Released Waco Bikers’ Attorney Says Liability Waiver Story Made Up By Another Law Office – First “Gang Bikers” Speak Publically….

Liar Liar pantsOn Sunday, the Houston based law firm Looney and Conrad, PC. sent out a statement saying jailed bikers had been presented with a deal that would reduce their bond amount in exchange for their agreement not to sue the Waco Police Department.  The firm later reported a defense attorney named Brittany Lannen was the source of the liability waiver development.

Steven Walker and Julie Perkins, had their bonds reduced from $1 million to $25,000 after their attorney, Brittany Lannen, reached an agreement with the Waco DA’s office and Lannen denies knowing anything about a liability waiver.  She claims the law firm of Looney and Conrad completely fabricated the story.   ~ Full Story Here ~

Meanwhile the first interview with arrested bikers took place yesterday:

WACO — KCEN got an exclusive interview with the first bikers to speak publicly after the Twin Peaks shooting, capturing the moments right after their release from jail after being arrested for the May 17th shooting that left nine bikers dead and 18 more injured.

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Waco Police had said the 170-plus bikers arrested were part of criminal motorcycle gangs. However, William English, 33, and Morgan English, 30, say otherwise, and that they had come to the sports bar for a friendly meeting between motorcycle clubs, and they weren’t even inside the restaurant when the brawl broke out.

The husband and wife from Brenham who celebrate their four year anniversary in September, have never spent more than a few days apart, but were forced to spend 16 of them away from each other, and away from the world.

[…]  This whole thing is a sham,” said William English, suspect and member of the Distorted Motorcycle Club. “I’m kind of upset that we had to pay to get out of jail when we did nothing wrong.”

Mr. English said he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. English said he came to twin peaks on that Sunday afternoon for a monthly meeting of the Confederation of Clubs to talk about legislation coming out of Austin for Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month, but he didn’t make that meeting before violence did.

“We didn’t even get to where we could see around the corner of the building when firing started,” said Mr. English. “We heard 2-3 distinct small arm fires, and we took off around to the back side of the building and after that I started hearing rapid succession of assault rifle fire.”

“All the sudden I see a sea of people running towards me and we run around the building,” said Ms. English.

The couple says they never saw the melee, they were just trying to keep stay away from it. Mr. English is a former marine.

“He grabs me and pins me up against the wall. He just had me completely shielded and protected,” said Ms. English.

“I was trying to hear where the shooters were so we didn’t run into the gunfire,” said Mr. English.

After it calmed down, law enforcement stepped in.

“There was someone just a couple guys down from me shot in the stomach and we’re worried about him but the cops kept saying get down, get down,” aid Ms. English. “You have all these guns in your face, you’re gonna listen.”

Next came the body search: being one of the few females arrested, Morgan says this was one of the worst parts.

“It was just violating having to be searched in front of all these men,” said Ms. English.

She said her and her husband had no weapons except a pocket knife and a vest ornament considered a chain.

“That was one of the 300-some weapons right there,” said Mr. English.

After being searched, the Englishs were taken to the McLennan County Jail.  (read more with video of the interview)

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349 Responses to Released Waco Bikers’ Attorney Says Liability Waiver Story Made Up By Another Law Office – First “Gang Bikers” Speak Publically….

  1. Hmm, how were they able to get their bond down to 25k? A great lawyer?
    At any rate I’m glad they are out

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    • Jett Black says:

      Maybe a great lawyer, but really any moderately competent lawyer could do this, especially with this couple’s background. The threat of false imprisonment/civil rights violations liability should be opening the floodgates for everyone they don’t have an outstanding warrant, fingerprint gun match, or positive witness/video ID on for actually being in the fight. There’s something very wrong with WPD and the DA in that county, per some of the background info linked here and seen through a simple search on the DA’s name. They should be looking to reduce their almost certain losses by getting those they’ve clearly got no case against out asap.

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      • joe says:

        Yea, Bonds, lawyer fees, asset forfeiture. Huge amounts of money changes hands. But no justice or equity takes place. The tax payer and the victims get soaked. And the people who committed the crime, home free. Aint that a hoot.

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      • georgiafl says:

        DA is son of State Supreme Court Justice… that may be why he’s able to act with impunity/immunity to scrutiny and censure.

        I hold the Governor and Attorney General of Texas responsible for allowing this travesty and for allowing this prosecutor to operate the way he does.

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    • kinthenorthwest says:

      Still trying to figure out why most of them have a bond on them… From what I have seen only about 2 dozen or maybe a bit more should have a bond on them.

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    • backwoodsgirl123 says:

      They were put back in jail. They weren’t the only ones. Those that got out on a reduced bail were put back in and put back under $1 Million dollar bail.

      That was on Breitbart.

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      • EnterTheDragon says:

        “Third world conditions – please help!”

        “My husband still has a bullet in his chest and can’t use his right hand. He has a heart condition, has a stint and a-fib, and they are trying to change his medication. He is afraid he might bleed out in his cell.” “Heart meds not being disbursed. Has bullet in chest and cannot feel hand. Believes he has nerve damage but they will not treat him”

        “My brother is type 1 diabetic and is not receiving insulin. His blood sugar is 550.” “Meds not being distributed – takes insulin”
        “Blood pressure meds not being given”
        “No blankets or pillows. Sleeping on cold floors”

        “Husband just had back surgery and was on prescription meds for pain. Simply decided to go to the meeting to get out of the house. He was told he was being given a sleep med and instead they gave him ADHD /bi-polar medication. He has also not eaten anything for almost 10 days now since surgery”

        Friday, May 29, 2015
        The McLennan County Re-Education Camp
        http://bikersofamerica.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-mclennan-county-re-education-camp.html

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      • Josh says:

        backwoodsgirl123, would you please provide that link.

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  2. bertdilbert says:

    “vest ornament considered a chain.”

    Why Waco cops are fraudulent turds.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      If I was a defense lawyer, I would play heavily on officer judgement as what construed a weapon. If they see everything as a weapon it probably impairs their ability when and where they should shoot a weapon and where they should position themselves.

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      • Josh says:

        What the officers are construing as weapons is one of the big questions.

        The bikers are thinking that the chains with locks used to secure their bikes are being construed as a weapon.

        I guess the count (of weapons) is still ongoing.

        But even then, so what if they had weapons?
        If the weapons were legally owned and not used in the commission of a crime …

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        • wrongonred says:

          I know I have 3 chain vest extenders on my vest. Would make sense how they get to such an insane weapon count. I ride with a CZ P-06 in a shoulder rig, so I never think about the possibility of them being “knuckle dusters”. But most folks have 3 if not 4 vest chains. At that rate, sounds like maybe 5 people had actual weapons.

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        • kinthenorthwest says:

          Texas is an open carry state isn’t it.
          If so most of them would have been legal to have guns then..
          From what I have heard quite a few were found in vehicles, and to me that is strange to count that.

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          • joshua says:

            not open carry until recently. not at the time of the Waco deal.

            The Basics

            Q: Can I Open Carry in Texas (in Public)?

            A: You can openly carry rifles and shotguns, but not handguns. A CHL is not needed to do this. However, you must do so in a manner not “calculated” to cause alarm; meaning you are carrying the rifle to purposely intimidate or scare people.

            Q: Why Can’t I Open Carry my Handgun in Texas (in Public)?

            A: Texas has long had a prohibition on the open display of handguns. This dates back to the days of Cowboys in the “Wild West” era of the 1800s; contrary to public opinion.

            Q: Can I Open Carry on my own Property?

            A: Yes, you may carry openly on property that you own or that is directly under your control.

            Q: Can I Open Carry on Private Land?

            A: Yes and No. You can carry openly if you are in the act of hunting or directly en route to your residence which can include a motor vehicle. You cannot openly carry on property that is not yours, even if the owner gives you permission to do so.

            Q: I have a CHL, can I Carry Openly?

            A: At this time the CHL only enables you to carry concealed, but there is a bill in the legislature that would allow CHL holders the right to choose to carry openly.

            Q: Can I Open Carry in my Car?

            A: No, the Motorist Protection Act does allow you to keep a concealed handgun in your motor vehicle without a CHL, but does carry the provision that the handgun must not be in plain sight.

            Q: Other States allow Open Carry, Why Doesn’t Texas?

            A: It’s a long story, but the public has only recently been able to carry handguns thanks to the passage of CHL laws in the 1990s, but there has been a large effort to get open carry passed. A bill was drafted two sessions ago that would allow CHL holders to carry openly. It passed committee but did not get any farther due to time. It was reintroduced this session, but has not progressed any further, yet.

            For those of you wondering what open carry refers to it’s the act of carrying a handgun (generally) that is in plain view in a holster. There is no concealment garment such as a t-shirt or vest that is covering the firearm. This type of personal carry is highly debated in the gun community and carries with it a unique series of pros and cons. Pros for open carry include, greater comfort, easier to access, and offers more choice in firearms (larger frames). Cons would include the giving up the moment of surprise, being disarmed potentially, and the general awareness that you are armed possibly making you a first target for an active shooter. A lot of this is conjecture and “what-ifs” but there’s some logic behind them. Contra to some opinions the act of carrying openly can also prevent an unknown number of crimes due to a show of force, and there are holsters and tactics to grealy limit the chance of someone disarming you.

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    • John Galt says:

      I wanna aress

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    • lovely says:

      I think perhaps Mr. English is incorrect in his thoughts that his vest ornament was considered one of “your 300 + weapons”. Why was it released to him before his case is resolved if it is evidence? That don’t make sense.

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      • michellc says:

        I didn’t watch the video, it’s not loading for me, but I didn’t read anywhere in the article that the vest ornament they considered a weapon was released to him.
        I just saw a group of bikers at the convenience store and couldn’t help but notice all the patches and pins on the front of their vests.
        I couldn’t quite make out all the words on the back of their vests, something about prayer and bikers. I did make out the flag on of their bikes that said Free Waco. I guess they better be careful or they could be considered part of a gang, although not one of them looked to be under the age of 65.

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        • Stephen says:

          The article quotes Mr. English saying, “That was one of the 300-some weapons right there,” and the video shows him twirling what is supposedly the chain in question.

          I’m not sure that the authorities consider it a weapon, as he claims, however.

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          • James F says:

            I am guessing he has seen his charging documents with alleged weapons listed as such.

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          • michellc says:

            Okay, like I said the video wouldn’t load for me.
            Maybe it was in the count of weapons at first and someone got smart and told them what it was or maybe this was not the exact one they had taken.

            Remember, the number of weapons have changed more than once.
            I do remember them describing chains with padlocks as weapons. My brothers and my son-in-law who like(d) to ride bikes, always had a chain with a padlock on their bike. It wasn’t there to be used as a weapon and they weren’t bikers.

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            • Large chains, bandanas with padlocks tied into them, hammers, pipe wrenches those are a few items that convicted Felon’s would carry.. Carrying a gun, as a felon, puts them right back in the pin, no questions asked. I’m not clear on edged weapons by Felon’s ( whether they can or cannot
              be in possession.

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              • joshua says:

                I guess no body remembers the old roll of quarters and change in a sock at a lethal weapon to beat hell out of folks.

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              • Les says:

                I wouldn’t want to be hit in the head with that. F=ma.

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              • michellc says:

                Where is the bandanas with padlocks? I read chains with padlocks. Not all the vehicles were bikes and you can find a hammer, several wrenches, including many other tools in the trunk of my car, in the tool box in our trucks, along with the old timey cop flashlights made out of metal with the second purpose of using as a bat if needed.

                117 people had no criminal records. At least 117 people were not prevented from legally carrying a gun.

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                • I was only trying to state “some various types of other weapons” that convicted felons would/could carry rather than a gun. Not suggesting that those groups in Waco (MC) did or didn’t have/use them. Some convicts don’t care, others do.. They will fight other ways.. Also I only know the general claim of weapons as stated by the Waco Police Department.

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                • michellc says:

                  Okay, I misunderstood you and I apologize. I thought you were saying these were weapons carried by them or possibly said in some article I had not read.
                  It is kind of interesting though that besides the padlock in a bandana most of those items are always in my vehicles.

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                • lorac says:

                  Beware Michellc the hoodlum!

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                • Jujube22 says:

                  Most of those WITH criminal records had minor crimes like DUI, speeding, less than 2 ounces of marijuana, etc. One of the AP stories mentioned that We’re not talking about people with felony records. Maybe a few had felony records, but it wouldn’t be many.

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        • kinthenorthwest says:

          There are many many Christian Biker Groups.

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          • michellc says:

            That is something else I’ve learned with my research.
            I haven’t totally lived under a mushroom when it comes to bikers. I’ve known of some of the good things they do.
            I’ve known there are veterans who are in biker clubs. I’ve saw them many times at the local VFW and American Legion.
            I honestly though have never been that interested outside still thinking they were all pot smoking hippies.lol

            I’ve learned though there are clubs just for Christians, just veterans, LE, etc. Some with as few as 3 or 4 members among the many bikers not a member of any club.

            The more I learn about them, the angrier it makes me at those who see no problem with all bikers attending a meeting were arrested because it somehow serves them right for attending meetings with 1% clubs.

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      • EclecticAK says:

        Actually, law enforcement does consider a “vest extender” a potential weapon. They contend that such can be wrapped around the hand as a “knuckle duster”. The silly truth is that they are simply to get your vest to close over a beer-belly…… 😉

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    • joshua says:

      how are they different in this regard from the airport TSA screeners who declare a toothpaste tube as a potential weapon. Frankly, I am unclear as to who are your so called “turds” in this deal, but the WACO police officers I know personally are not turds.

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      • michellc says:

        You don’t have to be a turd to keep your mouth shut and/or follow orders.

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      • Josh says:

        “…the WACO police officers I know personally are not turds.”
        I don’t believe anyone is saying all, or any, of the WACO PD are turds. Well, no one is stating it as fact. There are questions …

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    • Millwright says:

      For a skilled operator everything (and anything) is a “weapon”. And, yes, some bikers do have the habit of wearing their “security chains” when riding and may not have “secured” their bikes at Twin Peaks. A chain W/ padlock- used correctly – make a pretty good CQ weapon.

      From my perspective it seems the WPD – and other LE agencies – were “jacked up” prior to meeting, as their claims of trying to have TP management cancel the event seem to support. Maybe we ought to be looking deeper into the “why factor” .

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    • backwoodsgirl123 says:

      I still believe this is some kind of psy-op or something.

      The whole incident was framed as, “Biker Gangs” not Motorcycle Clubs.

      Test run for Jade Helm maybe. But the one thing I’ve noticed is this, the media paints someone as evil and then there is no public outcry.

      I’ve been in forum after forum where they’ve all painted these people as criminals because they wear vests and ride bikes. IT doesn’t matter that it was a Convention of MC’s to vote on stuff. IT doesn’t matter that one of the MC’s was a Christian MC and one was a Vet’s MC. They just painted them all evil.

      And it for the purpose of getting public response.

      How many of the news reports where there are supposedly people planning on doing bad things, and they come up with all of the guns and drugs and paint them as the scum of the earth. How many of them truly are?

      Sometimes I really wonder. What if it were one of us. Do they plant drugs on people? Ya know, just a few pills? Even more then one and it’s called drugs.

      Does that make them completely evil?

      Just something to think about. I know a man right now that has a lot of guns in his collection and probably the only thing saving his bacon is that his son is a police officer.

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  3. This seems a bit like a “olive branch”
    Waco releases a male & female rider, who happen to be ” married ” I’m very glad a release occurred here, just not sure I’m understanding only 2, seems like we will be hearing ( or reading ) similar statements from other held bike riders. Question is when?

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    • BobNoxious says:

      An earlier version of this article said approximately 25 bikers have had their bonds reduced so far as a result of agreements b/w the DA and defense attorneys. It doesn’t say it anymore, so maybe it was a misprint.

      All of the releases I’ve seen so far have been the result of attorneys and the DA working out deals on a case by case basis.

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    • John Galt says:

      If innocent, arrested w/o probable cause, Waco is solvent, and no liability damage caps apply, it might be profitable to sit tight.

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      • Yep, one report stated 2500.00 to 5,000 per hour. I do believe some are going to make bank on this..

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      • bertdilbert says:

        IMO that huge pile of fraudulent weapons seizures is going to be a big problem. It may have helped Waco cops control the narrative in the beginning but is going to have a huge back end cost.

        I have mentioned this story to a few people and a couple times the response was an adamant “Screw them, they are bikers.” When you eliminate people with anti biker bias and this sits in front of an impartial jury, I would not wan to be LE or the city of Waco.

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        • Josh says:

          … or a taxpayer in Waco.

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          • bertdilbert says:

            I wonder how many knives and forks from Twin Peaks were confiscated. A three pronged fork can easily become a Trident in the eyes of Waco PD.

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            • LadyRavenSDC says:

              I suspect you are dead serious in that comment which is truly a funny thought, until it isn’t!
              Still – I would like to see A. F. Branco do a cartoon with the DA or PD chief walking around with restaurant knives/forks sticking out of all pockets and little tags marking them as evidence.

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              • bertdilbert says:

                I made the trident comment due to when the story first broke a trident was mentioned as one of the weapons the bikers used by one of the posters here.

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  4. Ziiggii says:

    Not trying to be rude or nitpick, but this made me chuckle

    ….William English, suspect and member of the Distorted Motorcycle Club. “I’m kind of upset that we had to pay to get out of jail when we did nothing wrong.”

    His name is Mr. English and proceeds to not use “good” English. I just find that a little humorous.

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    • John Galt says:

      Right, “dindu nuffins” is the currently preferred form.

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    • Jett Black says:

      Can you elaborate? I don’t see anything wrong with what he said in a colloquial English context. The poor punctuation is the reporter’s fault.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        I admit I am not very good with English as well. I am/was into math/science in school, but should he not have said… “I’m kind of upset that we had to pay to get out of jail when we did not do anything wrong.”

        I may be just hypersensitive to the over use of the word “nothing” in our culture of late like John said above.

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        • lilbirdee'12 says:

          Ziiggii, I am often hesitant to post/comment in the midst of so many intelligent folks around. I have been accused of using double negatives (not here) and other such irritating speak. Y’all should be happy that I don’t type my Georgia drawl. When posters start talking about ending sentences with prepositions and using too many adverbs, etc. I get spooked ! LOL

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          • Ziiggii says:

            Miss Birdee, as a Tarheel born and raised I too feel that way! I have become conditioned by others to at the very least start to take notice. But, also, as you can see by the other responses I can still be called out even if I am/was incorrect. Now I’ll go off to the end of my branch and just “listen” like a good little lad.

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        • lilbirdee'12 says:

          I tried to post a longer response to this…but it flew away. Basically, y’all should be glad I don’t type the way I speak….being a Jawga girl and all.

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          • michellc says:

            I was raised by Arkies, my DH was raised by Texans and we both were raised in Oklahoma, making us Okies. It’s almost a given that we’re going to abuse the English language when we get to flapping our gums.
            I try not to, but most of the time I don’t even realize I’m doing it. I always tried to correct my children, but alas they were raised around the three languages and doing as I say not as I and your extended family does didn’t work anywhere near perfectly.

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          • backwoodsgirl123 says:

            I thought that was Jawja.

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        • backwoodsgirl123 says:

          How much do you charge for book editing?

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      • Stephen says:

        To add insult to injury, the man is now being falsely accused of using improper English.

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      • lorac says:

        I don’t see anything wrong, either. The incorrect way to say it would be, “we didn’t do nothing wrong”, a double negative meaning the opposite of what the speaker intends. But don’t go mute on the end of a tree branch, as you suggest below! Think of it this way: someone else would have to make that dangerous climb to the tip of the branch to bring you back to the main home. You don’t want someone else risking their life! 🙂

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    • pbunyan says:

      How is that not good English?

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  5. EclecticAK says:

    In my opinion Mr. English (as a Marine with combat theater experience) qualifies as an expert witness regarding firearms and gunfire. Note he mentions “2 or 3 rounds of small arms fire” folllowed by “bursts of assault weapons fire”……. Sooooooo someone popped a couple caps and the Whacko PD responded by immediately shooting almost 30 people, a third of them fatally……

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    • John Galt says:

      C’mon man, dey had wallet chains.

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      • bertdilbert says:

        I would not want to be LE in the witness stand as 150 wallet chains and chest ornaments are brought from evidence locker…. Someone must have ordered this, so now the testimony of not only the arresting officer but a superior officer has been impaired.

        And the PD with impaired judgement that permeates the department is the lead investigating agency!

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    • archer52 says:

      Good. it is there job to respond, not the job of the bikers to kill each other. Unless it works different out there.

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      • EclecticAK says:

        Sooooo, I take it you are OK with police firing indiscriminently into a crowd and killing/wounding possibly/probably innocent parties and then flagrantly disregarding the constitutionaly guaranteed civil rights of innocent witnesses and survivors?

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    • sedge2z says:

      Mr. English said “We heard 2 – 3 distinct small arms fires…….after that I started hearing rapid succession of assault rifle fire”. According to Waco Thread #4 of CCTV Video and Associated Press, “the deadly gunfight began outside…except for one round ‘fired by a biker’ on the patio who then ran inside.” Who was this man? Maybe not a biker. His shots signaled the beginning of the assault. Seems important to ID him & his purpose.

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      • michellc says:

        We would all like to identify that man and maybe someday we’ll get to see the video in order to do that.

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        • LadyRavenSDC says:

          “the deadly gunfight began outside…except for one round ‘fired by a biker’ on the patio who then ran inside.”
          Or so the AP says……
          Which they of course cannot produce for us…..
          We just have to take their word for it…..

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      • wrongonred says:

        Plus the so called “Cossack Story” from the “one that got away” said it was supposedly a Bandido who made one point blank headshot (and apparently was not injured). One singular shot kicking this conflagration off is quite different than 2-3 shots. Also, we know some of the officers were equipped with what appear to be suppressed AR Platforms, which if so, it would seem unlikely it was someone with a suppressed rifle firing the short bursts he refers to (which makes me wonder if someone was really shooting a Select-Fire Rifle on 3 Round burst.), as English would likely not make them out to be fired from an AR if suppressed. The 5.56, because it is a high velocity round, has a somewhat distinct report, which English would be intimately familiar with. Very interesting.

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  6. EclecticAK says:

    Also, that video is from a Waco TV station. The fact they are airing Mr. English’s comments virtually unedited leads to the conclusion that the loca media is FINALLY beginning to notice that something is seriously wrong here…..

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  7. lilbirdee'12 says:

    This was posted by one of the host at FB page for All for 1 Rally.

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  8. coeurdaleneman says:

    Has this fiasco been turned over to an outside agency for an investigation, yet? I haven’t been following it religiously. Thanks in advance.

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  9. furrcats says:

    170 people are going to own the Waco jail and maybe the whole town

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  10. LadyRavenSDC says:
  11. Stephen says:

    After it calmed down, law enforcement stepped in.

    I suspect that this is a big, fat lie.

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  12. Josh says:

    If you’re into petitions:
    Free The Waco Bikers!
    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/free-the-waco-bikers

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  13. archer52 says:

    Good. We are hearing from people there. The ear witness who “didn’t see anything” confirms a couple of things- 1. the bikers shot first. 2. the police responded. 3. Bikers had small arms, police assault weapons.

    The police were not shooting any biker they saw. I’m now wondering who many guns the police recovered, or knives. How many were shot, how many were stabbed. A good video would help and that has to be coming along at some point.

    Now the question should be- who is this biker and what crew does he run with? Scimitars? Cossacks? Boys Club? I’m assuming TCTH crew is going to start digging now we have a name.

    If he is a former Marine and an honest guy caught up in the mess, then he can get out, be a witness. If he is playing a part, then we’ll know that too.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      ” 1. the bikers shot first. 2. the police responded. 3. Bikers had small arms, police assault weapons.”

      I missed the part where he confirmed #1 and #3a, can you point me to it Archer?

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    • EclecticAK says:

      Archer, you are an ass. Read all about Mr. English here…. https://amyirenewhite.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/the-distorted-truth-biker-victims-of-waco/

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    • Les says:

      They have their own little motorcycle club, less than ten members. Their wives are full members. They are not part of the 1% crew. They ride at military funerals, so they are probably most likely associated with a patriotic group like the Patriot Riders.

      These folks were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don’t think they deserved to be arrested and held, but they rolled the dice when they decided to hang with the biker gangs.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        the thing is they weren’t “hanging with the biker gangs”. It was a regional meeting for all bikers. The really messed up part is there just so happened to be 1% there at the meeting as well. If that’s hanging out with them then I need to cut back on going to my neighborhood pub to watch hockey so I don’t get accused of hanging with any possible child molesters in attendance.

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        • LadyRavenSDC says:

          “there just so happened to be 1% there at the meeting as well”
          You know what Ziiggii? I don’t even know if that is true. Where did we get that information? Are we just assuming? All the pictures we have seen – how does one ID a 1%? Is there a patch or something? Did Swanton tell us that?

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          • Ziiggii says:

            We know Bandidos were there… and they are a 1% OMG. The Cossacks seem to be an outside the 1% that want to be inside the 1% and have decided to at least push the Bandidos buttons. Whether those 2 MC’s were the start of all this who knows.

            But, I’m still of the opinion that AFT/FBI have been trying to infiltrate the Bandidos and there was an UC present that day. The resulting “fire fight” was a sting gone terribly wrong. JMHO and pure speculation.

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      • sundance says:

        Its the “wrong place/wrong time” argument.

        Also known as the “Safari Principle” applied to when it’s safe to be in public. Except, in this example, as you have it framed, the police are the predators.

        Can you give me the complete and unabridged “dice rules” so I know specifically when it’s safe to roam about the public parts of the country?

        Thanks.

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    • sedge2z says:

      Archer52, your #1 supposition is not definitely a “biker”, but he was perhaps someone wanting to get the party started (rifles blazing). Mr. English’s account and the CCTV Video was also confirmed by the witness who hid in the grass: the first shooter ran out to the patio, shot his small arms gun, then ran back inside the restaurant. Why would a biker do that? and who was already there at Twin Peaks? The shots from the patio were enough of an excuse for the LE sharpshooters to begin firing on their targets.

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  14. Father Thyme says:

    I guess no one wants to talk about the false allegations made by an attorney representing some of those arrested. What happened to all those liberty minded patriots who were screaming bloody murder about this waiver yesterday?

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    • joshua says:

      spot on…leaping to conclusions prior to investigation.

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      • Rojas says:

        As compared to those Waco cops who swore up the fill in the blank affidavits???

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Joshua, you may want to read what you just posted. “leaping to conclusions prior to investigation” That is just what the authorities in Waco did when they decided to make mass arrests before conducting a thorough investigation.

        Notice how the Waco authorities have not broken down the numbers of each of the “outlaw motorcycle gangs” they have in custody. My suspicion is that they can’t. If they do it will be obvious that a great many of those arrested do not belong to any OMG and their meme about the gathering of OMG’s falls apart.

        You have friends on the force. Ask them where the Chief of the Police is. Why hasn’t he made a statement on the biggest incident during his tenure as chief. Have you friends told you what happened? Did they tell you who and why the decision was made to make mass arrests. I don’t know your relationship with the officers, but I doubt that they will be completely honest with you. They can’t . The way this incident was handled post shooting is a train wreck.

        There are proper ways to handle these types of incidents and this wasn’t one of them.

        Take Care

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    • Rojas says:

      I suspect that will end up in civil court.
      One lawyer made some pretty disparaging remarks about another attorney in a public forum. If there is no truth to the allegations I don’t think she’ll just let it slide.

      I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if the original pitch did come from someone in the DAs office through one of their ex employees.

      DA’s office has been gutted recently. Perhaps someone thought they’d show a little initiative.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      The problem is it’s a “he said/she said” battle. From linked KVVX story:

      She (Lannen) said that release did not mention her name at that time. After the initial release was sent, Lannen said she talked to Looney about sending a joint statement between her clients and one of Looney’s clients regarding an upcoming peaceful motorcycle protest. She said the three clients all belong to the Distorted motorcycle club. However, she said that conversation turned to very unhealthy and aggressive rather quickly.

      Lannen said her name appeared in the press release after she had that conversation with Looney.

      So which one was it and will it matter in regards to the possible “unlawful” detention and absurd bonds on those being detained that were not even involved or “caught” in the aftermath round up? Everything stinks in this story and I wager a bet that these false allegations were some type of stunt on behalf of the defense attorneys to put pressure on the WPD to lower bond amounts or to shame the WPD into doing the latter. Looney, to possibly cover his tracks, tries to throw an attorney from a competing firm under the bus as to not end up with egg on his face. Wonder how a judge will rule on this once things get into the court room?

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      • smiley says:

        also sounds like someone there might be trying to “undo” what might be a semblance of impropriety.
        not a lot of ethics shown yet, in Waco.
        maybe something went
        “public” unexpectedly, with this “release” snafu.
        and everybody denies & points fingers.
        as usual, we wonder what exactly is the truth.

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    • smiley says:

      waiting for the dust to settle.

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  15. jackphatz says:

    I dunno, not good. If you release too many in any one days time, you risk the chance of the media finding out the massive falsehoods involved here. You know, most will come out saying much of the same too. The media does not care about the innocent bikers but they are very interested in bad cops.
    I know this is Texas, and Texas is viewed somewhat differently but holy cow, this is looking bad to anyone who can read. The police are in a fight for legitimacy in every city, every state. The cringe worthiness of these event is not helping the negative perceptions officers face.
    Waco might want hurry along the check writing then fire all who can be fired. Now will the question be class action or individual lawsuit?

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  16. Ziiggii says:

    Some info on the Distorted MC from blogger Amy White:

    Distorted MC is a new mom and pop motorcycle club in Texas. “Mom and Pop” means they are family oriented, all very close knit and loving and most club events are okay to bring the whole family. They are proud of their seven members and five ol ladies, who spend one hundred percent of their club time and money doing things to help children in need, clothes drives toy runs, and sponsoring families at Christmastime. The fact that this MC is very much NOT one of the hardcore clubs is that it allows women to become full patch wearers. […]

    […]They have all lost their jobs, vehicles, and reputations. Their club would have to gather an accumulative 6,000-6,000,000 to get them all out on bond. Morgan and her husband are both in jail, which has to be having a detrimental effect on their home and life.

    https://amyirenewhite.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/the-distorted-truth-biker-victims-of-waco/


    William and Morgan English

    • William was unable to contact work and has been terminated, losing all benefits . He had a severance package from being laid off from Valmont (an infrastructure and agriculture company that made farming equipment)
    • Morgan is a bank teller
    • They were looking at a possible move to Houston while William continues to look for work

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    • Ziiggii says:

      A little more background on William from his sister, Melissa English:

      “William English is the SA for Distorted. He loves being part of the family and riding his bike. William is a retired Marine and served in Iraq as well as a six month training mission through South America. He joined the Marines straight out of highschool. He loves his country and and fought proudly. William is very loyal and protective to those he loves. He will go out of his way to help anyone and would give a stranger the shirt off his back. He was recently laid off from Valmont, along with approx. 160 other employes, when their dept was shut down. He is supposed to receive a severance package from Valmont. However, having to miss this last week of work due to this crazy situation, he has been “terminated” rather than “laid off”. He has now lost his severance pay.”


      during tour in Iraq

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      • EclecticAK says:

        BTW, that is not an average Jarheads M-4 he is packing there….. that long gun is a designated sniper’s weapon……. like I suggested earlier, take this dudes words about firearms and gunfire as gospel……..

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        • Ziiggii says:

          yeah I think he knows a thing or two about weapons, the Boonie is a dead give away. Oh and this SAW also supports him having a specialized knowledge of firearms for those that know about Marine grunt training

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        • Clearly it’s a M4, but I cannot ascertain it’s overly specialized for sniper work, care to share what you may know?

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          • wrongonred says:

            No, clearly it is not an M4. Note the long loop sling. It is for precision shooting, and can be wrapped around your support arm in such a way to provide a stable firing platform.

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            • Any rifle can have a sling! As far as my miserable iPhone screen, it resembles a M4 but the barrel reminds me of a Dragunov sniper rifle, which would be in the theater, at any rate I yield the floor on the rifle.. Hey thanks on the suppressor link.

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              • Ziiggii says:

                Personally, I think it’s a SR-25/Mk II or a SCAR. Those look like M16/AR’s and have interchangeable parts of the latter. Meaning he could have had Force RCON training.

                One final note, all rifle’s have slings in the field and M4’s do not have long slings, ever.

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          • EclecticAK says:

            Note the loooooong barrel with flash suppresor, what appears to be folded-up bipod legs, what appears to be a skinny folding carry handle, etc. etc, etcetera…… Probably a .308 based on an M-14 platform. It also appears he has a personal carry sidearm that seems to be a long barreled revolcer as opposed to a military issue 9mm semi-auto….. I really like this dude’s style….. 😉

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            • EclecticAK says:

              By gosh, I might have to retract the above….. I think Bob Noxious has called it below, I was envisioning a different stock hidden behind his body that doesn’t exist….. the M249 DOES have the carry handle too…..

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        • canadacan says:

          Interesting

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        • BobNoxious says:

          That looks like an M249 light machine gun w/out the tripod or drum magazine.

          Here is one that is mounted but has the same type of strap…

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      • Ziiggii says:

        He was in Bravo Co 1st BN 23rd Marines (Grunts) and this was their deployment info:

        Operation Iraqi Freedom (June 2004) The battalion was again mobilized in June 2004 to conduct three months of pre-deployment training at the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms, California in preparation for their upcoming deployment in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. The battalion arrived in Iraq, relieving 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines in late August 2004. They augmented the 7th Marine Regiment, helping to secure the area spanning the Hit-Haditha corridor, west of Ramadi, out to the Syrian border of the Al Anbar Province. Initial assignments for the battalion’s companies in Iraq saw assignments in Ar-Rutbah, Al Asad Airbase and Hit.

        They call themselves the “Battlin Bastards”
        https://www.facebook.com/groups/128064913579/?pnref=lhc
        here’s a post from one of his Brothers
        https://www.facebook.com/groups/128064913579/permalink/10153035673288580/

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      • joshua says:

        VALMONT INDUSTRIES TO LAY OFF 160 WORKERS
        May 1, 2015 – News

        A long-time employer in Brenham, Valmont Industries has announced that they will be laying off 160 workers, or 40 percent of their workforce due to a downturn in business.

        Currently, the company has 369 people at its Brenham plant. The company is based in Omaha, Nebraska.

        The company recently notified the workers through the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN) of the layoffs. The Act required employers with 100 employees or more to be notified at least 60 days in advance of layoffs or plant closings.

        According to Page Michel, president and CEO of the EDF, some of the laid off worker may possibly be offered jobs at other Valmont facilities, including the plant in Bellville.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      BTW – Amy Whit’s blog is a treasure trove of info on the different people caught up in this mess. As example:
      “Ester Weaver was arrested for attending a CoC meeting in Waco, Texas where a shooting occurred… along with her husband […] the only club that can be found that she has any affiliation with herself is the Queens of Sheba (Social Club) M/C. They are in fact acquainted with a secret fraternity of men who have meetings once a month all over America and shy away from media coverage… They are called the Masons. The Queens of Sheba are an order of the Eastern Star…”
      https://amyirenewhite.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/god-save-the-queen-another-female-biker-victim-of-waco/

      The Queens of Sheba Motorcycle Club is a group of Order of Eastern Star and/or women who would otherwise be eligible through the bloodline of a Master Mason, Prince Hall Affiliated.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        oh by the way she is a 30 something black female

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        • joshua says:

          Trayvon Martin’s daddy was a black Mason as well as a member of the CRIPS……that group of masons are not necessarily the group of law abiding Christian Masons we are taught about. Prince Hall Freemasonry is a branch of North American Freemasonry founded by Prince Hall in the 18th century and composed predominantly of African Americans

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        • lorac says:

          During the Trayvon Martin incident, we learned that his father belonged to the Masons, to a sect that is all black. I think it was called Prince Hall Masons, and IIRC, they aren’t recognized by real Masons.

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      • joshua says:

        Queens of Sheba and related black male MC get together…throwing gang signs??

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  17. Les says:

    Whoa…
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/21/feds-go-after-motorcycle-gang-members-by-claiming-rights-to-their-logo/

    I think this is crazy. The new trial was supposed to start today.

    Can the feds forbid you from wearing a “Mongols” vest? Because why not the reds/blues of the black gangs?

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    • Ziiggii says:

      “It not just stripping them of their identity, or robbing them of a recruiting tool, it’s taking the star off their helmet,” said a law enforcement source in Los Angeles. “The logo itself furthers a criminal enterprise.”

      mmm, something doesn’t jive with that logic

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    • joshua says:

      I want to see what the FEDS(Eric Holder crowd) plan to do about the MC tattoos on the members body….will they be forced to laser remove them, cut them off via amputation, or pay fees and taxes to display the logo tattoos? Will it otherwise be illegal, unlawful, and a jailable offense? This is getting REALLY stupid. Is this still AMERICA, or did I do a Rip Van Winkle and doze off when socialize took over North America?

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  18. georgiafl says:

    Isn’t this business in Waco a job for the Texas Governor and Attorney General to look into?

    Even in Texas there can be corruption.

    The local prosecutor is the son of a TX Supreme Court Justice…that may be why he’s getting away with improprieties in regard to confiscating property, and his various other actions.

    Prosecutors everywhere from in Baltimore (Mosby) to FL (Angela Corey) seem to have too wide a latitude in their powers to arrest, etc.

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    • joshua says:

      holding the vehicles is not confiscation, it is merely putting the bikes into storage while the bikers are in jail and the charges or no charges against them is sorted out.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Joshua,

        You forgot to mention the bikers have the privilege of paying the for the towing and storage fees for their towed vehicles. Some may say this is a form of punishment or a extrajudicial fine.

        I also have now spoken with a number of very sharp retired LEO’s about the way the Waco authorities handled this matter. None of the folks I’ve spoken with believes this was the proper. In fact most of what they said can’t be posted on a family friendly forum. 🙂

        Take Care

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        • pspsst says:

          Lol. Last sentence. I can hear it. God bless our retirees from both forces, police and military, for their good sense and “opinion”. Thank them for us 🙂

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    • Ziiggii says:

      The life of a 1% OMC member:

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    • Ziiggii says:

      He’s a Line Rider as well

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      • EclecticAK says:

        I think that was the club he was in before Distorted. Seems I’ve seen mention that a Linerider they know was one of the shot-but-not-killed (stomach wound). BTW, I have read the injured are being arrested as they are discharged from the hospital and being detained at a different facility than the original 170+………

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        • joshua says:

          source of information??

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        • LadyRavenSDC says:

          “I have read the injured are being arrested as they are discharged from the hospital…”
          Then that just means the SOB’s are still confident that they are NOT going to be taken to task for this disaster. Where are the damn videos! Pathetic!

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        • BobNoxious says:

          That’s not true. Everyone has been release from the hospital now and according to the KWTX report from last week none of them have been charged.

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          • oldiadguy says:

            Bob, do find the fact that none of the persons released from the hospital have been arrested a little odd under the circumstances, where so many people were arrested just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

            Take Care

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  19. Director says:

    Definite massacre by cops.

    Sickening.

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  20. Director says:

    Pop pop pop!

    Ftt, fttt, pfffft, rat a tat ftt, pffftt, tappa-rat a tat, ftttt…repeat for 15-20 seconds.

    Doesn’t look good for the co

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  21. dkwtexas says:

    I think when everyone realizes that the bikers are not in gangs but clubs, it will allow you to see them as everyday people. They have jobs, families, pets, friends, go on vacations, watch sports, grocery shop do you get the picture? They just enjoy riding motorcycles. They love the brotherhood and bond of the riders. No different then sport fanatics, hunters, or people who love fishing etc. they just chose motorcycles. I’ve been around bikers for 30 plus years and they are the best people. Their normal. Sure there are some that are rough. But isn’t that found in all walks of life??

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    • Yes indeed. Good & Evil co-exist in every single aspect of life ( human )

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    • michellc says:

      I came to that conclusion when I started searching for them on FB. Including many who are Bandidos and Cossacks are normal folks on FB.

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    • joshua says:

      that is true unless you are in the Banditos, Hells Angels, Cossacks, or the MC that are engaged in criminal activities. Like Bowling…most bowling clubs are fun…Some are a bunch of drug rowdies.

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      • dkwtexas says:

        My point being they don’t get up every morning saying who can I go rob, rape or kill today. It’s just not like that. Not like some “gangs”.

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    • joshua says:

      many of us have tons of friends with bikes…my next door neighbor has three Harleys and he and his wife travel the entire country together by bike…and have friends that bike together. I have experience with bike rallies and clubs. These are not gangs. But Certain Biker Clubs are Gangs. At least two of the Waco deal “clubs” fit the “gangs” category. Heck, Baby Boomers who retired in rural counties make up a majority of Harley owners…not the outlaw gangsters. This Waco deal is an event poorly thought out and executed that went real bad. That a FIGHT started over a Parking Place lets one recognize the cultural and social mentality of those that started a violent deal…much like the Ferguson and Baltimore, NYC, Cleveland, St. Louis bad deals that went violent…was not everyone in the neighborhood….but the destruction and violence happened because of cultural and behavior issues of a few poorly matured adults.

      the landscape guy is represented by a lawyer in his civil suit…that said, the press is used by lawyers to create a case for a civil suit. Yes the guy owns a landscape business. That is has to 6 to 9 PART TIME employees is a fact….that he might lose his business depends on ability to do the work…he contracts as a fact with the City of Waco, who his lawyer is sueing…not a good way to keep your business going….by the way, he has signed Waco city “forms” to do business IN BLANK, without dates, and not filled in fully so to claim he was abused by someone filling in a BLANK form is pretty much a lawyer tactic, not especially uncommon in Municipal and County business….That his ex wife’s LAWYER ceased on this to try to get custody of his kids is a function of the ex wife’s lawyer and her and his relationship…not a function of what happened but a function of using it as an opportunity to make something happen that has nothing to do with riding a bike. Just because you are a college grad, a former fireman, have kids a business and a wife does not mean you can just blindly ride around or hangout with otherwise questionable folks who might not be as “responsible” and NEVER have anything BAD happen to you…..today, growups are figuring out that there are situations, places, and times NOT to be at certain EVENTS.

      I keep trying to post pragmatic comments, but a lot of them get blown away. Maybe this too….but I do not believe in following the media who merely copies lawyer’s press releases and take those propaganda events as statements of the clear factual truth.

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      • Agree to many of your points. If any thinks the Banditos are a ” safe ” MC you are not being honest with yourself.
        They ( Banditos ) hang their hats (bandanas) on the being outlaw. They are proud of this. There was peace at TP UNTILL the Banditos show.. Less than 3 minutes or so, SHTF..

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        • Rojas says:

          Lived in just up the road from Waco all my life, right in the middle of Bandido territory.
          If those guys were responsible one tenth of the organized crime law enforcement attributes to them in their “intelligence reports” they’d be bigger than Goldman Sachs.

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        • oldiadguy says:

          Scott, at this point we don’t know what happened. We have two different versions of events, one the Cossacks started it and the other the Bandidos started it. For some reason, the Waco PD who were on the scene and saw the start of the incident, have custody of and viewed the videos are not saying what happened.

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      • Rojas says:

        Paving the road to hell.
        Not very pragmatic.

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      • coeurdaleneman says:

        I too have little sympathy for those who put themselves into higher risk situations, especially parents with dependents. (For that matter, riding any bike is out of the question for cautious little me–even one who used to ski and snowboard 🙂 )

        That being said, the real difficulty here is with the actions of the authorities, and the specious legal principle that attendance = association = automatic criminality. And with the misstatements of fact or downright lying. And with the heavy handed bond tactics. And with a police force investigating itself.

        The fact that I personally have issues with the sensibility of biking pales by comparison. But go ahead and rag on them if it makes your day …

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        • coeurdaleneman says:

          I have one other important concern with this case: the possible hidden hand of the feds.

          It seems like that, whenever a “task force” of any sort exists these days, the feds are providing funding, materiel, advice and intel. And increasingly, it is being hidden in order to cover up the level of involvement nationwide.

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      • BobNoxious says:

        Another point re: the some of the claims about “attending to learn about legislative issues” (and this mostly pertains to Clendennen’s claims in his lawsuit); this was apparently a meeting organized by the COC&I- an organization of which the Bandidos are members/affiliated with. However, the Cossacks, Scimitars and their affiliates are not members of the COC&I. Furthermore, Waco does not have a Bandidos chapter- it is a Cossack town.

        So right of the bat, you have a Bandidos affiliated organization (and the Bandidos themselves) hosting a meeting in a rivals territory & you have the Cossacks & Scimitars showing up in force at a meeting of which they were not invited- because it was in their territory. That’s a recipe for disaster and anyone who was a member of either club would know this before they ever drove up to the place.

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  22. wrongonred says:

    Does anyone know enough about the Texas Legal System to know if this piece is accurate? According to this, a Justice of the Peace cannot set bonds exceeding 10k, and only has authority to hear misdemeanor cases if jail time is not contemplated. This is the first I have heard, but makes this stink even worse! (as if it was possible)

    http://mcatty.com/the-latest-on-waco-shooting-a-shocker/

    “The arrest warrants were issued by a Justice of the Peace, not a judge! A Justice of the Peace has the authority to hear misdemeanor cases if no jail time is sought and civil cases not exceeding $10,000 (small claims courts). The Justice of the Peace that issued the arrest warrants, Walter H. “Pete” Peterson, is a former Public Safety Trooper with no formal legal training; meaning he is not a judge nor an attorney!”

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    • pspsst says:

      Yeah, about the Judge and judicial credibility since 2013, Rasmussen says:

      Only 33% Think Most Judges Follow the Law in Their Rulings

      Judges are often criticized for legislating from the bench, and just one-in-three voters now believes most judicial rulings follow the law as written.

      Hello, Debbie — GZ’s judicial stalker.

      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2013/only_33_think_most_judges_follow_the_law_in_their_rulings

      I’ve also read that bond companies are very reluctant to approve $1M bonds for fear of being left forfeit. This Justice of the Peace knew this at the very least.

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    • BobNoxious says:

      That’s incorrect, a justice of the peace may serve as a magistrate judge and set bail conditions.

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    • joshua says:

      Texas Law:

      Art. 17.15. RULES FOR FIXING AMOUNT OF BAIL. The amount of bail to be required in any case is to be regulated by the court, judge, magistrate or officer taking the bail; they are to be governed in the exercise of this discretion by the Constitution and by the following rules:
      1. The bail shall be sufficiently high to give reasonable assurance that the undertaking will be complied with.
      2. The power to require bail is not to be so used as to make it an instrument of oppression.
      3. The nature of the offense and the circumstances under which it was committed are to be considered.
      4. The ability to make bail is to be regarded, and proof may be taken upon this point.
      5. The future safety of a victim of the alleged offense and the community shall be considered.
      Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        “2. The power to require bail is not to be so used as to make it an instrument of oppression.
        3. The nature of the offense and the circumstances under which it was committed are to be considered.
        4. The ability to make bail is to be regarded, and proof may be taken upon this point.”

        and yet here is what the Justice of the Peace W.H. “Pete” Peterson was quoted as saying on May 18th:

        “I think it is important to send a message,” Peterson said. “We had nine people killed in our community. These people just came in, and most of them were from out of town. Very few of them were from in town.”

        So the bond amounts can be argued as excessive and/or out right unlawful since it seems, based off the Justice’s above statement, to wish to oppress all those arrested to “send a message”?

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        • BobNoxious says:

          The capital murder charge for which these people were arrested justifies the million dollar bonds.

          The argument regarding whether they all should have been arrested for capital murder is a separate issue.

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          • How are bonds being reduced? Some @ 25,000, @ 100,000, some are out on a Million$ bond, is this reduction based on evidence processed already or something else?

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            • BobNoxious says:

              The reductions are being handled on a case by case basis and I’d assume the reasons includes things like ongoing review of evidence, personal circumstances, etc.

              The Waco Trib article states: Prosecutors waited to receive more information from police investigators, including reports and videos of the incident, before beginning negotiations with attorneys to reduce bonds and start the process of freeing many of the bikers.

              At least one person had his bond reduced but then had an additional charge of unlawfully carrying a weapon (or something similar) added, and that charge came w/ an additional $5,000 bond.

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  23. lorac says:

    I was reading the amywhite website. People losing their jobs, vehicles, and reputations is bad enough.

    I read earlier that some people had their cell phones, at least for a time, but apparently some didn’t. They weren’t allowed their legally allowed phone calls for several days. People lost jobs, and that one guy lost his layoff/severance pay, because they couldn’t contact their jobs (and also because everyone was being portrayed as a gang member).

    I was thinking, what if there had been a MC club wife and husband who had kids old enough to be by themselves for a few hours on a Sunday afternoon, but not old enough to be living on their own in the home. If the parents weren’t able (not having a cell phone or not being allowed one call on the police phone) to make a call to a neighbor or a family member or friend, what happens to the kids?! That’s so wrong.

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    • LadyRavenSDC says:

      Amy White in one of her posts today mentioned bikers losing their children.
      Your point is so valid.
      I cannot help but wonder at how many homes the CPS showed up to do their thing?

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      • pspsst says:

        He’s the Scimitar who launched a lawsuit a week before he was finally released on lowered bond. He’s setting a precedent for lawsuits feared by the WPD. I doubt the mention of immunity from further lawsuits in exchange for lowered bond came up out of thin air. It’s very difficult if not impossible for 177 jailed bikers to find 177 $1M bond approvals during the same period when bond companies are known to be reluctant to approve such hefty $ amount risks. They are left holding the bill if a bondee goes on the lam.

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      • joshua says:

        CPS doesn’t normally “show up” unless someone in particular reports a potentially unsafe situation…especially in rural counties. If folks riding the bikes are good normal everyday neighborhood situated folks and parents, they have neighbors, friends, family member, and even employers that will check up on them if they go missing…and who also read the papers and watch the news. Yes this is a MESS…..right now, I keep looking for something going on in our Nation that IS NOT A MESS.

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  24. pspsst says:

    She (Lannen) said that release did not mention her name at that time. After the initial release was sent, Lannen said she talked to Looney about sending a joint statement between her clients and one of Looney’s clients regarding an upcoming peaceful motorcycle protest. She said the three clients all belong to the Distorted motorcycle club. However, she said that conversation turned to very unhealthy and aggressive rather quickly.

    So let me get this straight. Looney is under the impression that Lannen stated the WPD authority, spokesperson or defender of WPD, is requesting immunity from lawsuits for reduced bond. Evenso, whatever the misunderstanding or braddagio over successful bonding out, Looney did broadcast his understanding about a requested waiver. Lannen, thereafter following the first press release, talks to Looney about sending a joint statement between their combined clients about a peaceful motorcycle protest? Why this latter business and for what end? To stop Looney’s broadcast after the CTH news that this waiver is highly illegal and therefore not on record as an allowed tactic so let’s just join a peaceful rally? Why specifically, peaceful? Don’t rile the WPD? This makes no sense. Why would Looney make this waiver up out of thin air? Seems to me Looney got very annoyed with Lannen, and it ain’t kosher. Looney’s clients are not bonded out yet I’m assuming because he was infuriated by the waiver, and Lannen is wanting his clients to join her in sending out a joint statement about a peaceful protest.

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    • John Galt says:

      Reports quoted language from the release, which means that it was typed and printed. Somebody wrote the release. That somebody is probably a lawyer. Since conditioning bond on liability release is unethical at a minimum and perhaps criminal, that somebody is unlikely to confess.

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      • BobNoxious says:

        It was one quoted phrase that anyone could’ve made up off the top of their head. It was never in writing because it never existed except in the imagination of some inmates and two attorneys- that should’ve known better.

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        • John Galt says:

          I don’t think so. Two lawyers, one a former judge, reported a lawyer to the disciplinary committee over the matter.

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          • BobNoxious says:

            Oh, you’re saying that female attorney might have drafted the document? I suppose that is possible, although I’d still be surprised. I thought you were saying the DA had something to do with it.

            From the minute the story came out it had all the hallmarks of a jailhouse rumor. Effectively posted a comment about it on his firms website, giving the idea some credence, was pretty unprofessional in my va was pretty unprofessional, in my opinion. An experienced attorney should know better.

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          • Rojas says:

            I’d like to see confirmation that this was actually reported to the State Bar of Texas.
            I’m aware that the two attorneys said they would file.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      Lonney’s site was down as of last night so I was unable to try and investigate further.

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    • michellc says:

      Looney and another attorney from another firm are both reporting her to the state bar. I do believe if I had her as an attorney I’d be firing her.

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  25. Ziiggii says:

    25 bikers released since start of bond negotiations

    $25,000 bond: Sandra Lynch, Mike Lynch, Bohar L. Crump Jr., Morgan S. English, William H. English, Justin N. Waddington, Steven Walker, Jimmy D. Spencer, Greg Corrales, Ryan Craft, Jonathan M. Lopez, Theron S. Rhoten, Juan Carlos Garcia, Jim Albert Harris and Drew David King.
    $100,000 bond: Matthew Clendennen, David Cepeda, Diego N. Obledo, Edward Keller, Jarron Hernandez, John Martinez, Boyce Rockett, Victor Pizana and Jose Andrew Valle.
    $1 million bond:Jeff Battey, David Martinez and Christopher Stainton.

    http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/bikers-released-since-start-of-bond-negotiations/article_12ffbed1-2f3a-57bf-ad14-79aed41082db.html

    I count 27 in this list that have been released so far

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    • Do you know what MC these folks belonged to? I can’t load the link you posted..(bad service day)

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      • Ziiggii says:

        It doesn’t say in the article to what groups they are affiliated with, but the reported/known MC’s I have so far are:
        Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars, Boozefighters, Leathernecks, possibly Black Widows El Paso (support MC for Bandidos), possibly Queens of Sheeba, and the “mom and pop” Distorted.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        ADD:
        Vise Grip MC
        “The eight members of Theron Rhoten’s group, the Vise Grip Club, specialize in building and riding vintage and antique motorcycles, particularly pre-1970 Harley Davidson big twin choppers, according to spokesman.”

        That’s 7 (possibly 9) MC’s and initial reports from LEO state that there were 5 MC’s there that day to talk about turf disputes as opposed to the fact that CoC had it’s event scheduled to talk about laws being presented in Austin. (this event is still present on the CoC TX website calendar)

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  26. liberty2828 says:

    The real truth is starting to leak out in additional press articles after the bikers are being released and speaking out.

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/02/4-reasons-that-waco-biker-gang-shootout

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    • Ziiggii says:

      from link inside article above:

      https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/267040628?access_key=key-H0nYxaACwBC8VHujG1Hu&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

      Despite the fact that…Clendennen committed no criminal acts he was arrested at Twin Peaks on or about May 17, 2015 without probable cause and his motorcycle was illegally seized….On or about May 18, 2015, Chavez, aided by [unnamed other police officers], presented a criminal complaint (the “criminal complaint”) against…Clendennen to Justice of the Peace Walter H. “Pete” Peterson (Peterson)….The criminal complaint alleges that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen committed the capital offense of engaging in organized criminal activity and is attached hereto as Attachment A.

      It is believed that Peterson was chosen by Chavez, Does 1-10 and Does 11-20 because he is a former Texas Department of Public Safety Trooper with no formal legal training……the identical criminal complaint used in Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen’s case was used to justify the arrest of more than 100 other individuals and only the names were changed in the various criminal complaints.

      The complaint alleges absolutely no individualize probable cause to establish that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen engaged in organized criminal activity. Moreover, Chavez…failed to inform Peterson that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen was not a member of the Cossacks nor the Bandidos and that he did not participate in any of the violence occurring at Twin Peaks but instead hid from the violence.

      The bold part is interesting because there is also a complaint being filed against the Justice with the State Commission on Judicial Conduct by Dallas based attorney Clinton Broden.
      http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/dallas-lawyer-files-complaint-against-jp-peterson-over-biker-bonds/article_753f3eec-759b-56c2-8e75-13feb9e42a12.html

      This is also from the document:

      Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen was on the patio area of Twin Peaks on that day when violence began among other individuals in or around the Twin Peaks parking lot.

      So the start of all this did happen “in or around the parking lot” outside, not inside as has been also stated.

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      • BobNoxious says:

        They stopped saying it started in the bathroom beginning on the first Wednesday (at the latest) after the shooting- about 3 days. There was a large amount of blood found in the bathroom which initially caused police to believe there was altercation in the bathroom but after reviewing video and speaking with witnesses they determined the blood was from someone injured on the patio or parking lot who ran into the bathroom.

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  27. John Galt says:

    Good news for Waco:

    “Fifteen states have laws granting their municipalities the right to file for Chapter 9 protection on their own, according to James Spiotto , a bankruptcy specialist with the Chicago law firm of Chapman and Cutler. Those states are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Idaho, Kentucky, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New York, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas and Washington. “

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  28. liberty2828 says:

    Maybe the police were counting the DECOR in twin peaks to come up with their numbers. Though I didn’t read about hatchets…

    http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2015/05/18/aftermath-of-waco-tragedy-how-san-antonio-twin.html

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  29. Tonawanda says:

    I did not see this posted. Sorry if I missed it. An account of what happened, FWIW:

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    • Ziiggii says:

      He posted this today, so it’s new to me. I think he would be a huge help to all those still being held in jail if he would release the statements he claims to have and/or push those same people to go public with their knowledge of events.

      The UC Cossack “Voodoo” pushing the Cossacks/Scimitars to be present at the CoC event, even though they are not members or usually attend such events, is an interesting accusation. That is almost impossible to verify, but if true I wonder who “Voodoo” works for? Waco PD, McLennan CSD, ATF, FBI….. oh the tangled web we weave when we try to deceive.

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    • John Galt says:

      Undercover cop named Voodoo – wow, this is sounding more and more like a setup.

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      • Yep, I believe by the police presence at TP that a UC in either the Banditos or Cossacks or both is absolutely a fact, tie in RICO, and bam! Never thought otherwise really.. My heart goes out to the innocents caught up in it though. That is a travesty of justice, as I see it.
        Of course, it coulda just been a mad biker trying to be cool..( not likely )

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      • Ziiggii says:

        What doesn’t make sense to me yet:
        If the Cossacks instigated the confrontation with the Bandidos in the parking lot then why were almost all of those killed Cossacks? “Bowtie” says in his video that it would be almost impossible for any of the Bandidos that drove up to have drawn a weapon.

        So are we to assume the Cossacks were “mostly” killed by LEO’s and that “most” of the people wounded by gunfire would be Bandidos shot by Cossacks and/or LEO’s?

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        • John Galt says:

          “The video suggests that Sunday’s deadly gunfight began outside the Twin Peaks restaurant, except for one round fired by a biker on the patio who then ran inside.”

          Voodoo?

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        • Wrongonred says:

          My understanding from Amyirene’s retelling, the Cossacks had surrounded the Bandidos still on their bikes (which explains the toppled bikes and lights still on). Because they were surrounding the Bandidos, they essentially shielded them from the incoming police fire by stopping the rounds, which makes sense.

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          • I know it was said the Banditos were late arriving, indeed, trying to park, with Cossacks just waiting around in the parking lot. What then? Were the Cossacks going to hold hands with a rival MC 1% outlaw group, to go inside? It’s starting to feel more like the Cossacks are the instigators of this ordeal.( at least to me ) at least as of now..

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            • manickernel says:

              Alternative. Bandidos intentionally arrived late knowing Cossacks would be bunched on patio. Planned drive-by ambush. Had an unexpected audience.

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              • wrongonred says:

                Arrived late? It was supposed to start at 1pm I believe, so they arrived “later” than the Cossacks, but still prior to the start of the event? How could they have known that the Cossacks would show up en mass over an hour prior to start? Contrary to what happens on Sons of Anarchy, it is albeit near impossible to fire a gun from the back of a motorcycle with any accuracy. These are not little mopeds like are used to assassinate Iranian physicists that you can just stop, fire, and be on your way. I have not seen any evidence at all which supports a “drive by” theory, and in fact, most I think would in fact weigh against it.

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      • bertdilbert says:

        Undercover cop pushing for meeting in Waco and Waco cops alleged that they do not want the meeting there. This gets more interesting. Too bad people died but the travesty of errors occurred by Waco after the event.

        If Waco really believes these are dangerous people, why would they act in a way that endangers their employees? Maybe they were worried about retaliation for killing and wounding all those bikers but by infuriating all bikers by the unfair treatment I think they open a bigger bag of worms to worry about.

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        • BobNoxious says:

          The alleged undercover was a member of the Cossacks. They are not COCI members and would have no say in the decision to hold an event in Waco. Given the tension b/w the Bandidos and Cossacks recently, I doubt it took much encouragement to get Cossacks up to Twin Peaks once they learned the Bandidos affiliated COCI would be coming to Waco- the Cossacks home turf.

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          • Josh says:

            “The alleged undercover was a[n alleged] member of the Cossacks.
            I’m thinking this Bowtie guy knows what he’s talking about but I don’t know.

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        • Josh says:

          I’m hoping much of this was a “travesty of errors” and not a travesty of intent.

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    • BobNoxious says:

      So, COCI meetings are usually held in Dallas or Austin but a decision was made about two months ago to hold one in Waco- known Cossack territory. I realize the claim is that the decision was made to accommodate outstate bikers but one cannot ignore the decision was made at the exact same time the violence b/w the Bandidos and Cossacks was escalating. That’s one heck of a curious coincidence.

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      • Yes it is.. Good observation! Remember how they pounded the statement about it being Twin Peaks fault? Hmm..

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        • BobNoxious says:

          I actually think it supports those who were frustrated with Twin Peaks’ decision to host this event, in spite of the warnings. The decision to have this meeting in Waco, in light of the fact that the Bandidos and Cossacks were going it, was not very well thought out, at a minimum.

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          • oldiadguy says:

            Bob, most of the prior incidents between the Bandidos and
            Cossacks have been spontaneous meetings. I could see that TP might believe that this meeting was going to be held at a neutral location and therefore no trouble was expected. I wish the Waco authorities would be more transparent. When we had issues with problem properties, we documented everything. Copies of registered letters sent to TP about this supposed concerns would help.

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            • BobNoxious says:

              The TP waitresses have given interviews in which they say they recall police coming in and meeting w/ the management multiple times in the weeks leading up to the incident.

              The Texas Dept of Public Safety would not issue a statewide bulletin about Cossack-Bandido violence over a couple “spontaneous” incidents.

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              • oldiadguy says:

                There is an old saying. If it is not on paper, it didn’t happen.

                “The Texas Dept of Public Safety would not issue a statewide bulletin about Cossack-Bandido violence over a couple “spontaneous” incidents.”

                From what I have been reading on various cop sites, that is what they did. However, I don’t know exactly how the warnings read or how often the TDPS would send out warnings.

                When I was active, we would receive warning notices on a regular basis. Most of them were informational updates and not alerts about pending violence.

                What happened in this case I don’t know. The way this thing is being handled by the Waco authorities gives credence that they are trying cover up something.

                They really need to be more transparent and start putting some hard facts on the table. This “trust me I’m from the government” attitude doesn’t help.

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                • BobNoxious says:

                  I would assume whatever agencies went to speak w/ Twin Peaks documented the visits and that info will come out during the discovery portion of the various lawsuits. Twin Peaks Corp.’s lawsuit against its own local franchisee alleges that they also had a discussion days prior to the incident about implementing certain security precautions which the local franchisee did not follow through with prior to the event. They also allege that the local franchisee demanded that the police leave the property prior to the shooting.

                  That’s their own corporate HQ is making those types of allegations against them- not just the government.

                  Of course it would be nice to see all the evidence today, but this is a huge investigation. It took the STL County PD and the FBI months to sort through the evidence in the Mike Brown case where there was just one person dead and one officer involved. What we are seeing here is more that 30x that in terms of involved parties. These things take time.

                  Interpreting the lack of info as evidence of a cover up is hugely unfair. The investigation is playing out without media interference; that should be a welcome relief light of current events. The Waco PD is not going to be able to cover up the fact that they shot nearly everyone, if that is ultimately what happened.

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  Bob, Sorry for the late reply. At this point I don’t think either of us should assume anything. Each side is going to put out the story that favors them. As far as the corporate HQ siding with the government claims, I see it as damage control at this point.

                  In reference to the Michael Brown shooting and how long it took to do the investigation, the investigators on the scene were confident they knew what happened within 24 hours and that it was a good shot. The reason it took so long was because of the false narrative that was inserted by Shahid and the BGI, and the need to disprove the false statements.

                  The Waco PD has done themselves a disservice by not providing information on what happened at the scene. The following article pretty much says it all.

                  http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/06/what-waco-police-wont-reveal-about-the-shootout-that-killed-9/394892/

                  I don’t think the Waco police or DPS are going to cover up what occurred, but I do believe they are slow rolling the process. I think they are looking for justification. If the police did shoot most of the victims that day, it would look much better release that information after listing all heinous crimes the bikers were eventually charged as a result of their investigation. It is a PR thing. I fear they used Texas Organized Crime statute to justify the mass arrests in a large scale “fishing trip.” This is scary stuff.

                  Take Care

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                • BobNoxious says:

                  More examples of the recent Bandidos vs Cossacks violence:

                  *Members of the Bandidos, the state’s largest biker gang, and the Cossacks, a newer, much smaller group, have tangled before in the Dallas area: Just before Christmas there was a beating at a Toys for Tots charity event in Decatur, and a slaying in a Fort Worth bar.

                  No charges were filed in the Toys for Tots attack. But three alleged members of the Bandidos face murder charges in connection with the bar killing.*

                  http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-waco-biker-shootout-investigation-20150519-story.html#page=1

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              • Josh says:

                Were the waitresses involved in the meetings? Do they know what was said in the meetings? Or do they just know that meetings occurred?

                Have you a link to an actual copy of the The Texas Dept of Public Safety’s statewide bulletin about Cossack-Bandido violence?

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              • Rojas says:

                Did Waco PD share the DPS bulletin with TP?

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                • Josh says:

                  Very good question. With whom was the bulletin (and the intelligence behind the bulletin) shared?

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                • pspsst says:

                  Did Waco PD share the DPS bulletin with Sandra Lynch, mom and pop MC who organized the luncheon and update speaker? You would think the PD would advise Ms. Lynch and the COC that something untoward may occur so that the organizers of the event could warn any revenge plot underway by any of the chapters or clubs is not permitted nor welcomed. There was obviously no sharing of bulletin with Ms. Lynch beforehand. Someone concerned with biker safety is not going to overlook danger at her organized luncheon for so many bikers.

                  Instead, PD warns TP the restaurant who have nothing to with the event except for catering to a luncheon. It’s ridiculous if PD did not send warning themselves to the biker’s association warning of some obscure plot they have been alerted to by “someone” regarding the luncheon.

                  There were registration desks out in the open, not something nefarious capital murderers a.k.a the Federation of Bikers would conduct.

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          • joshua says:

            Pictures on FB of Front Burner Restaurants LLC…the owner of the franchises of Twin Peaks that pulled their license agreement with Waco Indian American Management group that had the restaurant the bikers met at. Not a class bunch. Pics from corporate meeting of Ideas and Conference discussions??

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      • OldIADGuy says:

        The plot thickens. Who made the decision to move the event and when was that decision made. So many questions, so many questions.

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        • BobNoxious says:

          The COCI leadership presumably sets the meeting schedule- the question is what role, if any, did the Bandidos play in suggesting the meeting be moved to Waco?

          The Cossacks are a Waco centered MC but they are not members of the COCI, and are in fact rivals of the COCI member Bandidos. So, they (Cossacks) almost assuredly wouldn’t have any say in a decision to hold a COCI meeting in Waco- and as we saw, were seemingly opposed to the idea, as they showed up, uninvited.

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          • art tart says:

            BobNoxious ~ Maybe I have confused this w/another event, but I thought this was an open meeting @ TP for all clubs , hence, those that didn’t belong to either club being there but arrived on MC’s.

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            • BobNoxious says:

              The Confederation of Clubs and Independents scheduled the meeting in Waco. The Bandidos are members of the COCI. The Cossacks refuse to pay dues to the club, thus they are not members of the COCI. I’m sure the COCI is “open” to unaffiliated clubs that want to get info about the COCI and maybe eventually join, but it would not be “open” to a club like the Cossacks that want nothing to do with them and are openly hostile w/ some of the COCI members.

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            • Josh says:

              This meeting was open to all. Again, one of the dead :-(, Jesus “Mohawk” Rodriguez was not a member of any club.

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          • Josh says:

            We don’t know that it was the Bandidos that suggested the meeting be moved. I know you said “if any”.

            Even though the Cossacks are not members of the COCI it could have been them that cried that the meetings are too far away. These meetings are open to all. To say that the Cossacks “were seemingly opposed to the idea” of the meeting being held in Waco may not be a valid assumption.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        The coincidence is troubling IMHO. Would any of that “change of venue” be called for from an Agency/LEO to setup conditions or provoke an altercation to “round up” all the criminals? Would an UC embedded inside the Cossacks convince the club to show up at the CoC event knowing that the Bandidos were going to show up since they are members?

        Sting gone horribly wrong

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        • BobNoxious says:

          No, the decision would’ve been made by COCI leadership and the only question is what role, if any, did the Bandidos have in deciding to host the event in Waco- known Cossack territory?

          The Cossacks, not being members of the COCI (whereas the Bandidos are members), would not have any role in deciding where to host the event and, as we saw by the fact they showed up in force, were obviously against the COCI holding it in their territory.

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          • Wrongonred says:

            I have to think that had the Bandidos anticipated violence, there would have been more of them present, especially if the thought that they were on Cossack turf. That is the thing, you err on the side of overwhelming force over enemy lines, reports I have seen put the number at 20 some Bandidos, a much smaller force. Not to mention, you don’t roll in late with such intentions into a situation you don’t have a sitrep on if you anticipate an altercation. Stubbs video squares with the witness reports I have seen who reported seeing the Bandidos roll by at 12:06pm. In fact, it fits perfect with Stubbs’s timeline of things popping off at 12:20 or so.

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            • Josh says:

              Stubbs says that 9 Banditos showed up at around 12:13pm and another 7-ish showed up at around 12:20pm. I appreciate your analysis, Wrongonred.

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          • Josh says:

            BobNoxious, you seem to be coming to many conclusions but I’m not sure upon what they are based.

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            • BobNoxious says:

              I’ll explain it to you again…

              Waco is a Cossack town- there is no Bandidos chapter in Waco.

              The Cossacks and Bandidos are rivals that have engaged in several violent altercations in recent months, including the murder of a Cossack by 3 Bandidos in Dec. @ a Ft Worth, TX bar; an assault at a Toys for Tots event; assault and bike theft along I-35; assault at a gas station.

              The Bandidos are members of the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents (TCOC&I). The Cossacks are not members of the TCOC&I b/c of the groups affiliation w/ the Bandidos.

              The TCOC&I meets regularly but usually holds its meeting around Dallas and Austin, TX. However, about two months ago, a decision was made by the TCOC&I to hold the May meeting in Waco.

              Those are all known facts.

              Given those facts, specifically, the ongoing violence b/w the Cossacks and Bandidos & that Waco is a Cossack town, the TCOC&I’s (a Bandido affiliated organization) decision to hold a meeting in Waco- Cossack turf- is somewhat curious. Perhaps it’s just a coincidence; perhaps it’s something more nefarious… Nobody knows right now, but it’s a question worth asking.

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              • joshua says:

                I would bet the Indian Owners of the Twin Peaks Restaurant franchise made a discount deal with them to get their business.

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              • wrongonred says:

                So, are we completely discounting what seems to be the most likely situation, that outstate members of the folks who attend really did ask that the location of the meeting be located closer to them? Waco is about 200 miles between both San Antonio and Houston and about 150 miles from Dallas. 150-200 miles is a perfect distance for Mom and Pop Clubs who only ride on the weekends to go KSU at 7-8am or so, stop for lunch after a 5 or so hour ride, and then turn around and make it home before dark.

                This meeting had individuals speaking who were reporting from the Annual NCOM conference. This was COCI Region 7, however, there are also regions in DFW and Houston. You make it sound as if some last minute audible was called to change the location, instead of something planned out 2 months ahead of time, with some “big” name speakers in the Biker’s Rights movement set to speak. Perhaps it actually really was done to accommodate those individuals from those neighboring regions as well so that they could all hear from the speakers as well, with a riding distance which could easily be made to and from the meeting? Being in a Mom and Pop Club, that explanation seems perfectly plausible to me, as most folks are ready for a break at around 150-200 miles or so, and very few are going to get up at 5am to ride 300-400 miles and then do it all over again. You are quite worn out after that. I think the simplest explanation makes the most sense here with a venue being firmed up 2 months ahead of time (I think only 1 of the Bandido v Cossack events had occurred at that point when it was booked)

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                • BobNoxious says:

                  The murder and the Toys for Tots assault occurred in Dec 2014. The assault/bike thefts both occurred on March 22, 2015- almost exactly 2 months before the twin peaks incident.

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                • wrongonred says:

                  So, are you suggesting the woman who is part of the Mom and Pop Club is a co-conspirator and set the meeting up specifically with this intention as pay back? They knew the Cossacks, who do not typically show up at COCI events would for some reason show up and/or randomly be present at Twin Peaks on the meeting day, just because it was in Waco? To plan all of that would require a great degree of clairvoyance, and really force the suspension of disbelief at the level of forethought which would have been required in order for one to reach your conclusion of “the Bandidos set the Cossacks up for what amounted to an organized hit.”

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  30. Ziiggii says:

    It will be interesting to see if SD can corroborate the account of “Bowtie” with that of the emailer he wrote about a few posts back. The pictures seem to jive with Bowtie’s account of the Bandidos just driving up and parking when they were approached by the Cossacks. The lights still being “on” on those bikes always stuck out as curious to me.

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    • BobNoxious says:

      Everything he said about the shooting could be deduced from information already available online.

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    • oldiadguy says:

      “Bowtie’s” version of events would also explain why there are so few bikes in the driveway. If the anon Cossack version was correct about 100 Banditos riding up, then most of them fled when the shooting started. Two radically different version of events presented by opposing factions.

      The police won’t release any video, the reason for the mass arrest, who made that decision, the number of members of the various “gangs” they have in custody, what kind of injuries the wounded sustained or the types of weapons (calibers) used on the deceased. The list goes on and on.

      Yep, nothing wrong here.

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      • BobNoxious says:

        This pic taken from the helicopter hours after the shooting stopped show a line of bikes trailing around the building that ultimately leads up to the parking lot where incident took place. It obviously doesn’t show a hundred bikes but it does appear as though people were suddenly stopped as they rode up. I assume some went up to see what was happening and some might’ve sped off.

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        • oldiadguy says:

          Yes I’m familiar with that photo. That photo could corroborate either version. If the anon Cossack version is correct, then the lead of the Bandido run, who would have imitated the violence could have fled, leaving some of their number engaged in fights with Cossacks and were unable to flee due to the arrival of the police.

          The Don Carlos’ video is very important in this case. I don’t see how the Waco authorities can keep stonewalling while their credibility continues to sink. They need to start putting some hard facts into the public arena. If they don’t, this is not going to get better for them as more bikers make bond and it is discovered that they are not members of either OMG.

          One other point, remember all those towed motorcycles and other vehicles of the persons arrested. I suspect they will be paying towing fee and storage. Looking into who tows for the Waco PD may be interesting. I started to look into it last night, but kept getting pulled away. (Family Needs)

          Take Care

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          • BobNoxious says:

            I’m sure towing companies made a killing off of this but that seems to be the norm everywhere across the U.S., absent statutes governing the amount one may be charged to get an impounded vehicle released. There is little more frustrating in this world than dealing with towing companies.

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            • oldiadguy says:

              My old PD and the towing company got hammered for some “unusual” towing practices. Some folks went to jail and my old chief was forced to retire.

              I wonder if their are any connections between the towing company and ?????

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              • Wrongonred says:

                I worked for Hanaway a couple years prior to her investigating Joe and was very surprised that she decided to stop peeling back the layers of the onion and let Joe ride off into the sunset. S&H was just the tip of the iceberg. There were things going on, which I know Joe had knowledge of, not the least of which were trips from St. Louis to Chicago of certain individuals in the dead of night. Some big names involved. Almost wondered if she stopped because she was asked to because some of these extended far beyond Joe, and Joe knew enough.

                What really bothers me though is why it is grand theft auto in one case, and in another, a breach of the public trust and theft on massive levels. Shepherd got the worst of it, and he was the least “guilty” of the guilty in my mind. Very sad day for STLMPD. Knew good officers who were disgusted from there on out. (which DI only further reiterated)

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  She didn’t stop. Obama was elected and the investigation came to a sudden stop.

                  Yes, there was a lot more to it, but a public forum is not the place to discuss it.

                  SHHHHH

                  Take Care

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              • Josh says:

                My investigation shows that Tow King of Waco is the main towing company used by the Waco PD. Waco PD has their own impound lot.
                http://www.towkingwaco.com/

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          • Josh says:

            Do the Waco PD have body cams?

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            • oldiadguy says:

              Didn’t see any in any of the officers in this incident or any other photos I saw of Waco officers.

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            • michellc says:

              No, I can’t remember now which Waco media source I read it at. I searched if they did and it pulled up an article that a Waco PD spokesman, I can’t recall now if it was the chief or not was against them.
              They do have dash cams though.

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      • Josh says:

        ” … the mass arrest, who made that decision …” Good question. Who made the decision and when was the decision made?

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  31. Josh says:

    Out today:
    Twin Peaks Waco- What the Video Will Show (as soon as it is released)- Biker Witnesses’s Perspective

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  32. Josh says:

    .47 seconds. I’m just adding this to the library:
    Twin Peaks shooting: Twin Peaks restaurant chain revokes franchise for Waco location – TomoNews

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    • joshua says:

      This is a group of Indians who have created via purchasing hotels, restaurants, sports teams, bars, etc worldwide, since 1998…over a half a billion dollars in revenue businesses…who are the money investors for these guys…they are typical Indians who came to the USA, went to University of Texas and are buying everything in sight…something strange here.

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      • manickernel says:

        Yeah, the American Dream… now they need their own OMG… the Hindus. 🙂

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      • wrongonred says:

        Are you accusing them of being terrorists now, or into something elicit? The folks who move over here are not the “poor” Indians, they are all from families from the upper castes, who have been wealthy for decades, if not a millenia. They are typically quite wealthy, and most live quite frugally from my experience. One of my groomsman was Indian, and his family, between his father and Uncles owned just about every non-Drury Hotel and convenience store in most of my state. If you are going to impute some ulterior motive, or allude that their business affairs are not on the level, please provide some evidence. You are trying to push the same “Blame it on Twin Peaks” meme that Waco PD was pushing.

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  33. dkwtexas says:

    Eyewitness account
    amyirenewhite.wordpress.com

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    • Josh says:

      This is right in line with “Bowtie”.

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      • joshua says:

        have your READ her other stuff? not sure about this lady…she is no journalist…she has a dog in this fight, not objective…anti-police from the git go. and defending the Banditos and suggesting a CONSPIRACY between the Waco LEO and the Cossacks….give me a friggin break…this does not deserve repeating or referencing, IMO.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          yes

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        • Josh says:

          I liked reading her stuff.
          She does not claim to be a journalist.
          She has a dog in this fight, sure but many in the fight do.
          Not objective? Many aren’t.
          Anti-police from the git go? I don’t see it.
          Defending the Banditos? That’s her right. I may be there with her.
          Suggesting a CONSPIRACY between the Waco LEO and the Cossack? She’s not the only one.

          I’ll continue to read her stuff and will probably repeat and reference it so hold on to your hat.

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          • joshua says:

            I am not picking any fights. I report what I find, like you do…here is what Amy writes on her blog about being a “journalist” and where I got that:

            I have been advised by an attorney not to tell this story because I may be arrested. I will not reveal my sources no matter what. I tell no story until I have heard it three times. When this incident occurred, I came out of basically retirement to try to save innocent bikers… and I said that I would do anything within my means to help the Bandidos, the dominant club in my state. I cannot not tell this story. I cannot live knowing that innocent people are being blamed.

            I am their journalist..

            They depend on me to tell them the truth and I will not let them down. If I go to jail or get killed or anything else for this, so be it. I am willing to lay my life on the line to clear the name of one of the greatest clubs in motorcycle history. I am willing to do this for 177 innocent in jail and nine dead. I am willing to do this for my biker family and every patch in America, and to take down those murdering cops and the others responsible for this. before I write. May God have mercy on my soul. Amy Irene White

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        • michellc says:

          There is some salty language and she’s probably not someone I would approve of my son bringing home, however all bikers that I’ve been reading have a level of mistrust for many cops. If you dig a little deeper into their social media you discover that some cops have given them a reason to have mistrust.
          I know if I was traveling with a group of cars and one of them committed a traffic violation and all of us were ordered to pull over by more than a few cops and asked what our intentions were and where we were headed, if we had any weapons, etc., I’d be just a little uneasy as well.

          But then since they’re bikers and were talking about this stuff two or three years ago and some older bikers telling the younger bikers just to accept it and be polite as it’s been going on all their lives, they probably are just making it up.
          Before though anyone labels them as cop haters, they also have given shout outs to LE in certain cities for not harassing them and many of them were defending the same cops we all defended.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        Amy White is writing the account of 3 different people and her description is verbatim to Bowtie’s “direct” sources.

        I believe this to be true because all three told me the exact same story beyond confusion over whether there was seven or eight Bandidos or exact times.

        I’m trying to ignore my spidey senses tingling…… {sniff sniff}

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        • joshua says:

          me too..”bowtie” is too pat in his opinion and story….not all jibing. I especially wonder about the They always had their normal “political meetings” in Dallas or Austin…and wanted to help those that felt “left out” by having it more central…so the AUSTIN Twin Peaks got them in touch with the Waco Twin Peaks…..hmmm….Waco is Franchise…Austin is company owned restaurant…why send business away? Not likely for a store manager to give up revenue….then the story that a single Woman made the reservation…who was a regular or former customer of the Waco restaurant….Just not making sense if the deal was a Bandito hosted deal and the Cossacks were conspirators with the police…..and I read that the guy “Voodoo” has criminal records, not eligible for recruiting into police sting…maybe informant, but not an insider.

          Frankly….I call BS on Amy White AND Bowtie for right now….I do not trust the Waco Franchisee owners at all…they are now opening restaurants in United Arab Emirates and Middle East (where liquor are permitted)…..no way these Middle Eastern (Indian) owners of this rapidly expanding empire are going to tell the truth….any more than anyone else from that part of the world.

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          • Rojas says:

            Well, I keep hearing, folks are known by the company they keep.
            By they way you buddies on the Waco PD have swore up conspiracy charges on at least 10 different groups. If you can buy that I’m having a hard time understanding why Bowtie’s version seems less plausible.

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          • wrongonred says:

            Respectfully, your post is absurd. I do not know whether Bowtie’s assertions are accurate, but because one is a franchise and the other is a corporate store, they don’t work together? Let me suggest this scenario. Perhaps they met often at the Austin Twin Peaks. They call the Austin Restaurant up and say, “You guys always treat us well and run a great special, treat us right, give is a good deal, etc. and we noticed you have a location in Waco, and we are thinking about holding a meeting out there. Do you think we could do the same thing there?” You find such a scenario implausible? The 2 are almost 100 miles away from one another, so it is not like they are competitors. (or that someone booking an event would make the distinction between a corporate owned restaurant and a franchise operation) How is that “sending business away”?

            That said, I think you have some bias you need to work on. I hope you are not an officer, but I fear you are. To assist you in life, (and to prevent you from your mouth writing checks your body can’t cash). Indians are not “Middle Easterners,” nor are they “Arabs”. In fact, it seems they generally feel the same way you do, as they have had a long standing rivalry with Pakistan, which is much more “like” the Middle East, and has a majority Muslim population. Other than “brown skin” the Indian Subcontinent has nothing to do with the Middle East. Muslims are a very small minority. Most are Hindu, Jain, and Sikh.

            You are indicting individuals, assuming them to be dishonest without any evidence based entirely on your own prejudice and ignorance of geography.

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  34. Josh says:

    The biker gangs don’t realize that this type of event has woken a sleeping giant in Washington … ~ Fred Burton, VP of Intelligence, Stratfor

    “[Juan Garcia], an engineer with the City of Austin Public Works Department was arrested … in the … shootout at Waco’s Twin Peaks restaurant.”
    This news report gives the ADDRESSES of some of the bikers and visit their homes – ON CAMERA!
    https://www.you tube.com/watch?v=TqwV5Zwa320 (link broke)
    1:13 good shot

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  35. joshua says:

    Well, having been a constant follower and participant in the weeks and month of Courtland MS trying to determine who killed a young woman…and who we still do not know who or why she died…I think I know when to go lie in the weeds for awhile. I think I have read almost everything everywhere published about this, and I live in Dallas and know a lot about the restaurant investors and owners in this mess who are caught with a potential PR disaster they did not cause….so, it will eventually sort out….and although I think bikers may be fine I happen to be a car guy, so I am going to fade for awhile. Thanks and GL treepers.

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  36. Ziiggii says:

    A different Bowtie video posted on the 28th of May…

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  37. liberty2828 says:

    New interviews with released bikers. Waco police were “clueless”

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/nfl/biker-police-clueless-after-waco-shooting/vp-BBkDUv6

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    • pspsst says:

      Matthew Clendennen who is being interviewed is a Scimitar, an MC said to be associated with the Cossacks, and he appears to have registered at the booth, then freely and amiably attended the bikers’ update meeting.

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    • geoffb5 says:

      At 2:20 in the video above is confirmation of something that looked to be true in a picture in an earlier post. There were at least two SWAT team members using suppressed AR type weapons.

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