Gordon Chang: President Trump “Fire and Fury” Comments Intended for China Not North Korea…

Apparently CTH and Asian expert Gordon Chang are on the same intellectual page in analysis of the ongoing North Korea issues.  In this interview Mr. Chang outlines the dynamic between U.S. President Trump, North Korean President Kim Jong-un and Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Gordon Chang also agrees that mounting economic pressure on China will be the pathway to getting the DPRK into line.

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The North Korean commentariat today has all been centered around a “response” to a precipitous strike by the United States. As previously outlined by Secretary Tillerson, via the “four no’s”, and backed up by the entire U.S. policy team, there is no intent on the U.S. to initiate a North Korean regime change. That leverage approach is China’s to utilize; while we hold China accountable.

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107 Responses to Gordon Chang: President Trump “Fire and Fury” Comments Intended for China Not North Korea…

  1. Space Needle says:

    Let the big dog EAT! Wilburine is thirsty!

    Liked by 10 people

  2. Sylvia Avery says:

    Listen, if Gordon Chang and General Jack Keane agree with Sundance about the Nork/China situation, we’re golden. Let the rest of the punditry say what they will, we have the truth.

    Liked by 24 people

  3. Charles White says:

    Not as bold or insightful as CTH/Sundance (or many comments), but a good start.

    Liked by 3 people

    • fleporeblog says:

      Here is the key that even Gordon may not realize!

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/08/09/icymi-united-states-rapidly-becoming-net-exporter-natural-gas-first-time?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wh_20170809_na

      From the article linked above:

      “New Census Bureau data show that, by value, the United States was again a net exporter in June 2017, selling about $593 million worth of natural gas to the world while importing $566 million via gas pipelines from Canada and as liquefied natural gas. … With new pipeline and LNG export capacity coming online soon, the United States should close out 2017 as a net exporter of natural gas, a situation that hasn’t been seen since 1957, according to EIA.”

      That’s according to data from the Census Bureau and the U.S. Energy Information Administration. While imports of gas are flat or falling, exports continue to rise, and the data give weight to government analysts’ conviction that the United States is on track to become a net energy exporter, possibly as soon as within a decade.

      Cheniere Energy’s Sabine Pass became the first major LNG exporting hub to commence shipments since the shale gas boom. That facility is now poised to expand export capacity. Freeport LNG south of Houston expects to begin liquefaction and shipments in late 2018 or early 2019. Dominion Energy’s Cove Point LNG in Maryland will be in service by the end of this year, the company says. More projects are coming in Corpus Christi, Texas; elsewhere in the Gulf of Mexico region; and at Georgia’s Elba Island.

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    • Texian says:

      Exactly.. Because he got it from Sundance/CTH first..

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  4. fleporeblog says:

    These reporters are really that dumb! They have been so consumed with Muh Russia and taking out our President that they have totally missed everything our President has done to get us to this point. I don’t think they are hiding it. I really believe they have been so conditioned on our President being a novice that there is no way he has solved a riddle that three previous administrations have failed to recognize.

    When Gordon said we have time, Fox decided to show how long it would take. Nuke from hitting Hawaii, LA, Chicago and NYC. They really are hoping our President decides to go all in so they can say we told you so about his temperament.

    The day China rolls into NK and kills Fat Man for the world to see, people will be left flabbergasted 😲 that our President was able to defuse the greatest threat to the US. They will be shocked that as part of the agreement we remove our troops from SK and either place them in Japan, Guam or have them come home. Our scientists and military will be in NK to make sure every last weapon is destroyed.

    Our President will tweet that it was complicated but he promised he would get it done and right after tweet IRAN is now on the clock!

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    • SB says:

      Flex, do you really think that the last three administrations “failed to recognize ” this? Or rather, they pretended not to know I order to facilitate their aims.

      PDJT is simply calling the kettle Black, and then dealing with it. Imagine that!?!

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      • Ausonius says:

        Politicians are practically always about maintaining the status quo, or if they have the majority, about pushing their agenda, and therefore pushing their own power. MAObama is an example of the second, Republicans in Congress examples of the former.

        President Trump is NOT a politician, therefore actually solving problems, rather than “managing them,” (i.e. keeping the status quo while pretending to “work toward a solution”) is something he hopes to do. However, Dem politicians (following the agenda/power line) and Republican politicians (following the “status quo maintenance” line) will be opposing him.

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      • fleporeblog says:

        SB I want to give those morons the benefits of the doubt but you are probably right!

        Liked by 1 person

    • olderwiser21 says:

      Fle – we can only hope….that would be wonderful!

      Liked by 1 person

    • Some Old Guy says:

      Even if China were to take that route (i.e., eliminate Kim, etc.), I think we must have full transparency as to the NK nukes, all their fissionable material, and a full understanding of their nuclear program or I have a feeling, we may re-experience this another day. It has to be fully dealt with now. Consequently, I believe the solution ultimately requires regime change, hopefully on a more peaceful basis.

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    • Knew I came back to this site for a reason. Thanks for that. I’m being sold insane “Trump will nuke” agenda here my MSM. Got enough on my plate already without their horrific scare tactics.

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  5. trapper says:

    Now that he recognizes that we are speaking to China in our statements, how long before it dawns on him that the Nork utterances and threats we respond to are in actuality Chinese utterances and threats? Nork is just the telephone.

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  6. I never trusted China, and it may sound tin foil hat of me to say I believe China assisted N. Korea with nuclear technology.

    This piece is very interesting, it’s was written by Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagel 1998.

    Excert:
    The Democrats’ Largest Contributor

    U.S. intelligence discovered in 1993 that China had sold missile technology to Pakistan. Because of bipartisan Congressional demands, Clinton barred the U.S. space industry from using Chinese rockets to launch their satellites. U.S. satellites were put on the “munitions” list, the list of our most sensitive military and intelligence-gathering technology. The reason these commercial satellites are important is because they carry technological secrets essential to “significant military and intelligence interests.”

    In June 1994, the CEO of Loral Space and Communications, Bernard Schwartz, made a $100,000 contribution to the Democratic National Committee. He then joined a Ron Brown trip to China that led to a $250 million telecommunications deal for Loral’s satellites to be launched by Chinese rockets.

    In October 1994, Clinton lifted the sanctions he had imposed on China for selling missile technology to Pakistan. In early 1995, Schwartz sent a letter to Clinton urging that responsibility for satellite-export licenses be shifted from the State Department to the Commerce Department. Meanwhile, both Schwartz and Johnny Chung made more huge donations, in excess of $100,000, to the Democratic Party.

    http://eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html

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  7. big bad mike says:

    2 days after President Truman issued his Fire and Fury warning we dropped FAT MAN on Nagasaki. A week later we received the Unconditional Surrender from Japan. Two weeks after that the first US troops landed in Japan. All this happened in August of 1945.

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    • Kaco says:

      Yes, and this was Truman’s quote on that:

      “If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth.”

      Some have pointed out the similarities of PT’s quote to Truman’s and yet they criticize PT saying it.

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      • rf121 says:

        At the time Truman made the quote they did not realize what was being delivered. That is why they are so conserned now.

        Ever stood in Peace Park in Nagasaki or toured the museum there? Maybe you should so you will get a better idea what 100,000’s of dead civilians looks like.

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        • Kaco says:

          I wasn’t being flippant, we all know what is meant, but NK is threatening us with like weapons and it obviously implies how we’d retaliate if they dare try. I don’t think we’d be striking first.

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        • Jim in TN says:

          Yes I have. But I never got the chance to tour the park that commemorates the millions of Japanese that would have starved to death or committed suicide before the drawn out conclusion of that horrible war. Nor those who would have been plain murdered by the Soviets as they invaded the North as we invaded the South.

          Nor the masses of cemeteries of the many hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen who died in our two invasions of Japan. Invasions that were totally predicted by the Japanese. As many as a million deaths were predicted.

          Nor have I seen the parks that celebrate the tearing down of the wall which marked the decades of tension between North and South Japan. Nor the suffering that the North endured, just like all other Soviet satellites.

          When they put up a park that shows you the suffering of their victims, victims in every land they took over, victims of every nationality, victims of crimes committed as bad as those of the doctors in German death camps, then I might start to give equal weight to the much smaller number who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

          Was there even a hint of self guilt presented when you toured? Or was it all designed to guilt you?

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          • Coldeadhands says:

            This is a message that has faded since 1945. All this is available for anyone who cares to examine history.
            I can only hope your concise statement removes the scales from some people’s eyes.

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        • Oh the horror of us Americans. Japanese were saints and so innocent. /s

          http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Japanese-ate-Indian-PoWs-used-them-as-live-targets-in-WWII/articleshow/40017577.cms

          Read this article as just one known example and maybe you can take a moment to thank our country for ending the madness.
          I know, understand and empathize with the very valid argument – but people of Hiroshima / Nagasaki were innocent civilians. I guess I would go with the intelligence of the generals and COC at the time on why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen as the target – you cannot deny their intelligence since the war ended within hours post the bombing.
          Do you think our generals, COC or the pilots did not have regret for the bombings? You bet privately they must have but you think the fine folks in Japanese army mentioned in the article above had any regrets?
          Or let us flip the table – what would have happen if Japanese had the bombs and United States was the target? Will I be wrong to guess that there would have been many more bombings unlike just two?

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  8. This whole NK having nukes all of a sudden just does not pass my smell test. Funny how the NK missiles and the U.S. And Chinese negotiations are happening at the same time. Hahaha

    Why would China want the US to strike NK? Does China also agree with the deep state who wants our POTUS removed from office?

    When trillions are at stake, anything is possible.

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    • Kaco says:

      I don’t know but I have wondered if China has been using crazy NK as leverage and playing stupid. I’m sure PT knows, and is playing the game.

      Liked by 2 people

    • olderwiser21 says:

      I agree – it is very suspicious…..

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    • EbonyRapror says:

      I’m not sure what you mean by “This whole NK having nukes all of a sudden”. NK has been working toward having a nuclear arsenal for a long time. Maybe by “all of a sudden” you mean the missile testing NK has done recently?

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      • I’m confident the person means “the sudden leak of an analysis saying NK has a working missile-mountable warhead compatible with its (so-called) ICBM because otherwise it wouldn’t be doing all these launches.’

        Apparently some western analysts have never read Sun Tzu or know what a bluff is.

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    • luke says:

      I think China may be the one with the problem. They have a set of values in the East most of us find strange or foreign. This is stereotypical but they are almost robotic in nature. I believe China cannot control the New Kim on the block. When China said jump His father and grandfather said “how high.” I think this guy is different and he is bringing dishonor to President Xi. Lil Kim may be biting the hand that feeds him. I guess time will tell.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        You have it exactly correct about Kim and China. He has disrespected China, President Xi, the Chinese Communist Party, the PLA and the Chinese People. He has zero support in China. They support the Communist Party of NK, not the regime of the Kim family. The support the people of NK. President Xi would love to have Kim “gone”.

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  9. Reality Wins says:

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    • litlbit2 says:

      “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”, “you can kept your doctor and your plan”, “I did not send classified information” “it was the video”, “we will repeal and replace Obamacare”, “election over, Hillary wins” etc

      Houston we have a problem!

      LIARS

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  10. M33 says:

    I LOVE that our nuclear arsenal was modernized!
    Hopefully no more 5″floppy discs and DOS systems!

    Liked by 5 people

    • Blue Ridge Mts Va. says:

      And no more Winders XP PCs!

      Liked by 3 people

    • John says:

      Dos is pretty stable. Hope it’s not connected to the internet.

      Liked by 4 people

    • The old s/w was isolated. Personally, I trust it more. It was developed during a time was safety was taken seriously, not by gamers.

      Do you like the idea of your car’s engine and steering being connected to the internet?

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      • Tom says:

        There’s nothing wrong with DOS, it was a good OS for what it did. I’m not comfortable with a computer that controls nuclear ICBMs running other, non-related programs. I’ve seen a lot of bad code in my day.

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        • forjava1 says:

          Yes, DOS has earned respect that grows as time passes. Today, we see inexperienced, immature, self-infatuated “engineers” writing vital software and supervising the development. Anything can happen…

          People generally don’t even know the full capabilities of DOS. For example, mathematically, it implements recursion! More importantly, DOS was copied from the work of Dr. Gary Kildall, an adult and a pioneer of enduring architecture.

          You would not want a Microsoft o/s running operational military systems, even with today’s solid-state storage, for so many reasons. For example, testing software built on Windows is not feasible.

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          • kp3ace says:

            All of those computer programmers were replaced with foreigners at least 10 years ago. A lot of them were forced to train them to take over their jobs. I watched quite a few of those programmers start truck driving careers.

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  11. robertnotsowise says:

    Chang has been on the John Batchelor show all night. They had an interesting interview who says the nukes are provided by china with help from Pakistan. I’ll post the podcast when it becomes available

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  12. Jedinovice says:

    I have to say, this is the data I was looking for. This is a relief.

    I like Korea and Japanese pop culture and I am looking for Japan’s eventual conversion to Christ. I do not want to see either Seoul or Tokyo splattered; apart from the harm to the already brutalised North Korean people.

    So… silly, happy dance! Please bring your spring onions… [It’s a long story.]

    Oooh! And thanks for the data Sundance. This is the kind of reply to my query I needed so I am grateful.

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  13. xyzlatin says:

    It is interesting that NK is now actually not targeting Guam, but the ocean 40 miles from Guam. What happened to it’s threats to hit South Korea? Remember?

    This is actually a big back down by NK and nobody has noticed it.

    “The Hwasong-12 rockets to be launched by the KPA [Korean People’s Army] will cross the sky above Shimani, Hiroshima and Koichi prefectures of Japan,” the statement said. “They will fly for 3,356.7 km for 1,065 seconds and hit the waters 30 to 40km away from Guam.”

    The statement said the plan for this show of force would be ready by the middle of this month and then await orders from the commander-in-chief, Kim Jong-un.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/10/north-korea-details-guam-strike-trump-load-of-nonsense

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  14. xyzlatin says:

    My comment seems to have disappeared so I will post it again: I think an important point is being missed by everyone.
    It is interesting that NK is now actually not targeting Guam, but the ocean 40 miles from Guam. What happened to it’s plan to hit South Korea? Remember?

    This is actually a big back down by NK and nobody has noticed it.

    “The Hwasong-12 rockets to be launched by the KPA [Korean People’s Army] will cross the sky above Shimani, Hiroshima and Koichi prefectures of Japan,” the statement said. “They will fly for 3,356.7 km for 1,065 seconds and hit the waters 30 to 40km away from Guam.”

    The statement said the plan for this show of force would be ready by the middle of this month and then await orders from the commander-in-chief, Kim Jong-un.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/10/north-korea-details-guam-strike-trump-load-of-nonsense

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    • rf121 says:

      They do not have the accuracy so they are just widening the target zone and hoping they can hit it. If they do launch then the war will be on.

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      • xyzlatin says:

        Na, they have already backed down. As I see it, they are narrowing the “target zone” from all the population centres, to a spot in the ocean 40 miles from nowhere, and they have put the decision to the never never time.

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    • xyzlatin says:

      And when you analyse this, the NK have gone from threatening to wipe out SK, nuke Hawaii or Alaska, and mainland USA, to putting some bombs into the Ocean 40 miles from nowhere (well Guam is somewhere but it is hardly anywhere with a large population which all the previous threats have been about).

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  15. Troublemaker10 says:

    When I heard Trump use that expression, “fire and fury” I knew right away that was the expression used by our Generals when discussing NK options with Trump.

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  16. Troublemaker10 says:

    The Gov of Guam had no problems with Trump’s language, in fact he was glad to hear it. He did, however, have trouble with Lindsay Graham’s statement.

    Gov Calvo also said this wasn’t the first time NK has made direct threats to Guam. They have made similar threats 3 or 4 other times going back as far as 2013.

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  17. wolfmoon1776 says:

    These tweets are very important – the second one in relationship to the Global Times article.

    The first one:

    I think he’s playing tag with Kim on that one. But a nice reminder to China, too. Building up all kinds of ambiguity, and the sucker press just spreads it around like toddlers in liquid chocolate.

    But this one is special:

    After reading the Global Times article, it was clear that China is fixated on being number one. They try to schmooze that out of view, but it’s clear where their strategy leads.

    I think that THIS tweet is a message to China, that if they think they can push the US to #2 status, they have another thing coming. Trump is saying it more military, but he is MEANING it in all ways, because we know Trump, and economically WILL be at the top of the list.

    SO – multiple things needed for China to BE #1 – like getting the US to pull out of a presence in East Asia – are simply not going to happen under Trump. In fact, he’s not even going to allow movement in that direction. THAT is a complete refutation of China’s strategy. Trump is saying “not gonna happen”.

    Glorious!

    And a further beauty of the tweet – he’s calling them out. Anything happens that “removes Trump as an obstacle” is now linked to CHINA, and Trump standing up to China. They want things to get WORSE?

    Be our guest. Make Trump’s day.

    Personally, I think Chang WANTS this to be economic, but I think he’s concerned underneath the cool exterior that it could go hot. My reading of him is that he’s “leading by example” away from military, and saying “lots of options economically – why I’m not even talking about military – see??? SEE???” That message goes to China, too. Be smart, people.

    Trump’s bottom line is no Chinese supremacy. Let’s see how THAT goes down. If it does. I think the response will be “OK, guys. Back to the ‘we agree (and cheat)’ mode.”

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    • Ad rem says:

      Another one retrieved from the evil bin….. 😦

      Liked by 2 people

      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Thanks!

        Want to add a PS on this tweet:

        I believe that the message is especially meant to burn China. Who degraded our nuclear capability? China’s stooges, Clinton and Obama. Things got especially bad under Obama, whose lackey press also loved to highlight the Obama-created failings of our nuclear weapons arsenals and soldiers (typical communist humiliation of the victim).

        Trump was sending a clear message. “We fixed Obama’s sabotage. Don’t count on it.”

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      • jeans2nd says:

        Hmmm…the Evil Bin. So that is why I kept ending up there. Just knew those folks were on to me. And we thought we were anonymous (ok, that is a lie lolol).

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    • Ziiggii says:

      Just to add some gas to the “Fire and Fury” – NBC News did a ‘briliant’ Fact Check on

      My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal.

      FTA:

      Let’s break it down and review the facts.

      Trump ordered a rebuilding of the American military and assessing its readiness on January 27th, a week into office. In that order, Trump called for a “Nuclear Posture Review,” an analysis designed to help the new administration understand its existing arsenal and how it meets strategic needs.

      Neither have any direct effect on the nuclear arsenal that the nation has today.

      “Under the Constitution, Congress controls nuclear modernization as part of its power to organize, equip, and fund of our armed forces. President Trump’s requests related to nuclear weapons modernization have not yet passed Congress, and nothing he has done would even begin to take effect until 2018,” said Rep. Adam Smith, ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee, in an email.

      http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/how-much-time-trump-spends-trump-properties-mar-lago-n753366

      Seriously, all these idiots need to read “Art of the Deal”! Does no one understand how to sell things these days?

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Thanks for that. AMAZING that he would actually get push-back. “Teh media” are just nasty.

        Typical media vise. Call you a liar unless you spill more details where our adversaries – or their treasonous American allies (including the presstitutes) – can see them.

        SPIT!

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  18. Troublemaker10 says:

    Gillian Turner was Natl Security Council staff under Presidents Bush & Obama

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  19. n1ghtcr4wler says:

    I hate the msm. all they write is how Tillerson and Mattis had to correct and clarify Trumps statements when they didnt correct them at all. only because they msm doesnt understand geopolitics or lies about it, doesnt mean that people are too stupid too understand it.

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  20. trapper says:

    Just as Reagan’s arms race with the Soviet Union caused that communist regime to blow up and disintegrate, we may be witnessing the beginning of the end of the Chinese communist regime, the last significant anachronistic vestige of the 19th Century atheistic socialism of that old fraud Karl Marx. Of course, the aging American atheist socialists who enabled and fed and sold out to that communist regime are having the vapors over President Trump’s full frontal assault upon it, sensing its impending doom. But they are irrelevant. Its collapse is inevitable.

    Most of the rest of the world outside China believes in God and follows one of the Abrahamic religions. In this respect, America has common cause with Russia, the Middle East, Europe, a large part of Africa, and the rest of the Western Hemisphere. Even other parts of Asia follow religions that involve some form of spirituality that sets them apart from the materialist atheism of the Chinese communissts. The Chinese communist regime is the odd man out, a dead hollowed-out trunk of a burned out tree. It WILL fall. It is inevitable. And the statements and actions of President Trump and his team are the axe blows at its base.

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    • DoggyDaddy says:

      China has 4,000 years of history and traditions and over 2700 years of Confucianism. The Chinese have been conquered by nearly everybody (Mongols, Manchus, even Europeans got their pound of flesh from China), but in the end the sheer weight of the Chinese civilization has conquered the conquerors — some were overcome quickly, others took longer. Communism, as you point out, is just the latest of the conquerors who are doomed to succumb to the civilization — less than 100 years in power is hardly a blink of the eye in Chinese history.

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  21. I immediately saw that Trump was broadcasting his “fire and fury” warning not just to North Korea (which is hopelessly stupid and insane to boot), but to China.

    To state it another way: “China, either you take care of your f**king dog, or I will.”

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  22. You ever get the feeling China is rubbing our faces in the South China Sea dispute by having the DPRK violate other countries with missile landings in their waters?

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  23. Michael says:

    China with crazy on it’s doorstep with nukes must be a tense place.
    Can China in fact make Kim do anything?
    Is Kim playing chess or truly as psycho as he looks from here?
    First lesson of crazy. Never mess with a crazy as you cannot anticipate what crazy might do.

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  24. jbrickley says:

    The Left is losing their minds as their media hypes up the nuclear fear. Same thing they did with Reagan. Did you know that Trump has the nuclear launch codes? Look at his Fire & Fury comment, doesn’t that scare you that he might actually nuke NK? Oh my gawd, we are all going to die! Reports that China and Russia are asking for calm.

    Duh, every president has access to the nuclear football which is a briefcase that goes wherever the POTUS travels. He’s always seconds away from launching nuclear war. There are multiple footballs both as a backup and redundancy (Vice President, Speaker of the House, etc.) but only the sworn in POTUS has the authority. This is public knowledge, anyone who thinks he needs to check with others before he authorizes the use of nuclear weapons is smoking something. As to Trumps Fire & Fury comment? Well DJT does not blink in negotiations, he is making it clear to NK you attack and you are done. We will hit you with everything we’ve got and there is nothing off the table, including nuclear arms. I am pretty sure we still have the Neutron Bomb which will destroy much at a smaller ground zero but spread deadly short-lived radiation much further killing humans and not destroying infrastructure. We also have EMP weapons and much smaller cruise missile tactical nukes as well as ground penetrating nukes (bunker busters). Plus quite a bit of classified stuff like advanced aircraft. The first time the F-117 Stealth bombers were deployed in the first Iraq War in 1991 was the first widespread official confirmation of their existence and proof of their effectiveness. They were in active use for a long long time prior, since 1981! If you don’t think we have much more advanced technology you are smoking something. I sleep very well at night, especially with DJT at the helm, I was worried about Obama removing these deterrents and big sticks as they are the only thing keeping the USA safe. I have been worried during the Clinton years because he actually gave NK nuclear reactors and fuel. How dumb was that? He also gave the Chinese missile tech that they immediately turned into ICBMs. Can you imagine the damage Hillary might have wrought?

    Meanwhile, China is the real problem and they are going to start feeling the pressure as more and more chess pieces are moved on the board. Economic pressure is highly effective. China’s threats are not strong threats as they won’t hurt by comparison to the hammer the Trump Administration is swinging. Attacking the Chinese on the financial, trade, and economic avenues with incremental turns of the screw is going to send a very strong yet very subtle message that will get louder with every turn of the screw. That message, is we are not taking anymore of your crap. We have the real power and we are willing to exercise it. We can do this the easy way where you can continue to profit or we can do this the hard way where you are brought to your knees. The only leverage we have with NK is to use military force but before it comes down to that, the Chinese are going to realize they are dealing with a real super power with a strong leader. For too long we have been timid and foolish at the negotiating table; that is no longer the case. Watch, you will see every turn of the screw over the coming weeks, months, etc. It won’t be reported on much by the mainstream press but its definitely happening already.

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  25. DoggyDaddy says:

    I think China may read President Trump’s “fire and fury” comments differently. Up to now, the talk has been about preventing NK from having nuclear-armed ICBMs. Trump’s remark can be read as acquiescing to a reality of NK having such a weapon, but if NK uses or threatens an immediate use of such a weapon, the US would level NK.

    In other words, does Trump’s remark mean the US concedes a NK nuke-ICBM and will take no action against NK unless NK takes military action against the US? China may well read that from Trump’s remark. If that’s the message Trump intended to send to China and coupled with Tillerson’s remarks denying a US interest in overt NK regime change, then the Chinese may be more willing now to talk with the US about options on how to deal with NK’s regime since China will believe the US will not take military action to prevent NK’s possession of such weaponry.

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