Sunday Talks: Michael Needham Discusses How To Remove Congressional Bailouts…

Michael Needham appears on Fox Weekend News to discuss a possibility of President Trump removing the tax-payer funded subsidies for individual members of congress, and their staff, that allows them to avoid feeling the cost of ObamaCare.

Yesterday President Trump tweeted he was considering removing this carve-out (bailout) and force congress to pay for their health insurance at the same rates as the rest of the country. There is massive support for such action.

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A second fox news discussion segment on the same issue:

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116 Responses to Sunday Talks: Michael Needham Discusses How To Remove Congressional Bailouts…

  1. joshua says:

    MAGA

    Just DO IT NOW….before we get all bogged down in North Korea, etc.

    Teach the Congressional Dog to heel, and then to go fetch the stick and bring it back to POTUS.

    Liked by 32 people

    • scott467 says:

      “ITSELF”

      ________________

      I’m going to go WAY out on a limb here and guess you did NOT write “ITSELF” at the beginning of your post (which would make no sense at all), but instead you actually wrote ‘W O W!’.

      Yet it shows up on my browser as “ITSELF”.

      Same thing happened to me here a few days ago.

      Very strange…

      .

      Liked by 1 person

      • scott467 says:

        Momentarily, as the screen refreshed after I posted, the “ITSELF” in your original post changed to the word “MAGA”, but then changed back to “ITSELF”.

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        • janc1955 says:

          Weird. Every one of your posts that I’ve seen ends with a bit of white space and a period, like this.

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          • scott467 says:

            Weird. Every one of your posts that I’ve seen ends with a bit of white space and a period, like this.

            ________

            I’m doing that part on purpose, lol!

            Old habit from early days of forums, and trying to have enough ‘white space’ around text so it didn’t post in ‘block form’ running into the following post (mine or someone else’s).

            Putting a space followed by a ‘.’ (period) would ensure a white space below your last words.

            I will try to break the habit 🙂

            Liked by 1 person

    • tellthetruth2016 says:

      Yes,. Now that McNasty is eat up with brain cancer, Let’s see how he feels when HIS out of pocket goes up, OR HE has to actually pay his own insurance payments instead of us …..

      Liked by 5 people

      • hippielouie says:

        some of these guys r soooo wealthy it wouldn’t matter

        Liked by 2 people

        • AmericaFirst says:

          scott That is what I think too. Believe I read that their subsidy is about $12,000, and, with what they rake in from the lobbyists, they could pretty much lose that and not even notice.

          Liked by 1 person

        • ver2cal says:

          Rich people generally stay rich by keeping a close eye on the money. Although I believe they can afford, I am certain they notice immediately and be pissed it was taken. Rich people don’t like things taken back from them just like they always complain about poor people not wanting it to happen.

          Liked by 2 people

        • mw says:

          It’ll still piss em off

          Liked by 1 person

        • All American Snowflake says:

          McNasty divorced his crippled wife and remarried a wealthy one.

          Liked by 2 people

        • carrierh says:

          They can afford it, but their staff will also lose out and they will complain. In any case, NO one in Congress should have a special insurance deal under ACA, PERIOD! The didn’t fight for us, so as our employees, they should be paying as so many of us were forced to pay whether for insurance or as a fine for not. They can also pay for their staff members since they have made millionaires of themselves with all those outsider bribes!

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          • scott467 says:

            No one in Congress should EVER be exempt from ANY law which they pass for the American People.

            Period.

            Without exception.

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      • McCain also has Medicare and Veteran’s health insurance. But his coverage for everything will end very soon…..if you know what I mean.

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        • Jedi9 says:

          Regardless of whether a deal is done or not, this still needs to happen no matter what. The intended result of announcing such measures is more than fodder for the UNI-party!

          Liked by 1 person

      • CaptainNonno says:

        He’s got plenty of donors. The pressure will come from staff who get zilch from donors.

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      • Coldeadhands says:

        I suspect that you just nailed the narrative from the McCain support camp. “How could you do this to a very sick American Hero?!” It’s up to us to hit back at this with all emphasis possible.
        You Washington trolls only give a damn when your own are affected, NOT when ordinary Americans suffer at the hands of Congressionally instituted Obamacare.

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    • Bill says:

      Since the Congressional bailout is nothing more than extortion and embezzlement of the US Treasury, these payments need to end Aug 1, along with termination of all existing policies since they were fraudulently established. Those signing the paperwork to allow their “business employees” to get subsided healthcare, need to be required to repay the loss themselves before they will be allowed to have any health insurance from any provider. The bloated staff may flee to safer turf if their “boss” is in any way reluctant.

      MAGA

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  2. ECM says:

    If he can do it, it should be done–in fact, *anything* the exec branch can do to make the lives of the legislative branch miserable should be done.

    Liked by 26 people

    • I agree…stop talking about it, just do it!

      Liked by 11 people

    • StormyeyesC says:

      eye for an eye this is war

      Liked by 8 people

      • Bendix says:

        He gave them every opportunity in the world to act right.
        No one can defend them having better than what they voted to force on their constituents.
        Even people who love Obamacare can’t excuse that.

        Liked by 10 people

        • flova says:

          Remember we are the battered conservatives. Threats and ultimatums mean nothing to the batterer, he laughs and keeps on hitting us. The only thing he understands is action!.

          Pres Trump has to know by now the slime in DC and their media hate us and him. We have money to redistribute, we are only good to them as long as we turn over our paychecks.

          It’s over. War!

          Liked by 5 people

      • imprimipotest says:

        Yes!

        But don’t just settle for one eye.

        Find any way to double or increase exponentially any and all burdens on Congress and the bureaucrats that they have imposed on the citizens.

        Liked by 5 people

    • scott467 says:

      “If he can do it, it should be done–in fact, *anything* the exec branch can do to make the lives of the legislative branch miserable should be done.”

      _________________

      Agreed.

      Cut a 12″ x 12″ patch out of the backside of each of their pants, slap some flammable tar-resin on their pasty cheeks, lit it on fire, and send them forth into the House and Senate chambers like Roman War Pigs.

      Need to think outside the box, and try things they don’t expect, that would have a real impact on their lives.

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      Liked by 5 people

    • Bruce Fauth says:

      Agree. Just like Obozo wanted to make US feel the pain with a shutdown, let Congress feel the pain NOW.

      Liked by 3 people

  3. HolyLoly says:

    President Trump should make it retroactive and claw back every penny of taxpayer money that has been spent to subsidize these hypocritical congress members’ health insurance since the passage of OCare in 2009.

    Liked by 28 people

  4. Pam says:

    I would suggest people take the time and listen to this. Dr. Siegel has some good insight here.

    Liked by 5 people

  5. TwoLaine says:

    This guy has some great ideas on how to make ObamaCare explode even faster. I posted it yesterday on the Johnny Songbird stabbed us in the back again story.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/28/john-mccain-casts-legacy-vote-against-american-people-votes-to-continue-obamacare/comment-page-8/#comment-4199973

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  6. Doug says:

    one there should never be congressional exemption from anything that the general public isnt exempt from.. those passing laws should abide by them… never understood this

    Liked by 15 people

  7. Emily Summer says:

    Congress should have to abide by the same laws they pass for the rest of us. No special perks for the people we elect to represent us. Maybe then we can get some good legislation.

    Liked by 5 people

  8. Jimmy Jack says:

    Do it Mr. President. Your supporters will love you forever for it and you’ll gain new supporters for standing up to crooks on both sides.

    Liked by 9 people

    • Wink says:

      Agreed! There are young people on the left that felt burned by Bernie for being a phony. They hate the established dems. They would love to get even.

      Liked by 2 people

  9. Katie says:

    Rush had a caller at the beginning of the week from a woman who is surrounded by lefties. She said she explained to about 20 people how Congress exempted themselves from this monstrosity. They ALL went from supportive for obamacare to outraged and disgusted.

    Her goal in telling Rush was the hope that the message would get to President Trump as the one way to bring the country together on this. In all cases, the people she talked to had NO idea that Congress did this for themselves.

    Please President Trump. JUST DO IT!!!

    Liked by 14 people

    • Bendix says:

      That’s an example of what Rush means when he talks about low information voters. This fact was out there, discussed in the news media here and there, but it didn’t make headlines like Bruce Jender or what color some dumb dress is, so they never heard about it.
      A few liberal types I know quibbled over the semantics, rather than admit to themselves the truth. An exemption does not have to be labeled as such. If you don’t have to do something someone else is compelled to do, you are EXEMPT.

      Liked by 4 people

    • Sharon says:

      Which answers the frequent question, “How on earth do these people get re-elected?”

      Their voting base – their target audience – is what’s wrong with this country. Their elections and re-elections are a symptom.

      Solve the ignorance and wilful stupidity of the electorate, they won’t be elected.

      Liked by 6 people

    • fred2w says:

      I had the same experience when I posted on Facebook President Trump ending the Congressional exemptions. A Facebook friend who days ago praised John McCain for not repealing Obamacare was FURIOUS that the Senator got an exemption.

      If President Trump goes through with his EO threat, I think my friend will proudly board the Trump Train.

      Liked by 4 people

  10. Donna in Oregon says:

    Suggestions for Capitol Hill: Drug dogs. Pull all the perks. Close the gym. Make them pay for every thing. Food, gym, parking. No freebies.

    Get down and dirty, and please be as petty as possible. Punitive measures will teach lessons much quicker than an election. Bad behavior should never be rewarded. Ever.

    Running it like a resort is inexcusable. This is a workplace, not a playground for the entitled political class. Treat them like servants.

    Liked by 13 people

  11. GForce says:

    Interested in the actual cost for these congressional subsidies. Is it $12,000.00 per person or all together? Does anyone have information on this? Would like to know just how much this actually cost since inception.

    Liked by 2 people

    • mimbler says:

      It is essentially the same subsidy all federal workers receive. The gov pays 2/3 of the cost of whichever plan they are on.

      So it would depend on which ocare plan the individual was on . The best plans are probably subsidized at approx 10000 per year (assuming total premium of 15000).

      Younger staffers might well choose a bare boned plan to save money, and would receive a lesser subsidy since total premium would be lower as well

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  12. vinchenzer says:

    Brilliant move on Pres Trump’s part. Do you really think the electorate is going to feel sorry for Con-gress? It was nonsense that these Statists shielded themselves from the “joys” of Obamacare anyway. And sticking it right to Creepy McCain would be the cherry on top.

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  13. Summer says:

    There should not be any “if you don’t…” IMO. Any bailouts of the “public servants” at the taxpayer expense are illegal and immoral.

    Do it, Mr. President. If they like their Obamacare, they can keep their Obamacare. Full price, sky high deductible, and, hopefully, no real coverage. They asked for it. Give it to them.

    Liked by 7 people

  14. Lunatic Fringe, Phd. [undocumented] says:

    Do it. Take away everything you can take away until the only people who would ever want to be a legislator are patriots.

    Liked by 6 people

    • mimbler says:

      I would rather leave them with enough to comfortably support their families (they do need to maintain two residences), so we can attract good people.

      What I would suggest cutting out is the legal graft where they siphon out campaign funds, put family on the payroll of the campaign, are allowed to keep leftover campaign funds when they quit. This is where the really big bucks come in that turn them all into multi millionaires.

      A comfortable upper middle class income wouldn’t interest these thieves. They are coming for the real loot,

      Mike

      Liked by 6 people

      • litlbit2 says:

        I disagree, they should live under the same laws as those who pay their wages. They also enjoy insider trading on stocks. Time to grow up for these people living in fantasy land.

        Liked by 2 people

        • mimbler says:

          Where did I say they shouldn’t live under the same laws as the rest of us? Not being argumentative, just don’t know where you got that impression.

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      • TPW says:

        Taking the subsidies from the legislators would not be that punitive to them they can afford it……..it is having to face the staffers who can’t afford the extra cost that will be punitive……

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        • mimbler says:

          Agreed, although knowing our congresscritters, I wouldn’t be surprised if they would just raise the pay by that amount for the staffers, and we taxpayers would still in essence be paying the subsidy,

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      • carrierh says:

        Sorry, a House republican wanted a bill that all would work out of their home state/city and do business as done in today’s world by real time videos which makes sense because we could get a decent salary, maybe 2 assistants and let them do the work of reading and knowing what was to be done, and we could keep an eye on them. No need to be in DC since unless the start of our Republic (we are NOT, thank God, a democracy) on horses and donkeys and the need to stay a while in DC. Think of the money we would save because they would access to the same benefits or whatever, we could keep our eyes on them, no one would be excluded from any rally, and maybe they can meet in DC or some other city but only a wee bit of money and not top of the line hotel, pay their own taxi fees and anything beyond what we would cover. The money saved would be stupendous and they would learn to live like us and any extras coming from the money they have ripped off of us, AND no longer taking money from lobbyists (love that 5 yr. cutoff, thank you, President Trump!), corporate paid positions, or other outsider donor dollars and we would make sure and if not, they would be removed right then and there as any employee who plots or goes against his/her employer. Time to stop the waste of time, money, and their nastiness in screwing us while taking care of themselves and that means NO BENEFITS OR PERKS

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  15. Tsquared says:

    That should have been stripped away long ago. It would be even better if Congressional members and staff had to use the VA as their only choice for healthcare. But they would have to wait as veterans would have priority.

    Liked by 8 people

  16. I read a post yesterday that I thought was a great suggestion regarding ocare. PDJT is considering removing the exemption for Congress. He should consider extending that to removing all exemptions. Remember Sebillius granting waiver after waiver to all Obama’s buddies? Since they were granted by the HHS secretary they can be removed by the HHS secretary. Removing all of the exemptions should get a lot of people’s attention.

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    • AmericaFirst says:

      Re: Removing all of the exemptions

      NO no no no no! I use one of the health ministries, there are 3 of them, and at least one “association” which is “liberty” related. It amounts to a very affordable monthly premium, and I also pay for a tiny little quarterly payment for catastrophic care.

      I have been on it for 3 1/2 years and never utilized it. It kicks in if I need anything over $500 (which I never do – yet) but I feel certain that should something tragic befall me that I would be covered. I can go to any doctor, hospital, specialist, or anywhere I like, no need for a referral. I am in charge of my health care choices. If I need an x-ray I call to see what the prices are (I believe the fact that patients A Don’t pay for their own bills and B Don’t know what the prices are contributes to high medical costs).

      This is NOT insurance, per se, and there is an exemption for these plans in the Unaffordable Health Care Act.

      It has occurred to me that if EVERYONE would sign up for a similar type plan and drop their insurance that it would starve the Obamacare beast, in a similar vein to boycotting the major media, which, as we know, are having significant income stream issues as a result of the non-stop propagandizing. Then everyone would have better prices, more control, and the Obamacare death would come faster, all on its own.

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    • Linda says:

      I tweeted that to POTUS yesterday. I hope he sees it and considers it. That would really get the implosion going.

      Liked by 1 person

      • carrierh says:

        I think maybe many of us contacted our President to do this and whatever else he can do to wake these clowns up that they don’t own us or America, which is why I keep posting the two addresses to contact Trump.

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  17. Black_Knight_Rides says:

    President Trump RX for Healthcare:

    1. CANCEL the SUBSIDIESfor Congress, their Staff and their Insurance Company Donors.
    [Insurers will INSTANTLY raise Premiums and Deductibles, making ObamaCare valueless.]

    2. Direct Treasury (IRS) and DOJ to AUDIT ALL of the ABOVE to calculate the $ to claw back from them.

    3. Use the AUDITS to IDENTIFY CONGRESSIONAL INSIDER TRADING and direct DOJ to PROSECUTE them to the fullest extent of the law … forcing the Supreme Court to declare Congressional “self-exemptions” to be unconstitutional … and enabling the Administration to claw back the $ HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of ill-gotten gains from Congress.

    Message to Congress: Your freak-out Disarray will Make My Day.

    Liked by 3 people

  18. Lion2017 says:

    Do it ! Make them cancel their August recess!!

    Liked by 1 person

  19. drdeb says:

    Please sign this petition in order to Force Congress to Have the Same Healthcare as the Citizens They Were Elected to Represent! https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/force-congress-have-same-healthcare-everyone-else

    Liked by 2 people

  20. Garrison Hall says:

    I have a feeling that President Trump’s first impulse was to immediately pull the congressional health care carve-out. There are some high visibility Republican stalwarts who DO NOT want it known just how they played a pivotal role in arranging such an embarrassingly sleazy perk for themselves—while they cynically passed repeated “show-votes” which they knew would be vetoed by Obama. As I recall, there was a show-vote to end the carve out and then the very same Republican politicians quietly voted to restore their carve out when they thought nobody was watching. While I’d like to see him just pull the cave-out, I think the president knows he’s got more leverage by letting congress know that he not only knows where their dead bodies are buried but—oh by the way—he’s also standing on their air supply. **GO TRUMP!!**

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  21. Alison says:

    It. Is. Our. Tax. $$. Paying. Their. Subsidies. While. We. Pay. Our. Full. Premium!!!!

    Liked by 4 people

  22. youme says:

    “Congress, through fraud, is violating Obamacare to get taxpayers to pay for its health insurance,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “If the Trump administration required Congress to follow the law, taxpayers would be saving money, pure and simple. We hope the Trump administration will end this clear violation of law by Congress.”

    Judicial Watch previously uncovered false applications filed by the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate with the D.C. Exchange Authority showing that the House and Senate claimed to have only 45 employees each. They also show that the House and Senate attested to having “50 or fewer full-time equivalent employees.” Congress employs upwards of 20,000 people. The applications also falsely state that the House and Senate are “local/state governments.”

    Judicial Watch’s is also challenging the unlawful Obamacare subsidies for Congress through a taxpayer lawsuit in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia (Kirby Vining vs. Executive Board of the District of Columbia Health Benefit Exchange Authority (No. 14-0006496)).

    The case is currently before the D.C. Court of Appeals.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-asks-trump-administration-end-congressional-obamacare-exemption/

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  23. youme says:

    D.C. Government Concedes Law Does Not Allow for Congress to Obtain Obamacare in “Small Business Exchange”
    (Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that the District of Columbia government conceded in a court filing that, under D.C. law, the U. S. Congress could not obtain insurance through the District’s “Small Business Exchange.” The revelation comes in a taxpayer lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch against the District of Columbia Health Exchange Authority regarding its decision to allow Congress to participate in the Authority’s Obamacare Small Business Exchange.

    The lawsuit, which names the District of Colombia Health Benefit Exchange Authority and its officials as defendants, was filed on October 15, 2014, on behalf of D.C. taxpayer Kirby Vining in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia (Kirby Vining v. Executive Board of the District of Columbia Health Benefit Exchange Authority (No. 14-0006496)). D.C. law limits participation in the exchange to small businesses employing 50 or fewer full-time employees. Vining, a District of Columbia resident since 1986, seeks to prevent the Exchange Authority from allowing at least 12,359 members of Congress, congressional staffers, their spouses and dependents to purchase health insurance in D.C.’s Small Business Exchange.

    On November 7, 2014, the Exchange Authority filed a Motion to Dismiss. In its Motion, the District government concedes that the law does not allow Congress to participate in its Small Business Exchange:

    The Health Benefit Exchange Authority was created by the District of Columbia Council under the ACA, and authorized to operate a SHOP Exchange [“Small Business Health Options Program”] in the District through which qualified small businesses could access health coverage for employees. By limiting the SHOP Exchange to “small employers” with an “average of not more than 50 employees during the preceding calendar year,” D.C. Code 31-3171.01 prevents Congressional enrollment in the D.C. Shop Exchange because Congress does not fall within the definition of “small employer.”

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/d-c-government-concedes-law-not-allow-congress-obtain-obamacare-small-business-exchange/

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  24. Sentient says:

    Taking away this privilege from Congress (and their staff) is all well and good, but House members and virtually all Senators are millionaires. So it’s mostly an annoyance. Reverse Sebellius’ Obamacare waivers – ALL of them for corporations and unions – and the pressure to repeal Obamacare will be overwhelming.

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    • RobJ says:

      The congressional members wouldn’t be hurt much, but their *staff* will then be living with 25% annual rate increases like the rest of us. Uniparty apparatchiks who won’t listen to their constituents might be more attentive to their employees.

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  25. Troublemaker10 says:

    There is overwhelming support to remove illegal subsidies for congress. I have liberal friends who even support Obamacare who are outraged by this.

    Trump should give congress deadline on repeal and replace and then trigger the removal of congressional subsidies.

    I don’t know what to do about insurance companies.

    I’m not clear on something. There are aleady subsidies to the premiums. When they talk about “bailout” (some use word subsidize)….are they talking about the risk corridor that Rubio killed?

    If so, why the h3ll would they bring that back?

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  26. rikster says:

    I remembered there was a list of exempted companies as well. Looked it up and found this. I wonder if all these entities are still exempt. This was “The Obama Way”. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2900475/posts

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  27. NJ Transplant says:

    I love Judicial Watch. I just sent the President a comment about removing the congressional exemption.

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  28. tsmifjones says:

    Trump is great. Let um have it Sir!

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  29. Paul says:

    He should make them pay like everyone else. even if it doesn’t affect their pockets , embarrass them . Shine the spot light on them. Also i beleave trump is 2 seconds off of Mmc Cain. McCain is long over due !

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  30. Payday says:

    So when Obozocare premiums increase by 20% each year, do their bailouts also increase?

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  31. Laura Wesselmann says:

    Do it regardless. Remove all congressional subsidies.

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  32. jmclever says:

    Government subsidies ALWAYS mean the price of whatever is being subsidized goes up whether it’s milk and certain cereals subsidized by WIC or health insurance. Remove the subsidies and the prices begin to reflect the supply/demand market value. The problem is for the people receiving the subsidies, not for the people who are trying to purchase the product at artificially inflated prices.

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  33. RedBallExpress says:

    I don’t have a single fact but I don’t buy the alleged $12,000 subsidy. Make it more like $100,000+ for meals, hotels, travel, family expenses, etc, etc. They aren’t living at the Ronald McDonald house! (Which is an awesome blessing by the way) These guys are masters at pork and it’s easy to be charitable with our money when someone is sick. The Mayo Clinic has secret entryways and elevators for the rich & famous and don’t think for a minute they go anywhere else. Many large corporations (such as Deere) require that their executives go there.

    I love Mayo as it is an incredible place and I say good for Mayo. It needs to be pointed out that many wealthy people have donated vast fortunes to Mayo. Their generosity has definitely saved the lives of countless common people. It makes you feel humble and grateful.

    You can find out a lot of stuff if you visit with the electricians and plumbers.

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  34. distracted2 says:

    I can’t even begin to tell you how happy this action would make me. Why should their healthcare be any different than what everyone else has to deal with?

    Heck, I’d even be on board to make them go to a VA clinic or hospital so they can see what their inaction has cost our veterans, except that would not be fair to the veterans whose wait times are still not what they should be.

    That said, Congress most definitely deserve a dose of their own medicine.

    Liked by 1 person

  35. Windy Day says:

    I was saying the following back when they were getting ready to pass Ocare: “If Obamacare is so great, then why do all of Obama’s friends (and Congress) want a waiver to stay OUT of it?”

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