Sunday Talks – Jim Jordan -vs- Chris Wallace

Hillary’s Favorite Caucus member Jim Jordan appears on Fox News Sunday to talk about the caucus position that only their HFC ideology is worth of representing 360+ million Americans in legislation.

Ohio Rep Jim Jordan explains to a combative Chris Wallace that the HFC alone is the only caucus representing the American People; and their job is doing only what the American people want.  Wallace argues back the HFC position might not represent the cares and concerns of millions of Americans.  Jordan puts Wallace back in his place by reminding him that only the HFC has an understanding of what Americans want, no-one else.

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355 Responses to Sunday Talks – Jim Jordan -vs- Chris Wallace

  1. cycle1 says:

    Wow! That interview has me thoroughly convinced that we need to come up with candidates who are for the Trump agenda to replace the Freedom Caucus members. Freedom Caucus has too much of a “my way or the highway” attitude.

    Jim Jordan keeps saying “this is what we were elected for”. Guess what, Jim, Trump is very able to convince the American people who elected you, that we can’t get anything done because you guys are such sticks in the mud. Trump can and will convince your constituents to UN-elect you and replace you with someone who will help Trump get his agenda through. Bye bye, Jimmy!

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    • SoCal Patriot says:

      Every time Jordan said “this is what we were elected for”, I screamed at the TV, “this is what Trump was elected for”. I like the HFC, but they are letting purity overtake common sense of governing.

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      • cycle1 says:

        Trump is going to repeal and replace the Freedom Caucus (FC) in future elections. These FC people are the right’s answer to the left’s Utopia Communists.

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        • cycle1 says:

          I.e., both the FC and the Utopia Communists are too extreme at least in that they each are not pragmatic enough to come up with positions that can really help people. In FCs case there will never be enough votes to get everything FC wants through; that’s what makes them the unrealistic, gridlock-causing sticks in the mud that they are.

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          • Where were they when Obama was in office? They voted for Ryan despite us yelling not to. They didn’t listen to us then. They are not listening to us now. We voted for Trump!!!

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            • redsequin4 says:

              Exactly, he’s full of it. Nobody wanted Ryan and he got shoved down our throats.

              I’m shocked the FC wanted to remove pre-existing conditions, that would hurt so many people, especially people with cancer. Is he nuts?

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          • Marc says:

            It’s not about purity, I like that in some politicians, but it’s the fact they’re doing the bidding of the Uniparty. The moderates and FC goals were the same: keep Obamacare in place as is. They succeeded.

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      • singingsoul says:

        The freedom caucus sees themselves bigger than President Trump and the people who elected them. Jordan is from OH maybe he has the Kasich disease.

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      • Daniel says:

        They are just doing what they were bribed to do — to play the roles they were paid to play.

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      • cozette says:

        Jordan flat out lied. Trump ran on a Repeal and Replace. He said he did NOT support repeal only. BTW the FC warned phase 2 and 3 of the House plan should not be trusted because phase 3 might not get passed. Using their logic, why would we trust that a later replace would happen, especially when we know their billionaire donors don’t want a replacement? Finally, the liar was demanding that Trump go back on a key Obamacare replacement promise he made over and over. They demanded he drop the mandate that people with pre existing conditions be covered. They deliberately kept demanding that poison pills be added to the bill until Trump said no.

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      • jmclever says:

        This is just a different flavor of crybullying

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    • They represent their district, not the President. Just because Trump pushed it, doesn’t make it right. Sorry, it was bad legislation and promoted wrong. Glad it’s gone, so we can move on.

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      • cycle1 says:

        A lot of people in their respective districts voted for Trump and they can be UN-elected next election cycle if they (Freedom Caucus) does not start showing some pragmatic flexibility.

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      • Marc says:

        This isn’t over. You may not care what happens to those dealing with Obamacare but President Trump does. We’re wasting over a trillion dollars a year on that monstrosity but all I hear the crony capitalists talking about is “muh tax cuts”. As Ann Coulter said, Trump was not elected to cut taxes. If that was his main argument back in 2015 he’d never have won the nomination. I voted for him to clean up DC, fix immigration, and to not have someone beholden to lobbyists in power. They all said cut taxes and repeal Obamacare.

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      • cozette says:

        Move on with Obamacare in place continuing to destroy our private system of medicine, just as it was intended to do? Move on as it continues to put middle class families into poverty and destroys small businesses? Why do you think that’s a good idea? However, Pelosi and the Democrats do agree with you and the Freedom Caucus so maybe you’re right and Trump was wrong. PS. I’m being sarcastic.

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      • andymilken says:

        Move on to WHAT?

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    • ectrimm says:

      Sorry, but was part of Trump’s agenda not to repeal OC? I am pretty sure that I heard that on more than one occasion from him. HR1628 did not repeal OC; it only zeroed out the fee/tax penalty.

      https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr1628/BILLS-115hr1628rh.pdf

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      • jeans2nd says:

        What you describe is Part 1, Parts 2 & 3 were to follow.
        FACT – a full Repeal of Obamacare required 60 votes. There were NOT 60 votes in the Senate for a full Repeal.
        And POTUS said Repeal AND Replace.

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        • ectrimm says:

          Parts 2 and 3 were pie in the sky. One could eliminate the individual and employer mandate in “part 1.” However, the New Democrats, did not want to give up their new power.

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    • dekester says:

      That is what so patently obvious. All of the Dems stuck with the Obama agenda, the party did not seem to care that they lost their majorities in the house and Senate. The cause was more important.
      Republicans do not have a cause..except their own self interest.

      Obama, Pelosi and Reid are devious, demented and dangerous. They are Barracudas.

      Ryan, Kasich, Bush , Rubio, McConell, are rats, goldfish and a turtle, and not a snapping one.

      PDJT is the only fighter, the Dems are all fighters. Republicans are just pseudo intellectual muppets.

      IMPO.

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    • tellthetruth2016 says:

      I sure Hope OHIO is paying attention ……

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    • Funny how two people can look at the same show and see a different program, cycle1.

      Jordan made sense to me. The Ryan bill never made sense to me.

      Wallace is bringing up red herrings. Jordan is replying to them, Wallace keeps repeating argument that Jordan just demolished. BTW, I’ve seen this technique us4ed many, many times on other issues. Confuse and complicate – leave nothing but fog in the minds of viewers. Ugh.

      Trump was elected on “repeal and replace.” Trump “concessions” were cr4p. I’m now on the other side. Don’t like Jordan’s personality though.

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      • cycle1 says:

        Anything short of a successful repeal and replace prior to midterms means the blame is all on the Freedom Caucus. I will not believe them for a moment until they produce a result that will help Trump win a second term regarding healthcare.

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    • Haza Reziak says:

      Agreed. Dear Jimmy boy, we’ll tell YOU when you’ve done us a favor.These overreaching morons screwed up big time. It seems they’ve forgotten that conservative liberals can no longer win ANY election on their own…it’s impossible in today’s snowflake environment. They will have to be crushed in order to move forward after the midterms in 2018. I will, we should all, support any Republican running against any of the “Freedom Caucus members.”

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    • Tonya Linder says:

      I couldn’t have said it better myself ! I agree with everything you said!

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  2. oldschool64 says:

    They are not the HFC. They are the HPC…..House Prayer Circle!

    I got to tell ya though, it makes me wonder who they’re praying to when they blow off the opportunity to defund Planned Parenthood!

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    • Howie says:

      They had to save Planned Parenthood in order to try and blow it off.

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    • muffyroberts says:

      Probably the reason the bill went down is because the abortion factory, baby parts for sale, Planned Parenthood would lose funding.

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    • R-C says:

      They’re HAPPY to see Planned Parenthood go on–the strategy in their calcified pea brains is: “Let’s make OUR side HURT, until they see things OUR way.”

      This ideological stance, of course, doesn’t recognize the thousands of dead babies that result from their intransigence in Congress. IF they took a minute to reflect upon that–don’t worry, they won’t–they’d call the dead ‘unavoidable collateral damage’.

      But in the end, their act is nothing more than a genuflection to their own shadowy sugar daddies, wrapped up in a cloak of ‘ideological purity’.

      These men are the scum of the Earth, just like their peers.

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      • flova says:

        If they are truly the principled conservatives they say they are, the planned parenthood funding would have been a game changer.

        The truth is they are just like the Left where ideology and obeying the orders of their globalists(Soros and Koch bros two sides of the same coin)trumps babies in the womb.

        Well, if we had any doubt whether they are out for Americans suffering under Obamacare who need some relief or babies in utero we know now they are out to serve their donors. May the backlash begin and go on until 2018.

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        • R-C says:

          I say the backlash goes on until every puppet is removed and replaced–and I suspect it will take much longer than 2 years to accomplish that.

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        • redsequin4 says:

          “If they are truly the principled conservatives they say they are, the planned parenthood funding would have been a game changer.”

          We may never get another chance to defund PP because if the President has go to the Dems for votes on another healthcare bill attempt, they’ll never go along with de-funding it.
          Thanks Jim Jordan. grrrrr

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        • PP was a tiny part of this bill and probably would have gone away in the Senate. “We had to do that, or it wouldn’t have passed. Surely you understand that, don’t you, you ignorant peasant!”

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      • singingsoul says:

        HFC owns now abortion .

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    • Willy says:

      Planned parenthood would have been put back in during the ‘reconciliation’ to get democrat votes. You don’t understand the enemy.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        From where did you purchase your crystal ball? My ouija board said PP would NOT have been put back in. And I live amongst the enemy, I understand them perfectly.

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  3. Howie says:

    What we have is a tax collection that can fund the military, social security, and medicare. That is about all they collect. Everything else they have to borrow to spend. That is The Loot. Obamacare is part of The Loot. Foreign Aid … The Loot. CIA, NSA, The Loot. All the grants they hand out….part of The Loot. They have to get to the Festival in the fall and the Can Kicking ceremony at all cost. The Grand baseline Loot CR. It will be glorious.

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    • Tax extortion is barely able to handle all the interest on the debt these assclowns have accumulated over the last several decades. Of course, as they are the “new” world “order” perps, they have no intention of paying off the national debt. Ever. They will just leave the slaves doing the maintenance of it.

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  4. ellison says:

    The Freedom Caucus didn’t sink the bill by themselves.
    There are plenty of other “no” votes to be found (and likely no’s) on the whip count that aren’t part of that caucus.
    Don’t see how playing blame games is going to do any of us any good.

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    • muffyroberts says:

      No the FC did it. They alone.

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    • Attorney says:

      I agree, as much as I like TH, I think that he is way out in Left field on this one. The promise was Repeal and Replace. Repeal. Repeal. Clear as day. Repeal. Repeal. Repeal. Repeal. Yes, there are legislative nuances involved. But at any rate, at the end of the day, the GOP is far too corrupt for this reform to come to pass. The Democrats own ACA. Let Obamacare sink.

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      • cozette says:

        Attorney you are fascinating. Trump won on repeal AND replacing plus keeping the mandates for children staying on parents plans and not refusing coverage for pee existing conditions. Trump won because independents AND life long democrats voted for him. He is doesn’t represent one party or the other, he represents the American people. The Freedom Caucus tried to get Trump to go back on a key campaign promise on Obamacare. He refused to bow to their parochial ideology and they demanded that Americans get total relief immediately or then, Americans can just go on suffering.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          Well said, cozette, bravo.

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        • Tonya Linder says:

          You are exactly right! But Trump showed the freaky freedom caucus! I was Democrat before Trump. I don’t have Obama Care but I do have a heart and love US and we have to take care of our own if needed not scammiers

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    • cozette says:

      Move on with Obamacare in place continuing to destroy our private system of medicine, just as it was intended to do? Move on as it continues to put middle class families into poverty and destroys small businesses? Why do you think that’s a good idea? However, Pelosi and the Democrats do agree with you and the Freedom Caucus so maybe you’re right and Trump was wrong. PS. I’m being sarcastic.

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    • cozette says:

      The Freedom Caucus is accepting responsibility for siding with Pelosi to give her the win. That means Obamacare stays. There will be no debate on repeal and replacement in the Senate, so those rats are off the hook, and there will be no meetings with House and Senate to craft a compromise that enough members can support and pass. Trump no longer has a chance to sign a repeal and replace into law. The Freedom Caucus joined with Pelosi to instead keep Obamacare. They ARE responsible for their choice. Don’t you think it’s an odd one?

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  5. BillRiser says:

    The ACA will implode, Trump will work with the DemocRats and put a conservative box around the ACA. That’s the only way it will get fixed. Boehner realized he had to work with the Democrats to get anything passed and got ran out of town. Now Trump has very quickly come to the same conclusion. Do not think you will get 188 moderate Republican’s replaced with Conservatives in 8 years. Below is Boehner’s comments two weeks before the planned vote.

    Washington (CNN)Former House Speaker John Boehner threw cold water Thursday on the prospect of congressional Republicans following through on their pledge to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.
    “They’ll fix Obamacare,” the former Ohio congressman predicted at a conference hosted by the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society in Orlando, Florida. “I shouldn’t have called it repeal and replace because that’s not what’s going to happen. They’re basically going to fix the flaws and put a more conservative box around it.”
    The former speaker noted the difficulty Republicans would confront in getting everyone on board.
    “This is not all that hard to figure out, except this: ## In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever one time agreed on what a healthcare proposal should look like. Not once,” Boehner said.
    He said lawmakers were too confident in how easy they thought the process would go.
    “All this happy talk that went on in November and December and January about repeal, repeal, repeal — yeah we’ll do replace, replace — I started laughing because if you pass repeal without replace, first, anything that happens is your fault. You broke it.”
    Boehner said he warned GOP leaders about repealing Obamacare without a replacement ready because the members “will never ever agree what the bill should be.”
    “Perfect always becomes the enemy of the good,” he added.
    Boehner also predicted that some of the fundamental pieces of the health care law would remain in place, including coverage for children up to age 26 and for those with pre-existing conditions. “Most of the Affordable Care Act, the framework, is going to stay there.”

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    • Attorney says:

      The GOP corruption is absolutely overwhelming. They are owned by various nefarious interests. Guess what. We all gotta die one day. It is what it is. I will choose the freedom to die under the doctor and healthcare that I choose. In other words, I will move to Mexico when that day comes.

      Land of the Free, Home of the Brave? Eh, not so much anymore.

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      • dekester says:

        Agreed. Land of the Rich and the Poor is what the U.S. will have.

        We see it when we travel South, think about it some of the wealthiest areas in the U.S. are Dem strongholds.

        In the U.K. We called them caviar socialists.
        Thank you

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    • ectrimm says:

      “The ACA will implode, Trump will work with the DemocRats and put a conservative box around the ACA.”

      You are really lost of you think today’s democrats will vote for anything “conservative.” Dang. They all voted for and were willing to lose their seats for the ACA. Does that not tell you anything?????

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    • Guy K. says:

      No, it won’t get fixed now. And Sundance declared that it’s a lost cause in his doomsday post late Friday night, which makes any further posts on the topic moot.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Believe it or not, people in my part of Ohio were saying Thursday and Friday night that Boehner had the best Healthcare Proposal back in 2010 and they wish it would be reconsidered. How’s that for irony?

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  6. SonFlower says:

    Treepers, PLEASE- blow up the phones, twitter feeds, Facebook pages and any way you can to blast Ryan and these other arrogant a##holes in Washington to let them know we The People see who they are and we will work to run them out of town!

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  7. Peter says:

    No more ideologues

    Can’t stand these guys now. Loved them pre-trump, can’t wait to vote them out now.

    Put them all on Obamacare. Although we should rename if FCare

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  8. MIKE says:

    I don’t know how much more “principled conservatism” I can take.

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  9. SteveInCO says:

    I largely agree with Freedom Caucus’s wish list.

    However I know I can’t get everything I want.

    And I also am not so delusional as to think the rest of the country agrees with me. It’s one thing to have an agenda; it’s another to imagine everyone secretly agrees with you.

    From my standpoint, Trump was and is the most effective person there is for improving things. No, I won’t get everything I want, but I will get a LOT of what I want and very few things will become worse if President Trump gets what he wants.

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    • cycle1 says:

      I wish the Freedom Caucus was as pragmatic as you, but unfortunately they aren’t.

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    • Landslide says:

      Agree. Just as in the campaign. A person could have loved Carson or Huckabee (or Cruz) but reality was that no one but Trump stood a chance to defeat Hillary. I’m 100% for principles, values, & morals, but I am also realistic. We work with the parameters we’re given. Ideologues, wake up.

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  10. cycle1 says:

    Repeal and Replace the Freedom Caucus!

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  11. Rick says:

    My opinion is that the president should stop using tweets to ridicule other republicans even if they didn’t vote for Ryancare. This gains nothing. He looks like a big baby kicking his legs against the floor because he didn’t get his way.
    This was a crappy bill it was unpopular with the public and with more republicans than just the HFC. It was going down to embarrassing defeat. Call the opposition the uniparty or whatever but it was a crappy bill that no one trusted would ever repeal and replace Obamacare.
    At the same I hear crickets from him about the clintons.

    There are many Trump supporters that are not sheeple. They want a president not a tweeter.

    Jump on me all you want, but the president has many many poor personnel decisions and has sided with people who were his enemies. I just don’t know where his loyalties are and I am beginning to worry about it.

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    • Attorney says:

      No kidding. But look – Trump was worth a shot. Yeah, we knew he had character flaws, but at least he promised a repeal. I do not regret my vote for one moment. Not at all. I would have bet 50-50 that he failed. This is not a surprise. Not at all.

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    • james23 says:

      I agree with the changes the HFC was seeking,but strongly disagree about blowing up the bill unless you get your way on everything. HFC is 30 votes, max. They overplayed their hands at the end, and did big damage to the country the President and themselves in the process.

      The deserve to be roasted and defeated in 18.

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    • Nick says:

      Donald is not tweeting down at idiot Republicans. He is tweet OVER the constant media and crony political attacks, to get his side of things out, directly to us. I think that became quite apparent and obvious during the course of the campaign.

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    • SonFlower says:

      Rick, you’re confusing Trump with a politician. Don’t try to put him in that box or what he does will confuse you. His tweets and other moves keep him in direct contact with us! The people. The media and Washington ignore us, he doesn’t. Hopefully he will NEVER become a politician and we’ll all be able to look back at what he’s doing now and say “that guy was brilliant.”

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      • cycle1 says:

        He will always want to connect to the people. He will never become what he so loathes. POTUS DJT is a gift to us and we have to pray for him everyday and try to help him in any way we can.

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    • cozette says:

      Trump communicates with people by tweets. That is what modern people do. Perhaps you believe he could communicate to America effectively through the press? Ha. His tweets get people to talk and discuss things that he thinks are important. It’s his way of shining a light on what might have been hidden. He has know shone a light on the FACT that Pelosi and the Democrats are celebrating their victory in keeping Obamacare from being changed at all. The tweet pointed out that this victory was made possible by the Freedom Caucus who chose to side with Team Pelosi to keep Obamacare as is. These are facts. We should discuss these facts, don’t you agree? His tweet triggered the discussion. How is that bad? Where is the ridicule unless raising questions or pointing out relevant facts is now considered ridicule?

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    • JT says:

      lol repubs aren’t his friends. none of them wanted him. they loved Yeb. he has like 10 people he can count on in Congress. his only friends are the people who voted for him, thats it.

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  12. Finalage says:

    The HFC is everything that’s wrong with Washington. Do nothing clowns! They profess to stand for something but don’t do a damn thing and we are then left with the status quo. It’s disgraceful and they need to be voted out of office. I hope Trump gets a group of billionaires together and create a SuperPAC to take on the Koch Brothers.

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    • ectrimm says:

      They are 30-40 members, if that. Ryan should have known that he did not have the votes to get this through before the vote took place. What is the House Whip for???? The simple fact of the matter is that Ryan expected that everyone would fall in line for a crap bill that did not do what he claimed. I am really surprise at the number of people on this Board that are so quick to side with the Uni party when something does not go their way.

      Why did Ryan not go to the Democrats for votes? /r A Republican form of government is about managing factions, not necessarily parties, as Madison would phrase. Ryan, and frankly Trump, simply did not do a good job managing the factions.

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      • Bonitabaycane says:

        This was Ryan’s plan, not Trump’s. Ryan said he had the votes of this so called consensus plan. How long has Trump been President? How long has Ryan had to come up with an acceptable, passable repeal and replace bill, 7 years? IMO Trump wanted this bill to pass so he could improve it to his and the country’s liking. When it became apparent that the votes weren’t there Trump tried to salvage the bill’s passage. He was doing the job that Ryan should have. Trump did not fail. Ryan did. Any trust that Trump may have had in Ryan, as far as leadership and the ability to produce an acceptable passable plan, is forever gone.

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        • cozette says:

          Remember getting legislation passed was Pence’s job. He’s supposedly been working with the House and Senate to pass Trumps agenda since the election. This is on Pence NOT Trump. Bottom line we missed a huge opportunity to start dismantling Obamacare even though everyone in both parties really wanted to keep it. Because Trump unexpectedly won they had to actually try. Dr. Price got to put forth what he’s been working on for 7 years. But the bill had to be killed because everyone wants Ocare despite the lies they’ve been telling. So how to kill this genuine bill? Fake polls, fake news, muddy the water with fake info and then have the principled Conservatives kill it appealing to battered conservatives paranoia. These Conservatives know they’ll be lionized by their fans for standing on their principles just as phony Cruz was.

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      • Finalage says:

        Wrong. The HFC is not a majority, not by a long shot! They got some concessions but the fact of the matter is a majority of the GOP supported the bill. The bill was not crap but Phase 1 of 3. The HFC opposed the President of their own party on his first major initiative and you don’t seem to see the problem with that. This is a fail by Ryan but it’s also a royal f*ck up by the HFC.

        By all means fight for your position and get your bite of the apple but these idiots want the whole damn apple when they don’t come close to a majority of the votes. It’s bs and it has led to a status quo that voters who put Trump in office against all the odds are already sick of! The bill while not perfect pointed in the right direction and did end Obamacare’s main elements and gutted Planned Parenthood. Why do you think the Dems are celebrating? All weekend my Dem friends have been texting me their glee. It’s ridiculous! The HFC is everything that’s wrong with conservatives. They’re not worth a damn and the sooner they can be voted out of office, the better. And I can say that and demand Ryan resign as Speaker too!

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        • WeThePeople2016 says:

          Say it Finalage!!! So true.

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        • ectrimm says:

          I never said they were. I said that they were 30 or 40 members. What is so hard about this? If Ryan knows his constituency. If he wanted it to pass he would have gone to the Democrats, as the mod Rs are nothing more than Democrats.

          Obviously, you like most others on this Board have not read the actual Bill. HR1628 did not end the mandate. If they could not eliminate the individual and employer mandate in “phase 1,” you are dreaming if you think it would have been eliminated in any other phase that required a higher vote threshold.

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          • Finalage says:

            The HFC is indefensible. You still are left with defending why we have Obamacare as law of the land still and Planned Parenthood federally funded?

            Phase 1 & 2 eliminated the mandates and most Obamacare taxes.

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      • NYGuy54 says:

        I would like to know the answer to that question. Why didn’t Ryan have this firmed up before he went out in public? Is he that weak? Is this the Peter Principle in action?

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        • ectrimm says:

          I just cannot understand why, given the enormity of the stakes, he did not know. The only reason I can come to is that he was indifferent or that he knew that by eliminating the mandate that he would lose more mod Rs than con Rs lost. By the time he realized his position, it was too late.

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  13. AndrewJackson says:

    Just got a quote for the Bronze obamacare plan through Blue Cross Blue Shield. Luckily, I have insurance through my employer. The quote for a family of four where the parents are in their 20s was 10K in annual premium subject to a $7100 annual deductible. To “break even” you have to incur medical costs over $17,000 per year. And that was for the worst grade plan. A plan that might be worth anything was $14,000 in annual premiums with a $4,000 deductible. This is for a young family of four. Thank you HFC,

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  14. Willy says:

    Your daughter is being raped.
    Do you ‘negotiate’ with him?
    You kill the scumbag.
    Saving federal government mandated healthcare by ‘fixing the problems’, instead of flat out killing it is the swamp winning.
    What part of repeal didn’t we understand when we voted for Trump? What part of ‘going to build the wall’ didn’t we understand when we voted for Trump? Illegal aliens? Tax cuts? If I knew Trump was going to support just a fresh coat of RINO paint on obamacare, with some pie in the sky promises about phase 2,4,5,6,7…
    What’s the use?
    SHOW ME A WALL being built yesterday, please.

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  15. There was no way Trump would have put his brand name on any kind of “care” bill. He is just playing politics now.

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    • cozette says:

      Are you kidding? Trump playing politics? Of course he is. He’s not a dictator and unlike Obama, he respects the Constitutional constraints on the Presidency. Therefore, to accomplish some things requires that the people’s elected representatives work together to pass bills he can sign. That is the political process he now must, due to our Constitution, be involved with. Why do you object? Do you really want another imperial President?

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  16. paulraven1 says:

    So what’s happening with these judicial blocks on the immigration EOs? I’ve heard nothing.

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  17. Patriot1783 says:

    Delete Gruber, insert Jim Jordan & HFC:

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  18. Gabriel says:

    My two cents, for what it’s worth:

    First, for those that say Trump’s plan was to loose the whole time, I say bullsh#$, Trump doesn’t play to lose, Trump plays to win, period. I’ve heard a lot of people saying Paul Ryan needs to go, he failed, Trump lost, this is a disaster, etc, etc, etc.

    Is it possible that Ryan did something to tank the bill and undermine Trump ? Who knows, seems anything is possible nowadays. But I look at Speaker Ryan’s role in this no different than I do Trumps and I don’t think Ryan played to lose either. I’ve had issues with Ryan in the past, but if Trump is working with him and he trusts him, there must be a reason. I just don’t think Ryan is going to risk his clout by putting his name behind a bill that’s meant to lose.

    Just seems fishy to me that the same people that voted for Ryan as Speaker, are now calling for his head, for one reason or another, as soon as he puts in some effort to help get the bill that Trump wanted through the House.

    Here’s what I don’t understand though, for the average citizen, what’s the difference between “repealing” ObamaCare, versus, choosing not to have it ? Nothing. If the KFC members had supported the bill, then Americans would not have been forced to pay a fine if they didn’t want it since the bill would not have mandated coverage. ( Or did I hear wrong and there would still be an individual mandate ? ).

    All the KFC members accomplished, was saving their Koch bro money while at the same time, the ObamaCare individual mandate is still in place “FORCING” people to either have insurance or pay a fine, the opposite of choice and freedom.

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  19. Nick says:

    Do the people in Jordan’s district really want Americans with pre-existing conditions to lose or be denied insurance? It sounds like the only people he is representing are the Koch brothers and insurance company execs. President Trump can see through these caucus clowns and their “principles.”

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  20. tim glave says:

    What’s going on here. All of the sudden the only person in the world for almost everyone here is President Trump. Most of those hfc members supported the President in the election. I’m not talking about the primaries. I would like to know what Sundance’s core philosophy is about our government. This healthcare bill was terrible and all of you know it. Repeal and replace was the mantra for a long time on this site. Now we want obamacare lite. You’ve got to be kidding me. Kick the can down the road some more. Really. Now Breitbart is a bad site. Really. I am and have always been a conservative for 61 years. Now that is a bad thing. Really. What do we stand for here? Somebody somebody please tell me. Are we now supposed to support the same kind of shenanigans that the dems pulled to pass obamacare. The secrecy. We have to lock it in a room so no one knows what’s in it so we can get it passed. Really. I didn’t think that this was a rino supporting site but now who knows.

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    • cozette says:

      That whole we can’t see it narrative was manufacture bs. The bill was 23 pages. It was posted for anyone to read. Everyone in the House was allowed input. President Trump had an open door policy. So did Pence. Bottom line the Freedom Caucus voted to keep Obamacare TOTALLY because they couldn’t get a TOTAL repeal immediately.

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    • Bonitabaycane says:

      IMO Trump wanted to move forward. Ryancare was a start from which after passage and scrutiny in the Senate and from Price, would have been more to Trump’s liking and IMO the American people’s liking. We are back to square one IMO.

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  21. David Rowley says:

    You should try running the country yourself and see how easy it is.

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  22. WeThePeople2016 says:

    I am so glad that this video of Jordan was posted. I saw this on TV this morning and posted this about it earlier.
    Did anyone see Jim Jordan on with Chris Wallace this morning? He was squirming and very uncomfortable. Wallace pointed out that Trump met their requests and that it was not enough for them. He said you guys then wanted to do away with pre-existing conditions. This was in the infamous meeting on Thursday. Jordan got very defensive and didn’t answer the question. He tried to deflect the question. It looked to me like he was lying through his teeth. He didn’t want to be on record that the HFC wanted to take away the pre-existing conditions, which is something Trump campaigned on keeping. Wallace was actually pretty good in pushing him.

    Also, watch his answer when asked how the HFC will be on tax bill, the wall, the budget, etc. It looked like it it will be about them and he has no intention of helping Trump. Someone needs to post this video. I also hope if he is lying, that it comes out this week and he gets caught. He looked surprised that Wallace asked that question.

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  23. ALEX says:

    One thing nobody talks about is the Medicaid changes would have been the biggest entitlement reform since eighties…The thing is the third phase of this process was going to take sixty votes and this reconciliation was a bridge until then…Getting the seats in2018

    There is no way with Insurance regulations in each state being different to just drop everything in the current system and start over…The Medicaid high risk pool was necessary to separate the private pool…

    It was a start and poorly presented by Ryan, but I guarantee if they try again it will be much harder..We need to gut the freedom party and hold the RINO accountable…

    At the very least we see the pathetic Republican Party on full display…Nevertrump need to be purged and all their media outlets like Breitbart and National Review

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    • JT says:

      Ryan is weakened and the “freedumb carcass” is starting to disintegrate…although Trump took some blows too. in a year from now I expect this will all be taken care of.

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  24. 2x4x8 says:

    “I Write the Bills That Make The Whole World Suffer”

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  25. Rainy says:

    This is the first time Ive been able to listen to Chris Wallace without getting disturbed by what he says and how he says it. 😒

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  26. Angela says:

    This guy Jordan sounds like a complete idiot. Time to start breaking up this ‘Freedom Caucus” one member at a time. Up to the voters to let them know how we feel.

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  27. ScarletPimpernel says:

    I actually thought Jordan did an excellent job of explaining this to the recalcitrant and annoying Chris Wallace, and yes, Chris Wallace annoys me.

    Obamacare needs to be thrown out. Period. And I don’t want it “replaced”, because that means the Government will still have its fingers in it!! I’d like to see more medical sharing organizations instead of insurance. Give the insurance companies a run for their money, give them competition. They aren’t competing now.

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    • StrandedinCA says:

      That might be what you want (Obamacare to be thrown out). But that is definitely not what you’ve got. Obamacare is here apparently to stay thanks to the Freedom Caucus. It will death spiral on it’s own (because it’s horrible), but now we’ve opened the door to One Payer System. It will be an all out push because that’s the only thing that will save everyone on Obamacare. We could have had changes – albeit not a complete Repeal. Now we have the current system destined for failure and One Payer is coming. Thanks Freedom Caucus.

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      • ScarletPimpernel says:

        Well, I say let it go on a death spiral. I really would like to see more of these medical cost sharing groups, like Medi-Share and others. They are completely legal under the ACA, the members don’t get involved with insurance, and they are much more affordable. Insurance isn’t the only way to pay for medical costs. https://mychristiancare.org/medi-share/

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  28. UKExpat says:

    Just like OBOZOCARE ‘ you have to pass it to know whats in it’ was DESIGNED to FAIL thus ushering in the DemoncRAT HOLY GRAIL of the SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM, so Obozocare Lite was DELIBERATELY designed not to be able to pass, by Ryan the RINO and others, and thus to leave OBOZOCARE untouched

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