest is happening in Oakland. Seattle, always hating to be outcrazied by the Californians, is planning to protest tomorrow.

    Sigh. I’m sick to death of it all, already.

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      I was not clear. The Hill reporter, a female, was punched in the face by an antifa protestor. I wonder if you asked the antifa protestor if he was a feminist he would say, oh yes of course!

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      • yakmaster2 says:

        I saw video of a man punching a woman during the protest. No excuse for a man punching a woman, no matter the politics. I hope that guy catches grief from people who know him. The woman must have been a permitted protester because if she was a counter protester, the media would have condemned it. At least I think they would, but then again she was white so maybe not.

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  23. Troublemaker10 says:

    No thanks. I don’t need George Soro’s fact checking my news. In fact, just the thought of it is chilling to the bone. Journalists should know their own facts and think for themselves.
    —–

    UK Journalists to Use George Soros’ ‘Fact Check’ Software – Breitbart
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/09/uk-journalists-soros-fact-check-software/amp/#ampshare=http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/09/uk-journalists-soros-fact-check-software/

    And while we are talking about fact checking…

    DISHONEST FACT-CHECKERS: How fact-checkers trivialize lies by politicians and undermine truth-seeking
    https://capitalresearch.org/article/dishonest-fact-checkers/

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  24. Peter says:

    Covfefe.

    August 12, 2017

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  25. Sylvia Avery says:

    Dr. Carol Swain, a black professor at VanderBilt (I think) who was on Judge Jeanine tonight and spoke about a book she wrote about White Nationalism nearly 20 years ago. Here’s the blurb on her book about the subject:

    “Over the past ten years, a new white nationalist movement has gained strength in America, bringing with it the potential to disrupt already fragile race relations. Eschewing violence, this movement seeks to expand its influence mainly through argument and persuasion directed at its target audience of white Americans aggrieved over racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies. The movement has also been energized, Swain contends, by minority advocacy of multiculturalism. Due to its emphasis on group self-determination, multiculturalism has provided white nationalists with justification for advocating a parallel form of white solidarity. In addition, as Swain illustrates, technological advances such as the Internet have made it easier than ever before for white nationalists to reach a more mainstream audience. Swain’s study is intended as a wake-up call to all Americans who cherish the Civil Rights Era vision of an integrated America, a common humanity, and equality before God and the law.”

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    • deqwik2 says:

      OK. I think I get it now. I believe she is saying is, for example, a typical white person who feels like they are a victim of reverse racism is prone to become a White Nationalist to fight back against the bias.

      A White Supremacist is someone like the KKK who believes only whites should be in power.
      Therefore a White Nationalist is not a White Supremacist. Two different objectives.

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    • val66 says:

      Dr. Swain, a Christian, previously made news when she was pressured/threatened with losing her jobs after she made politically incorrect statements about radical Islam and her traditional Christian beliefs, statements that the the University deemed intolerant.

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    • pyromancer76 says:

      Stop with all the “color coding” and “racism-oh-noes.” That subject is done and over. Don’t let anyone find another way to insert that argument into the American republic, liberty and justice for all.

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  26. progpoker says:

    I’ll just leave this here. Make sure you read all 17 tweets!!

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  27. keebler AC ovfefe says:

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    • Former lurker says:

      Mueller is looking to Jarwoski himself.

      Nobody remembers Jarwoski who railroaded a bunch of soldiers in the Fort Lawton incident. They remember the guy who helped “get Nixon”.

      Mueller’s loose hand at the helm during the Obama years goes away if he can get President Trump.

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  28. Troublemaker10 says:

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    • wheatietoo says:

      According to Millie Weaver, who was there…the cops put up barriers on three sides around the ‘White Nationalists’, leaving one side open.
      The open side “faced the growing crowd of Antifa” that were assembling.

      Then when it was over and the ‘White Nationalists’ wanted to leave…the police wouldn’t let them leave out the back to avoid the Antifa people.
      The police had them corralled.
      With one way out.

      The police only “retreated” to the sides, they guarded the barriers that they used to create a one-way-only exit for the ‘White Nationalist’ guys to leave through.

      This created a sort of gauntlet which funneled them right into the Antifa crowd.

      So the cops didn’t just ‘run away’, what they did was worse…they facilitated the violent clash.
      They created a situation to ensure that violence would happen.

      Then the cops stood by and watched it happen.

      Millie Weaver works for InfoWars.
      Her camera man was pepper-sprayed in the face by one of the Antifa guys…which blinded him for about 45 minutes.

      The Antifa crowd came armed with coolers containing water-balloons filled with urine & harsh chemicals.
      Some had clubs and rocks.

      This was all well planned and orchestrated.

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      • val66 says:

        Does Millie Weaver have evidene of these claims and any video tape of it?

        Liked by 1 person

      • Dogstar_K9 says:

        That would be Terry McAuliffe’s police. Clinton Cartel Terry McAuliffe

        Liked by 3 people

      • nimrodman says:

        ”So the cops didn’t just ‘run away’, what they did was worse…they facilitated the violent clash. They created a situation to ensure that violence would happen.”

        If that’s true, that sounds like plenty of meat for DOJ to dig into. There should be adequate eyewitness accounts and scattered video clips, what with everyone having a smartphone these days.

        Let’s have that DOJ investigation, Jeff. And not just the car-plow guy, the entire riot.

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  29. Abandoned says:

    There is something else I’ve noticed….
    In the last 200 days….even back to November….the standard Iranian govt death threats and rants against the great satan America have almost disappeared.

    What’s the matter, mullah babes? Cat got your tongue?

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    • thesavvyinvester says:

      Hmmm, could it be because of the rumored Israeli F-35 strike on an Assad palace in Jan that took out his Russin S-300 air defense system with impunity of which the Iranians have also probably bought are are now probably useless? Or the message sent by the MOAB strike and the Strike on Syrian Airbases? And the rumored fact they share technology with the Norks and they are about loose on that front too? And the fact we have darn near obliterated ISIS which was an Iranian Proxy? Or that after the Cruise Missile Strike Hezbollah left the Golan Heights? All of the above are from public sources, double check my research, but to me it points to a greater Middle East Peace with Iran in a box from the standpoint of them being a terror supporter….

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  30. FanGirl says:

    Seriously!!! Who sent this to me??? pic.twitter.com/SPRsBLL1cP— BraveHeart (@Braveheart_USA) August 13, 2017

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

    My first time …. don’t know if it will do what I want. It’s HILLARIous!!!

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  31. Howie says:

    Invest in Tiki Torches. This will not head where the MSM wants.

    Liked by 2 people

  32. Troublemaker10 says:

    I’m not trying to spread rumors (and there has already been misinformation out there)…might not be him….and I don’t know who found the photo. But, someone is wondering if it is him in the photo.

    And that is the same way they identified that bike lock antifa professor (by his antifa photo) a while back.

    Anyway, ??????

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    • Abandoned says:

      Nah, head too long, eyes too close together

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Looks like him — looks like same nose, beard growth pattern, sideburn & ear.

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      • StormyeyesC says:

        have seen pictures of him at Heavy that show him as a member of Vanguard something or other (neonazi group) carrying their shield. Maybe he is a govt operative stirring the pot………… Anything and nothing is beyond my belief anymore

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    • dawndoe says:

      Looks like he’s PhotoShopped into the antifa pic.

      Liked by 3 people

    • deqwik2 says:

      His mother said that he told her he was going to an “alt-right” rally & the fact he plowed into the antifa group, I would say he was with the White Nationalist group. Not an antifa. JMO.

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      • StormyeyesC says:

        several from both sides were injured from what I have heard……………..

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      • dawndoe says:

        Did you hear his mother say that? In the clip I saw, I heard her say “a” rally without specifying which rally, but maybe she specified it at some other point in the interview.

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        • dawndoe says:

          I forgot to say, I heard some anchor on FOX say his mother said he went to a Trump rally.

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        • deqwik2 says:

          I read it in the Toledo Blaze. Their reporter was the first person to talk to his mother & actually was the one that told his mother what had happened. She didn’t know. I thought that was sad.
          His mother said he told her he was going to an alt-right rally & she didn’t know what type of rally it was & thought it might have something to do with Trump.

          From yesterday:
          Samantha Bloom, Mr. Fields’ mother, told a Blade reporter her son texted her Friday to say he had dropped his cat off at her Monclova Township apartment so he could go to an “alt-right” rally in Virginia.

          “I told him to be careful,” Ms. Bloom said. “[And] if they’re going to rally to make sure he’s doing it peacefully.”

          It didn’t appear that happened, she said tearfully.

          She had returned from dinner Saturday evening unaware that her son was involved and had not yet been contacted by authorities.

          He had told her about the rally last week, but didn’t offer details about its extremist nature.

          “I thought it had something to do with Trump,” she said.

          She said he had moved out of her apartment “five or six months ago” to his own Maumee apartment, but she declined to give the address. Ms. Bloom said they moved to northwest Ohio from Florence, Kentucky, about a year ago for her job.
          ———————————————————————————–
          Today they have a video clip of her posted & she mentions alt-right.

          http://www.toledoblade.com/Nation/2017/08/12/Hundreds-face-off-ahead-of-white-nationalist-rally.html

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      The photo looks like it was photo shopped, his head doesn’t look like it fits with the neck and the coloring of his face is to clear compared to the rest.

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  33. psadie says:

    Stunning video of Faith Goldy who was covering the march and walking in the crowd when the car rammed the people. A tweet of the police said they don’t think the car ramming was malicious…the driver was scared because the rioters surrounded his car and became violent.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-12/caught-tape-car-plows-virginia-crowd-multiple-injuries

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  34. Troublemaker10 says:

    Follow the entire thread, 32 posts (some are video drone links). It does raise some questions.

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    • georgiafl says:

      I smell typical See Eye Ay engineered chaos/violence with President Trump and his base as the target to blame. I believe both the White supremacist and Antifa groups have been infiltrated by agents to create the events.

      Notice how quickly the media had comparison photos with Hitler? Note how quickly Rubio, Ryan, McCain, McMullin piped up attacking Donald Trump, blaming him for the violence?

      Deep State and Globalist plot all the way.

      Wonder if the Fields guy is really a Republican, was in town for the rally or just happened to be there.

      OR if he is on drugs or mentally ill, a tool manipulated and used by the Deep State?

      OR was Fields an actual agency agent? The speeding forward a whole block looks very intentional and speeding in reverse driving skill looks atypical of normal driver ability.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        You don’t need all the crazy to explain what happened. Right to protest was fought in courts, so protest was known in advance. In true dirt bag style, counter protesters planned to attack protesters, and tipped off the news.

        But note that the establishment is being protested. They tried to stop the protests but lost. Then the establishment enabled the attacks. They have put themselves in legal jeopardy. But the law is part of the establishment, so that may not be allowed.

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        • georgiafl says:

          Still smells of manipulation by folks not there on behalf of elites ($0r0$ and his minions, including McCain and Graham, Kasich and all who have accepted Soros $$$.

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        • georgiafl says:

          I don’t mean current CIA working under Trump, but Obama/Bush I globalist agenda ex-CIA – such as McMullin and the guy who helped divert votes from Carson during the Primary – and CIA tactics used by globalist technicians, online, in the media and on the streets.

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  35. Troublemaker10 says:

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  40. Troublemaker10 says:

    From the Daily Mail link:

    Pictured marching with white supremacists moments before attack: Murder suspect, 20, accused of plowing his car into protesters at anti- fascist rally in Virginia, killing one and injuring 19

    Photos of Fields at the march showed him marching with racist right-wing group Vanguard America

    Vanguard America has released a statement claiming that Fields was not an official member despite him being pictured marching with members of the group.

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    • He looks out of place like an imposter.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Film of the driver shows him going one full block at high speed into the crowd and a full block at high speed in reverse – unusual reverse driving skills worthy of movie stunt driver or secret service/trained agent.

      Liked by 3 people

      • JohnP says:

        “……..unusual reverse driving skills worthy of movie stunt driver or secret service/trained agent.”

        You’re wrong on that Georgia, driving like an idiot is mandatory if you are male, under 30, and packing horsepower.

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        • georgiafl says:

          Can all males under 30 drive a block at high speed in reverse.

          Liked by 1 person

          • KBR says:

            If
            1)the wheels are straight and
            2)aligned with a straight street,
            3)the steering is gripped and not turned,
            4)the car is in reverse, and you stomp the gas…

            You can’t NOT do it. No specialized training required.

            I have a few questions about this photo from zerohedge which *seems* to have been taken right after the car hit the gas in reverse:

            First I think it shows the car in reverse b/c of the guy on the trunk of the car.

            1) To me it doesn’t look as if he was thrown back there from the front of the car.
            2) b/c There is a guy very near him standing there, (seems to have hands up as if planning on taking picture?): did standing guy also get thrown from front and just happen to land on his feet ready to take a photo or video?

            So, If trunk-guy was behind the car, why was he there? To surround and attack the car while standing guy videotaped?
            The other guy in the air, was he coming forward to attack the car at the moment it was slammed into reverse?

            Note the BLM signs in the crowd.

            All I know is, if I were in a crowd that had turned violent and I got to my car to leave, and violent people surrounded my car I would not *want* to stop and let them attack me, disable my car so they could potentially drag me into the street and potentially beat me or set me afire. (recalling Charlotte riots videos, also BLM, during campaign)

            In incidents before, drivers who stopped were endangered by the rioters. Remember the rioters on the highways and in the streets, even interstates, in Charlotte and other places during the campaign?

            Many people here said back then that they would not stop but would plough through a rioting crowd. Well…what say you all now?

            Whether or not this guy was a 20 year old expert see-ay-a (who had trained all throughout his high school years with the Ohio branch of see-ay-a to become an expert reverse-driver) remains to be discovered I guess. Maybe.

            But I just don’t see it happening that way. (Maybe if he was 30-something I might: time for training post-21-years.) And payers of money(so ros) to kids would have to be paying a lot to get a kid to deliberately kill people in front of cameras where he might be locked up for life.

            I think he panicked. But time might tell. Or not…since the press has already gone loco, and the Charlottesville mayor and VA governor are dimms.

            And since the ol racecard PC slinking around under the concious-mind surface of every indoctrinated American, is revived hereby, the left will surely bring it back from the dead like a Frankenstein.

            BTW: I think BLM is a hate group and racist group who claim white lives do not matter, thus are “black supremacists,” and are no better than “white supremacists.”

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        • georgiafl says:

          I’ve been wrong many times.

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      • KBR says:

        Or of someone who is into cars, or street racing, perhaps.

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      • Rejuvenated says:

        What video did you see? I watched a clip from an NBC drone and it makes no sense- a purple vehicle is seen plowing through the crowd to an intersection then it changes angles and suddenly there’s the gray car there behind it (and no visible damage on the rear of the purple car in earlier footage which you would expect if it was rammed forward)

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  41. KBR says:

    Getting down to law and order:
    People who have a permit to protest, that is they have followed the law and got a permit,
    are legal protestors.
    People who have no permit, and have not even asked for a permit, but come out to stop a legal, permitted protest, are illegal rioters.

    Permits are issued to avoid just this kind of fighting in the streets. Enforce the permits.

    MSM says the car who ran into the rioter-crowd (there are some who say out of no intent, but due to intimidation by the rioters) ran into “protestors.” Apparently the car ran into rioters upon being intimidated and possibly run off the street by other rioters with torches and weapons.

    MSM calls the illegal rioters protestors, but having sought not received permit to protest, they are not protestors but illegal rioters.

    The illegal rioters should have been rounded up and jailed from the get-go. People who crossed state lines to riot illegally should have been especially held accountable. Their fingerprints should have been taken which would have likely shown some to have records for similar rioting-terrorist activity.

    LAW and ORDER.

    Enforcing the law in Charlottesville (enforcing permit law) would have maintained order.

    Failure to enforce this (permit) law created this chaos.

    Imagine if people in government were debating removing the Lincoln Memorial.
    1)Would Americans who obtained a permit to protest that action be called “rioters?”

    2)Would those who “crashed the protest” illegally with no permit, carrying torches and weapons be called “protesters?”

    The only black and white that needs to be studied here is the letter of law.

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  42. georgiafl says:

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    • georgiafl says:

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      • wheatietoo says:

        As Millie Weaver was narrating her videos, she mentioned that she “keeps seeing some of the same people” at these things, giving instructions to the others.

        She wondered out loud if they were “deep state” operatives.

        Millie has gone to a lot of these things all over the country.

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  43. Donna in Oregon says:

    I so don’t care about all this fabricated racial bullshiite. This is just another ruse to control America. I see no difference between Charles Manson and this media hype.

    It’s hel·ter-skel·ter time again? Nope, not for me.

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  44. Dora says:

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  45. TwoLaine says:

    Sunday Funnies. 🙂
    A Proud Daddy to his Daughter. ❤

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