The Miami-Dade Issues With Trayvon Martin – Full Recap (Six Officer Sworn Affidavits)

After receiving hundreds of pages from the first round of FOIA requests from Miami-Dade, we have a better understanding of the issues which led to the suspension and later removal of Miami-Dade School Police Chief Hurley.   We also better understand why the historical activities of Trayvon Martin have been difficult to locate.

Miami Dade Schools Police Department

The first part of the publicly requested document release shows aspects surrounding an Internal Affairs investigation following the shooting of Trayvon Martin.    Within the investigation dozens of witnesses gave sworn statements to investigative officers.

Included in the witness affidavits were six officers accused of leaking information to the media, and their statements reveal a systemic attempt by Chief Hurley to cover-up the instructions by Hurley to his officers.

From their statements, made under oath, it is apparent that sometime around 2009/2010 the police chief gave instructions for his officers to find alternate methods outside of the criminal justice system to confront the behavioral issues of school students.

As officer Tagle affirms, and other witnesses corroborate, the instructions were specifically targeted to young black males within the Miami-Dade Public School system.  Targeted to keep their unlawful behavior away from engagement with the correction system and aimed to use school discipline instead of criminal corrections within the justice system.

In addition to avoiding writing criminal reports, the School Resource Officers were given instructions and approvals to avoidance at all costs.   As Officer Ramirez told Commander Deanna Fox-Williams, the police chief also gave instructions to falsely cite incidents in their record keeping.

The officers who followed the police chief directives were praised and rewarded.

In 2010 to further hide the new directives from public review, Hurley also instituted a new policy of locking down information so that it would not be shared with inquiring entities who would be reviewing the record keeping within the M-DSPD.    A new Standard Operating procedure (SOP) was instituted which stopped internal leadership from sharing offender files with other agencies.

Against the backdrop of the new school engagement guidelines, the changes in information sharing policy were meant as a buffer, and filter of sorts, to insure the manipulations within the new directives remained hidden.

However, the internal affairs investigation peeled back the curtain on the entire process.

Within the investigation we can see clearly that Trayvon Martin was engaging in behavior which would normally have led to criminal processing in the justice system.   However, because the unlawful activity was re-written and falsely recorded the correction was left to the High School of attendance instead of police and law enforcement.

This placed the school in a tenuous position of having to find strong corrective disciplinary actions which would hopefully not only punish Trayvon Martin, but also to change his behavior.    Subsequently this led to multi-week school suspensions.   Trayvon was shot and killed during one of these 10 day school suspensions.

In hindsight it is easy to see the issues and flaws in the M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley policy.

The school disciplinary policies were never meant to replace the correction for unlawful behaviors within the criminal justice system.  Indeed they were never created as such.

Not only is such an approach unfair to the school administration, but it’s simply not reasonable to expect a school behavior and disciplinary policy to replace the criminal justice system.    Unlawful behavior is just that, a violation of law – that is what the criminal justice system is established to enforce, the law.

It should not be the burden of school teachers to act as police officers in law enforcement, that is what the police are for.   Yet that is exactly what Chief Hurley was creating.  A student breaks the law, the police officer avoids law enforcement, and the school is burdened with discipline as a method to replace the criminal justice correction.

That is exactly what happened with Trayvon Martin.   Krop Senior High School was put in a position of trying to address his ever-increasing unlawful behaviors.

This approach ultimately led to one of the most ridiculous episodes as outlined in the sworn affidavits from the six officers, detectives and sergeants within the M-DSPD.

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Former M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley with his son and wife

Trayvon was writing graffiti on school property.  While in the process of writing FUCK YOU with permanent marker he was stopped.  A search of his backpack revealed women’s jewelry and a “burglary tool”, a screwdriver.

Miami-Dade Police School Resource Officer Darryl Dunn then had to figure out what to do;  Dunn knowing his police chief wanted young black males to remain out of the criminal justice system.

So Dunn decided to write-up the graffiti/jewelry incident as “criminal mischief”.

But how was he going to avoid a police report, that would be investigated, surrounding the stolen jewelry?    His solution was to avoid it, completely.

Dunn wrote up the jewelry angle as “found items” to take possession of them.   Described by Detective Tagle as if they were just found laying in a parking lot.

SRO Dunn wrote the report attributing Trayvon to the jewelry by report number only.   He then transferred the jewelry to the property room of the M-DSPD, but never wrote up a criminal report which would have led to an investigation.   So the “found jewelry” just sat in the property room gathering dust.

This approach seemed to fulfill the instructions from his boss the police chief, and it avoided an engagement with the criminal justice system for Trayvon Martin.

But, there’s one BIG problem;  Well, at least, it should be a problem.

You see, burglary and stealing is actually unlawful.

The owners of the jewelry have a right to get their property back.   There’s no way to follow the lawful process of investigation and property return without engaging in the criminal justice system.   Hence, the items were just shelved as “found property”…. as if they were discovered sitting beside the road.

This issue became the thread which risked unraveling the entire construct of the policy.  Hence, Chief Hurley was furious when ‘this issue’ reached the light of day.   Hurley knew the risk, because he constructed the scheme.   Hurley quickly understood the risk when he found out that Sanford Police were looking for information on Trayvon Martin.

….. and so as that little thread snagged, quickly the seam to the curtain was compromised, and eventually the entire curtain fell down.    Now you can all bear witness:

1.)  Affidavit of Sergeant William Tagle

2.)  Affidavit of Detective Steven Hadley

3.)  Affidavit of Commander Deanna Fox-Williams

4.)  Affidavit of Sergeant Lourdes Hodges

5.)  Affidavit of Detective Gylamar Ochoa

6.)  Affidavit of Sergeant Bradley Rosh 

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108 Responses to The Miami-Dade Issues With Trayvon Martin – Full Recap (Six Officer Sworn Affidavits)

  1. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Nice job, SunDance. YOUR efforts revealed how and why the Martin Family could deceitfully claim that Trayvon Martin had no “police” record. His “record” had been falsified to make it appear less than what is was: CRIMINAL activities that had been mislabeled.

    You also detailed how officials in that school system falsified records to their own, personal benefit, and to the detriment of the the ENTIRE school system, INCLUDING the students who were being shielded. This is travesty that should interest every parent who has students in that school system.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Here is the correct statement by a lawyer about TM’s violent habits.

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      • Rick Madigan says:

        What Uhrig said, that’s how I’d like the river to flow from the mouth of George’s current defense team.

        It should flow unhindered down a clear path of reason! What’s with all the hedging, and genuflecting, the acknowledging and stuttering, a year later?

        Those who understand the law and how justice works, know how to speak!

        Break the dam, RELEASE THE RIVER! Let the Scheme Team operation be undone:

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      • LOu says:

        man, I miss Uhrig! I always thought that if I were ever to be a lawyer I’d be just like him. attack, attack, attack!

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        • myopiafree says:

          The discoveries of cover-up – simply would have confirmed Uhrig’s statement of truth about Trayvon’s violent and criminal habits. But it is the facts alone that proven that George was violently attacked by Trayvon. Further, the fact of a dead-cell phone, and no proven connection to the “cell towers” – proven that DeeDee’s story was totally invented to win $2,000,000 from the HOA. Crump is a liar con-artist and a fraud.

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  2. Just one question: Why hasn’t Hurley been tarred and feathered yet?

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  3. auscitizenmom says:

    Wish the MSM would pick this up. I wonder how they can ignore it. Okay, stupid question on my part.

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  4. kinthenorthwest says:

    And Trayvon’s parents won how many millions for this!!!!
    Damn I guess I need to go back and re-raise my kids the right way so I can get rich????

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    • ed greene says:

      Great reporting.
      This week MOM should be some filing motions for april 30 hearing(probably Thursday or
      Friday) One motion will be to delay trial because prosecution hasnt answered crump deposition and it will take until after may 10 for court to make decision
      abouy crump depo so he is going to need more time.
      I think it is too early to show murder 2 affadavit is unreasonable because witness 8 many lies. Crump many lies about witness 8
      and sybrana and tracy lied about Trayvon screaming for financial benefits.
      What other filings can we looking for
      this week for April 30 hearing

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      • jello333 says:

        I agree that we’ll soon be seeing a motion for a continuance. I still think we could have a full-fledged Richardson hearing… which would almost certainly have a continuance issue included. But even if not, yeah…. there’ll be a request (more like a DEMAND this time) for a continuance. And since Nelson now knows the DCA is staring right at her, I think she’ll have a little different attitude this time.

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        • ed greene says:

          I think if Nelson doesnt grant continuance he will file with DCA next day.
          After Crump is deposed and Dee Dee again could be Tracy and Sybrana also he will file
          no probable cause for murder 2 affadavit because of lies from individuals for financial
          rewards.

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  5. Sal says:

    If the jewelry theft was never investigated by the police, how do they know it did not come from one of the thefts in the Retreat at Twin Lakes?

    Could Trayvon have been one the black teenagers that was responsible for the crime wave during the previous 12 months?

    It would explain why he was acting “suspicious” and also why he did not run home- he didn’t want to take the risk of Zimmerman seeing where he stayed and notifying the police, knowing that evidence of a previous theft was in Miami police custody.

    Sun dance, keep up the great work!

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    • eastern2western says:

      not very likely because trayvon’s original residence was very far away from the retreat. he was only there because of a suspension.

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      • yankeeintx says:

        Brandy stated that she and Tracey had been dating for 2 1/2 years, and that Trayvon had been there 6-7 times. He could have even been a go between, getting the stuff in Sanford, and bringing it to pawn in Miami.

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        • ftsk420 says:

          It’s possible he went to pawn shops and if he did they should be able to find out since you can’t pawn anything without id.

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      • Sal says:

        Eastern,

        Early reports of the shooting mentioned Sanford kids who said they had played football with Trayvon on earlier visits to Twin Lakes. Trayvon could have been the fence for stolen jewelry or taken it himself in one of the many Twin Lakes robberies. It is disgraceful that the police never investigated the jewelry found in Trayvon’s backpack but simply threw it on a shelf. If someone were to show that the jewelry did originate from Twin Lakes it would be very bad news for the prosecution.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Trayvon could have very well done some of the Sanford burglaries. I wonder if anyone from George’s neighborhood reported stolen jewelry. People would be upset over losing wedding rings and report that sort of thing.

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          • LittleLaughter says:

            I am wondering if any of the victims who reported having their homes broken into and jewelry stolen might be aware of this story. If they read about this “found property”, perhaps they have contacted the police dept to inquire about it. If it were my wedding bands that were stonlen, and I later read about this coverup, I’d be demanding to know if my rings were among that “found property”. I am sure there are many involved in the scheme team who would rather that info not come about, and are trying hard to prevent that from happening. Imagine if some of that found jewelry was positively identified as being the stolen items from a filed police report! OOOPS!

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            • justfactsplz says:

              Yes, oops! I hope the jewelry makes it back to the owner. There were diamond earrings among that found jewelry.

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              • dmoseylou says:

                BIG OOPS! IIRC, M-D Police did get photos of the items, but could not connect them to any of their reported burglaries. B/C it was stolen in Sanford? Or Orlando?
                If my child was sitting in a classroom with non-charged felons, I would be very upset and demanding answers from the school PD and the M-DPD….a little thing called SAFETY at school!

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  I wouldn’t blame other parents if they sued MDPD for putting their children in possible harms way. I also want to know what Sanford P.D. did with the information about TM.

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                • dmoseylou says:

                  The SPD info is w/ the elusive TOX report & autopsy photos, phones’ data, and jewelry in a locker somewhere in the dusty bowels of the MDSPD. 😀

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  Talk about chain of control. All of this evidence should have been turned over in discovery already and here it is hidden in a dungeon somewhere.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            Question this guy Emmanuel Burgess he was the one who was robbing people in RTL I believe he had jewelry on him too. Easy to find him cause he should still be locked up.

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    • nivico says:

      They should be looking at the burglaries & break-ins at the RTL ~and~ the adjacent neighborhoods… as apparently he was familiar with his way around them too according to the ‘Trevon’ letter from Dee Dee.

      They also need to consider that the items ‘found’ on Trevon (watch, earrings, wedding bands) are the types of items commonly associated with being taken from people during street robberies…

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      • LandauMurphyFan says:

        They also need to consider that the items ‘found’ on Trevon (watch, earrings, wedding bands) are the types of items commonly associated with being taken from people during street robberies…

        Excellent point, nivico.

        I did wonder about the wedding bands before since most people, if they wear them at all, wear them constantly, so it seemed a little odd to me that a house thief would have several of them in one stash of jewelry. I know a number of women who remove their engagement rings before doing yard work or housework, but I don’t know of any who remove their wedding rings at the same time. But of course if you’re held up in the street, a wedding ring is something the thief can demand. I doubt that street thieves are prone to honour any sentiment about the symbolic value of a wedding ring, or indeed the value of marriage itself. Certainly TM’s father had given him no particular reason to regard marriage as a sacrament. Heck, if your father expects you to go along with him while he cheats on his second wife, why would you consider marriage anything special or believe that a wedding ring was worth anything more than the value of the gold content?

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  6. nameofthepen says:

    Again, kudos to Sundance, his stellar mods and the valuable contributors here at CTH!!

    It doesn’t take much imagination to write a “What if” story, where Trayvon instead was handled in a fashion commensurate with his crimes and general behavior.

    I would bet anything that, in the alternate reality, Trayvon got his butt whupped by his uncle, got himself straightened out, and is alive today, probably getting his H.S. diploma. 😐

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    • libby says:

      And one day fulfilling his dream of becoming an astronaut (while sober). With his fame, he decided to speak out against the undergound use of dangerous drugs found in everyday items like cough syrup that almost found him lost as a teen (if not for the TIMELY intervention of his family and his community-the community resource officers in the school working with parents can be a very viable tool when used properly).

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      • nameofthepen says:

        Libby, I’ve already publicly confessed to being a “closet optimist”. So, I agree my statement is fatuous. Still…

        At the very least, in my alternate reality, he and George would never have met up that fateful night. 🙂

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  7. unitron says:

    “Trayvon was writing graffiti on school property. While in the process of writing FUCK YOU with permanent marker he was stopped. A search of his backpack revealed women’s jewelry and a “burglary tool”, a screwdriver.”

    I thought I read that he had been observed, on a video monitor, or a video recording, writing WTF on some surface which was part of the school, and that a next day search of his backpack for the marker turned up the screwdriver (wish they’d specified the exact size) and the “found property”.

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    • FrenchPug says:

      I also thought that.
      I’m still a little confused about how the jewlery came to be associated with martin. I guess it was coded back to martin, but who explained the whole story? The officer that wrote the original false report? Why tell the truth then? And why code it to martin? Was the officer unhappy about writing the false report so he left a way for it to be tied back to martin in anyone really looked?

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  8. janc1955 says:

    Sundance: thanks very much for the clear, concise summation of what you’ve uncovered so far. I pray your information is being waved in all the right faces and that the situation will be addressed and heads will roll. With all the games that were played at MDSPD, I’d like to know how the particulars of TM’s criminal behavior were transmitted to his parents, because they clearly were aware or they wouldn’t have moved (through Crump) to seal his records as step 1 in the scheme.

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  9. Sir Bangaz of Cracka was probably raised to not trust white police officers. How Ironic they are the ones who turned him into Saint Robitussen. I mean skittles. This is such a mess. What a great job by you, it’s such a disgrace that this story won’t get picked up.

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  10. Dr. Bogus Pachysandra says:

    Is there any way to get a picture of the stolen jewelry? Might be interesting to stop at the condos that were robbed, and see if anyone recognizes any of it.

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    • jello333 says:

      I’m thinking it was much more likely from Miami than Sanford. But either way, yeah, someone needs to publicize this. Because from what we’ve learned from these affidavits and stuff, it seems that there has been NO ATTEMPT to find the owners of the jewelry. If a picture could be gotten, it could be posted online (here?) and then spread the word far and wide… “If you had jewelry stolen in the Miami or Sanford area in [November 2011?] check out this picture!”

      (I don’t know the actual date, I’m just going from memory)

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      • libby says:

        Of course, if trayvon had connections to law enforcement (and he had more than one), he might have known of the MD-spd’s refusal to communicate with other law enforcement branches and decided the best way to cover their tracks was to do the break ins in sanford and places outside miami and then even if they got caught, they would be certain no checks on the stolen property would be made outside of miami……in other words, the policy incentivized the kids to steal from outside of miami since md-spd was now cooperatign only with miami pd whil refusing to cooperate with police agencies up and down the state (providing false info with fellow police agencies can be construed as being cooperative if you have the prog mindset-otherwise it is refusal to cooperate disguised as cooperation).
        .
        this is what MD-SPD did….they PRETENDED to cooperate with sanford PD when in reality, they lied like a rug (this must be breaking various laws-if only filing false police reports)

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        • FrenchPug says:

          Or he stole it from a family member and thought they wouldn’t notice or report it.

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          • libby says:

            The “IT” is really a “them”. ten pieces of stolen jewelry dont an “it” make, it refers to a single item…..the word them refers to more than one item (plural) and there were ten stolen items found not one….a small but important matter to not minimize (that is how this young man got into this much trouble cuz everyone kept making his troubles seem smaller than they were

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            • hooson1st says:

              that is a good point to emphasize

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            • LittleLaughter says:

              That would also indicate that multiple items could mean multiple victims. All of the jewelry could have come from one home, but there could have also been more than one home. If that is the case, there could be more than one person out there demanding to know if this found jewelry belongs to them. Just one person can connect the “found” jewelry to a reported B & E, and to me, that would be a very important connection. I WANT THAT TOO.

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  11. froggielegs says:

    If Hurley treated these crimes as criminal like he should have, Trayvon would not have been in Sanford that night and George would of never met him. So sad that an irresponsible Chief who wanted to cover up crimes of AA kids has caused 2 people to lose their lives. Trayvon’s death and George’s life which will never be the same again regardless of the outcome of this trial.

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  12. sundance says:

    The next batch of FOIA demands we have submitted will be a hard battle.

    Not because the information does not exist, it does, and it is evidenced within the first round, but because ALL of the interested parties know with specific certainty it will completely deconstruct the false narrative.

    In my humble opinion, it will also lead specifically and certainly to the dismissal of charges against George Zimmerman.

    There is NO WAY the prosecution will want to walk into court knowing the full weight of the TRUTH is now staring everyone right in the face.

    Against the back drop of known behavior, known conduct, known associations, and sworn testimony to that end – all of the evidence supported assertions made by George Zimmerman about their encounter will be fully weighted with uncompromising credibility.

    When the full story, the whole brutally honest full story is in the sunlight, nothing will be able to hide in the shadows; No matter the intensity of the avoidance attempt.

    A massive number of people will not accept it, but that matters not; For the truth holds no particular fondness for any ideology – it simply exists whether or not anyone chooses to accept it.

    The avoidance of TRUTH does not protect you from it.

    …. as MDSPD Hurley well found out.

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    • WeeWeed says:

      +100000000

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    • jello333 says:

      Was Dunn included in the new FOIA requests? (Of course if you’re not giving out specific details yet, just ignore my nosy question. 😉 )

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    • Sharon says:

      Wolverines
      Sunlight
      Truth

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Yes a thousand times! What a great job you all have done getting this information. My prayers will be with Sundance that he will be able to get what he is searching for to totally shine the light of the truth. Great job Wolverines!

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      • LOu says:

        yES, Sundance has been providing a lot of sunlight towards the truth. in the Jewish religion we call this a mitzvah.

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        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Lou,
          The “contrary” word is “Chutzpah” – that best describes Crump and team. Here is the definition:
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          In Hebrew, chutzpah is used indignantly, to describe someone who has overstepped the boundaries of accepted behavior.

          In traditional usage, the word expresses a strong sense of disgust, condemnation and outrage.

          Leo Rosten in The Joys of Yiddish defines chutzpah as “gall, brazen nerve, effrontery, incredible ‘guts,’ presumption plus arrogance such as no other word and no other language can do justice to.” In this sense, chutzpah expresses both strong disapproval and condemnation.

          In the same work, Rosten also defined the term as “that quality enshrined in a man who, having killed his mother and father, throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan.”

          This mercy appeal is the best allusion to the depth meaning of ‘chutzpah’, for which there is no single word or even phrase in English, nor any other language … as is noted.
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          So when Trayvon commits assault and battery on George, and then when George finally shoots Trayvon as he is beating Geroge’s head into a bloody pulp (attempted murder), Crump and Corey then accuse GEOGE of murder – when he was simply saving his life from this violent thug. That is indeed, “chutzpah”. There is no other word to describe what Scheme Crump is attempting to do.

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    • hooson1st says:

      I hope your humble opinion, as expressed here, is right on target.

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  13. Terry in GA says:

    If Hurley’s people had done their jobs properly, the “evidence” would have been photographed, then possibly matched to reports of stolen property by the proper owner. Where is the jewelry — and has it been returned to its rightful owner?

    This also gives me pause as to whether the bus driver may have reported to the school (Hurley’s people) rather than the police, which would be why nobody has seen the report of beating by Tryvon of the bus driver because the bus driver had caught him with the “X” and was going to report him and the drugs.

    Hurley gives even bad cops a bad name, much less the majority of good cops who deserve much more respect. Parents who don’t teach their children a respect for authority are hurting them more than the parents can comprehend.

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  15. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    I wonder how many people other than GZ have been assaulted, robbed and raped by students of the Miami-Dade county schools? How many of them might not have been victimized if the perps had been held accountable for less significant infractions? Howmany will file lawsuits against the school district for criminal negligence?

    I wonder if the Bus driver that TM assaulted has contacted GZ’s lawyers?

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    • froggielegs says:

      “I wonder how many people other than GZ have been assaulted, robbed and raped by students of the Miami-Dade county schools? How many of them might not have been victimized if the perps had been held accountable for less significant infractions? Howmany will file lawsuits against the school district for criminal negligence?”

      That’s exactly what I would like to know.

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      • Rick Madigan says:

        Also, Froggie, think about these students living freely in society, they will be neighbors, rent or buy homes next to decent folks, and kidnap, rape, assault, molest their neighbor’s children, they will acquire opportunities to work with governments and corporations, they will be co workers and employees who lie and steal, they will become supervisors who indulge in sexual harassment and intimidation and bullying of others, they will join the Armed Forces and secure top secret clearances too, and be privy to important information which they can easily barter.

        Without any failsafe in place, they will do all sorts of havoc on society, because they have learned to get away with doing wrong. It has not been brought to their mind that they have a responsibility to society and the civilization they are a part of, to function by the cooperative rules of law and justice. And as they grow older, they will learn to subtly deceive to ensure they do not get caught. Because they will continue to imagine that the big, bad, white man is out there to bring their arses to justice, because he is a racist, not understanding how the black man’s culture functions.

        This cheating by the Miami agencies has set the precedence for the lives of a whole generation of young men and women who are about to be loosed on our free thinking, trusting society.

        As Minpin said on DMan’s blog, Trayvon received so much justice that it killed him. That will be my argument to anyone wearing a Justice for Trayvon item, that if Trayvon had been held accountable for his actions, he would’ve known it was wrong to jump on an innocent citizen, and he would’ve gone straight home, and would be alive today. Justice for Trayvon is what killed Trayvon!

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    • libby says:

      Kit Durant’s mom might still be alive (but I am too racist to express care or concern about AA vctims)

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      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Libby,
        You are correct. Shielding, or “protecting” violent and criminal behavior of blacks (or any group), simply encourages the person who is doing it – to do MORE of it, because they learn there is not penalty for committing crimes. Had Trayvon been charged for the crimes he DID commit, he would have been removed from school – and perhaps would have gotten the help he needed. But because he could commit violence on anyone of his choice – he just kept doing it. It is time for the Miami “School Police” to go back to “standard practice” for offenders – to protect OTHER STUDENTS from this violent behavior.

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      • hexx says:

        I recall that Kit Durrant did time in a boot camp, it didn’t do much good

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        • Rick Madigan says:

          They should be sent to Africa for a real life experience, and see how things really are, and maybe they will come back grateful for civilization, with a lot less crying about how the white man’s society is racist toward them.

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        • libby says:

          Boot camp was an alternative to JAIL (maybe he needed actual jail time)

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          • Rick Madigan says:

            You may have something there. Perhaps sitting in jail quietly may be better for them to reflect, than the combative in your face shouting experience that boot camp holds.

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      • Rick Madigan says:

        I know you were being sarcastic, about what you said in brackets. But it kinda becomes like the word “nigger,” once we tout the word around, others will want to use it too.

        You are not a racist, Libby, and neither are any of us. I refuse to play by their words and allow them to define what those words mean. Its finished, and we should all act it and show it. Laugh sarcastically, and roll our eyes when anyone tries to use that word with us.

        As for Durant, there is one thing that he did that was more moral than Trayvon: He took his rage out on his own family. Good boy! Lets hope they all turn out like him.

        Don’t beat up on innocent citizens who did nothing to you, kill your own mother and father who forked you up in the first place. AA parenting is the worst, most unjust thing any child should have to experience.
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        • Rick Madigan says:

          I saw this black babysitter with a white child driving her around the grocery store yesterday, and she was saying such mean and negative things to the child. At one point she yelled out, saying, “EVERYONE LOOK, EVERYONE look at this baaaad girl, see how badly behaved she is!”

          Of course, everyone looked, and the girl looked scared and intimidated. The babysitter said, “See, they’re all looking at you now. They all see how bad you are.”

          It was heart wrenching, but what can one say. I have seen AA’s do this sort of thing to their own children and you really cannot do anything.

          So, I apologize if I sound somewhat inflexible on this, but their troubles begin at home. The messages they hear from their own parents.

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        • libby says:

          Words only have the power we give them (the pain they tend to cause is inside ourselves, not external to us like the source of those words). You may something that hurts me, but I determine how much hurt I will feel.
          .
          I am gonna paraphrase an old fable . Two monks are walking down a path (both have taken vows of celibacy and have sworn to not touch a woman) and as they meander through a pleasant valley, they come upon a large puddle with a woman who is having difficultty making her way down the path. The woman, asking for help to cross the sizable puddle is annoyed to find the first monk walked right past without offering assistance. The 2nd monk noticing her now increased distress, lifts her up briefly on his back and places her gently on the other side of the puddle (this fable is in no way intended to suggest that women need help crossing puddles, this could have easily been a fable about two lady monks helping an elder gentleman). The pair then continue to walk together in silence for some time with the first monk seeming to be rather flustered about what had happened.
          Finally, the first monk couldnt take it anymore and blurts out, “How could you? You were supposed to not touch a woman; it is part of your vows of chastity.” The 2nd monnk calmly replies, “Are you still carrying that woman on your back?” (what does this mean? you tell me……it is supposed to get us to think about the sources of our own emotional pain or grief…please, tell me what you think-I would like to know what you think about this as it relates to the topic at hand…..words causing us pain…..and how we chose to either let those words cause us pain or to ……..)
          .
          Oh, and if you havent done it yet, make sure you go watch a movie called Charlie Wilson’s War (freakin’ awesome movie). The best line in the movie is “What did the zen master say when?”……….”WE’LL SEE”……….”WE’LL SEE”…….”WE’LL SEE”……..”What did the zen master say when?”

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        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Admin –
          I certainly understand your point – and I will try to comply. But it is obvious that Crump’s, “chutzpah” is so bad – that it is very hard to NOT become sarcastic. In future posts, I will add, “Eye Roll” – to make my judgment clear about these issues. Thanks!

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          • Rick Madigan says:

            Hi Myopiafree, I had to look up “chutzpah.” Urban Dictionary: Chutzpah is unmitigated effrontery, impudence; gall or audacity.

            I loved the Yiddish speakers, they know how to put things. I think Crump’s a Schmuck!

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      • Rick Madigan says:

        That’s a great, Libby, I like what he says, “I put that woman down hours ago, but you’ve carried her these many miles.” The pain is over, but not for the mind that chooses to retain it.

        I used to love Eastern philosophy also, Libby, but I find that the wisdom contained in those stories can become a liability when dealing with real evil and real deceptions in our world. I responded to you on another thread, about the phrase, if the Zimmermans are good people, they will have no other troubles in life. Its not true, because there are many reasons why suffering can come upon the innocent. George is no virgin when it comes to being falsely persecuted. Its happened before, for the same reasons!

        I will have to watch Charlie Wilson’s War, it sounds intriguing.

        Although we may not feel the hurt in our words, the words themselves contribute to a juggernaut of thinking that whites can be made to feel pain, by this word. I say, lets do away with the word altogether. Pretend we have no idea what it implies:

        “Racist? What is that? Can you define that for me please! And is that a bad thing? And what specifically did I say or do that puts me in this category? And you want me to do something to correct this? Why?” That will change the power of the word!

        Why explain, I did not mean black people when I said “they.” Instead, “Really? You think “they” refers to black people? Who came up with that nonsense? Can you cite some sources, please?” And watch them fizzle out!

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        • libby says:

          Rick,
          btw, charlie wilson’s war was about how the US made the decision to fund and support with arms and technical assitance the Afghan freedom fighter’s taking on the mighty Soviet Union (starring tom hanks in one of his more brilliant roles and with julia roberts…..).
          .
          bad things do happen to good people, especially naive idealistic people ….I was raised to change the world, I grew to realize I could change myself most easily and my ability to change others is pretty limited. I can encourage others, but they must make their own decisions.
          .
          Now as for racist, and what that means, this is an interesting one….the current meme is that racism is so insidious that those who are racist dont even know they are racist (and if you dont know you are racist, how the heck would you change it)…….and yet the racism among aa community is so brutally obvious to anyone who takes off their blacks cant be racist glasses………imagine if there was a movie called “blacks cant read ” (now that would be racist, but a movie called white man cant jump, that would just be funny since black racism is handled with humor, not derision or scorn-it is time to address black racism with the scorn and derision it deserves and never give up on our fight agaisnt real racism, but a refusal to pretend the smallest tiniest of insults is equaivalent to a lynching or to pretend that a black lynch mob is encouragded but a white lynch is lied about and suggested ot be in plave when n fact it is the AA community that has lynchign on its mind, in its hearts and on its lips (with no apologies whatsoever)
          .
          the reality is that most every form of racism has already been addressed in law (an excellent thing the rest of the world has had to emulate thanks to US here in the US).

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  16. ejarra says:

    I posted this earlier on D-man’s blog:

    Anyone here find this as interesting as I did? http://cops.heraldtribune.com/Officer/Details/126286 “Failure to qualify with a firearm”

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    • ejarra says:

      Damn! I forgot the notify check mark!

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    • sundance says:

      Great catch – bookmarked and saved.

      That is un-friggin-believable. Blood boiling…..

      You know that was only to allow him full pay/pension/retirement benefits etc etc.

      now I REALLY can’t wait for the Internal Affairs recommendations and summary finding. You’ll note I specifically asked for the conclusive report following the investigation as well as the RECOMMENDATIONS presented to School Super Alberto Carvalho. We’ll see.

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  17. Sickof BIGbrother says:

    As usual, excellent work by the tree house. Solidifies GZ’s innocence even further and shines a great deal of light in some shady places. I have very much enjoyed reading over the last week or so. The only drawback I see is a possible “easy out” for all the schemers. Crump, SF, Tracy, etc. all play dumb and blame the school resource officers for covering up TM’s crimes and thus prevent them from knowing the truth about the young man. Corey the Hut and BDLR could then follow suit. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Crump in full lawsuit mode against the school district once this all comes out and charges are dropped against GZ. Gets Crump out of the deposition and gets him back on the trail of sniffing go away money. The school district and Hurley could be shaping up to be the perfect scape goats for the gigantic mess this whole case has turned into.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Brother,
      This is the major purpose of the TreeHouse and SunDance. Trayvon Martin was a violent, theif, and out-of-control drug-user. Both his parents choose to turn their face the “other way”. The real crime is by the Miami police – who HID these crimes from the general public. I know Hurley (sp) was the one who did it, but now we have innocent George on trial – when he committed no crime at all.
      ++++
      Brother >” Solidifies GZ’s innocence even further and shines a great deal of light in some shady places ”
      +++++
      I hope all this goes directly to O’mara, and then to Judge Nelson. I hope Bernie-Corey review this data – and make a statement about it. Trayvon’s violent behavior is explainable, and understandable – in terms of this “covered up” story of Trayvon’s “school history”. Trayvon violently smashed his fist into Geroge’s face (assault and battery), and then, when George staggered away in a daze, followed and jumped on top of him and started attempting to kill him (battery, and attempted murder). George had no choice, but to react with the means he had to save his life – and did so. This should go to Wolfinger and Gov. Scott – as well as to HONEST and un-biased newspapers.

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      • Sharon says:

        “This is the major purpose of the TreeHouse and SunDance.” I may be interpreting your statement too narrowly, but we have lots of new readers, and I want to clarify this: the Trayvon Martin case and the mess it has become is specifically not the “major purpose of the TreeHouse and Sun Dance.”

        The About Us tab will give the framework for the major purpose of the Treehouse. Trayvon Martin’s death and the subsequent railroading of George Zimmerman is one situation in which the purpose of the Treehouse is being implemented.

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        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Sharon,
          Thanks for the evaluation. I meant – “telling the truth” in a broad sense. It was more, *my* major purpose of reading the Zimmerman links you supplied. Yes, the George Zimmerman case is a small part of what the Conservative Tree House is all about..
          I stand corrected.
          Thanks!

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          • Sharon says:

            Yeah, I suspected I was maybe missing your exact take on it…but conversation is always good for clarification. New readers sometimes think the Treehouse was established in order to support George Zimmerman which it was not.

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  18. libby says:

    To this day, among the most offensive memes created for this narrative is the unstated notion that to want to be a police officer is somehow suspect in and of itself. What does this suggest about us as a society that so many of us (in positions of power and influence) are seemingly in favor of lawlessness?

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  19. libby says:

    “A new Standard Operating procedure (SOP) was instituted which stopped internal leadership from sharing offender files with other agencies.”
    .
    That this doesnt raise red flags with our lame stream media is wholly concerning. That police agencies now have gone and just refused to cooperate with fellow law enforcement agencies in terms of communicating threats posed by individuals known to a particular police department is very distressing to me.
    .
    Imagine if this policy had taken place in Boston rather than Miami (or that the recent terrorist bombing attack had occurred in Miami). Imagine if the student had been attenign a Miami area high school rather than college or university and imagine that educational institution refusing to share information that might lead to the armed and dangerous suspects.
    .
    The refusal of law enforcement to unilaterally decide they just werent going to share the information they report on crimes commited in their jurisdiction to fellow poilce agencies is so alarmign, it is only exceeded by the media’s abject refusal to find this of sufficient concern that they would inform the public of this alarming situation.
    .
    This is bigger that Trayvon Martin and the African American community. This policy to help only certain ethnicities has/had the potntial to negatively affect many people from all ethnic groups.

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    • libby says:

      “Dunn wrote up the jewelry angle as “found items” to take possession of them. Described by Detective Tagle as if they were just found laying in a parking lot.”
      .
      Imagine if one of these kids had robbed a bank of a million dollars and was found in a back room of the school counting the money. What would Hurley’s underlings have done in that case? Just written the money down as “found” property and not returned the money to the bank it was stolen from?
      .
      As noted by Sundance (nice job, btw), “The owners of the jewelry have a right to get their property back.”
      .
      Yeah, we now know that the rights of black folks exceeds the rights of all others of all ethnicities (you can tell by the media’s refusal to pick up this story and run with it-seems bigger than Watergate to me-but maybe that is why the media has ot work so hard to ignore and obfuscate).
      .
      Maybe next time there is an individual from among the various ethnic minorities running for high political office we can all vote for him based upon his policies not his skin color.

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    • sundance says:

      Very well said Libby. You frame the unintended consequences very well. Against recent events this part rings sharply:

      …..” Imagine if this policy had taken place in Boston rather than Miami (or that the recent terrorist bombing attack had occurred in Miami). Imagine if the student had been attenign a Miami area high school rather than college or university and imagine that educational institution refusing to share information that might lead to the armed and dangerous suspects.”….

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      • libby says:

        Yeah, well without the treehouse, I would be just another clown in the woods with a few theories I cant string together into a meaningful sentence

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  20. LOu says:

    I wonder if there is any way that the Orlando Sentinel can get this info. I still haven’t seen where the “F— You” report, but that specific part should be reported to the Orlando Sentinel. I think they won some type of award for reporting on the Trayvon Martin case.

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  21. smokeNmirrors says:

    Still want to keep referring to the CTH in your case Bernie?

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  22. kent says:

    In my opinion I think this kid is guilty and the neighbor watch guy had every right to defend himself. Im just pissed everytime a black kid gets hurt it becones racial issue when infact stats and my own experience showed black kids are more violent than any other. They are too influenced by the rap games. Im not racist, I think at some point trevon might have show a weapon that lead to the use of a gun by the other person.

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